Shhhh!!! Children Playing...
If you somehow missed the story about the Bayville parents that will be appearing in court tonight for their children making too much noise while playing, here is the Newsday article. The story has also had a lot of airplay on News 12 today at the top and bottom of the hour. The parents are due in Bayville Court tonight at 7PM to answer a noise complaint filed against them by a neighbor living behind them (with no children), saying that their children are too noisy while playing and swimming. Perhaps it’s time for adult only community?
More on this after tonight’s Court session...
Jeff S
This is by far the most insane thing I have read/heard about in many many years. This is what our society has come to?
You live in a small community with homes on small lots, you are going to hear kids playing.
Sad state of affairs if you ask me.
Secondly, how can the Village issue a citation for this - what is the violation? How 'loud' were the children? Do you have a decimle reader and does the Code establish a limit on the amount sound that is permissible?
If not, this thing should be thrown out and the person who actually issued the violation punished.
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Hey, Barry,
Children making noise? A summons issued for that? What’s happened to my beloved Bayville-by-the-Sea? The complainer should have lived on Hickory Road during the 1960s. That was noise! Listening to the ravings of the Britton, Sullivan, Pidgeon, Huvane, and other kids (plus the barking of unleashed dogs—heavens, unleashed dogs), parents had to close their windows on a hot summer’s day just to hear the other end of a phone conversation. Perhaps the Village of Bayville should pass a statute prohibiting children from having fun. But that would be discriminatory. Adults should be prohibited as well.
Best wishes from Hurricane Alley (a.k.a. Florida),
Bill Britton
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Insanity, pure insanity. Throws those kids in jail and lock up the key... playing outside?!?! in todays age... totally unfathomable. They need to be taught a serious lesson here about sitting quietly and watching tv instead of making a "ruckus" outside. Throw the book at 'em I say, a few days in jail with Paris Hilton will teach those young whipper snappers some respect for there elders.
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I am fully behind the kids on this issue. My neighborhood used to be quite loud with the sounds of kids running around and playing, thinking back on it now it makes me nostaglic for those carefree days. Now this man wants to squash that. You live in the suburbs pal, if you want that type of peace there are plenty of log cabins in the Adirondacks for you.
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Oh dear God, I completely agree with those two posts. The Kostakis should be punished for wasting village money and time on this. Congratulations all you(the Kostakis)will probably achieve is make yourselves look like
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Well then wait just a minute. You have to consider the other side. I mean sure Kostakis is causing a complaint, but the man does work 12 hours a day. Probably very hard too. He probably doesn't want much when he gets home then to eat and sleep, and these little things prevent him from getting the rest he needs. Maybe their yards are very close together and he plays and records music which requires silence.
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THe Village should be investigated for wasting tax payers money. Queen Victoria claims she had no knowledge of the summons. Clearly BS since she practically has a second residence at Tom Alfano's house on Peter Ave. Why wasn't the Queen there tonight, just like with the water dept problem shes no where to found. What kind of 24 hour mayor is she. She's watching out for us ha-ha I think she is anti children. Where is that skate board park she promised us five years ago. She does not want to see the children and apparently she does not want to hear them either.
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They must be running a lemonade stand out of the backyard! Damn entrepeneurs, they probably didn't have a permit either, better send the building inspect over there ASAP!
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Greg, if the guy wants to record music he can either sound proof his house (like you are supposed to) or rent time at a studio. I think the parents of the kids should offer him an apology and earplugs. After that kids are kids. Next the town is going to have hearings on kids playing sports or riding bikes in the streets. "They are obstructing my ability to drive 90 miles an hour through residential areas!"
Anyway shame on Bayville for letting this get out of hand, we are taking a beating on the Newsday.com (most viewed and emailed story). What a surprise.
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I fully expect this to hit fark.com any minute now. If he works a night job and sleeps during the day, its his choice and he is subject to what comes with that. If he works a day job, unless the kids are out back playing on a drumset at 11pm hes pretty much SOL. Frivolous complaints and lawsuits of this nature are what is turning America into a bleeding heart, nanny state, that suppresses the majority to please a tiny minority.
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Too late....
http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2879671
As one astute fark member posted:
"Once again, as long as the kids are only making noise during the day, cry me a river, build a bridge, and get OVER it."
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let me make sure i have this right... kids?... too noisy...while playing?this is the MOST ridiculous thing i have ever heard. we had a problem once with some (vulgar profane intoxicated)noisy neighbors and we were told as long as it is before 11pm there was nothing that could be done. i believe one of the officers went next door and asked them to ease up on the profanity because there was children right next door BUT THAT WAS IT. maybe at the next meeting i will call in a noise complaint against v seigel... just for opening her mouth. how could she let this happen? this is such a waste of time and money.
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My personal favorite..."I don't know the details of the case." Mayor Siegel, Newsday.
These parents are facing jail time and fines, but the esteemed Mayor does not know the particulars of the case in her own town.
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I have a question who hired this "code enforcement officer" who sends out letters like snow flakes in Feb I have personnel knowledge he quotes codes that don`t apply or are not relevant.Why do we have another paid enforcement officer is not that the building inspectors job?Our taxes go through the roof and services go down the drain,but we got flowers.My Bayville has gone,the people who wanted this to be just like Old Brookville have won.No more bars and quaint restaurant's no more lobster boats warming up the diesels and loading bait at dawn.no more surf fishing from any of the beaches.gone all thats left is rude butt holes from somewhere else.
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you are completly right bayville has changed the day of the bayville triangle are gone no more 23+ bars no more common people water front town its over but if you ask me I miss the old Bayville, I miss the old walls, the Holliday, fishermans Reef, Pig and Whistle, Bring back the old Bayville
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OK one last rant . I just read the newsday story and it`s time for Albert Criscuolo to GO!!!!any body who can`t make this judgment call has no place in enforcement ,no matter what back round he has.
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To Mother of Noisy one & MOT,
You should come to some town meetings,
Our Honorable Mayor also did not know that she signed the leases to add 40 cell towers to the water tower and my all time favorite is she did not know that we the taxpayers have been paying her Health Insurance for the past 20 years. Neither did the budget officer trustee Kennedy. These questions were asked at public meetings and either they did not know or they LIED about the truth, either way this along with what has happened here today with these children just shows the incompetence of this village.
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I feel uncomfortable about the fact that Complainant had the nerve to VIDEO tape the children in order to document them. I dont know about the parents of Bayville, but I feel like that was uncalled for. IF he has a legitamite complaint, shouldnt it be documented in other ways than that of video taping children in swimming gear playing in a pool. Im sure his intentions were well mannered but still, there are ways in which it doesnt look like a sex offenders friday night movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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When I was a kid there were people who felt kids should be seen and not heard. They were always childless couples with too much time on thier hands who forgot what it was like to be a child. If it is before 10 or 11 PM then let the kids be kids!!!
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I still don't understand how a law that clearly is meant for peddlers, hawkers, and vendors could be cited in a case against the parents for 2 screaming children. Was it meant as a joke from the start? It certainly worked because people are laughing.
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You all want to judge these people but you don't live with what they do. I have been in the area and heard these girls. Most parents would ask their children to quiet down if they were as loud as these kids. As for the poor couple who complained,they are being made to look like the villains in this. They are not. They are a very wonderful couple who adore children. As for Mrs. Poczatek who claims her children are always supervised. BULL. She just goes in the house and closes the windows so she doesn't have to listen to it. Marc and Angie are not being insensitive. They have tried talking to their neighbors to no avail. Any of us would expect our neighbors to keep their childrens screaming to a minimum. Not completely disrespect the entire neighborhood by allowing them to scream and carry on Of course kids will be kids but there is a limit to how much any parent would put up with before telling them to keep it down. None of us should judge utill we are put in the position to listen to these kids. No one is saying kids should always be quiet, but uncontrolled screaming is a little ridiculous and disrespectful. The media has made this a one sided circus and they should be ashamed as well as many of you who don't know the real situation.
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I also wanted to say that you are making accusations about the videotaping. Well the video is not of the girls it is just of the trees the point of the tapes was to be able to hear the noise not video the girls and it was done on the advice of the town not because this guy just decided to tape these girls. You should watch the accusations you make because untrue derogatory remarks are criminal in this day and age. Shame on many of you who are so fast to judge without knowing the fact. FACTS people are what you all seem to not care about.
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It is so disturbing to me that some residents in this town are so quick to make cruel and unfound accustaions about nice people like the Kostakis's and their adjoining neighbors. It is not like this situation just came out of nowhere. It has been ongoing for about 3 years now, and the Kostakis's have attempted to speak with the Poczatek's in a neighborly fashion, about just toning down the noise a bit,since it so loud and disturbing to them and their friends and family,in their yard. Their gestures have been ignored and disregarded over the years,forcing the Kostakis's to go to their Village Officials for help.Yes, a decibel reader was used,and noise levels found to be high enough to issue a warning in the past,which was also disrespectfully ignored!and the noise went on....and on.....and on....till the attempted violaton was issued by the Town Officials!!!! not Mr. Kostakis, although brought on by joint complaints of several adjoining neighbors.The Pozateks response to this was to alert a lawyer and the media(Newsday...News 12....etc) making a media circus in this town,which was disrespectful to all Bayville residents and the Village.....and substituting the truth for a more sensational story of video tapes and child discrimination,etc. The Poczatek's friends with children were all duped into supporting this story without knowing the real story!
The video and tape recordings were requested by officials for evidence in this issue,not some perverted tapes of children in their bikinis! How absurd and slanderous! The headlines of jailtime were also quite a joke....for a fine of about $250...you believed that? How shameful of the Poczatek's to make this such a farce and circus....but it has actually brought about a very interesting issue across the nation with opinions and views on both sides. If only Mr. Poczatek had said what he said to the media after court last night..that they would try to keep their kids a little quieter........if this had been said 3 years ago ....in a neighborly fashion back to the Kostakis's and neighbors....this disruptive,disturbing circus would never have occurred, and all this ill will in our beautiful town could have been averted! Thanks alot Poczitek's!
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"a decibel reader was used,and noise levels found to be high enough to issue a warning in the past,which was also disrespectfully ignored"
Are you kidding? I didn't know they have set benchmarks for high decibel ouput of children at play. I would have ignored it too. How do you set levels of output from a childs mouth, like turning down the gain on an amp?
I think we have all had some experience with noisy children. It's a part of life in a small property town, we are close.
For the $250 they were willing to have the Pozitek's eat, maybe they should buy a pair of Bose Noise Csncelling headphones.
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To Unreprted truth,
Ill will the P's brougth to this town. Think again.
Why do you think this is nationwide news that the "View" even discussed as a hot topic? It was on every radio and news station nationwide.
Why? Because it is laughable. If anyone should be ashamed it should be MArk and ANgie Kostakis and Sheila Brwon and any other of the neighbors who filed the copmplaint. The enitre nation thinks it is a joke on your part not on the part of the P's.
Everyone has a tale of woe about unruly neighbors, loud neighbors, neighbors with illiegal aprtments and illegally running businesses but you put up with it. We are on small lots here.
You know who else should be responsible Al Criscuolo nd his boss Mayor Siegel. They perpetuated this laughbale complaint and elevated it to the court level with a reidiculous code violation.
The P's are good people and this whole thing is not their fault. They probably felt they were being targeted and went to the press. It was the best thing they could have done.
The fact it is blown out of proportion is based ont he ridiculousness of the complaint.
Thanks Kostakis and nieghbors, you did this
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The parents should teach their children to respect the rights of others and to control themselves. Constant, non-stop screaming by kids has been known to drive people insane!
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Respect others rights? What about the rights of the kids to enjoy themselves on their own property. But obviously silencing children's laughter is how you better society. It's true non-stop screaming has been known to drive people insane, but if a kid actually could achieve the 'constant non-stop' screaming the kid's blood would build up with CO2, become alkaline and cause the kid to faint, so i don't really see how your scenario is possible.
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Wow, growing up in Bayville I didn't know I was living in 1940's Soviet Russia. I hope the Gestapo don't serve me a summons for playing my tiny violin too loudly. Oh and 'someone in Bayville' I'm not friends of the Poczatek's, I just have a sense of humor. That's what this entire case is, a joke and I don't care how loud the kids were. The issue is that the Kostakises live in our small suburban village where there are lots of kids, so they can either shut up, close the window or leave. The Poczateks aren't responsible for media blow. The complainants made their own bed by being so funny and ridiculous. But what bothers me is his displacement of his frustrations on to these kids. He works 12 hours a day, so what I work 14 hours a day and still have the energy to have fun, maybe even while crying gleefully in my back yard.
I will admit that the video tape was probably benign seeing as pedophiles usually enjoy the sounds of children. But come on, complaining because an 11 and 5 year old (Who play during the day) are making too much noise, I’m glad the cops are on that case instead of the problems of drug trafficking, drinking and driving, and vandalism through Bayville, and if you think they’re ‘on top of those’ then you’re ignorant.
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Aren't we all missing the point? There are limits to everything. And after watching the video, my sympathies are definitely with the Kostakis and the rest of the neighbors. I think most of us have been to a store or restaurant where a child screeched incessantly and the parents did nothing about it. And we could not wait for them to get out of there. Imagine having to listen to that all summer long.
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Where else have you seen the "video" besides the ABC story? They play what.. 15 seconds during the abc story?, explain nothing about how close the mic is to the kids, or everyone how loud the volume is turned up. 15s of yelling does not 3 hours a day for 3 years make. I could very easily make a similar audio tape of one of my neighbors childrens pool parties of 2minutes of talking pump up the volume and claim they scream like that all day every day.(which is patently false) Kids might yell and scream, but I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe anywhere near in the neighborhood of this 3hours a day every day stuff. If its as "ear-piercing" and "shrill" as certain people seem to think, why wouldn't it bother the parents at all?(regardless of whether they would tell their kids to be quiet, as pointed out it would surely "frazzle" there nerves)
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You kids off my lawn: There are plenty of us who like the sound of kids playing, me included, but, as I said, there are limits. Want to bet that if the parents spent the time outside with the kids, instead of going inside and closing the windows, as on reader described it, that the noise level would very quickly drop to an acceptable level?
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Observer:
Where did you see the video?
Did you know it was of an end of the year party with the whole class there? I know of many parties like that this time of year. They are ususallu shoprt and sweet.
Mr. K can put up with it.
WHere did you see the video???
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The propensity for turning on the parents is astounding. Everyone has a different opinion on what constitutes a "nuisance" and perhaps they merely have a higher tolerance for noise and what they believe to be acceptable. This will bum some of you out but the aforementioned "quiet enjoyment" law does not apply to crying babies which is what can certainly be applied to the 5 year old who's only defense on TV is "I swim in the pool".
I agree with the above poster who says its difficult to determine where the audio was taken from. I mean if you look at the situation in a relfective and reflexive manner you can clearly discern the various variables at play aren't nearly as significant as the ones which pertain to our limiting of freedom.
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Hey I got a question who are you people? and when did you move here? That "code enforcement officer" has to GO! What a joke ,the whole country now knows the truth.To the sixteen year old lifeguard that tells you ,you can`t have a boogie board on the beach.To the out of town gate guard rent-a-cop who kicks you out of the beach right before sunset.Oh and don`t forget the streetlights that shine into the high voltage lines. Or the terrorist proof planters,or the brass plaque to honor our "Leaders".how much was that?But anyway back to the point if the kids were that bad then a good old freon boat horn does the trick.or the dead squirrels in the pool works get my point!there`s other ways to deal with it then going to some jerk with a made up job who doesn`t even live here!!
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Local Joe,
I raise my now adult children here. I agree with your post. Except the squirrel in the pool part)
The only one to blame for the code enforecer is Mayor Siegel.
The buck stops here, remembr that qoute...in the end our leader is the one holding the buck.
She hired the person and most likely knew the summons was being issued and did not stop it.
Now the country is laughing at them, not the P's and not the residents who support the children.
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Yes, kids should be kids NOT sounding like animals. And kids should NOT be unattended much less in a swimming pool. Of course the parents are inside, they don't want to listen to those disturbing screams. Yes, everyone should enjoy their yard & home. Just like the kids, and the Kostakis' should be able to have a peaceful dinner on their deck after a long, hard day of work. I have three kids of my own who swim in the pool ... not scream. I respect our neighbors and remind my kids to keep it low. Parents that tend to say "kids are being kids" are ones who have no control over their kids nor discipline them. PERIOD... the end!!!
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While these kids are splashing & screaming : are the lovely parents in the house with the a/c crankin and their earplugs on?
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I do not know any of the families involved but have arrived at my opinion on this issue after reading the article, hearing the blood curdling screaming on the audio tape on Channel 12 and reading the comments on this blog. I think Vicki Siegel was quoted quite nicely on News 12 as saying, "Fortunately or unfortunately, you can't legislate what makes a good neighbor."
For some reason, little girls have a tendency between the ages of 5-10 to issue high pitched screams. These are amplified even more when in a pool, or so it seems, and the homes on Perry Avenue are not half acre zoning. My own daughter went through that "scream" stage, but I found it extremely annoying and it was very short lived as I would tell her 'STOP THAT'! It seems to me that many of the "younger parents" in Bayville have a much higher tolerance for horrible noise and less consideration of their neighbor's right to "peaceful enjoyment" of their real estate than the previous generation.
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Noise,Lies, and Videotape (PART 1)
As a neighbor of the Kostakis', I just stopped by to ask them specifically what was on the videotape that everyone seems to imagine as some lurid, voyeuristic record of little girls frolicking. For the record; there are not only no images of little girls, there are no images of ANYBODY on the videotape!!!!!
Let's step back for a minute.
The Kotsakis' had a legitamate gripe about EXCESSIVE noise for EXTENDED durations of time, which were verified by not only neighbors, but members of the village administration. The only reason the Kostakis' stayed and did not move, was because THEY are such kind, considerate, compassionate people, that several neighbors (including myself) begged them not to move!
All the Kostakis' and the Village of Bayville wanted to do was warn the Poczatek's that the requests of their neighbors to be more consderate were being ignored.
Do you really believe that the Village was ever going to throw them in jail or even slap them with a $250 fine????
Do you think that possibly Newsday and all the other media who are in the business of selling papers and advertising time on TV may have capitalized on a great headline without really bothering to check the facts out first?
Did any of the media ask to talk to the female Nassau County Police officer who viewed the videotape in it's entirety if there was anything objectionable on it?
Did anybody question Rachael Poczatec's, bold-faced slanderous lie about her children being videotaped by a neighbor in their bikinis to be placed on the internet?
Did anybody notice that the "ever-so-concerned-about-my children" Rachael Poczatec allowed her children to be videotaped in their bikinis by the national media??????????????
Do you think that maybe Rachael and her high- priced lawyer were just trying to stur the shit in a different direction to divert attention away from her actually not doing the job she was supposed to be doing-namely responsible mothering???????
The videocamera was set on a patio table facing the Poczatec's house. It was intended as a audio record of the excessive noise. The only thing you will see on the tape is closeup view of the Kostakis' deck railing and their newly planted arborvitae trees at the property line. The top of the Poctzatecs house is visible in the background. The camera does not move once.
The only audio tape that was made, was a 30 minute portion of about a 3 hour screaming jag by the Poczetecs children.
Mark Kostakis made the audio tape available to the media because they asked for it. When all of the TV media played back the audio clip for their national audience, they played it while a still photo of the Poczetec children playing in their pool was on the screen, I guess leading some people to believe it was Mr Kostakis' videotape.
As a result of this Mr. Kostakis, has had his character assasinated in the press, when all he wanted to do was protect his castle and that of his neighbors
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Noise, Lies, and Videotape---PART 2
As a result of this Mr. Kostakis, has had his character assasinated in the press, when all he wanted to do was protect his castle and that of his neighbors from a few inconsiderate people who believe the world revolves around them and their angelic children.
Mr. Kostakis has agreed to let ANYONE who wants to see the videotape in its entirety to come by and do so.
In my view, I would bring by a giant APOLOGY!
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Everyone is trying to make sense of all this and blame one side or the other.
We should all look at the big picture. Our town has become the laughing stock of the nation. Yes Nation this had national coverage all because the half ass ed way it is run.
The summons should have never been issued, the ONLY one accountable is the Mayor who supposedly knew nothing about it. Yeah right just like she didn't put up 40 cell towers on our water tower. She and some reporter from the leader who they finally fired actually believes her own lies. What kind of code enforcemeer would write a ticket for peddlers and hawkers, he should be fired for incompetence.
This town has a lot of children in it and thats what makes it a special place. Mayor Siegel gives them summons for hanging out in the commons yet she wont build a skate board park as she promised before being elected in 2002. I am sure if pressed to build it she will probably put it in a location that no one will use it because everything is done half ass ed. Has anyone noticed all the JFK barriers have been removed from the side walks? Yet another waste of our tax dollars by Queen Victoria. So stop blaming the Poziatacks, let kids be kids.
Start looking at the big picture Vicky and the board would rather summons them for hanging out, summons them for making noise and kill them with radiation then give them areas to play.
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When are the residents of Bayville going to wake up and vote Mayor Siegel OUT of office? Rather than simply complain about her insulting lack of respect for our wishes, let's DUMP her! If you have second thoughts about this, just drive by Steve's Pier 1 and Poiseden's Cove. Can you say BLIGHT?
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I agree with Ann Doyle 110%.
In the biggest real estate boom in NY history, Mayor Siegel can't fight her way out of a paper bag. Never mind the Steve's Pier One and Poisden's Cluster F. Mayor Siegel: Find yourself a Real Job;(1) Not in public office - at least not with my tax money, and (2) Real estate development is above your head.
Caio sweetheart!
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EWO- You hit this one on the mark!
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To Eyes Wide Open and Mind Closed Shut -
you wrote:
"She and some reporter from the leader who they finally fired actually believes her own lies."
I was not fired, I resigned as a "staff writer". Perhaps you missed my freelance piece on the budget after I had my name removed from the staff box. The drama and threats from the school district and the crew that opposed VS, simply weren't worth the aggravation and pittance of a salary I received writing for the paper.
You are correct that kids should be kids. That doesn't mean they should be screaming banshees without any regard for those who live around them. Unfortunately, etiquette is not taught in our schools. It seems a good number of adults in this community could stand a course in it as well.
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Thank you Jeff, a voice of reason on the other page. Also I've noticed that many to almost all of those that would find the Poczateks at fault, fall into two categories. Those that have had personal problems with either noisy neighbors or noisy children, in which case you're judging the situation with premeditated prejudice and displace your frustrations on these kids (who you probably don't know personally). Or you are a bored self-righteous mother/parent who feels they're did/doing a perfect job raising their kid(s) and gets off on watching and criticizing others. Want to know something not so secret if you're a parent and you've raised kids in Bayville in the last 30 years they're more likely to be or have been an alcoholic or pothead than not (I was SADD president at LVHS - I did the research). And as Jeff said these kids were reprimanded for having fun, but not just having that for having fun doing something healthy, legal, and not dangerous to others. In conclusion I'm sorry that you have issues with kids or are blindly self-righteous, but Kids = Bayville so learn it or move. Oh and this idea that you and your generation were more respectful when you were young it's an illusion, a delusion of the old pertaining to the young. In accordance, one of my favorite quotes;
"Accept certain unalienable truths; prices will rise, politicians will philander, you too will get old, and when you do, you'll fantasize that; prices were reasonable, politicians were noble, and children respected their elders."
-Mary Theresa Schmich
Sincerely,
JMack (frmly J. Michael)
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Lisa,
Your opinion here should be prefaced with a disclaimer. Years ago, I lived in your neighborhood where you had hats made that said "Dirtbag Patrol" and sat outside with other "neighbors" and monitored some rough kids in the "hood".
I am not disagreeing with you that those children were a bit rambuntcous, but your degrading method of humiliation towards those kids nad parents should be noted when you are spewing your "wisdom" of goo neighborly conduct.
Glass houses.....
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kedri,
LOL! Ah yes, I came across those visors cleaning out the attic the other day. I have absolutely no regrets for establishing a neighborhood watch, helping my other neighbor get a restraining order against one kid who threatened her and performed vile acts, stopping the drug drops or helping to get his neglectful mother evicted from their apartment. A bit rambunctious? Puhleeze! These were juvenile delinquents who at 15 knew they could cuss out the cops and get away with it. Yes, we protected our property and cleaned up the neighborhood. I was also co-President of the road association which turned our block into a nicely paved road with drains and speed bumps instead of the dirt mess with potholes so big they could rip your muffler off. I believe property ownership is a privilege and I have the right to protect that property which I pay taxes on and call home. And I have some very fond memories of nights at that picnic table with my neighbors, drinking coffee and playing cards by candlelight. If you think I damaged their "self-esteem", I find that a specious argument. We're not talking about 5 and 10 year olds in that situation, totally different scenario.
What lesson has little Cloe learned from all of this nonsense? That screaming and being obnoxious will get her on TV? That bad behavior is rewarded with excessive attention? That her screams should be ignored? My kids learned that screaming of that nature is only for if they are in severe trouble or bleeding. Surely you must remember the story about the boy who cried wolf?
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As long as we're dropping quotes:
"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal
rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to
restrain him." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Gilmer, 1816.
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Here's another:
A right is not what someone gives you; it's what no one can take from you.
--Ramsey Clarke
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Lisa,
Thank you for pointing out your delusional state by illustrating how you turn ANYTHING you do or believe in into the most righteous act known to man.
Your neighbors are nice on your new block....but do they feel the same about you???
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Until you abuse YOUR right and cause others' rights to be tramppled on. Isn't this how new laws come into effect??
Until they do ( and I am NOT convinced that the P's haven't broken any noise ordinances or laws yet) you are still considered an A--hole until a law legislates against you being one.
Kinda like the rude guy on the cell phone , the seated next to you, in a resaturant- not a criminal-yet- but an inconsiderate, self-absorbed A--Hole nontheless
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I was replying to Jeff S-
I think you might consider taking your thinkin process a bit further
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Kedri,
My, my, aren't you just a troublemaking little gossip-monger? Don't try and make ME the topic of this thread.
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I sure miss the "olden days"
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Anastasia-
I think you may be taking the quote out of context and attaching it to this specific incident, I was using it more as a generalization.
Both the Pozcatek’s and Kostakis' both have rights. I personally agree that no one should abuse his or her rights at the expense of others. However, if there is no law regarding the compromise of those rights, why should someone be brought up on a bogus charge that does not even come close to the issue at hand? That is one of the reasons there are so many laws in so many flavors; to also protect the rights of the individual before wrongful prosecution. Remember that you are innocent until proven guilty.
I am no lawyer but it seems (to me) that the Pozcatek’s have not broken any law and are merely exercising their 1st Amendment right to the “Freedom of Expression”.
I don’t think there is anyone in the USA that wants that changed. Think about it. If there was a law on how loud you can speak (unamplified), then anyone that didn’t like what someone said to them could easily say that you were shouting at them and broke the law.
Unfortunately there is no easy solution to this situation.
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Actually there is-be respectful of one another!!
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Personally I would have loved to see the reaction had this been a poolful of noisy renters - I don't know - say college kids for three years - or hey maybe a multi-family dwelling with beer swilling guys hanging out all day!!! Then would a noise complaint have been warranted? Grab that decibel meter!! Oh and BTW, the "other" Building Inspector has personally told me that a decibel meter is of no use whatsoever if its not calibrated - YAY another VILLAGE excuse oops I mean LOOPHOLE! No one except the 2 homes involved knows the whole story - I don't think the news coverage was complete, but both should respect each other. I can't stand the loud speaker announcements all day on weekends from the football field and I live 3 blocks away - I guess I'm not entitled to peaceful enjoyment of my home without earplugs right? Oh yeah and the gun shots and the fireworks freak out my dogs. Hey aren't fireworks illegal?
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I think some of us are missing the point here. I'm sure this would've never been an issue if the Poczatek's through parties once twice even 10 times a yr. and let the dogs out or even had fireworks. We are talking about an on-going noisy situation. Anyone would've been bothered by this on a daily basis. No we shouldn't be quiet and not enjoy our lives but we should respect other people also and give them peace once in a while and it seems to me that the Kostakis' along w/ many neighbors have not seen peace around there. If they wanted noisy neighbors, gunshots, college kids and loud renters and crazy teenagers and kids around them they would've moved to Manhattan but they didn't. We're a house full of adults and teenagers and we know our limits here. We know how loud we shall have our music cuz it will annoy the neighbors others should also know how loud their kids are as well. Come on guys...this is an everyday issue. It would get to any of us. If we grew up knowing when to quit from a look from our parents I believe the Poczatek kids should know when to quit as well. Have normal fun and make normal kid noise but don't over do it...The kids in this situation don't know better when the parents allow this to happen. Therefore the parents should control this situation because they are not living there alone. Consider other people as well.
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Just to clarify the latest rumor and attempt to "spin" this story by the "P" camp--that they were not the ones who initiated the media siege of our beautiful village...
The fact is this:
Newsday did their interview with all six of the complaining neighbors after the reporter approached Mr. Kostakis in his driveway returning from work. Mrs. Kostakis was still AT work. She , however, after learning of what was happening at home-began calling the other complaining neighbors-who were all , luckily at home-since it was around dinnertime. They all converged on the Kostakis household. Would anyone have known that there were six complaining neighbors from the newsday piece that was printed in Wednesday's paper??NO!!
MOST IMPORTANTLY:
Ms. LaBarre was aked how it was that she came about this story, about a noise ordinance violation and summons issued in Bayville. She responded to all six families that the "P'" attorney had contacted Newsday! By the way, with Ms. Labarre's permission, that interview was TAPERECORDED
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Spelling correction-EXPOSED-sorry!!!
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he's shrewd, so what? Wrapped that case in under 10.
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Yeah-real shrewd-"the case" what "case"?
Would you need an expensive lawyer to dismiss an improperly issued "summons"??
Hope he's charging dearly for that "top Notch" lawyerin' and for having the entire story Backfire!! Wonder if anyone is calling this "shrewd" counselor Now?????
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Now that the 4th of July is over and the Kostakis vs Poczatek case has calmed down. Let's get to basic courtesy for thy neighbor. Treat those around you, as you want to be treated.
One of the reproters with a camera crew told me that the attorney for the Poczatek's started the "media feeding" by contacting all major networks.
Let this "noise" complaint serve as a "positive" to the community. We all have to respect and protect our community. Mud slinging has no value. Leave the mud to the Spa's. What ever happened to "Love thy Neighbor"??
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correction - reporters - sorry for not proof reading.
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Dear Ann,
Sorry. You've got to wait until the next election to try and "dump" her. The people spoke quite loudly and clearly by a 2-1 margin that they want her as Mayor.
Just out of curiosity, was it just driving past empty restaurants that suddenly caused you to become possessed to post your little rant in the middle of November? Or was it something else?
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The facts are that not only did the residents of our village vote in Mayor Siegel by a 2:1 Margin, but the vast majority of our residents also supported the complaining six families , as did the 50,000 voters on the newsday poll. The newsday voters opposed the arrogant,self-absorbed, slanderous parents of the noisy children by a 9:1 margin!!!
By the way-what do Steve's Pier and Poseidon's Cove have to do with this thread??
The only thing that was mishandled here, by the village ofiicials, is that the wrong ordinance was cited. Next time, I am sure it will be handled correctly, with the proper village ordinance beeing cited- and it DOES exist. As it does in Nassau County code!!!
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are You people JOKING! who wants to hear Children who are screaming. Obviously the PARENTS havent told their kids about CONSIDERATION for OTHERS! im sure those SAME KIDS are the ones who are NUISANCES at restaurants. OBVIOUSLY there is NO QUAlITY of Life on that block. AND for all those Criticizing the TOWNSHIP, YOU TRY living next to those LOUD, ANNOYING NEIGHBORS! Im sure all the Negative posters are AUNTS,Uncles and relatives to those Brats
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