Bayville Election June 17th, 2008
To anyone interested in running for trustee of Bayville, there will be a Village Election June 17th, 2008.
Three Trustee positions are up for election. There are 6 Trustees in Bayville and they run on split years. Three Trustees (3) this year and then the opposite three (3) in 2010 when the next Mayoral Race occurs.
Anyone can run for Trustee. Maria Alfano-Hardy is the Village Clerk and she is the designated election official during Village Elections. Information on running can be obtained from her office or the Nassau County Board of Elections.
Any interested party/parties must have a petition signed supporting their Nomination for Candidacy and submitted to the Election Official (Marie Alfano-Hardy) 60 days prior to the election. All information and petitions are available in printable versions online through NYS Board of Elections or through the Nassau County Board of Elections.
Margaret Marchand
Just what is required of a trustee in time commitment and what is the actual job description.
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They attend one meeting a month and they can not have an opinion that disagrees with queen Victoria or they will be banished. They must help cover up all Vicky's screw ups too.
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Tom,
When will you be appearing on "Wife Swap"?
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Hi Jill,
I have lived in Bayville a lifetime and sad to say I do not take an active part in the Village, however, I am knowledgeable about local politics in general.
Trustees in Incorporated Villages across L.I., attend monthly meetings call Village Board Meetings. They are presented with the current issues, concerns and information about their local jurisdiction.
Trustees have the ability to vote on any said issue before them and hold the same voting power as the Mayor.
Often times, Trustees head a sub-committee and attend those meetings as well. The frequency of those meetings depend on the specific committee you are on or the need of which to meet.
Trustees act as a Liaison to the Mayor and the board and report back pertinent information and/or decisions recommendations made but he sub-committee.
It does not appear to be a strenuous position, but one that if you are interested, could benefit the community you live in.
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Thanks for the input I guess the next stop would be Maria
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This comment was originally posted by BFP under Village aesthetics. I am moving it in an effort to keep discussions better organized and under appropriate topic entries.
Barry
That Second Party has arrived to address your current and future needs.
Please support them on June 17th, 2008, 6am - 9pm so that they can support you in the coming years. Visit their website at www.bayvillefamilyparty.com
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And this one:
Anonymous wrote:
So is the Bayville Family Party going to raise money for and help out a family whose yard and home are in disrepair? Or are they just going to target individuals who don't meet their particular standards?
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The Bayville Family Party will not target anyone. They are here for among other things to help the community growth and prosper.
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Good to here. You came in rite after the person complaining about a certain house. How will Bayville Family Party help those people?
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Like there are two sides to every story, I am sure this specific issue has two sides. First we must gather the facts, once gathered they need to be presented to the community and the homeowner given an opportunity to be heard. The Village Government as the elected representatives of the residents must work with the homeowner to ensure the property is in conformance with all village codes/regulations and if necessary issue summons after reviewing the facts. Let me stress however that a full understanding of the situation must exist before any action is taken.
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i don't quite understand what you are saying. it sounds like you want village goventment officials to collect info on a homeowner and then decide if they want to charge them with a violation. doesn't someone usually file a complaint for an obvious violation and then the village follows ujp? i don't want village officials investigating me just because they don't like me and then putting me on trial before the community.
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This is hardly what was written.
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Wikipedia defines Memorial Day as follows:
Memorial Day is a United States Federal holiday observed on the last Monday of May. Formerly known as Decoration Day, it commemorates U.S. men and women who perished while in military service to their country.
So why is the day specifically designated to commemorate our veterans being used to promote and advertise the new Bayville Family Party? Flyers for the BFP were distributed along the parade route and visible to all of those marching in the parade. It's almost as bad as the last mayoral election where canidates walked the route before those being honored in order to hand out water bottles with labels promoting themselves.
Perhaps those seeking an office in our village should recognize that there is a time and place for everything. Unfortunately a day to honor our veterans is not the time to campaign.
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So what you are saying is this Day should ONLY be for Veterans & not for any of our children in this community to have a chance to march? This is why we live in Bayville, for the community. Whether it be politics or parades this should be a day for all. Politics will always be around. What harm was done? It was a great parade & a GREAT DAY for ALL.
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enough is enough -
Maybe BFP and Residents First have the same campaign manager.
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I always thought our children and community groups marched in a parade to show support for the people/groups the parade was honoring. Not for individuals using it as a personal recognition opportunity. That may happen in a big city, it shouldn't happen in a small town. There is a place and time for everything.
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"So what you are saying is this Day should ONLY be for Veterans & not for any of our children in this community to have a chance to march?"
Huh? Who siad that? People, children, community groups and all should be marching to HONOR OUR VETERANS, not to be out trying to win votes. UNITE for one cause, one honor NOT to CAUSE DIVISION! Next thing you know BFP will be trespassing on our properties planting American flags with the BFP campaign junk on them.
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I just wish Lisa M would sign her name to all her BS. When are you going to make good on that promise that your moving as soon as your daughter graduates. The leader did not want your opinion, the people of Bayville if you have not figured it out do not want your opinion, nor as a spokes person for them youvelost 3 times. Now if your going to write something and start problems sign your name to it. I find it pretty funny how quiet you were leading up to your election to the school board, but yet you become so critical of people trying to voice just another opinion in this community. Have you ever thought more than one opinion might be good. So take your head out of Vicky's ass and pack your bags Bayville will be a much happier place.
Your the one who said you were leaving weve all been counting the days. I am just dreaming for that day to come soon.
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To Anonymous:
I would love to address you by name, but you seem too afraid to sign it.
I am addressing your comment to set the record straight early on. I am not part of Bayville Family Party. Since we cote for three candidates this June, at this point may be voting for people on the Taxpayers Party Slate as well as the Bayville Party Slate.
I have met with Vicki Siegel recently and had a wonderful conversation with her. My purpose of the meeting was to let her know directly that I have no intentions of running or being a part of the political process here, other than to excercise my right to vote and encourage others to do the same.
Residents First is no longer. There is no registered organization or group.
The Bayville Family Party and the Tax Payers Party (Vicki's Party) are all putting people up on slates this June.
I have always firmly believed that anyone has the right to run for public office and I am happy to see new faces on both sides.
The Taxpayers party is putting forward two new faces, Pete Valssechi (sp?) and Kate Naughton (sp?). Both are fine people whom I know on a community level and I am sure would do great if elected. Doug Watson is running for another term as well.
So please, do not use my name, my former party name or the like in conjunction with another group of people I have nothing to do with. It is not fair to me or them.
Unless you are willing to come forward with your name or any proof speculation is not fair at this point.
Let the microcosm of Bayville Politics have a fair run and allow both sides to present their candidates, slate and ideas before you create non truths and start rumors, which I deduce, is exactly your point.
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Sorry sp error above, "cote" is suppose to read "vote", missed it!
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"I just wish Lisa M would sign her name to all her BS." ~dreaming
I do sign my name to all my BS. What's your friggin problem? You should really see a doctor about your paranoia.
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To dreaming:
But if you want my opinion so badly I might as well give it to you. While I find the fact that you dream about me rather disturbing, I'll be happy to set the record straight.
This is the first time I've looked at the Bayville Family Party website. They look like nice people. I'm sure they want what is best for their families. I wish them well in their bids to serve our Village. Unlike you, I find no need to try and trash someone's reputation and spread lies about them. I didn't go to the parade this year, but I could hear the band from my yard, it was nice. Since I wasn't there, I wasn't personally offended by campaign stuff being handed out.
Three seats, one incumbent. May the best men and women win. I do recall an election where Mr. Watson won by one (1) vote. Local elections matter. Don't forget to vote on June 17th.
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this ones to Lisa M,thank you for all your posts you've educated me on many pertinent issues for which I'm grateful.But I gotta ask why the venom and dripping anger in all your words ?? How does this benefit the community but more important how does this benefit you? please don't take this the wrong way. thanks
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I want to show my support for the two man that are running in the upcoming election. I personally know one of the men, and to clarify something that was said about him handing out fliers during the parade, and how it showed no respect to the veterans, well just to inform you whom ever you are, one of the man is the director of nursing at LIS veterans home, I believe he shows veterans everyday respect, how about, how don't you feel stupid, the two man just want the residents to be heard, they want to make a difference, we as United States citizens should respect man and woman that choose to take an active role in public politics. Be more respectful to one another, listen to their ideas, share your feels but do not be rude. One more comment, the Mayor had one of her candidates that is running for the election walking with her, is that okay with you. At least they were meeting with residents, talking with them and asking for their opinions....so next time you write something make sure your well informed..we support the Bayville Family Party,,,,RD
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KM,
You're welcome, but I'm afraid I don't know what you are referring to. What "venom and dripping anger"? Wishing people well? Saying "may the best men and women win"? How is that nasty?
If you are referring to my response to Dreaming, sorry, I'm not some anonymous a-hole's punching bag. Why don't you ask Dreaming how his/her attacks, slander, false accusations and moronic speculation helps the community? (Besides, my neighbors prefer that I engage in blogging rather than scream therapy.)
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You are such a wonderful role model with your disgusting curse words.
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(Regarding Lisa's Comments)You do seem like a very angry person.
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Well Jenn L.,
I do tend to get angry when anonymous nasty morons decide to slander me and spread lies about me all over the Internet. How would you feel having people telling you you had your head up the Mayor's arse and attacking your character? Wouldn't you feel angry? How would you like it if I accused you of writing the post by Dreaming? Would that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?
Be kind to me and I'll be kind in return. Be an ass to me, and I can dish it out quite handily. I don't need 100 phony friends who smile to my face then stab me in the back when it becomes the "popular" thing to do. I stand by what I say. Some people don't like some of the statements I have made and therefore, instead of being able to intelligently argue an issue, find the need to attack me personally. That's their problem. I've tried ignoring these nasty people, and that doesn't work. I've tried talking reasonably to them, and that doesn't work. So if nasty and angry is all they understand, then that's what they get. I'm not running for Mayor or a Trustee position and I see no reason why some anonymous buffoon found the need to start trashing me in this thread. Yes it makes me angry. I'm only human.
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friends of BFP;
Your post stated that we should be more respectful of those who take an active role in public politics. I think every taxpayer takes an active role. It's the taxpayers that pay for the decisions made by the "active" person. This is the United States and we should be respectful of "everyones" opinions. Imagine how this country would be if we all thought the same. We should all play nice and no sand throwing.
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Yes, Memorial Day is about the Veterans sacrifice first and foremost and its also about community. Hence The retired and active servicemen marching, children proudly marching, and the Rosary Guild to name a very few. all different segments of our community, right? Fortunate for us Bayvillian's we live within a small town and fortunate for us, as Americans, we have a political structure which allows for the freedom of ideas, these discussions as well as the Mayor to walk with her party's trustee running for reelection and Michael walking with his father introducing himself. Although someone should have stopped that woman walking with the Hillary tee-shirt. Michael cares and respects veterans. He works for a Veteran's Hospital and has for years. Take the time to read his bio before you judge, Anonymous. Lisa McLoughlin you should drive a little faster around town I observed you almost run down a man holding his infant child in the IGA parking lot on Memorial Day. Maybe you didn't see him because you were to busy being pissed off. Great job.
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"Lisa McLoughlin you should drive a little faster around town I observed you almost run down a man holding his infant child in the IGA parking lot on Memorial Day. Maybe you didn't see him because you were to busy being pissed off. Great job."
That's very nice DP. Maybe I should tell the blog how I saw you run over your neighbor's cat and toss it in your garbage.
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Lisa, well if that was true I would certainly admit it and stand by my actions. As far as slander goes you certainly like to dish it out. The FACT is you almost ran that person over and I'm SURE you didn't see him. He saw you and moved out of the way. I'm sure if you did see him you would have made a corrective action, slowed down and/or apologized. That's all. Being that your a parent, I'm sure you can relate. no mas
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I moved to New York City five years ago, from the mid west. I fell in love with Bayville two years ago, while looking for a place to buy a home(the rent in NYC is more than a mortgage). I like the small town feeling. But this town is nasty,reading the blog. There are many angry people on this blog. This Lisa person, sounds like my uncle from England. He is very sarcastic, but a big teddy bear. Many people immigrate to this country, legally or illegally, because of the freedom. Can't we be nice to one another? Where do I find out information about this town? I was told that there are summer concerts? Can somebody tell me where to get the information?
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Hey Small town my family has been here 3 generations if you don't like it!!! You know where the bridge is. This town has grown way to big as far as i'm concerned. The village hall should be able to answer all your questions. the concerts are usually held at Cerico Beach.
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Lisa, Please get a life & stop sitting by your computer reading these blogs. Do you think the president responds to any negativity said about him? Go outside and smell the roses.
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Hey "sunsets"
You too have a nice evening. Never said I didn't like the town. I said I fell in love with Bayville.
Thank you for showing your bright side and the info about town hall.
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Dear small town,
Welcome to Bayville! I have lived here for over 30 years. It is a wonderful Village and I hope you enjoy living here. This is the Village of Bayville site:
http://www.bayvillevillagehall.com/holiday_meeting.html#dates
The Town of Oyster Bay Site:
http://www.oysterbaytown.com/
Music Under the Stars(free)
http://www.oysterbaytown.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={11668C1C-ED2F-40D5-A2D8-6C8867D63946}&DE={925CA9C9-744F-4772-9064-BB0EE745CA1C}
Some upcoming local concerts - Planting Fields is a GREAT place to see a show -
http://www.zvents.com/search?cat=7&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&utm_term=
I hope you find these sites helpful. (And I bet I would have liked your English uncle)
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DP,
I can say it's a FACT that I saw you run over your neighbor's cat, too. See how easy that is?
I don't know who you saw in the IGA parking lot almost hit that poor man, but it sure wasn't me. I even bought my reusable IGA shopping sacks on Memorial Day and wasn't in any sort of rush whatsoever! In fact, I seem to go to IGA almost every day.....for 30 years. For the record, what kind of car did you think you saw me driving?
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This blog was designed for mature use, the bickering back and forth is child like. Lets stick to the point,,there is an election coming up for village trustee, how do people feel. Are they supporting the Taxpayers or are they supporting the new kids on the block the Family party. Has anyone even heard who mayor siegel has endorsed. And how can I find who they are. Does anyway know their tract record and how they have contributed to the community. That is what this blog is about, this is worth reading about. Please give me some feedback. I new to the town and plan on living here for a while. I have heard some good things about the mayor and also some bad things. I want the facts, not rumors or speculation. Thanks for reading....LTB
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Dear Lou the Butcher,
Mayor Siegel (25 years as mayor) is a member of the Taxpayers Party and therefore will support the 3 Taxpayer Party candidates for Trustee. Mr. Doug Watson is the only incumbent and has supported many fine improvements to our Village. He has a beautiful family, and gives tirelessly to Bayville. I do not know the other two Taxpayers Party candidates personally, however based on our Mayor's track record, integrity, and devotion to our Village, they have my support as well.
As I said before, I wish the BFP candidates all the best in their bid to serve our Village. But after 30+ years and two different homes here in Bayville, I will vote for the party which has shown over time that it has the best interests of Bayville at heart.
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White S60 Volvo for the record.
Lou, you are absolutely correct this is not the forum for such bickering. Bayville is a beautiful place I have lived hear a very long time and it is a great town with wonderful people such as Lisa. The funny thing is.... you think this is bickering, yes it is, If we have a crisis, such as a flood, we come together like family and thats the best part about it. We all love this place.
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Well its nice to hear that a community can pull through tough times together. Its not completely amazing to me because that is what small towns are about. As far as Lisa's comment about not giving the Family Party the time of day that is ridiculous. Have you ever tried new food, have ever tried some different. Just because the mayor has been "THe MAYOR" for 25 years does not mean we should just settle. I just check out the new kids website, very interesting, great platform ideas, can they deliver, I willing to take a chance, my neighbor has lived in bayville his whole life, and he is not willing to settle, he wants something new. The reality of it is that different opinions raise awareness, it makes us think, Byaville is not a cult, each individual residents voice should be represented. Lets move forward and be progressive, support change. I understand that is dirty word in this town, but think about the impact. LTB
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Lisa thanks for the links, I'll be using them. Can somebody tell me/us a little bio of the candidates from the BFP. I wish there was a "meet the candidate night" like the school had.
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the new kids on the block have a website, it lets you take a poll and you can email them, I already email them, the address is http://bayvillefamilyparty.com/
check out the site, they sound involved
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Hi Lou -
"As far as Lisa's comment about not giving the Family Party the time of day that is ridiculous."
Please copy and paste where I said that.
I wished the BFP well in their bid to serve our Village. Please do not write things that I did not say.
My position has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with "settling". My vote is based on the record of accomplishments of this administration which has proven itself to be concerned, trustworthy and willing to listen to the people. Once again, I am NOT saying that BFP aren't equally concerned, trustworthy or willing to listen to the people. Change just for the sake of change isn't necessarily good. I'm a firm believer in: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
You should probably base your vote on where you and the BFP stand on the cell phone antenna issue. It is the main controversy and source of divisiveness in the Village.
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Thanks Lou for the link. After reading the link and other topics on this blog. I have a question for BFP. I was at the meet the candidate night for the school board. I understand the cell tower is a "hot" topic because it's located near the elementary school. Where do the candidates from BFP stand on this issue? Their website does not mention anything about it. Is there any information put out by the BFP about this topic that I can get my hands on?
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To small town, I visited their website and emailed both of them. I had a question about emergency preparedness and what they envisions should be different. Both of them responded to me.
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Lou, are you saying that I have to email the candidates for information on where they stand with the cell tower? I would think the BFP would want the community to know where they stand, and this blog could help get the word out.
Lou, if you know where they stand on this issue could you please share it on the blog? If anyone knows where they stand on the issue, will you share it with the readers of the blog?
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Small town
Why don't you just email them, are you afraid to show your true identity. There is nothing that they or anyone could do at this point, leave it you BRACT. They are fighting the battle.
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To small town:
I applaud your interest in both the school and local elections and your sincere desire to evaluate the situation objectively. Keep asking the tough questions. Someone posted as BFP, so we must assume that the BFP is watching the responses on this blog.
#6 on the BFP's 10 Point Platform is - Open and transparent government.
Thank you to Jeff Silver and Barry Lamb for providing this public space for all to be able to be open and transparent about their positions when asked.
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Dear DP
You're 100% right. I along with other people in the community don't want our identities known. The way people are abused on this blog is outrageous. It is a small community and I don't need fabrications or my words twisted. I have no enemies that I know of, and would like to keep it that way.
If the question about the cell tower was good enough for the school board, it's even a better question for the Village candidates. Since there is no meet the candidates for the village election, I look at this forum as the place to get to know the candidates. Now I'm starting to wonder why I can't get an answer to the question "Where do the candidates from BFP stand on the cell tower"? How can I make a choice, if I can't get an answer to a very important question. I know where the Taxpayers Party stand on the issue.
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I guess nobody on this blog can answer my question? It's been over 10 hours and no response. I'm surprised. This doesn't leave me much choice . If a candidate/s can't answer an easy question about the cell tower,is that person/s trying to get elected for the right reasons? The cell tower is a big issue in Bayville. If the BFP can't answer the question, why should I vote for him/them????
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Small town,
Maybe your could email them this question at trustee@bayvillefamilyparty.com? When they respond can relay their message back to the forum. Maybe their not reading the blog. Let us know if you could. Thank you.
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Small town,
I'm as much in the dark as you are as to what BFP's position is regarding the cell tower. If you recall at the Meet the Candidates night, one of the incumbents who was re-elected urged the residents of Bayville to "vote in a new administration" if they were unhappy with the cell tower situation. Of course, this individual denied ever saying that, despite the fact that it was printed in the Oyster Bay Guardian, but to me, he was clearly pandering to the anti-cell tower political faction in the audience. By connecting the dots and without the benefit of a response from BFP, we must assume that as the "new" kids on the block, the BFP opposes the cell tower.
I would strongly discourage you from e-mailing the BFP for an answer. If the BFP wants to be "open and transparent", let the party or one of its representatives post its position here or on its own website for all to refer to.
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The Candidates from the Bayville Family Party will be at the Bayville Deli between 8-10 am Saturday May 31. Come down for a meet and greet, and we will answer any questions that you may have. Thanks
Bayville Family Party.com
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Lisa, just because the BFP hasn't answered small town's question, does not mean they oppose the cell tower. They could feel the tower is fine where it is. We just don't know, and some are left to speculate. I'm neutral on the tower,and the political makeup of Bayville. However, the silence from the BFP, does raise a concern. How "open and transparent" will they be, if elected?
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Oh there they are. Glad to hear about Saturday morning. Thanks BFP
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Thank you, BFP candidates for arranging the meet and greet. There are several delis in Bayville. Is the Bayville Deli the one near the fire house?
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The deli across the street from the Fire House, next door to the Bayville Beverage. Thanks and look forward to meeting everyone.
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Please check out the Web Site www.bayvillefamilyparty.com there have been additions.
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I believe the BFP's view, or at least Mr. Russo's view is to oppose the cell towers. He was insistant on not speaking for himself bur forcing his way to become a member of the Bayville PTA in April 2007 and having his voice heard through the PTA. He was not a member until April 2007 and does not send his children to our school. Why did he not speak on his own behalf? If Mr. Russo is elected, I hope he will speak up himself and not seek out a local organization to speak for him.
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How is Mr. Russo allowed to be a member of the Bayville PTA if he doesn't send his children to the school? That is a clear violation of the national PTA bylaws!
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Lisa, inform, I review the national PTA bylaws, and there is nothing stating in the membership section stating that you need to have a child in that school district. Please check your facts, before making a unnecessary comment, thanks for your time.
http://www.pta.org/documents/Bylaws06.pdf
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There is a lot of talk on this blog about the "new Kds" on the block... Bayville Family Party. They have offered a website and a place to meet and greet them which I will take advantage of.
Although, I was happy to get a mailing from the Taxpayers Party, I would like to know the position of the two NEW candidates running for Taxpayers Party. What are their positions on the cell tower issue? They too are new kids on the block, I want to know their ideas, opinions and views of this Village, not just that the Taxpayers Party endorsement of them.
I for one am not a blind follower, I vote for the individuals not the party line. So If this is the place to get more info, I would like to hear from the Taxpayers party on the blog as well as the Bayville Family Party. In my mind, both should be viewed as the same level and should be held to the same requirements as candidates.
I received the Taxpayers flyer, but there was no interview with the new candidates or quotes about their feelings on the cell tower or any other matter concerning this Village.
How do I get in touch with them? They did not offer a website, a phone number or an email address? Are they going to have the Taxpayers Party speak for them or are they going to speak for themselves?
How do I get in touch with the Taxpayers Party? Who are they?
Their summaries were nice but they were written in the third person? Are THEY going to allow a local organization to speak for them through this entire campaign or are they going to speak for themselves?
Every voter will be voting for 3 out of the 5 trustee candidates. Each candidate needs to get their info out there....
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Happy Birthday
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I could swear that there was a post on the blog yesterday that linked to a 1998 article in the Enterprise-Pilot where Mayor Siegal is quoted as saying that cell companies want to put antenna's on the water tower but that it is against the deed, so she keeps them at bay that way.
now i can't find it. I see a bunch of stuff got deleted, was this deleted too?
I'm not sure if it was in this thread but none of the other threads that relate to the cell tower issue have recent responses to them.
anyone know anything about this? admin?
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Barry- thanks for pointing out the link
The only things deleted were comments by people posing as others. Once brought to my attention and confirmed via IP address the bogus comments were deleted.
Posting as someone (a named participant, not anonymous) other than yourself will not be tolerated.
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Seeing Things,
Last comment at:
http://bayvilleblog.com/2007/06/26/bayville-residents-against-cell-towers-bract.aspx
Barry
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The Milk Man:
One of the Bayville PTA members stated here that Mr. Russo "forced" his way into the Bayville PTA to speak on the cell tower issue. One of the key elements of PTA is that it be NONPARTISAN. Perhaps you missed this section of the national PTA bylaws you linked:
g. The organization or members in their official capacities shall not, directly or indirectly,
participate or intervene (in any way, including the publishing or distributing of
statements) in any political campaign on behalf of, or in opposition to, any candidate for
public office, or devote more than an insubstantial part of its activities to attempting to
influence legislation by propaganda or otherwise.
If the Bayville PTA bylaws are inconsistent with the Locust Valley Parent Council and MS/HS regulations regarding membership, you've got a problem.
There is another reason that the Bayville PTA bylaws USED to limit membership to parents/grandparents of students in the school and teachers in the school - the student directory. No one outside of the immediate school community should be given access to this directory. It could be used for a myriad of non-productive purposes and the Bayville PTA is putting BP/BI families at unnecessary risk and exposure by allowing this to be distributed to people who do not have children in the school.
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Lisa, you are taking the word of an anonymous poster on a blog that mr. russo "forced" himself onto the PTA. that poster could be anyone, of any age, who is hiding behind the anonymity of the internet to stir things up for whatever reasons.
Look, I belong to the PTA. I paid my ten bucks, got my card..that's it. There are people who have a problem with that and would characterize my joining as having 'forced myself' on the PTA, but nothing is farther from the truth.
Neither of my kids goes to school in district, but there are some activities of a community nature that they would enjoy and so i joined. I DO NOT have a copy of the directory, was never offered one and honestly have no need for it. I already know how to contact all my friends from our preschool days together, so why would i need a directory? If i want a phone # for some reason, i call 411.
A great deal of attention has been paid to the directory issue and it's quite silly. I have several friends who have grown up in Bayville that are WALKING directories of this town....we live in a small town, if you want your address private, it's probably too late for that. If you want your phone # private, PAY for an unlisted #. If you want your email private....well then don't reply or forward any of those annoying chain emails. I can tell you right now that i have in my deleted email box many an email that contains in the to/from area the emails of people I don't know in town. could they get up in arms that i obtained their email in some unsavory way? sure they could....but i didn't.
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Edie:
"Neither of my kids goes to school in district, but there are some activities of a community nature that they would enjoy and so i joined."
What "activities of a community nature" would exempt your children if you were not a Bayville PTA member?
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Lisa,
That is none of your business.
Margaet
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Margaret,
I believe Edie is capable of speaking for herself. She cited her children's enjoyment of "activities of a community nature" as THE reason for her becoming a Bayville PTA member. She posted it here. I would like to know specifically what those activities might be. If they are community activities, it most certainly is my business, and I need to know if I should get a PTA membership too so my nieces and nephews can participate.
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lisa,
I did cite it as a reason, no need for you to place emphasis on my words as you see fit.
by community i didn't mean things like the bayville 5k or the green market or little league, i meant activities like the fall pumpkin fair that the PTA hosts. we attended that, it was fun. other than that the only thing i "did" with my PTA membership is go to a dinner at shipwreck....which i would have attended whether i was a member or not.
ok, back to the topic at hand in this thread...the election. if you want to continue this, ask Barry to start a thread on those of us terrible private school parents who do you all the favor of sending our money to the public schools and our kids elsewhere. I think a pumpkin or two is a fair exchange for our school taxes.
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Edie:
No need to get snippy, I politely asked you a question which you did not answer. I asked you which PTA activities your children would have been EXEMPT from if you were not a PTA member. (emphasis mine) Does the Bayville PTA turn away families from the fall pumpkin fair who are not members?
If the reason you cited for joining is true and not for reasons such as "attempting to
influence legislation by propaganda or otherwise", you should have no problem sharing with the blog what those specific activities are.
I believe this is relevant to the upcoming election as it represents past practice and political posturing on the part of at least one of the BFP candidates, and possibly BFP supporters. Since you have openly and publicly opposed the Taxpayers Party, despite the fact that the BFP is a newly formed group, and I could be wrong, it would appear that you fall into the category of one of the BFP's supporters.
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Lisa,
First of all, I have not stated who I am planning on supporting in the upcoming election. DO NOT put your spin on my political opinions. You have absolutely no right to assume anything about me or my beliefs.
With regards to my joining the PTA: Honestly, I have no idea if the PTA here or anywhere would turn someone away from an event. I assumed that since the events were paid for by the PTA, you'd have to be a member to attend. My older child attends private school now but may not always, so I want her to keep the friendships in town that she'd made at preschool so that an eventual transition back would be smoother. Toward that end, I lead a daisy troop, arrange playdates as well as other things. None of this is really any of your business but if it satisfies your curiousity, there you have it.
I had and currently have NO political designs on the PTA or any other political organization or group or currently seated government. Literally all i have done as a PTA member is attend a pumpkin painting afternoon and PAID SEPARATELY to attend a dinner at Shipwreck Tavern.
You are SO stretching to assign a nefarious political spin to my joining hte PTA, or to make some kind of connection between myself and ANYONE running for any political position.
I will not be answering any more questions about my children or their education or our family participation in community activities in this town sponsored by anyone. or anything else from you, really.
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Laurie D:
You will be receiving more information soon in the mail from the Taxpayers Party with answers to your questions. I believe all of the Trustee candidates' names and home addresses are listed on the brochure you already received and they are listed in the phone book.
Edie:
Your righteous indignation speaks volumes. I was not the one to introduce the Bayville PTA topic to this blog, but it certainly is a dicey issue as the other PCs in LVCSD require parents to have children in the schools in order to be members. SEPTA is the only other PTA in LVCSD and is a bit different in construct as it is a district-wide PTA. Nonetheless, members consist of parents of special needs students served by the district, teachers and administrators. While financial contributions without strings are always appreciated, the right to become a member, serve on various committees and have a vote on SEPTA decisions, is reserved for parents of students and staff of LVCSD.
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whatever lisa. you get your back up when people accuse you of things you are not doing.
i wish the board of ed vote wasn't till august, it was nice to have you so quiet on the blog while you were running.
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you go Edie!
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since the board of election vote is over & the village election is upon us... Let's stay focused on the current issues and steer clear of past topics. Go BFP! You have our vote! We want diversity while maintaining integrity.
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Met with the Bayville Family Party this morning at the Bayville Deli, I personally enjoyed talking with them and hearing their views. They have some great ideas and promote a two party system inwhich our contry built on. Many people speak of change, well by electing them its not about change, its more like diversity, its about questioning the topic at hand and not just rubber stamping the issues. If you believe like I do in a system that sees issues from both sides then get out there on June 17 and vote for the Bayville Family party, Its been way to long since the residents were truly represented....I ask one final question, how do you know if the current mayor and trusrees are truly representing your views, I beg you to tell everyone.....
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"If you believe like I do in a system that sees issues from both sides then get out there on June 17 and vote for the Bayville Family party, Its been way to long since the residents were truly represented....I ask one final question, how do you know if the current mayor and trusrees are truly representing your views, I beg you to tell everyone....."
Mr. Bagels:
There IS a two party system. In fact, you could technically have a 3 or 4 party system here in Bayville, if people so desired. That is the beauty of the United States. Minority voices are given the opportunity to gain the support of the majority through the voting process. But ultimately, the majority rules. In Bayville, the majority re-elected the Taxpayers Party by a landslide.
I find it rather ironic that many of the same people who condemned me for running for school board because I have a different opinion on some issues than the status quo "team", will now blog in support of "diversity" on the Village Board "team".
No one is entitled to "diverse" representation on a Board just because they are different. The voters decide. Maybe this election will go in the newcomers favor. Maybe not. I for one will be voting for the TEAM which has presented at least FIVE (5) Village budgets with ZERO(0)tax increases. That's the kind of representation I think is worth keeping around.
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I just received my 2008 tax bill yesterday. There was an increase of $100. from last year. My taxes have doubled with in the past seven years. Do some get increases and some not?
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PTA and PC's are two completely different species.
I too enjoyed the silence of the spin doctor Lisa, she has a right to swpeak just don't address her!
BTW, we did get diversity, we got a new player on the BOE, it just wasn't a divisive person as yourself.
I am sad Cathy and Joe did not win, I voted for all three newbies! Good try anyway!
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milkmaid:
Thank you so much for sharing with the blog your higher critical thinking skills. It is so much more polite and civilized to anonymously badmouth someone instead of speaking to them directly.
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TAX BILL:
Please compare your property's assessed value from 07 to 08 and see of it increased. The Inc. Village of Bayville's tax rate is exactly the same as last year.
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It decreased.
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Tax Bill:
Interesting. Then I would recommend that you bring your bill up to Village Hall and demand an explanation/reissue. Something's not right.
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Thanks for the info.
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This article came from the 1998 Oyster Bay Enterprise Pilot, please read below
Bayville Tower
Bayville Mayor Victoria Seigel spoke to Locust Valley Rotary members on April 16 and said the previous administration allowed a cellular tower to be built at the village complex on their water tower. It carries A T & T Wireless, Bell Atlantic Nynex and NC Emergency Management System.
Mayor Seigel said in 1954 when the property was gifted to the village by Harrison Williams he said only the back yard could be worked. The rest was to be kept in pristine state, "So we are in violation of the deed," she said. When other companies ask to be on the tower, she gives them a copy of the deed, "And keep them at bay."
She added, "The 1996 federal government gave carte blanche to the cellular carriers to do almost anything they want to do." She advised municipalities to "Work on zoning laws and enforcement as much as they can.
"The law says it's not debatable. President Clinton says it is no health concern but they shouldn't be put near schools."
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My, that was very creative writing, Anonymous. But considering I have just reviewed all of the online postings for the Oyster Bay Enterprise Pilot from 1998 and the only mention of cell towers deals with Locust Valley, I'm afraid your story carries no credibility.
http://www.antonnews.com/oysterbayenterprisepilot/1998/11/06/
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Make that Locust Valley and Muttontown.
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My apologies, I stand corrected. Here it is:
http://www.antonnews.com/oysterbayenterprisepilot/1998/04/24/news/#Bayville%20Tower
But let me ask you this. This 10 year old article has nothing to do with the Nassau County Police Department antenna. It appears that 10 years ago, Mayor Siegel did indeed try and find a way to prevent further antennas from being placed on the water tower, and was unsuccessful. The Federal Telecommunications Act of 1996 takes precedence over a vague stipulation which could also be interpreted to mean that the water tower doesn't belong on that property! What is your point in bringing this up?
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ONLINE EDITION FRIDAY APRIL 24, 1998
News
Sports
Opinion
Obituaries
Contents
Bayville News
Locust Valley News
News
Cellular Towers Try to Bloom Locally
When Is a Village a Village?
Taxes Drop in Muttontown
Cellular Towers Try to Bloom Locally
By Dagmar Fors Karppi
Communication Companies Target Area to Provide Better Service
Other Local Cases
New Tower for OBWD
Other Town Cases
Bayville Tower
Locust Valley Cellular Tower?
Glen Cove Decision
Communication Companies Target Area to Provide Better Service
The Village of Muttontown is struggling with the issue of having a cellular tower erected on village property. In response to an outpouring of resident sentiment against it a ballot was sent out to residents. Their opinions have been tallied and 261 voted against; 62 voted for; 19 had no opinion and 37 wanted more information. (So far they have received 379 out of 1,000 sent and they are still trickling in.)
That report was given by Muttontown Mayor Byam Stevens Jr. at the April 13 meeting of the board after a resident asked if a moritorium could be put on cellular towers till the end of the year to give the village some "breathing time."
He said the ZBA still has the application for the Brookville Church cellular tower. The Brookville Church is in Muttontown, as is the Jericho Cider Mill.
Mayor Stevens said "The will of the residents is a request to the board to ignore federal law - a very ticklish situation. We don't want to be sued down the pike. We will look into the legal ramifications."
He said since the federal government is selling these frequencies to companies for millions of dollars - they are going to deliver to the companies. The mayor said if there were a fixed moritorium, what would happen if there was a tower plan they liked - possibly in Chelsea - where they would have to take positive action.
As of last week, Jerry Seckler, executive director of the NC OCD, located at Chelsea, said they hadn't heard of the proposal. "Not that I know of," he said. NC Commissioner John Kiernan agreed, "No one's contacted my department either."
There is also a rumor of a tower going up on the Texaco property on Route 106. Other rumor has it that the cellular companies are tired of waiting for the Muttontown tower possibility, where they would have five users sharing, and all the companies are now seeking locations on their own - five towers instead of one in the area.
The mayor said to the residents, "The important thing is that we understand where you are coming from but we have to obey federal law."
Len Gero told the board about a book on how to avoid cellular towers that is put out by the AFL-CIO Communications Workers. The best way to avoid the towers is on environmental issues about wildlife; the devaluation of property; and health studies, he said.
Mr. Gero said the co-location towers were more dangerous. Mr. Stevens s
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Isn't the village in a lawsuit about this deed right now? Why don't the village's lawyers know that the mayor was once using the deed to play the other side of the coin?
it really makes the mayor daring people to sue the village seem very frivolous and risky, fiscally speaking. i wonder if she'd be so cavalier with lawsuits if it were coming out of HER pocket, not the taxpayers.
HEY! maybe that's why her party is named the Taxpayers party.....she has us foot the bill for her follies and stubborn-ness.
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If I am understanding what was posted by Anon, This Mayor said the exact opposite in 1998 of what she is now doing.
She said the deed saved her and us from putting more cells up there, now she says she cannot stop???
Why would any voter take her endorsements of candidates seirioulsy when she cannot keep her own story straight?
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local jane...............................
the mayor goes along with whatever will mean the most gain to her.
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Its all very confusing and that is what they do best, they feed you little pieces of information at a time, which makes you have to connect the dots. If the cell companies were given carte blanche why did the mayor and board members vote on the last antenna. Was this just to patronize us as resident, and if the taxpayer party listen to their residents, I want to know what residents wanted more antennas, the mayor made a hugh mistake at the potenial cost of our children.
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I would like to make a couple of points. This is such an anti-Vicki blog I'm sure my words will be wasted on you, but I will try anyway. First of all, let's re-read the 10 year old excerpt, after the supposed quote about the deed:
"She added, "The 1996 federal government gave carte blanche to the cellular carriers to do almost anything they want to do." She advised municipalities to "Work on zoning laws and enforcement as much as they can.
"The law says it's not debatable. President Clinton says it is no health concern but they shouldn't be put near schools."
The antennas were already near the school in 1998, placed there in 1992 by the Citizens Party administration. The Federal law was already in place. She's the Mayor. All of you berate her and claim she doesn't listen to the residents, but when she tried to find a loophole to prevent any additional antenna from being placed on the tower, you berate her for that 10 years later. Obviously the loophole was ineffective.
The Police Department Emergency system is a county-wide network, not a cell phone company. If you recall, Suozzi even threatened eminent domain if Villages didn't allow the Police to place their antenna. Are you now complaining that there were public hearings held?
I am not an attorney, but I believe the Police Antenna does not fall into the same category as a cell phone provider and therefore, it might have been able to be excluded from the 1996 Federal Telecommunications Act.
I think it is a terrible waste of our taxdollars forcing the Mayor and this Village to defend itself against frivolous lawsuits by residents who refuse to acknowledge Federal law and scientific reports. If certain people are so worried about cell antenna discharge, might I suggest you move to a nice remote island where there are no cell phones, Internet service or microwaves and leave the rest of us Bayville residents in peace.
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Lisa McLoughlin wrote:
"This is such an anti-Vicki blog I'm sure my words will be wasted on you, but I will try anyway."
Lisa - Please do not label this blog as anti-Vicki. You know as well as I do that that is not the intent here. This is an open forum with many topics that have gotten things moving; some situations fixed or at least looked at by the local governments. Yes, there are people here that do not like the way things are run in the village, they are voicing their opinions.
Everyone, please stay on topic and refrain from the constant stabs imbedded in the constructive content. This blog does not exist in a vacuum and many things written here are picked up by the web and reproduced on other news/blog sites. Lets all show our intelligence here.
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If Tom Suozzi was going to claim or threaten eminent domain, then the village mayor and its trustees had the right to turn down the proposal and fight it out in court. Yes no one wants a lawsuit, but now they have to defend their decision in court against the bayville residents,,,the real question is did they represent the publics opinion, and there is only one answer NO they did not. The majority of the residents did not want anymore antennas. So we have to ask ourselves, are these the people that we want speaking for us, the ones that do not listen.
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I have a comment regarding the "5 village budgets without tax increases" stated by Lisa McLoughlin. It is my understanding that the village r/e tax is a percentage of the assessed value of the property,therefore if the property appreciates in value the village collects more $,but the percentage of tax remains the same. Thus no tax increase, with larger overall tax revenue. Is that really a no tax increase budget? Stating a "No tax increase budget" gives the illusion that more is being done with less,when in reality more is being done with more.Wouldn't the taxpayers represented by the Taxpayers Party have been better represented by a tax DECREASE when assessments were at their height? LVCSD has done one better, they increase the percentage of tax assessed against the property while also gaining additional revenue due to higher assessment values. What happens when assessed values drop? How will the local governments and school districts, whose budgets are derived from r/e taxes,make up the difference? How much can the average homeowner give towards r/e taxes w/o affecting their quality of life? 10%,15% of income?
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Jeff:
My apologies. What I meant was the vast majority of people who post to this blog appear to be anti-Vicki, not the blog itself.
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Concerned Taxpayer,
The change in assessed value does not change the total amount of budget. The assessment system is used as a way to divide up the portion of the budget paid by each property owner. If the assessed value of every property in the village doubled in one year and the budget remained the same, the tax rate would be cut in half and your tax would not change.
On the other hand if your property assessment doubled in one year and all other assessment remained the same, your share of the taxes would double.
Barry
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Good evening, I was looking at the blog and reading up about the upcoming election for trustee. My family and I are new to the village about year and half. What does the village trustee do. What are they responsible for. Who is running and how can I learn more. I do not see any signs around town. other then the blog I would have never knew there was an election coming up, don't anyone care. For such a small town, thing are so hush hush. Maybe someone could point me in the right direction. Looking for some input..Thanks and God Bless
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Larry- you bring up a point that others have mentioned: there is a general lack of information. The Village has a website whicha announces all the Village board meetings and things like that. I attended a monthly meeting once and there were two people present - me and another fellow.
As for the role of trustee, they attend meetings and vote on agenda items. They are also there to address concerns of the residents.
There is a general apathy about village government which is too bad. People complain about the taxes but seem to be indifferent about the people who are ultimately spending your money.
The next village board meeting will be Monday, June 28th at 7:30 pm in the Village Hall.
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It is our responsibility as residents to advocate for ourselves. Why are the residents apathetic, do they feel beating down. Has politics here in bayville worn everyone down. I moved here from a small town and the residents were very active in village administration. You mention something about lack of information, I find that confusing, doesn't the current administration disclose all information pertaining to the residents, wow I think opened a can worms, its more confusing now then before. Please advise, willing to hear both sides.
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There are things that go on in the village that only local residents may know about. After all, if a block on the other side of town is doing something with their road I might not be interested.
The Village Board is required to have an agenda for meetings and these are available before the meeting. I have wondered why the agenda and minutes are not posted on the website. The information is available at village hall if you are interested.
The Village newsletter is informative but I don't know how many people read it or pay attention to its contents. By the way, campaign literature from the Taxpayer's Party indicates that the village is looking into redoing the website.
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Taxpayers Party promised a new website last time.They also stated that medical offices were going into Poseidon. They have however done some good things lately. However, the Village still looks like a depression hit it, and the few new flowers they plant barely covers the eye sores.Taxpayers party wants to always be in control forever!!! Dont ever vote for anyone else everyone else is not worthy. Why do we need people from another party, that would be a democracy! According to them, they are doing the best job.....unfortunately people around here beleive it until after the election and then they open their eyes.
The only person who can stake claim to having any input from the Taxperys side, for what has gone on here is DOug Watson. He has held office and has done a lot! The other two the taxpayers endorse are just as new as the Bayville Family Party. Are we to expect they will just tow the line and do what they are told? Or are these two actually thinking individuals??? That is to be determined, because as of yet, I have not heard of anything either has said. Just heard what the Taxperys party toldme about them.
I would love a Meet the candidates night to hear all of the people speak.
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There's nothing wrong with wanting a Meet The Candidates night. What non-partisan community organization do you suggest should set it up and invite the candidates to speak?
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ITK, I feel the sameway about the taxpayer party,I have heard of Doug Watson, but the field is even amoung the other 4 candidates. Do the 2 taxpayer candidates know how to think for themselves. Do they have a vision, do they honestly think that the village administration is so great. I recieved two TP newletter today and one last week, the one from last week said nothing about their ambitions or their vision, the one from today just trahed the other candidates, stating that whatever ideas they have we are doing. . Where are their ideas, are they just robots, are they going to be able to step up to the plate and ask the tough questions, are they going to be able to question her.... I too call for a meet the candidates night,,,,,who else out there believes we should meet the candidates, I do not want them locking on my door during my dinner, that is my family time... so do not lock on my door,
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I went to the school board meet the candidates night. I was very torn between 4 candidates, the meet and greet night gave me an opportunity to hear from the candidates. I understand that the school board member election is a lot different then the village election, both the meet and greet stills holds the same principals. I want someone as a trustee that is willing to hear me, they do not need to be perfect, just someone that is going to hear me and the rest of the residents. Please, will some community organization arrange a meet and greet.
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Looks like the Taxpayers Party had someone proof read and perform a spell check on the 2nd mailing. Good job TP, better late than never.
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Well this mailing was easier, all they had to do is take the BFP platform and trash it using simple 4 grade words like, "we are doing that" and "this already occurs" or my favorite "we agree with them"
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This is absurd, the taxpayer party did an extensive search for the best candidates, someone speaks about their vision, well their vision is Byaville Pride. There is no reason for two parties, the current administration is doing a fine job, and you might as well leave it alone. Can you really trust the BFP, what is their experience, are they going to be able to answer the tough question, and who cares, even if both of them were to get it, they would be the minority,,,they would lose ever battle. Why cause conflict, this would only drag out the meeting and resolve nothing. Lets move past this, focus on strengthening the taxpayer party and work together, sorry BFP better luck in 2010, sincerely a taxpayer party supporter...
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"who else out there believes we should meet the candidates, I do not want them locking [sic]on my door during my dinner, that is my family time... so do not lock [sic] on my door" ~Mad Cupcake
Hmmm. It's responses like this that make me want to get a degree in psychiatry. Most peculiar. This individual, this "mad cupcake", appears to desperately want to hear what the candidates opinions are. Mad cupcake feels the literature distributed by one party is the product of robots, but then doesn't want those same robots walking around Mad Cupcake's neighborhood and making themselves most vulnerable by knocking on the rabbit hole where the Mad Cupcake" dwells. During dinner.
What if they were to come at tea time? Would the Mad Hatter be there too? Would you vote for them if they woke up the doormouse? Would you even invite them in for tea? Oh, what a terrible conundrum!
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I LOVE YA LISA
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Lisa, you finally have gone off the deep end, you love to twist words, it easy for one party to parade up together and answer the same question. I want them one on one, they are afraid to show their individuality. lisa please help me understand what part of that newsletter was good, because thought it was useless, newsletters for elections are to spotlight your party, since only one has accomplished anything, the other need to have ideas,,, not say :things are good"
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"I want them one on one, they are afraid to show their individuality." `Mad as hell Cupcake
My goodness, I'd certainly be afraid of having to go one on one with a Mad as Hell Cupcake! Imagine the mess, the ground in chocolate stains, the cream splatter, the gore!
Don't do it Taxpayer Party candidates! Dare not knock on that door! Beware the Mad as Hell Cupcake that resides in our sleepy Village of Bayville. Who knows where this crazed custard filled delicacy dwells!
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Mad as hell Cupcake-
It seems as if you have misunderstood Lisa's humor
The tax payer's party literature is very clear in telling the village that the other party's platform is exactly what they are already instituting...the other party is not offering anything new.
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KNOCK , KNOCK
Whose there?
Taxpayer Party
Taxparty Who?
The taxpayer Party that has none of it own ideas.
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Mad & Mad as Hell Cupcakes,
Ohhhhhhh, you're a couple. How sweet!
It's called running on a record of accomplishments. Many, many, good ideas have already been implemented and established. Naughton and Visecchi obviously are pleased with the accomplishments of the Taxpayer's Party or they wouldn't have agreed to run on that ticket. There are a lot of us here in Bayville who are quite happy with the way this Village has been run and continues to run because of the dedication of volunteers like Mayor Siegel and Doug Watson, along with the other fine Trustees. I don't have any complaints with the Village of Bayville. I like it just fine. Have for over 30 years.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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The village has been updating the website for two years they used that one in the last election, they have been working on the posideon cove for another two years, still an empty lot, a pile on bricks, can't wait to take my wedding pictures there.they are just so great,,,the community center is a absolute disgrace, weeds everywhere, paint is peeling, and just dirty inside. Also, in regards to committees, I have never ever received anything in the mail about joining a committee, that should be sent out yearly, wouldn't that make sense
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Don't worry mad as hell cupcake-
They knocked on my door and drank my tea, they won't make it through the night!!!
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Is that the voters were saying for the school board, Lisa I know your smarter then that...Do you truly think that everything is fine
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did they really knock on your door. what part of town do live in, number streets, president, by the school, or bayville park
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1. The Village doesn't own Poseidon's Cove.
"They knocked on my door and drank my tea, they won't make it through the night!!!" ~anonymous
And I hope very much that Mr. Silver and Mr. Lamb have your IP address so that God forbid, if these nice people end up poisoned by some sicko they can provide it to the police.
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Lisa-
Just sharing a little "humor"
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Let's everyone remember a few things:
#1 - During the last mayoral election, the Resident's First Party had a website and obviously did them no good. A website is NOTHING!! Clearly the residents of Bayville prefer a door to door campaign. Not everything online is a good thing.
#2 - With regards to the Taxpayer Party occupying every seat in the Village: we put them there. The residents vote and decide who is there. It's not some clandestined ritual where certain people are selected. WE VOTE FOR THEM. And it's clear to me that the resident's are satisfied with the job they are doing because they are consistently re-elected.
I know some people comment on the state of the Village but I don't think they realize what they are commenting on. The Village officials are not responsible for businesses going under and buildings being empty. Unfortunately it's the residents' fault for not frequenting these places to support them. I myself am at fault. The only restaurant I choose in Bayville is the Twin or Ralph's. A business can't stay afloat unless it has consumers. If you look at the properties owned by the Village, they are immaculate. Let's start harassing the TOB for that disgrace of a beach across from the Stands. That's a tremendous eyesore in our Village.
Also, there are so many attacks on the character of our Mayor. That should really stop. It's easy to be annon. and make them. But she has been a valuable asset to our Village for more years than most people commenting on this blog have lived in our Village or been alive on this Earth for that matter. I am a young mom in this town who has grown up here and chosen to raise my own child here. I'm very disappointed to see that people are basing these elections on websites and online polls. Let's keep the small town feeling that has existed here for years. If you don't want the candidates to come to your house during dinner time, perhaps it is you who is out of place and not the officials.
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Enough is Enough.......
Did you live here during hte last village election? the people who ran against the incumbents not only came door to door, but had supporters all over town holding coffees in their homes to which they invited their freinds and neighbors. I am not a born and bred bayville person and i was invited to two different coffees.
say what you want about them but they sure as heck did a lot more campaigning than just a newsletter and website.
but i know that someone will complain about being bothered by their coffees and door knocking, you can't please everyone.
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I hate door knockers, the dam bugs fly in, I want to met the residents, why doesn't the rotary club or the chmaber organize a debate. That makes more sense.
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Well as for me, This is NOT a mayoral election, this is for 3 trustees, and look, to be honest, this is far from a 2 party system. The whole "party" thing is lost on me, these are all individuals - though it would be nice to hear more individuality in our current gov't. I personally am voting for one person from each of the parties so far, (still undecided on the 3rd) I think its a great idea for the Chamber to Sponsor a debate would be terrific, or a meet the candidaters would perhaps be less stressful.
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Lisa,
Why are you so afraid to try something new? How do you know that this BFP will not do a better JOB? Everyone deserves a chance. You seem very threatened.
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I have heard that the BFP had a meet and greet last weekend at the Bayville Deli, did anyone stop by to talk to the? I see from their Web site that another one is scheduled for this Saturday in the Village. Rumors are flowing that they invited the Taypayer Party Candidates to a "meet/greet" hosted by the League of Women Voters sometime next week. That sounds to me like accessibility without intrusion. Thoughts anyone.
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Joan:
What makes you think I am afraid of new things? Because I researched the IB program in depth and found it to be inferior to AP? Because I researched the old Blue Bag program that the Citizen's Party tried to implement instead of our current recycling program and found it to be more expensive, less efficient and not a savings at all?
The difference between me and those who want to support any politician or trustee simply because they promise "change" or something "new, is that I have a deep appreciation of things that are good. I feel blessed to have been able to raise two healthy, happy children in a home of our own on a big piece of property in this beautiful seaside town. I feel blessed that despite the confused administration and Board in our school district, that the schools themselves are safe, clean and well maintained. I, and my family, feel safe in Bayville. The only threats I have received are coming from anonymous people supporting the BFP and some not so anonymous people who supported the status quo at the school. I get attacked for wanting "change" in the school and attacked for wanting the continued quality of representation in my Village. I have no need for 300 phony "friends" who will stab me in the back. My good friends have been friends for a very long time and know they can call me up at 3:00 in the morning if they need me and I'll be there. If we disagree on something, I know they won't be anonymously blogging about what a "loser" I am. I didn't run for the Board as a popularity contest. I ran on a specific issue and the voters have spoken. In Bayville, only 14 more people voted for the incumbent who pandered to the anti-cell tower group than me. That tells me that my opinion is not a fringe opinion, but rather, one the district should acknowledge rather than denigrate.
It would seem to me that a lot of people are awfully threatened by what I think, else why would they run around buying up The Leader so people couldn't buy it on the newsstand? Don't be afraid. I really don't bite. You are free to disagree with my opinions, but there really is no need to paint me as a frightened, angry individual.
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Concerned Resident
Where and when will the "league of women voters" hold this meeting. As for the "party" system, I look at the individual running, not the "party". Most of us are registered voters of one party or another, this doesn't mean we vote the "party" slate. In a small village, I feel it's important for the residents to have a chance to meet all individuals running for a seat in our local government. I do hope the league of women voters can put a meeting together. If not them, some other community group. Bayville does have a "community center" that can be used.
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Cathy,
The League of Women Voters does not organize such functions, but serves to moderate and can be invited by the hosting organization. As such, the Chamber or the Rotary must first put together the venue, invite the candidates and then request that the League be present.
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Heard Through the grape vine, a Meet the Candidates Night is in the works, still working out the details and then the location and time/date will be announced. Stay tuned!!
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I have some questions to the above posters.
1)The Taxpayers Party did an extensive serch? How was the search conducted? Who was asked? Were there try outs of were their candidates hand picked?
2)Who is the Taxpayers party anyway? I don't need them to have a website, but how about a simple phone number?
They have been around forever, no number? No annual meetings for people to join or be active? No listing of their officers? WHO are THEY? If they are not headed by Mayor Siegel than who runs the party?
3)This is NOT a Mayoral election, so the three with the most votes will win.
This party stuff is silly, so why not vote the individuals!
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Just asking,
My vote is with you. Why is there a party system, in this little village? I always vote for the individual running, regardless of the party, in any election.
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Cathy:
A "party" system developed in this Village back in the early 80's when the now defunct Citizens Party was in power, and a young "upstart" named Victoria Siegel was a minority Trustee on the Board. It became rapidly apparent that this minority position was the one which favored improvements to the Village and to fairly represent the taxpayers, hence the birth of TIP. Since as we know, there is power in numbers, it was important to gather supporters under the TIP umbrella.
You could consider the BFP candidates the new "upstarts", seeking to take away power from TIP the way TIP dethroned the Citizens Party. Does that mean they don't have some good ideas? Absolutely not. Are they being given a chance to represent residents via the Democratic process we have in place? Absolutely. Bottom line, there is power in numbers when you have the backing of an established group.
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Thank you for the info. Since you are well informed maybe you can answer
a few questions.
1)So the Mayor now is the head of the TIP party?
2)When we recieve the letters from the TIP party we can assume it is she writing them?
3) If the Mayor is not the contact person, Does anyone know how to contact the TIP party and who they are?
Cathy,
I too will be voting for individuals. Most likely 3 of the four new candidates. The one guy has been in it way too long and that is never a good thing in politics.
Would love to hear them speak, hope a meet the canidates comes to pass.
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Just Asking:
1. Yes, Mayor Siegel is the "head" of the TIP party
2. Is she writing them? I believe she has some input, as do the candidates the literature is about.
3. Mayor Siegel's home number is in the phone book if you want to discuss party politics. If you need to speak to her regarding a Village issue, you can reach her at Village hall, M-F 628-1439 Ext. 24.
4. To not vote for Mr. Doug Watson because he has been a dedicated, responsible and productive Trustee for a number of years is one of the stupidest reasons I have ever heard.
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When I called the village and talked to MAH, she was unablle to give me phone number to the TPP. And Mayor Siegel is not on their petition
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Who pays for the TIP Mailers?, I guess the person who addresses them must be volunteering to do so? Its the same handwriting as when we get Village Bulletins. weird. I agree, the "party" system is silly, tho I guess it makes sense to run with a slate of folks who most likely will vote your way. I'm voting for individuals...not sure that anyone is actually "registered" as a TIP or CP or whatever. Why doesn't the Taxpayers Party LIST contact info, that's a standard for political mailers...or actually for ANY mailer. And the TIP part should indeed have a website, its 2008 not the early 80's.
Maybe our Village should institute term limits...
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don't the 'parties' have to register with the elections board of the county? maybe if the information about TIP isn't forthcoming from our local election official (talk about the cat guarding the henhouse, by the way) a phone call to the county might shed some light.
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Check article 15 and 16 of the NYS election law, you can find it online, but if you are a TPP member you might not a be able to find it on-line. The village election is run by the village clerk, and her boss runs the TPP, so with that said. I suggest that everyone call the village clerk Monday June 9 and ask for a contact number for the TPP, lets see who # you get...
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The Bayville Family Party Trustee Candidates had invited the Taxpayer Party Trustee Candidates to an event hosted by the League of Women Voters. Unfortunately the Taxpayer Party president has left us a letter indicating they will be at another "venue" Tuesday evening. We have extended the offer for another evening and are awaiting their reply. The Bayville Family Party as planned will then hold their third Meet and Greet with the Bayville Residents at Jones Manor on the Sound, June 10th at 7pm.
Please check our Web Site for further information as it becomes available, www.bayvillefamilyparty.com
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I have located some information about the Taxpayer Party of Bayville, Inc.
President: xxxxxxx
Address: xxxxxxx
Telephone: 628xxxx
Let's all reach out to her and see if she can provide the remaining information.
Address removed by Admin- Please do not post names with addresses and phone #'s especially if you are posting anonymously. Continuous posting in this manner will get IP blacklisted
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I will be at the meet and greet, look forward to discussing the issues with the candidates. I only wish that both parties could have been there. What is the other event. Who organized the night that the BFP will be at, are we able to bring our kids. will there be coffee and cake there. I glad to see that someone wants to hear from the residents. This big for the residents....how can I spread the word.Thanks BFP, Good luck
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I see that the Bayville Family Party is having a meet and greet, was the other party candidates invited. Does the Taxpayer Party plan on having their own meet and greet, can anyone advise me. Also do need to sign up for the event, and if so do I need to contact anyone..Thanks
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I heard the Tax Payers party is having a keg party down at CI
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Tom Alfano and Richard Kita (not sure of spelling) run the taxpayer party. What I find very interesting is Maria Alfano who is in charge of the village election and has not lived in Bayville for many years at least 15 I believe is still a registered voter in the village. This is not only unethical but also ILLEGAL. Lets not kid ourselves the TPP party is probably using our taxpayers dollars to finance their campaign. Their flyer's look way to similar to the flyer's we get from the village throughout the year. Why would they change there MO now. They illegally used town hall the last election and got away with it.
Oh by the way anyone now who the new 80 year old employee is in town hall. YES you guessed it another Alfano glad to see VICKY is keeping Nepotism alive and well in Bayville.
Wake up Bayville lets get a second party into office and see what is really going on in town hall. If you vote the Family party in there will be absolutely no harm done they will not hold a majority vote, but might be a well needed watch dog in the one party system. There is a reason why our country has always been governed with a two party system, lets make Bayville the same way.
I truly do not know if there can be a fair election in this town when the head of the elections can not even keep herself legitimate how can she possibly run a legitimate election.
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In response to "The Truth", i echo your message. We need someone on our side watching all the behind the scenes stuff. (Nepotism and impropriety), take a good look at whats going on at village hall. Do believe that you are fully informed. Shouldn't the information be there. I want 100% disclosure, who is with me.
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Tom Alfano, is Maria Alfano-Hardy's father. MAH is the election official for the election. Tom is the "leader" of the TPP party and holds meetings at his house a few nights a week since the election started. Conflict of interest?
Not broken don't fix it?
He and Kita are neighbors and Kita donates $$ to the TPP party to pay for their budget.
There is a lot of information in VH, you just need to foil it all.
Who is Judy S.? How did you find out that info?
Lets get some new people on their.
I wonder if Kate and Pete know they were invited to a Meet the Candidate night, I cannot imagine those two not wanting to meet the public. They probably do not even know about the invite.
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To in the Neighborhood, on the BFP website it states that letters (s) were sent to the taxpayer party candidates, so I would assume that all 3 candidates were informed.Under VS rein, there is no thinking only following.
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aside from the vob & tpp stand on the cell tower issue i'm pretty happy with the way our gov. is run .they pick up my garbage and have'nt raised our taxes in a while.does anyone know what theBFP stand is on cell towers ?when it comes to gov. any gov. the less involved in our lives they are the better off we all are. P.S. I thought the fortune cookies at the parade were tacky ,they should've had a fortune in them at least.
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To KM
The bayville family party addresses their stand on the cell towers on their website, bayvillefamilyparty.com. Also remember there is meet the candidates night Tuesday June 10 at jones manor on the sound, starting at 7 pm, if you have any question for the BFP go tonight. P.S. you could also email the BFP through their website.
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Just came from the meet and greet with the BFP. Enjoyed hearing their opinions and felt that they truly are in this for the community's well being. The BFP talk about numerous issues that as a resident of bayville i was unaware of. I would have like to have heard from the TPP but they declined the meet tonight. Does anyone know if the TPP is having a meet and greet?
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"I heard the Tax Payers party is having a keg party down at CI" ~Bucky
Allrighhht!
"Lets get some new people on their."~In the Neighborhood
On their? On their what? It's THERE, not their. Geez, how freakin stupid are some people?
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Take a look at a local village website, imagine we need this,,http://www.malvernevillage.org/index.html
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went on sea cliff village website, and they have their board of trustee minutes posted, wow full disclosure,, http://www.seacliff-ny.gov/
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It is time for this Village to have more than one voice,
People do not have to vote the party line, the candidates are individuals, even though they run under two parties.
THE TOP THREE INDIVIDUALS WITH THE MOST VOTES WIN!
Vote Naughton, Trama and Russo. You will get a fair balance with free thinking, smart, passionate individuals.
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I missed the meeting. I hope to hear something from someone who was at the meet the candidates party tonight.
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Heard i missed the free food
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Yeah, about that "meet and greet"......
The word I got was:
A. It was put together by the BFP, NOT the Chamber or the Rotary
B. TIP candidates were invited on Saturday for tonight's event
C. TIP candidates (3) were told they would have to contribute $100 each towards the League of Women Voters
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If you don't have facts, then maybe you should shut your trap.
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Oh, those are the facts. If you think you know something other than what I have stated, then by all means, share it, rude Lisa.
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Lisa, Good Morning:
The facts are:
1-the taxpayer party was in receipt of a "meet the candidates" letter on Thursday June 5
2-the league of woman voters accept a donation of 100 dollars, the donation has to be of equal amount from each party, (third grade math $50 from each party) not $100 each member, you are
completely wrong.
3- the BFP sent a letter to each Taxpayer party candidate hoping that they would agree to a meet and greet for the residents.
4-The TIP was instructed in the letter to call the BFP if they accepted the BFP invitation. Instead the TIP drop off a letter at one of the BFP candidates house Sunday night at 9 pm, stating that they had another event scheduled already on Tuesday. But what they did not know because they did not follow the simple instruction was call, because the BFP also had alternate date and time ( Wednesday at the firehouse) for a meet the candidates.
Lisa- your mouth will get you in trouble, this time you spoke without collecting the facts. Please disregard Lisa's posting above, she is completely wrong. remember to vote "B" bayville family party
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It's always good to get both sides of a story. So after hearing BFP's not very polite response, let's see where our facts overlap:
1. The meet and greet was arranged by the BFP, NOT the Chamber or the Rotary
2. The TIP candidates received 5 days' notice
3. BFP pre-obligated TIP to a "$100 donation", aka participation fee.
And the NERVE of TIP to drop off a written response instead of following BFP orders to call!
Good for TIP saying thanks, but no thanks. Guess I'm not "completely wrong", eh?
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btw, I will double-check that "contribution" amount, but even if it is $1, it was still wrong of the BFP to pre-obligate TIP for this meet. In the case of the LVCSD Meet the Candidates Night, the CPC picked up the cost of the League of Women Voters, NOT the candidates.
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It seems to me the intent is simple. The BFP felt the residents of Bayville deserved the respect and opportunity to meet all the candidates, so absent of a local organization setting this up the BFP attempted to. They tried to arrange this via the mail (only known way to contact the candidates equally) and were rejected. Lisa you can say what you want (you always do) but the reality is that the BFP wanted to meet the Bayville Residents along with TIP and were open as to when with the first choice being Tuesday. TIP in their rejection letter presented no alternative dates and according the BFP's Web Site they have not replied to a follow up request. To me this is silly and childish. Residents you decide but do VOTE!!!!! The money is not the issue I am sure had this been arranged someone would have "covered the tab".
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Dear Concerned Resident,
"The money is not the issue I am sure had this been arranged someone would have "covered the tab""
I respectfully disagree. If we want officials who will openly and honestly represent the residents when it comes to expenditure of their taxes, then I (I won't presume to speak for anyone else) want people who are open and transparent.
This meet and greet was NOT hosted by a non-partisan group and no one else offered to "cover the tab". It is absolutely not within the right of one party to commit the other party to a financial obligation and then act all insulted because the other party declined the "invitation".
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Regarding "intent" -
If the BFP's pure "intent" was to arrange such a forum, then why weren't they able to gather the support of the Chamber or the Rotary to host it? If they are that ineffective in arranging a debate (which I see nothing wrong with and say bravo to anyone who encourages community communication) prior to the election, then how can we possibly expect them to be effective as Village Trustees?
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Lisa
"If they are that ineffective in arranging a debate prior to the election, then how can we possibly expect them to be effective as Village Trustees?
, are you 100% sure that the BFP did not ask a community organization if they would organize a meet and greet, and turned down(thats your assumption), please only post facts not your opinion.
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Kate Naughton's quote in the Leader "I serve on the Environmental Committee and would like to see more "green" initiatives, like the use of cloth bags at the supermarket."
How enviromentally friendly is she, 3 mailing to bayville households.
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I wasn't really impressed with Mayor Siegals Letter today. Putting down BFP is NOT going to win her my Vote on June 17th. And yes, I did go onto Bayville family Party's Website & did review their backgrounds.
So many people are going to have a smack in their face when we do find out the cell towers are Dangerous to our children. So please Mayor Siegal and her Followers... Please stop telling people the antenna's are safe & will cause NO harm to our children.
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Big Mamma,
"are you 100% sure that the BFP did not ask a community organization if they would organize a meet and greet, and turned down(thats your assumption)"
Well, no, but if they didn't that was pretty stupid on their part, as that was what was being "called for" here on this blog and so they missed the opportunity to be the "heroes" and the "catalyst" for a non-partisan event that the other party might actually have attended.
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Kate Naughton wants to enforce the use of reusable bags at the supermarket? Every time anything comes up about the businesses in town looking so run down or there being empty storefronts or half finished projects, Mayor S is quick to point out that the businesses/buildings are independently owned and the village has no real jurisdiction. Given that, How does Kate Naughton plan on enforcing what kind of bags the stores give out and that people use? I own about 10 cloth bags for my groceries but i sometimes forget them at home....so would i be stopped at the cash register at IGA and not allowed to check out w/out my cloth bags? or would i be forced to load it all loose into the back of my car? seems a ridiculous sentiment to be running on.
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Edie -
"seems a ridiculous sentiment to be running on"
Uh yeah, it would be, if your ridiculous interpretation had anything to do with the quote. Only someone with a general fascist-like mentality would interpret "like the use of" into "mandatory usage and control over private enterprise".
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Questions still out there.....
Who are the Taxpayers party?
How do we contact them?
If they are open and transparent, when are their meetings, how do I contact them?
Yes Mayor Siegel is in the book, but she is not the head, she was the founder, who is in charge? How do I call them to join up and help?
Why is Mayor Siegel going door to door with the Trustees?
The administration runs on fear and propaganda as evident by the mailing today.
Lisa, who hosted the BOE Meet the Candidates?
Good try BFP, Tip showed their true colors, their people CANNOT speak for themselves, they are only allowed to think what they are told and only allowed to speak when spoken to.
The "new" hand picked Tip candidates are equal to the BFP candidates, how dare the current administration put out writings that lead people to think otherwise.
By the way Lisa, I voted for you because I went to the MTC night. You were smart and honest, if I had not gone I would not have voted for you.
TIP lost a big opportunity and they look like cowards!
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"BACK ROOM POLITICS DONE IN PRIVATE HOMES FOR PRIVATE IDEAS" IS THIS WHERE THE TPP HAS BEEN! WHY MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THE RESIDENTS OF BAYVILLE.. ?
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The mayors newsletter today is all speculation and here say, no concrete evidence. The mayor is completely telling the residents lies, she is blowing smoke up our @#$. Even it all of the BFP were to be elected they would still be the minority, its simple math.
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Anonymous,
Thank you for your vote and your kind words. Even if we don't share the same opinions on all issues, I hope you will give what I have to say about our Village, equal weight.
The Coordinated Parents' Council, which is the umbrella organization for all of the PTAs and Parent Councils in LVCSD, hosted the Meet the Candidates Night and paid the League of Women Voters the fee.
Mayor Siegel is the Chief elected official of the Taxpayers Party and as such, she is accompanying the Trustees as they visit Bayville residents. I, for one, happen to think this is the most personal, grassroots method of getting to know people. It is also one which makes the TIP candidates and the Mayor herself, very vulnerable if they happen to knock on the door of someone like the Mad Cupcake.
The Mayor's newsletter took each one of the BFP's 10 Point platform points verbatim and addressed them. She did not attack the BFP, but rather pointed out that almost everything the BFP is putting out there as "change", the Village has not only done, but done well. As a 31 year resident of Bayville, and having lived at both ends of town, I can say with confidence, they have.
If they have not yet visited you, you can e-mail me at ib_sucks@yahoo.com with your address, and I will make sure that they don't miss your block.
Mayor Siegel's home # and I believe all of the TIP Trustee candidates are listed in the phone book. I guess there are annual meetings of TIP, but I have never attended one. I just help out at election time, tend my little Adopt-A-Spot and am really very content with the way things have been run in this Village. I have always found Mayor Siegel to be honest, forthright, to do her research, and I've known her now for 30 years. You are wrong about her using fear and propaganda, everything in that letter is the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it heals.
If TIP had hosted a meet and greet, had given the BFP less than a week's notice and told them they had to cough up money to participate, do you really think they would have gone? Seriously, think about it. If the Chamber or Rotary, a non-partisan group had hosted it, it would have been a whole different ball of wax and then if TIP refused, I might give some of your allegations credence. But such is not the case.
If you want to be technical, I don't think I ever officially "joined" TIP. I've just participated in fundraisers and the like. It's not like registering for the Presidential election where you get to vote in a Primary if you are registered with a party. I mean, geez, it's just a little local Village election!
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Lisa,
I exaggerate for effect. It's annoying when someone takes your words and stretches them to the farthest possible extreme, isn't it?
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Lisa, Thanks for the info, we will agree to disagree.
But one final rhetorical question:
Are you saying that if I want to get in touch with the TIP party, you LIsa McGlouhlin are the conduit for that?
That is absurd! They are a group running a campaign and should have accessibility for the masses, bnot private emails to people who are not candidates or even "members" of the party....that is as "back room" as it gets.
You are nitpicking the chamber or rotary thing, they would never host one because the Mayor would not allow it!
Go open and transparent Bayville Gov!!!
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Anonymous,
Did you not read my post? CALL THEM! MAYOR SIEGEL AND EACH OF THE CANDIDATES ARE IN THE PHONE BOOK! I offered, if you are too timid to place such a call, to provide the Mayor with your address if you choose to e-mail it to me instead of posting it here on the blog, so they could come by and visit. You want to twist that into something that it's not, that's your problem.
Edie -
What "effect" might that be? Being a ......[yawn] oh look at that, it's past my bedtime. Night all!
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Before you go to sleep...
I read your post did you read mine. I want to contact the TAXPAYER PARTY, not Vicki, she is NOT running.
I have contacted both new candidates and they were ambiguos in their answers, must be Taxpayer Party training 101, avoid answering direct questions!
I was not twisting your words, just simply shocked that you would offer yourself as a conduit to get them to come visit me. I find it very odd, thats all!
If I want the BFP party to visit me I know WHO they are and Where to find them.
Also just noticed, they removed the name of the President of TIP party above, understand about the address, but if you google TIP party she does come up her name should be public!
Just seems to me it is all smoke and mirrors laced with propaganda mailings.
No need to reply LIsa, we agree to disagree, have a good night.
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Here's another question? Who thought of the BFP, what they stand for, and who is their President,Secy, and so forth? Who "hand picked" Trama and Russo to run for trustees. Did they just meet up at IGA one day,and say to each other - "Let's start a new political party in Bayville, so we can have a 2 party system."
Enough with the "party system" There are five people running for three seats. Which of the five "individuals" will stand up, speak out, be approachable, and do what's best for Bayville, without anybody pulling their strings? Seems like "both parties" have string pullers.
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"If TIP had hosted a meet and greet, had given the BFP less than a week's notice and told them they had to cough up money to participate, do you really think they would have gone?" Has the TIP party tried???? There is still time for them to do that why don't they want to meet as a group rather than us flip through the phone book to get in touch with them? What are they afraid of?
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Maybe there are requirements with the election that each person running must be affiliated with a party? Could I just run as Jane Doe? or would I have to have a Party attached? If I have to base this on which "party" I feel should win, I would vote for Trama and Russo just for the sake of trying to mix things up a bit what we have does seem like one person rule and I am not happy with the alleged easy availability of our current government. And the folks who are stating that they should be able to contact each "Party" are 100% correct, If the TIP candidates wanted to be contacted at home, they should say that in their mailers not count on Lisa McLoughlin to be their mouth-piece and conduit.
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Someone posted this, "Tom Alfano and Richard Kita (not sure of spelling) run the taxpayer party. What I find very interesting is Maria Alfano who is in charge of the village election and has not lived in Bayville for many years at least 15 I believe is still a registered voter in the village. "
If this is true it is shameful, not to bash Maria, the tasks she takes care of are useful, BUT HOW can she be registered to vote...does she say she lives with her parents? Has anyone asked the Mayor about this?
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Lisa,
Can you assist with the comment made above. Please enlighten the residents. Thanks
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"After extensive hearings and research, the Board majority and I found no definitive medical study or information that linked cell towers to illness."
This was a statement in the Open Letter to the Bayville Residents from Mayor Siegel. To set the record straight, the mayor and trustees have been given at least 3 DVDs of scientific research which clearly pointed to an increase risk of some very detrimental physical ailments for those living near cell towers--especially for young children.
I also read (in our Bayville newsletter)that we needed to chlorinate the water for a certain time period after a "problem" was detected (I believe it was one year), and not be subjected to eternal chlorinated water--Mayor Siegel correct me if I am wrong.
As far as the candidates for the Bayville Family Party is concerned, I met them on Tuesday, June 10 (I believe the Taxpayers Party was invited as well), and I found them to be intelligent, well spoken, and genuinely concerned with the health, happiness and welfare of all Bayville Residents. They have my vote.
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The "water " problem the Mayor wrote about in her letter was very odd. Why would she bring this up? It was her son who was at the helm whne the last contamination occurred, which sent us into the chlorination period.
After 3 contaminations, which we had all under Vicki's son steven the head of the Water Dept. the Health Dept of Nassau requires that you must stay on chlorination.
It is true we were one of the last remaining Villages to have non-chlorination water, but why and how we got to cholination rests solely on the ineptitude of Steven Siegel Dept. of water Supervisor.
I for one do not know why the Mayor would open up that can of worms when no one was talking about it.
Oh and by the way, Steven Siegel as of Dec.2007 requirements DOES NOT hold the license required to be in charge of a water dept. he works under someone else's. How many years has he been employed? Why doesn't he hold the correct licenses?
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THE NEWSLETTERS GOING OUT BY THE MAYOR ON BEHALF OF TIP AM I CORRECT TO ASSUME THAT THE RESIDENTS OF BAYVILLE ARE PAYING FOR THEIR CAMPAIGN? DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO HAS PAID FOR THE PRINTING AND POSTAGE OF THESE LETTERS?
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Go Jo-Tina,
Even though I am not in a financial position to help BRACT, I applaud your efforts. You are always well-spoken, intelligent, non-inflamatory and direct. Needless to say, I do not support the endless stream of antenna being attached to our water tower - which by the deeds definition should not have any commercial aspects connected to it. I limit my cell use, I do not have microwave, I am not interested in better connections and could care less if it gets worse, the police/emergency services did just fine before. I care about the health risks (proven or otherwise) and the blatant disregarding of the directives stated in the deed. The Village should have (and should) find a different way. The TIPS aka Villages attempt to whitewash the issue in the recent TIP letter is unacceptable.
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what feelings of schadenfreude my neighbors get from this agitprop that masquerades as political discourse. Life is good, relax. Have a drink and leave the petty wars to the dullards in D.C.
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Obviously, Lisa & the members of the TaxPayer parties have no children in the primary or intermediate school because if they did, they would be voting for the other party.
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JJ,
You are wrong. TIP pays for it's mailings. I'm sure you can go down to the PO and check the permit number. In fact, what a novel idea that would have been before posting your libelous accusations on this blog.
Same to east ender. Maria lives in another town. The voter on the tax rolls is (and I'm not positive which because I didn't listen all that carefully) either her mother or her mother-in-law who has the SAME name and lives in Bayville.
Don't you people have anything better to do than sit around making up lies?
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August,
Good one! I'll have a strawberry daiquiri, please. Everyone else here is scrambling for their dictionaries......LOL!
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There are TONS of people currently on voter registration lists in bayville that do not live here, ie, people who grew up here, registered to vote at their parents home as a young adult, went to college or moved away. even if you move and register to vote elsewhere, you are still registered to vote in the first place until you fall off the list which happens after quite a few years of not voting in that locale. it's not an automatic thing that happens by any stretch.
our voting system is not airtight by any means at all. (not just bayvilles, everywhere)
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AnyonebutTIP,
You are correct. However, this is not a case of whether the system is airtight, this was a specific allegation made against a wonderful lady who works as a Village employee, by someone with a BFP agenda and is nothing but dirty, nasty, politics. Same goes for the comment about Steven Siegel's position with the Water Dept. and his license. Where do people get off dreaming up this garbage? Steven was appointed Superintendent of the WD back in 1992 UNDER THE CITIZEN'S PARTY MAJORITY by Mayor Ed Esposito. He has had the proper license his entire tenure.
Jenna
Well, obviously you're speaking out your you know what because my daughter attended Bayville Primary and Bayville Intermediate from 1995-2000. The first antennas went in in 1992. She's a very healthy 19 year old now, who will be a college sophomore in the fall. She did grow to be 6'. Should I blame that on the cell tower?
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I am a mother of young children who both attend the Bayville Primary School and I wouldn't vote for anyone other than the TIP party. I can't believe some of the things that people have the nerve to write about on this blog. The accusations, conspiracy theories...it's just plain disgusting. To be honest, I'm more concerned over some of the people living in this town than I am over the cell phone towers. Some of the postings are plain ridiculous. It's amazing to me what people will say when they don't have to reveal their identities.
Unfortunately TIP supporters are far and few between on this blog which basically means my comments will be attacked within minutes of me posting this. But for those actually reading with an open mind..I would like to say a few things. I am a life-long resident of this town and until the last mayoral election have basically considered this to be one of the few towns left that have that small town feeling. I was ashamed of how the last election was handled and it seems to me that the vibe has now continued to this election. The negativity and accusations are making the tone of our town and schools one that is uncomfortable and awkward. I have said it before, but we have elected the officials serving our town. They are not appointed or assigned by anyone. The residents have elected them. I should like to hope that the hysteria supported by this blog will not affect people who are happy living here and remember how it used to be and how is should be. Yes, this blog supports hysteria and unfounded accusations. Let's be careful about who we are electing, as we have been in the past. To say that someone with many years of experience shouldn't be elected is one of the most ridiculous comments that has ever been made on this blog (can't remember who said it or when, but it's here). To say that there is corruption in the village is completely unfounded. I am shocked that the blog masters let some of these posts stay on here, but, as I have said before, this is def. an anti-current Village administration blog.
I have known the Mayor for many years and am appalled how she is portrayed on this blog as an anti-children, cancer inducing, raving lunatic. This could not be further from the truth. I suggest you go and visit her and you will find that she is receptive to all ideas. I can see how some would find her a strong figure because she doesn't put up with crap from anyone. She stand strong for what she has believed in and has served our Village for over 25 years. She has more at stake here in our town than anyone else. To say such horrid things about her are slanderous and just plain untrue.
I urge those who are reading this blog to not get sucked into the madness and hatred that is spewed by the majority of the people here. Research things for yourself before you get pulled into the herd of sheep who seem to not be able to think for themselves but just follow the leader.
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Enough is Enough -
BRAVO!!!! STANDING OVATION!!
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Enough is Enough,
It is clear from your post that anyone opposing the TIP party is viewed as doing something wrong. The BFP party has not had enough funds to send out mailings, therefore, they only have had their public meetings and their newspaper interviews.
THE BFP party has not said one negative thing, they have proposed ideas that are different from the TIP party. That is not wrong, it is not mean and it is not unacceptable. It is democracy, something that this Village has lost sight of.
It is people who have your line of thinking that interpret others with differing views as people who are trying to do something "reprehensible".
Whatever transpired last time, the Village newsletters have proven that a lot of change has occurred since then. That is evident.
People need to continue to run for office in this Village to let the administration know that there is more work to be done and always room for improvement.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
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Enough is Enough,
Funny how you throw out the line of 'amazing what people will say when they don't have to reveal their identities', yet you come in under a pseudynom? If you are so proud to support TIP, why not sign your name?
As far as let's be careful who we elect, yes, let's. Did you ever hear the saying, where there is smoke, there's fire? If there are so very many stories swirling around the mayor and her entourage that are suspicious, maybe some of them are true? maybe not all of them, but some?
also, on the maria alfano still being registered..............
she is maria alfano hardy, right? if her mom/husbands mom have the same first name, they would be maria alfano and/or maria hardy, right? so it seems like SHE is the only one who can be named MAH b/c it's a hyphenated name. I've not seen the election rolls, but if there is a full name of maria alfano hardy registered and voting here, well that's a little sticky.
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what were your words again Lisa? oh yeah...
BRAVO ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!STANDING OVATION!!!!!!
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And please make note that i am applauding ,"AnyonebutTIP"
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To enough is enough
Your views and opinions are well received. Yes the last election the was unusual, but I do not believe that this election is the same. I have not heard the BFP bash the mayor. They have ideas, and different views. If you read the leader, one of the candidates from the BFP stated that he thinks the mayor is doing a good job. Are we that so narrow minded, if I had the time I would run for trustee. Its okay to express an interest in village politics. The mayor stated in her newsletter that the BFP had a secret agenda and would raise taxes, how that is an assumption. The mayor is not being honest.
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Cathy and Larry,
I'm out of town. Would you please post verbatim the line in the Mayor's Open Letter that states:
"The mayor stated in her newsletter that the BFP had a secret agenda..."
Thank you.
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AnyonebutTIP -
"I've not seen the election rolls, but if there is a full name of maria alfano hardy registered and voting here, well that's a little sticky."
Ohhhhhhh. Well, that's certainly an informed method for making decisions. The only thing "sticky" around here is your fingers on your keyboard typing out this nonsense. If you think it is such an issue, why don't you trot yourself down and get a firsthand look before making such stupid accusations.
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http://bayvillefamilyparty.com/
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Enough is Enough-
Funny I see you using an alias.
As far as the blog as an anti current administration, you couldn't be more wrong.
This is an open forum where anyone can express their first amendment right. Is you are offended feel free not to participate, that is your right.
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Obviously what I said about being attacked as a TIP supporter is true for the most part. I feel that there are a couple of things I should address. First, I never said one negative word regarding the BFP party. I merely stated what my own feelings were. I also certainly didn't say that TIP was the only party to consider. I asked that people reading the nasty posts here should make an informed decision before jumping on any bandwagon. I also said nothing about mailings or money. I never said BFP said anything negative or promoted negativity, but that the negativity stems from this blog. The negativity is clearly evident from the Admin. poster just before. I guess those are the people in charge which is why so many false reports stay on here. I have no problem with anyone else running but just like to keep reminding everyone that we do hold elections here and TIP has obv. done a great job or they wouldn't keep voting them in (and yes there have been other elections when people have ran against them).
Also, I post anon. bc it is clear that anyone who supports the current admin. runs the risk of being labeled especially since I have children who are in school. I can't tell you how many times I've been approached regarding not only the cell towers, but the current admin. as well. When I say I have no problem with the current admin., you should see the look I get. The smoke and fire comment is interesting. Perhaps our court system motto should be changed to "Guilty until proven innocent". Rumors are just that: rumors. Don't post a rumor unless you can verify that it is true. As far as MAH is concerned, it was brought up in an earlier post to check exactly who was registered bc it was stated that there are 2 other MA's that live in Bayville. So again, another unfounded accusation that no one can confirm. You said yourself, you didn't see the election books, but just take the post accusing her of such as gospel.
And Jenna's post - that's the negativity and cattiness that I'm talking about. This blog is filled with posts like that. Those are the ones that should be deleted too as they clearly serve no purpose.I think that's enough said about that one.
As for Cathy and Larry, as I said, I'm not bashing the other party, merely showing the support for the party I choose as so many others have done here.
I hope that this clarifies a few things.
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It must be TIP criteria, "word manipulation"
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Verbatim from the last TIP party letter from Mayor Siegel:
"Today we are faced with "Family Party" Trustee Candidates who are running only to represent their own "special interest group family". It is reprehensible that individuals who would run for office are not truthful about their motivations. When individuals try to sneak into government to raise taxes for their own secret concerns, Bayville voters will rebuff this outrageous atempt."
Taken from the last Tip newsletter/mailing.
1) What has BFP done that is reprehensible?
2) If this is such a secret that could be dangerous to Bayville, why didn't the Mayor spill the beans and tell us all what the secret agenda is?
3)Since when is running for office which is eceryone's right as Americnas, be considered "sneaking into government"?
It is clear the TIP party has a core group that believes all of their fabrications and propaganda. They write these letters directly to that audience.
It is time for everyone who does not believe this to stand up and GET TO THE POLLS! Make a difference on June 17h Vote Trama and Russo
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I guess "sneak into goverment" is a code word for "elected into office", I wonder how mayor S is going to feel when the BFP wins on Tuesday..Happy Fathers day to Mike and Joe
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I trotted up and I have seen the election books and she is on them as per the last election. You too can go to Village Hall or the Nassau County Board of Elections and look it up.
Do you think it is fair and impartial that she is our election supervisor with her boss (the Mayor) and father being the head of the TIP party and running the campaign? Her mother is now working in the office as well. 2/3's of the Alfano family are supported by jobs this Village gives them.
How is that not a conflit of interest?
By the way I have nothing against he job that Maria does on a daily basis, she is efficient and hardworking.
Enough is enough:
Can you explain how the election is making an uncomfortable environment in the schools and around social circles? Is it because people you know are not voting your way? We are all adults and what we do in the booth is our own perogative.
If you do not have enough tenacity to stand behind your beliefs in a public manner then do not tell anyone who you support. Nobady has to know who you vote for, there is a curtain!
Is'nt there an old saying about the best way to offend someone is to talk about politics?
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so if i understand this and extrapilate a teeny bit from reading Candidate Russo's bio, the mayor appointed someone to the architecural review board who she now feels is someone who is reprehensible etc??? hmmmmm.
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Enough is Enough......
I think it's laughable that this election is making you uncomfortable at school or with friends. If you are that unsure of your standing among your friends and at your kids schools that this election is upsetting your relationships, then you need to either find better friends or get some therapy to deal with your own insecurities.
East Ender, very interesting extrapolation about the Mayors current relationship to Mr. Russo.
Anonymous, that is some scary information about the Alfano family being tied so closely to the village gov't. talk about a 'special interest family only out for their own interests'
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Anyone but TIP -
I never said the people at school were my friends. My children are still pretty young so some of these people I'm meeting for the first time. I'm just saying that some of the propaganda spread on this blog has caused hysteria in parents who send their kids to BP. When I say I'm not overly concerned over the cell towers it's like I'm a bad parent. I am def. not insecure, but thank you for your concern and recommendation of therapy.
As for the A. family and their ties to the Village, again, no one who has seen the election roll has said that the name on their is MAH. So, that is, again, an unfounded accusation. As for the father, he is in charge of the museum, which has ALWAYS been a post appointed by whoever is the mayor. When Vicky wasn't the mayor in the past, someone else was in charge. MAH's job is one that changes with eash administration and has ALWAYS been so. It's one of the few non-union jobs at the Village. Is having a mother and daughter working in the same location illegal in some way? Are any of these employees doing a bad job? You keep throwing around the names of good people and accusing them of nonsense that is unfounded.
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seems like term limits may be appropriate for Bayville, that would at least curtail the familiarity bred from so many years of the same leadership. I do not have children and I feel strongly that the Villages should have NEVER permitted any of the cell antenna on the water tower, if they had to then deal with alternate locations, then so be it as long as THAT were dealt with properly. From the looks of it they would have screwed that up and blamed that on "attorneys" advice as well
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http://bayvillefamilyparty.com/
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Wanna know what's "reprehensible"? A bold faced lie on the BFP website, the party's ONLY communication of its "ideas" to all Bayville residents (who use a computer).
>>>>>>>>>The Bayville Family Party Trustee Candidates had invited the Taxpayer Party Trustee Candidates to an event hosted by the League of Women Voters.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
LIE.
The event was HOSTED by the BFP, NOT the League of Women Voters.
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Yes, the league of women voters were most definitely going to be there but the TIP party declined to go. So obviously there was no need for the women voters to attend. Duh!
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AnyonebutTIP -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anonymous, that is some scary information about the Alfano family being tied so closely to the village gov't. talk about a 'special interest family only out for their own interests'>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Boo! Wowee, that sure is scary. Let's see, Tom worked for free for many years as the co-Director of the museum with Gladys Mack and took over for a whopping salary of $5,000 a year after she left. Maria's mother was volunteering in Village Hall and temporarily took over Margaret W's position while she is out on sick leave. As for MAH - why don't you check with the Nassau County Board of Elections as to her voting record, you will see she has always voted in Glen Cove, never in Bayville. Her name may actually be on the election register for Bayville, as are the names of many dead people. Are dead people voting for TIP too? Oooooooo, now THAT's scary!
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RE: Bayville Elections - I've just read the article in this weeks Leader regarding the upcoming elections. This is a must read so hear we go. The Taxpayers Party have a plan already set in motion and ready to go. Each brings something unique to the table. I feel they are 3 intelligent individuals that know what they want and how to get the job done. Then came the Bayville Family Party. I'll start with Mr. Trama. All he is concerned with is the Cell Tower. The Village has done extensive studies and has informed the residents there is no harm. On various ocassions I've stopped at the Village Hall and the employees all look healthy to me and they have worked right under the tower for several years. Next, Mr. Trama, are you sure you grew up in Bayville. There have been booklets regarding emergencies and preparedness distributed in the mail from the Village and Town of Oyster Bay. Perhaps your mailman missed your house. Were you not here during the 1992 disaster. This Village is well equipped and has kept the residents informed. Also, our Legislator Diane Yatauro has Annual Disaster Preparedness meetings. This coming Thursday, June 19th at 7:00pm will be her 2nd or 3rd meeting held in Bayville. Stop by at the Bayville Intermediate School. I'm sure she can answer any questions or concerns you may have, and don't forget to pick up your booklet. As I turned to page 18, I nearly choked on my glass of ice tea after reading what Mr. Russo had to say. YOU MUST BE JOKING! I quote you "We should enhance our programs for children OVER AGE 12. Did you not see the Memorial Day Parade. Oh wait! You were too busy throwing fortune cookies at peoples faces, you missed it all. They had all the children from a variety of programs this town offers marching. It was beautiful to see all the kids smiling and having a great time. No other Incorporated Village has as many terrific programs as we have. As far as, 12 year olds, are you telling the residents of Bayville to vote for you so we can entertain your 12 year old. If you need a babysitter go to the food basket and look on exit wall, babysitters are always looking for a job. At the age of 12 the middle/high school offers many sporting activities and after school programs. Check it out! You're right about the Bayville Community Center it was open to kids. It was also closed because some kids destroyed the inside. The basketball courts are open 7 days a week and I see lots of kids playing and having fun. From what I have read in the Leader the BFP has 2 issues the cell tower and babysitting 12 year olds. Next, I was shocked to read that the Bayville Deli in the Village had a Meet& Greet. Businesses should never get involved with politics! Now that I know the Bayville Deli is supporting the BFP I'll have to take my business else where. Change is sometimes good but not these 2. BE SMART! Please go out and vote for the Taxpayers Party on Tuesday - they are the best candidates for our town. J. Paterson
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You are so wrong & i laughed at everything you wrote. Be ready to eat your words. HEHEHEHEHEEE
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You are so wrong & i laughed at everything you wrote. Be ready to eat your words. HEHEHEHEHEEE
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FOR YOUR FYI MR. TRAMA WAS ONE OF THE FIRST RESPONDERS IN THE 1992 FLOOD. HE SERVED 13 YEARS AS A BAYVILLE FIREFIGHTER. HE HAS LIVED IN BAYVILLE ALL HIS LIFE. AS FOR THE OLDER CHILDREN -- HAVE YOU PAST OUR BEAUTIFUL COMMONS AND SEEN ALL THE 12 AND OLDER KIDS HANGING OUT TO ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT DOING NOTHING BUT GETTING INTO TROUBLE. HAVE YOU WITNESS GRAFITTI BEING DONE??? I HAVE! PERHAPS USING THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO PROMOTE TEEN NIGHT AND OTHER YOUTH PROGRAMS WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. YOUR OUT OF LINE WITH YOUR COMMENTS .. YOU SHOULD REALLY GRAB A COPY OF THE GUARDIAN FOR MORE READING!
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Jim
I feel compelled to respond to your comments.
First let me point out I did not see the Memorial Day Parade, for the last several years I have proudly marched.
Second it will be several years before my son is 12 and I do not need baby sitter, but thank you for the information.
Third as for the Bayville Community Center are you saying that "some kids" effectively closed the Community Center to the majority of our youth? Why not find a better solution so the majority can once again enjoy the place?
Fourth and finally The Locust Valley Leader article did not touch upon all of our issues, www.bayvillefamilyparty.com, however covers them.
Joe Russo
russo@bayvillefamilyparty.com
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Hey, I have some questions..... Who is the President of the BFP? Who are the BFP's officers? Why aren't there any phone numbers on the BFP's website? Do they hold meetings? Why did they take down their explanation of their position on the cell tower to put up a lie?
Maybe the mad cupcake has an answer for me.
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Lisa,
You must be getting something from the Mayor and the TIP party.
You cannot be the same Lisa who so vehemently fought against the conspiracies and the fraud you claimed the BOE has committed?
If you were the same one you would surely see through the 3rd grade bullying, fear mongering and propaganda being put out by the TIP.
You pull apart words. The League of Womens Voters represented the BOE debate, so they would have been good enough for this.
Bottom line the TIP party would not have allowed the meet and greet to occur, because the candidates are NOT ALLOWED to speak for themselves.
Each Candidate gave a different reason for not attending in the GUardian and that reason was different from the letter the BFP received.
If it were the family members of board members receiving work you would be calling foul.
Your hypocrisy is so clear.
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Fran,
Oh yes, I am the same Lisa. I check the facts and I can tell you exactly who is fear-mongering and spreading nasty rumors, whether it is in LVCSD or Village elections. I support the truth. When the documentation matches up to what the candidates are saying, then I know who is telling the truth and who is lying. I detest liars. So, for you to call me a hypocrite because in one election, I didn't support the status quo and in another election I do, is a specious argument. My position is never about who has been here a long time or who is for change, it's about who has been honest and done right by the people who voted for them and who they have sworn to represent.
>>>>>>>>>You pull apart words. The League of Womens Voters represented the BOE debate, so they would have been good enough for this.>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You are not grasping the concept. For the BoE Meet, it was HOSTED by the Coordinated Parents Council. The LoWV moderated it. IF the BFP meet and greet had come to be, it would have been HOSTED by the BFP. It would have immediately been biased based on that fact, whether or not the LoWV was asked to moderate. The candidates for the BoE were not asked to contribute to the LoWV's fee. It was paid for by CPC, a non-partisan group. BFP is NOT a non-partisan group. The Chamber would have been. The Rotary would have been. Please don't accuse me of pulling words apart. The BFP posted on their website that TIP was invited to an "event HOSTED by the League of Women Voters". If the BFP is incapable of admitting actual "construct" of the meet and greet, what sort of dishonesty can we expect from these people if they get elected? This is not mincing words, this is a blatant misrepresentation of the facts on the BFP's ONLY limited attempt at written communication with Bayville residents. How can we expect "better" communication from people who pulled their only "explained" position from their website and who can't be bothered sending out a mailing to ALL registered voters in Bayville, not just those with computers? Who is the BFP's webmaster/site administrator?
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The BFP site is a simple start up site (not like this site) and the administrators are the candidates themselves.
I just got a postcard with an address for the BFP and a direct email address to the candidates as well as the website address.
Anyone with half a brain can recognize that this party is new and that the leaders are the candidates themselves.
The TIP party should know the drill. They should post their information for the public to know. No one knows who their leaders are, the one leader whose name was posted on this site had the name taken down.
They have no phone number,
no return address on their mailings, no email or website or contact person. Their writings are written in the third person and not the words of the candidates.
Mayor Siegel is not allowed to discuss campaign issues from Village Hall so calling there is not getting people any answers.
Money is an issue in running any campaign and the BFP has done a very good job in getting their message out to the public within their budget. With a mailing (received today) and the local papers, their website, the Meet and Greets and the Meet the Candidate night, the BFP has been clear and consistant with their message and it has always been in their own words.
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Lisa
The BFP never pulled the Cell Tower information off their Web Site. If you run your mouse over the "Bayville Family Party" words above the Flag you will see links to several pages, all that was changed was the information on the Home Page.
Additionally I suggest you check your mail box as we did send out a mailing.
Pursuant to your question, I, Joe Russo administer the Web Site. In order to clarify the Meet and Greet information posted I have changed the word Hosted to Moderated.
Why are you so concerned over the semantics of hosted versus moderated? If the TIP had come to the Event it would have been Jointly Hosted, The League of Women Voters would have been the non-biased moderators and the residents would have had the opportunity to ask their questions equally of all Candidates. How much more American could it get?
What I fail to understand is all this hatred. America's freedom of speech was enshrined in the First Amendment to the US Constitution for the Free Expression of Ideas.
Joe Russo
628-3499
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Here is the Cell Tower Link
http://www.bayvillefamilyparty.com/bayvillefamilyparty/celltower.html
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Mr.Russo, A few nights ago I e-mailed you a simple question of whether or not in light of "THE DEED" posting and the obvious violations of the antennas being on the water tower, would BFP be willing to propose something for the removal of said antennas I have'nt recieved any answer yet.How should I interpret this? thank you happy fathers day to all dads km
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KM,
Thank you for pointing that out. I went back reviewed the emails and realized I did not reply to your email. I just answered your email and I hope the information was helpful.
Joe Russo
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For everyone to read - Oyster Bay Guardian Article subject.
http://www.bayvillefamilyparty.com/bayvillefamilyparty/oysterbayguardian61308.html
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There is one correction to the article, The 7 minute Village Board Meeting was December 2007 not January 2008 as reported.
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Lisa,
Can you tell me where and when you read or heard directly from the candidates of the BFP that they denied saying they invited the TIP party to the Meet the CAndidates night?
Also, the hosting issues is a ploy on your part to try to twist a good idea of a Meet the Candidate night into something sinister and wrong.
The LoWV was going to moderate the evening with the same guidelines as your Meet the Candidate night.
For those who do not know, only questions that are directed to all candidates would be allowed to be asked and no individual questions for individuals would be allowed.
How would that be biased? All 4 new candidates would be on the same playing field and Doug would have had the upper hand as the incumbent.
Your argument is lame and clearly a ploy to distract readers from the fact that the TIP party gave a bogus excuse for not attending the MTC.
It made them look very bad.
The public is truly the only ones who lost here.
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LORAC -
Perhaps you don't remember when the community center was opened for teens. No one came. As far as the kids hanging out all hours of the night I hardly think that's the Village's problem. Perhaps we should look to their parents for that one. I grew up here and never had to have a community center to hang out in. Again, I had great parents and great friends so there was no need to cause destruction.
Hosting teens at the center creates a variety of problems. Who will supervise them? Do you want other kids from out of town to be permitted in? Do you have to check an ID of some sort to guarantee that they are from Bayville? Do you need to have emergency numbers for all of those who plan on attending? Who would you like to supervise them? Do you want certified teachers to be there because they have been fingerprinted by the state? How many supervisors would you need? I mean, if one night you have 10 kids and one night you have 50, would you use the same number of chaperones? Maybe you have not recently come in contact with that age group, but there is a good chance that some of them may come under the influence of something. How do you propose the Village handle that? What about inappropriate behavior? How would that be handled? What about destruction of property? What if someone gets injured on the property and sues?
I think issues like providing entertainment for that age group should best be left to the parents. It could open Pandora's box for the Village. The youth of today are quite different than the youth of the past.
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"for those actually reading with an open mind" I GUESS YOUR MIND IS MADE UP IF SOMETHING FAILS LETS NOT FIGURE OUT WHY LETS JUST GIVE UP.. ITS SAD THAT AS A PARENT YOU DON'T WANT MORE FOR YOUR KIDS AND THE KIDS IN THE COMMUNITY.. I HAVE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE AS WELL TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND FOR THAT WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES.. " I urge those who are reading this blog to not get sucked into the madness and hatred" IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE...
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I sincerely hope that the new candidates do not take such negativity to heart, this seems to be just a few hateful people who seem to be against anyone who might decide to run for trustee against the TIP party. Two of TIP party candidates seek to be new trustees as well - I'm sure if they were running on their own they would be crucified as well...Folks are acting as if its a crime to even run for the position, that is a shame. Bravo to all the candidates. Based on the mailers, web info and local articles , my vote will be with Trama and Russo. I will not vote for the 3rd position. Russo gets extra points for participating in this blog. The TIP Party loses points for its negative campaign strategy of attacking the BFP rather than simply informing me of their intentions, The trustee candidates lost points for not speaking for themselves, quite frankly I do not believe that not one of the candidates could have set aside just an hour or so on either date. If that was indeed the case perhaps they should have suggested an alternative that Mayor Siegel may have found more acceptable. TRAMA & RUSSO!
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Enough is Enough,
Just because youth programs have failed in the past does not mean they can not be revitalized if properly organized. Someone I know runs a very small community youth center which caters ONLY to 12 and above, and they seem to have worked out the glitches... it just takes someone willing to actually work at it. Why so much nagativity just because YOU don't have a vision for how it could work?
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I'm not saying to give up. I also have not attacked the BFP or even made mention of TIP so to make the assumption that I'm attacking a new party just because they are running is ridiculous. I'm reading what is mentioned here and commenting on it. I'm asking if all things were considered. Sure, it sounds like a great idea to have a community center for kids, but not one person who responded to my post answered any of the questions I posed there. What you call negative, I call realistic. There are many things in this community for kids to do (all ages). I just think what sounds like a good idea isn't always a good idea. I'm all for keeping kids involved and occupied with good things. And have any of you had dealings with adolescents recently? They are not quite as innocent as they used to be.
Again, I have attacked no one. I didn't even mention the BFP in my original post. You all get right on the defensive and throw insults around. You re-use and twist my words out of spite and hatred. You even insult my parenting. This is what I'm talking about. I posed real problems with opening the community center to kids and no one responded with any type of solution. I'm just trying to show that something like this sounds great as a political platform, but when it comes time to make it happen, it may be a bit difficult.
How would you go about running a community center? Do you have any productive ideas? Any suggestions?
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SPIT AND HATRED?? I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF I KNOW YOU.. ITS NOT MY JOB TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT WILL RUN .. DO I HAVE IDEAS YES -- DO I NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW NO.. MAYBE AFTER TUESDAY.. LIKE ANY NEW BUSINESS YOU NEED TO RESEARCH IT -- IM SURE ITS BEEN DONE IN OTHER TOWNS AND VILLAGES AND PROBABLY WORKS -- YES THE KIDS OF TODAY ARE DIFFERENT BUT IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD WORK MAYBE THAT COULD CHANGE THE LIVES OF SOME.. YOUR KIDS ARE LUCKY THAT YOU ARE SO INVOLVED BUT THERE ARE KIDS OUT THERE THAT DON'T HAVE THAT.. "It could open Pandora's box for the Village" LET'S OPEN IT ITS WORTH A TRY THAT'S ALL IM SAYING..
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Mr. Russo:
I had viewed your webpage before and if memory serves, (although I look at many webpages), there was a visible link to the BFP's position on the cell tower. I did not think to wave my cursor over the flag as the name of The Bayville Family Party does not appear to be a link. You do however, admit that it has changed. Websites can change often. Written mailed material cannot change once it is in someone's mailbox.
The only mailing I received from the BFP was a postcard with your website and e-mail address. Now I know that you WISH I didn't use a computer, but what good would that mailing have been to me if I didn't? What did that tell me about the BFP? Absolutely nothing.
You are to be commended for changing the word hosted to moderated, yet you still seem unable to differentiate why it is principle and not semantics. You, as a partisan group, made the invitation to TIP conditional by pre-obligating them to pay for the LoWV. Your conditions, your choice of location, your timeframe. You are the challengers. You have every right to challenge, however you do not have the right to set pre-conditions for a debate with the incumbent. TIP politely declined. Accept the declination and get on with the campaign.
I am a strong supporter of the First Amendment. I do not hate you. I do not know you. All I know is what you have posted to or removed from your website and the disgusting hatred, lies and rumors that have been spewed on this blog against TIP by many of your supporters. You have not publicly denounced any ONE of the hateful things that have been said on here by your supporters. To me, this indicates tacit support for their venom. However, there's still two days before election day. You could take this opportunity to pick and choose which nasty fabrications you are at odds with, and publicly state them here.
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Ms. McLoughlin
Web Sites do change that is their attraction. An easy solution for keeping a permanent record would be to print the page. A copy of the printed page would then be indentical to a mailing; written words that can not be undone.
As for the Meet the Candidates, we have moved on, however since you continue address the literal wording (principle or semantics) of the letter maybe you can explain why TIP presented no alternatives or even responded to our second letter. The individual candidate’s reasons for not attending as quoted in the Oyster Bay Guardian’s article do not seem to match up with the response provided by the President of TIP. By the way isn’t there only one incumbent trustee so I am not sure I understand why you classify us as challengers, are not the four new comers running on equal footing for the three trustee positions?
Lastly, I laud your continued participation on this blog despite the numerous personal attacks and after spending weeks on this campaign obviously you can imagine how we feel.
To all the BFP Supporters we appreciate your support and implore upon everyone friend and foe on this blog to be respectful of others. The time has come for everyone to bring civility back, it can start here and with any hope it can resonate through the Village first and onward throughout the country and finally across the world. There are too many problems in the world and here in Bayville for us to be fighting neighbor against neighbor, disagreeing yes fighting no. As quoted on this very blog "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~ Margaret Mead, should be Bayville and every family’s rallying point. Let’s start with civility towards one another and remember that in the voting booth on Tuesday.
Goodnight
Joe Russo
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Thank you for posting the link to the Guardian article. I had not yet seen it.
Lisa, same old tricks. when you can't find something real to pin on someone or something, you get all enraged and righteous about semantics. your vitriol in the last two days makes it SO clear that Vicki has called out the dogs to smear the opposition.
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Good morning Mr. Russo,
Thank you for your reply, and a happy Father’s Day to all the fathers out there. As an anthropologist, I’m sure Margaret Mead would agree that in our patriarchal society, fathers bear an important responsibility when it comes to providing stability to the family and as examples for their children to look up to. I commend your effort to encourage civil discourse on this blog and within the Bayville community. I do wish you had stepped into the conversation earlier in the campaign. I also applaud any individual who has the courage to stand behind their convictions and expose themselves to public criticism in a bid to serve their community. I am of the opinion that polite society in general has devolved significantly since the invention of the Internet. The ability for people to hide behind pseudonyms and write whatever nasty thought pops into their head, instantly see it appear in print, and never have to fess up face to face in person to the individual they have decided to attack, has created a hostile, non-productive undercurrent to local elections and issues which did not exist 20 years ago. Not wishing to be hostile or non-productive, I choose to sign my name to my posts and am glad to see you have chosen to do the same.
That said, as Americans we are blessed with the right to hold different opinions on issues and the freedom to express them. Issues which directly affect our children such as education and the community we have chosen to raise them in, evoke strong emotions and passion. As it becomes more and more difficult to provide for families in this economy, fear sometimes overtakes logic and reason and often drives individuals to support certain causes or lobby for changes which they hope will ultimately help them alleviate their fears. It is important to recognize that we all have different fears and priorities and no one group or party can possibly please everybody or agree on every issue.
You state that the “attraction” of websites is their ability to change. While that is true when it comes to updating information such as dates of meetings and events, I view the ability to make statements or information “disappear” an effective means of obfuscating issues and being able to say, “Well, I don’t feel that way now” or “that is no longer our position“. Absent a printed hard copy of the webpage as it existed in its previous incarnation, groups or individuals can deny that it ever existed. I learned this early on in the game with my research on IBO. Whenever I come across something controversial or disputable on IBO’s website, I immediately print out a hard copy because as soon as I voice an opinion on the content, it “mysteriously” gets buried somewhere else within the website or reworded. So what you see as an attraction, I see as deceptive. You did not address my concern that you have only reached out to those residents who use the computer. I consider my right to vote a privilege, as do many of our more senio
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... senior residents who never found the need to spend the money on a computer or invest the time to learn how to use one. Their votes and opinions count too. The same goes for people like my husband, a hard working man who doesn’t use the computer, but who hears plenty from his friends about, “Oh boy, I read what your wife wrote on the Bayville blog! Yeeha!” The BFP has chosen to ignore that portion of the Bayville population by relying on the computer as your sole source of sharing your ideas.
I do not care to comment on if or why the responses of the TIP candidates in the Guardian were or were not different from what you received in a written reply. I have not seen either the letter to compare to the Guardian article and personally think this point is irrelevant to the election at hand. I hope there is a strong turnout on Tuesday, and may the best candidates win.
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LORAC...In case you don't know, typing in all capitals is the internet equivalent to screaming.
Enough is Enough:
I'm 36, don't know how old you are. but teens these days don't seem to be too different than when i was a teenager.
yes there are challenges to putting together a program for that age range, but there are resources available in the village, should the willingness to plan an event come about.
It seems to me, my opinion only, that if the Village wants something to happen, it tends to get done.
Example One: the village started the green market and got volunteers and new vendors via their newsletter, word of mouth and this blog, the same could be done for a teen night at the youth center. surely there are insurance issues involved in a gov't body selling food to it's residents...like what if a batch of lettuce or tomatoes were infected with salmonella, would the village be liable? surely they've got some kind of indemnity rider for the market.
Example two: A few years back (December of 2004) my friends and i worked on behalf of Mayor Siegal to organize what had been the Annual Village Holiday party at the St. Gerts gym. we used village funds that were available to use for parties of that nature. we also got a FULL buffet meal donated by local restaurants literally salad to dessert. it was a great night, by all accounts. we made beautiful signs and put them up all over town to advertise, craft stations were set up for smaller kids that were 'manned' by HS students, Santa came, a choir came, everyone ate.
Example three: the day of the young child, each spring on the village green. Bouncey things, face painting, ice cream and treats all there. (they should have a rain date plan or hold it inside at St. gerts, in my opinion, but that's trivial) somehow the village works around the insurance risks of numerous children under five bouncing around on things, having potentially allergenic makeup and tattoos applied to their skin, eating things they might choke on, etc.
so there you have it, three community/civic events that are not easy to coordinate and not without risk but that add to the quality of life in our village and are done for the betterment of life here in Bayville. To me, that says that there could be a youth night or youth events held for the older kids, if the willingness is there.
There has been a skate park 'promised' for years, with nothing come to fruition. The village has the ice rink, why can't it be opened on select evenings for use with inline skates?
that is all.
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Edie -
As someone who works in an educational field, I can say with no hesitation that kids today are VERY different, even from when I was in school (and I'm not too far away from you). You have a great majority of students experimenting with not only alcohol, but drugs as well at a very young age. You also have kids becoming sexual active at a much younger age as well. I'm talking 6th and 7th grade. If you don't believe me, find a parent with a student in the MS and ask what rainbow parties are and who was hosting them and sending out invites.
I agree with you that things like the Green Market, Holiday Party and Day of the Child are not easy things to coordinate. Any event requires a lot of planning. All of those events have parents staying with their children to supervise them, not dropping them off and leaving. And for two of those events geared towards children, you'd be dealing with the younger ones.
I just don't think you're understanding the point of dealing with adolescents and how difficult it could be. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it is difficult. There are a lot more risks involved at that age than there are when you are dealing with 2-8 year olds. Ask any teacher in MS or even HS what coordinating a dance is like and what you have to worry about (checking bags for alcohol, having only one exit to avoid kids sneaking out to cause mischief, bathroom 2 at a time, supervising pick ups, allergies, fights, accusations of sexual harrassment....it's a lot).
I do have a question for you Edie....why did you stop coordinating the Holiday party with your friends? I was there that year and it was very good. If it was such a success, why did you stop it?
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I am a certified teacher for secondary ed, with a masters in teaching. I am aware of all the challenges of working with that age range.
Culturally, every generation of adults going back years and years thinks that the current crop of adolescents is worse/crazier/more risk taking than they were. ie, adults in the 50's being horrified at Elvis Presley gyrating on the Ed Sullivan show, to name one cultural example. I can provide more historical examples if you'd like, going back to the 20's when the 'Flappers' horrified their elders with short hair, short dresses and bathtub gin.
if you think that when you were in HS and MS there were not groups of students who were experimenting with sex and drugs, all i can say to that is you were just not aware of it going on.
as far as the holiday party goes, we all offered to volunteer our time to do it again and we were not taken up on our offer. I don't know why it hasn't happened again since then.
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i would like if the village admin. would explore the different programs for teens out there. Just because programs failed 15 years ago, does't mean we should give up. We have plenty of smart and dedicated parents in this town. I believe the BFP want to explore the opportunities, and have a fair chance to present their case. We should not be so narrow minded. Happy fathers day to all, carl east end
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For those that may be interested, here is a link to today's Newsday Article on the Bayville Election.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longislandlife/ny-lftoyst155725038jun15,0,7875998.story?page=2
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Thank you for your reply Edie. I was not aware that you are teaching as well. I'd like to know where you teach bc I'm just surprised at the casual manner in which you reply to the problems we face at teachers in public schools. I have been teaching in public schools for more than 12 years and have worked in 4 different schools during my career. What surprises me is that so many of my colleagues lament over the downward spiral of the youth today. It's not as simple as the dress of the youth today or the dancing, but drug use and promiscuity. And I didn't lead a sheltered life by any means during my run in HS, but even the "good" kids today are experimenting with drugs and having multiple sex partners by the 9th grade. And parents are getting worse as well by constantly making excuses for their kids. Few kids are held accountable for their actions bc they know that mom and dad will bail them out. I know that this isn't the forum to discuss school related issues, but these are issues that would carry over into opening a rec center for kids. And BTW, the same kids and parents who would want to be involved are not the ones hanging out in the Village at midnight or putting grafitti all over town.
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Question for the BFP:
Thank you for linking the Newsday article. It would appear that one of your primary concerns is to make Village agendas for board/committee meetings available online. How do you reconcile your intense concern in this area when it comes to Village agendas, yet express no outrage that the LVCSD, 3 days AFTER a BoE meeting, has still not posted the agenda for the 6/12 meeting online?
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/page.cfm?p=20
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I am not currently teaching, I am raising my two young children.
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Question for Lisa M:
I know you haven't had a chance to reconcile your unfortunate loss during the LVCSD BOE vote but this thread is titled "Bayville Election June 17th 2008" - kindly stay on topic.
JJ
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Enough is enough - do you have the address for the "rainbow parties"? Or who was hosting them and sending out invites? Will they be held at the community center - I LOVE RAINBOWS!!!!!
TTFN
HappyTeen
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JJ:
Are you answering for the BFP? The Newsday article stated the following:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both candidates said they would like to make agendas available online before the village board meetings so that residents know what business the board will be conducting.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
My Village taxes are about 1/5 of what my School taxes are. Seeing as how this was the only real "topic" mentioned by the BFP in Newsday, I am curious as to whether or not their position extends to the school district as well. The anti-cell tower people felt it was their right to involve the school board on their issue, I would like to know if the BFP has an interest in asserting that sort of position on the school district as well as the Village, if elected. Because...... you ready? I AGREE that agendas should be available online for public review PRIOR to a Board meeting, be it Village or school district. There is one big difference though - the SD has wonderful and well paid full-time Technology Director. The Village does not.
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JJ is not known to the BFP, but his or her support is welcomed and appreciated. Thanks
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So much for the BFP's version of open and transparent government! Thank you BFP. Your agenda is a "secret" no more. Too bad you don't have the guts to stand up and say the only reason you are running is to oppose the cell tower. I would have more respect for you, if you did.
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Ms. McLoughlin
Currently as you know I am running for Village Trustee. After the election, as a LVCSD resident, I would welcome the opportunity to work with you to have the School District post the Board’s Agenda and Minutes on their Website. I believe that in the Information Age it should be a requirement!
Now I have to return to the final hours of this campaign. Thank you for the lively flow of information.
I would like to point out that you are completely unfounded in your statement “So much for the BFP's version of open and transparent government! Thank you BFP. Your agenda is a "secret" no more. Too bad you don't have the guts to stand up and say the only reason you are running is to oppose the cell tower. I would have more respect for you, if you did.” This is not the positive tone we were trying to establish.
There is no secret.
Our plan for Bayville as Trustees and the reasons we are running have been addressed in various Press Interviews, walking around the Village, prominently placing ourselves in the Village to meet with residents and discuss issues of interest to everyone. The 10 key items are listed on our Website as well. I am sure others can twist and turn the words but the fact remains that we know the truth in our hearts why we are running and I can honestly tell you that the Cell Tower issue is not as you say “the only reason you are running” Is it important absolutely as are all the other issues.
Joe Russo
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Trama and Russo have good ideas and seem very reasonable. They have even participated in this "into the frying pan" blog, not something TIP party has ever had the courage to do. Best of luck!!
Lisa, You never answered the question about when you are moving?
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Lisa:
When you say
"Too bad you don't have the guts to stand up and say the only reason you are running is to oppose the cell tower"
When you say "YOU" who are you referring to..Please tell.
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Lisa M:
Regarding your question: "Are you answering for the BFP?"
I wasn't "answering" for anyone. If you re-read my post all I was doing was requesting you stay on topic.
However, it seems that simple request fell on deaf ears as you continued down the BOE discussion path. Oh well.
Regarding the election: I am not a member of either party running in this years election. I WILL vote for those I think bring the best skills and energies to the community.
JJ
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Lisa,
Now that you disclosed the Big Secret that the BFP has... What is the big deal if 1 of their top agenda's is to take down the cell tower antenas? It can only help not hurt anyone.
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Dear Enough is Enough, Nobody should have unfounded hysterical fears about anything. If you want solid scienfific reasons why the cell tower should by moved away from your children, please call me at 628-3997, and I will give you the information you need to fully understand the issue. Sincerely, Jo-Tina DiGennaro
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Jenna:
>>>>>>>>>>>Jenna wrote:
Lisa,
Now that you disclosed the Big Secret that the BFP has... What is the big deal if 1 of their top agenda's is to take down the cell tower antenas? It can only help not hurt anyone.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thank you for confirming the BFP's true agenda. Their agenda is in conflict with Federal Law, specifically the Federal Telecommunications Act of 1996. It is in conflict with the NCPD's emergency antenna system and it is in conflict with the rights of every cell phone user in Bayville who doesn't share the fears of BRACT.
Bottom line - pro communications, responsibility, emergency response, compliance with Federal regulations - VOTE TIP
anti-communication, anti-Federal govt. regulations, anti-science, anti-Bayville cell phone users - VOTE BFP
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east ender;
>>>>>>>>>>Lisa, You never answered the question about when you are moving?>>>>>>>>>>
If it means that much to you, make it worth my while and I'll move in 60 days. $1.8M. FIRM. Just think, you could get me out of town and artificially drive up the property value of all of my neighbors! You'll be a hero!
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I find it funny that our BOE would want to be involved in anything to do with communication, cell towers or providing education information. They have failed drastically in communicating to the parents regarding educational information and their stand on the cell towers.
Maybe the incoming trustees can communicate with the BOE and the teachers union on how concerned the community is regarding the cell towers. The parents point of view regarding this issue is falling on deaf ears. Maybe the current PTA president should help out too!
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Okay, let's stop with the "sticks and stones". Regardless of who is elected tomorrow, most of us, on this blog, will agree that the communication has to get better in this village. Also with the "newly elected" trustees, maybe they can look into a "teen" program. A "guitar hero" night/tournament, might be a good starting point.
Every vote counts - get out and vote.
Good luck to all the candidates.
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Clearly i have not heard 1 thing from the mouths of the tax payers party. Who even knows if they are the one's who wrote on the multiple letters that was sent out to us residents. I was hoping they were going to also hold a meet and greet.
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Thank you Jo-Tina for the reply. I will tell you that I have read information on both sides of the issue. I personally feel that based on what I have read that the cell towers are not harming our children in any way. I have yet to see BRACT respond to some of the informative posts left by others who have challenged BRACT's stand with their own research. I am much more concerned with the pesticides being used on lawns that cause cancer and run into our ground water. No one seems overly concerned with that and more than half the people in Bayville have landscapers that treat their lawns with these chemicals.
I have to say that I'm a little disappointed with the BFP's response to JJ. Clearly they are bullies just like so many on this blog. Nice job guys.
To PTA parent: How many community members do you think are so concerned with the cell towers? When the petition was presented at the Village meeting there were just over 200 signatures on that petition. There are over 8000 people in Bayville. That's not a great showing of concern.
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Please Read our Election Day Message and Please VOTE
http://www.bayvillefamilyparty.com/bayvillefamilyparty/electiondaymessage.html
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Enough is Enough, I am trying to make sense of your post regarding the BFP's response to JJ. I scrolled back and only found that they said they do not know who JJ is, but welcome JJ's support. How is that bullying? Did I miss an entry? Please let me know.
As far as the pesticides, I agree. The Village promotes green lawns with different programs they have held over the years. However, the government says the pesticides are safe, oh just like they say the cell towers are safe. SO what is the difference? Is it that MAyor Siegel and the ATIp party says go green with your lawn , so that is why you support that, but when they say the cells are safe and have to stay up there then you listen to that?
Either way both are harmful, both are not illiegal and both are deemed safe by the Federal Government.
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enough is enough,
this thought occurred to me after i replied to your question about where i work.
you are not even woman enough to put your name on all of your posts, but you have the nerve to ask someone else to tell you their place of employment?
is that what you are teaching kids in one of the four districts you've run through in your career, not to stand up for what they believe in? to hide behind a pseudynom on a community message board? despicable.
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Trama and Russo. Change that works for you.
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Thank you Edie. Your true colors are shining through. I clearly can tell what kind of person you are by your post. I meant no harm in asking where you taught and as a matter of fact I just said that I "would like to know". You could have chosen not to reply at all. I would have posed a direct question followed by a question mark if I had really wanted to ask. I have obviously offered no insight as to where I am teaching, so I wasn't really expecting you to divulge your info. My statement (not a question) was merely rhetorical in nature.
Perhaps if I shared the same views as you do you wouldn't question my reasons to be anon. It is my choice as it is so many others on this blog. How dare you presume to know me or question my job which I love. I have not attacked you in any way and yet you choose to post something nasty and hurtful. You say I'm despicable and I say it's clearly a blessing that you are not teaching today's youth. You presume too much and are quick to insult and try to intimidate anyone who doesn't share your point of view. It's quite sad and pathetic.
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whatever, enough is enough. i personally question everyone on here who is anonymous, i think it's lame.
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Just got this email of an Oyster Bay group that runs an event for the 12 year old+ set. I know they have been doing it for several years, so it must be working. Mr Trama and Mr Russo maybe you can reach out to this group if you need ideas. (: Good Luck Tuesday!
EVERY Tuesday- BOB PROGRAM for teens 12 and older (Teens for a Better Oyster Bay, via Youth and Family Counseling Agency of OB- 922-6867).
- Theodore Roosevelt Park, 7 PM to 11 PM. Live music, games, basketball tournaments, socialization, and snacks in a safe, supervised environment.
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Enough is Enough,
I have 2 teachers (who are teaching) in my family who disagree with your opinion, however I respect your right to have your own opinion. I agree with INT... whom you have not yet responded to, won't you please explain why you were SO dissappointed?
"INT wrote:
Enough is Enough, I am trying to make sense of your post regarding the BFP's response to JJ. I scrolled back and only found that they said they do not know who JJ is, but welcome JJ's support. How is that bullying? Did I miss an entry? Please let me know."
I (blithely BTW) do not know those posting here (except for one) but it did seem to me that you did ask "Edie" a question and were rather forceful in your beliefs. Just my 2 cents. Ciao.
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I just want to take this opportunity to thank everyone that has supported Joe and I. I believe that we did the best we can. I believe that we tired our best to spread the word that its time for change. Never once during this campaign did we say one bad word about the old and current administration. All we want is a fair chance to respect the views of the residents. The residents will choose who they want to represent them tomorrow and for the next four years. Joe and myself do not have a secret agenda, we do not want to raise taxes, we want to represent the resident. I especially want to thank my wife and family, for they are my biggest supporters. May the best man or woman win tomorrow,
Please remember to vote Row "B"
TRAMA AND RUSSO,
BAYVILLE FAMILY PARTY
Thanks
Michael Trama
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Bayville Residents
Election Day is upon us and I would like to echo the thoughts of Mike and thank everyone that has encouraged us to follow our conscience and stick to the high road. I too would like to thank my wife, son, parents, sisters, and friends for all their assistance. They were the burst of energy when the tank was empty. Despite some disappointing times, it has been a remarkable experience and a great civics lesson for my son. I too have learned many things along the way. I have made several new friends along the way. Thank you everyone and remember to Vote, and Vote for the candidates you feel will best represent you, the Bayville Resident, hopefully that will be Trama and Russo.
Joe Russo
Row “B”
Goodnight
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Every democratic body has more than one party represented. Lets bring BAyville into the democratic world and allow for there to be a two party system with a inority and majority voice.
That is what was intended in this country and Bayville is still part of this country.
These two men are good hardwokring family men who give ALOT to our community lets give them the opportunity to represent us on all issues.
VOTE TODAY
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Mr. Russo:
If you follow this thread, you will note that I asked you the question about the school district's agendas/website after reading your Newsday comments. If you had responded with:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Currently as you know I am running for Village Trustee. After the election, as a LVCSD resident, I would welcome the opportunity to work with you to have the School District post the Board’s Agenda and Minutes on their Website. I believe that in the Information Age it should be a requirement!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
instead of:
>>>>>>>>>>>>BFP wrote:
JJ is not known to the BFP, but his or her support is welcomed and appreciated. Thanks>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
....my response would have been very different. While I appreciate knowing NOW that your views would be consistent across the boards, you initial response to merely support JJ's comment to me that my question was "off topic", indicated an unwillingness to expand upon the issue you were quoted on in the press, hence my conclusion as to what your only agenda is.
Thank you for participating in this discussion.
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Lisa,
No one cares what you have to say. HELLLLO!
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Anonymous,
Please don't speak (post) for me. I'm a new comer to this community. I care what "everyone" has to say on this blog. Everyone that has posted here, has given me more information, then I had earlier. I was raised that everyone has an opinion, and I should respect that opinion, even if I don't agree. I'm still not sure how I will vote today, but I will be voting.
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I to was not aware of some things that the residents were not aware of. I am very thankful for this Blog & many of my questions have been answered from these discussions. I to will be voting today.
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Today is election Day and I hope the people of Bayville do not follow TIP in the sky is falling attitude and the world will come to an end if we have a second opinion on the board.
Lets use common sense here they will hold 2 seats of seven they will be the minority, however there will be a second opinion not a majority so there is absolutely no harm in voting 2 new people into office. Lets not give the TIP party single control that they have had for the past 12 years. ITs time for a 2 party system in Bayville thats is what this country was built on. Who has a secret agenda anyway I would think it is Mayor Siegel the way she is trying to scare everyone into voting for her canidates. She is the one trying to collect a FULL pension for a part time job.
Vote Row B today.
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GOOD LUCK BAYVILLE FAMILY PARTY MICHAEL TRAMA & JOE RUSSO!!!!!!!!!!
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Lisa
The BFP respnse to JJ was not me, due to the nature of this format I can only guess (and won't here) who that was. My responses have always been on point and a tried to answer as fast a possible but I am sure you understand in any campaign time is scarce. Bayville Residents please vote.
Joe Russo
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The top three candidates win this election.
You do not have to vote party lines.
If you choose Trama and Russo, try not to vote for anyone else it will boost the TIP party candidates numbers.
If you vote for TIP vote the two new candidates and one from the BFP.
Lets get new blood on there!
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Well the day has come, Good Luck to Joe and Mike, you have our vote, vote row b,
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BFP,
>>>>>>>>>The BFP respnse to JJ was not me>>>>>>>>
Interesting. If such was the case, I'm surprised you didn't complain to the forum administrator that someone was impersonating you.
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Good Luck Michael
Adriana, Juliana, Max & I are rooting for you!!!! Your a great dad & husband. We love you soooo much!
Joe, We are rooting for you as well! You are both doing a fantastic job in such a short amount of time. You should be so proud. Good Luck Today.
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I have found over the years that "complaining" is not productive. Is this case I just let it be. Why not just turn the other cheek and wait for the opportunity to be corrected
Bayville Voters now is the time! Race to the Polls and Vote!!!!
Thank you everyone.
Joe Russo
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Good luck mike and joe, village residents remember to:
vote row b,
trama and russo
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Mike and Joe would like to congratulate the Members of TIP on their election success. We wish them well as they embark and in Mr. Watson’s case continue as Village Trustees. We wish them success and make ourselves available should they need anything from us.
Joe and Mike
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BFP,
Oh no, I am so sorry to hear that, I was very hopeful that we would be able to have new voices from a different party heard. You ran a respectable campaign - not that it matters, but I do hope that the numbers were close. Looks like you both have wonderful friends and family (from their posts above) Thank you for running!
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Mike and Joe,
You did a great job and I thank you for offering Bayville an alternate choice at the polls.
I know the two of you are very involved in this community and will continue to work hard on whatever endeavors come your way.
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I would like to publicly congratulate the Bayville Village Trustees and Village Justice elected this past Tuesday June 17, 2008. These positions should be taken very seriously, and be filled with hardworking people exuding high integrity, honesty and great open mindedness. I am sure you will live up to the expectations of the Bayville Residents that elected you.
Please be sure to carefully review the expert report written by Blake Levitt (an author of a critically acclaimed book on the subject of electromagnetic radiation) that was delivered to the Village Hall on June 3, 2008. I ask the Mayor, present trustees, and incumbents to give the findings of this report the attention it deserves, and begin the process of relocating that cell tower away from our school children and residents--as the report recommends.
Thank you Mike Trama and Joseph Russo for running a very respectful campaign--we can only hope to have the honor of your running again sometime in the future.
Most sincerely, Jo-Tina DiGennaro
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B. Blake Levitt is a left-wing journalist, not a scientist: http://blakelevitt.com/
Her writing is about as unbiased on the subject as Jay Mathews' is on IB.
I've still yet to see a suggestion from BRACT as to "where" the cell tower should be relocated to.
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Blake Levitt is notorious for bending the facts and a lot of his references are specious. The problem with cell transmission radiation is that for every critic with data there is also a person with data that takes an opposite view.
I personally feel that the Village should remove all the antennas; that would end a lot of discord and let the Village move on to other pressing issues.
What removing all the antennas would do to cell phone usage up in this neck of the woods is the unknown. Loss of service would require the cell phone users who drive and talk to actually pay attention to their driving.
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Woody,
Blake Levitt is a she. I LIKE my cell phone, thank you very much, and don't want the antennas removed. I've got a better solution.....let's move the osprey nest from West Harbor to on top of the tower....that will shut down all controversy as the birds are protected as endangered. Wildlife are better at detecting "danger" than humans anyway, guess these ospreys don't sense any:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch9pN7CSogA
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To the BFP,
As a Bayville voter and taxpayer, I would like to know why you had the voting machines impounded AFTER you conceded the election. I hope you have the decency to pay the BoElections for the recount out of your own pockets, and not expect it to come out of the Bayville coffer.
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Can someone advise the administrator of this blog to start a thread named the "Lisa McLoughlin Thread". I'll start with the first post called "enough said"
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I would like to praise the BFP (As a Bayville voter and taxpayer), if what was said above is true, your party exercised its right to request a recount. Bravo.
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I think that Lisa McLaughlin should run for a position, seems she has lots of opinions but prefers to stir the pot from afar. She probably wouldn’t win (thank goodness) – oh right she lost for the Board of Ed election, I guess the blogs are all she has
The BFP lists on their website that they can be reached via email, why doesn't she contact them in the manner in which she purports the current administration should be questioned? She feels obliged to admonish anyone who doesn’t feel comfortable contacting our mayor at her home. Sounds like a hypocrite to me.
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Hey East Ender,
I thought you wanted me to move? Put your money where your mouth is......I named my price......oh yeah, btw, did you get your stolen laptop back, or is this a new one?
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Reminder:
Bayville Village Board meeting tonight Monday June 23, 2008 starts at 7:30 pm. see everyone there.
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Lisa, I was not addressing you. Regarding that previous post about you moving, I was merely stating that you had not answered someone elses previous post about moving. You have the wrong person though I am aware of that posting and can you believe they had the nerve to hang flyers around town? but I do have a laptop - same old trusty one with the q missing, tho I would love a new one!
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East Ender:
You weren't addressing me??? Now that's a laugh, you just called me a hypocrite.
Whatsa matter? Scared that I know who you are? Boo!
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Boo hoo. It's only symantics if YOU need it I guess. no mas darlin', the election is over.
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IT'S OFFICIAL - AGAIN! TAXPAYERS PARTY SWEEPS!
The Board of Elections vote recount was conducted and the results on June 25th were exactly the same as they were on June 17th, with one exception. The machine in district #3 originally reported 5 votes for Tony Perri, who was uncontested for Village Justice, and that should have been 105.
The BFP never responded to my question as to why they felt this move was necessary. I would like to know how they can defend wasting Maria's time and the time of our Village Attorney to attend the recount.
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Umm, it's their right to request one if they want, no defense is necessary. BTW that is Maria's job.
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Sidelines:
"It's their right to request one if they want, no defense necessary".
Hmmm. That's an interesting response. I can just imagine (no wait, I can't) getting the same response from posters on this blog if I had called for the machines to be impounded after the school board vote. "Oh, it's her right!".... (not to mention the fact that one of the machines in Bayville actually DID break down).
Yeah, right.
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Lisa,
Maybe the other party hasn't responded yet because they probably don't live for the Bayville Blog. maybe they have lives & are doing things & not eating, breathing & thinking of ONLY this Blog. You need to get another activity. It is not healthy for you to be so ATTACHED to something.
Bye, Bye.
Have a WONDERFUL DAY!
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Anonymous:
>>>>>>>>>>>>maybe they have lives & are doing things & not eating, breathing & thinking of ONLY this Blog.>>>>>>>>>>>
Oh no! Are you that little man inside my head????????? Oh dear God nooooo! The same little man who posts to the Bayville Blog too?????? Ohhhhhh noooooooo! Make it stop......go awaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!! Did you bug my computer? You DID didn't you, nasty person, didn't you? Ha! And people say I'm paranoid! That's how you know how often I'm on, what I think about and when I visit the Blog. I thought so. Well the LEAST you could do is call off the black helicopters that keep circling my house, geez, they rattle the window panes and make it hard for me to concentrate!
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Wow...what a loony bird! Thank God you didn't win. Why don't you get off the blog and get some psychiatric help.
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I know it was in jest. But it still sounded very loony to me anyway. By the way, my cookoo clock is broken...do you mind popping up every once in awhile to let me know what time it is?
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wow:
I thought the little happy face emoticon would indicate that the post was said in "jest", but no, you took it seriously. Maybe that's something you might want to discuss with your shrink, life is too short to be so miserable.
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Seems that we should always have a re-count if one machine could be off by over 2000%. How does THAT happen? Does anyone know if it was the machine itself or someone wrote it down wrong. I was a poll watcher during the mayoral election and one machine wasn't recording one of the trustees vote. Wonder how long it took to realize that. I'm happy for my taxes to pay for something either party would be entitled to.
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Were there other factors that could have led to the need for a recount? Who does the impounding?
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Wow:
Pop! It's time for LVCSD to find it's 4th high school principal in 4 years!
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Bayville Residents,
To present a short history, I was raised in Bayville and lived here for 35 years until I moved out of state. I am appaulded at the tolerance that the Bayville residents have relative to some new families that have moved to the community. Where have your values and principles gone that you allow families like Margaret Marchand and her cohort to intimidate and manipulate the political process in this town but also have destroyed and infected many long standing relationships? Have you become so passive that you would allow these types of people, who clearly preach an eloquent and righteous lifestyle yet engage in behaviors that are completely opposite, to dictate the future of your children/parents/grandparents.Shame on you! Are you not aware that she is brilliant at manipulating you in order to fulfill some dysfunctional motive? Spend a moment to think about your family and friends. Despite upsets and challenges in any relationship, you know that essentially they are good people and want the best for you and your family. This town is built on generations of families caring for each other, looking out for all children and protecting the small town community values that are quickly becoming a rarity in our country. Yet because she dresses nice and is quite articulate, you justify her actions and allow the slandering to continue. A truly intelligent person listens to objective comments/opinions, even when not in their favor, to better themselves and work for the cause. A truly unhealthy emotional person attacks people with different view points or opinions despite their validity. Hmmm... I ponder what type of person Margaret is even though I have never met her in person. I hear awful things of this woman and how she attacks and criticizes all in her path that render an intelligent opinion. I have heard about her since she has moved into this community and wonder why you have all allowed this behavior to continue? This community is gradually being infected by this woman. People you know and love are being hurt and for what? With all due respect, this blog is full of inappropriate and unprofessional behavior and is a reflection of what is being generated. It is my understanding that most of the residents of Bayville, young and old, despise her behavior and do not care for her on a personal note. Despite her message, good or bad, by not doing anything about it, you're condoning it. With regard to the disgraceful comments related to Lisa, you should all be ashamed. Lisa has been an upstanding resident of this town for 30+ years and has made many efforts to improve our community without destroying people's reputations to get there. This is truly someone who can lead graciously and respectfully. Take a good look in the mirror Ms. Margaret and think about going to church to ask forgiveness for your horrid treatment of people. People can move mountains with love and kindness but you wouldn't know about this would you
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I can't even believe what I just read. To present a short history.........history of what? I think you better go to church and ask for forgiveness. Why would you write about someone you have never met? Because if you did you wouldn't slander another individual as you have just done. I don't need to sing Margaret's praises. I know the type of person she is and it is nothing that you describe. Shame on you for your horrid post. Bayville needs more "new" families.That think out of the box and don't have the ignorant mentality if it's not broke don't fix it!
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I am just completely taken back by your comments. I am a citizen of Bayville for 38 years and feel that Margaret is only trying to help our town. You are of course entitled to your opinion.
There is no reason for you to slander her name. Especially if you don't even know her.
From what I read, you are going by things that you hear. Have you ever heard the phrase - Don't believe everything you hear. Apparently you have not.
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Margo, if you really exist, I must say your comments concerning Lisa conflict with my observations since I moved to the community four years ago and the opinions of virtually every Bayville person I meet.
Her vicious comments on The Leader blog, actually its her personal blog, about school administrators, the BOE members, IB high school STUDENTS border on the psychotic. She is the only person I have ever met who I can say is actually evil and deliberately hurtful.
I have been in meeting when her obnoxious, attacking comments have caused community members, and in one case after a meeting an administrator, to cry.
Thankfully as she reveals herself on blogs more and more people are getting an idea of who she is. Her nasty disposition is now widely known and people just shake their heads and turn away. Really, she has become laughable.
So your endorsement of Lisa negates anything else you say.
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Margo,
Are you enjoying the 4th of July festive beverages a little early? Perhaps stood too close to some fireworks? Seriously, What The Hell are you ranting about?
Margaret (my sister, in the interest of full disclosure, in case anyone is unaware of that) is a PRIVATE citizen, who two-plus years ago exercised her right as an American to run for office. She and her running mates ran a clean campaign, making NO untrue personal comments about anyone they were running against. Since then she has again been a PRIVATE citizen, doing nothing to deserve your insane rant.
Why are you so threatened by her? (I'm serious, that's not a rhetorical question. I would like to know why you find her SO threatening that you come on here at this juncture in time and rave like a crazy person about her)
I want very badly to sit here and go through your insane ramblings point by point and refute them with the truth, but that would be giving your crazy self too much credence. Suffice it to say, she is the absolute opposite of what you describe. It is so eminently clear that you have never met her, if you are even a real person.
On a side note, it is interesting that many of the improvements that the village is implementing this summer at our beaches are HER IDEAS. Storytime at the beach, Yoga on the Beach, Umbrellas and games available to borrow from the lifeguards. All these ideas were brought up during the last mayoral campaign, by Margaret.
Finally, your ignorance is shining through in your complete inability to spell or use words properly. If you can't figure out how to use a dictionary, at least use the spell check button this blog has. It's on the bottom right of your page as you are writing a response.
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Margo H:
God bless you for your kind comments.
UnBalanced:
You display your ignorance by stating that theleaderonline.com forum is my "personal blog". Why don't you have the chutzpah to post over there? Could it be because you have to register to spew your venom and the blog administrator might be able to figure out who you are? Go ahead.....test me. I have no administrative privileges there.
I'll tell you what's evil. Anonymous "newcomers" who think their sh_t doesn't stink, who think they know what's "best" for Bayville, and who have nothing better to do than file lawsuits against our Village. That's evil personified. Chimps and crazy people laugh at things they don't understand. Pick which category you fit into.
Have a safe and happy Independence Day.
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I rest my case.
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Margo,
You moved away, so stay out of our business, you have no right to comment your outsider whose opinion does not count. Mrs marchand is a person with feelings. You are speaking out of line. What you are saying is assumption and speculation, that is why you are friends with Lisa M she too is one that speaks out of line. Lisa M is a nasty indivual, her crazy thoughts are splatted all over this blog. Talking about articulation without brains. Margo, please promise us all that you will pack your bags and leave town, and while your leaving why don't you swing by Lisa M house and take her with you. Do us all a favor and shut your mouth Margo.
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"you have no right to comment your [sic] outsider whose opinion does not count".~Vermine
"I rest my case." ~UnBalanced
News flash! No one hired either of you two miscreants to prosecute me and I'm not on trial! None of this nastiness existed here in Bayville until the last Mayoral election. The biggest problem we had was the '92 flood, people speeding up and down the small private roads, fighting the Bayville-Rye bridge and keeping out the 7-11. People were entitled to hold different opinions on issues without being dragged through the mud and threatened by gutless cowards who are afraid to sign their names on this blog. I have owned homes here, paid taxes here and raised my children here for over 30 years. I've never been arrested, fined or found the need to file multiple lawsuits against the Village. Get nasty with me, you bet I'll get nasty right back. MYOB, live and let live, and you'll find I'm a peaceful and respectful neighbor.
"She and her running mates ran a clean campaign, making NO untrue personal comments about anyone they were running against." ~Edie
I can understand your need to defend your sister's character. I don't have any brothers or sisters but I imagine I would do the same if I did. But seriously, get real. A "clean race"? Whatever happened with the little "entrapment" case? Did the Suffolk DA lose the paperwork? Which RF supporter plastered the enlargements of the Newsday story all over the Village? Did you forget about RF's accusations of TP fraud regarding the boat ramp? How about the 30+ Residents First American flags stuck in the Mayor's front lawn on election day? Such a lovely touch. This past election has shown ONCE AGAIN that the nasty whiners and complainers are the MINORITY. (And before you criticize someone else's spelling, maybe you should tutor your own sister). I have no idea what motivates your little cadre of followers to do what you do, but sadly you don't seem to get the message - MOST of us are very happy with Bayville. Just remember, what goes around, comes around.
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"I must say your comments concerning Lisa conflict with my observations since I moved to the community four years ago and the opinions of virtually every Bayville person I meet." ~UnBalanced
Hmmm. 4 years ago. Exactly when IB was implemented. And your sole purpose in posting here is to attack my character, no intelligent commentary on the subject at hand to be found. I made people cry......what nonsense! The Truth hurts, I suppose.
Four years. Yessiree, I've always said, there's no such thing as coincidence.
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Dear Margo.
OK - picture this, Lisa M's friend "Margo" comes to town to visit her for the fourth, a couple dozen cocktails later "they" decide to fire up the good ole bayville blog with some muddy ramblings...
My favorite point in your missive is when you state "I ponder what type of person Margaret is even though I have never met her in person. I hear awful things of this woman and how she attacks and criticizes all in her path that render an intelligent opinion."
What a nincompoop "you" must be - glad you "moved" have enough nincompoop's already... maybe you should write in the blog for "your" home town?
I think the address is www.crazytownblog.com
Have a nice weekend "Margo"
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Psychotic is not inclusive or strong enough to describe your disturbed psyche.You are a very sick person who can only exit in conflict, whether IB or Bayville politics or anything else that provides opportunity for you to launch vicious attacks.
The truth is except a few loonies in town, the discredited Leader which tips you on information in advance to run in your ad, and our clueless mayor virtually everyone else is now aware of your deviant, destructive nature. The more you post the more obvious it is so please keep them coming.
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My, my, what a sad addition UnBalanced is to our nice little Village. The fact that my Bayville "loonies" outnumber his/her Bayville loonies 2 to 1, doesn't stop the venom. The fact that over 830 "loonies" stood beside me on the IB issue doesn't phase him/her. This sad little nobody needs to get their jollies labeling me a "deviant" and "psychotic". Do you feel better now UnBalanced? I sure hope so. I'd hate to have one of our residents walking around with all that pent up rage. Jeff and Barry should be very proud of hosting a blog that allows anonymous morons like yourself to post any libelous garbage they can vomit onto their keyboards. Leave your Uzi home when you go to IGA, please.
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This thread is getting out of hand. Will everybody stop the slander towards somebody else.
We all have opinions, that does not give someone the right to slander others. A little more respect would go a long way in this nice little village by the sound.
Does anyone know how the 6 y/o girl, who was hit by fireworks, on the beach last night, is doing?
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What do the local laws say about when a family can be considered a non-newcomer? 5 years 10? 20? is 30 enough?
Anyone know where it says no one new can move to Bayville? No? didn't think so.
How 'bout that certain folks are not entitled to the freedoms that some think that they alone are entitled to? Nah, that's not there either, wonder why..I think I'll call Vicki at home.
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Cathy,
http://www.wnbc.com/news/16796289/detail.html
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Wow!! Nice compilation and more than that.. It felt great counting the comments!!
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