Sewage from the Birches to Take the Trip to Glen Cove
On Wednesday, June 25th, a meeting was held at Bailey Arboretum to update residents regarding changes to the plan for mitigating the raw sewage discharge from the Birches residential area, into Mill Neck Creek.
Earlier this year, Nassau County took possession of the Glen Cove sewage treatment plant. This prompted them to look into the possibility of connecting the Birches area, via a pump station and forced main, to the Glen Cove plant instead of constructing a packet treatment plant in the Birches area. This, of course, delayed the start of construction, which was to have already begun earlier this year. Needless to say, I was not happy with the delay. It was my contention that the collection system to be installed in the Birches community would be the same regardless of whether it delivered the sewage to a packet treatment plant to be treated and discharged, or to a pump station to be pumped to the Glen Cove plant. To me, this meant there was absolutely no reason to delay the start of construction, especially considering that the sewage flow into the Creek was mandated by the DEC to be halted before September of 2005 (though these mandates appear to incur no consequences whatsoever). As of yet, the cost sharing agreement for this portion of the project has yet to be signed by Nassau County and the Town of Oyster Bay.
I was also fairly sure that after the costs associated with installing a forced main to the Glen Cove plant would be prohibitive. This would be especially true if the forced main would be installed under Bayville and Horsehollow Roads, requiring very expensive restoration of these concrete roads.
At the meeting, the new plan was presented to a group that consisted primarily of residents of the Birches area as well as some other interested individuals. The plan is to install the collection system under the roadways of the Birches area exactly as it would have been with the packet plant. This collection system would transport the sewage down hill to the site where the packet plant was to be installed. Under the new plan, a pump station would be instead installed on this site. This pump station would then pump the sewage into the new forced main, under pressure, and uphill to a point where it can be connected to Glen Cove’s existing, gravity fed collection system. The new forced main would be a four inch diameter pipe installed along Bayville Road, Horsehollow Road and Skunk's Misery Road, where it would connect to the Glen Cove system on Forest Avenue for a downhill ride to the treatment plant.
In addition to all this, because the volume of sewage from the Birches alone would not be adequate to allow the pumping station to operate properly, a gravity fed collection pipe will be installed alongside the forced main that will connect the Locust Valley High School to the Birches pump station and subsequently to the Glen Cove plant.
While I am still somewhat disillusioned by what I consider an unnecessary delay to the start of the project (the collection system was originally scheduled to begin this past April and as of yet no agreement has been signed and the contract has not gone out to bid), I am happy that the concerns of some of the residents that live closest to the site of the pump station have been addressed. They had voiced their concerns regarding smell, noise, aesthetics and a reduction of their property values at the meeting at the Locust Valley Library last August ( see http://bayvilleblog.com/2007/08/23/birches-meeting-at-the-locust-valley-library.aspx). I am also happy that our elected officials do appear to be committed to solving this problem, even if their sense of urgency does not seem to equal my own.
I do have some concerns/suggestions regarding the project that I think will make it more cost effective over time. The first is that the collection system in the Birches be designed to allow it the capacity to also collect the sewage from the Hernan Avenue/Walton Avenue development. It is likely that this area suffers from the same soil conditions and underground hydrology as the Birches, the only difference being that the water table is lower and the underground flow does not cause the areas septic systems to back up. Instead I suspect the flow of groundwater is carrying sewage with it into the bay. The springs that flow continually from the Mill Neck Bay Marina site are evidence ofthis.
The second suggestion would be to install a second, larger diameter forced main pipe alongside the four inch main. By installing a second, say six inch, main in the same trench, we would be allowing for the possibility of expanding the system to include other problem areas without the added expense of re-excavating several miles of trench. The cost of laying a second line in an already excavated trench would be insignificant. The problem area that comes immediately to mind is the “Stands” area of Bayville, including the Tides, the amusement park, all the restaurants and the proposed office buildings. This area has long had extensive problems with their septic systems and, in addition to the added costs to these businesses, the ultimate destination for all this sewage is Mill Neck Bay. Connecting these businesses to a system already in place is a relatively simple and inexpensive process. Not designing in this extra capacity would be shortsighted.
Lastly, I would implore our elected official to expedite this project to the extent humanly possible. It was stated at the meeting that the collection system portion of the project could conceivably begin this fall and I would hope that every effort be made to make this happen as a gesture of goodfaith by our elected officials in both Nassau County and the Town of Oyster Bay. Only the knowledge that the digging has begun will reassure me that this threat to public health and quality of life will finally be on it’s way to resolution.
Barry E. Lamb
Bayville
Related Bayville Blog entries, in chronological order:
http://bayvilleblog.com/2006/11/12/raw-sewerage-still-flowing-into-the-creek.aspx
http://bayvilleblog.com/2007/03/18/the-birches-nomination-submitted.aspx
http://bayvilleblog.com/2007/04/18/the-bisches-gets-news12-coverage.aspx
http://bayvilleblog.com/2007/05/18/town-response-on-the-birches.aspx
http://bayvilleblog.com/2007/08/23/birches-meeting-at-the-locust-valley-library.aspx



Barry,
Regarding your long crusade to remediate the Birches’ sewage outflow into Mill Neck Creek, it would probably make sense to have the second connector pipe to Glen Cove made large enough to service sewage from the west side of Bayville’s “spine”—Cat Hollow Road. Most of Bayville’s homes lying close to the Creek have longstanding septic problems, and undoubtedly pollutants are carried along the surface aquifer and into the estuary. Given its concentration of homes, Bayville could be the greater problem.
Best,
Bill Britton
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Bill: there is a remediation project for the Valentine Beach area of Bayville that will address runoff issues. Currently this project is on hold. When and if it ever moves forward, it will provide storm basins in the area between Godfrey Avenue and the Creek.
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Woody,
Runoff is certainly a contributor to bay pollution. But given the relatively high percolation rate of Bayville’s surface soils, probably 50% or more of precipitation ends up as part of the dome of fresh water that underlies the area; septic systems lie within or above this dome, the contents of which are trapped by layers of clay below. Hydrostatic pressure from succeeding precipitation causes the water to flow horizontally where it exits from shoreline springs that are visible at low tide in Mill Neck Creek especially. One such spring is found at the east end of Godfrey Avenue. While runoff does send fertilizer and other surface pollutants into the creek, groundwater carries part of this pollutant load plus nitrates and organic compounds from septic systems and does so constantly, which makes that pollutant source much more detrimental to estuarial health.
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Hey Bill,
The reason I specify the Stands is because it is a known, chronic problem and it would be so easy to connect to the proposed system. It is just a few hundred feet away from the proposed pump station (though it would likely require another pump station just to get it there). To not design the proposed system to be able to handle it would be a sin.
Connecting residential areas of Bayville would prove to be a much more difficult and costly project that is unlikely to be done in our lifetimes (look how long the Birches is taking). The Stands is a no brainer.
At this point I'm content just to take the low hanging fruit - there's so much of it everywhere I look.
Barry
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God damn it, I'm a professor!! Listen to me, what about the children!! What about the children!!
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The Leader has an article on the Birches this week
http://www.theleaderonline.com/2008/BirchesDecadeLongDrain.htm
Barry
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Barry E. Lamb wrote:
"The first is that the collection system in the Birches be designed to allow it the capacity to also collect the sewage from the Hernan Avenue/Walton Avenue development. It is likely that this area suffers from the same soil conditions and underground hydrology as the Birches, the only difference being that the water table is lower and the underground flow does not cause the areas septic systems to back up."
I have lived in the area near Mill Neck Creek for over 20 years and many low lying homes have the same septic problems as the Birches. There is a lot of runoff and contaminated effluent leaching into the bay. This area should be included in the plan (expecially since the roads in this development have to be repaved anyway). I didn't think I would see sewers in this area in my lifetime but maybe it will happen. It's a crime what has been allowed to happen to the bay, it was so much cleaner when I first moved here. Thanks for your efforts.
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Hmm…I can’t recognition any sensible ones…they many annoy me in order to no end.
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