BRACT Press Conference

There will be a press conference at the Water Tower this Thursday, December 6, 2007 at 3:30p.m.  For all those who can make it, we look forward to seeing you there, and we thank you in advance for your support. 

Sincerely, 

The Members of BRACT

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  • Friday, December 07, 2007 12:28 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    I hope that The Village of Bayville is seeking to recoup its legal fees from BRACT when this frivolous case is settled and BRACT loses.
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  • Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:31 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Good on you for fighting this! I was personally made sick by these "illegal" "towers of death" and it took me six months to finally figure out that it was microwave radiation that was indeed making me sick. I recovered by finding a place in the mountains of Japan with no cell phone or television coverage and stayed there for four months to let my body recuperate from this EMR that is slowly and insidiously making everyone sick. As I slowly got better, I also started to become very sensitive to EMR (electromagnetic radiation) and am now what is called electrosensitive (ES). There seems to be a complete media blackout about this problem in countries like the USA and Japan. The UK seems to have been the best in covering this problem. This is an international problem and I support what you are trying to do locally. If you are interested in what I and others are trying to do internationally please join the following groups:

    http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/emfrefugee/

    http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/IC-ESP/

    As far as I am concerned, cell phones are the WMDs and the cell phone companies are criminal organizations. People who use cell phones are like junkies, and the cell phone companies are the drug dealers. These things will prove to be more dangerous than tobacco or any illegal drug that is out there.

    We who are aware that we have been made sick by this technology should all bring class action suits against these criminals.

    Best regards,

    paul doyon
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  • Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:15 PM William J. Bruno, Ph.D. wrote:
    In my opinion as a biophysicist, there is nothing frivolous about these concerns. There is evidence going back decades that microwave signals can cause non-thermal, physiological effects, notably on EEG, sleep, reaction times, fertility, stress responses, and almost certainly cancer and other diseases.

    The situation is so disturbing that it is very difficult to engage the issue. Many people, including many scientists, cannot bear the thought that they have been killing their own neurons, and those of their children, ever since they first bought a microwave oven. Of course the cell phones are much worse than the ovens, which is probably why the rate of Alzheimer's is rising again (even after population age corrections).

    Luckily our brains are large and can cope with some damage. But over a lifetime, our ability to cope declines and the damage just keeps increasing. Read Salford's 2003 paper, and pray your brain looks no worse than that rat's.

    Bill
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  • Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:25 PM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Andrew Goldsworthy asked me to post the following:

    Being exposed to chronic irradiation from a cell tower is not a good idea anyway, but to put the antennas on water towers is particularly bad because of the risk of electromagnetic contamination of the water. Treating water with weak pulsed electromagnetic radiation is the basis of many commercial “electronic water conditioners”, which are now widely used to remove and prevent lime scale in plumbing.

    But it also has biological effects. Brief exposure of the water to such fields (as when it flows through a conditioner) and supplying it to yeast, plants and farm animals can, stimulate their growth. However, when we tested exposures of more than about a minute (as it would be in a water storage tank with an antenna attached), we found that it inhibited the growth of yeast and was arguably harmful (See Goldsworthy et al. 1999 “Biological effects of physically conditioned water”. Water Research 33 (7) 1618-1626).

    The mechanism of the conditioning effect is controversial, but it appears to depend on the presence of colloidal impurities, and not all water supplies are equally affected. Its biological effect is probably because it removes structurally-important calcium ions from cell membranes in much the same way as it removes lime scale from plumbing. This would then make them leak and affect metabolism in the same way as direct exposure to electromagnetic fields (See http://tinyurl.com/28Lo82 ).

    In so much as water treated with pulsed electromagnetic radiation can have unusual and sometimes harmful biological effects, there should be a moratorium on placing cell phone antennas on water tanks until electromagnetically treated water has received full FDA approval.

    Andrew Goldsworthy
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  • Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:52 AM Sepp Hasslberger wrote:
    You are doing right in opposing the construction of yet another microwave emitting facility.

    There is enough evidence of harmful effects on human health to justify putting a moratorium on further extension of the technology.

    But there is also enough profit in running these networks that we probably will not see any such moratorium until the evidence becomes overwhelming with deaths and illness no longer possible to explain away.
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  • Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:03 AM scarlett levonia wrote:
    i think it is lovely that LM was put in her place by the PHd and the sickly gentleman. this is a very serious issue we have at hand and all the arrogance in the world cannot not diminish the fact that our village is putting US ALL at risk. ignorance is bliss and too many villagers are ignorant. (including our elected officials)
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  • Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:26 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Better step away from that computer there, scarlett. It's probably emitting more RF's than the water tower ever does! Maybe you should go live in remote Japan with sickly man!

    Oh, and besides your computer, make sure you don't ever use a cell phone, or microwave, or flourescent lights or a hairdryer or..... http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/EMF-HTML/HTML/EMF-LetsGetReal~20021031.htmt
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  • Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:28 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    let me try that link again

    http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/EMF-HTML/HTML/EMF-LetsGetReal~20021031.htm
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  • Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:46 PM Bracter wrote:
    I prefer this website:

    http://scottwax.com/rice/ratedr/attention%20whore3.jpg
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  • Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:49 PM mvhmtn wrote:
    FYI, that was for you Lisa.
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  • Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:22 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Hey Bracter, this one is special for you.

    http://www.moron.com/media/546/Overhead_Compartment_Trouble/
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  • Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:40 PM Jim wrote:
    Get some orgonite tower busters near those death towers ASAP to bust up the signal!
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  • Monday, December 10, 2007 6:36 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    The above heartless comment is very typical of those from heartless losers paid by the cell phone industry to troll the Internet and try to influence public opinion. Personally, I would never ever stick my head up to one of these microwave emitting devices called a cell phone. And anyone who does has really got to have a pretty low IQ not to mention that frying one's brain cells would probably most likely make it even lower. Welcome to ZombieLand! One can limit their time in front of a computer and there are other ways to mitigate the EMR we are exposed to daily, but at present we are powerless to stop the microwave radiation emitted by cell phone towers from entering our homes and making us and our children sick. Personally, I prefer to preserve the health of myself and my family over the possession of some stupid gadgets. People are more important than things. Life is more important than cell phone company profits.
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  • Monday, December 10, 2007 9:15 AM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Paul writes:

    "The above heartless comment is very typical of those from heartless losers paid by the cell phone industry to troll the Internet and try to influence public opinion."

    Oh, now you made me spit my coffee out all over my monitor, Paul! Stop! Your aluminum foil hat is on too tight and those black helicopters really ARE circling your house!

    Go back to Tibet. Don't forget to bring a towel.
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  • Monday, December 10, 2007 10:14 AM Sepp Hasslberger wrote:
    Well it's true - trolls such as Lisa McLoughlin do seem to get personal in their attacks when they run out of rational arguments.

    Nothing like the image of tin foil hats and stupidity to discredit hundreds of scientific studies or the personal experience of someone who does feel - unlike most others - the effects of radiation exposure from technological gadgets.

    While I am not personally hypersensitive, I have not made one call on my mobile phone without my ears ringing for minutes afterwards. I have abandoned its use for over a year now, but of course if you live near an antenna there is little protection. For most of us, the effects are too slow and perhaps too varied to directly link to the EM exposure. That seems to be the main trouble.
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  • Monday, December 10, 2007 2:06 PM not a popular stand wrote:
    ok sepp and paul,

    i live in bayville. i never experienced a burning sensation or a ringing in my ear due to a cell phone. i have yet to talk to another person in bayville that has. maybe our phones emit less RFR? maybe we are being exposed to so much radiation in this metropolis of RF and EM that we are immune to the cell phones/towers RF subtle affects on our bodies? then maybe we would also be immune to the more dangerous affects? not.
    i'm not naive to the fact that various levels of RF and EM exposure have very diverse affects on different people.

    i personally have chosen to cautiously believe WHO, FCC and the FDA. for those who wish to use Russian and Italian Standards based on the Precautionary Principle that allow 10 microwatts per cm2 near schools (within a foot, on top of, maybe even inside), hospitals and homes also. Even these Precautionary Standards find all those who reside in bayville are safe.

    as for the possibility of the RF creating electromagnetic fields that could be affecting our drinking water. come on now. i believe our water is safer than all. the antenna are directional, facing outward. There is very little RF behind or to the side of the antenna. the water is further shielded by the walls of the tower itself. Are we worried about the power lines feeding the antenna creating this electromagnetic field? i'm sure testing the water itself could confirm any adverse affects on our supply?

    sepp and paul you should know:
    it seems here in bayville very few of us, if any, are throwing out their cell phones, TV's or Computers. just the cell antenna that support our cherished cell phones. not in my yard. when I hear of a press conference where everyone is crushing their phones under their feet i'll begin to take some of these people serious. maybe not even then.
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  • Monday, December 10, 2007 5:37 PM Sepp Hasslberger wrote:
    Well ultimately, it will have to be the people of Bayville who decide.

    We're full of cell phones here in Italy. Probably even more than in the US. Rome is a criss-cross of electromagnetic radiation.

    I readily admit it is not easy to link specific health damage to the radiation although there are numerous studies on one or the other aspect of this.

    Water, by the way, is a very good information carrier. It does accept and keep (and probably transmit when you drink it or bathe in it) information. The electromagnetic radiation and elf frequencies the microwaves are modulated with (packets per second are around 200) do influence these informational properties of water.

    That is not scientifically established, if you want double blind placebo controlled studies, but it seems to have truth in it nevertheless. Ask a homeopath. Oh ... I forgot, you got rid of most of those in the early part of the last century, when pharmaceutical interests took over the US medical schools. But that's another matter entirely.

    As for the radiation, I can only recommend caution.
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  • Friday, December 14, 2007 10:49 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Australian Democrats warning on mobile phone towers
    8·12·2007 - Visitas: 71
    Executive summary hilst the increase in certain illnesses has been steady for about four decades - most figures indicate that for the last 15 years there has been a steep increase worldwide in illnesses such as cancers, cardiac illness, diabetes, asthma, allergies in children, and neurological conditions such as short term memory problems, Alzheimer’s disease and sleeplessness. W The currently acknowledged causes of these illnesses are chemical pollution, artificial environmental hormones and the pace of modern living, however a marked spike suggest a major new environmental factor is involved. Arguably, the only new factor is the sudden explosion in wireless communications technology, which began in Australia approximately 15 years ago. This report, for the first time, matches these illnesses to the published research into the effects of low level microwave radiation on human health, and many scientists agree that such illnesses are a likely outcome of exposure. Indeed, an increase in these illnesses was predicted as the infrastructure was being rolled out in the early 90s. In 1994 Australia’s CSIRO produced a 150 page literature review on the status of health effects from EMR. The report’s author, Dr Stan Barnett said that while researching the scientific database in preparation it has become evident that subtle changes in cell structure and biochemistry were frequently reported at exposure levels where gross thermal change - the current measure on which exposure standards are set - could not be attributed as a cause. From 1996 until he died in 2003, the late New Zealand physicist and metaanalyst Dr Neil Cherry, studied the work of over 600 researchers worldwide. He found that EMR caused DNA breakages, chromosome aberrations, increased oncogene activity in cells, altered brain activity, altered blood pressure and increased brain cancer at very low levels - much lower than those allowed by the Australian standard. He also found that it impacts on the pineal gland in the brain, resulting in a reduction of melatonin. Melatonin is vital to the body’s biochemical systems, including the mediation of many hormone functions (including the control of weight) and is a major scavenger of damaging free radicals, leading to increased DNA strand breaks and chromosome aberrations. These observed biological changes can in turn lead to cancer and reproductive damage. He was surprised to discover how much published research there was to show that - across the entire EMR spectrum - damage was done to cellular DNA, rendering it genotoxic and therefore likely to be implicated in the formation of tumours and other illnesses. The rise in high blood pressure is also linked to melatonin production....
    http://www.avaate.org/article.php3?id_article=1028
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  • Friday, January 04, 2008 12:29 PM KC wrote:
    Thank you NPS! It's hard to believe this is anything more then a political issue when the very people protesting the towers are using computers to write in this blog, and probably have their cellphones within arms reach! Also, the FCC, WHO and the FDA are nothing to be ashamed of listening to. Particularly WHO. To call these towers a danger to public health with a cell phone at your ear is very hypocritical.
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  • Friday, January 04, 2008 12:54 PM KC wrote:
    From the American Cancer Society

    http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_1_3X_Cellular_Phone_Towers.asp

    "Do Cellular Phone Towers Cause Cancer?
    Humans generate electromagnetic fields internally as well as externally. The simple collision between 2 molecules is an electrical event. Since there is electrical activity inside the human body, the question arises as to whether radio waves emitted by cellular phone towers can influence cell function, and in particular whether they can cause cancer.

    However, several theoretical considerations suggest that cellular phone towers are unlikely to cause cancer.

    First, the energy level of radio waves is relatively low. Electromagnetic energy comes in "packages" that are referred to as photons. Photon energy is measured in electron volts (eV), the energy gained by an electron after accelerating over 1 volt. The energy in the photons depends directly on the frequency, and decreases as one moves down the electromagnetic spectrum. X-rays have about 1,000 eV of energy, while the photon energy of radio waves from cellular phone towers is about one millionth of an eV, not enough to alter molecules in the body.

    A second issue has to do with wavelength. Radio waves have a wavelength of approximately 1 foot in air, and about 2 inches in body tissue. As a result, RF radiation can only be concentrated to about an inch or two in size. This makes it unlikely that the energy from radio waves could be concentrated on a small bit of tissue, affecting individual cells.

    A third issue has to do with the magnitude of exposure. Measurements taken around typical cellular phone towers show ground level power densities well below the recommended limits. Moreover, public exposure near cell phone towers is not significantly different than background levels of RF radiation in urban areas from other sources, such as radio and television broadcast stations.

    For these reasons, cell phone antennas or towers are unlikely to cause cancer..."

    So, if you're truly concerned cell phones should not be your only concern. The computer you're using, the TV you're watching, the radio, the microwave... All these things can contribute. The only real solution would be to jump backwards in time before radios, or do what Paul did and leave civilization for a while.
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  • Friday, January 04, 2008 2:31 PM Sepp Hasslberger wrote:
    KC, your arguments are facile and not really consistent.

    FCC, WHO and the FDA are nothing to be ashamed of listening to?

    I would not say that too loud. Just do a most superficial investigation and you find that these agencies have all but abdicated their stated purpose and are snuggling up to various industries.

    Whether cell phone towers call cancer is not really the question. They may cause a whole lot of other problems that aren't cancer related.

    But even in the argumentation you bring forward you acknowledge that human bodies are continuously generating electromagnetic signals. Have you ever stopped to think what strength these signals really are and - in comparison - how much higher strength the technologically produced radiation, including the microwaves used in communication, have?

    In your discussion it seems that the external fields are negilgible, but you do not have any figures to compare internal (human body and cellular communication) fields with external, technology related fields. I encourage you to look into the strength of biological radiation and biological signals, and then say how they compare with microwaves from a mobile phone tower.

    Other than radiation as such, we should consider rhythms. The body has certain low frequency rhythms (heart, breathing, brain waves etc) and the communication related microwaves are close to those vital rhythms and may determine harmonic or sympathetic vibrations. For instance, in digital communication, the wave is not a pure wave. It is hacked into "packets" that are transmitted one after the other, determining a "frequency" that may interfere with the body's own low frequency rhythms.

    For me, the great crime of the agencies you tout as reliable is that they have not looked into these questions with any kind of seriousness although what is on the line is our health, and there ARE indications that biological organisms suffer under the onslaught of technological electromagnetic waves.
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  • Friday, January 04, 2008 9:57 PM KC wrote:
    Seth,
    First, I'd like to thank you for the intelligent response. Sadly, many of the responses on the threads in this blog seem to be purely political. I'm uneducated on the subject at hand and all that I found on the web were from the agencies I listed. Other then that I found sites hosted on geosites.com, which is a free hosting site that makes no effort to verify if anything anyone puts up is truthful. Compared to that, the agencies above seemed to be the better choice at the time. Thanks to you, I have a few more key words to search with, and will look for other sources of information. I do agree that the agencies in question are no longer as unbiased as they should be, but unfortunately their info is the easiest to find. Do you have any links I could try?
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  • Friday, January 04, 2008 11:53 PM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Friends:

    An important contextual point to the recent story in the Washington Post about this AmericanCancer Society paper linked below is the back story to it. Without this context, the true story behind the American Cancer Society's vested interests can not be seen.

    In 2002, shortly before this AmericanCancer Society study was launched, a high-ranking official from the AmericanCancer Society was a witnesses for the mobile phone industry in a highly visible legal
    proceeding in Baltimore, Maryland. The proceeding, a Daubert hearing to evaluate scientific evidence regarding the link between cell phones and cancer, was part of the lawsuit brought by Baltimore, Maryland neurosurgeon Dr. Christopher Newman. The testimony of the American Cancer Society scientist was used to unfairly and visciously discredit Dr. Neil Cherry and Dr. Henry Lai, two important witnesses for Dr. Newman. At the time, this was a critical legal proceeding for the
    mobile phone industry and the focal point of
    millions of dollars of legal fees paid on their behalf to 'keep the lid on' the cell phone cancer issue. This American Cancer Society study was launched shortly after the testiimony. It is noteworthy that
    the disclosuures in the published paper do not show funding for the study coming from the industry. I personally believe as do others, that the industry made substantial contributions to the American Cancer Society to secure their testimony in the litigation. In a litigation proceeding, the industry would make sure to not pay the American Cancer Society staff person directly, so a payment 'under the table' had to be arranged. There would be no other reason for the AmericanCancer Society official to participate in the litigation: the American Cancer Society up to that point had not even
    looked into the cell phone cancer issue; they had done no work on it whatsoever. I know this from sources within the AmericanCancer Society.

    The industry has systematically laundered support money to support their positions: for Mike Repachioli at the World Health Organization; through ICNRP, the IEEE and other so-called independent groups; through various scientific labs around the world; through various bought scientists. In 2002, this type of money-based influence peddling was the modus operandi of the industry under the leadership of Tom Wheeler and his cohorts. A brief read through Tom Wheeler's
    book addressing how business leaders can take home lessons from civil war generals reveals a chapter entitled, "If you can't win, change the
    rules.". That is exactly the strategy that the industry put in place in those years and continues forward today. The rules are being changed by biasing the process that consumers should be able to trust.
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  • Monday, January 07, 2008 7:56 AM not a popular stand wrote:
    again very few if any here are retiring the cell phones.

    the BRACT/EON movie showed that paints and window shades made with a certain metal can shield folks from a certain percentage of the RF. i haven't seen any new shades in the primary windows or heard anyone even suggest repainting the school.

    in seth's own words "use caution". moving the antenna off of the tower and leaving it to placed in another spot by the same agencies is not cautious, it is careless. we lose the highest structure on the highest geographical point. we also lose the surrounding land to possibly build another structure. BRACT does all this without even testing the levels of RF at the school and the surrounding residences themselves. Why?

    should we not be concentrating on exposing the least amount of residents to the smallest amount of RF? is there somewhere else in bayville where this can be accomplished?

    do we really believe after viewing the movies, reading the reports and listening to all the conspiracy theories that it is remotely possible to move these antenna out of bayville?

    people think debating this is nuts now? imagine the real debate if we have to put these antenna elsewhere in bayville. oyster bay, glen cove, locust valley even plainview right across the street from their water tower all have cell antenna. what makes anyone think bayville doesn't need the antenna? it should be a group who don't have cell phones. is it?
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  • Monday, January 07, 2008 11:29 AM not a popular stand wrote:
    "plainview" should read "jericho" in the last paragraph.

    jericho refuses to place antenna on the water tower. WHY?

    there are many antenna on rooftops across the street from the water tower and fairly close to residences.
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  • Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:18 PM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Bayville Residents Should be Concerned!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1027699/14-die-cancer-seven-years-living-phone-mast-highest-radiation-levels-UK.html

    14 die of cancer in seven years living next to phone mast with highest radiation levels in UK

    By Rebecca Camber
    Last updated at 1:47 AM on 20th June 2008

    Fourteen people living within a mile of a mobile phone mast that emits one of the highest levels of radiation in the country have died of cancer.

    Four of the deaths have been in a cul-de-sac yards from the site.

    A further 20 residents have developed tumours in the last seven years, although they have survived.

    Those living in the shadow of the mast have begun a campaign for its removal, claiming that it has caused a cancer hotspot. The Health Protection Agency is investigating.

    Worried parents are refusing to take their children to the playing fields where the mast is sited for fear of damaging their health.

    The mast was erected in 1995 on a disused water tower on the High Acres estate in Kingswinford, near Dudley, West Midlands.

    But campaigners claim health problems started among the 700 residents of the estate when more antennae and dishes were added in 2001.

    It serves four mobile phone operators.

    Experts from the communications watchdog Ofcom, who carried out tests on the mast, say it has the highest radiation level of any phone mast site surveyed in England this year.

    However, the radiation was still within UK safety guidelines.

    Wendy Baggott, 52, who leads a protest group against the mast, which is only 200 yards from her home, said: 'It feels like a threatening presence looming all over the neighbourhood.

    'Over the last seven years there have been 14 cancer deaths in the area. Four of those happened in this road. The wellbeing of the whole community is being affected.'

    The retired NHS clinical auditor, whose husband Clive has twice contracted skin cancer, said: 'It is a massive concern to us that there is a children's play area so near to it.

    'Parents and grandparents around here won't let their children go there because they are terrified they could get cancer.'

    One resident, Michael Morris, died from a brain tumour in 2003 aged 57.

    His widow Pamela, 61, said: 'There have been so many people in the neighbourhood who have died of these cancers.

    'Michael used to take the dogs for walks up there by the tower and I wonder if it might have been that.

    When these masts came I think it was when he started to go downhill.'

    The 14 deaths have included Betty Genner, who was killed by ovarian cancer in 2003 aged 68, and Dorothy Day, 69, who died two years later from cancer.

    Six months ago another woman succumbed to a brain tumour. All of them lived within a mile of the mast.

    The Government insists mobile phone masts pose no threat to the public.

    But some campaigners believe the radiation from masts could be powerful enough to change the composi....
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  • Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:30 PM Paul Doyon wrote:
    See the Invisible, by France's Next-Up Organization.

    EHS TV News (HD video report) : "See The Invisible"

    Phone masts beam / French Residents Protest Phone Mast / WHO / BioInitiative / etc.

    www.next-up.org/Newsoftheworld/AntennesRelais.php



    Best

    Marie-Pierre
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  • Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:41 PM Paul Doyon wrote:
    http://videos.next-up.org/PhoneMastsBeamSeeTheInvisibleAndReportFrance3/18062008.html
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  • Friday, June 20, 2008 5:45 AM Catherine wrote:
    This is very like what i reported from Drumcarrow where a tera and other masts caused these problems.I would like people to contact me [01334840202] or the radiation trust if they have any MND cases or want more information. Also do they have crashes and any dead trees around this mast. Do people waken up during the night. I have a folder of the same thing from many masts. Are they under a flight path. Catherine
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  • Friday, June 20, 2008 6:06 AM catherine wrote:
    This is only one of very many places with these cancers at the masts. I also had this in my community and have a folder of similar cases reported from all over the UK.. Barrie Trower who wrote the police report on tetra said it would be responsible for more deaths than all the terrorists put together. He should know as he debriefed the Russian spies who gave the technology to us, and they teach about Microwave sickness in the military. I know from our experience it can cause epileptic symptoms and i had tetra coming in to my home over the power lines. Please see Professor Magda Haves on dirty electricity. The Vatican was found guilty of causing cancer to people from their tetra radio. It is a crime against humanity. Catherine
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  • Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:25 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Phone mast fears grow as more locals suffer cancer

    National News Home

    By Geraldine Gittens

    Wednesday October 22 2008

    RESIDENTS of a West Dublin housing estate, which lies next to a phone mast, are calling on the HSE to conduct a full health assessment in the area after an apparently large number of cancer diagnoses.

    Neighbours in St Ronan's Gardens, Neilstown, and leaders of Mast Action Clondalkin (MAC) are continuing to voice their concerns about the mobile phone mast which stands in their local garda station.

    "We did a survey of 150 houses and 38 people in those houses had cancer," says Gino Kelly, a member of MAC. "It's a very preliminary study but we went around and asked questions."

    Nosebleeds

    "Now we're asking the HSE to do a proper health study. The amount of people here with cancer cannot be normal."

    Earlier this month, the group expressed their outrage to the Herald when it was discovered that An Garda Siochana failed to investigate the link between the mast and the fact that nine officers in the area have suffered brain cancer.

    Residents are now calling for an investigation by the health authorities into the matter.

    "Eight women in a pocket area of houses had cervical cancer and for them to all have the same type of cancer is very strange," says Gino. "It could be a coincidence but what we're saying is 'go and find out'," he added.

    "My two children are attending Tallaght hospital with nosebleeds," says Caroline Kinsella.

    "We did door-to-doors and we found that the number of nosebleeds is very bad. We've been given no explanation. People are going to the hospital and doctors, but we've had no explanation. It's not just a nosebleed. It's buckets.

    "My son Dylan gets really bad headaches every two or three days, and he can't look at the light or the television or anything," says Elizabeth Bell. Imelda Russell's brother, Brian, slept at the back of their house in St Ronan's Gardens, one of the houses closest to the mast.

    Rare

    "Two-and-a-half years ago he got a brain tumour. He's had chemotherapy and radiotherapy, and every six months he has to have a brain scan.

    "The doctors say there's no way of removing it, and if they did he'd be paralysed. The type of tumour he has is a very rare tumour, and one garda also has it. Imelda's house is literally 35 meters away from the high tension wire," says Gino, "so it's extremely near people's living space."

    Pat Keating, whose wife Teresa died last March of a brain haemorrhage, was also present at the outdoor meeting.

    "My wife was never sick in her life," said Pat, "but she just collapsed one day and by the time she was brought to hospital, it was too late. We're having a protest this Thursday at 7.30pm outside Ronanstown Garda Station, and we want to get as many local people as possible here." ....
    www.herald.ie/national-news/phone-mast-fears-grow-as-more-locals-suffer-cancer-1505195.html
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  • Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:30 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Mobile phones may be killing bees and causing human health problems
    http://www.euroweeklynews.com/news/11915.html
    • 23 Oct 2008 •

    No sense of direction: Bees form a vital part of tBEE colonies are disappearing in worrying numbers throughout the world and beekeepers in America, the UK, Scotland, Germany Switzerland, Spain, Portugal and Greece are all seeing their hives vanish. When a hive's inhabitants suddenly disappear, leaving only queens, eggs and a few immature worker bees, it is known as Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD). Usually there is an obvious reason for this, such as illness or attacks from predators. However, there doesn't seem to be a straightforward answer for the current problem. Many of the beekeepers have also reported that other bees, animals and moths stayed away from the abandoned nests, which is not normal and may indicate a serious problem. Bees are one of the most essential insects on the human food chain. They are the main pollinators of hundreds of crops, nuts, flowers, vegetables and fruits. Albert Einstein once said that, if the bees disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left".

    One of the most popular theories which have been offered to explain this disappearance is that electromagnetic radiation given off by mobile phones and other gadgets interferes with the bees' navigation system, preventing them from finding their way back to the hive. German research has long shown that bees change their natural patterns of behaviour near power lines. So if mobile phones are causing bees to disappear, what are they doing to our health? While proof is not absolutely conclusive, there is mounting evidence that cell phones are dangerous to people. An official Finnish study found that people who used the phones for more than 10 years were 40 per cent more likely to get a brain tumour on the same side as they held the handset. Swedish research has shown that radiation from cell phones can kill off brain cells and may be one of the many reasons that dementia is on the rise. What will be the fate of all the young people today who are the first generation to have their own cell phones and use them regularly? Studies in India and the US have shown that men who use cell phones very regularly have reduced sperm counts. Even if we choose to not have a mobile phone ourselves, the masts are all around us, causing stress. It has been suggested that eating a diet that is seriously high in antioxidants, which povide natural protection against cellular damage from all environmental toxins, will also counteract the damaging effects of mobile phones. Raw cacao, pomegranates, blueberries, and broccoli sprouts are some of the most antioxidant-rich foods.
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  • Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:33 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    WiFi System at Spain's University of Baiona Cause of Students' "Discomfort"

    Hi All

    This story is from Spain but it has been forwarded to me from France. The translation to English is not very clear but I think we are able to understand the general meaning.

    It appears that students at the University of Baiona have been complaining of headaches, breathing problems and dizziness (symptoms of microwave exposure illness). In response the University is conducting air testing. When the University WiFi system failed, persons on the campus soon noticed an improvement in their health.

    It will be interesting to see whether the University management will recognize the dangers of microwave radiation and take positive action, or whether they will continue to deny that electro magnetic radiation is harmful and fail to protect students and staff.

    Martin Weatherall
    www.weepinitiative.org

    From: "Sylvie"
    Subject: Spain wifi = discomfort at the University of Baiona

    http://www.eitb.com/noticias/detalle/19700/ondas-podrian-estar-en-origen-molestias-en-baiona/

    Some (electro-magnetic radiation) waves could be the source of the discomfort at the University of Baiona.

    While carrying out analysis of the air in the IUT of Baiona from the malaise of last week, failure of the Wi-Fi system on Monday has agree with a sense of well being in the administrative offices.

    This week, classes at the Faculty of Commerce of Bayonne have been displaced to the old campus. An inspection by the technical services and hygiene of the place in Baiona did not allow to conclude what are the causes of headaches and dizziness for students, and if they have to do with the air.

    All this week, and the next (week of vacation in Iparralde), there will be some air sensors installed in offices, in the auditorium and administrative offices of the new university, opened for only one month.

    On Tuesday morning, employees who had felt headaches felt much better than the day before: the disappearance of headaches, breathing feeling better. However, it had not yet conducted any special treatment from the air.

    Because the simple installation of devices to measure could not be at the origin of this improvement, only a precautionary measure, more discreet, improvements that could explain that the affected employees have felt since Monday: Wi-Fi connections in the administrative area, positioned a few meters of offices, in the corridors of the ITU, have been withdrawn.

    If the measurements of air shows little determinants, the issue of electro-magnetic waves and its harmful influence on the so-called electro-hypersensitive people will have to be analyzed.

    Disorders Wifi

    According to the World Health Organization, the electromagnetic hypersensitivity "is characterized by various symptoms that affected people attribute to exposure to electromagnetic fields (EMF). These symptoms can include dermatological symptoms (redness, tingling sensation and burning sensations), neurasthenic and vegetative .....
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  • Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:35 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Government petition to recognise Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity
    http://www.es-uk.info/news/20080821_es_petition.asp

    Government petition to recognise Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity

    This petition was instigated because electrosensitive people in the UK are finding increasingly that they have nowhere to go to escape the pain and debilitating symptoms of ES (electrosensitivity) and EHS (electromagnetic hypersensitivity) - a more severe form of ES.

    In 2008 upgrades, changes and/or new additions to 3G,TETRA, WiFi, radar, military equipment - and perhaps the introduction of 4G - has made life even more difficult for these people who have lost the quality of their lives as they used to be and often their Human Right to live in peace in their own homes.

    As the WHO, government advisors etc dismiss ES/EHS on the grounds of lack of scientific evidence, these people are disbelieved by all authorities, to include most medical staff. They are therefore isolated from community and national help and ignored and/or degraded.

    Many of these electrosensitive people cannot even go shopping, travel, enjoy leisure pursuits, go for walks, visit relatives in other areas etc. Family relationships can break down under the strain and because of the total denial of this condition by authority and society.

    Many more and even younger people, to include students and children, are being sensitised by these technologies which are powered by pulsed microwave radiation. The toll on animal life is beyond belief.

    We ES/EHS in the UK are calling for the right to have our lives back and for the inhumane treatment of us all to stop. Please sign the petition.

    Links

    http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ES-EHSPetition/ - UK Government ES-EHS Petition (View External Website)
    http://www.es-uk.info/news/20080821_es_petition.pdf - PDF copy of the petition (View PDF Document)
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  • Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:37 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Mobile phone radiation fries sperm - study
    By Tamara McLean
    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24524203-36398,00.html

    October 20, 2008 04:39pm
    Article from: AAP



    MEN who talk for hours on their mobile phones could be jeopardising their chance of fathering a child, Australian research suggests.

    An experiment on semen revealed evidence of DNA damage after 16 hours of exposure to radiation similar to the output of a mobile phone.

    The preliminary study, presented at a fertility conference in Brisbane today, is the first of its kind, and supports US research showing heavy mobile phone users have up to 40 per cent lower sperm counts than lighter users.

    Researchers at the University of Newcastle built a device to irradiate sperm at the same radio frequency as mobile telephone calls.

    Professor John Aitken, director of the university's Centre of Excellence in Biotechnology and Development, said they were able to accurately identify high levels of DNA fragmentation in the sperm.

    "After 16 hours exposure, there was clear evidence of DNA damage," Prof Aitken said.

    "This is a very early finding from our analysis, but it does raise concerns."

    DNA damage in spermatozoa has been associated with decreased fertility, increased risk of miscarriage and various kinds of disease in offspring, including childhood cancer, and a number of neurological disorders such as autism, bipolar disorder and spontaneous schizophrenia.

    In the study, damage was caused by oxidative stress - when the generation of free radicals exceeds the body's own anti-oxidant defence mechanisms.

    Prof Aitken said it was well known that sperm DNA fragmentation was predominantly triggered by oxidative stress which may arise from infection, smoking or older age, but there had been little research about the link with mobile phones.

    Unsaturated fatty acids in foods such as margarine were also known to trigger free radicals and potential oxidative stress, he said.

    "We also suspect components of acne treatment may give rise to potential free radical effects, but we have yet to find a dermatologist willing to participate in such a study," he said.

    The team said if oxidative stress caused DNA damage to sperm, anti-oxidant treatments might provide a cure.

    A recent German study suggested that seat warmers fitted in many luxury model cars may also be damaging sperm by raising scrotum temperature above optimal semen production conditions.
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  • Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:41 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Russian National Committee's Proclomation on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (RNCNIRP) Ignored by World Media

    http://omega.twoday.net/stories/5272795/
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  • Monday, October 12, 2009 10:34 AM virginia pergola wrote:
    What is the status of the B.R.A.C.T. action against the Village of Bayville ?
    Also, what was the Village paid for the Tower and the monthly lease for the property it was erected on ? I'm curious, because the Board of Trustees for the Inc. Village of Manorhaven, N.Y. have done the same thing and sold out it's residents. As we speak, a Tower is going up in our Village. Please let me know if you were successful in anyway. Tk U, Virginia
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  • Monday, January 11, 2010 9:26 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Cell Phone Antennas Blamed for Kindergarten Cancer Cases

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/wpix-cancer-bayville-school,0,7715148.story

    BAYVILLE, N.Y. (WPIX) - A lawsuit is set to be filed Monday alleging that the cancer afflicting students and teachers of a Bayville school is caused by the dozens of cell phone antennas attached to a nearby water tower.

    Three young students of Bayville Primary School have already died of leukemia and many more are sick.

    "We believe as much as 30 percent of the teachers, administrative staff and employees have been diagnosed with some type of illness, cancer, leukemia and things of that nature," said Attorney Andrew Campanelli.

    A brief email to WPIX from the school district denies Campanelli's statement.

    However, the cell phone antennas are a painful reminder for Beverly Pacifico, whose son Mitchell, a student at Bayville, recently won a painful two-year battle with leukemia.

    "My son went through 102 weeks of chemotherapy," Pacifico said. His leukemia has been in remission for the past two years.

    Bayville is a public school, and those parents in the district without the financial means to enroll their child in a private school face a terrible decision.

    Madeleine Parrin, whose requests to transfer her children to neighboring public schools were denied, said, "It kills me every day when I drop them off or send them on the bus to go to that school."

    The lawsuit seeks to have the antennas removed, citing a village law that states that public property near a school or within a mile of residences cannot be used for profit. The cell phone antennas bring $200 thousand annually to the village coffers.

    So far, the mayor of Bayville has not returned phone calls from WPIX.
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  • Monday, January 11, 2010 4:11 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    What shameless and irresponsible, fear-mongering and journalism.

    Good luck to the next Mayor of Bayville who has to deal with these litigious kooks.

    No one wishes cancer on children, or teachers, or staff. Of the 3 children who died, one moved here already diagnosed from California, and the other lived in Florida. Where did Campanelli get that outrageous 30% figure from? Note the quote BEGINS with "some type of illness". So do cell phone antennas now cause every ailment known to mankind? Got Lupus? Must be because of the cell phone antennas. C'mon people. Get real.

    The school district conducted an independent study on the cell tower last year and the conclusion was clear that the emissions from the antennas were well within Federal guidelines and would cause NO HARM.

    Bottom line, the litigants have NO PROOF.
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  • Monday, January 11, 2010 6:17 PM Mark Beaumont wrote:
    Absolutely, Lisa.

    This WPIX stuff was actually broadcast on their NY news program the other night... did no one see it? High profile Bayville... but the sensationalism was appalling. I don't believe Mr. "Creative" Campanelli was quoted, but you would have thought we were all living under threat of nuclear annihilation, the way they presented it.

    If you want to cut down risks to your children, BRACTites, get rid of your cell phones, not the tower antennae. Ah... not prepared to do that, are you... but personal cell phone use is where the jury IS still out.

    As Lisa says, this water tower business is an argument long ago settled. Or certainly, one that should have been.

    Mark
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  • Monday, January 11, 2010 7:30 PM Unbelievable wrote:
    First, I would like to preface my comment by saying cancer is a horrible, devastating disease that I wouldn't wish upon anyone. I think by now we've all known someone who has been affected by the disease and can say that this is something serious that has a life-long impact on someone's life. That being said, I have to agree with the two posts above that this lawsuit is sensationalism at its peak. "We think 30% of the staff has been sick...." You would think a lawyer who opens his mouth to speak would research facts like that. Additionally, I would like to to inquire as to the source of that number. Also, in the News 12 interview, the ever brilliant lawyer states that they have no proof that it is making anyone sick, but that they don't need to because the antennae violate the deed. Can somebody make up their minds about which way they would like to twist the story??? Additionally, the neighbor who complains in the interview bought his house when there were antennae up there, so what is he talking about?
    I'm not trying to diminish the severity of this disease, but this is a worldwide problem as well. These inaccuracies and falsehoods do nothing more that spew lies and cause tension and senseless panic. If nothing has been proven as to the negative, carcinogenic effect of these towers, what is the big issue? You can't tell me for a second that anyone who truly believed that this towers were that harmful would, first off, own a cell phone because Lord knows how much radiation is coming out of that thing, but also wouldn't sue to send their kids to another district.
    According the News 12 story, the superintendent says that their findings of sick faculty are false. Furthermore, the school conducted its own study and found nothing abnormal about the levels in the school. Now, I don't fully trust the school district with other matters, but I do believe firmly that this is not an issue that they would take lightly or allow something harmful to happen in regards to the health of the students.
    I would like to inquire as to what happened with the original BRACT lawsuit brought against the Village? Were they successful? What were the terms of that suit, because, if I'm not mistaken, I believe that they were trying to prove that the Village was in violation of the deed. How is this different from the first? To me, this seems like just another way to induce fear and wreak havoc.
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  • Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:48 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."
    Aldous Huxley

    http://www.emfacts.com/
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  • Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:21 AM Sepp Hasslberger wrote:
    Before accusing people of propaganda and falsehoods, I think you - Lisa, Mark and Unbelievable - should do some research. As for cancers around phone masts, they do happen all over the place. Just the latest study that compiled some of the evidence is referenced in this article on the (UK) Times:

    http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article1687491.ece

    Cancer clusters at phone masts
    Daniel Foggo

    SEVEN clusters of cancer and other serious illnesses have been discovered around mobile phone masts, raising concerns over the technology’s potential impact on health.

    Studies of the sites show high incidences of cancer, brain haemorrhages and high blood pressure within a radius of 400 yards of mobile phone masts.

    One of the studies, in Warwickshire, showed a cluster of 31 cancers around a single street. A quarter of the 30 staff at a special school within sight of the 90ft high mast have developed tumours since 2000, while another quarter have suffered significant health problems...
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  • Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:27 PM Common sense wrote:
    Maybe just maybe if the current board would listen to what the residents of Bayville want instead of listening to a few "insiders" there would not be so many lawsuits against out small village. I do not know if the cell towers are causing a health problem nor does anyone, not even you Lisa. It could be like cigarettes and asbestos and in 20 years it will be proven, or it may not however is it worth the risk of our children's health for the couple hundred thousand dollars a year they bring in. How much is the village spending on these lawsuits probably all he money they are making. Lets make a wise decision as a town and get rid of the damn things. If that means getting rid of the current board for the possible possible health of our community then maybe that is the answer. They should be fighting to take them down not fighting their own residents to put more up. It just seems like common sense to me.
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  • Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:24 PM Unbelievable wrote:
    What leads you to believe that the residents of Bayville want the removal? What sort of majority would constitute a change of policy and a removal of the antennae? In a town of over 7000 why should a small group speak for/represent everyone? I'd like to know how many people comprise BRACT? Don't you think parents who truly felt there was danger would prohibit their children from attending the school? Wouldn't there be protests, marches, etc.? The bottom line is that even 200 people does not accurately represent the entire VOB. The lawyer in the case himself has clearly stated that there is no proof that the antennae cause any health problems. Where do we move them, especially the one for the police? Do you really want to go into all of the carcinogenic causing agents in the world today whether they be in food or cleaning products? What about lawn chemicals? To say that we need to replace the board because of a one group of people claiming something that is not proven is a ridiculous statement. There is no need to incite hatred and suspicion against people who have dedicated their time to our village in saying they do not cared about the health of its residents. When I see a cell phone burning demonstration I will believe that this is a serious situation. So far, I don't find any cause for concern.
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  • Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:20 PM Cathy Bristol wrote:
    I agree with Common Sense, bring a new Mayor and Board in and get rid of the cancer sticks, Bring back Michael Trama and the Bayville Family Party. He supports the removal of the cancer sticks, and pledges to make it one of his platforms. I would support him, and I know many others who would vote for him, what do others think about Mr. Trama running for mayor.
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  • Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:56 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Well, I am pleased to see that even though we have very different political viewpoints when it comes to national issues, Mark and I are in agreement on this issue.

    BRACT LOST! The Bayville Family Party LOST! The Resident's First Party LOST by a 2 to 1 margin. Put your aluminum foil hats on and move to an uninhabited island already and leave the rest of us Bavillians alone with your paranoia and lawsuits!!!
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  • Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:00 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Oh yes. Let's have Mr. Trama run for Mayor on the cell tower issue! Put it right up front and center! That way Bayville voters can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that these people and their agenda are about as popular as foot fungus.
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  • Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:28 PM Unbelievable wrote:
    I would like to know, aside from being against "cancer sticks" (funny, that's what I thought cigarettes were called), what makes him qualified to be mayor? What has he done related to local government aside from posts on this blog and a failed run for trustee? What does he know about how a village is run? Where is the "real" experience necessary to run a village of over 7000? Saying you're opposed to an issue does in no way qualify you for a job of such importance. Fortunately, we live in a democratic society and it seems to me that the residents of this town have come out in two key elections and they have shown what they want. I am not opposed to new blood, but, come on, some experience is a big plus. If I remember correctly he has no experience on a governmental front whatsoever. Start somewhere to gain experience and build from there.
    Again, show me the concern on this issue from the residents of this village, not a handful of litigious, anti-current mayor zealots.
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  • Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:25 PM Carl Johnson wrote:
    To Unbelievable
    I'm one of those 7000 resident of Bayville and I'm all for new blood. I do not know Mr. Trama personally but I do know that he is life long resident of Bayville and is someway connected to Veterans Affairs. He once spoke at a locale event and was a great presenter. I would encourage a young person to run, to bring fresh ideas and an outside opinion. As far as personal agendas, he would need to forget those and move on, it would political suicide. Does anyone have any knowledge if Mr. Trama is running for Mayor or not. Please let the blog user know. Let the vetting process start.
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  • Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:43 AM Common sense wrote:
    Unbelievable,

    You are unbelievable, great name why don't you take your head out of your
    _ _ _.... A good politician in this country just means they have to be full of _ _ _ _ and a fast talker. It has nothing to do with what the people want or what they are going to do. It has to do with what they can make the people believe what they will do and then just do what will give them more power and advance there own careers. That is what politics is about for 90% of the politicians, and make no mistake our own Vicky is in that 90%.
    Since when does a politician need any type of experience. Look at our President he had virtually no experience and the majority of people voted for him. Did you vote for change..... Change thats what the majority of the country wanted well we got change. Change from a democracy to socialism. I think every politician should have term limits. We have it for our president and it should be law right down to our small village trustees. WAke up Bayville lets get rid of the cell towers. What are we as a village really getting for it pennies per person. Why is it every educated village in Long Island is fighting putting thses things up and our village is fighting its own residents instead of standing by their side and getting them removed. Who is profitting from these things. Wake up Bayville. By the way some people should get a life and stop smoking those funny looking sigarettes and maybe there vision in life would not be so cloudy. You know who you are you regular writers on this blog...
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  • Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:51 PM Team Player wrote:
    I was just wondering.
    This is not the first time someone said that Mike Trama had/has a personal agenda.
    I voted for him , know him and know that he is one of the hardest working men I know. He contributes to our community through his children and through the Veterans. He is a good man and I hate to see people discredit his efforts during the last election based on saying he had and or has a personal agenda. If he does have one like you are saying, what is it???
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  • Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:11 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Dear Team Player,

    According to blogger Cathy Bristol:

    "Bring back Michael Trama and the Bayville Family Party. He supports the removal of the cancer sticks, and pledges to make it one of his platforms."

    Now of course, Mr. Trama is free to state otherwise if that is not his agenda, those are only the words of a "supporter". But if trying to get the antennas removed from the cell tower is one of Trama's primary missions as a Mayoral candidate, that should be made clear up front so voters can be aware and cast an informed vote.
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  • Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:47 PM Jen wrote:
    Regardless of who is running for mayor in the upcoming election and what their agenda is, I think even before that what needs to be considered is the person's availability to the village. Running the village is a full time job and shouldn't be considered a popularity contest between lifelong residents and newcomers or young and old. I think that unless a person is willing to be available to the village on a full time basis than they shouldn't even consider running.
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  • Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:22 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Jen,

    Interesting point, but in these hard economic times, I don't know how reasonable it is to expect that anymore. The Mayor's salary is only $2,500 a year.
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  • Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:38 PM Unbelievable wrote:
    Jen - You bring up an excellent point that I didn't even consider or think about. You are 100% correct when you say it's a full time job and the person running needs to be available on a full time basis. It may be difficult for someone with a full-time job to effectively and adequately run our village. And to top it all off, the salary clearly won't motivate many to run. As I stated before, there is nothing wrong with new blood and I agree with you when you said young or old, newcomer or lifelong resident shouldn't matter.
    I would like to know more about how Mr. Trama has contributed to the community through his children and veterans. While I believe that is a commendable quality, I also don't think that necessarily will prepare you for a governmental job. Look at the little league field on any given game day and you will see dozens of devoted, altruistic people given back to the community.
    Perhaps we are speculating a bit much given the fact that no one has shown any intention of running for mayor yet. I'm sure that this will be a hot topic on the blog in the months to come. Let's also keep in mind that a trustee position and the mayoral position are two very different positions. We need a mayor who is experienced, available and committed to the village 110%.
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  • Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:58 PM Team Player wrote:
    Lisa,
    Aren't you the one that wrote Mike had personal agendas??? Did you explain that comment?
    Unbelievable,
    Mike has not thrown his hat in the rink so I do not think he needs to defend himself here as to your inquiry about his community service.

    Being Mayor is not a job you need special training for, if you are a successful business person or work within a corporate realm I think your life experience in the real workforce will you get through the learning curve of being Mayor. Most importantly you need leadership qualities.
    Let's face it, it is not rocket science. Our current Mayor was a housewife prior to her tenure... which I think equally prepares you to deal with the job.

    As for time, most LI Mayors hold full time jobs in addition to their position as Mayor. Those Villages are much larger than Bayville and consider their positions of Mayor as part-time. A competent person should be able to do it with proper management skills.

    If someone decides to run I look forward to hearing their positive ideas for our Village. Unfortunately, my feeling is he TIP party will run unopposed and win all the seats again. So much for democracy!!!
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  • Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:01 PM Michelle Benia wrote:
    GO TRAMA, YOU GOT MY HUBANDS and I VOTE.
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  • Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:44 PM Jen wrote:
    It might be true that in other villages the Mayor is only there on a part time basis. However, Bayville (no matter how small we are) has had someone who has been comletely devoted to the village over her many years serving it. In my opinion the residents have grown accustomed to that type of service and would be in for a rude awakening if whomever steps in next is more of a figurehead, mostly absent from the village hall while they are busy working a full time job and supporting and raising a young family. I agree with Unbelievable and think we need someone who will be there for Bayville and its residents 110% of the time. Lets also consider that voting for someone just to get "new blood" in and get the TIP party out isn't necessarily the smartest or most mature thing to do. Whomever becomes the next mayor needs to be able to combine the old with the new, not just in ideas but with residents as well. The us and them attitude needs to be dropped and Bayvillians need to come together as a village to make it the best it can be.
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  • Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:05 PM Team Player wrote:
    There is going to be a new Mayor whether it is under the TIP party or not, and that person is going to do things differently from the way they have been done for the past 25 years. If Doug Watson runs and wins what is he going to do quit working to serve 24/7?
    It will be different even if a TIP candidate wins. It is called change and it is ok, we will all live.

    I agree with your old/new argument. I voted for Pete V and the other new lady whose name I cannot remember and Mike. I mixed the old with the new. I thought it would be a great mix of people and ideas for the board. The old/new argument is tiresome, and counter productive.

    However, if one person had won last election from Mike's party that one person would still be a minority on the board by a 6:1 ratio. I cannot see how that is scary or wrong in some peoples eyes. As soon as someone mentions running against the TIP party on this blog, the backs get arched and the notion that no one can run this Village like TIP is spewed out.

    I hope other people who have lived here for their entire lives run for office to serve their community. It would be nice to have representation from other perspectives on a board. One person cannot control it, not even the Mayor. The board has an equal vote to the Mayor.

    But like I said, I think this discussion will be all for naught, since I do not think anyone will run against the TIP party.
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  • Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:17 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Team Player,

    >>>>>>>Aren't you the one that wrote Mike had personal agendas??? Did you explain that comment?>>>>>>>>

    No, Team Player, I did not write that Mr. Trama, whom I don't know personally, had personal agendas. I explained that if his "agenda" includes pledging to fight to remove the antenna's from the cell tower as his supporter here claims he pledged, then he should be up front about it so the voters can make an informed decision.
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  • Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:26 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>The board has an equal vote to the Mayor. >>>>>>>>>

    This is incorrect. The Mayor does not have veto power. There are 6 Trustees and the Mayor makes a 7th vote in the event of a tie.

    http://www.bayvilleny.gov/government/index.php
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  • Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:42 PM Team Player wrote:
    What I wrote was true and not incorrect. All of the members of the board and Mayor vote on an issue equally. There are 7 so there is never a tie. I think you misunderstood what I wrote.

    A few comments ago you wrote about Mike, go back and check it out.
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  • Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:42 PM commonsense wrote:
    Jen.

    Wake up the current board with our so called 110% mayour is the biggest culpret of dividing this comunity she has spearheaded with the help of trouble makers on this blog who have nothing better to do with there time on dividing this community. Doug Watson himself at a community meeting said "you people" when taking about some new residents of Bayville. If this guy runs for Maoyr we are all IN TROUBLE. ALL......
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  • Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:11 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Team Player,

    Apparently you are unable to read and express yourself properly. You referred to the Board collectively as having an equal vote to the Mayor. If you meant to state that each Trustee has one vote and the Mayor has one vote, then you should have said as much. I went back and re-read my comments and re-explained them for you. You should do the same.

    lackofcommonsense -

    Why is it always the disgruntled, nasty, litigious minority that refuses to see themselves as the ones causing division in our community?
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  • Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:08 PM Jen wrote:
    Thank you Lisa! I love how people cause a ton of trouble, bad mouth the current administration and sit behind their computer with annonymos names but it is somehow everybody else who is causing the problem. Grow up. Just because there are some people here who are happy with our Mayor and feel like her and the board have done a good job doesn't mean I need to wake up. I have no problem with new people coming in as long as they have good intentions. But contrary to popular belief there are some people (such as myself) who were born and raised in Bayville who will not jump on a bandwagon and spew venom against either side whether I am for them or against them.
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  • Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:13 PM Unbelievable wrote:
    "...she has spearheaded with the help of trouble makers on this blog who have nothing better to do with there time on dividing this community."

    That statement is laughable because it seems to me to label anyone who supports the mayor as "troublemakers" shows just how biased some people are. If anything, I would say that the blog is predominantly anti-mayor and very vocal and nasty in those regards. These are the comments that are divisive and hatred-filled and what, in my opinion, has ultimately caused any opponents to suffer their downfall during the election, as well as divide the community. I liken it to how Obama opponents treat him and his ideas with an inordinate amount of disrespect (and there has been much of that on the blog as well). Let's face it, whether you like her or not, the mayor has served a village for an incredible amount of time and down some pretty wonderful things. Does she have her faults, yes, as will any future mayor. Opponents fail to give credit where credit is due and instead sling insults and falsehoods. Again, not against new blood, but their is an aspect of respect that needs to be shown.
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  • Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:18 PM Strange wrote:
    I'm convinced that Bayville is filled with more emotionally disturbed people than in any other town on Long Island....and quite possibly all of NY state. One more thing...Do the men in Bayville work? All I ever see driving around and/or shopping and frequenting the mom and pop stores are the men in this town. I guess the wives are the ones that work around here and the Mr. Mom rule is in full effect. By the way, what ever happened to the REAL Michael Keaton? Strange.......
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  • Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:57 PM Team Player wrote:
    Lisa,
    No need for angry tones. That is what I meant. I thought it was clear. I am sorry I am not as good at expressing myself as you are.
    No need to insult me. I will pay close attention on how to make my writings crystal clear for those reading the blog.
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  • Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:29 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Team Player,

    No angry tones here. I mean what I say and I say what I mean. You persisted in accusing me of accusing Mr. Trama of having a "personal agenda" after I had already explained that it was a political "agenda" to which I referred. I just get tired of repeating facts and being told I "misinterpreted" or "misrepresented" something, when it is others who try to twist my words and misrepresent what I said.
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  • Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:32 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Unbelievable,

    Oh, you didn't just compare Siegel to Obama, now did you?
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  • Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:01 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Jen,

    You're welcome! I don't think any of us "oldtimers" have anything against new people moving to Bayville. After all, many of us at some point may need to sell houses here. I, for one, don't care if the people who want to buy my house are white or black, live in Bayville now, or are moving here from California or France. I DO hope that whoever buys my house will be someone who wants to live peacefully with their neighbors and contribute to the community in a positive way. And, as a longtime Bayvillian, I would offer my house to my neighbors first before officially putting it on the market in case they have family or friends they would like to have next door.

    Vicki has served this Village selflessly for 25+ years. She is a woman of her word and a shining example of what REAL transparency in government means. She's a loving Mom, Grandma, wife, homeowner and friend to many and shame on those who try and compare her service to Mussolini. I know I could never have stayed as even-tempered and fair minded as she has been over the years, especially faced with the hateful lawsuits and false accusations lobbed her way.

    I'll just leave you with Joni Mitchell's words - "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone ..."
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  • Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:23 PM Jay Stevens Credible Source wrote:
    HOT OFF THE PRESS, a very close friend of my just returned from a campaign meeting for Mr. Trama. Mr. Trama has announced to a very small group his intention on running for mayor. Apparently the group got together to speak about funding and campaign issues. My friend did not go into great detail. One thing I know for sure is that he is running alone, not with a party or anyone else. One last note, their were 20 or so people at the meeting, one person who attended the meeting has very strong political ties inside and outside of bayville. This is great news for the community, this spring should be interesting. Let the lies and slander begin...
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  • Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:23 PM Unbelievable wrote:
    Oh no Lisa. I wasn't comparing the mayor to Obama, just the situation. I feel so much in society today is divided. Obviously, politics is in the forefront. If you disagree with someone's political view, you're marked as the one who needs to "wake up". I feel on a certain level, there is an extreme lack of respect for our commander in chief. For example, the big to-do over his speech to school children was ridiculous. He's the president and in my opinion there should be no problem with him addressing the nation's children. But, because some do not support him, it was viewed as a political move to "brainwash" the students. I do believe that Vicky is automatically trashed by a lot of people who probably don't even really care that she's served the Village so faithfully for so many years. There is a HUGE lack of respect, whether you agree with her or not. Perhaps I'm just old-fashioned in my thinking. I firmly believe in speaking out for what you want and what you believe, but there is a fine line between expressing your opinions and disrespect.
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  • Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:54 PM crunchy mommy wrote:
    These responses are getting way off topic.....the real topic is getting rid of the cell phone towers. Lets just say the 30% number is way off....lets just imagine that it is only 1% or just one child...wouldn't that one child be one too many? Is the life of one child or one teacher or one Bayville resident worth more that the "measily" $200K that the cell providers pay? I'm sorry, but I don't think so. $200K divided 7000 is about 28 bucks - equivilant to a pizza and couple cokes at Ralph's PER YEAR.

    So many parents are now sending their children to private/parochial schools, because, like me, if there is the slightest chance that my child/ren could get sick, I'm not willing to risk it. Are you? How could I live with myself knowing that? Do you realize that every student that Bayville elementary loses to other schools causes the school taxes to go up? And I think that number is way more than $28 dollars per year.

    What happens when prospective parents/young people looking to purchase a home in Bayville, simply Google us and find this issue? Would you buy a house here? More importantly, will they? They only way for a town to continue to thrive and survive is for the influx of new and young people. Otherwise, eventually it will die.
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  • Friday, January 15, 2010 10:24 AM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    crunchy mommy,

    Are you typing your post on wireless internet in your home? Do you own a cell phone? Does your child have a cell phone? Do you use a microwave oven? Stop being such a hypocrite.

    Do you honestly believe that parents are sending their children to private schools because of the cell tower RF's and not because they believe they will receive a better education in private schools?

    If you paranoid nutjobs would stop suing the Village over this ridiculous issue, prospective homebuyers wouldn't come across this issue on Google.

    STOP DEVALUING OUR REAL ESTATE with your paranoia. Seriously, enough is enough!
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  • Friday, January 15, 2010 12:15 PM East Ender wrote:
    Crunchy Mommy- Good point. Seems to me that the case is being brought because the village looks to have violated the restrictions on the deed. The health concern in that article/program was a talking point and the article did say that the statement was an error of some kind. Sounds fair to me. If the village made a mistake by allowing the commercial use of this land than it needs to be corrected. The mayor has answered in the past that the decision was based on legal opinion from the reading of the deed. Sounds like it needs to be interpreted by a judge for me. All those people who say well get rid of your cell phone are just trying to use smoke and mirrors. Those arguments are personal decisions, not ones that the local neighbors and children have to sit through hours and days of exposure. No to the wireless internet, no to the microwave- got rid of that 8 years ago. No to the kids with cell phones. Yes to my cell phone, but I use every precaution and a head set as advised. Take the antenna down if they violate the deed.
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  • Friday, January 15, 2010 12:19 PM crunchy mommy wrote:
    Hey name calling B1TCH,

    1. NO, I do not use a wireless internet connection.
    2. I have a cell phone that is built into my car - NOT a handheld unit.
    3. I DO NOT use a microwave as I chose not to radiate my family's food.
    4. Stop clouding the issue with BS.

    GET A GRIP - people are sending their kids to other schools because of the cell towers. If you think they are not YOU ARE DELUDED!

    Our real estate is devalued by people just like you. The ones that hide their heads under rocks. Years ago they thought asbestos was safe - guess what THEY WERE WRONG. Anyway, Google Bayville. People will read this and decide for themselves. Based on your posts alone, I would run screaming.

    Let your grandkids or maybe great grandkids (you seem pretty old) be the guinea pigs. Not my children.
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  • Friday, January 15, 2010 12:56 PM Unbelievable wrote:
    Once again, people are showing how classy they can be. Way to go Bayville....I hope the blog administrators delete that and block that person from posting again. Once again, the minute someone disagrees with someone else, nastiness evolves. Talk about name calling.....practice what you preach.
    Can someone tell me the outcome of the original lawsuit brought against the Village which dealt specifically with the deed? Was there ever a decision in the case? What was the outcome? How is the current lawsuit different?
    Also, I don't think it was the current mayor's administration that allowed the cell towers to be placed there. It was the one prior to her who started it.
    Secondly, does anyone have any suggestions about where to relocate them? Or are you talking about eliminating them completely from the village? What about the ones for police and firemen?
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  • Friday, January 15, 2010 1:39 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Hi Unbelievable,

    Thank you for being a sane, polite, rational voice.

    The following is the summary article from The Leader on BRACT's case being dismissed:

    http://www.theleaderonline.com/2008/DecisioninBayvilleBattleOver.htm

    BRACT has caused controversy between LVCSD and Village government:

    http://www.theleaderonline.com/2008/LVCSD%20Jumps%20into%20Bayville%20Tower%20Debate.htm

    It should also be noted that last year LVCSD conducted an independent study (on our taxdollars) which showed NO HARM can be proven from the level of RF's emitted from the tower, based on the elevation of the school and the distance. I Googled it and can't seem to find it online, but I also just called administration. No one was available but they'll get back to me with the link and when I get it, I'll post it here.

    Third, during the hearings for the Police Emergency Antenna (which is what reignited BRACT's frenzy), relocation of the antennas was discussed, but no alternative acceptable site was ever proposed. The Water Tower sits at the highest elevation in Bayville.

    Fourth, these radioheads seem to keep forgetting about the Federal Communications Act of 1996. Federal legislation is messy and expensive to overturn.
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  • Friday, January 15, 2010 2:04 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    East Ender,

    The deed issue WAS heard by a judge. It was DISMISSED. Please read the Leader article I posted above. Thank you.
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  • Friday, January 15, 2010 2:21 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    crunchy mommy,

    You haven't been wearing your tinfoil hat like a good girl, now have you? It seems your brain cells are already crunchy critters, a little irradiation might spark them back to life!

    Now go sit in the corner for using the naughty 'B' word. Shame on you! What kind of example are you setting for your children?
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  • Friday, January 15, 2010 3:57 PM crunchy mommy wrote:
    McLaugh-in,

    I didn't realize how old you are. We call it aluminum foil now. Since the early 1900's.

    These days "crunchy" refers to organic or fresh. Something your styrofoam generation might not be familiar with.

    BTW, bitch means FEMALE DOG. Look it up.

    Again, try not to cloud the real issue. Most Bayville residents that I have spoken with are either totally against the cell towers OR don't care. I have not come across anyone who is PRO cell tower. Are you? And why?

    You would think most residents would want to live in a harmonious community (you might want to look up that word up to) where you care about neighbors and your fellow man. Why would you want parents (members of your own community) to feel scared or uneasy to send their children to the local elementary school? Why should we have to wonder if our kids might become sick from it? Whether you believe its rational or not - in the spirit of community - couldn't you see this side of the issue?

    The NYC fire dept does not allow cell towers on the firehouses for fear there could be a possibility of damage to the firefighters. Why would you want to experiment with the children in your community? Ten years from now RF could be like "Agent Orange". Do you want that on your conscience?

    Have you ever noticed the increase in autism rates almost parallels the onslaught of cellular communications? Graph it and see.
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  • Friday, January 15, 2010 4:30 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Unbelievable,

    By the time I got back from IGA, Dr. Hunderfund has already e-mailed me the report! LVCSD is to be commended on their most amenable and timely communication! I uploaded the .pdf to my website so all can read:

    http://truthaboutib.com/images/Bayville_Cell_Phone_Tower_Report.pdf
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  • Friday, January 15, 2010 4:42 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    crunchy mommy,

    >>>>>>>>>"Whether you believe its rational or not - in the spirit of community - couldn't you see this side of the issue?">>>>>>>>

    In the spirit of the community, can't YOU accept the FACT that the courts, the school district, the Village government, the Federal government, an independent firm and the American Cancer society have ruled your fears to be irrational and unfounded?

    I thought this case was closed and put to rest. I guess some people never learn to take NO for an answer.
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  • Friday, January 15, 2010 5:40 PM Unbelievable wrote:
    Crunchy - BTW FYI
    bitch –noun
    1. a female dog.
    2. a female of canines generally.
    3. Slang.
    a. a malicious, unpleasant, selfish person, esp. a woman.
    b. a lewd woman.
    4. Slang.
    a. a complaint.
    b. anything difficult or unpleasant: The test was a bitch.
    c. anything memorable, esp. something exceptionally good: That last big party he threw was a real bitch.
    Classy, nice........ Promoting harmony and a sense of community, really? Everyone looks out for everyone? I see clearly your a pillar of the community.
    Thank you Lisa for the info. I wasn't aware that the case had been decided already. Can you/and or someone else explain the premise of the new case and how it differs from the old? The lawyer blatantly stated in print and on TV that there was no proof that the towers caused any health problems and referred to the deed as the source for complaint. Does anyone have any info. on this front? Is there a way to see the lawsuit online?
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  • Friday, January 15, 2010 9:10 PM East ender wrote:
    First of all it is BS that this can fly...can't wait to see what the spin on this is when the FCC figures out it was wrong and FCC compliance goes the way of asbestos, cigarettes etc etc etc. "any question concerning the health risks of FCC-compliant devices may not be contested by a local municipality, but is preempted by federal law, which allows for this type of installation operating within FCC approved levels. The court dismissed these charges as the approved installation is FCC-compliant and any claims to health risks directly violates FCC findings.
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  • Friday, January 15, 2010 9:20 PM East ender wrote:
    Secondly, per the Jan 15 issue of the Oyster Bay Guardian. This case has not been decided. This is a new case. It seems their argument is that a higher NYS Court has already found that the decision that the restrictive covenants could not be enforced due to the FTA of 1996 was in direct conflict with an earlier ruling that the Federal Act does not pre-empt enforcement rights of private property rights. So sounds like its possible that this information was not presented in time for it to be considered in the decision of the previous case. Maybe the only way to bring that info forward since the village told the Hoys that it was a "done deal" was to go to court. Still sounds reasonable to me.
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  • Friday, January 15, 2010 10:54 PM crunchy mommy wrote:
    Unbelievable,

    Check the time stamps of the posts. Your "friend" starting hurling the insults. Paranoid nutjob is far more slanderous than bitch.

    Her throwing out insults is just the way she clouds the issues. Peruse the blogs previous posts....she starts her ranting and has turned so many people away from this blog. What a shame!

    She lies and you swear to it. You guys are made for each other. Wake up!
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  • Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:47 AM Unbelievable wrote:
    My point is that profanity is not really necessary hear. If you can't intelligently argue your points, well then too bad for you. I'm not defending anyone, but would like to know the facts of the class, which she clearly provided. Just because I'm not quick to hop on your granola-crunching bandwagon doesn't mean I need to wake up.
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  • Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:55 AM Unbelievable wrote:
    Sorry, in my haste to reply to the accusations presented and due to the fact that I have yet had coffee, the word "Class" should be replaced with "case".
    Thank you!
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  • Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:01 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Unbelievable,

    The only "facts" I know about this new and frivolous lawsuit were those so erroneously reported in the WPIX article. I am sure after causing more controversy, divisiveness, anguish and waste of our taxdollars, this new case will be dismissed the same as the previous case.

    Coffee - good
    Granola - constipation


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  • Saturday, January 16, 2010 1:43 PM KM wrote:
    Hear Ye Hear Ye , two simple questions for the pro- antenna crowd : 1 have you ever stood by the water tower and looked at all the cables, machinery , and antennas ? do you think maybe there is a little overkill going on here ? 2: since you've all guaranteed there is nothing possibly harmful being done can you tell me where I can see one other water tower with a similar situation anywhere on L.I. ? thanks
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  • Saturday, January 16, 2010 2:03 PM Unbelievable wrote:
    Pro-antenna may be a bit strong. I just can't believe that an organization such as the American Cancer Society would sit idly by if these antenna were so harmful. And again, I point to the fact that I don't see very many people tossing away their cell phones and microwaves. (And the three or four people on here who have commented that they have done this have, to this point, seem to be in the minority). In terms of finding similar situations with cell towers, I think our problem is our location. It's obvious that the tower represents one of the highest points in Bayville. I think that when the cell antenna were first put up there, it was clearly the most logical place. Where else would the go if you want them removed? And again, what about the police communication that is up there? Do we leave that? I see a lot of people complaining, but no one offering any solutions at all.
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  • Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:05 PM crunchy mommy wrote:
    A tower can be constructed ANYWHERE and the cost is the burden of the cell phone company. They are all over the island. Look around - sometimes they try to make them look like trees, alien trees that is.

    As far as the American Cancer Society goes the tobacco industry has stomped all over them. By the time the so-called warning labels appeared on cigarette packs, how many people had died from lung cancer?

    Same with the cell phone industry.....big business wins again. Throw a couple of dollars to a small village and they will roll over backwards to do what you want. Its simple greed.

    The police antennas could go over the new bathrooms at the beach. Limited human exposure and you could put the support pole as high as you like. Or behind Posideons another vast amount of wasted space and wouldn't compromise an elementary school. There are plenty of alternatives, without rolling over
    for "big business".
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  • Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:04 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    KM -

    I tried to get Mayor Siegel to let me put one of those tree-like antennas in my backyard but she said "NO!" Gawd, what a meanie! In fact, I'm pretty sure after I half-jokingly made the request, ($5,000 a month sure could help) the Board wrote language into the Code to prevent private property owners from being able to lease space to telecommunication companies.

    crunchy mommy,

    Are you aware Glen Cove High School installed a cell tower on top of the school? Are you going to accuse the Glen Cove BoE and administrators of trying to kill their students and staff?
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  • Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:20 PM crunchy mommy wrote:
    Ignorance (and deniability) is bliss.
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:16 AM can't fight the crazy wrote:
    crunchy mom,

    please stop wasting your breath trying to convince lisa of anything. know in your heart that you are making the correct choices for your family and let it be.

    Do the right thing for those you have ultimate responsibility for and let other parents make what they perceive to be the right decisions for their children. theirs might not agree with yours but what can you do?
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:40 AM Paul wrote:
    I do not own a cell phone. I use a landline. I do not use wireless Internet. I only use wired connections. My son does not use a cell phone. He hates them. We do not own a microwave oven. We use a conventional gas oven.
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:46 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Excuse me, but what is wrong with taking a precautionary approach when it comes to protecting public health and especially the health and welfare of your children? There is plenty of evidence out there now to show that the radiation being emitted by cell phones, cell phone towers, WiFi -- and yes, microwave ovens -- is dangerous. Check out the bioinitiative. http://www.bioinitiative.org/ When your children are developing brain tumors and leukemia, then it is really a lose-lose situation that we are talking about here. We all have a responsibility to protect their health, don`t we?
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:48 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
    Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:51 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    It is a known fact that after women go through menopause that their estrogen levels drop and their testosterone levels increase, which might possibly explain in part Lisa`s aggressive written behavior on this list.
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:55 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    It is also a known fact that the American Cancer Society receives a lot of funding from the cell phone industry. Hence, we really need to be digging a bit deeper when accepting their statements at face value. Having said that, a number of cancer societies in other countries are already posting warnings about cell phone usage. One would think from your postings here Lisa, that you are also somehow connected with this industry?
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:58 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Yes, that is what the definition says, "a. a malicious, unpleasant, selfish person, esp. a woman."
    doesn`t it. Thank you for sharing! Let the facts speak for themselves. btw, Since when has it become common practice to believe lawyers?
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:09 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Mobile phone masts and health in the news again

    By Ian Douglas Mobile Last updated: January 15th, 2010

    The erection of a new mobile phone mast is often met with local opposition, with complaints of headaches and rashes among the postbag. Sincere people report that their symptoms disappear when they spend time away from the mast, only to have them appear again when they return.

    iBurst, the South African mobile network, had just that experience when they built a tower in Fourways Memorial Park near the town of Craigavon near Johannesburg, in August of last year. A member of the Craigavon Task Force, a local residents’ group, emailed to say that local people had suffered from ‘headaches, nausea, tinnitus, dry burning itchy skins, gastric imbalances and totally disrupted sleep patterns, especially with some of the children.’

    The network called a meeting to say that the mast was very low powered and there was really no possibility of those phenomena appearing due to the signals coming from the mast, as there was no medical evidence that such radiation was harmful.

    Still they persisted, and iBurst agreed to turn off the tower at a meeting on the 16th of November, revealing that in fact the tower had already been off for six weeks, and no signal had been present in Craigavon while the reports of illness had taken place.

    The Craigavon Task Force insists it will continue to fight against the tower and that their objections were never confined to health complaints, but iBurst report that follow-up community meetings have been less well attended.

    Hat tip: mybroadband.co.za
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:13 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Fighting new phone mast

    http://www.shieldsgazette.com/letters/Fighting-new-phone-mast.5971953.jp

    Date: 11 January 2010

    I WOULD like to address Vodafone's comments in the article headlined '530 residents sign up to fight mast appeal' (Gazette, December 21).

    Vodafone's Dr Rob Matthews stated that it offered a meeting in April.
    Of the two letters received from Vodafone's representatives, neither offered a meeting. This will be pursued.

    Dr Matthews stated that nine alternative sites were reviewed, until March 2011. neglecting to mention that six are residential, one a listed building, one site was in Boldon Golf Club and the last in a cemetery.

    Vodafone claims the proposed site minimises the visual impact – planning a 12m pole topped by 1.6m antennae, a 1.5m by 1.48m cabinet and a 0.89m electrical pillar.

    Located on the footpath near homes, this will be highly visible, no matter what colour they paint it.

    Dr Matthews seeks to 'reassure' residents about health concerns, stating that World Health Organisation (WHO) studies have not provided evidence that radio frequency (RF) exposure from masts increases the risk of cancer.

    This comment ignores the scientific controversy surrounding RF radiation.

    Organisations such as the European Environment Agency have issued health warnings, a European Parliament resolution statedit is 'greatly
    concerned' and there are cases in Europe where councils are refusing and even dismantling masts, on the basis of health risks.

    The WHO advice was written by Dr MH Repacholi, co-ordinator of radiation and environmental health, who has documented links to the mobile phone industry.

    Out of respect for everybody who worked extremely hard in bringing our objection to this point, I would like to clarify that I am not lead petitioner; but on occasion, a spokesperson with the support of the residents.

    Beryl Massam,
    Front Street,
    East Boldon
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:15 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    County restricts towers for cell phones

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6812261.html

    By CHRIS MORAN HOUSTON CHRONICLE

    Jan. 12, 2010, 7:47PMCommissioners

    Court on Tuesday outlawed the placement of cellular telephone towers within 300 feet of residential neighborhoods in unincorporated Harris County.

    The measure passed on a 5-0 vote. Existing towers are not affected by the new county ordinance.

    Several representatives of the cell phone industry asked the court to delay the ordinance so they could have more input in its wording.

    “This does pose a challenge to us to bring coverage into the residential areas of the county,” said Shawn St. John, real estate and zoning manager in T-Mobile's Houston office.

    If restrictions on towers reduce coverage area, that could compromise public safety since 20 percent of Americans have no land line, he said.

    Neal Rackleff, a lawyer who represents T-Mobile, warned that the restrictions could preclude the use of preferred locations where towers are best camouflaged.

    Terry O'Rourke, first assistant county attorney, and Art Storey, executive director of the county's Public Infrastructure Department, said cell phone companies can negotiate exceptions to the rule In other action Tuesday:

    • Commissioners canceled a 3-year-old program that allowed motorists to pay their Houston airport parking fees with EZ Tags.

    • The board withdrew a proposal to join five other counties in pursuing state and federal money for storm protection planning and asked the county attorney to draw up an alternate plan that does not pledge any financial commitments.

    chris.moran@chron.com
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:19 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    October 2nd, 2005

    Getting a Cell Phone for Your Child? You May Want to Call up Research

    http://www.commercialalert.org/issues/culture/mobile-phones/getting-a-cell-phone-for-your-child-you-may-want-to-call-up-research

    By Nancy McVicar
    Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel

    Cell phones now come in child-sized versions, some in pink for girls, some with cartoon themes designed to appeal to boys and girls alike.

    But before you buy a wireless phone for your child’s next birthday, you should know that government agencies and expert panels in several European countries have cautioned against routine use of the phones by children because of health questions raised by recent studies.

    Some experts say research conducted during the past decade indicates the world’s 1.6 billion cell phone users are the equivalent of lab rats in a grand living laboratory and that children, with many years of cell phone use ahead of them, might be particularly vulnerable.

    “There is evidence from the laboratory that isn’t necessarily conclusive, but does point to a possible problem in the future,” said Norbert Hankin, an environmental scientist in the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Office of Radiation and Indoor Air, who has studied the effects of radio frequency/microwave radiation for 33 years. He says some of the research findings are “worrisome.”

    “Once people start using cell phones, they don’t change,” Hankin said. “Kids 10 years old are using cell phones. Is there going to be any kind of effect long term? We don’t know.”

    Research about cell-phone use hasn’t received the same media or public attention as other environmental health issues. But scientists are engaged in an escalating debate over the potential risks—a debate that some researchers say parallels early public-health disputes about secondhand smoke and toxic chemicals.

    Wireless phones emit low-level radio frequency/microwave radiation as they transmit a signal to a base station blocks or miles away. Research has shown that some of the radiation enters the user’s head, and some researchers are concerned repeated exposures over time might pose serious health risks, including cancer and benign tumor growth.

    Two U.S. agencies with authority to regulate the radiation emitted by the phones, the Food and Drug Administration and the Federal Communications Commission, have issued statements saying there is nothing to fear from the phones, and that they are safe for children.

    Joe Farren, a spokesman for CTIA-The Wireless Assocation—the international group representing carriers, manufacturers and wireless Internet providers—cites the FDA and FCC stances in saying the industry is offering a safe product to children and their parents.

    “This is an issue that should be guided by science, period. And the evidence does not show a danger to users of wireless phones,” Farren said. “What we constantly hear from parents is that they have a tremendous peace of mind when they give their child...
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:21 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/25072813/Wireless-Routers-in-Schools-May-Be-Harming-Students-and-Staff

    Wireless Routers in Schools May Be Harming Students and Staff
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:59 AM Angela Fllynn wrote:
    Regarding the WHO, FCC, FDA and the American Cancer Society, you will not find a needle in a haystack if you search with a pitchfork. These agencies choose to ignore the evidence of harm from RFR exposure. 11 out of the 14 epidemiological studies on cell towers in the WHO database show evidence of harm in those living closest to cell towers.

    I moved into a home that was 300 feet from antennas a few years ago. After a tree was cut down that blocked the antennas I found I could not sleep for more than four hours a night and I developed memory problems. I finally moved after living there for two years and my symptoms are gone. People all over the world report similar experiences.

    You are welcome to read my recent report for a more in depth look at this issue - CELL TOWERS AND WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS - LIVING WITH RADIOFREQUENCY RADIATION http://www.scribd.com/doc/24352550/Cell-Tower-Rpt
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:28 AM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>It is a known fact that after women go through menopause that their estrogen levels drop and their testosterone levels increase, which might possibly explain in part Lisa`s aggressive written behavior on this list. - Paul Doyon >>>>>>>>

    WOW! What a misogynistic pig! What logic, what absolutely brilliant analysis and critical thinking skills! How do you know I'm not "on the rag" right now, which would explain my "bitchiness"? Rummaging through my garbage cans looking for used tampons, are you?

    You, sir, (and I use that term lightly) have just sealed the fate of your fight. You would be wise to apply Schopenhauer's words to yourself:

    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
    Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860

    YOU and your BRACT comrades are the ones doing the ridiculing, YOU are the ones violently opposing the Truth, and the time has come for YOU to accept it as self-evident.
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:45 AM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    >>>>>>>One would think from your postings here Lisa, that you are also somehow connected with this industry? - Paul Doyon>>>>>>>>

    Only a mentally disturbed individual who doesn't know my 34 year history in Bayville would think that. Talk about conspiracy theories!

    But keep posting Paul. I find your bold display of idiocy very amusing and comic relief from the horrific news reports out of Haiti.

    Hey, look at this study - Cell phone usage improves memory!

    http://www.livescience.com/health/100106-cell-phone-radiation-memory-Alzheimers-disease.html
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 11:08 AM Dee wrote:
    Lisa, you go girl! Paul IS an absolute low class slob!!!
    With that comment, he has no shot of ANY woman taking anything he says seriously.
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:01 PM Marjorie Lundquist wrote:
    The concerns about cancer and other adverse health effects as a result of exposure to microwave radiation from cellular phone towers (and also radio-frequency radiation from other sources) are valid. I'm a Ph.D. physicist and began studying such issues years ago.

    There are 3 ways that EMF can interact with matter: it can transfer energy to matter, heating it (thermal effect); it can transfer linear momentum to matter (applying pressure to it, perhaps causing vibration); and it can transfer angular momentum to matter, applying a torque (twisting force) to it. These last two, collectively, are termed "nonthermal" effects, and are the candidates that would be involved in the formation of cancer. [The thermal effect does NOT cause cancer, because heat KILLS cancer cells.]

    These 3 interaction effects have been known (to physicists, at least) for 100 years: since BEFORE 1910.

    At present there are safety standards to protect human health ONLY against the thermal hazard [but it is valid only for plane-wave exposures, despite the fact that the ANSI standard has wrongly applied it to the near field of cellular phones, giving manufacturers a false sense of safety for these devices].

    We need, but at present do NOT have, safety standards to protect human health against the various nonthermal health effects, which certainly include cancer, but also may include a number of autoimmune diseases.

    Cancer is clearly associated with exposure to microwave radiation, but in order to demonstrate this scientifically, one must know exactly how to characterize the exposure, and at present, this is not known. I've been working on this problem.

    It looks to me like the transfer of angular momentum to living matter at microwave frequencies is particularly hazardous, and is probably involved in the development of cancer and autoimmune diseases.

    I was a Certified Industrial Hygienist for over 20 years, and it is clear to me that the electromagnetic field is a far more complex environmental agent than any hazardous chemical in the environment! [But the nice thing about EMF is that, when you eliminate the EMF hazard, there is no toxic waste residue to cause future problems! When it's gone, it's gone for good!]

    Any cluster of transmitters poses additional hazards that are not present in the vicinity of a single transmitter, so the Bayville Primary School is an exceptionally hazardous place, and I am not at all surprised that so many people who spend time there are becoming so seriously ill.

    If the people in charge of the Bayville Primary School want to get rid of most of the health problems occurring there, getting rid of those transmitters is likely to do it (though I can think of one other possible source of this type of health problem that may be present inside the school).

    You may write to me at P. O. Box 11831, Milwaukee, WI 53211-0831 USA. [I can't work for free.]
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:10 PM Unbelievable wrote:
    Dr. Lundquist -
    Just so you know, there are no accurate facts regarding illness at the school. The number presented in the reports is not founded and is certainly not from a credible source.
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:33 PM Marjorie Lundquist wrote:
    By the way, I made an attempt to educate the American Cancer Society about the cancer hazard posed by EMF some years ago. I made contact with a physician at the ACS and he was quite interested in what I had to say. But he had to discuss things with those administrators higher up in the ACS, and after he did so, he no longer was interested in what I had to say. It is clear to me that the ACS has already made up its mind that EMFs play no role in the development of cancer. So I pay no attention to the ACS on the issue of EMF and cancer.

    Of course, you should realize that if cancer were truly conquered, the ACS would lose its reason for existence! So it's not surprising that that it turns a blind eye and a deaf ear to the role of EMFs in the generation of cancer. Such behavior ensures that cancer will be around for a long, long time to come!
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:49 PM Marjorie Lundquist wrote:
    Thank you. It is often difficult to verify exactly how many people in a given building have had health problems, and to rule out other possible causes of these problems, so that the health problems can be plausibly related to the time they have spent in the building. Presumably the attorney who brought the lawsuit will be addressing this, though if I correctly understand the basis of his lawsuit, it is that the deed restrictions for the land occupied by the water tower have been violated. If the legal issue is limited to this specific question, he may be successful in getting those transmitters removed, without any consideration being given to the health concerns. Then we can see whether the health problems in the building diminish. [It would be good to have professionals do an evaluation of the healthfulness of the building, before and after, but this is unlikely to happen unless BRACT presses for it.]
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:36 PM Mark Beaumont wrote:
    Mrs. Lundquist, that you are qualified to speak on this subject seems evident, given your long history of involving yourself with research into everything from the likelihood of some types of cancer possibly being caused by EMFs (including those from household wiring, Tasers, cellphones and other sources). I am sure that your input to the debate is welcomed here.

    Perhaps, indeed, you are here in the hope of being retained by BRACT to explore their particular issues, and that is your business. I take exception, though, to your words concerning the American Cancer Society:

    "Of course, you should realize that if cancer were truly conquered, the ACS would lose its reason for existence! So it's not surprising that that it turns a blind eye and a deaf ear to the role of EMFs in the generation of cancer. Such behavior ensures that cancer will be around for a long, long time to come!"

    I do not share your view that the ACS turns a deaf ear at all, or has any concerns about losing its "reason for existence" as you suggest. Even a quick Google within their site using the search words "cell phone" brings up 352 references including papers on the subject by third parties.

    As a multiple cancer survivor myself with ongoing concerns, I take some interest in the Society's good work and do not care to see them so lightly dismissed.

    Mark
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  • Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:09 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Dr. Lundquist,

    It would appear that you have already been slapped down by the DOJ for your attempted interference into proceedings regarding the use of Tasers by Police in the state of Wisconsin:

    http://www.doj.state.wi.us/AWP/2007OMCG-PRO/2005_10_25%20lundquist.pdf

    It would further appear to this cynic, that your postings on this blog are meant to disparage the American Cancer Society and solicit business. I'll be happy to further research your political affiliations, but the above evidence is enough for me to determine that you are a professional antagonist, regardless of your background in physics.

    Be gone with you.
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  • Monday, January 18, 2010 8:56 AM Fed up with the BS wrote:
    It appears that Lisa is directly affected by the EMF from the tower as she has lost her ability to be objective and realize that others may know more about a particular subject than she. Dr Lundquist appears to be a subject matter expert and very knowledgeable but Lisa has to twist everything.
    Dr Lundquist- Thank you for the information.
    Be gone with you Lisa.
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  • Monday, January 18, 2010 10:12 AM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Fed up with BS (which must stand for Blind Sympathy)

    I am a Bayville resident and taxpayer. I have posted the FACTS. Your desire to embrace an interloper from Wisconsin soliciting business and denigrating the American Cancer Society shows just how desperate and indefensible your position is.
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  • Monday, January 18, 2010 10:16 AM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    need more coffee ....

    since obviously Fed Up was referring to what they think is MY BS, BS must stand for Brilliant Soliloquy.
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  • Monday, January 18, 2010 3:17 PM Bridge Mechanic wrote:
    I have it on good authority that the Cell antennas will be coming down and instead that the Bayville Bridge itself will be rigged to transmit wireless communications consistent with the final triumph of Nikola Tesla's patent 1,19,732 (12/1/1914)(diagram here - ww~.tfcbooks.com/patents/1119732.htm) This will require me to keep the bridge open up to 1/2 hours 8 times a day to "raise the antenna" - so to speak, but we are told there is no more than a "very slight" chance that boaters will be electrified when passing.
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  • Monday, January 18, 2010 3:35 PM Mark Beaumont wrote:
    ROFL, Bridge Mechanic. That's brilliant!

    Mark
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  • Monday, January 18, 2010 9:42 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Oh good grief, only a Liberal would think the idea of inconveniencing residents 4 hours a day to appease the paranoia of a few BRACKpots is "brilliant"!
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  • Monday, January 18, 2010 9:46 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    oops, typo...

    BRACTpots!
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  • Monday, January 18, 2010 11:25 PM Mark Beaumont wrote:
    You're clearly not familiar with the Tesla patent, Lisa. This excerpt could almost apply to some of your views:

    "Should the pressure rise to a value, beyond which it is not desired to go, the powerful discharge may dart out there and lose itself harmlessly in air"

    Bridge Mechanic's scheme has some merit, you must concede; in fact, we could probably be done with the water tower altogether and install a desalination plant down at the bridge instead, so that Bridge Mechanic could make a buck or two selling "Eau De Bayville" to thirsty tourists.

    In fact, with today's powerful brain-frying cell phones, perhaps we don't need extra antennae at all providing he is prepared to raise the bridge on request:

    http://www.baybytes.com/FS/lisa_calls_rush.jpg



    Mark
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  • Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:42 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    What a nutjob!
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  • Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:43 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Another nutjob!
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  • Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:46 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Brenes: danger in the school playground

    The school that is cursed

    A mobile phone mast installed on school property might be the cause of more than 100 cancer cases among the students and staff.


    Fernando Perez Avila 18/01/2010

    Fear! Fear of cancer, fear of death, and the daily fear of finding another case among the pupils. Every morning, the fear of disease that might affect the person next to you because of the phone mast that has still not been removed …


    Two children ill, one dead and more than 100 people suffering from various kinds of cancer, all in a short space of time - a tally that shows something is dreadfully wrong.


    So much so that even the doctors in the main hospital in Seville are surprised, and ask each new patient if they live anywhere near the phone mast in Brenes.

    All the people affected blame the mobile phone antennas on the mast that was installed in the playground of the Manuel de Falla school in the town of Vega del Guadalquivir.

    Two pupils in the school now have cancer, one in the eye and another in the thyroid, and another child died suddenly, with no explanation from anyone being given to the family.

    A young woman who came to the school for work training has just been diagnosed with lymphatic cancer.

    In total there are more than one hundred cases of cancer among the pupils, the teachers, the domestic staff and the residents living nearby.

    "What's going on here is not normal. We don't understand why we have a phone mast right in the school playground. We just want to get rid of it, and certainly not have it put up again somewhere else. We're not against mobile phones or anything else, but we don’t want them killing our children,"
    declares Carida Magro, mother of one of the children who now has cancer. She has written to the Ombudsman, to the social services, to the town council, to Parliament, to newspaper editors and anyone else who will listen. But all that she has managed to achieve so far is to publicise the problem and make people aware of it.

    Worse still, everyone points out that there isn't just one phone mast but three of them [for different networks]. In fact within about 200 metres of the school there are two more masts. "It's a cursed triangle," declares Juan Gómez, who lives nearby and in whose family there are several cancer cases.

    In this part of the town it's hard to find even one family where everyone is healthy. "My father died four months ago", "in my house three people out of five are sick", "in these flats three people are sick", these are the inevitable answers you get when you ask people in the neighbourhood about this affair.


    Apart from the cancer cases, there is a related proliferation of thyroid conditions. "At Macarena hospital they ask us every time if we come from Brenes. It's not right, we're all on the way to dying here and nobody is doing anything to put a stop to it," explains another young woman in whose family...

    http://www.next-up.org/Newsoftheworld/SchoolsEcoles.php#1
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  • Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:34 AM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Mark,

    >>>>>>>"Bridge Mechanic's scheme has some merit, you must concede;">>>>>>>>>>>

    I concede nothing. And now, you not only want to inconvenience travel in and out of Bayville for four (4) hours a day, you want to build a desalinization plant? Have you given any thought to what that might do to the shellfish industry? Who do you suppose should fund your little project, hmmmm?

    The misogynist pig Doyon now brings us fearmongering from France. How desperate can these BRACTpots get?
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  • Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:53 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    This kind of reasoning reminds me of a Japanese student I had years ago who told me my eyes were blue (though they are brown) because "Americans all have blue eyes" -- a gross overgeneration, and hence misconception.

    Lisio, just because I don`t like YOU doesn`t make me a misogynistic pig. Read "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" or "Why Men Don`t Listen and Why Women Can`t Read Maps" to get an inkling of what I am talking about. Or even, for more intellectual stimulation, Trivers` "Social Evolution."

    The fact of the matter is that I love and respect women (as I do most people); and actually think women, for the most part -- excluding Lisio here of course -- are indeed more intelligent than men in many ways. And we could definitely use some of that intelligence to get us out of some of the messes that men have gotten us into. I like people (women and men) who are intelligent, kind, respectful, giving, and caring. And I don`t like people who are ignorant, mean, rude, selfish, and insensitive. Hmm! Does that describe anyone on this list?

    In fact, I don`t even consider Lisio here a woman -- but rather a man in a woman`s body, or even rather a mentally-and emotionally-challenged (not to mention psychologically-disturbed) man in a woman`s body. LMAO

    If I were you, I would have myself locked up in a psychiatric hospital and have them throw away the key. At least that way, I wouldn`t embarrass myself by writing nonsense on this blog.

    TRUTH? FACTS? Lisio, you wouldn`t know what a fact or the truth was if it hit you broadside against the head.

    So... enough of this! I don`t have time to argue with silly people and will no longer respond to any of Lisio`s prompts but rather will continue to post useful information for the people of Bayville. peace paul
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  • Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:04 AM Mark Beaumont wrote:
    I think you dropped your sense of humor somewhere, Lisa

    Mark
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  • Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:44 AM crunchy mommy wrote:
    It obviously was a joke!
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  • Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:21 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Mark,

    I have no tolerance or sense of humor when it comes to radical extremists slandering me personally when it comes to pushing their agenda. Unable to argue their case based on scientific merit or law, they resort to an emotional personal attack and are clearly good students of Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals:

    http://vcn.bc.ca/citizens-handbook/rules.html

    5. Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.

    13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

    It is truly a shame that you entered this discussion agreeing that the WPIX article was outrageous, but now defend the reprehensible behavior of your comrades on this blog, Mark. Argue the issue.
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  • Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:24 PM East ender wrote:
    oops well tanning beds used to be safe right? Good source of Vita-veta-vegamine D right? Guess the FDA is looking at that one again...hmmm and based on WHO info. hmmmmm. How long 'til they figure out the damage cell antennas are causing? The sooner the better. Get rid of the antenna.
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  • Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:44 PM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    East ender,

    First of all, confining yourself in a closed tanning bed to be zapped intensely with ultra-violet rays I don't think ANYONE ever considered safe, especially if used regularly. I don't think you can compare the RF's from a cell tower to tanning beds. I mean, I guess you can try. But it's like trying to compare being exposed to the sun as you walk to the store vs. 8 hours at the beach without sunscreen.

    And based on WHO info? Those same folks who brought you the H1N1 pandemic scare? An arm of the UN? Think about it. When was the last time you heard a news update on H1N1 vaccinations or deaths on the news?
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  • Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:14 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    http://www.mnn.com/technology/research-innovations/stories/more-evidence-shows-electrical-energy-is-harming-our-health
    More evidence shows electrical energy is harming our health
    'Electrosmog' from Wi-Fi and cell phones is extremely dangerous.
    By Katherine ButlerWed, Jan 20 2010 at 1:30 AM EST
    Read more: GADGETS & ELECTRONICS, RESEARCH & INNOVATION

    Gloom and doom has hit the world of technology with a recent acknowledgement of the potential hazards from electromagnetic fields that surround us, according to an article on msnbc.com. Electromagnetic fields, called EMFs, are the radiation that surrounds all electrical appliances and devices, power lines and home wiring. The radiation is emitted by communications devices, including cell phones, radio, TV, and Wi-Fi transmitters. Some scientists believe this “electrosmog” that envelopes us may be responsible for many of the major diseases that now plague humanity.

    Msnbc.com reports that the leading expert on the dangers of EMFs is Dr. Sam Milham, a widely traveled epidemiologist who has investigated hundreds of environmental and occupational illnesses and published dozens of peer-reviewed papers on his findings. Dr. Milham has focused much of his research on a new kind of EMFs that emit a carcinogen known as “dirty electricity” or transients.

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    Apparently, transients are the byproduct of energy-efficient gadgets galore. When computers, refrigerators, plasma TVs, compact fluorescent light bulbs and dimmer switches (to name a few) tap down their electrical output, it creates a wildly fluctuating and potentially dangerous electromagnetic field that radiates into the immediate environment, as well as backing up home or office wiring all the way to the utility. Alarmingly, this affects every customer in between.

    Some say the discovery of transient dangers could be one of the greatest practical discoveries of the modern era. Others — namely, electric utilities, cell phone manufacturers, and Wi-Fi providers — say the evidence is unproven and unsound.

    Nonetheless, the evidence against EMFs proves to be overwhelming. The Bioinitiative Working Group, an international collaboration of scientists and public health policy experts from all over the world, in 2007 released a 650-page report citing more than 2,000 studies on the toxicity of EMFs. Scientists way dirty electricity can cause a variety of cancers, impair immunity, and contribute to Alzheimer's disease and dementia, heart disease, and more. Lesser symptoms include fatigue, facial irritation, tinnitus, dizziness and digestive...
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  • Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:44 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC-FrpA9-zs
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  • Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:12 AM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    >>>>>>"Msnbc.com reports..." >>>>>>>>>

    Might as well just get your "news" straight from: http://www.pdamerica.org/
    or http://www.sp-usa.org/
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  • Friday, January 22, 2010 9:21 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    http://www.beachcalifornia.com/blog/?p=4146

    19 Jan, 2010

    Mother Who Loses Son to Brain Cancer Warns of Cell Phone Use

    My Son, Rich Farver, died Oct. 11, 2008 from glioblastoma multiforme brain cancer. He was 28 years old when diagnosed and lived seven months.

    He was a graduate student at SDSU (San Diego State University). There is a brain cancer cluster on campus. Five brain cancers, 4 within the last three years. Some Professor’s and I paid an expert to test a cell tower outside of this area, and it ended up being in normal ranges. There are over 300 antenna’s within a 4 mile radius of the campus.

    Mr. Sam Milham, from the,” International EMF Collaborative,” concluded my Son’s brain tumor was cellphone related. Rich’s tumor was in his right frontal lobe, and he was right handed. He also owned a T-Mobile cell phone since 2000. Please, everyone be careful!

    My husband and I were walking out of a store locally here in Colorado, and ran into one of our old neighbor’s, who asked how our Son’s were doing. We explained that Rich, was deceased. They told us of one of Rich’s friends from high school, was just diagnosed with brain cancer.

    I NO longer have a cellphone, and it isn’t hard to do at all. The only purpose of one is EMERGENCIES only. Our Government isn’t keeping us safe. There are predictions that 2 billion people by the year 2020 will have brain tumors.

    As a Mom, who watch a Son lose the ability to walk, see, and have blackouts for seven months, besides the fact losing a child is the worst ever. Do NOT let this happen to you! Rich, was the LOVE of my life, my Best Friend, and all I ever wanted. My hopes, dreams, and future are all but over. I have endless counseling sessions, medications for depression, and many days find it hard to get out of bed. No amount of money, success, material items could even come close. Please, be careful.

    Also, WIFI has been eliminated from schools in many other countries. 1 hour of WIFI is equivalent to 20 minutes of cellphone exposure. Look at articles by, “The International EMF Collaborative,” and the,” BioInitiative Working Group!”

    Sincerely,
    Virginia Farver
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  • Friday, January 22, 2010 9:23 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    http://emf.mercola.com/sites/emf/archive/2010/01/21/US-Senate-Committee-Confirms-Dangers-of-Cell-Phones.aspx

    Witnesses before a Senate Committee testified about research into cell phone use and its potential impact on human health, as well as the potential side effects such as brain and salivary gland tumors.

    In 2008, cell phones were identified as a contributor to salivary gland tumors. Dr. Siegal Sadetzki, who testified in September 2009 at the U.S. Senate Hearing, is the principle investigator of the study that made this finding.

    The report states that your risk of getting a parotid tumor on the same side of your head that you use for listening to the mobile phone increases by:

    34 percent if you are a regular cell phone user and have used a mobile phone for 5 years.
    58 percent if you had more than about 5,500 calls in your lifetime.
    49 percent if you have spoken on the phone for more than 266.3 hours during your lifetime.
    The second video above by Electromagnetichealth.org, filmed at Columbia University Law School at a presentation on Wireless Hazards, explains how wireless radiation creates cognitive problems, damages DNA, diminishes fertility, causes disorientation and navigation difficulties for birds, bees and other wildlife, and may contribute to Bee Colony Collapse, which, if not reversed, will jeopardize the future of life on earth....
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  • Friday, January 22, 2010 9:29 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    News for North Herts

    Autistic daughter at risk from Letchworth phone mast, court told

    10:58 - 21 January 2010

    AN engineer who claims plans for a mobile phone mast right outside his home threaten the health of his autistic daughter must wait to hear the outcome of his High Court test case challenge to the proposal.

    Alan Cox, of Hitchin Road, Letchworth GC has asked Judge Robin Purchas QC to quash planning permission granted by a Government planning inspector to T-Mobile (UK) Ltd for a 10-metre high column with three mobile telecommunications antennae on the grass verge immediately adjacent to his home.

    Mr Cox, a chartered engineer and member of the Institution of Engineering and Technology, whose professional experience includes microwave transmission, says that the proposal puts his 26-year old daughter at risk.

    She has suffered lifelong severe neurological problems resulting from a brain injury at birth, and is autistic and hypersensitive. She spends most of the time in the house, where her mother is her full time carer.

    Mr Cox says he is concerned what further effect low level microwave radiation will have on her.

    He says that the planning application was formally opposed by four people on health and visual impact grounds, and that a petition against it received 31 signatures.

    North Herts District Council rejected the application, finding that the proposal would be inappropriate development and out of keeping with the nearby lampposts, one of which it would replace. It found that ancillary equipment cabinets would be unacceptable street clutter.

    However, in February 2007, a Government planning inspector allowed T-Mobile's appeal and granted planning permission. The inspector found that the proposed mast fell well within international guidelines on microwave emissions, and that health concerns were not sufficient to justify refusing permission.

    But Mr Cox claims that the exposure at bedroom level at his home may be close to or even above the international guideline limit.

    He says that T-Mobile provided insufficient technical justification that this site was the optimum location to achieve the improved mobile phone coverage that was required for the area, adding that it could have shared an existing mast, or built a new one at the Wyevale Nurseries site.

    This week the judge reserved his decision in order to give it in writing at a later date.

    The debate on mobile phone radiation has been raging for years.

    The World Health Organisation, based on the consensus view of the scientific and medical communities, says that cancer is unlikely to be caused by mobile phones or their base stations and that reviews have found no convincing evidence for other health effects. It expects to make recommendations about mobile phones this year.

    Mast Sanity is an organisation opposing the insensitive siting of mobile phone masts in the UK. A paper prepared for it by a retired lecturer in biology says "it is perfectly..
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  • Friday, January 22, 2010 10:11 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    This is a message that should be heeded by the majority of the population, but -- for some mysterious reason -- isn`t. And why not? Perhaps an answer can be gleaned from the psychological model of Transactional Analysis (TA). Hence, what we have here are a majority of people with a strong Parent and/or Child, but with a weak rational Adult, in their psychological make-ups. Hence, the strong Parent is going to believe -- and hence repeat -- the spin and lies from Big Brother (Big Corporation or Big Government) and the strong Child is going to just want to keep playing with its toys -- regardless of the consequences. It makes perfect sense to me! I see and hear the Parent and Child in people all the time -- but it is always a pleasure to relate to the Adult in the few people who seem to possess it.

    peace

    paul
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  • Friday, January 22, 2010 4:14 PM Bridge Mechanic wrote:
    Paul; You are so right about that! Often we are asked to flash the bridge lights in a particular pattern as a signal to U.N. helicopters, but I am skeptical about this because I do not see them - but I am told that this is because they are BLACK! Still, it is the CHILD in the Bayville residents which causes them to smack their Jet Skis in to my bridge about 600 times a Summer! To be fair, there is some disagreement about that from some of the other mechanics who say it is actually because they serve beer at the Clam Bar. I would never agree with that, because I like a cold beer once in a while when my shift is over, and sometimes they will even bring one out to me ... which is kind of child like I guess ... but in a good way.
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  • Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:03 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Long Island Village Receives $200,000 a Year for Placing Antennas Near Schools
    10.01.2010 by Camilla Category Electromagnetic Health Blog

    Bayville, LI residents are mad. Their children have to go to school across the street from a water tower covered with cell phone antennas. Parents are distraught. It is believed that as much as 30% of the teachers, staff and employees have some type of illness, cancer, leukemia etc. Homeowners are filing a federal civil rights law suit on Monday in the U.S. District Court in Central Islip asking the court to force removal of 50 antennas attached to the water tower across the street from the elementary school.



    Fortunately for this village, they may succeed. The property on which the water tower sits was donated to the town with a deed that limits use of the property: the property can not be used for any commercial enterprise or in any manner which would be “obnoxious, dangerous or offensive” to homeowners situated within one mile of the property. Homeowners are requesting a judge declare that Sec 704 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which limits state and local governments rights to restrict antennas on health or environmental grounds, does not preempt enforcement of their private property rights. While most other cases of residents opposing antennas are hard to win because of Sec. 704, Bayville may have a chance because of the terms of the deed accompanying the donated land.



    The village of Bayville, a part of the greater Locust Valley area that sits on beautiful Long Island Sound,receives $200,000 per year in revenues for allowing the antennas to be placed next to the school where students and teachers are getting sick. Tremendous conflicts of interest exist when schools are offered money for this purposes. But in many cases, the schools just don’t know there is a danger.





    All eyes on Bayville. Read full story below.



    BAYVILLE, N.Y. (WPIX) - A lawsuit is set to be filed Monday alleging that the cancer afflicting students and teachers of a Bayville school is caused by the dozens of cell phoneantennas attached to a nearby water tower.



    Three young students of Bayville Primary School have already died of leukemia and many more are sick.



    “We believe as much as 30 percent of the teachers, administrative staff and employees have been diagnosed with some type of illness, cancer, leukemia and things of that nature,” said Attorney Andrew Campanelli.



    A brief email to WPIX from the school district denies Campanelli’s statement.



    However, the cell phone antennas are a painful reminder for Beverly Pacifico, whose son Mitchell, a student at Bayville, recently won a painful two-year battle with leukemia.



    “My son went through 102 weeks of chemotherapy,” Pacifico said. His leukemia has been in remission for the past two years.



    Bayville is a public school, and those parents in the district without the financial means to enroll their chi
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  • Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:06 AM Paul Doyon wrote:
    Bridge Mechanic, If I ever make it to Bayville, I will have to join you for one of those beers! Cheers mate! paul
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  • Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:16 PM Jeff Silver wrote:
    BRACT launches new website. Visit at http://www.bayvilleresidentsact.com
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  • Friday, January 29, 2010 3:14 AM PAUL DOYON wrote:
    GQ

    Warning: Your Cell Phone May Be Hazardous to Your Health

    Ever worry that that gadget you spend hours holding next to your head might be damaging your brain? Well, the evidence is starting to pour in, and it's not pretty. So why isn't anyone in America doing anything about it?

    By Christopher Ketcham

    Photograph by Tom Schierlitz

    February 2010

    Earlier this winter, I met an investment banker who was diagnosed with a brain tumor five years ago. He's a managing director at a top Wall Street firm, and I was put in touch with him through a colleague who knew I was writing a story about the potential dangers of cell-phone radiation. He agreed to talk with me only if his name wasn't used, so I'll call him Jim. He explained that the tumor was located just behind his right ear and was not immediately fatal—the five-year survival rate is about 70 percent. He was 35 years old at the time of his diagnosis and immediately suspected it was the result of his intense cell-phone usage. "Not for nothing," he said, "but in investment banking we've been using cell phones since 1992, back when they were the Gordon-Gekko-on-the-beach kind of phone." When Jim asked his neurosurgeon, who was on the staff of a major medical center in Manhattan, about the possibility of a cell-phone-induced tumor, the doctor responded that in fact he was seeing more and more of such cases—young, relatively healthy businessmen who had long used their phones obsessively. He said he believed the industry had discredited studies showing there is a risk from cell phones. "I got a sense that he was pissed off," Jim told me. A handful of Jim's colleagues had already died from brain cancer; the more reports he encountered of young finance guys developing tumors, the more certain he felt that it wasn't a coincidence. "I knew four or five people just at my firm who got tumors," Jim says. "Each time, people ask the question. I hear it in the hallways."

    It's hard to talk about the dangers of cell-phone radiation without sounding like a conspiracy theorist. This is especially true in the United States, where non-industry-funded studies are rare, where legislation protecting the wireless industry from legal challenges has long been in place, and where our lives have been so thoroughly integrated with wireless technology that to suggest it might be a problem—maybe, eventually, a very big public-health problem—is like saying our shoes might be killing us.

    Except our shoes don't send microwaves directly into our brains. And cell phones do—a fact that has increasingly alarmed the rest of the world. Consider, for instance, the following headlines that have appeared in highly reputable international newspapers and journals over the past few years....
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  • Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:52 AM Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
    Golly gosh! Where have all the BRACT supporters gone? Has this blog been taken over by spammers? You mean BRACT doesn't want to share with its fellow Bayville residents its latest legal smackdown?

    http://www.courts.state.ny.us/reporter/3dseries/2010/2010_00968.htm

    You're welcome, my pleasure.
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  • Friday, March 12, 2010 11:40 PM brothkrug wrote:
    as a taxpaying resident of Bayville, NY, I do not want the Mayor's "dirty cell phone money". I just demand what is fair and legal - the land should either be given back to the Harrison Estate, or the cell towers removed. Victoria, you cannot have it both ways.
    Shame on you.
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