Village Aesthetics
We have been asked to start a dialog regarding the aesthetics of the Village:
Monday, February 19, 2007 4:31 PM
Suzi wrote:
I would like to start a thread about the appearance of the village. I see in the first few days of the blog, a few people talked about it. I think it is am important issue and I think the public discussing it in an open forum might help those on the "beautification committee" appointed by the Mayor.
I do not know how to start a new thread, perhaps the admin can start it??? Or just put this entry in a new heading??? Thanks!
I also think that this is an important issue but would like to remind everyone to keep it constructive.
There are a number of areas that are in obvious need of improvement: Poseidon’s Cove and the old Pig & Whistle come to mind immediately. In this particular case we must be careful. Property owners will often leave their property in atrocious condition hoping that community outrage will pressure the municipality to allow development that is not appropriate for the area. I’m sure that the owners would like nothing better than to have the zoning changed to enable them to build high-density residential housing such as apartments or condos.
There are countless other issues, from planning the direction that we would like to see Bayville head over a period of years, to maintenance issues that should be addressed immediately. But for right now, I’m just going to open it up for general discussion.
Please keep it constructive and keep the nonsense to a minimum.
Barry E. Lamb
Bayville






YELLOW BUSES AND AESTHETICS
Hendrickson Bus Company has grown from a Mom and Pop operation (less than 5 buses operating on Perry Ave.)to the 6th or 7th largest carrier in NY State and the largest privately owned carrier on LI. There are over 100 buses operating out of this yard. The fumes and noise are unbearable.
The NY Attorney General's Office was the only governmental agency I could get to investigate the excess idling and fumes back in 2004.It took years of complaints to get them out for a field visit. They visited the yard on two occasions that I am aware of and Hendrickson paid a $10,000 fine to avoid further action and admitted no guilt. The papers on this settlement are easily available via a "Google" of Hendrickson Bus.
The VOB refuses to enforce the Village Noise Code and has turned a blind eye to reasonable Zoning.Hendrickson now operates buses under at least three different firm names from this yard, no separate permit has been issued to operate these entities out of our tiny village.
The growth of this yard to its present size within a residential area without reasonable zoning restrictions is unconscionable
The 100 plus buses, operating out of our village, make over 400 trips in and out of here daily. The math for those of us math challenged is as follows. Each bus makes 2 trips daily (AM and PM) and most return between each trip. Thus 4 x 100 = 400 bus trips out of a one lane driveway daily. The commercial traffic in this town, on a school day, is probably 75% yellow buses.No public official I contacted back when all the the lane changes were being considered even wanted to acknowledge this fact, let alone address it.
Also keep in mind these buses service several districts from this yard; not just LVSD which has only about 2200 kids. There also have been two fatal traffic accidents that I am aware involving Hendrickson drivers either working or on their way to work in the past few years in or near our village( Both on Bayville Rd., one near Mountain Ave and one near the traffic light in Lattingtown)
How the Fire Marshall allows such overcrowding of buses and only one means of exit via a single driveway is incredulous. They also store thousands of gallons of fuel and operate a mini gas station for their fleet.
Just a side note on the fuel pump operation. The storage and pumps were installed about 25yrs ago. No permits were obtained from anyone. An inspector from the County just happened to notice them one day. The bus company was sent a few letters and paid about a $1000 fine and the pumps were OK'd for continued operation.
Seems this company operates with a complete "Teflon coating" with most oversight agencies and out and out blanket immunity from any Village of Bayville Code enforcement.
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Bayville has the unique character that needs to be preserved. The "Stands" as we used to refer to them should only be commercial. Putting office space at Poiseden Cove etc would just ruin Bayville as a Shore town.
You need a master plan for the Village with zoning overlay districts and vision for growth and thereby guiding the RIGHT type of growth rather than being reactive.
What is going on with buildings at the Beach being torn down? What does TOB plan do there now?
With Steve Pier out of business, that area is really run down and in need of rehabilitation.
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I agree with both Bill and Dan.
There currently is a committee for "beautification" headed by the Mayor and it has appointed positions.
I think with Spring coming and the advent of the BAyville Amusements coming to BAyville this SUmmer, it is a perfect time for the local government to jump on board with the progress of the businesses and make a difference in the appearance of the Village.
Dan:
The Hendrickson issue is a very interesting one. How long have you been involved with working for a resolution?
TOB better be doing something this Summer, it will be going on a year since they started the project. TOB also should maintain the playground there. There are broken lights and benches. Swings that need maintainance etc. VOB is not responsible for this but TOB is. Why is it that all other TOB parks and beaches have been recieving facelifts except ours???? I am curious to see what gets done this Spring and SUmmer in regards to that.
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Since 1986...yes over 20yrs.
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It is disturbing to see the condition of the TOB at that end of town. The Village needs to get TOB to fix that place up.
Bayville could be a crown jewel beach community. We have an Incorporated Village and can really make the right long range planning to ensure the Village remains the unique place it is today. We need a vision, and that comes with a broad descriptive master plan.
I grew up in Bayville, work in local governemtn in PA and I am moving back to Bayville soon.
If we sit down and really think about the future vision of what the Village should look like, we can make a difference NOW, rather than when it is too late and we have Dr Offices next to Ralphs!
What is happening with Steve's Pier?
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Does anybody else think that the street lights on Mountain Ave and Perry Ave are unnecessary energy wasters?
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The one thing that annoys me about the Hendrickson bus company is the fact that they allow their employees to take up all the parking spaces in the IGA parking lot. Trying to get a space there in the middle of the day is nearly impossible.
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Curious: I agree. It appears that some days are worse than others. I have seen them parking down the road and being transported up to the Hendrickson lot.
After reading Dans entry , I was shocked to learn how big Hendrickson has grown under everyones noses.
Seth: Which lights are you talking about?
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The stands/ stores in Bayville
The problem with our beaches/ storefronts is nothing unique to Bayville.
It’s really quite scary when you think about it.
Why is there no one on the beaches any more? Who has the time? The squashing of the middle class has most moms working all day. Don’t even start to think about holes in the ozone layer and skin cancer. Why go to the beach when you can stay at home in air conditioning and play a video game about surfing. (Wow I’m starting to sound bitter)
Why do the restaurants/bars do so poorly? You have to drive to Bayville. For better or worse. Things like razing the drinking age to 21 (Kids are more likely do drive). And tougher DWI laws really are a deterrent to making the trip.
So how do you fix that Offer a limo or bus service from the locust valley train station? But then you are opening a big door.
Another thing that would make the stands boom would be a dock/board walk on the sound allowing boaters to accesses the stands.
There use to be a town boat ramp at the beach. That would bring a lot of fisherman back to Bayville (good for dellys ect.) maybe we would get a store like norms back.
Why are some of the storefront’s rents so high? I forgot what they wanted for the old hardware store but I remember it to be stupid high. Can we do anything to reduce rent prices? I know a lot of people who would love to open a store in Bayville But with crazy high rent and almost no traffic who would be dumb enough to open a store here.
How about this. Take the beach across from the stands and make it a board walk with a dock and a bunch of little trinket stores (With cheep rent). Add a boat ramp. Fishing dock. Jet ski rental’s parasailing, boat rentals, sail boat rides, any thing that A person who wants to get away from life would like.
Now I have to ask one more question
Do we really want a lot of people coming to visit our quit little town? Will we be destroying our “Way of life”
Should the approach be different like Buy posidens cove. Tear it down put up a tall fence and make it a low cost marine for resident, keeping boats out of our yards? (Personally I like keeping my boat in my yard but you get the idea)
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Bayville Engineer -
"Another thing that would make the stands boom would be a dock/board walk on the sound allowing boaters to accesses the stands."
Yeah, a great idea BUT........if Billy Joel couldn't get a dock, you can bet no one else will either, courtesy of the EPA/DEC etc.
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Bayville Engineer:
You wrote....
"DO we really wnat a lot of people coming to visit our quiet little town?"
Have you not driven past the Amusement park? Where you not around for the Halloween scream park that Bay Park residents heard loud and clear each night? How about the parking down Bayville Park Blvd. by patrons of the scream park.
I think that comment and worry of yours is already signed, sealed and will be delivered this Summer with the opening of the Bayville Amusements.
The scream park advertised as far and wide as Brooklyn, NYC, the Hamptons and on the L.I.E. entrance ramp to the city. I think more than a few people will be coming to disrupt our quiet village.
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Look the amusement park is the best think that has happened to this town in a long time remember back in the old days when Bayville had like 15-20 bars and people would come from all around just to spend the day in Bayville, remember when the stands were still the stands,(pig&whistle ralphs, the cabana, sand city,) I miss the days when Bayville was a place that a person would want to open a business in and I think that this amusement park is the first step to putting Bayville back on the map, lets make this town fun again this is not the Hamptons and no matter what Vicky says it will never be, its just Bayville lets just enjoy the fact that at the end of the day we all get to stay here when all the crowds(maybe) go home this summer. This guy is taking a chance on a town that is way past its prime(yea we are in sad shape) and trying to make a go of it and I think that we should all be greatful rather than criticize the poor guy. On a last note there is a rumor he bought the Tides Motel, now let me ask you would you rather have a fun money making place that you can take your kids to in your town or a motel that you can rent by the hour!
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Regular Village Meeting Tonight
7:30 @ Village Hall
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I was responding to the person who was concerned about "letting people into bayville". I was merely pointing out it is too late to worry about that. The amusement park is going to be beautiful, a little big for Bayville, in my opinion. I agree it is the saving grace down there, and sometimes you have to take growth to make a difference economically.
As a resident of BPB, I am VERY concerned with the proximity and crowds. This past Fall was very difficult with the parking and noise etc. One cannot deny that. I know it was brought to the Village's attention by my nieghbor and then security guards were put at the entrance of our area.
I agree it is not a Hamptons, since this guy is taking a chance on Bayville it is a perfect time for Bayville leaders and beautification committee to be proactive and make some changes in its appearance so when we drive through town we can appreciate the beauty ourselves. ( I know it is already naturally beautiful but it can be a little more well kept looking.)
I heard he bought the Tides but it will remain a hotel, just renovated. The Tides is LV land.
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"The amusement park is going to be beautiful, a..."
Not sure what you consider beautiful, I certainly do NOT consider a 10 foot tall SKULL beautiful.
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I do not know if my last entry went through, so this may be a duplicate.
I think the area in general, the Shipwreck Tavern,the little walk way entry, the soon to be Ice Cream & Soda Fountain shop are very pleasing. If you have a problem with the skull and pirate theme, there was plenty of opportunity for you to voice your opinion to the Village. This project was two to three years in the making with sketches and plans laid before the board.
I think the theme, the pirates is fine. Would I put a skull in front and center no but it is what it is.
The rest of the park and out buildings have thus far has been well done.
One more thought, Bayville did not really feel the impact of the traffic the Scream park brought in. If you remember the bridge was closed through most of the scream parks duration. How is Bayville Ave. going to sustain the added traffic? It should be interesting to see.
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"If you have a problem with the skull and pirate theme, there was plenty of opportunity for you to voice your opinion to the Village. "
Not sure what you mean by this, this has nothing to do with the board or its decision, its just that a 10' skull is esentially a billboard and is out of character in a village which requires signs for MOST of its business to be Blue or Burgundy and in a Nautical or Victorian type theme. A pirate does not shoreside nautical make. The Bayville historical story on the menu and on the website is a detriment to Bayville and those who have chosen this as there home. A theme story making up Bayville's history is inappropriate, a lie and should not be used to publicize this venue and Bayville. I agree the area is cleaned up and looks much better, I just think they could have done this with a bit more taste.
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Point taken.
What I meant was that they brought these plans to the board over and over and they were approved by the Village. If people were there opposing certain aspects of the projects perhaps some parts of the park could have been modified.
You brought up a good point about the signage in the village.
I have noticed three newer establishments have hung neon signs in there storefronts, in addition to their storefront sign. These are neither nautical nor allowed.
The newest store above the pet hospital had a sign-a-tron for a few days, now it is gone thank goodness!
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yet another resident,
you say that the village code requires most of it's signage to be blue or burgundy. i think you must be wrong b/c the village's own wooden signs and kiosks are hunter green! wouldn't the villages own signage have to adhere to code????
I think blue is the appropriate color, personally. not the neon blue that those ugly benches in the village square used to be, but navy blue.
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I could be wrong about the colors, that's what a few different store owners tolds me. Frankly, I'm not sure there is a written standard for this and it's just that certain businesses are told one thing and others are told another thing. Again...not sure of this. Good point about the Villages signs...
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Regardless if there are sign requirements, the signs in Bayville seem to be all over the map. The new signs on the oak neck deli are nice nad others should be modeled after them.
How about some tulips in spring int he center of town. Not to expensive nad they come back year after year and multiply!!!
The village center is so drab looking in the spring, other places have beautiful spring flowers in bloom. Maybe it is too late for this year, but something the Village should consider for fall planting...bulbs are cheaper than the actual tulip plant.
Maybe the Village could put it out there as a donation/adopt a spot. Purchase the tulips for this year?
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Suzi-
I'll plant some tulips in my Adopt-A-Spot if that will cheer you up!
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Just to clear up a few things:
-The Bayville Aventure Park has had some advertisements on Coke cans. The advertising for this thing is huge.
-Contrary to popular belief, the Tides does not rent rooms by the hour.
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Just to clear up a few things. What do you mean?
The Bayville Scream Park advertised:
On soda cans as far out as the Hamptons, NYC and through out nassau and Suffolk county in designated areas.
Full page ads in many penny savers. Some ads were pull out.
Full page flyers sent direct mail in Nas. & Suf.
Full page ads in Newsday
Full color posters in surronding areas , delis, local businesses etc.
Billboard as you are entering the Mid town tunnel.
Don't know exactly what you are clearing up, or implying. But if you are implying the advertisement was minimal, it was nothing short of minimal. It was full blown satuaration. To assume the owners would do nothing short of spend their money on a well orchestrated ad campaign would be foolish. They have a lot of money at stake and want to see it work.
My concern is that the Bayville officials will not be proactive and take this changein our little Village as a time to re-evaluate their beautification and perhaps some chamber of commerce. Saturation is what we will get this Summer, wouldn't it be prudent to take advantage of a rebuiding of an economica area, especaiily when the rehabilitation is by others not the Bayville tax payers)?
As I state earlier, consideration needs to be given to those who live nearby and will be adversely affected.
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Oh, one more thing. Tides rents to section 8 housing, and it is in L.V., Bayville has no jurisdiction.
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Bayvillian:
My post was not sarcastic. I merely meant to expand on what was said already as I never thought our little town would be on something so commercial and widespread as a Coke can.
In any event, I am for the increased commerce and to get Bayville's public image back into the positive (remember the Eyewitness News report on our Halloween curfew?). I am still undecided however on how I feel about the consequences of this such as increase in congestion. There is something nice about being a quite little town.
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I was a long time Bayville resident and have recently moved to another small town in America. It seems to be maintained beautifully during all seasons. The Christmas decorations are amazing. Flowers during spring and summer all throughout the town.
One thing I've observed is there is ALOT of volunteering going on here! People form many groups firemen,PTA, societies, clubs etc. and really pull together to raise funds and then put in alot of time and sweat to achieve all of this. Bayville residents certainly have the passion and potential to make Bayville improve an already beautiful place to live!
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Dear fellow Bayville residents;
Many of you here on the "blog" and in and around town have voiced opinions for years about how there are so many vacant stores. Also about the lack of beautifully appearing buildings and land areas.
I agree with you and have voiced those opinions myself.
Here is the rub;
I would open up a store myself if there was something that could feasibly make money!
Being a town that has no "through" traffic, nor workforce per se; it is unlikely to make a living, let alone support a business viably!
Any suggestions on what this town NEEDS that can also make money?
Let me know and I would consider doing it and at the same time - offer something of value to our residents.
I have owned several business in the past, and would love to have one here in my hometown.
But I cannot even begin to think of one that would be profitable.
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Hi Pete,
I can think of two businesses that I know I would personally frequent on a regular basis if they were available:
1. Car Wash - going to Glen Cove or Syosset is a pain, especially if you want to spiff up the car before running out to an event.
2. General Five & Dime type store - obviously, nothing costs a dime anymore, but I was always fond of the old Woolworths in Glen Cove and Buckinghams in Oyster Bay before it was sold to the new owners. There is no place in Bayville to buy a shower curtain liner, a tablecloth, a bathmat, pajamas, goldfish or housewares.
Will either of these businesses make you a millionaire? Probably not, but I do think they would fill a need.
-Lisa
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I would like to see General Five & Dime type store
Id open one my self But I drought it would make it in Bayville.
For me to be able to go to such a store it would have to be open till 10pm and on weekends.
Can you have a store open at 10pm in Bayville?
Have you research Pet daycare?
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First-Starbucks Starbucks Starbucks. That is my caffeine dream in Bayville.
In terms of beautification, though, I'd like to see either an official beautification committee- which I'd volunteer for, or unofficial as long as it was okayed.Not just for plantings and decorations- but to be willing to sweep the sidewalks, and give the storeowners incentive to keep the outside property clean. I'd like to see plantings that are a little thought out throughout the village, even tho' I am grateful to the volunteers who "adopt-a-spot."
And Bayville Avenue at the stands is looking better, except for what's already been mentioned, but just east of there is always a bit of a mess. A group of volunteers could make it clean and attractive, and make people think twice before throwing garbage on the sidewalk.
Also- I'd like to see the "holiday tree" look like it was decorated in this decade, maybe some new lights; and I am saddened and a bit offended that Bayville has no menorah. Everywhere else does.
We need a concentrated effort to address these thing from volunteers willing to put their heads together. What do you think?
oh- and once again-STARBUCKS!!
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Stephanie,
After the election in June, an official Beautification Committee was started. I'd imagine a call to Village Hall would steer you in the right direction.
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Hi Lisa and others who have responded.
Regarding a "5 and Dime" with shower curtains, little things, etc - that is what Bayville Hardware was and they went out of business!
There is not enough traffic to support a store like that here. They had LOW overhead after being here for 30 years or so and still couldnt make it any longer.
With the proliferation of Lowes and Home Depot the little hardware store is done - unless you have mega traffic to support it.
Coffee place?
Same.
Where is the office workforce and other traffic going to come from to support a multi hundred thousand dollar start up and all the overhead?
There is no through traffic like on Jericho or Hempstead Tpks - NOBODY PASSES BY HERE!
Other ideas out there?
I'm all ears.
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Just so you know, Hendrickson OWNS the IGA lot. Didn't you ever wonder why none of the stores in there complain. Hendrickson can do as they wish in regards to the IGA lot.
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If Hendrickson allows their employees to park in IGA all day, there will be no place for patrons of the store to park. Hence, the patrons will go elsewhere.
So even if Hendrickson owns it they can do whatever they want, but they don't and probably won't b/c they have a fully rented and operational "strip mall"/ to risk losing renters in this town would be a foolish business move.
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Re: Idea for a business.
I've always thought that a medium sized pool hall would be a great replacement for what was Lucca & Maxies or Poseidon's Cove. Though some bars in the area have a table or two the nearest halls are actually quite a drive away. Especially if the Adventure Park brings people back to the area, a mid-class billiards could have some staying power.
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The italian ice store on the east end of town did awesome during the warm months. How about if after the season ended they rented shelves for people to sell their hand made items? It would help them and local residents. What about a bagel store or a bakery or a kid friendly restaurant?? I think anyone who opens a business here should try to cater to the people who live here. Lets face it, from September to June WE are their business! The market in town was great, too. Way too highly priced but for those of us who live on this end (and in Centre Island) it is often worth the extra $$ to save a trip to IGA.
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Does anyone know anything about the fate of Steves Pier? It closed back in the fall with grand plans of renovating, but there's been no activity at all. It would be such a shame to lose a Bayville institution like that.
not to mention add another empty rotting out building to the Stands area.
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Is it just me or has work on the scream park come to a complete halt? I haven't seen a soul there doing a thing this week at all.
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Hello again readers,
Regarding my post over a month ago; I still have not seen anyone come up with a profitable idea for a business here in town.
The closest thing to a workable idea is the poolhall which is a concept I toyed around with when some of the bigger stores became vacant a year or two ago.
Problem with that is again - profitability.
The HIGH rents on those larger storefronts would not be supported by several dozen games of pool played at night. Turning it into a bar is not the answer either - this town has plenty of bars that open and then close. Plus, who wants another bar.
Keep those ideas coming!
If one hits - maybe we'll see it develop into something!
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How about a child daycare center?
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Can anybody shed some light on what is happening with Steves Pier? The roof appears to be caving in and all a kid has to do is slip through the fence at the end of the Ransom park and they're in the war zone. I certainly wouldn't want to hear about some kind accident or injury related to this negligence. It should be quarantined or ripped down for safety . Anything
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The Bayville Newsletter sent out by the Village states that Steve's Pier will be re-opening. Try calling Village Hall, they may have further information.
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Here's an article from Long Island Business News from Sept 14th that features Steve's Pier 1 - http://www.libn.com/article.htm?articleID=39955
Here is the article from LIBN
Empty Promises
By David Winzelberg
Friday, September 14, 2007 - Long Island Business News
Businesses come and go, but the buildings they occupy remain, even when their tenants are swallowed by the mists of history.
Languishing amidst the commercial landscape, these abandoned monuments to failure can take years to attract new life, even though the properties would seem to be in prime locations. Once-popular spots creak and moan in the winds of neglect, blight otherwise busy or pristine landscapes, detract from communities across the Island.
A closer look at some of these infamous sites reveals why they’re still dark – and if they’ll ever come alive again.
Abandoned ship
Once a thriving, $3 million-a-year waterfront restaurant, Steve’s Pier 1 in Bayville boiled its last lobster in 2006. The ship-themed structure on Bayville Avenue, the village’s main street, has been dormant ever since.
The future of the seaside eatery is one of the hottest topics on Bayville blogs. Rumors run rampant. One scenario has the owners of the village’s newest amusement park turning Steve’s Pier 1 into an amusement annex, complete with giant water slide; another has the owners of a nearby restaurant moving in.
The real story, according to Bayville Mayor Victoria Siegel, is that the owner of Steve’s Pier 1, Joseph Genova, wanted to reopen the restaurant but couldn’t because of taxes he owed on the property. Siegel said Genova appeared at Village Hall recently to report that all back taxes had been paid, and to announce a “new corporate structure” called Pier 1 on the Sound LLC. Siegel said Genova expressed intentions to renovate and reopen the restaurant soon.
Genova said his plan is to renovate the restaurant “inside and out” and turn it into an upscale catering hall. He’s currently seeking investors to join him in the venture.
“It’s a specific type of investor I’m looking for,” Genova said. “My return doesn’t come back in 30 days. My return comes back in 24 months.”
As for Steve’s Pier 1’s demise, Genova blamed the economy. “Gas prices and other costs became enormous,” the restaurateur said, adding he used to pay about $2.50 per pound for lobster, the meal of choice for about 80 percent of his customers. “But now the boats have to pay more for gas, and add trucking the lobsters from Maine and Nova Scotia,” due to the scarcity of lobsters in local waters.
“I understand why the average cost went to $7 or $7.50 (per pound),” Genova said. “That makes the average lobster about $80. It’s hard to fill up a restaurant at that price.”
Moo-ving on
Considering the crapshoot that is the restaurant business, it’s no surprise that most of the abandoned properties on Long Island were once places to eat. Boarded up for many years, the Cow Harbor Inn in Northport is another dark spot – and a center of controversy among locals.
The once-bustling, New England-style eatery with the not-too-continental cuisine is now an overgrown Main Street garden of wooden signs trumpeting carnivals and garage sales. In the 1970s, the place was a Polynesian showplace called Bali Hai, complete with bamboo mugs and native dancers; the Cow Harbor Inn took over in the 80s and prospered – until competition from newer restaurants became insurmountable.
Instead of another restaurant incarnation, Commerce Bank has targeted the location for a local branch, one of several former restaurant sites Commerce is banking on. The Village of Northport has approved the architectural design for the bank branch and has granted the necessary variances; only the site plan is left to be approved.
That might be easier said than done. The original Cow Harbor Inn building includes a two-story house built around 1790, according to information from the Northport Historical Society, and some residents have expressed opposition to tearing it down.
“It’s at the intersection of five streets and is one of the entrances into the village, which is why the Village of Northport has been so protective of it,” said Garrett Gray, an attorney with Melville’s Weber Law Group, which represents Commerce. “Now it’s just dangerous. We’re going to turn it into a beautiful building.”
Mitch Pally, also an attorney with the Weber Law Group, said Commerce doesn’t necessarily look for abandoned properties, but if the location meets its branch criteria, it will go after a dark site.
Rocky roads
That’s what Commerce did on Route 25A in Rocky Point, where the bank is planning a branch inside a former Friendly’s restaurant shuttered seven years ago – one of 13 Long Island restaurants the chain closed in 2000.
Brookhaven Planning Commissioner David Woods said his department is in the middle of preparing a community visioning for the Rocky Point business district, and that identifying these types of properties is part of the process.
“This is one of the first steps of doing a downtown study,” Woods said. “You look at the existing conditions and what is abandoned and look at the opportunities that you have for redevelopment. You want to focus your development into your downtown hamlet centers.”
Abandoned properties aren’t always downtown, however. West of Rocky Point’s abandoned Friendly’s, also on Route 25A but out of the downtown area, is a Burger King that’s been cooked since 2003, when local franchisees pulled out. The overgrown, graffiti-covered eyesore has been targeted by Brookhaven for redevelopment, and is currently the subject of condemnation proceedings, according to court papers.
The property’s owner, Peter Petrakis of Glen Head, could not be reached for comment.
No rush
Experts cite several reasons why properties are abandoned, and right at the top is restrictive zoning. Genova could probably turn a sweet profit by turning his empty restaurant into waterfront condos, but the property is zoned for restaurant use only – and Bayville has expressed a desire to keep it that way.
When a prospective developer needs some kind of zoning change, the process slows to a crawl – especially on Long Island, according to Chris Damianos of the Smithtown-based Damianos Realty Group.
“It takes too long to get anything done here,” Damianos said. “The arduous process of getting approvals is one of the reasons that these properties sit for so long.”
Real estate brokers, of course, cite poor marketing as the biggest reason for inaction on certain properties. David Pennetta, vice president of commercial real estate firm Oxford & Simpson in Jericho, said many of these landlords try to sell their properties themselves, and “it really limits them.”
And sometimes, property owners are simply able to sit on their holdings, despite sizeable real estate taxes and other carrying charges. Property taxes for the Cow Harbor Inn, for instance, run about $16,500 annually.
“A landlord has to decide when it is right to sell,” Pally said. “It’s the same with people who own homes. They’re holding back because they believe the economy will come back to some degree and that the property will be worth more.”
Know of an abandoned commercial property? Tell us about it at david.winzelberg@libn.com and we’ll check it out for our next installment.
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Aesthetics? Lets start with the situation on the corner of Bayville Ave and Bayville Park bvd..the bayville vets building ..the mess in front of this property over the past six months is almost worst than the empty stores ..what a dump ..pipes , bricks , stairway ,tarps, foot high weeds,it's simply a mess ..don't we have rules for stroe owners or property owners to keep their properties neat and nice looking ? That's the worst site in town .
As for Steves Pier it is for sale , Chris at Friendly corners has a post card mailer advertizing the property , it states taxes a s$48,000 I think and has a plot map showing the complete property.
My idea for Posiedons would be to turn it into a youth club as a place where teens could hang out ..this town has nothing for kids at all..some pool tables , music ,movies and you could really be doing something for the kids..If you know about the famous Carousel that's been lookn for a home why not put it on the roof where it will be safe out of the flood plane and protected .Give the police a station there as well so they don't have to hide in the UCP center and the place could still be used by the bus company to sttore vehicles out of site and again protected .
TOB did agreat job with the beach buildingnow all we need is to drop the chain link fences and we'd have a really pretty spot. And isf someone could convince the state to fix Shore rd with a emergency / bike path and clean up all the broken railings and we'd be able draw on investors to take over the rest of the derelict businesses. I've seen plans for the Tides and what Findlly wants to do there and it's terrific..it's the part of getting here from OB that's really a problem in my view ...The nicest water front road I know of yet you have to look through a mess to see it if you can from where it's so over grown ...anyway ba'villes still great and can only get better
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Thanks for the info . But most of my concern is with safety. The back of Pier one is caving in and there is broken glass everywhere. I did see some cars there recently, maybe for clean up crews, but I think even if a establishment has to close for various
reasons there is a responsibility for safety and aesthetics.Changes usually take money but safety is a responsibility.
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I love this village the way it is. I moved here BECAUSE there are no Starbucks, D and D, Taco Bell's,etc. I do have a complaint about the library though. I know we are limited with space in Bayville, but our library is atrocious. The staff at the library is great and I have no problem with them at all, but can't we fix this closet we call a library? I have worked in a lot of towns in Nassau and Suffolk county and have seen their libraries, but ours takes the cake as being the worst. Has anyone seen the new ones built in South Huntington and Cold Spring Harbor? The powers that be in Bayville have to come together and work this one out. Find a new location, expand on the one we have now, or turn the Locust Valley library into the LV/Bayville Library. It's embarrassing!
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the bayville library is great just the way it is.leave it alone! i can't even imagine what the lipa bills alone are in cold spring harbor. who is going to pay for all these crazy hifalutin ideas ? your library card allows you access to all nassau county libraries you just need the bayville librarians to put a barcode on the back of your card.please use words like charming and quaint to describe our library instead of atrocious and embarrassing.thank you k.m.
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k.m. -
I agree wholeheartedly! I've always loved our little library, the quaintness, the storytimes when my kids were little, and the cozy atmosphere. The only thing I'd like to see them add is a fireplace!
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If you ask board memebrs of the LIbrary they are in agreement with Libraryless to some degree. The members of the board whom I have spoken with all feel that they need more $$ for standard repairs, an increased budget for new books, more current library resources that have become more "typical" in other local libraries etc.
There is always room for improvement in anything. Suggesting that there be improvements to our library should not be met with such hostile responses.
Vicki just said last night at the fundraiser, to come to her with suiggestions and comments. Her exact words were "We listen to you and do implement your ideas when the time and funding is available." Why not let her knowyour ideas in a constructive letter or statement at a public meeting.
Lastly, I pay taxes here and want the convience of thislibrary, not to have to venture out of Bayville to find what I need (unless it is truly a specialty item that only a few libraries have). So please don't give the standard Bayville answer as leave it alone, don't change a thing....everything and everyone could benefit from improvements.
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Truly sorry, I ran spell check and for some reason it did not work. I apologize for the typos.....
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Quaintness is a word that I would use to describe the Post Office or the Pharmacy. What is so quaint about the library? From the outside, it looks like a sanitation garage. I know some people have a personal attachment to the current library and that's understandable, especially for the people that were born and raised here and now have families of their own. But, it's time for a change. Why should I have to travel outside of my hometown to get a book that I want? I'm not asking for a Cold Spring Harbor type library. I'm just asking for a library that's not the length of a cadillac.
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quaint or not quaint, the library will be improved in the near future. the most recent library newsletter indicated that plans are in place to expand the library up, making a second floor.
it will not be CSH or Syosset, but it will be an improvement over the size and scope of the current building.
by the way libraryless, the way you say you live here b/c there is no taco bell or other chains seems like you're worried they might be here at some point.....do you think there is a chance there might be chain stores soon?
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Thanks readthenewsletter, unfortunately I didn't read the last newsletter, but thanks for the update. To answer your question, yes I am worried that chain stores will reach Bayville. It seems as though nothing is sacred anymore on Long Island. Everyone is selling out and politicians throughout Nassau and Suffolk are getting their pieces of the pie to make it happen. I just pray that it stays out of Bayville.
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Libraryless,
"Why should I have to travel outside of my hometown to get a book that I want?"
Why should you have to travel? Anytime I ever wanted a book that wasn't "stocked" in the Bayville Library, the nice Library ladies were always able to conjure it up for me from somewhere in the Nassau system within a few days. I can't possibly imagine what book you might need so desperately that you couldn't wait a couple of days for it, if you weren't willing to drive to the other library or buy it online.
I have no objections to improvements being made to the library, I just don't think this village needs a huge expansion in what we have. Expanding the 2nd floor is a possibility, don't forget though, the Village did just spend a good $ for that slate roof not all that long ago.
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A sanitation garage! Why do you sound so bitter ? Could it be because other people have a different point of view? They'll order you any book you want in the county system. and just to reiterate WHO IS GOING TO PAY for all of these grand ideas,please tell me
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Vinny,
your bigoted thoughts are reprehensible, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
I heard the bayville market was going to be like Green Wagon in Oyster Bay, and frankly, I would welcome something like that. Now I see a card rack and gift wrap rack in their window and i don't know what to think. i'd also heard it was going to be a 7-11 type mini-market, and with cards and stuff it seems more likely.
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Yes, Vinny's comments were deleted.
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I think we will have to watch and see. If there is enough public outcry we can change things.I think the problem here is the unknown and that is what should be addressed.Anybody really know anything( not think)?
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Tom,
Oh my goodness, you want "public outcry" about the library? Seriously? Okay, well I would like "Libraryless" to respond to what I said about having our library obtain a book for him/her in a couple of days.
What "unknown" are you referring to? It's hard to address something if nobody knows what you are talking about. No offense, but your post makes little sense.
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I know your looking for a fight, but my internet muscles are tired. I'm going to bed...and I definitely won't lose any sleep.
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I was refering to the comments made about the Bayville Market or what ever it is.The only reason it makes no sense is the post was removed.Not much room for anything but your conversation I guess. Fight on
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Libraryless and Tom,
The two of you posted to this blog about our library being "atrocious" and "embarassing" and calling for "public outcry" about what I now understand to be the Bayville market, and you accuse me of looking for a fight? Well, I accuse YOU! I am merely responding to your off-base commentary on this blog. If you can't defend your whining with logic and reason, keep your complaints about this Village to yourselves or move somewhere else.
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I grew up in Bayville..and 'our' little library is just fine. You live in a small seaside village. It comes down to resources, cost, and available space. All of which are limited.
You can request any book in the library system for our little library. It may take a few days, but what is everyone in a rush for? If you can't wait, go to new Barnes & Noble type libraries you like.
Bayville is a unique place that yes, tries to hold on to its past. That is what makes it so special.
Everyone just needs to slow down a little and realize the really GOOD things you have.
I had to move away, and I still come back to see my parents very often. I love Bayville. There isn't another place like it. And that includes our little library.
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If there is any kind of library project, would it include a plan to fixup the Bayville ice rink? Yes folks, as some may not know, we have our own ice rink which was used extensively when I was younger. I've noticed they've started to bring it back and are maintaining it better than they have in a few years but the whole area down there could use a little fixup. I think at least a paving it again is in order.
Then all we would need is a little cold during the supposed winter months!
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Lisa I don't know what your talking about. I wasn't even remotely agressive. I was giving a watch and wait to see about the market. I admit I know nothing about the library I havent been there since grade school.I don't know who you are but with your attack posture I'm sure you'll behurting more then helping.Please don't put words in my mouth.Good luck
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Tom,
Apparently the post before yours was deleted. I was unaware of that fact when I responded to your comments:
"If there is enough public outcry we can change things.I think the problem here is the unknown and that is what should be addressed."
Following the thread as it existed, it appeared as though you were referring to the Library. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Anyone know how the new FAA flight patterns will affect the Village? LI is having most of the flight patterns changed and I read that Manhassett will be getting a SHARP increase in flight noise as a result...so to me if they are going over hempstead harbor etc, could Bayville be affected?
I live outside Philly and the ramifications here are going to terrible. Has anyone asked Village Hall about this?
This has been an ongoing fight with the FAA here in PA for about a year and half. Long Island is 'just learning about these changes'.....a little too late I imagine.
I love Bayville, parents still live there...would hate to have increase jet traffic over the Sound and Bayville...
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on the corner of bayville park blvd. and bayville ave. as your turn into the entrance of bayville park......there is an eye sore of construction that has been going on for nearly 3 years, 3 years!!..
the fountain of Trevi, took 30 years.......is that about how long this will take???
with all due respect, i see some progress, but its such a mess, no matter what is done it looks a wreck!!.......plus the side and back of the vets bldg. is also messy.....
.its not what i want to see, for over 3 years, each time we enter our developement..especially when we have family and vistors coming to our homes......this is 3 summer vacations that our visiting cousins have said make a turn by the abandoned buildings and contruction site ......not funny!!!
perhaps the village can assist him,perhaps the job it just too much for this poor man... i really think he needs help..can the mayor try to get help for him??..i am sure it will nice when its completed, hopefully before __ ---- freezes over........
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Iam almost positive Mayor Siegel gave this man a grant of $10,000 to do the front of that building. If my memory serves me correctly it was one of her big accomplishments when she ran last time 2 years ago. Along with the skate board park which I can not seem to find anywhere I look or the drainage project down at Valentine Beach. I walked down there the other day has anyone else. Forget the drainage project they need a sea wall during high tide the road was completely impassable. A new election is coming up in June hopefully some new candidates will run and bring some much needed new life and blood to the stagnant board. I think it is long enough that we have had a one party board in Bayville for many years Lets make Bayville better and make it a 2 party government like the rest of the country. So then maybe Mayor Siegel will start to be accountable for the money she just throws away like the project on the corner of Bayville ave and Bayville Park boulevard. By the way how much money has been spent on the Valentine Beach project in engineering costs. Recently at the Deli I had heard well into 6 digits. And all went to the same great engineering compay that engineered drediging the creek mariner which ended in a lawsuit where the village had to pay a few hundred thousand dollars. Wake up BAYVILLE start questioning the administation.
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The delay in the Valentine's Beach project is due not to the mayor but a lawsuit dealing with the placement of an outflow pipe. Residents do not want a 24 inch pipe running through their property. The village offered alternate plans but the state DEC has yet to rule. The grant to do the work is good until 2011.
The work being done in front of the vets is at least a sign that there is work in progress. Hopefully, a new office building on the site of the former Poseidon's Cove restaurant will remove another eyesore.
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Woody, there has been talk of an office building at the poseidon site since AT LEAST the spring leading up to the last mayoral election...which was Spring 2006. I think personally that is nothing more than rumor and supposition.
what work at the Vets building are you referring to? I saw a sign that the name is changed, is that the deal?
Dona,
Though I am fairl certain that this blog is read by our local government, they don't act on things they read here. you are right to be upset by the project and the best way to bring that to the attention of the people who can make changes is to call village hall.
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I am refering to the Veterinarian at the corner of Bayville Park Boulevard and Bayville Avenue. It seems to be an ongoing project. People complain about it but they are working; albeit slowly.
Plans for a building on the site of the Poseidon were presented at a Village meeting this winter and have been approved. The village has also approved the addition of a rock climbing structure and temporary ice skating for the amusement park so that they can be open in the winter. They did not approve the zip line ride.
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Can someone that knows the owner of the house on the corner of Bayville Park Blvd and Ash Ct, tell the owner to please fix up that eye sore? I know we are all facing hard times with the recession and I NEVER in my life ever thought I would tell anyone else off about how they maintain their home, but this is a travesty. It happens to face the Blvd just as you turn into the heart of this part of the village and it's ugliness brings down the rest of our neighborhood. Thanks.
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whats the deal with Centre Island? drove through there last week and it felt like another world. what is the relationship to Bayville?
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Was there a double homocide in the parking lot at Steve's Pier One that I didn't hear about? It looks like the crime scene from Waco, Texas. I know the owner of the land doesn't want vehicles parking on their property, but isn't there a better way to discourage the use of their parking lot? It seems as though the powers that be in this village don't care what happens on this side of Bayville. I mean, it's bad enough that Luca's and Poseiden's have been abandoned for years...now we have to deal with Steve's too....and Seigel and her cronies just sit back and decide to change the street signs in the village instead. Give me a break!
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While we are on the topic of "ugliness"...can you also find out who owns the house next door to me...134 Bayville Ave???
I also don't like to put anyone down about the condition of their house but this house is not only an eye sore but inhabitable and people are living in it!!!
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The village code enforcer has placed a sticker on the front door of Steve's pier. The village should requirer the property owner to place a fence in front of the building. The building is dangerous and is open invitation for teens to enter. If a fence is placed in front of the entrance, they would be able to take the ugly yellow tape. I wonder what would happen if the restaurant was located on West Harbor Drive.
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Vandels can climb fences. Fences hinder entry of the police and firemen.
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Good. Let vandels climb the fence. Do you know what happens when you hop a fence for no good reason in NY state? You get arrested for trespassing. Firemen will knock the fence down if they had to put out a fire, so I'm not worried about them either. What I am worried about is the absolute neglect of this part of Bayville by the mayor and her constituents.
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if the former steves pier burned down, at least we'd have an empty lot with a clear view of the sound, not the embarassing eyesore that we currently have. I am amazed that there is nothing that can be done about the THREE buildings in that part of town that are absolutely decrepit and an embarassment.
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Nick, I guess you live on the other side of bayville by the mayor, out of sight out of mind. The fact that the mayor and the board members allow such an unsafe situation to exist is scary. The building inspector has co deemed the building, the property should be sealed off. There is no excuse. What if there was a fire, what are we saving, there is nothing to the right or left. Firefighters would not be permitted to enter the building anyway. The village administration needs to review their building codes and start abiding by them. I drive by that place everyday and it gets harder and harder to look at it. I'm fully aware that the village does not own the property, but the village should take an active role in trying to recruit potential business owners. The village administration only likes being obstructive new ideas. Some villages and towns have a person in charge of developing and building business relationships. Promoting the newer businesses. The chamber of commerce does a great job with established businesses. The bottom line is that the village administration has no interest in developing a business consortium. This takes work, they are more interested in getting grants to hang street signs and fancy low lite street lights. I guaranteer you this, if everyone calls the village tomorrow to complain about the yellow tape and open access to unsafe building, the village will do something. So feel free to call the village and complain, that is your right as a Bayville Resident. Make sure they hear you loud and clear.
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Another Mayor conspiracy , please.Although I agree the three properties in question are a disgrace I wouldn't want our government to have the authority to call in the bulldozers.Even though it would be an improvement.Talk about a slippery slope , no thanks not for me. Haven't we learned that government is not the answer to problems but usually just makes things worse ?
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Can someone PuHLEEASE tell me WhhhYYYYY Chapter 12 Building Construction is not viewable on Bayvillevillagehall.com? Now I have to schlep into village hall for 1 measly question?? uh duh does anyone else work during the day during the week??? Maybe the building department should have evening hours. What good are online codes if they DONT LIST the IMPORTANT ONES?
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The village administration stated in their last election that they would consider updating the village website. I believe that one on the BFP platforms were updating the website. I too can not believe that it takes that long to update a website. I also work during the day, and would find it difficult to get to the village hall for one lousy question, if evening hours are not good (open until 6:30pm), maybe one Saturday a month would work (4 hours). We need to start questioning what the current administration is doing. Lets all be educated consumers.
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East Ender:
Might I suggest that you contact:
E-mail General Code at products@generalcode.com or call us at
1-800-836-8834.
......to find out why their product is not working.
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The General Code website is working fine. Editors note instructs the user to go to Village Hall. They should include the applicable code instead of making residents go to Village Hall.
This is what Chap 12 says. "[The applicability of the State Building Construction Code Editor's Note: See now the New York State Uniform Fire Prevention and Building Code. for the Incorporated Village of Bayville was accepted by resolution of the Board of Trustees of the Village of Bayville on 9-24-1962. A copy of the State Building Construction Code may be examined in the office of the Village Clerk.]"
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East Ender:
Happy reading: http://ecodes.iccsafe.org/iccf/gateway.dll?f=templates&fn=default.htm&vid=icc:ny
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Its a complete shocker, Lisa is not defending the village administration. I wonder what Lisa thinks about West end of bayville. Lisa, you usually put your two cents in, and most of the time its defending the administration. One could only assume that you think that village administration needs to something with the west end. I think you have great point and are a very intelligent woman.
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Lisa - Thanks for the info however as a Bayville Taxpayer I would like the info readily available from the village. I have no idea if the NY code is updated and if all the updates are applicable in Bayville. Should I assume that since the Village accepted NYS code in 1962 that that holds true to all the variations since then? I think not. (If I go by the Villages track record in other matters.)
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Carmine;
If you are referring to Poseidon and Steve's Pier, I would certainly like to see new owners revitalize the businesses and turn the properties around. However you must remember, these are PRIVATELY owned properties, not Village property, and therefore I believe that government involvement should be minimal.
East Ender
I thought supplying you with a link to the 2007 NYS Code would satisfy your online need to review the information, but I guess not. The Village's website refers you to NYS Code. If you have a question that is so specific that it might have been affected by a change since then, why don't you just call the building department and ask Rosalie or Jim?
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Lisa,
Unfortunately I have to go in and I work, my needs are not so specific. Thanks for your help.
The point is that the information should be available online. The Village website specifically says they adopt NYS Code in 1962. They need to update that or specify that it also includes any change s to NYS code.
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East Ender:
Just out of curiosity, did you look at the extensive volume/size of the Code? I'm no web expert, but to upload that amount of information onto a site might be more than the site can handle, in addition to there being a charge per page for upload. I'm sure Jeff or Barry would be able to speak to that aspect more intelligently than I.
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East Ender:
I'm not a web expert, but judging by the sheer volume/size of the NYS Building Code, it seems to me that it is possible that either it is simply to much data for the site to handle, or that there is an administrative charge for uploading all of those pages. Perhaps Barry or Jeff would be able to address that aspect more intelligently than I.
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It would be very easy to list ALL of the content of the important Chapter 12 containing the building codes. I invite the Village to provide me an electronic copy and I would be happy to post it (pro bono publico) for them if they are, or their webmaster/hosting company is, meeting technical challenges in doing so.
Jeff Silver
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Almost a month later, with summer in full swing and the crime scene tape from the double homicide at Steve's is still up. Tourists come to Bayville on a daily basis to see the yellow tape at Steve's followed by 2 more condemned restaurants. It's an embarrassment. But it's good to see the President Street area looks good year round. Thanks again for nothing Seigel!
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Eye sore, as per village code when a restaurant closes shop the business sign is to be taken down, village building codes are not enforced continuously or fairly. The village administration has no clue what is going on with the pier, and if they do, it would behoove them to communicate that to the residents. The yellow printed street signs look great, the contractor that installed them must have left is level at home, not all the poles are plum, but the installers still installed the signs square to the pole, take a good look at the signs. The other question is, why is the green market allowed to place signs around the village, but if you wanted to announce something you need a permit. I want the green market sign to come down, its tacky. They could post a sign on Saturday, no one is traveling from other towns to shop at the green market. If the sign stays there should be a permit submitted at the next village meeting. Once again, another example of hap-hazard code enforcement. Thanks Lou
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I noticed that the new signs blend in with trees and poles that may be behind them making them hard to see. However,people ignore signs for "No Parking", "School zone" and speed limit so I guess the new street signs will go unnoticed as well.
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I like the new street signs. The yellow lettering shows up well.
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East Ender, I think your missing the point which is money being spent in the wrong places. If this village gets any more quaint, I might throw up. How about fixing up the 3 condemned restaurants first?
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>>>>>>>>>>If this village gets any more quaint, I might throw up.>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Then I suggest you move to Hicksville. We don't need your vomit here.
>>>>>>>>>>How about fixing up the 3 condemned restaurants first?>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Oh, you'd like the Inc. Village of Bayville to spend public taxdollars on fixing up private enterprises? I can just imagine the uproar if a relative of the Mayor was one of the owners and THAT happened. Perhaps YOU are one of the owners of these 3 restaurants trying to get .gov to do your repairs for you?
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We are not asking for the village administration to foot the bill for repairs, we are asking that the administration demand that the property owners fix the land. Just because a business goes belly up, that does not mean that the buildings need to look like the ghettos. The village should require that the LAND OWNER maintain the property in a respectful way. Someone owns the property. The village should pull together resources for developing commercial real estate, have you ever heard of business development. The village taxpayers would only benefit from having a developed business in those broken down eyesores.
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A plan has been submitted for q new building on the site Poseidon's Cove and I hear all sorts of stories about just what is going on with Steve's Pier. I intend to inquire at the village meeting this coming Monday and will be happy to post whatever information I can get.
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In regard to the old Poseidons Cove Building and Steve's Pier - the property owners need DEC approval and permits (as well as village permits and approval) prior to being allowed to make any changes to the properties.
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You do not need a permit to sweep and maintain the property. The over condition of the property is a disgrace. There is a code village related to proper maintenance of homeowner property, what is the code for commercial property maintenance. The village should be prosecuting the land owners for violating village codes. I also will be at the next board meeting on Monday July 28, at 7:30 pm, I encourage all concerned residents to attend. We as residents of this fine village need to be heard. The village administration should know how the residents feel. The village board members need to answer to us, we voted them in and they work for us, the residents. We need and deserve to be informed. Lets start questioning of our administration.
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Thanks Lou! At least someone around here gets it. It's amazing how many people in Bayville are in a fog. For christ's sake....CRIME SCENE TAPE?
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BREAKING NEWS:
Double homocide on steve's pier property,
oh just kidding just a administration that does not give a %^&*
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I drove down past the two abandoned restaurants today and they really are a sad sight. They reminded me of my days working in the South Bronx in the Seventies.
The yellow tape is really jarring. Let's hope the village can get them to do something with the properties. Maybe the fire department could use one of the buildings this Halloween for the Haunted Firehouse. They sure look haunted.
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The next village board meeting is monday july 28 at 7:30, all concerned with the futue of bayville should attend. I cannot promise that board will be talking about anything important, but all welcomed.
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The new trustees will be sworn in and then they will deal with the agenda. After that the floor is opened up to residents to present issues, ask questions, etc. Let's hope they have a quorum and won't cancel.
There are lots of people who'd like to see the agenda posted on the village website prior to meetings so that they know what the Village is dealing with. The minutes of Board meetings could also be put online.
We have a Village newspaper that contains some general information and announcements but not too much substance.
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At the last Village meeting, appointments were made and the new trustees were sworn in. It was SRO for a change. One woman asked a question about the cell phone issue and the mayor told her that she couldn't comment because of litigation.
Trustee Doug Watson was named deputy mayor and he gave a little talk mentioning all the negative stuff in the Bayville Blog. He also mentioned something about the police booth being moved.
I have to agree with him over some of the caustic remarks made in another strand of this board.
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I'd like to urge everyone to take a peek at the beach just to the right of the bridge on your next trip into town. This is a popular fishing spot for non-residents, and the amount of trash that is left behind by them in disgusting. I've spent quite a bit of time cleaning it up myself before fishing myself, only to find just as much if not more the next time I go. I'd also like to commend the local fisherman who posted a homemade sign urging those to clean up after themselves. Unfortunately, it's in the wrong language (English) to reach most of the offenders. Perhaps the Village can look into placing a trash can down there. If these people are too lazy to take their trash home with them, maybe they'll walk a few feet to place it in a can.
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To Surfcaster
I too have seen the trash by the bridge. It is absolutely disgusting. The real question that we should be asking is where are the out of town fisherman parking. From what I know, they are parking in the lot by the dance studio. They should have a one hour max. parking. I do not own if the county or locale police can enforce this, but the owner of the land could. Who owns this property. The bridge marina has a security guard so they are not parking there. Does the bayville commons have a time limit on parking.
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I know many of them park on Vivona Ct, which has unlimited on the street parking. I have no problem with out of towners coming in to fish our beaches, I know spend plenty of time doing so in towns other than Bayville. I think the big problem is a complete lack of decency and respect from these fishermen, that perhaps a trash can might help to alleviate. If that doesn't do it, than maybe some littering tickets would be the next step. It'll never happen though, it's too hard to prove. Until then, people like them will continue to defile our beaches, and people like me will try to clean up after them.
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Aren't there signs that say "No Fishing off the Bridge"? If so, why isn't that enforced? I have no problem with fisherman (i love fishing myself)but I do have a problem with people fishing off the bridge. It just looks bad. Has anyone ever come home to Bayville after midnight lately? The people are lined up on both sides of the bridge 5 feet apart from each other. It's a disgrace!
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the last week or so i have seen the bay constable removing the fisherman from the bridge and beach...thank you
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The bay constable can not remove you from fishing under the under. The outer tonwers you fish on the bridge should be removed, the nassau patrol car in bayville should be responsible for this task. The mayor needs to remind the police to enforce the law.
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While I was referring to the fishermen under the bridge, the ones who fish from the bridge are a whole different problem. I have seen the Beach Constable chasing them away recently, and even spotted a NCPD Patrol Car saying something to a group on the bridge. If you ever come over the bridge after 10PM though, it is lined with fisherman, which not only poses a serious navigation hazard to passing boats, but also is a serious danger to those fishing legally under the bridge. Trust me, wading out under the bridge and having 10 guys cast lead sinkers at your head isn't fun.
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thank you to whomever has been asking those that are fishing on or below the bridge to leave...it truly is a hazard to the boaters as well as an unwelcomed activity to the residents of this community
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Thank you also to whomever was responsible for removing the yellow crime scene tape from the entrance of Steve's. That was a long homicide investigation! I guess complaints on this blog don't go unnoticed after all.
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I find it odd that the village does not read the blog. The village insists that they do not acknowledge or read it. Its ashame ,its a good way for them keep up on whats going on. You would think they would want to know everything thats going on.
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Well although this blog can be a great tool to the village, all too often the dialog degenerates into petty squablings of board housewives and househusbands, or even worst gossip-mongering. Public offices can't really be dwelling on such things. A perfect example of what I mean is the LemonLyman incident on the NBC show the West Wing episode "The U.S. Poet Laureate," if anyone is familiar with it. So unfortunately its not that they won't listen to us....well it is but that is only because we as a community, maybe even as a national culture aren't mature enough to really offer the government constructive and poignant feedback and insight. Please don't misunderstand my position though, I mourn the argument I make here. How I wish we were better, but even in that slight wish, I'm being far too general for any substantial means for improvement to be derived. In other words, God I don't know how we can be better but that doesn't mean we don't have to try. Maybe one day a forum like this can be used, and used fully, as it was originally intended; a place for open discussion, a place for meaningful critique.
JohnfromBayville
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CORRECTIONS: "...well it is(,) but that"
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Yeah but this thread seems to be going well and civil, I'm sure you'd agree John. Anyway as for the look of bayville, Luca Max or Posidon's Cove should be converted into something that the kids could use, you get them off the streets. Like that steve guy said, a pool hall would be nice. (i don't mean billards). To tell the truth I miss the batting cages. I remember years ago there was talk of a skate park being put in there but some how i never believed it was seriously going to manifest. I live right near Steve's and I still think a resturant could survive there. Well actually i guess that depends on if they closed because they were lossing money for many years or because of this latest and harsh recession. If that latter is true then another resturant would have a chance, i think.
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This website allows for great dialog, If you are smart, and you have the ability to read between the lines and believe only a quarter of the stuff then you will benefit from reading the blog. It is my belief that the village mayor and locale politicians read this website. It would be foolish for them not to read this blog. As far as the administration in this tvillage, the only concern that the village has is keeping the taxes down. I agree with low taxes, but the village does nothing. I grew up in a village similar to this one on long island. Personally do not have young kids, but this town does nothing for the kids. They have the beaches, their nice, but nothing great. They have a broken down, rec. center which only provides shelter No teen or pre-teen programs are organized through the bayville village administration. The village hires a rec coordinator, her job is to cater to the older population. The senior population utilities the rec. center more then any other group in bayville. Sports organization provide an out to some kids, but that is only a small portion of bayville kids. The rec center should be resource for teens and pre-teens. The bayville library is okay. It serves a purpose. The children section is adequate. Maintaining low taxes is important, but developing resources for children in the village needs to be addressed. The problem is that the children of bayville do not vote, so why would the mayor or her board members care.
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To Lou Celik:
You seem to be under the impression that the role of Village government is to babysit and amuse the children of its residents. Such is not the case, yet this Village has provided many facilities and events for its children, but you can do nothing but criticize it for not doing more.
Do we not have tennis courts? Isn't there a nice little playground at West Harbor and Soundside beaches? I'm glad you think the library is ok. I just ran into the children's librarian at the Green Market last week who has since moved out of state, she used to read to my children over 20 years ago. It was lovely and part of what makes living in a small town like Bayville really special.
Is your garbage picked up regularly?
How about your recycling?
With the exception of those couple of privately owned restaurants, isn't the Village pretty much free of litter?
Are drainage and road obstructions being addressed and rectified?
Are Village meetings held regularly and open to the public?
Have you ever been denied information requested at Village Hall?
Saying the Mayor and Trustees don't "care" about the children in this Village is an unfair allegation. Imho, it is more the responsibility of the parents who gave birth to the children to provide "amusement" for their children, not the Village.
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I couldn't agree more with the above posting. Starting a teen or pre-teen program requires more than having space. You need adults to supervise and, more importantly, insurance becomes an issue. Do you want the village to pick up the additional cost of insurance or salary for a teen director?Increasing insurance premiums are becoming a big problem for school districts. One reason why the cost of child care seems to be skyrocketing are the never ending premium increases.
Today's youth require a lot of things to do and most of what they are interested in involves telephones or computers. Keeping teens occupied and out of trouble is a nationwide cause for concern; the solution starts in the home, not in Village Hall.
By the way, if you think that the Village officials do not read this blog you are mistaken. Whether or not the blog is an appropriate venue for their response is another issue.
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Lou, I agree with you mostly. But dude, using general colloquialisms like 'read between the lines' and terms such as 'stuff' make you sound silly.
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Yeah, sorry for getting off topic. Woody's right it's another issue. As for the kids keeping them out of trouble absolute starts at home but it should continue out of the home. Once kids have been given the foundations of character they need a place to go outside the home that will reinforce 'good behavior.' This metaphor isn't perfect, but just like you can lead a horse to water...the opposite is true if you unleash a thirsty horse to wander around, far from water they will die. So metaphors aside these kids need a place to hang out and grow, without negative influences
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To Woody and lisa
I'm asking the village to raise children or babysit. Their three village within close promxity of bayville that offer youth programs. Woody how narrow minded are you. Yes raising children is the responsibility of the parents, but like the old saying "it takes entire village to raise a child". Lise, have you been to cold spring harbor library, now that is a library, which was totally fund by the town, and their taxes did not increase. Lisa you ask if my garbage is pick up, well thats why I pay taxes. Garbage pick up is not free. Its the mayors job to provide the residents with information "public office".
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Wasn't their a suggestion that the Bayville library expand?
Have you seen the price of books lately? Libraries are having problems acquiring books because of the cost involved. More and more journals and magazines are online because the paper versions are too expensive.
If you want to see a great library visit the new one New Hyde Park has just built and ask what the amount of the bond was. It is full of electronic devices - even the card catalog.
Today's kids don't need to spend a lot of time in local libraries. They can do research from school or home. I'm sure Locust Valley High School is connected to many other schools as well as local libraries.
By the way, I think it would be great if the village had a teen program; I just am a realist. The minute the idea would be brought up, the first question asked would be "Will my taxes go up?" And the second question: "How much noise will there be and how late will it be open?"
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Woody,
A couple of years ago, Mayor Siegel, myself and Linda Caroli as the Directors of CCSAP, Inc. tried to start up a summer program akin to the OBEN BOB program. Everything was going along nicely until we hit a bump with the NCPD, as funding for the POP program had been seriously cutback. There was also an extreme lack of parent volunteers and little interest/support from the school district. So, we never got it off the ground. However, Bayville teenagers are totally welcome at the Oyster Bay BOB in the summer.
For younger teens, there is the Grenville Baker Boys and Girls Club, year round.
There are free swimming lessons at the beach in the summer.
And you are absolutely correct, today's students don't go to libraries. But if they do need a book, the Bayville Library can order it up for them from anywhere in Nassau County in a couple of days.
Most teenagers are too busy with sports and homework to be bothered participating in some sort of Village sponsored teen program. Besides, as soon as adults organize it, it is no longer considered "cool".
I wonder why no one complains about how overnight field trips to Washington D.C. and Boston have been eliminated by the school district.
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Can anyone tell me what is going on with the park across from Ralph's? It seems to have diappeared. Couldn't they have waited until school started? Also what is going on with Steve's Pier? Bayville is starting to look like the PROJECTS!
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>>>>>>>>>>>"Bayville is starting to look like the PROJECTS!" ~Mom of 2 >>>>>>>>>>>
Have you tended your Adopt-A-Spot today, Mom of 2?
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I hope that people who complain about library facilities and service read the article about libraries in Sunday's Newsday. Libraries and library science are undergoing profound changes due to the impact of computer technology and the sky rocketing cost of print media. Columbia University, first school in America to offer degrees in Library Science, no longer offers a program.
As for the disappearing play equipment, that beach is run by the Town of Oyster Bay and has nothing to do with the Village. It is ridiculous that they'd (TOBAY)would allow work on it in the middle of the summer but contracts are awarded and I'm sure there is not much local input.
I am amazed at the people who think that "the Village" has a magic wand that can be waved to remedy things like yellow police tape on private property (which made Steve's look like a scene from CSI)or problems beyond the jurisdiction of the Village.
I think that there are more important issues that need to be addressed such as speeding and storm runoff.
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To Mom of 2
I believe the park across from Ralphs is disappearing, literally. The village does not own the land, and TOB has only band aid the land. The TOB built that nice beach house, which in about two years will be a HouseBoat. Ramson and Steihls beach will soon not been there, that portion of bayville will flood very soon. Remember, September is approaching and hurricane season will batter the coastline hard. The TOB should have built dunes to protect the shoreline and slow the erosion. Have you ever driven pass the stands on a really windy day, your car gets sandblasted. The village should have required the TOB to come up with a plan to protect the area. The village has not required the TOB to do so, and that is a dam shame. That is why the village administration is all about smoking mirrors. Lisa speaks about adopt a spot, well Lisa I hope your spot is high and dry, and not on the west side of town. Maybe instead of the village admin. putting all their efforts towards keeping taxes low, and things like the green market, how about they take up some real issues. They might like the challenge
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Lou,
"The TOB built that nice beach house, which in about two years will be a HouseBoat"
Pretty sure Bayville Amusment Park built the Bathhouse and concession at Ransom. I believe they run the food area too. They want their patrons to have the ability to use the beach while parking on their property. Thought you cant privatize public property?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The village should have required the TOB to come up with a plan to protect the area. The village has not required the TOB to do so, and that is a dam shame. ~ Lou Celik >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
With all due respect sir, your ignorance is stunning.
The Village has no authority to require the TOB to make alterations to the NYS coastline. The Village could seek to work cooperatively with the TOB to find a solution to the problem. It would be incumbent upon the TOB to engage the DEC, the EPA and the Army Corps of Engineers before any sort of seawalls, dredging, jetties, dune building, etc. can take place.
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Erosion at the Town beaches was brought up quite a while ago.
http://bayvilleblog.com/2007/05/01/erosion.aspx
These beaches are the responsibility of the Town of Oyster Bay and the only thing the Village can do is put pressure on them to take some remedial action. Bayville's sound side beach is actually quite stable and the dune that was installed should help to keep it that way.
Village residents can also write letters to Town officials and editorials to the local papers. These beaches are what makes the businesses at the Stands viable. If there is an interest, I would be happy to put up a sample letter for people to send in.
Also, I'm relatively sure that Bayville Amusements did not pay for the beach house. If anyone knows for sure, please let us know so we can put an end to this rumor.
Barry
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Barry, thank for the update, your completely right, the village should be pressuring the TOB to have a plan of correction submitted. The village residents recognize their is a problem and the village admini, now needs to step up and fight for the residents. The mayor has made no contact with the TOB regarding the issue of erosion at Ransom Beach, that is a shame. Residents have the right to express their concerns, but it is our admin. that needs to press the issue forward and demand a plan of correction. barry, please post a sample letter, and I can start circulating the letter around. Thanks, Lisa would you submit a letter, we could really use a strong power house like yourself to back our concern.
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Before I commented on Ransom Beach, I went down to take a look at it myself. I must say, I am confused as to what erosion issue Mr. Celik is referring to. The cement seawall with the polyvinyl railing doesn't appear to be going anywhere. I'm sure when it was constructed, it went through all of the red-tape rigamarole required for such construction.
The former playground equipment was apparently damaged by previous storms and needed to be removed as it was a hazard. New equipment should be put in place, that one sorry swing is pathetic.
The wooden boardwalk has been repaired (rather shoddily) and the sand from the seawall to the road seems pretty level.
I took a photo of the Sound-side of Steve's Pier One. It looks like it was hit by a hurricane. Here is my suggestion. The Village, if legally possible, should start slapping $1,000 a day fines against the owner to clean up that mess with a pre-established deadline. Those loose boards constitute a hazard and in a strong wind could damage surrounding properties, even kill someone on a boat, or on the beach. $365,000 a year in fines plus interest.... the owner is going to have to do something. There have to be a gazzillion code violations going on there, including rodent infestation. Upon external inspection only, I do believe the structure is at the point where it could be condemned as abandoned and claimed by the Village under eminent domain.
Barry, if you want me to e-mail you that picture to put up, let me know.
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Funny I just remembered I posted this
Shows how long this is been on my mind and I'm not the first
Friday, September 21, 2007 11:34 PM Tom wrote:
Can anybody shed some light on what is happening with Steves Pier? The roof appears to be caving in and all a kid has to do is slip through the fence at the end of the Ransom park and they're in the war zone. I certainly wouldn't want to hear about some kind accident or injury related to this negligence. It should be quarantined or ripped down for safety . Anything
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Lisa,
The problem with Ransom Beach is that it used to be a beach. It wasn't that long ago that people could sit on the sand in front of the parking lot at high tide. It is now a parking lot overlooking the water. How many people do you think want to spend a day at the parking lot?
Barry
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Also, by all means send the picture to the e-mail in the "Contact Us" box in the side bar.
Barry
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That idea about the fines is a good one. Should also be applied to poseidon and the luca and maxi restaurant.
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Barry,
Pics are in your e-mail.
Tom,
Yes, you did mention Steve's almost a year ago. Personally, I had never bothered to take a look at the backside of Steve's before yesterday and when I did, I was horrified by the condition. I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know if the fines I suggested are legal, but I do think it would be a very compelling method of either forcing the owner to make the repairs or providing legal/financial/safety grounds to condemn the property, raze the building, and provide Bayville with more open space or park.
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Lisa, ransom beach is eroded away, Barry is completing corrected, The reason for the seawall to protect the Bayville, but the seawall is eroded away. Soon there will not be a beach, In front of the seawall years ago, there use to be beach goers, now on high tides, the water is pressing up against the wall. That is call beach erosion. If I had children, I would not want them to play down there, under that sand there could potentially be pockets of weak sand. I contacted the TOB yesterday, and they have no plans to replace the play area. Barry, we as residents need to start submitting letters to the Village and TOb requesting an investigation. Please post that sample letter.
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Lou,
I looked at the seawall at low tide yesterday and I did not see evidence of the wall itself "eroding away". I sent Barry a picture of that, too. You can't stop Mother Nature in some instances, look at Dune Road out in the Hamptons.
That was good you called TOB to find out about the playground. I'm guessing the TOB doesn't want to throw good money after bad only to see another playground wash out to sea. Those who are deeply upset about there no longer being a playground at that location should initiate a letter-writing campaign. No offense, but it really doesn't affect me one way or another if there is a playground there.
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I do remember Barry showing a picture of that seawall erroding with rebar exposed.I grew up here and anything that has to do with recreation I want preserved and I have no children.If there is a posted sample letter I will send it.
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Tom,
Well, Barry can post the picture I took yesterday and there is no re-bar exposed. I think you should base your complaints on what "is" or "isn't", not what you remember from years ago.
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Okay I thought it was a blog not court so I will refer to Barry.
Barry did you post a pic of the seawall in question with in the last year or so erroding or am I mistaken?
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Tom,
If you go to my comment from August 12th above, there is a link to the Erosion entry from last year. The link to the pictures is right in the entry and the pictures are still up there. Number 9 shows exposed re-bar on the Ransom beach seawall.
Barry
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Lisa,
Objection Overruled. JPEG09
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Well, now I'm going to have to go back and take a look at that section of the wall as the photo I took only shows that segment from the top. I'll get back to you.
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You see Lisa I responding to this.This is a inflammitory statement I wasn't trying to prove anyone wrong but that the wall is infact erroding.Not complaining just stating.I very rarley make erroneous statements.We have to watch the condition of the town as a whole and work as a whole to keep it healthy.No need to flick each others ear
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Snip..I think you should base your complaints on what "is" or "isn't", not what you remember from years ago......
Previous staement is missing this introduction
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a few sundays ago, in newsday, in the police blotter section, a bayville resident reported a turtle statue stolen, last month my neighbor had a cement statue stolen from his front door, and a few months back i had a statue ripped from its cement pilar, and stolen as well..i was lucky enough that a police officer found it and returned it to us..maybe its a kids prank, maybe someone is selling them, who knows? but this is just a heads up note.....i dont think we need to put low-jack on our pink flamingos... yet,..........but we should be aware. thank you. i hope i helped......
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Tom,
Wasn't intending to "flick your ears", merely thought that perhaps what you were referring to had been repaired in the time since that photo was taken. I went down to Ransom today, and now that I knew exactly where to look, despite the fact that it was nearing high tide, I was able to find the spot where the rebar is exposed.
I'm not an engineer, but here is my take on the situation. Yes, the TOB should keep the wall in repair. But the fact that there is just that one spot in the vast expanse of seawall indicates to me that Mother Nature determined the weakest point. All the computer models in the world don't always take into account the irregular forces of nature. After repair, it would seem advisable to place large boulders or a small jetty of sorts in front of that section to disperse the power of the waves as they hit the shore.
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Lisa,
The wall at Ransom is fairly new and I am not in the least concerned about the one small area that has deteriorated. The wall was installed several tears ago after the existing curb and a good chunk of parking lot fell into the water after a storm. The Town made the decision to build this wall and protect the parking lot instead of repairing the beach. The results of similar decisions can be seen at Center Island Beach where, as the beach erodes away into the sound, it is replaced with wire cages filled with stone to protect the road. Last year the Center Island lifeguard/concession stand was demolished after being almost washed into the water.
To my knowledge, nothing is being done to reverse this problem.
Barry
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Lisa
I'm with you on the jetty but not small. Unfortunately jettys just deter the inevitable. I haven't been past the jetty down Merit lane in so long . Maybe it would change my view. I know the west side of it has eroded.
I wonder if someone fell on a jetty on a town beach could they sue? It wouldn't surprise me.
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Barry,
Beach erosion due to storms anywhere there is coastline is nothing new, just an inevitable result of Mother Nature. I'm sure you've read about the concern regarding south shore beaches which have not received the usual increase of summer sand, leaving them more in danger of severe erosion when fall/winter storms hit.
Are you suggesting that the seawalls never should have been built and that sand should have been trucked in annually instead? If so, that seems rather like crying over spilled milk and not dealing with the reality of the situation which is the need to protect the infrastructure (roads, ingress and egress) of the population that lives near the coastline.
The small area of deterioration should be addressed immediately to avoid further damage to the integrity of the seawall.
Tom,
People sue for just about anything nowadays, so it wouldn't surprise me if someone fell on a jetty and sued. If the person ignored posted warnings to keep off the jetty, could the Town file a counter-suit for legal costs?
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Dona,
On the evening of August 5th or early morning of Aug 6th a car or truck stopped outside of my corner house on Bayville Park blvd and Highland View dr and deposited 2 plastic safety "men", a small wooden lawn ornament, a plastic swan holding a planting w/flowers, a security sign and a toilet. I called the police and filed a found items report and posted a sign in the IGA. Since I posted the sign some of the items have gone away, hopefully back to their owners but not, however, the toilet. Sometime last year same thing happened and a small stone angel and japanese latern were deposited among other items. I had posted a sign for that too but perhaps you missed it and the angel is yours? She now watches over the woods at our corner since too many people speed over the hill. Pls take her if she belongs to you. I'm sure kids are doing this. Rgds CLaudia
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I noticed today that more yellow "caution" tape has been put up at Steve's and a dumpster was blocking the entrance. Somebody must know what's going on down there.
As for the hole in the sea wall, maybe the Village could have an engineer from H2M (the village engineering consultants) take a look for a professional engineer's opinion.
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Hey Woody you know someone knows something about Steve's up at village hall. But blog speculation never rattles them,for now, but change is inevitable.
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Yes Woody, there was another triple homicide at Steve's the other day. Let's see how long THIS investigation takes!
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cluadia.. No the angel is not mine....but thank you for the info..your very kind.....i was lucky,as i said, my statue was returned,by a very nice policelady, she found it not far from our home,near the lot(woods) you mentioned. we will just let the angel in the woods stay there, maybe she will look over us. dona.
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The best solution for questions about Steve's Pier is to go to the next village meeting and ask. Same goes for the erosion of the sea wall. I can't attend; I am working that night.
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There is a very large growing problem in Bayville that people are not taking serious, SPEEDING I am shocked at the speeds people are driving in this town on all the streets, private or not. What is the big hurry, I see people speeding to schools, not stopping at stops signs on side streets it's getting crazy, parents speeding to get their children to school, get up earlier!!! And the stands well that's an accident waiting to happen, people are flying through there with no regard, there should be a speed trap there this town would make a fortune giving out tickets there. Besides all that what about the people walking around there all summer, it is the LAW to stop when people are crossing at the crosswalks I see cars and trucks speeding by when people are trying to walk across. People slow down, leave early so you don't' have to speed. I drive 15 MPH by the stands there are to many children going to the amusement park and the beaches. Please think of this when you are driving by the stands and other places in Bayville think of the children, and don't even get me started on the driving with cell phones I'll save that for another day.
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Just to let everyone know. I was driving over the bridge back to Bayville last night around 10:30PM and was pleasantly surprised that 2 NCPD cops were cornering and questioning 3 people with fishing poles. It was actually pretty funny because they were being questioned right under the sign that says "NO FISHING ON THE BRIDGE"! Unfortunately, today I saw what looked like the same 3 people UNDER the bridge fishing in the water. They were so far under the bridge, that the water was up to their waists. Doesn't this present some sort of problem for our boaters who may not be able to see them depending on which time of day it is???
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Its simply amazing to me, two months I discussed the issue of eroding beaches and no one said a thing. Did you think I was lying. Back filling the beaches with sand is useless. On extreme tides and rough waters the sand is washed away, also with high winds the sand is sweep across the street. You could replace the sand every time it storms but you need to find the root cause and prevent the beach erosion. Those rock cages are the cheapest way to make it look like you care about beach erosion. they actually do not protect the beaches from eroding, they secure up the road. The concrete walls down at Ransom was the wrong type of construction. They should have steel walls with poured concrete behind them, once again the TOB performed a half ass job. They want you to believe that they care. I agree, we should request the village to assess ransom beach.
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I think I remember them pounding in steel.I think we have to remember that beach erosion is a natural thing and the fact we build on the beach makes us( humans) responsible.There are things that deter erosion. I'm not sure of the best course of action but calming the waves with jettys seems,in my mind the cheapest alternative that works but I'm open .
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My neighbors and I were just discussing this growing problem today in the street when we were almost hit by a speeding car (which by the way never slowed down even after we all jumped onto the grass). When is this problem going to be addressed- after a child is killed or seriously injured by a driver needlessly speeding through the streets!
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Speeding is a big problem in the village. My concern is the speeding on Mountain Avenue in front of the school. The signs say "15 MPH" but I don't think anybody goes that slowly. The signs are in weird places and not very visible. I wonder why the speed limit isn't painted on the surface of Mountain Avenue? It seems easy to do.
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I live in Babylon Village but have been going to Bayville for about 15 years usually for the old batting cage or arcade/restaurants. I just drove through last week for the first time in a few years and was shocked that Steves Pier and other old restaurants look so awful. It is not even my town but felt sadness about the way it looks. It really is such a beautiful area, I hope it gets cleaned up so all the residents will be proud of their hometown.
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IN REFERENCE TO SPEEDING IN VILLAGE STREETS...BEING FROM THE CITY, MY DREAM WAS TO MOVE TO A WONDERFUL TOWN LIKE BAYVILLE, AND HAVE A BACK YARD FOR MY CHILDREN.. A "BACK"YARD!!!! AWAY FROM THE HUGE UPS TRUCKS AND POLAND SPRING DELIVERY TRUCKS, FURNITURE DEL. TRUCKS, ETC. AND OF COURSE THE IDIOT CARELESS DRIVERS.I WAS SADDENED AT THE PARENTS WHO THINK, THAT THE (SLOW CHLDREN AT PLAY ) SIGNS OR THE ORANGE CONES IN THE FRONT OF THEIR "FRONT" YARDS" WILL PROVIDE THE SAFETY THAT IS NEEDED TO STOP A CAR OR TRUCK..IT IS A CAUTION I KNOW.. BUT ITS NOT A BRICK WALL!!! YES SPEED KILLS, YES WE HOPE EVERY DRIVER IS CAREFUL, BUT BAYVILLE IS NOT MAYBERRY..THOSE DAYS OF COUNTRY ROADS ARE OVER, WITH MORE PEOPLE, WE HAVE MORE CARS, MORE TEENS DRIVERS, LOTS MORE TRAFFIC ON OUR PRETTY STREETS IN BAYVILLE PARK...THE OLDER RESIDENTS TELL ME THEY HAVE SEEN A BIG INCREASE OF CARS IN THE PAST 10 YEARS...I HAVE MADE MY BACKYARD A PLACE FOR PLAY, AND FAMILY TIME, THE FRONT YARD IS NOT A PLAYGROUND. its no longer an option....OUR DRIVEWAYS ARE FOR CARS TO COME AND GO, NOT OUR KIDS LIL RED WAGONS , AND FOR GOODNESS SAKE PUT YOUR BASKETBALL HOOPS OUT OF TRAFFICS WAY AND KEEP HOOPS CLOSE TO YOUR HOMES.......JUST THINK,LOOK AROUND, AND SAY TO OURSELVES, IS THIS A GOOD PLACE FOR MY KIDS TO RUN AROUND? ARE WE TOO NEAR TO PASSING TRAFFIC? MAYBE WE SHOULD MAKE USE OF OUR BACK YARDS...LETS DO THE SMART THING FOR OUR KIDS........GOOD LUCK ..........MURPH
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In all due respect "Murph" No we should not have to keep our children in our back yards, how can they ride bikes in the back yard??? And basketball hoops in the driveway O.K. but what happens when a ball rolls out to the road? I'm sorry that you think those days of "Mayberry" are over but that's the reason we live here, for the safety, I grew up here and NOBODY drove like some of these people that are driving these days. SLOW DOWN, I always look for children everywhere even on Bayville Avenue riding bikes, why do we have to put up with it and put our children away, Go ahead a speed down my road I take license plates and report them to the police, hopefully they will get caught. There is no other option, we drive slow on all streets, school is starting, I seen teachers drive down Perry Ave. at some pretty high speeds and some parents with children in the car, I am tired of it, that's why we live here if you want to keep your children in the back yard then move back to the city, we don't do that here. It's doesn't take much to slow down before it's to late.
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dear taxpayer,
and just so u know... that would be me, you and any one else, we all pay taxes, .
.take it easy, i meant well, your twisting my words and asking me move back to city is a bit over the top dont u think?? i live here over 20 years, i am not going anywhere deary..
just be realistic, protect our children, thats all i am saying....think about how an orange cone can stop a car,or a ball rolling unto a street etc... it could be a tragedy.. my note was just a gentle suggestion, cetainly not to... KEEP KIDS IN BACKYARD!!..ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? is that what you got out of my note???, my message was to not put kids in harms way..thats about it thats all i meant...
DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO DO, I WILL ALWAYS PUT MY KIDS SAFETY FIRST...WHERE EVER I MAY LIVE. MURPH....
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I went to West Harbor today and was shocked to see a sign that said 'Beach Officially Closed, swim at your own risk'
I know that the TOB beaches were still staffed with lifeguards and NYC pools and beaches closed for the season at the end of today. Is there any logical reason why on LABOR DAY ITSELF, our beaches were not staffed? We are a beach town, how bizarre is it to leave our beaches unprotected on the day that is universally accepted as the last day of summer?
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Yesterday I saw the village "square badge" constable, writing a summons to a vehicle that was standing outside the IGA with someone sitting in the passenger seat. I'm all for the stopping of crime in our village and I respect people in uniform, but a parking summons on Labor Day?? C'mon!
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>>>>>>>>>Is there any logical reason why on LABOR DAY ITSELF, our beaches were not staffed?>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Could it be because our lifeguards are all local college students who went back to school?
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Lisa, I'm sure that could be true for some, but as far as i recall (it's been a while since college!) you go back to school in late august, so if we lost all our lifeguards to college, then chances are they would have left even earlier than sunday/monday, not all of a sudden in a mass exodus sunday night of labor day weekend, you know? so if tht were the reason we'd have been short lifeguards for the last week or so. which we might have been, i did notice less lifeguards sitting around waiting their shifts on the chair in the last week or two.
also, I'm pretty sure that some of the lifeguards are HS students. I know school starts today in LV, but still there could have been some coverage.
I had a great summer utilizing two of our village beaches, the umbrellas and bocce stuff to borrow was a GREAT idea, and the lack of lifeguards does not take away from that, i just found it surprising.
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To Murph - Be careful letting your kids play in the backyard. One family was taken to court because their children were too noisy.
This isn't the Bayville of 1958; driveways are filled with cars and it seems that everyone is in a big hurry.
People who live by the school on Mountain Avenue estimate the average speed at about 40 mph-this is a 15 mph zone when school is in session. I don't have a device to measure speed but cars do seem to go very fast. Adding to the problem is the fact that parking is allowed on one side of Mountain Avenue so many people drive down the middle of the street or even on the wrong side.
Walk along Bayville Avenue at 8 am in the morning. The traffic is heavy and cars go zipping by.
As for the Constable I also saw ticketing people yesterday. He has little else to do.
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Does anyone know who owns steve's pier property. did it go to foreclosure? does a bank own the property
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I don't know who owns the property Lou, but I was delighted to see they are putting up an orange mesh fence to block cars from parking there. ANYTHING is better than that god awful yellow homicide tape! Thank you to whomever was responsible for telling the owner to smarten up.
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My opinion about Steve's pier is (and I'm not a lawyer), the village should place a lien on the building citing it with multiple village codes (i.e. unkempt property, business sign on closed commercial building, dangerous broken windows). The village should fence in the property maintaining the safety of the perimeter. The cost of the fencing repaid to the village upon the closing of the property. The waterside festival is this weekend, I sure plenty of people will see this horrible sight and then start complaining to the village administration. One last thing, I feel bad for the surrounding residents or commercial business. The building will be taking over by rats or raccoons for the winter. But come spring, they will be looking to leave to find food. When they built the amusement park, all the rats that were in the marshland were evicted and moved east. If you get close to Poseidon's cove and look in the window, its taken over by raccoons and rats. These are not the type of neighbors we are looking for.
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If that's true and I don't doubt it, the board of health might be a possible option since it appears the village isn't concerned enough.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to have a village liaison participate on this blog.
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Tom, the village administrators read this blog. They may not post comments but they read the blog. Also trustee naughton has posted comments on the blog about the green market.
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Thanks for the confirmation.
Maybe someone could explain why they wouldn't settle peoples minds about the subjects in question.
I think if someone actually gets hurt inside Steves there could be some ramification to the village. Where am I wrong?
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Addressing The Three Eyesores of Bayville is an important and complicated issue.
Steve's Pier
I think the owners of Steve's Pier have changed hands...if the rumors are true. The new owners are looking for investors to join them in making the site a catering hall/restaurant.
I did see an investment offering on Craig's list regarding this property.
Poseidon's Cove
Poseidon's Cove is owned by a local (not Bayville) family and it is an utter disgrace. If the Village has been giving summons on the property for years, the Village should become more aggressive in their efforts. It is not fair to all the business owners down by the stands that have taken advantage of the new burst in life and business brought in by the Amusement Park and have renovated their own businesses
The owners of PC should have legal action taken against them by the Village for leaving the property in such deplorable conditions.
When the owners bought the property a few years back, the property had already been vacant for years, but their complete disregard for the condition of the PC, disregard for the residents of Bayville Park Blvd. area (people who own homes and pay good money in their taxes and have to look at that when they exit and enter their community) and disregard for ALL the other taxpayers in this town for having to look at that for years, should be addressed.
If a Village cannot take legal action to force an owner to make their property conform to basic Village codes, and basic aesthetics and health/safety codes, then maybe an extreme measure is needed.
The Village should apply for a grant and buy it. If that is not possible then CONDEMN the site. I am not a proponent for eminent domain, but I do believe it is needed in certain situations. This property is a prime candidate for it.
Condemn it, and make it work for our community. Make it a facility owned by the Village and that has the opportunity to be used by the residents of Bayville OR by neighboring villages and groups for rental fees.
Luca
Supposedly Luca and Maxie's site has had plans submitted for a renovation for over a year. When is that happening???? What is holding that project up? This property is owned by yet another local family who thinks it is ok to leave buildings in disrepair for eternity.
These owners should be held accountable.
Three ideas that come to mind for possible uses of a Village acquired property are
1)Senior Housing for Bayville Seniors only.
2) Indoor Community Ice Rink
3) Indoor Community Pool
If there were acquisition of a property these ideas and ALL the ideas from the taxpayers could be presented to the Village and the administrators could decide upona project that is right for Bayville based on logistics, practicality, need and budget.
The Village needs to hear how many residents are bothered by these eyesores and the time has come to rectify these problems.
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Perhaps the two local families that own these properties (poseidon and luca & Maxies) would respond if Bayville residents stopped supporting their other businesses? Maybe we can send letters or a petition, explaining why we are not patronizing their other places of business in nearby towns while they let the properties they own here become no better than abandoned buildings in inner cities?
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Civic thinker I appreciate you well though out comments.
I'm looking for information posted that is in direct association of the village. I know as a community we should all participate at meetings
( some one please don't say that). But there is no reason why they can't post on this blog or the village website any developments or even the topics being discussed(at up coming meetings)to encourage participation. I've been there when it was important but I never know unless informed( please don't mention kiosks).That is not much to ask. The town is not big enough to have a paper so this blog is all we got and I'm thankful for that.
BTW glad to see the windows boarded at Steves it's not visually appealing but at least a deterrent for injury
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To Civic Thinker
I like the idea of the village applying for a grant to purchase the Poseidon Cove and/or Max & Luca. Maybe that would be a good site for the skate park. Local kids would have a place to hangout and the local businesses could benefit from their business of soda and snacks. Out of town skaters could use the skate park for a small entrance fee that would help financially maintain the proposed skate park.
Anyone have ideas for the site?
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To Bayville Gal, I actually like the fact you are thinking about the kids. But in my experience outside of Bayville, I have witnessed similar skate parks (for the good of the children) that have turned into drug dens for kids. A park that attracts drug dealers and drunks is NOT the way to go. Who will patrol the area? NCPD cops are too busy sleeping at Ransom Beach!
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Hi Steve,
I understand your concerns about skate parks, it seems to be a common concern and worry, yet in my experience unfounded.
Todays skate boarding is mainstreamed and there are a wide variety of kids, both girls and boys from all walks of life, economic background and ethnicity who skate board.
Skate Board parks have been installed in very upscale communities as well as beach towns across LI and the Nation. They are usually well kept and well monitored and the kids seem to use them without incident. Montauk, East Hampton, Norwalk CT., are just a few towns that have similar beach type feels as ours that have these parks and they are working out just fine there.
A drug den can easily be going on at Ranson, Stehli, CI ,WH and soundside beaches, yet they are not.
In my opinion, grouping all skate boarders and the parks into a negative light is unfair and stereotypical.
Plus anything that would go in the Poseidons area would be in full view of the public, I would think making it hard for all the drug deals and drug users to operate.
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I don't see anything wrong with a private company buying one of the properties and converting it to a skateboard park. A decent park will cost well over $500,000 to construct (I do know a skate park designer and $500,000 is a low end estimate). It would also be required to carry its own security and insurance. I don't think it is fair to impose that sort of expense on the Bayville taxpayers and expect the Village to incur the liability.
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I think the skate park is a great idea, but that facts are the liability for the place would be to much and who's going to pay the insurance bill? It's sad times when that is what we have to think about. Maybe there is a way around all that. I just hate seeing all those building wasting away and becoming a rat/raccoon haven. What can we do as residents to get this taken care of, can the kids sign a waiver before entering the park, like have a sign up sheet and give out passes for the park and the town already has auxilary police and ask if the would man the park and anyone in without a pass will be kicked out and have their passes revoked, out of towners can pay a small fee to use the park. I don't see how that can't work , take the responsibility of libility off the village. Why not look into that?
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What are the other businesses owned by the owners of Luca and Poseiden? Not everyone in Bayville knows who the owners are, I have no problem at all going there and mentioning the issues. Thank you
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What happened at Random Beach? I went by this morning and saw a HUGE mess in the parking lot? Cars were slowing down to look at this disaster. Did no one clean up after the fair? I hope the participants were not expecting TOB to clean up. I hope the Chamber of Commerce is unhappy as I am to see this mess and will clean it up today.
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The FActs are mayor Siegel SAID she had the money about 5 years ago to build a skate board park. However it would have to be built on town land. West Harbor was the most ideal site. She did not want it across from her house. As to insurance the town has a substantial liability policy to cover itself. Yes there would be an additional rider endorsement needed but nothing out of the ordinary. Many towns that have Rec centers have added these great new attractions and the town as well as the kids and parents have benefited. Mayor Siegel wanted to put the skate board park behind Town Hall with our DEFUNCT ice skating rink. Has anyone been back there to see that MESS. The administration has stepped up to the plate in the last year and have added many new improvements to our village clean-up of west harbor, new picnic area tennis courts, umbrellas and bocce ball are just a few, however there is a lot more work to do. I hope they don't drop the ball and stop now like they have in the past. West Harbor would be a great place to put a skate board park and no land acquisition would be needed.
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Although I think the discussion about what could go in a property acquired by the Village is important, let's not get ahead of ourselves and lose sight of the first step.
FIRST you must own the property to then have an open forum discussing what would go there. All ideas that would benefit the Village, be most cost effective and useful to our residents should then be heard and debated.
Make your voices be heard about the disgrace of the condition of these three properties. Each site has had either rumors about their future or written ideas presented to the Village and then those ideas have been put out to the public, yet they still stay the way they are.
First things First voice you opinion to the people who can make a difference, our Village officials. It is not a bad thing to say, "we have lived with this mess for years and we deserve to live without suburban blight!"
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First off, to address the speed of cars and kids playing in the road, I make sure that I don't break 10-15mph on any side street in Bayville. On my block, kids regularly dart out in front on my car. What troubles me, is the complete and utter lack of responsibilty of these kids' parents. As a parent, I would never let any child under 10 play in the street alone. However, in my neighborhood, kids as young as 3 or 4 run around in the streets completely unwatched. To make matters worse, these kids take great pride in antagonizing drivers, playing "chicken" with cars on their bikes, staring you down as you have the audacity to try and drive through their "playground" or even slapping the back window of your car for not moving through fast enough. I take every precaution I can to avoid hitting these kids, but not every driver does. It's time for parents to step up and take some responsibility for their kids.
As for the abandoned buildings on the West End of Town, they are a complete and utter disgrace, but unfortunately, The Village is probably very limited as to what can be done with them. I wonder what would have to be done for the buildings to be declared condemned and to have them bulldozed? It's not the best solution, but the owners aren't taking any action, and I'd rather look at a vacant lot than the buildings that are currently standing.
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I would also rather see a vacant lot.
The broken down buildings are an indication of economic decline in the area and effectively lower our property values. Besides it's embarrassing.I do not think the village is limited on what they can do I think it's unlimited what they can do and a piece on Bayville's economic decline in newsday or news12 might show it.
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Here is the address if you want newsday to write an article. I sent one. Lets blast them with request.
http://www.newsday.com/news/custom/inews/ny-email-newstips,0,7969352.customform
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Just sent my "tip" to Newsday too. Enough is enough. Something tells me that this problem can be fixed if the people of this village stand together and do something about it. And Lisa...spare me the "don't blame the Mayor and the Village" crap. If there is ANYONE who can make a few calls and get something done..it's her. It's a disgrace. If something isn't done about it, I'm going to start complaining about the noise coming from the Amusement Park. The screams and noises can be heard all throughout Bayville Park. Village law states "it is illegal to have loud noise coming from a concession within Bayville if the noise becomes a nuisance". In Sept and Oct, I have to listen to loud screams coming from the "Scream Park". If nothing will be done about the abandoned buildings, I'll just start complaining about the Park.
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I sent one in too. thanks for providing the link.
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Hey lou, you same to know something about polilitics in bayville, why don't you start a compaign against the eyesores in bayville. Did you see the village newsletter recently mailed out by the mayor, the streetscape there has been no commitment of monies yet...I sent a message to newsday.
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I posted a message to newsday, I also have a contact over there will follow up with a call. Keep sending messages to newsday.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>patty wrote:
I posted a message to newsday, I also have a contact over there..>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Just curious, did you bother to give Mayor Siegel the courtesy of a call to ask her about the status of the properties firsthand?
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Lisa there you go again with your nonsense talk. Its not the residents responsilibilty to seek out information. If the village is working on plans for the sites, which I doubt they should disclose the plans (or at less say they are working with developers). As resident we should be supplied the information. I have a job, and in at my job if I did not disclosure information that would effective co workers or customers I would be out of a job. Its her responsiblity, please stop defended vicky, if she had information that could effect you and did not tell you, would that piss you off...One last thing, if you have a garage sale and you do not pick up the signs you get fined, well the waterside festival signs are all over oyster bay and locust valley, maybe someone should pick them. They should Practice what they Preach or fine..
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Hey Lou -
>>>>>>>>>>Lisa there you go again with your nonsense talk. Its not the residents responsilibilty to seek out information>>>>>>>>>>>
Asking a person whether they had the courtesy to call the Mayor and ask her about their concerns is nonsense talk? It's not their responsibility to seek out information? Are you for real? Is the Mayor supposed to be psychic and know what's on the minds of every Bayville resident? Gimme a break!
If an individual has concerns about an issue, whatever the issue may be, have the decency and common courtesy to speak face to face with your Village officials BEFORE calling in the Newsday reporters. IF, after you've done that and you don't receive a satisfactory response or feel that you are being lied to, then by all means, call in the media.
The Chamber of Commerce, not the Village, ran the Waterside festival. Take up your complaints with Joe at the deli if it bothers you.
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http://www.bayvillevillagehall.com/bayville_record.html
Please excuse the above link if it is not 'clickable'. It is the link to PDF file of the June 2008 Bayville Record on the Village website. The more current Record is not on the site yet, despite it being received in the mail last week. I don't have the hard copy in front of me but I don't recall anything about those properties being in it.
anyway, there is in the June issue mention of these three sites as being under varying phases of development/site plan review/code approval. That is all well and good but in all honestly it's the same sort of non-committal information that's been in the Record for what feels like a long time with regard to those properties. And yet nothing comes to pass, ever.
I remember back to 2006, hearing that there was going to be a medical building where Poseidon is and yet nothing at all.
On a COMPLETELY different note, It seemed like the Waterside festival was a great success, very busy and bustling. It's too bad that the Green Market and Bike Ride couldn't have been re-scheduled for Sunday when the forecast became apparent for Saturdays weather. Those two events would have added to the festival positively. I commend the Chamber for taking a festival that was good but still had a lot of potential and helping it live up to it's potential.
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Lisa in Lou's defense it is the mayors courtesy to inform us . And I actually like the Mayor. She's helped me quite a bit. But there is no reason why there is no one affiliated answering questions on this blog if they watch it.People need this convenience to participate.
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Lisa once again you are defending the mayor. Edie is right, the village has been saying the same old Bull---- for the past 2 years, we are in talks. This is the longest conversation ever. I heard about the plans for the old pig and whistle site, but from what I hear the village was no help moving this forward, actually obstructive at times. Like I stand by my word, the mayor is require as elected public servant to disclose all information to the residents. I have a family job and responsibility, I do not have time to call the village to deal with their lies. Lisa since you defend her so much why don't you call her tomorrow and get the down load on the properties
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Tom,
>>>>>>>>>>>>But there is no reason why there is no one affiliated answering questions on this blog if they watch it.People need this convenience to participate>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Actually, there's a very good reason why the Village doesn't use this blog to answer resident questions - it is not a Village sponsored site. Public officials have absolutely NO obligation to respond to questions or vicious attacks by anonymous individuals on a blog whose administrative agenda appears to be to set said officials up for potential criminal prosecution. What went on regarding the matter at St. Gertrudes in this blog was absolutely despicable. Our elected Village officials have the good sense not to participate in what amounts to a website with less credibility than the National Enquirer.
Lou:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have a family job and responsibility, I do not have time to call the village to deal with their lies>>>>>>>>>>>
I can't help you if you've already made up your mind that a one on one phone call is going to consist of you being told "lies". Any information I could obtain and "report" you would obviously consider a lie as well, due to your bias. Your recent posting times indicate that you obviously DO have the time to pick up the phone and make a call (11:55 AM, 12:45 PM, 3:08 PM, 5:38 PM, 10:13 PM)So frankly Lou, your "word" means nothing to me.
Every resident has different concerns and issues that may be important to them. It is NOT the responsibility of elected officials to be mindreaders or to respond to anonymous nonsense on a blog. As a property owner and taxpayer, if you recognize something as a problem and want something done about it, it is YOUR responsibility to bring it to the attention of those who have the power to correct it, educate yourself as to what the legal limits of their corrective powers are and communicate your concerns in a respectful manner so that you can get answers from the horse's mouth. If there is specific information that you feel the Village has not disclosed to you, you have the right to FOIL it.
And yes Lou, I will continue to defend the Mayor. I have known the woman now for 30 years and have watched her dedicate herself tirelessly to the betterment of this Village. Her "salary" of $2,500 a year is a joke for the personal abuse she has had to suffer at the hands of misinformed litigious residents. I have always found her to be honest, open, forthright, courteous and responsive to any issues I have raised or questions I may have posed. I consider her a personal friend and she has my respect and admiration. If you want to fault me for that, I think it says a lot more about your character, than it does mine.
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Edie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's too bad that the Green Market and Bike Ride couldn't have been re-scheduled for Sunday when the forecast became apparent for Saturdays weather>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I agree, I was disappointed myself that the Green Market had to be canceled Saturday morning as I just restocked my merchandise and had new items to sell. BUT, the Green Market consists of perishable items which must be ordered in advance. If Sunday had been a rainout (which was looking very possible on Thursday) I doubt you would have been very happy if the Village had purchased all that food and ended up having to give it away. Forecasts are just that, forecasts, and in this case, I think it was fiscally prudent for the Village to "err" on the side of caution.
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Lisa, very good point about perishable goods. That doesn't mean the bike ride couldn't have been rescheduled. the two things are not mutually exclusive.
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Edie,
I have no personal knowledge as to what was involved in the scheduling of the bike ride in terms of organizing volunteers, police cooperation, registering participants or permits for the event. I'm sure if there is enough interest the Village would be happy to reschedule it.
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There was a proposal for the Poseidon property presented to the Village Trustees at a regular village meeting in the Spring. The proposal was for a two story structure with offices. They had the plans available for anyone at the meeting to peruse. The developers have since decided on a one story building. The facade of the building was in line with other village architecture and had been done in consultation with the Village architectural committee.
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Dear Woody, well because of the review of the arch. and with there recommendation the developer has since changed his mind about the development. Between what the rent, taxes, construction and new sewer system it would be worth to only build a one story building. So a developer was going to develop in bayville but the review screwed that up. The review board is hand picked by the mayor, i guess an empty lot is more in line with the rest buildings...let wise up.
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This is the village code for,
"unsafe buidling"
§ 15-2. Procedure for inspection and removal of unsafe structures.
Any building or structure in a business, industrial or residential section or district that, from any cause, may now be or shall become dangerous or unsafe to the public may, by resolution of the Village Board of Trustees, be required to be removed or repaired so as to make sure such building or structure is safe, provided the procedure hereinafter provided for has been followed: A. An inspection and report shall be made by the Building Inspector and he shall issue a report to the Board of Trustees that such building or structure is or may thereafter become dangerous or unsafe to the public.
B. After the receipt of such report from the Building Inspector, the Village Clerk shall notify the owner or the owners, executors, legal representatives, agents, lessees or any other person having a vested or contingent interest in the same, either personally or by registered mail, addressed to the last known address, if any, of the owner, or some one of the owners, executors, legal representatives, agents, lessees or other person having a vested or contingent interest in the same, as shown on the records of the Receiver of Taxes or in the office of the County Clerk, containing a description of the premises, a statement of the particulars in which the building or structure is unsafe or dangerous and an order requiring the same to be made safe and secure or removed; and if such service be made by registered mail, a copy of such notice shall be posted on the said premises.
C. Such notice shall specify the time within which the person served shall commence and complete the securing or removal of such unsafe or dangerous building or structure.
D. In the event of neglect or refusal of the person served with a notice to comply with the same, a survey of the said premises shall be made by an official of the village and a practical builder, engineer or architect to be named by the Board of Trustees and a practical builder, engineer or architect appointed by the person notified as above, and, in the event of refusal or neglect of the person so notified to appoint such surveyor, the two (2) surveyors named shall make the survey and report to the Village Board. The said notice shall contain a statement that, in the event the building or structure shall be reported unsafe or dangerous under such survey, an application will be made at a special term of the Supreme Court in the judicial district in which the property is located not less than five (5) days nor more than ten (10) days thereafter for an order determining the building or structure to be a public nuisance and directing that it shall be repaired and secured or taken down and removed. [Amended 7-13-1973]
E. A signed copy of the report of the survey shall be posted on the unsafe or dangerous building or structure and compensation for said surveyors shall be provided for.
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To Lisa:
"Her "salary" of $2,500 a year is a joke for the personal abuse she has had to suffer at the hands of misinformed litigious residents."
Do you really think she makes $2,500 a year? You just confirmed to me that she does take money on the side. Personal abuse? You don't like it...leave! She obviously is staying for a reason and since she's a politician, I'll leave you with a quick Q & A. Q: What is the answer to 99 out of 100 questions? A: Money.
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Dear steve's eye sore
she is the only mayor of an incorporated village on long island that will collect a pension...
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Whta kind of pension could she get with a 2500. salary? Really, I am curious, also where does the pension come from?
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I believe it probably comes from a program like LOSAP, that is the pension for Volunteer Firefighters
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To Steve's Eye Sore:
>>>>>>>>>>>Do you really think she makes $2,500 a year?>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>You just confirmed to me that she does take money on the side.>>>>>>>>>
I confirmed NO such thing, and don't you DARE twist my words to reflect your paranoid accusations.
>>>>>>>>>>Personal abuse? You don't like it...leave!>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Bully! She doesn't like being sued by litigious residents (who would?), but because she is a woman of integrity she has chosen to stay, fight and WIN! You don't like it, YOU LEAVE!
>>>>>>>>>>>She obviously is staying for a reason>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Gosh, could it be because her home is here, she and her husband raised their family here, her children and grandchildren live here, and overall she likes Bayville?
>>>>>>>>>>>>and since she's a politician, I'll leave you with a quick Q & A. Q: What is the answer to 99 out of 100 questions? A: Money.>>>>>>>>>>>>
I'm sorry, you seem to have Vicki confused with Joe Biden. Believe it or not, some people actually make a commitment to public service and their community. Two thirds (66+%) of the residents of Bayville agree with me.
Btw, what line of work are you in again? My fellow residents and I would like to know so we can be sure to avoid your business or service and spread nasty rumors about how you pay off TOB officials and the police.
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uuuh, I seem to remember sueing the Village and winning because they were wrong in their decision making process. tisk tisk, now THAT cost the taxpayors money as well, too bad the village didn't make the right decision in the first place. BTW Lisa - you are falsely claiming "Two thirds (66+%) of the residents of Bayville agree with me." I see you like to speak for Mayor Siegel, do us all a favor and try speaking for yourself.
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Lisa, only 1010 people turned out for the election, that itself is only 29% of the residents of Bayville, so 66% of the voters that turned agree with Mayor Siegel, you must be best friends with Vicky see two likes to manipulate others words.
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Wow,there is a community that knows how to seek out developers and work with them to develop in the community. I'm not stupid I know there are a city, but we are a small community with a small minded person running it. Its great to have low taxes, but we not collecting taxes on empty properties. Also if you trying to sell your house, you better think twice about what driving direcion your realator is giving to potenial buyers. I would let them come through LV....They have a city development committee, wow that is great...
Glen Cove OKs scaled-down waterfront development
Two Glen Cove agencies unanimously approved a plan for a scaled-down version of a waterfront development, ending a stalemate that had stalled the proposal for more than a year.
"We've made tremendous, tremendous progress," Don Monti, one of the developers, said on Tuesday. "This is a great time for Glen Cove and all of its residents."
The new plan for 56 acres of once-contaminated land along Glen Cove Creek includes 860 condos and apartments, a 250-suite hotel, 50,000 square feet of office space, 25,000 square feet of retail space, 85 boat slips and 19.3 acres of open space along the waterfront.
The original proposal called for as many as 1,120 residential units. In 2005, the city's Community Development Agency and Industrial Development Agency approved a reduction to 860. For the past eight months, the two sides reworked the design, ultimately agreeing to scale back the retail space by 7,000 square feet and add 50 hotel suites.
Four, 16-story buildings were scaled back to three, 10-story buildings.
Glen Cove Mayor Ralph Suozzi, who is chairman of both city agencies, said he was happy with the outcome.
"I think the biggest selling point is that we're taking a brownfield and putting it to use," he said.
While the development had stalled with each side accusing the other of being unresponsive, Suozzi said that new people getting involved "brought with it new energy and a sense of cooperation that was lacking before."
It also helped, he said, that the developers gave the agencies about $100,000 to hire independent legal, architectural, engineering and planning consultants. That, Suozzi said, allowed agency officials to get answers from professionals with no stake in the outcome.
"It put the CDA and IDA on equal footing and allowed us to engage in a conversation that we weren't allowed before," he said.
Monti said he expects to submit a site plan to the city's planning board by November and get an environmental impact study under way.
A model of the development will be available for viewing at the developers' storefront at 20 Glen St. by the end of next week.
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WOW Who really cares what the Mayor makes a year and I really don't care what Glen Cove looks like, I car about Bayville and how terrible it looks!!! The facts are that Poseidon Cove and Steve's Pier are really an eyesore, everyone agrees with that, instead of name calling about the Mayor lets try to get some real answers not "hear say" from the Bayville Blog. Let's all start going to town meetings and voice our opinions and try to get something done. It actually looks like parts of The Bronx down there and it's pretty sad we have to look at it.
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That's funny . All I wanted was answers to what's happening and why this condition is allowed. It's against the village code. But as usual it becomes about something else.The village posts meeting info(topics not times) at the
kiosks (sometimes). Why can't they have it on their website or better yet and email list. No paper no fuss.
Also Lisa ,could you clarify this
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Nothing I said deserved this response
What administration...Barry?
I must be crazy to read this blog
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Why does it leave out what I put between<<<<<>>>>
Should be inserted between
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Lou,
You are absolutely correct, I used the word residents instead of voters. And while I don't have time right now to look up the old election numbers, I'm pretty sure you are way off on the Mayoral election count.
Tom -
I have no idea what it is you are trying to ask me.
Take a number and try again.
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No administrative agenda here Lisa, just an open forum.
Jeff
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Yeah. I didn't get the administrative agenda thing.And looking to set up officals for potential criminal prosecution.I usually try to keep my opinion center feild. Why was this response for me?
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Tom:
You were the one who said "there's no reason why there is no one affiliated (with the Village) answering questions on this blog if they watch it". I said there are several good reasons and cited them, the administrative "agenda" of this blog being one of them.
Jeff:
You can deny having an "agenda" all you like. My opponents have accused me of having an "agenda" from day one. It is clear to me from the topics you and Barry have focused on and the manner in which they are presented, which "camp" the administrators of this blog pitch tent in. (double entendre NOT intended)
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Hi Lisa,
No denial, just that your are incorrect in your assumption. I will not debate this with you since I owe you no explanation.
As I have stated many times it was the lack of information (or delivery of) that spawned this website and there are many other sites out there that provide the same service in other municipalites. I am glad to see that the Village will be "beefing up" their site shortly as I have been told. I would be happy to consult the Village if they need any direction in regards to the building/layout of the proposed site to help make it user friendly for all.
In the meantime it would be to their advantage to listen to some of the suggestions that have been made here by the residents and be pro-active in the resolution of some issues. There is a lot of good in here if you weed through some of the nonsense written. Intresting enough Lisa, some of which you have succesfully spun/written yourself. You need examples??
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Jeff Silver
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Hi Jeff,
Spin? Moi? Tsk tsk.....Sorry, but you hardly compare to my idol Bill O'Reilly's No Spin Zone.
I do love examples, but you said you weren't going to debate me. Do make up your mind, Jeff.
On a positive note, I am getting authorization from the American Red Cross to collect for the devastation befalling our Texas neighbors. Please give generously. I will set up in front of IGA on and off during the upcoming week. Let's show how much Bayville cares. God bless -
-Lisa
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I agree with Jeff that there is a paucity of information coming from Village Hall. The last newsletter was a chatty little thing but without much substance. The Village website still has the June issue posted. The new village website has been under construction for quite a few months.
As for PC and Steve's, it seems that no one has any idea of what is actually transpiring with those properties. It would be nice for an update from the Village but there may be nothing happening. We all have some idea of how long things take when the state, county or town gets involved.
As for issuing a summons because of violation of the Village Code: if the Village enforced the code there would be many unhappy campers. Just to cite an example, I've seen several driveways redone - widened and blacktopped. The code requires drainage, such as a dry well, to be installed. Instead the driveways are sloped towards the street so that runoff ends up on village roads. There is no enforcement.
As for voting, A large majority of people decided to sit out the last election.
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You won't get anything from me. As a former employee of the American Red Cross I can tell you flat out that they STEAL money. Whether it be raised money or money from the government through grants, it's being pocketed by at least one of their "directors". And you call ME paranoid, right? I have reason to be skeptical of politicians and non-profit organizations that are funded by our corrupt government. I question authority, unlike you and Bill O'Reilly!
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way to go Woody comparing people repaving their driveways to steves and pc brilliant just brilliant
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My point is that there are many violations of the Village code. Why would one expect that violations would be handed out to Steves.
Besides, maybe they have been cited. Incidentally, when I mention Steve's or PC to neighbors most of them couldn't care less.
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To Steve's Eye Sore:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have reason to be skeptical of politicians and non-profit organizations that are funded by our corrupt government. I question authority, unlike you and Bill O'Reilly!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
LOL! You don't know me very well, do you?
1. The American Red Cross is NOT funded/run by the U.S. government
2. There are bad apples in every organization. I'm sorry you happened to work with one of them. That doesn't make the entire organization bad.
3. BAYVILLE CARES! - Thank you Bayville residents for already contributing $250 in 3 short hours on Sunday. I will be in front of IGA the next two weekends on Sat. afternoon and Sunday morning collecting for hurricane relief.
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Stop the speculating about the abandoned restaurants. The next Village Board meeting will be held this coming Monday at 7:30 in Village Hall. After the meeting there is always a question and answer session. Ask the mayor for an update on the two properties.
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There were a lot of empty seats at the Village meeting this evening.
As for Steve's Pier, the new owner has expressed an intention to add a second story. There currently is a second story in place but it will be expanded. The village is expecting drawings a proposal to be filed in the next two weeks. After that public hearings must be held. The new restaurant would have a catering hall, public restaurant and retail stores.
The owner of the Poseidon property has applied to for a mixed use permit involving a new two story building - a medical office will be on the ground floor and apartments on the second floor. This involves more permits and the involvement of the state DEC. The mayor indicated that she and a trustee were at the site today meeting with the owner, whose name is Gallo. The doctor will not make a commitment until the building is up.
The old Pig and Whistle building will soon be reopening. The work is 90% complete.
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Woody thanks for posting. I wish I could have made it, but things come up when you have children. I found this on the internet. It's a general census of Bayville with demographics. Hope the link works:http://www.city-data.com/city/Bayville-New-York.html
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thanks for attending the meeting and reporting back for us, woody. I'm curious as to hwo 90% of the work on the Pig and Whistle can be completed when i don't recall seeing any construction trucks or workers down there at all over the last months. it looks just as abandoned as ever, from the outside.
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I also thought the Pig and Whistle looked abandoned. The mayor was very sure of her estimate.
The former Poseidon property has to deal with the state DEC because of the proposed added living premises. This could delay the project for a long time because the DEC moves very slowly.
Incidentally, I asked the Mayor about the apparently empty building which is on Ludlum Avenue across from the little mall. She told me that the building has been occupied since day one. The owner lives on Center Island and uses one office and decided not to rent the rest of the space. That is why it is empty.
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I see that west harbor is being paved, I have attended the last 6 board meetings and attended a board back in May or June and the issue was placed on hold pending an agreement by the village residents. Does anyone know when the village board and the mayor voted on the final plans, and also are municipalities required to get 3 bids for all contracted work. If anyone knows any of these answer maybe they could respond. Thanks
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what happened to the bike path on West Harbor?
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To we the people-
This is a wonderful idea. I'm glad that you and the BCC are taking on this initiative. Too bad the Village of Bayville does not have the foresight to create such a program. This administration has become stale.
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Great initiative, the village board once again promise that they were going to develop a new website for the village, once again the current board did not come through on their promise, they only cater to the seniors, maybe the mayor does not understand the power of the internet...we need change in 2010
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Am I the only one who is starting to get a little pissed off about the traffic and parking situation caused by the Scream Park? Have any of you driven by the park at around 7:30-10:00 on a Friday or Saturday night? Bayville Ave turns into a parking lot. The traffic starts on the west side of the motel (before the bend)and ends at Bayville Park Blvd where people are starting to park past the "private road residents only" signs. Not one single Nassau County Police cruiser was anywhere to be found, and not 1 single employee of the park was out there directing traffic. It was complete mayhem. Not to mention the fact that I hear that they got permission to use the nature preserve for a "new attraction". Is this legal? Did the mayor get paid off again? I tell you this, if I don't see an improvement in the traffic and parking situation, I'm calling the authorities and I'm having this village investigated.
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I was at the meeting where the new attractions were approved and both the ice skating rink and rock climbing facility will be on the existing park grounds.
There was a lively discussion at that meeting about the park expansion and parking in particular was mentioned.
It was mentioned that parking along Bayville Avenue is regulated by the county and is public parking open to anyone. The beach parking is open to cars with a TOBAY sticker.
I agree that the police should ticket illegal parking.
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I would also highlight my concern about the parking on Bayville Park Boulevard. Last year, there were cars parked way up the street in high season - almost as far as Highland View Drive. Bavville Park Boulevard is a private road, the paving of which is paid for by its residents (is it not? Its cross streets certainly are). It is not lit. This raises several concerns: noise, home (and vehicle) security and safety of pedestrians among them. As a resident of this area with small children, and knowing that most who park in this manner are "out of towners" and often return from the Scream Park via the pubs, this does bother me. This parking is uncontrolled.
Mark
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I was told that they have cut a "Corn Maze" into the existing vegitation behind the park. Isn't that protected by the DEC as a wildlife area? Not to mention that it is pretty muddy back there which could pose a saftey issue to the guests that do not know any better.
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Anonymous, This is exactly what I'm talking about. If they were given the OK by this village to conduct business in a DEC protected area..there's going to be a major problem. Especially, If I don't see some type of improvement this Friday and Saturday night on the parking/traffic situation. I shouldn't have to wait in 10 minutes of traffic to get home from work. I know it's all innocent holiday spirited fun, but what's fair is fair, right?
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Mark - the concept of private roads came up when we, on our street, were cited by the village because of the poor repair of our road. Most roads in Bayville are privately owned and maintained public thoroughfares. A private road receives no Village services - such as plowing or garbage pickup. There are very few private roads in Bayville.
Barry Lamb can give you much more information on the subject.
I want to amend my previous post about the village approving the two winter attractions. I was at the hearing. I assume the approval was done in executive session.
As for there being a corn maze, there is a village meeting next Monday at 7:30 pm. The best thing to do to end speculation is go to the meeting and ask the mayor. That is the easiest way to dispel or verify rumors.
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Woody, all due respect. Asking the Mayor questions regarding the corn maze will get us nowhere if she is indeed part of the problem.
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Like someone said, Bayville park Blvd is a private road, but open to the public, the best thing to do is petition the mayor and the board to allow no parking on bayville park blvd between the hours of 9-12 Friday- sat and sun. you could also request the village to have the car towed at the owners expense. the only problem is that it would effect the residents, the rest of the year. The village should require the bayville scream park to adequate parking, if not the then the cream park should destinate an additional parking area and offer buses. The fire house does this, I'm sure if the scream park was located on the east side the village, the mayor would be pretty pissed off about outer towers parking on her street. The residents of PBP should not be inconvined at the cost of big commercial businesses. If you are concerned with the parking on BPB, then call the mayor, she needs to hear your concerns, Thanks
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Woody, all due respect. Asking the Mayor questions regarding the corn maze will get us nowhere if she is indeed part of the problem.
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Just a few notes:
1) The Village does have a new wesite, it is a different address.
2) Bayville PArk Blvd, is a "private" road that received a bond to be repaved with the aide of the Village.
3) "Private" roads in this Village are misnamed. They are truly not "private", they are abandoned roads that are up to the homeowners on that street to upkeep with regards to maintainence. Ask the Village to explain this in detail, I have been present when this answer was given by the Mayor herself.
3) The people who live on these private roads should look at their deeds, they do not own up to the center of the road. There are a few roads in twon that are truly Private.
4) With regards to the scream park, the park does not do that much business throughout the year, this man needs to cover his costs otherwise we are all going to be stuck with an Out of Business eyesore! The Halloween season is only a few weeks long, let him make his $$ then.
As far as the parking, this time of year you do not need a TOB sticker to park in those beach lots. How about using the Bayville auxillary police to monitor traffic?
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Bay Momma, You must live on a President Street where everything is peaches and roses. If you lived on or off of Bayville Park Blvd you would be singing a different tune...trust me.
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I, too am a Bayville mom who was born and raised here myself. I do live on a President street- FYI it is NOT all "peaches and roses" here either. The Bayville Fire company has purchased property on Quincy Ave south recently. This "residential" property now houses a firetruck & BF Co. bus in the driveway. It is rumored that the house will be torn down and replaced with an additional parking lot for the fire house. While this seems like a zoning impossibility, I am not surprised. If anyone has info on how to prevent this from drastically lowering the value of our homes on these "private" president streets, I would greatly appreciate it.
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Wow bay Momms, steve's eyesore is right, your singing a different tune when it effects you. Screw the guy that owns the scream park, his has done nothing for the village, examples, donate money to any organization that involves bayville residents (ie baseball, soccer, oak neck and the list goes on and on) so as for the scream park, screw him and his customers. As for the BFC, you may want to look at, commercial trucks parked on residential property, not sure of the regulation, but that might be something to consider. As far as the village floating a bond, wow, big deal, they will get the money and they did, how if the village assisted with the paving of the road that would be great. Get you priorities straight. The village likes to give you lip service, they are masters at this. We only have 21 more months of VS and then its time to kick you out of there.
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Bayville MOm,
You should go to a village meeting and discuss this openly. As far aas the commercial vehicles, if they are under a certain weight, which I am sure some of those trucks are, or do not have a truck chasis, they can be parked in residential areas.
To everyone else, I live in Bayville Park Blvd. area.
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why dont all of you move to centre island if you are so unhappy with what goes on in bayville? sounds like a simple solution- right?
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First let me say that I love Christmas time. But, are you people with those reindeer antlers on either side of your car serious? I almost threw up seeing them today in Bayville.
Also, can the people who were in charge of putting up the new steel fence around Steve's please take down the ugly orange one now?
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Saw the reindeer antlers on a red mini---so cute!!!
Real estate sales
33 BAYVILLE AVE
Bayville, NY 11709
Property class: Restaurants
Date of sale: Aug. 11, 2008
Sales price: $3,250,000
Seller: PIER ONE ON THE SOUND LLC
Buyer: BAYVILLE ON THE SOUND ONE, 33 BAYVILLE AVE, BAYVILLE, NY
School District: Locust Valley
Village: Bayville
County: Nassau
Total assessed value: $27,581
Village assessed value: $27,581
Deed date: Aug. 29, 2008
Number of parcels: 3
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Hey Rezzzident, thanks for posting the update! Doesn't mean I have to agree with you liking the antlers though. lol. Merry Christmas.
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The mayor announced at the Village meeting last night that phase two of the West Harbor Drive "traffic calming" will soon begin. The remainder of the grant, $273 thousand plus, was awarded to a contractor who will put in bike lanes, a new sidewalk and wheel chair accessibility ramps (required by Federal law for new construction) and more lining on the roadway.The idea to have planters in the center median was tabled because residents along the drive didn't want them.
In a move destined to aggravate boat owners, owners who use electricity at the slip previously paid $25 a season. They will now pay $10 a foot. There are boat owners who run AC on their boats continually, even if they are not using the boat for a good period of time; the village is paying for the electricity and it is a lot more than $25 for a season. This $10 price was established after calls were made to other marinas - most charge more. The Village also is going to have to spend $45,000 to upgrade the electric wiring on the docks.
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Just my two cents: I know that the people who run the bus yard next to the IGA have been Bayville residents for a long time. I'm also aware that residents have tried to move the yard out of Bayville...to no avail. But I MUST say this. The bus yard AND the old age home RUIN Bayville for a number of reasons. I know about the jobs and revenue they create but what they also create is a major headache for anyone living in this town. Why is there a bus yard and an old age home in such a small town?? I will never figure it out. Aesthetically, It doesn't work and never will. They are both eye sores. So now we have the home, the yard, Steve's, P-Cove, and L&Maxies to deal with. Bayville is becoming uglier and uglier as the years go by. And we all wonder why the property values will never go up? Look no further than the the stretch of land from Luca's to the old age home. And please spare me the "recession excuse". Because if that is the problem then what is the excuse for the last few years? Thanks for letting me rant!
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I'm happy to report that the owners of the old Steve's property actually have began to bulldoze the Pier 1 building. Thank you to the new owners for removing an eye sore. Now everyone sing in praise: Hallelujah, Hallelujah!!!
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Here's hoping they don't run out of money half way through!
Mark
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Steve's Eye Sore
I did not grow up in Bayville but know for a fact that this community has grown in beauty.
It was once an eye sore but with new homeowners and young families the community has cleaned up from the once "BAR" community it was.
The corner near the gas station was an old gas station over grown and abandoned.
The amusement park, newly owned, was once a parasitic pond.
There were maybe 7 bars in town that once were very busy and I believe there was once a contest going from bar to bar in a certain amount of time.
Jones Manor needs some sprucing up but to say that this community does not need an adult home is just ignorant.
The bus station is a lot nicer than it ever was.
Where do you think you live anyway?
Maybe you should keep your two cents to yourself or move to Middle Island where there are more of your kind.
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"The bus station is a lot nicer than it ever was.
Where do you think you live anyway?
Maybe you should keep your two cents to yourself or move to Middle Island where there are more of your kind."
Typical north shore elitist attitude. This is a blog where you share your two cents, not keep them to yourself. You have no idea who or what "kind" of person I am. I was simply stating that in such a small village, bus yards and adult homes should not exist. Oh, and NO bus stations are nice aesthetically......none!
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"Typical north shore elitist attitude."
I see that you are able to self reflect and identify yourself.
Now move on from your north shore elitist attitude and enjoy Bayville for its beauty and that it is a great community
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I HAVE A QUESTION,???
in regards to the legality of parking your car or work van on your front lawn..
.right on top of your grass on the front lawn!! just a few feet from your front windows..
you do have a driveway, a garage, but you decide to park your van ON the lawn......is this legal?.
.since this is the Village Aesthetics site, i hope someone can tell me if this is legal in Bayville..???.
.thanks... a.
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It is very common for cars, boats, even trucks, to be parked on lawns in front of houses in Bayville. The houses on Mountain Avenue, across from the elementary school have, for the most part, pavement instead of lawn.
There is something in the Village Code that relates to this. I'll look it up and post it here.
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You can access the complete Village Code by going to the village website: www.bayvilleny.gov. Once you have the website loaded go to the tab on the left that says "home." After you click on that, click on "links" and that will take you to the Village Code.
You can also save yourself time by stopping in to the Village Building Department and speaking with Jim Goolsby, the building inspector. He'll send the compliance officer out to investigate.
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woody....thank you for your time and help, with my question on the legality of parking on front lawns...you have been very helpful....its most aprreciated. thank you.
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Steve's pier is an awful mess, the building has been demolished, but the actual funds for the erection of a new building have not been secured yet. The new owner has not secured the proper funds yet. I'm shocked that the village board allowed the property owner to tear down the building without a written commitment from a bank. This is an outrage. Its just typical politics for the village, they see a problem and try to band-aid the issue. residents complained about the appearance, so when someone purchased the property and verbalized an interest in developing into something the village pressured the owner to demolish the property. Now we are going to be stuck with a LOT AND A GREAT VIEW. As for the other three eye sores, the plans change every time you attend a village board meeting. First it was a restaurant, then condos then a medical office with apartments. Come on, this ridiculous. The village should be advocating for development, instead their are trying to macro manage the existence of capitalizism. Let the property owners build what they want to build, as long as its not a whore house or topless bar I'm all for it. Now the west harbor project, what a waste of taxpayers money, this concept of making lines and decreasing lanes did not work. The drivers still speed, and now they have move room to weave. i was walking on west harbor the other night and the cars were exceeding the speed limit. Great idea, this money should have been earmarked for a different reason. I'm sure we could have utitilized the money for a different civil project. Lets get rid of the existing board, in 2010, we need someone that understands how to execute development, someone that understands how pull resources in and navigate through BS politics. Someone that is going to advocate for the residents.
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No one is ever happy in this town! The building was a mess and people were complaining and now its knocked down and still more complaining! My guess is they took the building down because it was falling down and certainly was more dangerous being left unkept and falling apart. I would much rather look at the beautiful LI Sound in the meantime rather than a mess of a building.
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Jen, I agree one hundred percent. People were complaining about an eyesore with boarded up windows. I would imagine the owner would want to demolish the property to avoid lawsuits because there had been vandalism.
Often, when I read postings on this blog I am reminded of a song once sung by Groucho Marx in one of his movies, the title being: "Whatever it is, I'm against it."
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Can people please be more responsible about picking up after their dogs ! There is dog crap literally all over this town and it makes me sick . Maybe our village constable who is so fond of righting tickets could get in the act and write a few summonses to these pigs.As to that loser who was talking on his cell phone walking his boxer around 10:30 I'm sorry I had my kids with me or I would have politely asked you to pick it up. As for me I'm a dog owner who likes dogs more than I do most people,,,
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The village website has two items of interest posted and both deal with the Planning Committee. One deals with 282 Bayville Avenue which is going to be the home of the First National Bank of Long Island. The other deals with the developmnet of 22 Bayville Avenue. I'm not sure but that might be the former Poseidon address. The meeting will be held Tuesday evening, the 21st.
The regular village meeting will deal with the budget for next year.
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Dear KM,
I agree with you- it is absolutely disgusting. West Harbor just had that beautiful walkway put in, and already there is poo all over the place. I'm going to call Vicky and see if more signs can be put up. I never see it happening, but how arrogant these dog owners must be to just leave the stuff there for kids to step in. Call town hall, too.
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well today i spotted a man walking his boxer on bayville ave. as i headed to p.o..about l130am....well u will be glad to know he had the boxers poo in a plastic bag,however, as he walked along he threw the poo bag in someones blue recycling container!!! honest!! i was amazed that this guy would just throw the crap and think it was ok, that the resident would wouldnt mind some boxer crap in his little recycling box!!!!! what is he thinking??? how about the town constable,cruise up and down bayville ave, for a while,it might help ...who knows?
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Why don't you just stop complaining and bickering, then give the land to the State and have them pay to make it a State Park..? This way you can have all of the trash bused out from NYC on weekends like they do at "Sunken Ghetto State Park". Oh my bad, I meant to say "Sunken Meadow State Park"!!!
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The village planning board will be meeting July 13th to review the site plan for 24 Bayville Avenue - formerly the Poseidon Restaurant.
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Is there a way to stop this spam from entering the list or maybe block this stuff . They have to subscribe right?
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The Planning Board met last night - all trustees and the mayor were present. The architect hired to design the building to replace the Poseidon handed out blueprints and had a large rendering of the building on an easel. Basically the planned building will be two stories - a medical suite downstairs and three apartments upstairs.
To get the permits the County Department of Health, the DEC and the Town of Oyster Bay must all approve the plan.
The plans had been changed so that the facade of the new building would be similar to the new bath house built on Ransom beach. The mayor pointed out to the architect that the new plans submitted didn't show the location of new cesspools, dry-wells for water run off and the location of garbage dumpsters. The mayor asked where the "red Bag" waste from the medical building would be stored.
One resident voiced concerns about waste going into the wet lands and another felt that the village didn't need another two story building.
The mayor commented that the building's owner had indicated that the village was dragging their feet but she said that, again, the architect had not submitted completed plans or had getten all the proper approvals.
The meeting was adjourned with no approvals. It's back to the drawing board for the architect.
Incidentally, the mayor said that having a medical building would be good for the Village since their are currently no doctors practicing in Bayville. One doctor in the group will be a pediatrician who the mayor felt would be really welcome by many residents with children.
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Took my regular stroll tonight down to Ransom Beach to watch the sun set fire to New Haven. Thought I'd have a Martini at the Poseidon and a bite at Luca & Maxies on the way back but it must be a Monday, they were closed.
But why, oh why, are we still looking at dual Steve's Pier One signs? Is there concern that people will never again find Bayville Park Boulevard if they are removed?
Do tell, someone...
Mark
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The carwash idea has been around since I was a kid. Even back in the 1970's there were environmental concerns. Work lofts are a possible solution to keeping some kind of business in town, but that is still seasonal. The same issues keep recycling through time after time.
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When did Bayville become a dump/ transfer station for garbage? There are overflowing dumpsters on a property on Ludlam Avenue! Is that even legal? And even better to look at as I leave and return to Bayville everyday! Who is resposable? Take it away already!!!!!!
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Call the village and report the dumpster, the village will have the property owner either cover it or remove it.
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Can`t wait to we say goodbye to you, sorry your leaving( not really)
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Well yet another dya of looking at the overflowing dumpster, It is Illegal to do what that person has done, by asking around I found that a dumpster business is being run out of there, Is there proper permits for that I doubt it but anything goes here in Beautiful Bayville by the sea or not.
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I'm surprised that no one has commented about the billboard erected on the Steve's Pier None, er One, site. It shows a rendition of the planned "Spa and Wellness Center." What happened to the restaurant, catering hall plan?
There is also a drawing of the structure planned on Ludlum where the restaurant burned down. That site definitely needs something.
I wonder what will happen to the former Bank of America location? Bayville briefly had two banks; now we're down to one again.
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Just saw an article in the OB Guardian about the proposed Spa and Wellness, it said that their will also be catering. At first glance it looks nice. Big. but nice if it falls within code.
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I guess I need my glasses changed. The sign does mention "waterside catering." As for code, plans are available in the building department; you'd have to ask to see them but they are public records. also, remember that Steve's Pier was a two story structure,
I also noticed that a candy store has opened across the street-I think at #16. It would have been nice to see a mention in the latest village newsletter.
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I did notice the sign at the former steves pier lot. I personally would not get my hopes up on anything going up there too quickly. remember we have an election coming up in june and it's better to have a 'plan' than nothing else. remember back at the last mayoral election they were promising all sorts of stuff at the poseidon/luca and maxie's site? it's been 3 years and nothing has come to pass.
as far as the artists rendering for hte empty lot left by the fire on ludlam avenue....those two garage doors are atrocious and cheap looking.better suited to an industrial area, not facing a main thoroughfare in a town. where is the ZBA????? and it's a small lot, with apartmeents upstairs, if the front of the building has two garage doors, where are the people who live upstairs going to park??? that lot is about wide enough that two garage doors would stretch across it.
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when will things really change,
It's been 8 years since 9/11 and we still have a big hole in the ground.
Blame the lawyers and the bankers.
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Lisa, I was not directly blaming anyone. I am certain that there are huge hurdles to overcome with regard to all those sites down by the stands, particularly environmental ones.
I just htink that unless you've got approved plans, financing and DEC permits, it's disingenous to put up a big fancy rendering of what you WANT to build.
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Disingenuous? To put up a picture of what you "hope" something will "change" into? Would you rather see graffiti? I personally hadn't noticed the picture, too much on my mind lately, but I'll have a look at it later. Then I'll give you my honest critique.
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I'm glad to see that residents are talking about the mayor and her party. they have done nothing but given you broken promises, nothing that they promised you in the last two election have come through. its the mayor fault, they would should be mentoring the land owners through this process. the administration has to take an interest in the development of its village. when mayor s leaves it will be a bright day. she washed up and stagnate. she planning her days out of office. it took her 6 1/2 years to update the village website, i can have a website built in 8 hours, the resident should be searching for a replacement, please do not let the mayor endorse one of her puppets, because there will be no change, we do not need a lawyer in the office, we need someone with a business background, one last question, where does all the monies that the village receives from their rentals go, the village owns land in bayville I believe the post office, the meat market building and the bridge marina.
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# when will things really change wrote:
Lisa, I was not directly blaming anyone. I am certain that there are huge hurdles to overcome with regard to all those sites down by the stands, particularly environmental ones.
"I just htink that unless you've got approved plans, financing and DEC permits, it's disingenous to put up a big fancy rendering of what you WANT to build.
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# Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:17 PM
Why do you assume that there are no plans or the owners have no financing? I've been to village meetings where that site and its development was discussed.
The DEC is a big stumbling block; permits move at a snail's pace and because it's going to be a spa I'm sure that the County Health department also was involved.
The plans for the new building on the Poseidon location just received Nassau Department of Health approval for the medical offices that will be on the first floor. Once the village accepts the final plans, the owners will be able to start constuction.
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Am considering moving to this beautiful town but have no experience with cesspools. Can anyone tell me what I might expect from such a system?
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stopthemadness,
When you speak of a cesspool, are you referring to the Bayville Blog, or an actual septic system?
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Lisa I believe she is speaking of the cesspool on Mountain ave between the church and the school, (or otherwise called the Mayors office) Just kidding
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I meant an actual septic system--how it works, how it breaks down; how it's fixed.
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To the guy who hangs the seasonal decorations on the side of his house with the spotlight directed on it......you are awesome!! The house which is right on the first bend on Bayville Ave after you pass the chinese take-out shopping center (going west)just hung his pumpkin and my kids love it. So here's to you sir. Thank you for doing this year after year.
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I agree, my kids love it too!
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Thirded, wholeheartedly. Having just stumbled over racks and racks of Christmas decorations in Walmart yesterday on one of my compulsory Hot-Wheels-buying excursions (at only a dollar a pop, how can you not? - they keep the littl'un amused for hours) I am glad to see that at least in Bayville someone knows what actual season it is
Mark
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Hmm---decorations on the side of the house, Spotlights too! Where are the neighbors to complain about this nuisance? Do they have a permit? Did they get approvals? No wonder Bayville is going downhill.
Seriously, it is nice to see some positive comments in this blog, rather than the acrimony and rancor that often takes place. Bravo for the decorations; the village needs more residents like this.
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Well you know Woody, if the homeowner decided to place a picture of Barack Obama on the side of his house....this town would be in an uproar. The demonstrations would begin immediately and they would be led by none other than the Bayvilleblog's own....Lisa McLaughlin. I agree with Woody. We all need to lighten up around here.
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yea that Lisa's really against personal freedoms, moron put up your BO poster it'd make a great target for eggs on halloween ..
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last time i looked liberty is what lisa is fighting for!
i also see lots of decorations around town, you just have to get out and look.
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ROTFLMAO! I'd LOVE to see a HUGE Barack Hussein Obama on the side of someone's house for several reasons:
1. It immediately identifies a mush-brained individual/family living there that I know not to give the time of day to.
2. A public display of idiocy should be pitied, not punished
3. Fewer cars would get egged on Halloween as it would make a much better target.
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Hey "awfulness" -
Just curious, why did you have to turn a nice thread nasty? Did that make you feel like a bigshot? Feel good about yourself? Go away before someone drops a house on you!
I'd like to add that I too, like the big pumpkin and seasonal decorations that I believe it is Ellie who lovingly places on her home. God bless, and thank you for bringing a smile to our village.
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Pat it's called sarcasm, now go take a walk and get some fresh air. lol
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>>>>1. It immediately identifies a mush-brained individual/family living there that I know not to give the time of day to.
2. A public display of idiocy should be pitied, not punished>>>>
As usual, more McLoughlin hogwash says more about the author than the subject! So much for democracy! Bow to the great Glenn Beck! Grab your guns and tea bags! Follow the revolting Lisa... er, follow Lisa in revolt!
Mark
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Mark,
>>>>>>>>>As usual, more McLoughlin hogwash says more about the author than the subject! So much for democracy!>>>>>>>
Once again, you exhibit your classical Liberal cognitive dissonance. I encourage artistic freedom, freedom of speech and the right to peacefully assemble. These are fundamental Constitutional rights that all American citizens should enjoy. Nowhere, did I suggest that a larger than life icon of The One be prohibited from being placed on the side of a home. Nowhere did I state that this form of expression should be suppressed. You and your comrade "Awsomeness" seek to portray me as someone who would oppose such a display, fight to get it taken down and destroy "democracy". These are weasel tactics. Do not attempt to misrepresent my commitment to our Constitution, liberties and freedoms again.
KM -
Pat's a good guy! Be nice!
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Looks like it's the Liber-loons who want to restrict freedom of speech:
http://www.kctv5.com/news/21176602/detail.html
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km
i know i'm on your side
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What the big deal about having a chain-smoking foreign born Muslim as president? Give him a chance. Why don't you folks lighten up.
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>>>>>i know i'm on your side>>>>>>>
Make no mistake about it, it will come down to sides. The question is, do you want to be on the RIGHT side of history?
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Oh, and Bayville ladies ONLY - those of you who believe in the 9 Principles and 12 Values of the 9/12 project, I urge you to join the Sisterhood of the Mommy Patriots at: As A Mom http://asamom.ning.com/
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I'm sorry Pat I know we really both agree on this one .
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why isn't one of the virtues patriotism?
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Patriotism is the result of virtues. Read "The 5000 Year Leap". It helps to understand why we are where we are.
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every time i try to pick up a book i have to put the bridge up - then I have to put it back down! i must have put it up and down 500 times today it was such a nice day. i can't read anything except in the winter - i will try to read it then - i hope it doesn't take as long to read as the title implies.
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Easy read. Makes you realize how they knew then ,when they wrote the constitution, this would probably happen( modern economics).
Tom
PS Winters around the corner.
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Tom,
The 5,000 Year Leap is on my list. I just finished Liberty and Tyranny and am making my way through Liberal Fascism.
Enjoy this video - it has THE BEST overview shot of the 9/12 DC crowd that I have seen!
http://www.vimeo.com/6822666
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Lisa,
Thanks for the link. I'll never forget that day. I know you were there but how ever many people were there( a mil I think) you had to hear everyone singing the national anthem together. No recording can justify.
I tried L&T I'm just not smart enough (ADHD)so I lost interest.
Thanks
Tom
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Tom,
Then definitely don't try Liberal Fascism, it's a very detailed read and about 3x as long as L & T ... You might want to try and get it on audio.
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Hey Lisa, do you want to go pumpkin smashing with me this Halloween? I heard there are a few people in Bayville with Bar-ack O Lanterns on their porch. What do you think?
By the way, good job getting the word out on the IB program on Glen Beck. I'm not a huge fan of his but it was great that you used his show to get the word out.
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Barack O Lantern:
http://www.goodgourd.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/barack.jpg
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You betcha, Patriot! Just as long as there aren't any Michelle-O-Lanterns around because that woman scares the heck out of me! I bet Mark has one, do ya Mark? Huh? Huh?
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/22/this-pumpkin-pattern-does-not-help-my-kids/
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Look Patriot! There's an entire
Yes We Carve website! You see that 2nd pumpkin on Malkin's website? That's how I feel.... LOL
http://yeswecarve.com/
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just make sure you two obey all the halloween rules and regulations especially the curfew!
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pat,
Don't you think it's time Bayville revoked that Halloween curfew? Isn't it time to see if kids and parents can exhibit some personal responsibility? If they can't and there is major destruction and fights, then it goes back into effect. But I feel like the children of Bayville have been punished long enough, especially since Halloween falls on a Saturday this year. At the very least, push the time back to 9:00 PM.
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yes i do! 9pm is a good time even if a curfew is in effect! i miss the trick or treaters
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9/12 project. It Ain't Me, Babe. One thing is for sure-You can't teach an old dogma new tricks.
Let's see-America is good (as in well-behaved? or as in not great, but not bad?) or as in this is a nonsensical 3word sentence. what I suspect somebody meant is that the principles and concepts upon which this country was built are excellent ideas, and should be kept-you think? Besides- America? North America includes Canada and America in general might need to include Central and South America. Nobody means that, I am sure.
So, assuming the U.S. of A. accentuated the positive,#1 perhaps might be "The United States of America was built on a series of positive ideas, especially the idea offreedom (for all-incidentally)and I will pay my taxes to support the government that continues to to support freedom and the principles etc etc.
Uh-oh.
This is why groups and joiners and recruiters like 3 word messages. America is good. Because if you seriously believe in the framework of the constitution, your support of the people in power may not be as easy as supporting "America is good." That's out the window.
Moving on
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
Come on. Everyone knows that God is a woman (how else were mothers made in her image...)and if god is the center of anybody's life it's cloistered nuns, Bhuddist Monks, all those types. Not you and me. Shop for the latest fashions? Not too god centered. Had sex for any reason other than to procreate?
you get the picture. Bob Dylan said it pretty well in "With God on Our Side." The Taliban finds its young suicide bombers easily, and you know their appeal-they have Allah on their side.
so-#2 is a problem.
Here is the thing:there is no simple three word slogan to make any of us right or wrong. Do the best you can. Fight for what you believe in, but fight fair. The communists aren't even so much there anymore, much less enemies, but was it so bad to want some of the wealth and power if you are 80% of the people? That was what Karl Marx called for-a more even playing field; that royalty and those who inherited shouldn't be the only ones making the decisions. Marxism just didn't work.People seem to always crave power. For instance...
There are some people in this town who believe they should be able to change the rules to suit themselves. Why? Because they have more money. That just isn't right.
I hope I made some sense here.
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The Poseidon project and the new building for the former Steve's Pier site are both on the Monday meeting agenda. It should be an interesting meeting.
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No, Lisa, sadly not. I'm still trying to model a Lisa-O-Lantern that I can hang somewhere appropriate but some of my neighbors are concerned that it might frighten their children
Mark
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Question, if Doug Watson wins the TOB Councilman election does he have to step down from his Village Trustee post, and if so, does there need to be special election or does the village wait until June 2010
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That wasn't very nice, Mark. But I'll be sure to name my scarecrow with its head stuffed full of straw - Mark.
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At last night's meeting Al Stabb was appointed as a replacement trustee for John Laurine who is or has moved. He will run on the 2010 ticket if he wishes, with the other incumbants wishing to seek office again.
Doug Watson's spot if vacated would also be another position the Mayor can fill by appointing a new member for the remainder of the term which is only a few months.
I do not know if Doug can serve out his term and hold the town council position at the same time.
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Does anyone have any information about the Poseidon Cove and Steve's Pier plans? I know the Board was going to hear final presentations and then either approve or disapprove both projects. With approval both buildings can officially go forward.
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Both approved as far as I could ascertain at the meeting, Woody. Some caveats as one would expect but basically both welcomed and no voices of dissent.
Now for Luca and Maxies...
Mark
Mark
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Thanks Mark for the update. I'm told that there was an article about the meeting in the current Oyster Bay Guardian.
I have one thought about the building on the Pier I site. It is supposed to have a gym and spa. It seems to me that the Crescent also had a pool and gym when it opened and that both are gone.
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I actually raised that point at the meeting, Woody; that is, does the village know what the alternative use for the building would be (i.e. is there a Plan B for the structure) were the spa concept to fail?
The answer given by the Mayor was that any change of use would require a separate submission to the Village; in other words, the village is approving what is on the table now, not what might be.
So if it fails as a spa, we have another catering hall with accommodation and possibly some retail outlets. I wish them luck, as anything is better than a hole in the ground, but it seems to me to be a tough time to be launching a luxury business in Bayville.
Perhaps, things will have picked up by the time it's built!
Mark
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The village should not be involved in the operation of free market. If the original plans call for a spa and catering the owner scraps the spa, the village should just mind it own business and just support the investor. Mark, you are very negitive and its people like you that want to control every movment that outside investor want to make, lets be positive and wish the owner the best of lucky, your negitive coments only add fuel. Please stay focus on the bigger picture, that is we are moving forward with construction and losing the major eye sores.
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I guess with Doug Watson losing the Town Counsel election Bayville is stuck with him.
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Stuck, but just for now. He has nothing to offer, therefore he did not win. Doug was recently quoted in an article: “If this were a job interview, I’d have the job, but it’s an election and I have to be elected.” Guess the people did not share his enthusiasm. Thank god for the electoral process.
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in and out... very negative? Surely not. Just realistic. Are you saying you'd be perfectly happy to have a "Gentleman's Club" or such like there as long as the building were pretty? I think not. I understand perfectly well that it is not the village's job to approve the applicant's business plan; but some idea of what it's based on would not be a bad idea.
Anonymous x2.. as usual, so easy to criticise those with a name when you don't post one yourself, is it not? Ah well. We don't have to attach any importance to your posts on that basis, so we'll live with it, I guess.
Mark
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in and out... very negative? Surely not. Just realistic. Are you saying you'd be perfectly happy to have a "Gentleman's Club" or such like there as long as the building were pretty? I think not. I understand perfectly well that it is not the village's job to approve the applicant's business plan; but some idea of what figures it's based on would not be a bad idea to have. No one wants to see yet another failed business in town. Note, please, that I did wish them luck. I live here too, and would like to see the Ransom Beach strip become what it should be.
Anonymous x2.. as usual, so easy to criticise those with a name when you don't post one yourself, is it not? Ah well. We don't have to attach any importance to your posts on that basis, so we'll just have to live with them, I guess.
Mark
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Sorry about the double post... this blog is forever telling me the security code doesn't match, etc., forcing a resubmission.
Mark
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Mark, a mans club or topless joint would require a different permit, that permit is issued through the county and then the village has the right to deny or accept. So once again you are wrong, the ability of a property owner to change the makeup of their businiess does have some limits. free market needs to exist without a simple village administration interjecting their view and opinions. The the time and energy that our administration spends on trying to deny private business owners from creating a new business is ridiculous. Mark, stand up for the free market, mind your own business and support creative thinking.
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dear anonymous,
Surely you understand that sociali-ts like Mark never see their warped thinking as "negative". In their minds, only Conservatives and those crazy Tea Party protesters are negative! Mark is "worried" about a gentleman's club which no doubt, he would frequent, when our former President and the lamestream media is going around maligning good patriots by calling us "tea baggers":
>>>>>>>>>Teabagging is also an erotic activity used within the context of BDSM and male dominance, with a dominant man teabagging his submissive partner as one variation of facesitting and/or as a means of inflicting erotic humiliation>>>>>>>>>
The hypocrisy of the Left is beyond the pale.
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facesitting huh? That is absolutely hilarious! lol
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Wow, the knives are out again around here, are they not? Funny how sensitive some people seem to be. I just wish it were possible to use this forum objectively without people hurling insults. But then that would spoil your fun, wouldn't it, Lisa?
So I'd frequent a Bayville Gentleman's Club? Now there's an idea. But I bow to your superior knowledge of peculiar sexual practices, and will leave all that to you, thanks.
Mark
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Mark,
Hey, you were the one wanting to scare off little children with my face on your Jack 'O Lantern. Don't whine about insults, when you hurled first.
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Wait, so there's a Bayville Gentleman's club?
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Tom,
Many years ago, I remember hearing that someone was trying to turn Mayo's into a gentleman's club. Now, I haven't been in Mayo's in over 30 years, but I don't think it ever came to fruition. (pardon the pun)
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I was just kidding . I've been here for over a half a century. But I would like to know, does anyone actually go to Mayo's?
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LOL! I have no idea. Is it still open for business? If it is, the owners must file with the IRS as a "hobby".
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Cool,
looks great...
Thanks for writing about it
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i was just wondering if the rumors of how the oak neck deli was put out of business by the owner of the bayville deli via the landlord friend of the bayville deli owner had any truth to them.
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Dave that is Capitalism at its best. If there is any truth to what you are saying then so be. Its a free market.
Residents of bayville, please take time out of your busy day to Nassau County Department Highway Department to complain about the 423 potholes or cracks in Bayville. I spent 4 hours on Friday walking from stands to centre island, I counted every hole or crack, took a picture and sent all that information to NCHD. The road is un-drivable, especially for bikers, skaters and soon for walkers. Multiple residents of bayville have received flat tires from the potholes and or cracks, if you are one of those residents you can submit the tire bill to the county for review. The county may reimburse you for your flat tire. It would be cheaper for the county to spend the money necessary repair the roads then pay for everyones flat tire. Did anyone receive the village new letter, are they kidding me, it looked like it was written by a third grader. I'm was so embarrassed, I had to throw it in the garbage, I was afraid that family or friend visiting would see this newsletter. we are overdue for a new mayor.
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Seems like we are overdue for some new residents too, Carl. Any chance your house will be for sale too and you and your negativity will be gone?
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Carl,if I were you I wouldn't let friend or family read what you wrote; newletter instead of newsletter and I'm was so embarrassed....if that's not the pot calling the kettle black, nothing is...Vickie has done more for this village than any mayor we have had in a long, long time...Remember, you know what you have, you don't know what you will get..
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Carl,
You are right about the street! Thanks for taking the time to asses the damage and send it in! I hope something is done about the road!!
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Hey Carl, are you one of these Bayville guys with too much time on your hands? It sure sounds like it to me. 4 hours of inspecting one road in Bayville on a weekday? You're just like most of the men in this town who don't work, and don't do anything but complain. Get a life.
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To Timewatcher and haha, first of all its people like me you make things happen, do you think that the roads will get repaired by themselves. Its our responsilbilty as residents to identify an issue assess the situation and inform the responsible party. Its attitudes and comments like yours that are wasteful and meaningless. No I do not have much, but I think is important to have the roads repaired. i attempted to take my children ages 10 and 12 bike riding the other day, its to dangerous. Maybe you are both old and you do not walk or ride so this does not bother you. Lastly, I'm not selling my house or going anywhere, maybe its time like you two to pack up your things and check yourselves into a nursing home.
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I agree about the plethora of potholes. Looks like a good issue for the upcoming mayoral candidates to debate.
Keep in mind that Newsday reported a month ago how the county messed up with paperwork and lost a Federal grant to repave Jackson Avenue in Syosset - a road in much worse shape.
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Its attitudes and comments like yours that are wasteful and meaningless. No I do not have much, but I think is important to have the roads repaired.
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i would think the roads were damaged because of the extreme winter we had. snow, ice and plows tend to damage older roads.
i've noticed many roads outside of Bayville have also been damaged. i'm sure the county and village have noticed.
it is good that citizens do take the time to contact them. thanks Carl.
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i have no idea how in gods name you would allow such an embarrassment of a company into your chamber. Not just allowing but continuing their membership. After watching shame on you last night i actually feel bad for your fellow members after the chamber logo appeared on the screen. It is an tragedy that businesses that are trying to get positive publicity from this type of organization are dragged into this type of mess. The Executive officers which ironically include the owner of this company should especially be embarrassed that they allow this.
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Eh?
This blog gets more like "Alice in Wonderland" every day...
Mark
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To quote Alice: "curiouser and curiouser!"
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