Presidential Election 08
General discussion on the election such as events, the Media coverage of, etc. Please rememeber that you are responsible for your content, please keep it constructive and free of personal attacks. All have the right to their own beliefs and opinions.
McPal 08
All of you Palin enthusiasts are probably sulking right now. The "hockey-mom" novelty has worn out and now your left with, well, a hockey-mom. Face it, everyone who thought McCain made a brilliant choice on a VP are now eating crow. The VP debate should be funnier than last nights SNL Palin-Couric spoof.
Sorry, couldn't resist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc
In regards to my youtube post, keep in mind that Jack Cafferty has no agenda. He has been a democrat hater for years.
Patriot - Joe Biden thinks there was TV in 1930. Thursday's debate certainly should be hilarious, Biden the Buffoon will be soundly trounced by Palin the Patriot. The fact checkers are going to have a field day!
Don't worry Lisa, Sarah thinks that the Dinosaurs were on the Earth only 6000 years ago, luckily that question won't come up.
She is pretty knowledgeable about Alaskan geography so maybe we'll learn a little more about the maritime border with Russia and the land border with Canada. Maybe this time she'll explain to us all how this actual makes her more qualified on foreign policy.
Hopefully she won't talk about trade missions with Russia, we all know by now that there haven't been any since she has been Governor.
This election reminds me of Lord of the Flies. By definition, a government has no conscience. Sometimes it has a policy, but nothing more.
Pass the Main Street Rescue Package!!
Here is a quick look into 3 former Fannie Mae executives who have brought down Wall Street and require 700,000,000,000 bail out by taxpayers.
Franklin Raines was a Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Fannie Mae. Raines was forced to retire from his
position with Fannie Mae when auditing discovered severe irregularities in Fannie Mae's accounting activities. At
the time of his departure The Wall Street Journal noted, Raines, who long defended the company's accounting despite mounting evidence that it wasn't proper, issued a statement late Tuesday conceding that "mistakes were
made" and saying he would assume responsibility as he had earlier promised. News reports indicate the company was under growing pressure from regulators to shake up its management in the wake of findings that the company's books ran afoul of generally accepted accounting principles for four years.' Fannie Mae had to reduce its surplus by $9 billion.
Raines left with a 'golden parachute valued at $240 Million in benefits. The Government filed suit against Raines when the depth of the accounting scandal became
clear. http://housingdoom.com/2006/12/18/fannie-charges/ .
The Government noted, 'The 101 charges reveal how the individuals improperly manipulated earnings to maximize
their bonuses, while knowingly neglecting accounting systems
and internal controls, misapplying over twenty accounting principles and misleading the regulator and the public. The notice explains how they submitted six years of misleading
and inaccurate accounting statements and inaccurate capital reports that enabled them to grow Fannie Mae in an unsafe and unsound manner.' These charges were made in 2006.
The Court ordered Raines to return $50 Million Dollars he received in bonuses based on the miss-stated Fannie Mae
profits.
Net windfall . . . $190 million!
Tim Howard - Was the Chief Financial Officer of Fannie Mae. Howard 'was a strong internal proponent of using
accounting strategies that would ensure a 'stable pattern of earnings' at Fannie. In everyday English - he was cooking the books. The Government Investigation determined that, 'Chief Financial Officer, Tim Howard, failed to provide adequate oversight to key control and reporting functions within Fannie Mae,'On June 16, 2006, Rep. Richard Baker, R-La., asked the Justice Department to investigate his allegations that two former Fannie Mae executives lied to Congress in October
2004 when they denied manipulating the mortgage-finance giant's income statement to achieve management pay
bonuses. Investigations by federal regulators and the company's board of directors since concluded that management did manipulate 1998 earnings to trigger bonuses. Raines and Howard resigned under pressure in late 2004.
Howard's Golden Parachute was estimated at $20 Million!
Jim Johnson - A former executive at Lehman Brothers and who was later forced from his position as Fannie Mae CEO. A look at the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight's May 2006 report on mismanagement and corruption inside Fannie Mae, and you'll see some
interesting things about Johnson. Investigators found that Fannie Mae had hidden a substantial amount of Johnson's
1998 compensation from the public, reporting that it was between $6 million and $7 million when it fact it was $21 million.'Johnson is currently under investigation for taking illegal loans from Countrywide while serving as CEO of Fannie Mae.
Johnson's Golden Parachute was estimated at $28 Million.
Amazing
and you want OBH as president!!!
OBH no integrity
McCain/Palin 2008
Wow Anonymous you can cut and paste GOP spin with the best of them.
Maybe rather then look at Obama you should look at someone actually close to the candidates, let's say for instance a campaign manager. In this case Rick Davis of the McCain campaign who has been a lobbyist for Fannie and Freddie for years.
Talk about no integrity and no stability and lack of direction and a complete lack of steadiness in a crises, you have the whole package in John Sidney McCain III. So desperate to be President he is willing to do or say anything to get elected.
The honorable Senator from Arizona has showed his complete lack of ability to be President since the financial crises first took hold.
In public remarks today, he professed his disappointment with the "lack of bipartisan good will" in dealing with the financial crisis, and called for everyone to "come together in a bipartisan way" in order to chart the way forward.
At around the same time, his campaign released a new ad directly attacking Democrats and Obama and blaming them for the meltdown.
"Democrats blocked the reforms," the spot continues, and invokes Bill Clinton's criticism of Dems on this front.
McCain made his remarks calling for bipartisanship at around 11:10 this morning. The McCain campaign sent out the ad attacking Dems and Obama at 11:26.
So it only took 16 minutes for the McCain campaign to drop its principal's bipartisan pretenses. Which is actually an improvement over yesterday, when McCain managed to attack Obama over the crisis and then call for no finger-pointing in the space of only two sentences.
Concerned Patriot,
You aren't too bad at cutting and pasting either.
The truth hurts doesn't it.
"Stupid is as stupid does"
Forrest Gump for President
Do not deceive yourselves with spin from politicians and political parties whose only goal is to protect their own sorry asses. There is plenty of blame to go around. The crisis is the result of:
1. The Fed for keeping interest rates too low;
2. People lying on their mortgage applications to buy houses they couldn’t afford;
3. People using their houses as ATM’s to buy crap they don’t need and can’t afford;
4. The mortgage brokers that knew what was going on;
5. The banks that knew what was going on and underwrote these mortgages knowing they would be sold and believing the risk diversified;
6. Congress for failing to regulate the credit default swap market and the GSE’s;
7. The GSE’s (FNM and FRE) that bought the crappy securities;
8. The rating agencies that whored their AAA rating for the crappy securities; and lastly everyone’s favorite whipping boy,
9. The wall street investment banks that packaged and peddled this crap to your and my 401(k);
Everyone thought it was free money. Bottom line, there ain’t no such thing as free money. There can be no freedom without security.
Will to Power -
well said.
Will to Power AKA Bill Gates
HOLLY S**T someboby gets it !!!!!!!!!! Very well said !!
those that get it are those that support
McCain
very, very well said 'will to power'~
msnbc.com had an interesting time line posted - below are just a few of them
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26797480
Nov 1 07 -
Fed injects 41 billion into financial systems
Feb 7 08-
170 billion dollar economic stumulus package approved (remember how those checks were supposed to 'stimulate the economy')
May 30 08-
Fed backs 30 billion in loans so JP Morgan Chase can buy Bear Stearns
Sept 7 08-
Govt takes over Fannie & Freddie
Sept 15 08-
they don't buy/takeover/help Lehman Bros
Sept 16 08-
Fed injects 85 billion in loans to AIG
Sept 18 08-
Fed injects 180 billion into financial system
Sept 20 08-
Fed asks for 700 billion to buy bad debt
so in less than a year our govt has put over 500 BILLION DOLLARS out there..and now they want another 500-800 billion more...and where exactly are thay planning on getting all this money...
the greed that got us into this mess needs to be regulated.....
Thanks for the compliments everyone. Greed was indeed the inventor of this injustice. The question, for which I have no answer, is how do we (or the politicians that we elect) conduct the business of the nation so that greed will do the least harm?
Will to Power - Just as there will always be kind and generous people, there will continue to be greedy crooks. It is incumbent upon the public to hold our elected officials accountable for evidence of greed, and as consumers, to boycott those businesses where there is evidence of greed at the top. Unfortunately, until it hits people in their own pocketbook, most people really don't care. McCain/Palin '08 - and be sure to print out palinbingo.com for tonight's debate!
Great link, Lisa! Shouldn't be difficult to win a game.. she'll probably use most of those words in the same sentence.
Letterman had it right in his McCain "energy saving" segment last night. In order to do our part to conserve our vital resources, McCain was seen to recommend that we all turn our TV sets off between 9:00 and 10:30 tonight
It's the beginning of the end, anyway. Obama/Biden '08!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A
Hey Anonymous, what was the point of that Youtube post? Was it to show us that a black man is actually going to vote for McCain? Do you think this is a phenomenon? When was the last time you went over the Bayville Bridge, in 1975? That was the whitest black man I have ever seen and I work in the city! Go sell that crap somewhere else.
All too easy to just selectively pick out all the kids' stuff off YouTube, isn't it, Anon? I refer to your post showing the chap with the funny hat.
I suppose that your rationale behind the subsequent post of the Jihad video is that we are all supposed to be terrified of what Obama will do - or not do - for the country because he once went to a Muslim kindergarten. Please. What you highlight there IS a real problem for the future, and one that will haunt this country for decades to come. But you need to look very carefully at the reasons WHY.
The thousands of deaths that have resulted as a result of the United States' invasion of Iraq has left a generation of children who, at the least, will grow up with resentment in their hearts and, at the worst, a lust for revenge. It is too late for this administration to undo the knots in their knitting, but the last thing this country needs is a Republican successor who will continue to display insular arrogance and be willing to further defer the possibility of real diplomatic discourse from the outset.
Obama is young and, yes, inexperienced. But he has the intellect and leadership qualities to be able to pull together the finest (and, perhaps, bipartisan?) team over the coming years. His potential as a man who will be comfortable, yet firm, in talking with any nation's leader should give great hope for the future. Just try reading another country's newspaper (yes, you can find them on the Internet) if you want to get a feel for how that might work. The world is waiting for Obama, not McCain.
Will to Power knows how to cut and paste with the best of them
http://www.TheThirdJihad.Com
Palin needs a new word. "Maverick" is getting old and there's still a month left before the election. "Joe six-pack american" makes her sound like a complete hick. As far as I'm concerned she came off looking like some backwoods hillbilly that shouldn't even be standing up on that stage. Go back to Alaska and look to the skies for Russian aircrafts.
Oh, BTW....oh what a tangled web we weave....Read this..very interesting..
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/02/fact-check-94-times/
Palin won the debate hands down. Biden did well, but the fact that he is unfamiliar with the language in Article I of the Constitution as specific to the role of the Vice President was certainly discomforting: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html
And Mark, I find it upsetting that you're ok with a President who served as the attorney and organizer trainer for ACORN, (convicted in 6 different states for voter fraud, currently under investigation in 14 others) for registering individuals such as Jive Turkey, Mary Poppins, etc). The only ones in the "world" waiting for Obama to be President are our enemies, cheats and frauds.
Lisa, your post illustrates clearly to me how someone with convictions such as you proudly hold can be blind to any other argument. I don't think anyone could possibly agree, surely, that Palin "won the debate hands down". She did not "get caught like a deer in the headlights" as many were expecting, certainly, and she maintained her poise and hockey-Mom cheerfulness under what can only have been incredible pressure; but, she showed no focus, waffled endlessly about mavericks and answered very few of the questions put to her. Biden, in contrast, was the consummate professional. He was on the ball, precise, and did what was asked of him.
Lisa, we have created many of our "enemies", as you call them. The likes of Al Qaeda would love to see another Republican administration; it would give them a solid basis on which to continue their crusade against this country. An Obama presidency will dilute their support dramatically and, furthermore, build coalitions worldwide that the current administration in its blind arrogance has found impossible to achieve.
Mark,
You need to watch something other than CNN or NBC. Here's one independent focus group: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKrk_6QjcNw
The U.S. has not "created" enemies like Achmadinijad and Fidel Castro. You are absolutely blind to world politics if you think these tyrants want McCain:
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2633744220080526?sp=true
http://news.newsmax.com/?Z64R.id3Wi4A7rM97wZwD3RZDxykxJUAZ
>>>>>>>>>>Iran’s leadership has expressed “great pleasure” at the prospect of a Barack Obama victory in November, according to Menashe Amir, the Iranian-born head of Radio Israel’s Persian language service.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I dare any Obama supporter to find a picture of a CHE GUEVERA flag hanging in McCain/Palin campaign headquarters!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56293
Mark--Well said!
OBAMA BIDEN '08
Seems like McCains giving up to me. Palin did ok given her performance in past interviews. Had she been held to the same standards as a man running for vice president, she would have been crucified.
This is interesting:
http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20089295&BRD=1672&PAG=461&dept_id=33380&rfi=6
Palin didn't win outright last night. She tied Biden. The thought of this nitwit taking over as President of the United States of America (if something should happen to McCain)...scares the living @#$% out of me.
It's interesting, and surely encouraging for Democrat voters, that all the negative and inflammatory spin linked from this thread is posted by Republicans. Could this be because focusing on the actual issues is too painful, given that McCain and his sidekick are simply offering the American people more of the same, or worse?
Palin certainly didn't manage to get too close to anything of significance last night. Country First? The appointment of Sarah Palin as his running mate is probably the most irresponsible - if not desperate - thing John McCain has ever done.
I post in this thread not because I want - or have the time - to get buried in a Bayville version of the "talking heads" with which we are saturated on all TV channels. I post, simply, because this election is too important to get wrong, and for the sake of my children I am proud to put my name to my views here.
I wonder how many others, apart from the ubiquitous Lisa whose openness I respect, will put their name to their convictions in this forum before November 4?
The real truth is this thread is democrates trying to justify supporting barak hussein for president.
They clearly know who is going to win and are just supporting barak hussein knowing he will be just a anme post election and will never hear from or about him again. Just like Jesse Jackson, etc.
Even the Clintons will be voting for McCain.
Mark Beaumont,
You have to be kidding!!! LOL
Obama is Al Qaeda etc.
Obama Biden = Obama Bin Laden
RT and A, I rest my case
Mark Beaumont,
again LOL, I rest my case
I'm a registered Republican and I'm voting for Obama.
East Ender -
I'm sorry for your mental confusion. There are therapists who can help with that, you know. Maybe you should go see An American Carol. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time!
Mark -
I respect you for signing your name as well. So, now that I provided you with news links, not spin, regarding the positions of leaders from Iran and Cuba as to whom they would prefer to see win the election, are you willing to revise your statement on that one issue, at least?
McCain picking Palin was a brilliant move. Obama NOT picking Hillary was the stupidest move. It will cost him the election. Much to the chagrin of many American males, the 19th Amendment IS a reality and just as many African-Americans will be voting for Obama simply because he's "one of them", many females will be voting for McCain/Palin because she's "one of them". You may want to call that racist or gender bias, but it's reality.
Obama loses Hugo Chavez's endorsement - >>>>>>>>Chavez, who in the past implied that he favoured Obama over his Republican rival, John McCain, today declared a plague on both their houses.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/17/usa.uselections2008?gusrc=rss&feed=politics
Back off and let those men who want to marry men, marry men.
Allow those women who want to marry women, marry women.
Allow those folks who want to abort their babies, abort their babies.
In three generations, there won't be any Democrats.
OOH, Big boy patriot works in the city!!!
Gosh! there are blacks in the city???
Golly, You must be so lucky to have that privilege.
Why don't you go past the color and listen to what he said.
Oh, that is right. you are one of those liberal Dudes he is talking about.
Gosh? Golly? You must be from Wasilla.
Patriot -
"Nitwit"? Biden made 14 misrepresentations/mistakes, Palin made 2. Who's the REAL nitwit?
Obama has THE most Liberal voting record in the Senate. Biden is the 3rd most Liberal. If that's what you want for our children and grandchildren, might I suggest moving to Venezuela or Cuba before Nov. 4th - the weather is very nice there.
As if the U.S. isn't giving enough money to foreign countries who don't like us very much, look what Sen. Obama currently has on the table in the Senate:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/the_global_candidate_proposes.html
..... and the award for the most clever depiction of one of the candidates goes to Ann Coulter for portraying Biden as - "Lyndon LaRouche with hairplugs".
No amount of tooth whitener can hide a Marxist's agenda.
Lisa: I actually enjoy going back and forth w/ you. You're an entertaining person, to say the least. I promise I'll always keep it on subject and never get personal because I actually respect your opinion...no matter how right or wrong I think you are. With that, I have to give you credit for actually having the nerve to quote someone as vicious as Ann Coulter. Who the hell is Ann Coulter think she is anyway? This is a person who said "Afghanistan is going swimmingly well" and "Osama Bin Laden is irrelevant". Is this really someone you want to be quoting Lisa? She's a flat out kook!
I'm having posting trouble again - unable to get past submitting post for moderation.
Hmmm, there must be a block on either the word social-st or com-unist.
That's it! Jeff, you better check your filter software, unless you have a particular reason for blocking those two words. I wanted to direct Obama worshipers to the official Obama website where they can search and find a community group of Marx-sts, Soci-lists and Com-unists for Obama. Check it out folks, it's there.
Patriot - I'm glad you find me entertaining. Maybe Fox will give me my own show.
(and Ann is only kooky 20% of the time)
No word block either on this blog engine but will be on the newer blog comming soon.
Patriot,
You betch ya!
When did "liberal" become a dirty word
Will to Power - Liberal became a dirty word when it came to represent those who support massive government, take from the rich and give to the poor, constantly playing the victim and supporting intimidation, lies and propaganda - ie: the Democratic party, especially those on the far left of the Democratic party, and the biased media.
or did you want an exact year?
A message from Sarah Palin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZsO7dZ__iw
Patriot - Do you really find that clip humorous, I'm just wondering. I really don't. Trying to make an intelligent, confident strong woman look stupid by splicing bits together out of context is inane and disingenuous. SNL skits are funny because they are balanced. In fact, I find the Letterman clip about as humorous as this one put out by CNN attempting to blame the GOP for Internet perceptions of Obama as the anti-Christ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQoV_Ngl-G8
Lisa- It would have been balanced if McCain had showed up to Ed Sullivan Theater. He flat out lied to Dave about not being able to make it and 4 hours later he's doing an interview w/ Katie Couric? Dave has every right to be bashing McCain/Palin. Then you say SNL skits are "funny because their balanced"? That's insane. Think of your logic. Basically you're saying that you would only laugh at the Palin/McCain parodies if and only if they parody the Obama/Biden ticket in the same show.
Patriot- that was great maybe McCain is thinking twice about suspending his campaign and canceling Letterman! Obama '08!
Lisa- no confusion here, I'm positively voting for Obama!
Patriot - So Dave's widdle feelings are hurt? Too bad. And perhaps you consider it insane, but I can appreciate it when a comedy writer can parody the "flaws" of both parties side by side, rather than a singular, edited attack on a single candidate. McCain called to cancel. Whether he decided to keep another obligation was his business. Let's look at a few Obama lies:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_stem_cell_spinning.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_trade_trickery.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/out_of_context_on_health_care.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_social_security_whopper.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/scaring_seniors.html
Connect the dots -
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html
Prior to the Obama/Ayers education "initiative" to reform Chicago schools, there existed one IB school which was authorized in 1980. Between 1997 and July of 2000, 11 new IB schools were authorized, seven of those in 1999. Since then, an additional 14 schools have been authorized.
Let's face it. Obama (who I don't like, but I like more than McCain) is leading in nationwide polls. Palin is now coming out w/ the story of Obama being associated with terrorists. Can anyone say DESPERATION? I feel bad for McCain. If he were running against Obama 8 years ago, McCain would clearly be in the lead. Obama is reaping the benefits of the failed Bush administration. The only chance McCain has to win this election is if Israel and/or the US invades Iran at the end of October. Wag the dog anyone?
Patriot - I hardly see how making more public the Obama/Ayers connection, especially as it relates towards the education of American children, is desperate. Did you read the Wall St. Journal link I posted? These were not just "two guys who met in a bar". They actively engaged in subverting the public education system of Chicago towards the political left.
As far as the polls go, I expect to see the Bradley Effect come very much into play. People are afraid to say they are not voting for Obama, lest they be labeled racist. All bets are off when the curtains are drawn on Nov. 4th.
Pretty telling Lisa that you are hoping that we haven't grown as a country and are still holding on to our racists past.
If I was a supporter of McCain I would be hoping for a more positive way to rationalize his winning the election. Maybe by coming up with a plan or a direction for the country that differs from the one that GW Bush has had us on for the past 8 years.
President Palin 2012
Don't look now but Obama took the lead in Missouri, a major battleground state. Experts say if Obama takes Missouri, the race is virtually over. He also jumped from 6% to 8% in the national polls. Lisa- if you say the polls don't matter...think again. If Obama is leading by as much as 8% come November, whichever votes come from the "closet McCain voters when the curtain is down" you speak of, won't make a difference anyway. Let's also not forget who started the smear campaigns. Palin opened her big mouth today...and miraculously..Obama is leading in Missouri.(Hmmm)
Patriot -
As I see it, the first "character" attack was thrown by the Obama camp right after McCain announced Palin as the VP pick. Remember these words? "A small town mayor who isn't qualified to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency" So I think "palling around with crooks (Rezko) and terrorists (Ayers) is fair game." And now "Obama barely knew the man"?????? Puhleeze.
Of course you would see it that way Lisa since you're blinded by the right. Amazing how saying someone's qualifications aren't up to snuff would be seen as character attack.
I guess then that those Conservatives like Kathleen Parker and George Will and David Brooks who have called the Governor unqualified are attacking her character as well?
As far as palling around with crooks don't you think people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, or is Charles Keating someone McCain supporters forgot about?
Regarding polls - take a look at the Kerry/Bush polls. Things were looking pretty good for Kerry, weren't they? In fact they improved as they got closer to the election. But just as we didn't have a President Kerry, this country will not stand for a President Obama.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/bush_vs_kerry_historical.html
Speculation no more - Here is the direct link to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) expenditures. In addition to ACORN, we find the BEVERYL/MORGAN PARK IB MYP Program. Boy Scouts? Declined. YMCA? Declined. Marxist conspiracy theory? I think not!
http://www.uic.edu/depts/lib/specialcoll/services/rjd/findingaids/AnnenbergChallenge.pdf
CR - Can you spell "exonerated"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The cloud of scandal did not lift until Nov. 20, 1991, when he was exonerated by the Senate Ethics Committee after an investigation that included weeks of televised hearings. The committee found that Mr. McCain had ''exercised poor judgment'' in attending, with four other senators, two meetings with federal banking regulators, but it found no improper action on his part.
''I found nothing in my investigation which caused me to question Senator McCain's integrity,'' said Robert Bennett, the Washington lawyer who was special counsel to the ethics panel during what is called the Keating Five investigation. Mr. Bennett, more recently, has been one of President Clinton's lawyers.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
source NYT - 11/21/99
Did I say McCain did anything wrong Lisa?
Didn't I just repeat the wingnut palling around line? No need for your copying and pasting Lisa I am sure you would admit that McCain palled around with Keating and that Keating is a felon, oh excuse me crook.
This election will be won on the issues, not on desperate attempts by the McCain campaign to dig up dirt from the past. It's a fruitless effort, anyway: Obama's side is well able to reply in kind when it has to.
We all know that neither candidate has an easy task ahead, and we can expect that some campaign promises will have to be broken. We can thank the administration of the past eight years for that. McCain, as the GOP's (far from unanimous choice of) candidate faces an almost impossible task in shaking off the Bush legacy; but then, his stated course is more of the same anyway, despite his campaign's pretensions of change.
Hiring a celebrity VP-designate has only made things worse for him; the lipstick has now worn off. Surely even the most right-wing Republicans (this blog's most prolific poster excepted!) must see how foolish and irresponsible a choice she was. I'm still reeling from her describing both Iran and Pakistan - in the same sentence - as "dangerous", during the VP debate; Pakistan is a key ally in coalition attempts to rout Al Qaeda et al. There are problems to be resolved, for sure, but you don't encourage cooperation by calling your friends dangerous. She has redeemed herself a little this week by criticising her leader's foolhardy abandonment of Michigan's Republican voter base. Bad message, Mr. McCain.
Here's hoping that we see a good debate tonight, in any case, and that - as CR puts very succinctly in a previous post - that we have grown enough as a country, and can demonstrate enough intelligence, to choose our candidate based on what he can do for the future of this country rather than whether he is old, tall, pink, brown or whatever.
Me? Supporting Obama/Biden '08!
Mark,
Would that be the same Pakistan that Biden claimed had nuclear missiles that could reach Israel?
CR - that's right, we were talking about the INTEGRITY of both candidates. McCain sat in a meeting with Democrats. Obama sat on a Board with an unrepentant domestic terrorist, making the only executive decisions of his career to funnel grant money to public schools for the specific purpose of promoting left-wing radicalism while excluding math and science initiatives.
Use your brains, Obama supporters, unless as I fear, they're too saturated with Kool Aid.
Warning: The following is probably the most disturbing video I have seen compiled on the Internet. It made my hair stand on end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSWt7hOYYLY
Methinks thou surfeth too much, fair Lisa! What a pathetic offering! My only concern is that anyone at all could take such a paranoid compilation seriously.
Thanks for the reminder to dig out "Cabaret" for another viewing, however. A brilliant movie, and that particular scene is astonishingly powerful. Now I suppose you'll say I'm a Nazi because I appreciate good film-making
Sure Lisa it's only you who see the light the rest of us are just drinking the Kool Aid. How wonderful you are to correct us blind followers of bad ideas.
It's amazing how you jump on any wingnut talking point, yet point fingers at others for drinking the Kool Aid.
Ayers, you are really stretching here, pallin around my arse, Obama sat on the board with a college professor, who happened to be a loony toons when Obama was what 8 years old? Were they actually discussing Weather Underground ideology in those board meetings?
Why don't you look no further then Sarah Palin whose hubby was a member of a party in Alaska that called for its succession from the good ole USA. A party that the Governor addressed and told them to keep up the good work?
I can only imagine how far off the handle you and your fellow wingnuts would be if Michelle Obama was a member of a black nationalist party whose founder preached armed secession from the United States and who enlisted the government of Iran in his cause? That it is Todd Palin and the AIP doesn't seem to bother you, cause they are just a Hockey Mom & Joe Six-Pack, you betcha.
CR - >>>>>>>>was a member of a black nationalist party whose founder preached armed secession from the United States and who enlisted the government of Iran in his cause? That it is Todd Palin>>>>>>>>>
I'm sorry, are you on drugs? What the heck are you talking about? Source? What's that? You have none? Now why does that not surprise me.
And I see you are very impressed that Ayers was a "college professor". Big freakin deal! I explained to you what they did with the money. You want to pretend it didn't happen, keep sticking your head in the sand.
Mark,
That musical compilation made me cry for America and people like you who cannot see the parallel.
Sorry Lisa I guess you aren't as knowledgeable as you pretend to be on a message board. You could have easily Googled AIP and found out what party Todd Palin was a member of for if I am not mistaken 7 years and one that Governor Palin addresed.
Here is little primer for you.
In 1973 Joe Vogler began arguing about the validity of the Alaskan statehood vote. Early in that year, he began circulating a petition seeking support for secession of Alaska from the United States. Alaska magazine published a piece at that time in which Vogler claimed to have gathered 25,000 signatures in 3 weeks.
During the 1970s, Vogler founded Alaskans for Independence to actively pursue secession for Alaska from the United States. In 1984,[1] he founded the AIP to explore whether the 1958 vote by Alaskans authorizing statehood was legal.
The Alaskan Independence Party quotes Vogler as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."[3] [4]
Vogler would serve as the AIP's standard-bearer for most of the party's first two decades. He ran for governor in 1974, with Wayne Peppler as his running mate. Jay Hammond was elected over incumbent governor William Egan, with Vogler trailing far behind. Typical political discussion of the day contended that Vogler was a "spoiler," and that the result would have been different had he not been in the race. However, this campaign opened up the doors for non-major party candidates to run for major offices in Alaska, and generally this accusation is leveled during every election cycle.
Vogler's running mate in 1986 was Al Rowe, a Fairbanks resident and former Alaska State Trooper. Rowe took out a series of newspaper ads, fashioning himself in the image of Sheriff Buford Pusser. These ads were a major attention getter during the race. Between Rowe's ads and the turmoil existing in the Republican Party over the nomination of Arliss Sturgulewski, the AIP gained 5.2 percent of the vote, becoming a recognized party in Alaska for the first time.
In 1990, Walter Joseph Hickel, a former Republican, won the election for governor as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, along with Jack Coghill as his running mate. This was the only time since Alaska joined the union that a third-party candidate has been elected governor. However, Hickel never agreed with the party's call for a vote on secession, leading to demands from party diehards that he be recalled. He rejoined the Republican Party in 1994, with eight months remaining in his term.
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I can respect your loyalty, but not your logic. Outside the United States, THIS country is seen now to be one of the most dangerous on earth, because of the unpredictability, unilateral action and associated arrogance of its interference in others' affairs. Don't forget; we have more nuclear weapons in our arsenal than any country on earth. There are not many who see us as particularly friendly right now. Bush's disregard for the Geneva Convention and the quagmire of Guantanamo doesn't help. We've lost the moral high ground. Furthermore, to secular Europe, this administration's open leaning on A Higher Power is concerning. The rest of the world would feel more confident in a President who can make his own decisions.
Obama has the power to settle many of these concerns. Will he talk to Muslims? I certainly hope so, as he lives in a country built on diversity, before he even steps abroad. Will he talk to our enemies? Yes, on the right terms. But let's have less of the spin that encourages those who don't have the time or knowledge to explore these matters to think that every person of darker skin or wearing a turban is a terrorist. And that a few kids singing songs - whether or not their teachers were right to encourage it - is the next Hitler youth.
Mark
Mark
Hi Lisa
In my last, the quote marks should have included this:
>>>>That musical compilation made me cry for America and people like you who cannot see the parallel.>>>>>
Apologies for any unclarity.
Mark -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We've lost the moral high ground. Furthermore, to secular Europe, this administration's open leaning on A Higher Power is concerning>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Wow. I find that an absolutely incredible statement, that your entire worldview is based on your imaginary premise or gross misperception that Europe, as a continent, is entirely secular/atheist (and I do believe the Vatican would strongly disagree with your assumption as would Italy, Ireland, UK, and many others) while characterizing religious freedom here in America as "concerning". Do you know what one of the first things they do in countries where a communist regime takes over, Mark? They shut down the churches and take away the guns from the general populace. THAT's what you are advocating and THAT makes you a traitor in my book. This country was founded on the right to religious freedom. Over 85% of Americans believe in God. That's not to say you have to believe in God, Mark. That's the beauty of America. But I do believe in God and I find your comments highly offensive and anti-American. A presidential candidate who spent 20 years at a church with a preacher who spews "God d-mn America", where it was passed out in the church lobby, who was married by, had his children baptized by, and claims to "never have heard" anything like that in 20 years.... is either a bold faced liar or else he slept through every service.
Frankly Mark, I really could give a crap which countries see us as friendly. They all have their hands out for more and more U.S. aid, which Obama wants to double what we are already spending on thankless countries. And I don't think the U.S. needs to try and be "friends" with a psycho nutjob like Achmadinijad who wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Thank God we have the biggest nuclear arsenal, and let's pray to God that we'll never, ever have to use it. I want a commander in chief who has the brains and foresight not to blurt out our military options and intentions while having tea with a tyrant, but who will act strongly and decisively and always remember, country, OUR country, first.
CR - Is Todd Palin running for office? Do we get to vote for First Dude? Did you forget to link a source? How is that entire diatribe relevant to anything? I don't bother researching baseless hearsay spouted by an anonymous blogger.
Lisa you have a problem researching "baseless claims", but have no such problem repeating them. The only reason that you don't want to research the claims about the Palin's ties to the AIP is that you don't actually want to know the truth,
You want to paint this pallin around relationship between Obama and Ayers and yet don't want to look at the relationships the Governor may have.
Here for your reading pleasure, though I am sure you will dismiss them as they don't fit into the right wing narrative.
http://minnesotaindependent.com/12165/palins-friends-the-america-hating-iran-conspiring-aip
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/another-aip-off.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI&feature=related
http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-connected-to-anti-american-fringe.html
Lisa
Your personal attack above is unwarranted and completely out of order. So much for Admin's request for civilized debate.
I can see WHY you are so hot under the collar and perhaps the more precise phrase "politically secular Europe" would have stopped you reaching for your sharpest pen. But you do seem to see everything as being at one extreme or the other. Traitor? Advocating communism? Anti-American? What poppycock. If your attacks weren't so far off the mark (no pun intended) I might even be offended!
Do spare me the primary school lectures, though.
Mark
Mark,
Even if you had inserted the word "politically" into your argument, the premise is the same. You cry foul and play the victim, yet fail to apologize for representing those who believe in God as something to be "concerned" about.
While a primary school lecture might exceed your level of metacognition, allow me to share with you the following:
"In the 50 years since the Treaty of Rome was signed in 1957, European leaders have tried to build a united Europe on a secular foundation of treaties and economic regulations. These efforts, however, have not been adequate to do the job. Now the efforts will include another factor—religion. Chancellor Merkel "has spoken out in favor of a reference to God in the constitution… It is the first time Berlin has spoken out in favor of a Christian reference in the EU constitution" (euobserver.com, May 26, 2006). Merkel, the daughter of a Protestant pastor, reiterated her views after a summer audience with German-born Pope Benedict XVI: "I underlined my opinion that we need a European identity in the form of a constitutional treaty and I think it should be connected to Christianity and God, as Christianity has forged Europe in a decisive way" (euobserver, August 29, 2006). Germany should find support in this endeavor from predominantly Roman Catholic countries like Spain, Italy and Poland, which backed an earlier attempt to refer to Christianity and God in the constitution."
Thank you for your uncredited quote from Douglas S. Winnail of www.tomorrowsworld.org, a religious organization based in North Carolina. To my knowledge - if the quotes from Merkel are accurate - her opinion has not been acted on as yet. Her own immigrants of other faiths may have something to say about it, too.
I did not represent "those who believe in God as something to be "concerned" about." I did not challenge your personal belief, Lisa, even if it does include regarding 15% of the U.S. population as traitors; but please don't make wild assumptions about my own personal choices, of which you know nothing. This thread is not about our own beliefs, in any case.
I referred only to the widespread belief in Europe that there should be clear separation of church and state; that those in power should respect that and should keep their personal faith preferences to themselves. That's always been my interpretation of Thomas Jefferson's thinking, too, although you can read him both ways.
I leave you with an insight into the logic of G.W.Bush talking to Charles Gibson in 2004:
"While the president often refers to God during public addresses to his supporters, Bush's religious convictions don't always seem to reflect those of the conservative Christians who make up his political base.
In an exclusive interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson, Bush said he believes that both Christians and Muslims worship the same God.
"I think we do. We have different routes of getting to the Almighty," Bush said. "But I want you to understand, I want your listeners to understand, I don't get to get decide who goes to heaven. The Almighty God decides who goes to heaven and I am on my personal walk," he said.
When it comes to Osama bin Laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who both claim to be devout Muslims, Bush says he believes they are misguided.
"I think they pray to a false God, otherwise they wouldn't be killing … like they have been."
Bush says he doesn't believe the United States is in a religious battle when it comes to the war on terror. He says he wants to make it clear that America is fighting against groups of people who want to kill innocent people and not groups looking to practice their religion.
"I don't think this is a religious war. I think this is a war between evil people that are willing to kill on a mass scale; people that would like to end up with weapons of mass destruction, even kill more than they did in New York City and Washington, D.C."
Mark
Mark ROCKS
Obama Biden '08!
CR - re: The Truth
Did you bother to read or completely watch the links you provided? (thank you for those, btw.)
1. Sarah Palin was NEVER a member of AIP as verified by her voting records which proved her to be a lifelong Republican - abc.news
2. In the video which she addresses the AIP convention in 2008 which she was invited to speak at as the sitting Gov, she specifically and deliberately recognizes the right of different groups to "competition" and to uphold the Constitution of the State of Alaska. I'm sure you didn't bother to look at that document, but the preamble states:
We the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land, in order to secure and transmit to succeeding generations our heritage of political, civil, and religious liberty WITHIN THE UNION OF STATES, do ordain and establish this constitution for the State of Alaska.
She never advocated for the secession of Alaska.
In fact, she urged the AIP to support the state Constitution, a clear attempt to try and have the group refocus its priorities.
Being invited as an honorary speaker is lightyears away from working hand in hand with an unrepentant terrorist who bombed Federal buildings, still wishing he had "done more", to distribute money for the intense purpose of indoctrinating public school children with radical left-wing education. That is not hearsay or a baseless claim. It is clearly documented.
Mark,
I did try to link my source which you accurately identified, but something is wrong with the way this blog hits my computer and when I pasted it in, the rest of the text disappeared, sorry about that.
So tell me, do you disagree with George Bush's comments? If so, does that mean you support the "right" of radical Islamic terrorists to come blow themselves up anywhere they darn please?
When discussing the character of presidential candidates, one cannot separate the candidate's personal religious beliefs from their worldview. Then, once considered as to how those religious beliefs may influence secular decisions required of our Commander in Chief or VP, you must ask yourself which candidate has shown themself to be true to their belief system, or who is willing to drop a religious affiliation after 20 years because it "looks bad" on the campaign trail. Your particular phrasing of your worldview of what European leaders allegedly think of our American President clearly depicts you as offering up the secular humanist point of view. You have every right to be one, however it doesn't necessarily make you right or in agreement with the vast majority of Americans.
Lisa do you bother to read anything others write? Yes, I too can be a condescending know it all.
TODD, you know the 1st dude, was a member of the AIP. The Governor spoke at a convention of a party whose stated goal is secession from the USA, a party that her husband was a member of until it became a political liability for his wife.
That video is only the most recent time she was at their convention, she has attended before she was governor. This isn't ancient history and I would think that the Governor gets a lot more advice and works closer with her husband then Obama ever did with Ayers.
Now Lisa you can go back to your regular scheduled visit to the right wing echo chamber.
go look at the ridiculous amounts of $$ some of the CEO's of some of the companies we all just bailed out took home.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/as-banks-broke-down-ceos-cashed-in-slide-show.aspx?GT1=330
MARK HAS HIS HEAD IN THE MUD
MCCAIN/PALIN 08
PALIN 2012
Hi Karen, how are you?!
>>>MARK HAS HIS HEAD IN THE MUD>>>
Hmm. Criticism I can take, but any chance of knowing what your particular beef is? The mud in the Creek can get a bit smelly.
I confess that I am beginning to understand why people tend to avoid posting in this blog. The insults do fly, don't they, particularly from those who hide behind nicknames? What ever happened to the fine art of debate?
Never mind, I'll keep trying just a little bit longer. Or be trying just a little bit longer in some peoples' eyes, perhaps!
PALIN 2012? My goodness, what a concept. Frightening, indeed. Surely, Angelina Jolie is the more famous celebrity? Wouldn't she do?
Mark
Here's to the State of Mississippi. Read the lyrics underneath the video. Performed by Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam:
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/eddie+vedder/video/x1jo3o_eddie-vedder-heres-to-the-land_music
Dear End of GOP -
Yo! Pass the doober, man! What? It's not 1968 anymore? Crap.
Eddie forgot to add this paragraph:
Here's to the posts of Lisa McLoughlin,
Who is so quick to defend the right wing maniacs,
Her mind was made up long before Obama beat Hillary,
and if Joe Biden was the republican nominee,
She would have voted for him too.....
Oh, here's to the land you've torn out the heart of,
Lisa McLoughlin find yourself another country to be a part of!
End of GOP -
"If Joe Biden was the Republican nominee"????????????
ROTFLMAO!
You must still be high from pinhead Madonna's concert.
McCain/Palin '08 - the only logical choice
This article by Francis Fukuyama is the current NEWSWEEK is a good read:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/162401
It takes no sides but is an interesting assessment of how the US needs to shape itself for the future. Perhaps unsurprisingly, my own view is that an Obama administration will be best suited to the task. America is not an island; views expressed by the right wing in this forum equating to "screw everyone else, as long as we're alright that's all we need" are not the answer to America's future role on the global stage.
Mark
Fuk-u-yama??????
ROTFLMAO!!
Please Mark, I've only had 1 cup of coffee, half of which I just spit all over my monitor. Stop drinking the Kool Aid!
Ah, your true colors! Francis Fukuyama is a third generation American.
McLoughlin doesn't sound to be too much of a Native American name either.
Anyway, off you go and make yourself another cup of Colombian coffee in a Chinese cup, before returning to your Malaysian built computer with its Korean-manufactured chipset. Not to mention, your Swedish computer station.
Hope your sense of humor isn't Palin'
Mark
My "true colors"? It was the Fuk-u part of the name I found amusing and had absolutely nothing to do with the author's ethnicity, Mark. I wrote two long posts critiquing why Fukuyama's article is an astonishing example of incorrect thinking and incorrect partisan blame, but this blog wouldn't put them up. Oh well.
Mark's new global friends:
http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/david-et/obamas-kenyan-roots
Now THIS is good reading! LOL!
My Fellow Muslims
Mon Feb 25, 2008 03:31 PM CST
A PAID POLITICAL ANNOUNCEMENT BY SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D- ILL)
My fellow Identity-Americans.
As your future President I want to thank my supporters, for their... well, support.
Your mindless support of me, despite my complete lack of any legislative achievement, my pastor's relations with Louis Farrakhan and Libyan dictator Moamar Quadafi, or my blatantly leftist voting record while I present myself as some sort of bi-partisan agent of change.
I also like how my supporters claim my youthful drug use and criminal behavior somehow qualifies me for the Presidency after 8 years of claiming Bush's youthful drinking disqualifies him. Your hypocrisy is a beacon of hope shining over a sea of political posing.
I would also like to thank the Kennedy's for coming out in support of me. There's a lot of glamour behind the Kennedy name, even though JFK started the Vietnam War, his brother Robert illegally wiretapped Martin Luther King, Jr. and Teddy killed a teenage girl. And I'm not going anywhere near the cousins, both literally and figuratively.
And I'd like to thank Oprah Winfrey for her support. Her love of meaningless empty platitudes will be the force that propels me to the White House.
Americans should vote for me, not because of my lack of experience or achievement, but because I make people feel good. Voting for me causes some white folk to feel relieved of their imagined, racist guilt.
I say things that sound meaningful, but don't really mean anything because Americans are tired of things having meaning. If things have meaning, then that means you have to think about them.
Americans are tired of thinking.
It's time to shut down the brain, and open up the heart.
So when you go to vote in the primaries, remember don't think, just do.
And do it for me.
Thank You.
>>>Americans are tired of thinking. It's time to shut down the brain, and open up the heart.>>>
You betcha!
Mark
Mark,
Why do you always have to make me cry? I cannot believe that you would concur with that ridiculous platitude! You do realize that you are saying you'd prefer to identify with a brain-dead, lazy, emotional sheeple blindly being led to slaughter by the Obamessiah than with those cold-hearted, manipulative, critical thinking Republicans, right Mark?
WAKE UP! THINK!
Sorry, perhaps my attempt at satire was lost on you. I lifted those lines from the drivel you posted simply because they were SO Palin. The VP choice who had Republican conference attendees - and, it would appear, a great proportion of the Republican voter base - dancing in the aisles before they even knew a thing about her. But they do now, eh?
Please don't cry, Lisa.. I'd hate to see you dampen your enthusiasm. Then what would we blog about?
Not sure why you posted the Iranian.com Kenya link. I love this quote from it, however:
"I worry that enemies of Obama will seize upon details like his grandfather's Islamic faith or his father's polygamy to portray him as an alien or a threat to American values. But snobbishness and paranoia ill-become a nation of immigrants, where one of our truest values is to judge people by their own merits, not their pedigrees. If we call ourselves a land of opportunity, then Obama's heritage doesn't threaten American values but showcases them.
The step-grandson of an illiterate, barefoot woman in this village of mud huts in Africa may be the next president of the United States.
Such mobility - powered by education, immigration and hard work - is cause not for disparagement but for celebration."
Obama/Biden '08! Won't be long now!
Mark
Where is Obama's birth certifcate....Maybe the judge handling this case will decide after the election that he needs to disclose it.
Lou, just Google "obama's birth certificate". All will become clear.
McCain, of course, was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Just as well it was American at the time!
Back to the issues....
Mark
You know the wingnuts are getting desperate when the line of attack is birth certificates and guys you sat on BofD's with.
Must be tough trying to run when the policies your party put in place have us facing the worst financial crisis since the great Depression.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Mark, if you believe that is his birth cert. your a fool. He has not released his birth cert, and he will not until a judge tells to. All you left wing dem are the same, Barak Hussian Obama has 120 days of experience, I feel sorry for the dems, if this is their best man, It does not say much for the dem party. He is a community organizer, his plans for the economy, healthcare and foreign affairs are absolutely crazy. Sarah Palin said it right, Barak Hussian Obama says one thing in Sacramento and another thing in Scottsville. His all for Main Street, all for taxing Main Street. He will take every little bit of money that we as middle class residents are trying to save. If he is elected excepted changes, changes in how you are taxed. Lisa, we finally agree with each other glad to have you on my side.
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Lou I guess you didn't bother to read the factcheck.org link on Obama's birth certificate.
I guess you are too busy shouting the days right wing talking points. You probably haven't noticed that the policies the Republicans have been pushing since the Reagan era have finally been shown to be a total disaster for the country with the Dow down 39% in a year and the whole financial system in a crisis not seen since the Great Depression.
No problem I realize you're grasping at any straw you can to demonize Obama, as the reality that the reason he is in the lead is the utter failure of Republican leadership, just doesn't fit into your world view.
Lou, good to have you backing up Lisa. She was getting lonely, as I think "Anonymous" must have fallen off his stool! Trouble is, that's two of you believing all the McCain hype and continuing to fail to recognise that Senator Obama might actually know what he is talking about.
The Presidency is not all about one man - although with our celebrity culture, you'd think it was - it's about the man (or woman) who can build the best team. And if you genuuinely think that the White House is suddenly going to be filled with far left whackos and terrorist sympathisers, you righties are even more paranoic than I thought. Obama WILL reach across the aisle - he already has - and IS the better bet to regain the America you seem to think you are still living in.
But wait, what's this? Surely NOT!
http://www.baybytes.com/news.jpg
Hoping we can all keep our sense of humor
Mark
IThe only reason that I'm not voting for Barak Hussian Obama is lack of experience, he may want to make changes, but he has never been tested. Give one or two examples of how he spearheaded an issue and fought back in the best interest of the residents. Don't give me some example of when he was a "community organizer" I'm talking about bringing a bill forward that benefits the Main Street resident. Both sides have their issues, and john has not be perfect, but he has experience and has spreadheaded many issues, the war sucks, but he is right, the surge worked, and Barak can not prove it didn't. Are you sure that you know where barak stands on all issues, are you confident that he will keep his word. I don't.
goshdarnit Mark, there you go again to for teasing Lisa also!
***** OBAMA/BIDEN '08 *******
http://www.baybytes.com/news.jpg
(Funny!!!)
Obama supporters want Obama's community organizer years to make no nevermind. Distributing $50M to Chicago public schools to indoctrinate young American minds make no difference to them. Old news. He's CHANGED.
OK. Then let's see what he has done as esq. for ACORN -
In these lawsuits, ACORN makes a bogus claim of Redlining (denying poor people loans because of their ethnic heritage). They protest and get the local media to raise a big stink. This stink means that the bank faces thousands of people closing their accounts and get local politicians to lobby to stop the bank from doing some future business, expansions and mergers. If the bank goes to court, they will win, but the damage is already done because who is going to launch a big campaign to get the banks reputation back?
It is important to understand the nature of these lawsuits and what their purpose is. ACORN filed tons of these lawsuits and ALL of them allege racism.
Case Name
Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank Fair Housing/Lending/Insurance
Docket / Court 94 C 4094 ( N.D. Ill. ) FH-IL-0011
State/Territory Illinois
Case Summary
Plaintiffs filed their class action lawsuit on July 6, 1994, alleging that Citibank had engaged in redlining practices in the Chicago metropolitan area in violation of the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA), 15 U.S.C. 1691; the Fair Housing Act, 42 U.S.C. 3601-3619; the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution; and 42 U.S.C. 1981, 1982. Plaintiffs alleged that the Defendant-bank rejected loan applications of minority applicants while approving loan applications filed by white applicants with similar financial characteristics and credit histories. Plaintiffs sought injunctive relief, actual damages, and punitive damages.
U.S. District Court Judge Ruben Castillo certified the Plaintiffs suit as a class action on June 30, 1995. Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank, 162 F.R.D. 322 (N.D. Ill. 1995). Also on June 30, Judge Castillo granted Plaintiffs motion to compel discovery of a sample of Defendant-banks loan application files. Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank, 162 F.R.D. 338 (N.D. Ill. 1995).
The parties voluntarily dismissed the case on May 12, 1998....
http://www.mediacircus.com/2008/10/obama-sued-citibank-under-cra-to-force-it-to-make-bad-loans/
Source: for above post.
Lou:
You can go to
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629
which lists bills sponsored by Senator Obama for 2007-2008 at the end of the page. You can also search for Senator McCain's bill sponsorship at:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300071
You can check www.senate.gov to look up both senators to see what legislation they have sponsored.
Interestingly, Sen. Obama along with Sen. McCain were sponsors of the 1996 Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 (S. 2590), which authorized the establishment of USAspending.gov, a web search engine on federal spending
Mark -
http://www.baybytes.com/news.jpg
LOL! Excellent!
http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/in_our_opinion/President-John-F-Kerry-Announces-Presidential-Race-Is-Over.htm
The Daily News picture is great but...
did Lisa give permission for her picture to be posted on this blog?
NOBAMA
Dear Anonymous fact checker.
You have yet to tell me what he stood up for, most of the bills that he was involed with he voted HERE, like McCain said, I did not know here was a vote.
>>>The Daily News picture is great but...
did Lisa give permission for her picture to be posted on this blog?>>>
Why would that be any of your business, Anonymous, my friend? Are you just muckraking?
But then, of course, you could be Lisa herself, for all I know (although I doubt it). So for the sake of clarity, no, she did not. Lisa does not exactly keep a low profile in Bayville (I hope you gave to her excellent IGA effort for the Red Cross the other week!) and her post above yours seems to indicate that she took my sense of humor in good spirit; but I'll remove the offending picture immediately, of course, if she has any objection to it being online.
I'll tell you one thing: McCain's campaign might do a lot better if Lisa WERE on the ticket! I may not agree with her views but, heck, I think she would have done a far better job with Katie Couric
Mark
http://images.cafepress.com/product/241110933v2_350x350_Front.jpg
Sorry
The last comment was not from Mark Beaumont. It was to Mark Beaumont. Thought he might like to purchase that shirt to wear around Bayville.
thanks but no thanks McCain
Tsk tsk sarah palin, guilty of abusing your powers as governor, no wonder you wouldn't cooperate. oh wait you said you would cooperate, hmmmm.
ZZO | October 10, 2008 09:40 PM EST | AP ANCHORAGE, Alaska - A legislative committee investigating Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has found she unlawfully abused her authority in firing the state's public safety commissioner.
Dear Lou:
You asked if Sen Obama "spearheaded" any issue - so I gave you links so that you could take the time to educate yourself on his legislative record and make your own conclusions. Did you look at the links?
I am not going to type all of the votes for you. You can go to www.govrack.us and look up the votes for both Senators this year. But as you know from the news, both have not been voting all that much this year since they are out on the campaign.
Sen McCain voting record:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes.xpd?person=300071
Sen Obama voting record:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes.xpd?person=400629
Mark -
I have no objection, that pic was already in public domain, it was from my interview with the lady Mayors of the North Shore in The Leader. I thought your front page was fun, clean, playful, clever humor on your part. I even sent it off to Jay Mathews at the Washington Post, because I thought he would get a kick out of it. He loved it, told me I should frame it. So I wrote back, "Well, at least he didn't photoshop me in a bikini with an assault rifle". To which he replied, "You mean to tell me that picture of Palin wasn't real?"
I thought he was kidding. I wrote back saying, "Jay, you really should put a little happy face after questions like that so I know when you are being sarcastic". He replied, "I am almost never sarcastic. My question was sincere."
That blew me away! This man is a senior education journalist for the Washington Post and Newsweek. He works just outside of Washington D.C..He is the #1 proponent of IB in this country. Our school district proudly displays his ranking List on its website. He didn't fall off a turnip truck yesterday. How is it possible that he believed that photo of Sarah was real?
And so, I am pleased to announce the world premier of: http://www.truthaboutib.com/
McCAIN/PALIN '08!!
Gosh Darn, Palin misused her power to remove a bad boy from public office, boo hoo.
I hope she uses that same power when she is Vice President to remove those bad boys and girls in our government.
McCain/Palin 2008
Anonymous it would be one thing if the Governor actually got rid of the "bad boy", but she didn't fire her ex-brother-in-law.
The Governor and her husband fired the guy who they were pressuring to have fire the ex-relative. The BIL is still a state trooper in Alaska.
We already know what it's like when yes men are put in positions of authority, heck of job Brownie, no need for another one in DC.
The Governor is no maverick or reformer, she is just the typical pol, who already has proven that she will abuse her authority.
Just what we need, the republicans best possible find for VP has already been found GUILTY in an ethics investigation. Country LAST PERSONAL AGENDAS FIRST.
"Governor Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda..."
"She had the authority and power to require Mr Palin to cease contacting subordinates, but she failed to act," the report added.
OBAMA '08
East Ender,
Troopergate is nothing more than a dirty Obama fueled biased investigation trying to cast aspersions on a decent woman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Efv0kbqOs
I hope oneday if your husband takes a taser to your 10 yr. old child and drinks on the job, if you happen to be fortunate enough to have a sister who is the Governor of the state, she would see that his boss and he got fired from their jobs.
Bottom line, Sarah Palin "was within her rights as the states' chief executive to fire him for just about any reason, even without cause."
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1849399,00.html
East Ender,
Gosh Darn!
Finally a political power that is willing to take those bad boys out.
Nobama '08
McCain/Palin 2008
CR -
Yeah, damn shame that a-hole is still a Trooper. Gosh, do ya think being in the union has anything to do with that?
Speaking of unions, have you seen what the NYC UFT is up to?
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE4998UG20081010
Absolutely disgraceful.
McCAIN/PALIN '08!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8
Looks like there are no more reasons to debate on who should be president on this thread anymore. Obama will win this presidency by a wide margin. He's now leading the polls in Ohio and Missouri, which is a sign of a surefire victory. McCain now looks like a sad old man preaching hate on his campaign trails. The desperation is so obvious, it's turning into a comedy show. McCains' followers at his town meetings now look like hard core racists chanting "off with his (obama's)head." Experts are saying if McCain had held steadfast and stuck to the issues, he'd be in better shape than he is now. Do ya think he's regrettin his choice in VP now?....You betchya!! (wink,wink).
Patriot -
Are you aware that polls are conducted based on "registered" voters? Judging by what ACORN has done to "register" voters, I wouldn't be all that confident in the polls, if I were you.
Like I said before, Obama's lead is so large that if there is in fact a discrepancy from Acorn, it will not effect the vote anyway. Even Foxnews has Obama leading. Say it ain't so Bill O'Reilly:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,427241,00.html
Gosh Darn!
McCain/Palin '08
Did Biden Get It Wrong? You Betcha
Deja Vu
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2103621/posts
So according to Patriot, I can blame the last four years of economic problems on President Kerry...... bwahahahaha!
Lisa- Now YOU are sounding desperate. I guess it runs in the party. Face it, you're just going to have to deal with the fact that a black man will be President of the United States. Personally, I think it's a good thing. Maybe racism will soon pass in this country, making it possible for a right-wing white person to look beyond color and figure out the fact that we have REAL problems in this country.....problems caused by right-wing elitist like Bush, Cheney and McCain!
I must admit that I find the fact that Obama is usually categorized as being black - even by many of his own supporters - as curious. He is, as all but the most ignorant of Republican voters know by now, half black and half white i.e. a half-caste, if such a term is not unpolitically correct these days, which it probably is.
I consider him a very typical example of the blending of the multiracial and multicultural population of this country. If race is an issue at all, the very fact that he crosses such boundaries because of his heritage should be a wonderful advantage, surely, not a hindrance. There is a very real chance, finally, that those who can see no further than their own little corner of life, whether that be in terms of race or community, may finally realise that America, and the world, have moved on, and that they need to be part of it, or stagnate.
And no, that doesn't mean the country has gone to the dogs, either. I'm more conservative than liberal: I believe in the traditional family and many of the values and beliefs that Republicans like to trumpet as their own. But the difference, I guess, is that I am not blind to the fact that "life is not always like that", and so am more tolerant, perhaps, of those, who through fate or decision, have made or have had to make different choices. If it makes me liberal to care about such people, so be it. But these things are not black and white (pun intended!).
I feel sad every time I see one of our sugary TV soaps showcasing "the average family" and think how wrenching it must be for certain youngsters to watch such stuff when they don't even know who their fathers are, are living in poverty or have other such challenges.
And so, yet again, I worth it stating my own view here that over and above "the issues", Barack Obama is the better man to take this country forward at this time. He will face the same challenges domestically as John McCain would do if he were elected, but will be able to do a far better job internationally. He's the fresh face that America needs.
Mark
Patriot -
Desperate? No, just looking at history and facts.
You said>>>>>>>>>>He's now leading the polls in Ohio and Missouri, which is a sign of a surefire victory. >>>>>>>>>>
Surprise! Obviously, it's NOT a surefire sign of victory. And if you take a look at the date on the article, it was even closer to election day than we are now. No victory is surefire till the battle is finished. Such was the case with John Kerry. Your insistence that an Obama presidency is a foregone conclusion makes you appear very foolish.
It doesn't matter to me if Obama is black, white, green or purple. His politics are FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG. He is morally and ethically conflicted. I would have more respect for the man on all counts if he exhibited some consistency in his values and proposed actions. I still wouldn't vote for him, but I would have more respect. For example, 1. he opposed the war in Iraq. Fine. Oppose ALL war, don't threaten to invade Pakistan and expand our troops in Afghanistan. 2. He belonged to the same church for 20 years. Fine, don't quit that church just because it comes under political scrutiny.If that's what you believe, then stand by your beliefs. 3. He voted 94 times for tax increases. Don't promise 95% of the American populace tax cuts when he's never voted for a single tax cut in his political career. 4. Have some pride in the country you want to be President of. Obama told an audience (specifically in response to a 7 yr. old girl's question) that "America isn't the country it USED to be" and his wife said "For the first time in her adult life, she is proud of this country". 5. Obama is the product of Affirmative Action and after receiving his Ivy League education (his school records strangely vague and unavailable) acted as attorney for ACORN to sue Chicago banks for alleged "redlining" on behalf of poor minorities who couldn't afford homes.6. Obama has voted against laws restricting late term/live birth abortions, nuclear power and off shore drilling. Now that he's running for president, he has flipped his position.
Obama's past does not reflect the rhetoric he promises for the "future". He can rally a crowd, he can promise a sweet potato pie contest, but represent MY America? No way.
NObama!!!!
Mark -
You find it "curious"? I find that absolutely bizarre. You know, there are black people who attend St. Dominics or St. Pats. They are members of a Catholic congregation who attend church because they believe in the Catholic doctrine. Those churches are not segregated. Black worshippers are welcomed equally with white, Hispanic, etc. Even the Baptist churches in our area have white attendees. But Barack Obama belonged to TUCC for 20 YEARS! He was married in that church and had his children baptized in that church. Obama's church proclaims itself as UNASHAMEDLY BLACK with its own BLACK VALUE SYSTEM:
http://www.trinitychicago.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=114
In other words, no WHITES allowed! It is militant reverse racism and if you can't see that, you really must have blinders on.
McCain is very, very smart to tell voters that the issue of Rev. Wright is "off the table". It is brilliant reverse psychology. A zebra can't change its stripes or a leopard its spots. Despite his mantra of CHANGE, the only thing that will CHANGE under an Obama presidency are the loss of dignity, wealth and rights of the white middle class.
Interestingly, TUCC has recently purged its website of all of the truly racist commentary and even schedule of its past activities. Imagine that. (link to follow in next post)
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=c19d4d91-618e-40d3-a5d9-c07d7a87a5ba
Flawed logic:
1. he opposed the war in Iraq. Fine. Oppose ALL war, don't threaten to invade Pakistan and expand our troops in Afghanistan.
-Perhaps he opposed the war in Iraq because he had a better sense that the reasoning behind it was flawed? There were no weapons of mass destruction as we know now.
2. He belonged to the same church for 20 years. Fine, don't quit that church just because it comes under political scrutiny.If that's what you believe, then stand by your beliefs.
There are many now in Bayville that have decided to leave a local Catholic Church because they have learned of an incident that occurred - church is a personal decision. That is why we have separation of church and state. Church should have no influence over our government.
Incorrect statement:
3. He voted 94 times for tax increases. Don't promise 95% of the American populace tax cuts when he's never voted for a single tax cut in his political career.
I guess you don't look at factcheck unless it helps your arguments - they say this statement is incorrect
from factcheck.org:
McCain said Obama voted 94 times to increase taxes, which is way off. He's now saying it's 94 votes either for increased taxes or against tax cuts. But that's still misleading. Seven of the votes were for lowering taxes for most people while increasing them on a few, and 11 votes were for increasing taxes only on those making more than $1 million a year (not "your taxes" except for a very few.)
Flawed logic from person who is not a minority:
4. Have some pride in the country you want to be President of. Obama told an audience (specifically in response to a 7 yr. old girl's question) that "America isn't the country it USED to be" and his wife said "For the first time in her adult life, she is proud of this country".
America can do better - there is still much racism in this county - and if you have not experienced it, you cannot understand what it is like for those who have. I am hopeful that we are getting to a point where racism will be a thing of the past.
Incorrect statement:
5. Obama is the product of Affirmative Action and after receiving his Ivy League education (his school records strangely vague and unavailable)
Affirmative Action does not decide who is president of law review. You are elected to that position. Only the best and brightest make it onto law review. Ask your friends and neighbors who are attorneys if they made law review and if so, how hard it was to obtain the grades needed for that position.
Please stop posting incorrect information as you are misleading others who may not have time to check your statements.
Hypocrisy every which way to Sunday
>>>>>>>>>Church should have no influence over our government.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Well I agree with that Anonymous. So then you must agree that the Ministries who have filed an actual lawsuit to retain their tax-exempt status because telling a 501c3 that it can't advocate for one political party, candidate, etc are incorrect, right?
You can't have it both ways. You can't claim your freedom of speech is being violated and get away without paying taxes to the government. You want to espouse partisanship in a given church, fine, go ahead, do so, but start paying your tithe to the government for the privilege of your right to do so.
You know what I propose? (as Sarah's replacement, that is) I propose that if those ministries WIN that lawsuit, that every opinion writer/journalist in the country be given tax exempt status as well. How does that sit with you?
Anonymous:
Perhaps you didn't see or hear the whole speech I was referring to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR_GJviltL4
Please listen from start to finish. Thank you.
Lisa-In my experience, most people that use the line "It doesn't matter if he's black, white, green or purple" are completely and utterly full of crap. To most die hard right-wingers like yourself....it DOES matter. You know it and I know it!
Obama is getting my vote for his stance on health care alone. McCains' $5,000 credit stance on health care is laughable. If you can't see that the $5,000 will be taxed and given back to the insurance companies, you're either stupid or you're the CEO of Empire Blue Cross. Obama also talked about new laws protecting patients with pre-existing conditions. McCain said NOTHING about it. To me, the economy and heath care are the 2 most important issues and Obama's stance on both far exceeds the views of McCain.
And ya know what Patriot? People like you that don't take my word that the color of his skin makes no difference to me, and call me "full of crap", are nothing but Left-wing, dishonest delusional low-lifes who fancy themselves as elite and superior by spewing their one-way reverse "tolerance" to relieve their guilty consciences by hoping to portray Republicans and Conservatives as racist. And I don't care what color you are either!
YOU are playing the race card.
YOU are breeding mistrust and divisiveness, not unity
YOU are making false accusations as to what I believe and don't believe.
YOU are wrong, my fellow American.
If Barack Obama really wanted unity and positive change, why didn't he pick Hillary for VP? She had 18 Million supporters. Don't you think Hillary, if she had the chance, would have chosen Obama for VP? We'll never know for sure, but I think she would have.
Lisa - why did you not address the fact that you were incorrect on your post with regard to taxes as set forth in factcheck.org? Do you want to correct your prior post with misleading information?
Anonymous:
From Newsweek, a decidedly left-leaning magazine:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/144518
>>>>>>>>>>"It's true that most of the votes the GOP counts would either have increased taxes for some, or set budget targets calling for such increases.">>>>>>>>>
Imagine that. So you can try and deny and play semantics with the issue if you like. I suppose you also support the Global Poverty Tax Obama is currently sponsoring. Tell me, how many times did Obama vote against raising taxes or against earmarks? The silence is defeaning, anonymous. If he had a record of doing so, it would be plastered all over the media. His record in this area is non-existent. He has wracked up almost a million in earmarks for every day he has been in the Senate. That's a sin.
Now, why don't you reply to the blatant hypocrisy of Obama's campaign. Let's start on the point you and I agreed on, churches should not be involved in government. Your turn.
From the same newsweek article quoted by Lisa:
Of the 94 votes:
Twenty-three were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all; they were against proposed tax cuts.
Seven of the votes were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, while raising them on a relative few, either corporations or affluent individuals.
Eleven votes the GOP is counting would have increased taxes on those making more than $1 million a year – in order to fund programs such as Head Start and school nutrition programs, or veterans' health care.
The GOP sometimes counted two, three and even four votes on the same measure. We found their tally included a total of 17 votes on seven measures, effectively padding their total by 10.
The majority of the 94 votes – 53 of them, including some mentioned above – were on budget measures, not tax bills, and would not have resulted in any tax change. Four other votes were non-binding motions related to conference report negotiations.
So Lisa - when will you admit that the figure you gave in your prior email was incorrect as per factcheck.org and newsweek and was misleading?
Both candidates should be banned from saying "fundamental", "look" and "my friends" !!
OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA
2008 2012
Anonymous:
>>>>>>>>The majority of the 94 votes – 53 of them, including some mentioned above – were on budget measures, not tax bills, and would not have resulted in any tax change.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I'll retract my statement when Newsweek gets past its own contradictions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"It's true that most of the votes the GOP counts would either have increased taxes for some, or set budget targets calling for such increases.">>>>>>>>>>>
Increase the budgets, taxes go up. Check you school tax bill if you don't believe me.
Of course an Obama supporter wants to limit and censor free speech. Hahaha, so funny.
Now run along and have a nice slice of sweet potato pie!
McCain/Palin '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lisa - I guess it's ok for you to spin others words, (particularly those who have different views from you) despite your own blogging requirements - you previously posted in this very thread "...you really should put a little happy face after questions like that so I know when you are being sarcastic" Did you miss my smiley face? Please explain your sweet potato pie reference.
OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA
2008 2012
East Ender... Sweet Potato Pie is a Southern dish originating in Mississippi which is particularly popular with African Americans. Obama has made several references to his liking for this pie recently; most notably at a rally in Germantown, PA, the other day. It seems that a certain right winger in this forum finds this worth highlighting.
If she mentions watermelon, you've got her in a corner
I don't mean to preempt Lisa's own explanation of her comment to you, however, which no doubt will be forthcoming and will be of interest.
Mark
well McCain must be Presidential, he said today he wanted Obama to be where he is today... 9pts ahead just 22 days before the election - well I guess his plan is working - whoda thunk it?
PS. Thanks Mark!
Everyone - Try the sweet potato fries at the luncheonette, they are great!
East Ender:
>>>>>>>>>>>Did you miss my smiley face?>>>>>>>>> Nope. Did you miss my "hahahaha, so funny?"
And Mark's explanation of sweet potato pie is just fine and dandy. Of course, with my sick sense of humor, when Obama mentioned his fondness for SP pie, it reminded me of back in the days when the Beatles said that they liked "jelly babies" and at every concert, fans would throw tons of jelly babies on stage. Much to my amusement, I immediately pictured Obama fans tossing sweet potato pies at their candidate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelly_Babies
Thanks for the heads up on the Luncheonette fries, EE. If I recall, the sweet potato fries sold at the Oyster Festival (it's this weekend, folks!) are pretty dandy too.
Seems like a good moment to check up on the recipe for the pie, don't you think? From allrecipes.com:
SWEET POTATO PIE
INGREDIENTS
1 (1 pound) sweet potato
1/2 cup butter, softened
1 cup white sugar
1/2 cup milk
2 eggs
1/2 teaspoon ground nutmeg
1/2 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
1 (9 inch) unbaked pie crust
DIRECTIONS
Boil sweet potato whole in skin for 40 to 50 minutes, or until done. Run cold water over the sweet potato, and remove the skin.
Break apart sweet potato in a bowl. Add butter, and mix well with mixer. Stir in sugar, milk, eggs, nutmeg, cinnamon and vanilla. Beat on medium speed until mixture is smooth. Pour filling into an unbaked pie crust.
Bake at 350 degrees F (175 degrees C) for 55 to 60 minutes, or until knife inserted in center comes out clean. Pie will puff up like a souffle, and then will sink down as it cools.
But for those sitting on the far right, I can suggest:
SWEET POTATO McPIE
1 (1 pound) sweet nothings
1/2 cup buttery talk, softened
1 cup white sugar (we'll keep that in)
1/2 cup moose milk
2 eagle eggs
1/2 teaspoon ground wolf
1/2 teaspoon ground beehive
1 teaspoon vanilla mindset
1 (9 inch) unbaked policy
DIRECTIONS
Mumble sweet nothings to "my friends" for 40 to 50 minutes, or until tired. Run cold water over the issues, and remove the facts. Break apart Democratic policy in a bowl. Add butter, and mix well with Miss Baked Alaska. Stir in yet more sugar, milk, eggs, nutmeg, cinnamon, vanilla mindset and anything else you can think of at this stage. Beat on medium speed until audience is riled. Drill, baby, drill.
Talk at 350 degrees F (175 degrees C) for 55 to 60 minutes, or until knife inserted in opponent is well twisted. McPie will puff up like a souffle, and then will sink down as he cools.
Mark
Thanks for the recipe Mark!
And dont forget to pick up your fresh nutmeg /cinnamon along with your double fold Madagascar Organic Vanilla Extract from http://www.silverbayspices.com. Free local delivery of course.
Jeff
SHARE THE WEALTH
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" ~Karl Marx
"Higher taxes are not to punish you, but to help share the wealth, it's good for everybody." ~Barack Obama to Joe the Ohio Plumber
Mark -
Thank you for those delightful recipes! We should have a bake-off! But of course, this blog wouldn't be fair and balanced unless we had a recipe for Liberal Potatoe Pie, right?
SWEET POTATO OBAMINATION PIE
1 (1 pound) sweet potatoes
1/2 cup buttheads
1 cup brown sugar
1/2 cup powdered milk (distributed on the bread line)
2 fertilized late term eggs
1/2 teaspoon ground nutty meg
1/2 teaspoon ground ACORN
1 teaspoon commie mindset
1 (9 inch) half-baked crust
DIRECTIONS
CHANGE the old directions you've followed for the past 8 years. Follow mine for the next 40 to 50 minutes, or until you regain consciousness and realize I've given you a recipe for disaster. Obfuscate the directions with empty platitudes, flip flop repeatedly. Break apart the ideals of our Founding Fathers and Consitution in a bowl. Add buttheads (some Nancy Pelosi is particularly preferred), and mix well so that all will be assimilated. Stir in yet more sugar, milk, eggs, nuttymeg, cinnamon, commie mindset and anything else you can think of at this stage. Beat on medium speed until audience is satisfactorily brainwashed. Blather at 350 degrees F (175 degrees C) for 55 to 60 minutes, or until knife inserted in opponent is well twisted into the heart of American democracy. Unfortunately, the Obamination Pie will never rise, it will fall flat, and no matter how high you turn up the heat, it will still remain half-baked.
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=195153
If u go to 711 the only coffee cups left r nobama
looks like the 711 groupies prefer coffee in the McCain cup
>>>looks like the 711 groupies prefer coffee in the McCain cup>>>
Yep, that follows. You betcha. Don't dent your monster truck on the way out.
Lisa, I've been dying to add a few ingredients to your recipe which is missing a measure of truth. I'm having your problem, however, of posts not posting. Ah well, we tried.
I just wish that, for your sake, you had a bit more support around here apart from McAnonymous, as I admire your persistence if not your misguided views. But then, we've seen the polls... I think your friends must have all defected to Mr. Cool.
Now, to pour a refined beverage and settle down to watch McChallenged "whip" our next President in Debate 3. Not.
Mark
Mark,
Well I'm glad to see that the Bayville Blog is bipartisan when it comes to not allowing posts to go up.
Anonymous,
A friend of mine went into a 7-11 in Virginia and all they had out were Obama cups. He said, quite loudly, "What's this goddam crap? Where are the McCain cups! And no, he doesn't drive a monster truck or have a gun-rack on the back.
We probably won't know until January who wins this election. There are going to be more challenges than you can shake a stick at.
>>>We probably won't know until January who wins this election. There are going to be more challenges than you can shake a stick at.>>>
Oink flap, oink flap...
Mark
Be advised The Blog is not blocking any content by anyone. Please check your formatting. If you are copying content directly from Word before posting that may be the issue, try copying and pasting from notepad into this forum since it is a CSS site.
Jeff Silver
McCain/Palin 08
Lisa/Mark-
Be advised The Blog is not blocking any content by anyone. Please check your formatting. If you are copying content directly from Word before posting that may be the issue, try copying and pasting from notepad into this forum since it is a CSS site.
Jeff Silver
McCain/Palin 08
Jeff -
I have no idea what a CSS site is. I am not copying anything from Word. The problem is on your end in terms of generating a box that states "Success! Your post has been submitted for moderation" and then it never appears.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI
Lisa
What Jeff means there is that the site is set up for Cascading Style Sheets: that is, the font/layout formatting is set up by the web master back-of-house, and so plain text from Notepad would display fine and would negate the possibility that any funny formatting is being imported from Word.
However, that is not the issue. When I had the problem the other night, I wrote both directly into the blog and also tried pasting from Notepad; both brought up the same "Success!" box that you generated. I was well within the word limit, too. So there's something in Jeff's site architecture that is causing this; Jeff, perhaps whoever originally structured this blog's design could shed light on this mystery message?
So Lisa and all, what did you think of Debate 3? It comes, perhaps, as no surprise that I feel that Senator Obama won the day, remaining focused on the issues and calmly and fully responding to Senator McCain's expected attacks; but certainly McCain put on a stronger showing than in the previous two debates. Doesn't change the fact that his emotional pleas to his audience (and, tiresomely and repeatedly, Joe the Ohio Plumber) was pretty light in substance. I didn't hear much about future Republican policy from him last night apart from "My friends, I know about these things, and I can fix them".
Yeah, right. Lisa?
Mark
Lisa
Again, you manage to dig up extremist YouTube footage from wacky wasters! How do you find the time to grub about for all this stuff?
It's edited to heck, of course, but the main message is clear. Thing is, I see the "liberal outrage" you seek to expose quite differently; I see the reactions in the clip as illustrating the general, not liberal, depth of distate - nay, disgust - for the Administration's policies of the past eight years. Unlike any previous election, there is now a profound desire across the land to change the way this country is run. With a McCain/Palin win, that change won't happen. With Obama/Palin, it has a chance. If anyone can overcome the polarizing divide in this country right now, it's them.
Mark
Mark,
I'm sorry, did you say you thought Obama won the debate? There were no winners. The American public, however, are the biggest losers. I did think the moderator did a good job. How these "independents" can't have made up their minds yet is incomprehensible to me. Never, in the history of this country, has there been such a chasm between political ideology.
Joe the Plumber is a hero. Obama sat there and lied to Joe the Plumber. He said "I won't increase taxes on small businesses" and he even accidentally reduced the cutoff level from $250,000 to $200,000! Do you honestly believe that all of the small businesses around here don't pull in more than $250,000 a year? Bayville Pharmacy? IGA? Marty's Party? Twin Harbor Restaurant? The Beverage? Get real! ALL of those businesses will have to pay higher taxes, have to cut back on their waitstaff and employees, so that Obama can "spread the wealth" to those nice folks fishing under the bridge. He lied about agreeing to take public funds for his campain and then going private. He lied about his campaign kickoff in Ayers living room. By finally announcing that he and Ayers worked on the Annenberg Challenge together, he proved that he lied about Ayers being "just a guy in the neighborhood". He wants an "army" of teachers - as though the AFT and the NEA aren't powerful enough already. I would have been thrilled if either of the candidates mentioned tenure reform, but it didn't happen.
You seem like an intelligent fellow, Mark. I just wish you would listen to Obama's words, not just his eloquent spewage, but what he really intends to do. Thank you for backing me up on the "technical difficulties"
Mark,
What I saw was rude, crude, vulgar, disgusting behavior exhibited by New Yorkers towards fellow New Yorkers who were marching peacefully. I didn't see George Bush marching with the group. Score a big point for McCain last night when he said to Obama, "I am not George Bush. If you wanted to run against Bush you should have run four years ago." My daughter and her boyfriend attend school in NYC. They are both registered Republicans. I am AFRAID for them. That isn't "tolerance" from the Left. That isn't respect for "Freedom of speech and the right to peaceably assemble". Those were intimidation and bullying tactics employed by delusional whackos. It made me sick.
If Obama is elected, all checks and balances in this country get tossed out the window. Your Pelosis, Dodds, Schumers and Franks (and God help us possibly Al Franken) will be running this country into the toilet with a Democratic house majority. It simply amazes me how the Left, in attempting to blame Bush for the economic crisis, fails to accept any responsibility for the Democratic House's blockage of measures which might have staved off this crisis and completely ignore the fact that 7 years ago, the most horrific murder of American citizens ever to take place in history happened right here in NY. No other President had to deal with a similar situation except perhaps FDR and Pearl Harbor.
Oh, and I found that youtube video on Bill O'Reilly's site.
Hey, you missed my Bushism! So you won't vote for Obama/Palin?
I meant to write Obama/Biden, of course. Whoops. Don't think an Obama/Palin ticket would work, somehow
My own favorite quote of the night: "Your negative attacks say more about your campaign than they do about me."
I wouldn't worry too much about your daughter. Your YouTube clip has a dubbed soundtrack on top of its heavy editing and is ridiculously one-sided, as I am sure you must actually realize. The same author drags up the Nazi/Obama comparison in other clips. Now that kind of rhetoric from Republicans IS something to be concerned about. Witness the extremism at recent McCain and Palin rallies. Governor Palin is being particularly divisive in her appeals to the lowest common denominator of the Republican voter base.
Not sure why you mention 9/11 as you do. Senator Obama is as keen to go after Bin Laden and Al Qaeda as anybody, but just doesn't share the view that we should have invaded, in response, a country that had nothing to do with the attacks at all.
Mark
Lisa write : "Do you honestly believe that all of the small businesses around here don't pull in more than $250,000 a year?"
Well that depends, does anyone know if the 250,000 is the gross or net income on which taxes are normally calculated? Lots of small businesses have lots of writeoffs.
OBAMA 08!!!
Mark -
It's fascinating how Obama's fellow Annenberg Board members are just now coming to light. Considering that Ayers is an unrepentent domestic terrorist and another is pro-PLO, it doesn't give me much confidence that Obama would go after Bin Laden.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=57231
Btw, do you approve of the Obama supporters who wore T-shirts that read "Palin is a c--t"? Are they just exuberant Obama supporters expressing their right to free speech?
Lovely, just lovely.
EastEnder:
That's a very good question. Why don't you see if you can get a straight answer from the Obama campaign?
I love your sources, Lisa. Your latest, WorldNetDaily.com, has some wonderful headlines under the one you highlight. My fave is: 'I took drugs, had homo sex with Obama'. Yippee! At last the truth can come out
>>>>Btw, do you approve of the Obama supporters who wore T-shirts that read "Palin is a c--t"? Are they just exuberant Obama supporters expressing their right to free speech?>>>>
Of course not. There is a difference between free speech and offensive behaviour. Don't encourage me to dig out some of the racist T-shirts that have been widely offered by Republican supporters, as even you might be surprised (and in any case, I wouldn't link them to this forum). The bottom line is that there are idiots on both sides of the fence; but can't we try to keep the conversation here at a higher level? Kids can read too.
Mark
Mark,
Oh, because I bring up the offensive T-shirts worn at an Obama rally in response to your comment about who is running the more negative campaign, you have the audacity to lecture me about kids reading this forum too? But it's ok for you to highlight "homo sex"? Please Mark, do not even THINK of taking that supercilious tone with me.
Clearly, one side of the fence has ruder, more arrogant, vulgar and disturbed idiots than the other. But I'm sure the ACLU will be happy to defend those Palin T-shirt wearers' "right" to wear them.
McCain/Palin '08!
Yes Lisa I finally can agree with you. One side of the fence has ruder, more arrogant, vulgar and disturbed idiots then the other and you represent them so well here.
It all very funny because regardless of screaming on the Bayville Blog McCain is down and Obama's going to win. And according to some here, "If Obama is elected, all checks and balances in this country get tossed out the window." which sounds suspiciously like 'If Obama gets elected there goes the neighborhood'
Charlie -
Yes, that's very astute reasoning on your part. Equate the Constitution's establishment of a governmental system of checks and balances with racism. Brilliant.
CR -
Grow up.
Hey LM if the shoe fits, and that's what's so great about a blog, I don't have to grow up, I could be an eleven year old kid. Then again I could be a 50 something house wife. But regardless and most comforting is that at the end of the day, specifically November 4th, your vote LM won't count. Thank you electoral college, or as I call it EC.
In case anyone is interested in Obamas health care plan I thought I might enlighten you.
For all of those small business's out there you will be exempt in offering health care coverage for your employees!
What does that mean?
Well, you do not have to shell out any money any more for health care for all of your employees. Yes, a majority of the middle class will not get health care coverage because your employer who owns a small business does not have to offer you coverage.
So all of those contractors, plumbers, law firms etc. will be exempt under Obamas plan.
Hey PTS I have a secret I want to tell you, small businesses don't have to offer health insurance to their employees now.
You are all familiar with Canada's health system?
Well, I have met more than my share of young people that have come here for cardiac surgery!
Why because they want to live.
Because their socialized health system will not allow them to have surgery, to live.
Simple cardiac cath's, stents etc. that could save their lives but their system will not allow them to have it, they must go on a waiting list.
So what do they do?
They come here, barter for a price with the CFO of a health care facility and go where they can afford their procedure.
Yes, they shop for what we take for granted.
Well folks we also have a socialized system it is called medicaid and private insurance.
Our insurance companies are already telling us what and what not we can have, euthanasia.
We have the best system in the world but because of private insurance, AKA lawyers, it has become difficult for anyone to afford on their own.
So we rely on our employers to offer a package at a lower rate. But everyone employed by a small business will loose their lower cost package under OBAMA.
Neither candidate has a solution but with OBAMAS plan many will loose what little they have.
Yes, the middle class small business will get richer because they won't be required to shell out 5,000 to 10,000 per employee to pay for their health care.
Hey concernd resident,
Legal small business's do...and if they don't that is why so many Americans do not have health insurance!
PTS - Where do you get your information? There is no such requirement that small businesses provide health care for their employees. legal or otherwise. Please enlighten us.
Sorry PTS you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Small business doesn't have to offer employees health insurance, large business doesn't have to offer health insurance, no business has to offer health insurance.
A quick Google on this brings up this article from the Washington Post in January of this year:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/small-business/2008/01/study_most_small_firms_dont_of.html
Here's another reference with a few numbers of interest:
http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml
Mark
Hope you Obama supporters are watching the latest polls which you are counting on for victory. Gallup puts the two candidates within the statistical margin of error, in other words, a dead heat.
Guess maybe a lot of Americans aren't too fond of hearing that they are going to have to share their wealth.
BTW looks like the 250,000 figure is AFTER business expenses. Oh and Joe the plumber turned out to be quite the "Joe Six PAck" hunh? behind on taxes, unlicensed and buying a company that makes far less than 250,000. oops.
here's a quote from the NYT; "Mr. Wurzelbacher told reporters that the company he works for, Newell Plumbing & Heating, has two full-time employees: himself and the owner, Al Newell.
Neither Mr. Newell nor Mr. Wurzelbacher responded to telephone calls. And Mr. Wurzelbacher has provided only vague information on his and the company’s finances since talking to Mr. Obama. But if the plumbing business remained a two-person company and the net proceeds — after deductions for business expenses — were shared by the two men, both incomes would most likely fall well below the top tax brackets on which Mr. Obama wants to raise rates, as would the company itself.
Both, in fact, would probably be eligible for a tax cut, said Bob Williams, senior research associate at the independent, nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, though the cut would probably be greater under Mr. McCain’s tax plan than Mr. Obama’s."
OBAMA/BIDEN!
2008 2012 2016
Extend term limits!
What is most delightful about Mr. Wurzelbacher is that he won't state publicly for whom he will vote. "That's between me and the button", he says, which certainly does not discount the possibility of him voting for Senator Obama. I suspect that we won't hear much more about Joe The Plumber from Senator McCain.
Polls... +6.8 spread to Obama as of yesterday, averaging polls; forgive me if I am not as selective as some:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/
I don't see Senator McCain scrabbling his way back up the slippery slope, now that he has run out of ideas and is simply flinging mud. Senator Obama answered all his charges in Debate 3.
Now, he's just Biden his time
Mark
East Ender -
Oh, because Joe the Plumber didn't respond to the NYT's telephone calls, you think he hasn't had any follow up interviews? I've seen at least two. And isn't it just like the NYT to now attempt to vilify and criminalize this hard working American citizen for having the audacity to ask The One a question. Where does the NYT get off speculating whether or not the company will remain a two person company? It's none of their damn business!
I'm glad Joe the Plumber won't say who he's voting for. That is his right and privilege as an American citizen. But if after seeing that exchange and watching Joe's body language (the folding of his arms after Obama's "share the wealth, it's good for everybody" comment) for Mark to "not discount the possibility of him voting for Senator Obama" exhibits a complete lack of ability to read people.
Biden his time?
Biden can't count!
Three letter word - JOBS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-eeWow_WU
There was a father who was proud when his daughter came home from college.
She had a 4.0 grade point average, had studied hard, and was also really proud of her accomplishments.
She was also leaning toward the Democratic party because many of her friends were, and she believed in taxes to "help the poor and the middle class".
To make a point about goverment, her father asked her what she would think if the dean of her school suddenly knocked 1.0 off of her grade point average, taking her down to 3.0.
"We'll give it to your friend Suzy," he said. "She's not doing as well as you are, so we'll bring her grade point average up to a 3.0 also."
"That wouldn't be fair at all!" the daughter replied, clearly outraged. "Suzy doesn't study at all and is out partying all the time. I spend most of my free time studying... I've even lost sleep on a lot of nights preparing for tests that Suzy just coasts through. She deserves a 'C' or 'D' average."
"Congratulations," said the father. "Now you understand the Republican point of view."
Lovely. And old fable, but one that well illustrates the Republican ethic of the haves and the have nots. Why bother educating the poor, after all?
Mark
>>for Mark to "not discount the possibility of him voting for Senator Obama" exhibits a complete lack of
ability to read people.>>
Careful, Lisa, you're grabbing at straws too now! McCain/McLoughlin!
At least I can read the papers. I'm thinking of sending them on to Governor Palin when I've finished with them.
Mark
>>I'm glad Joe the Plumber won't say who he's voting for. That is his right and privilege as an American citizen>>
Well, of course. But he'll tell us soon enough when the papers/lobbyists/film companies/book agents and other such media types start waving the greenbacks! He's up in NY for the TV shows shortly. He'll just have to be careful he stays under $250,00 this year!
Mark
east ender,
exactly my point...that is why so many Americans do not have health insurance.
why should we support someone that will continue to allow small business to be exempt from offering health insurance?
you know, i can't stand this blog
and i am getting really exhausted from the political crap...who is better
frankly, elect obama and we can blame all of the future problems on him.
but why should we forfeit an already working system, i agree...it needs fixing, to a social system?
if you need enlightening, i don't have the time to educate you, please look it up
mark,
according to reuters obama will need at least a 10% lead to win.
and they are predicting that most will change their minds when they vote.
good luck anyway.
penny syrett
Hi Anonymous Penny,
Can't stand the blog? I know where you are coming from but, heck, you don't HAVE to read it. It's no worse than all the talking heads on the box, anyway, in fact probably tamer. I only post here because this is important, this time. I only wish more on the Republican side read a few papers from outside this country. Explained that before, so won't repeat it all.
Most will change their mind? Lisa's Bradley effect? You know, I really don't think so, but my view is as subjective as yours and Lisa's. What a sad way that would be for McCain to come through, though.
Back to cooking... the alarm just went
Mark
mark,
i am guilty...i read the blog!
it is very entertaining!
p-
Lyrics to Bushleaguer by Pearl Jam about George W Bush and the elitist Republican morons (I capitalized my 2 favorite lines):
How does he do it? How do they do it? Uncanny and immutable.
This is such a happening tailpipe of a party.
Like sugar, the guests are so refined,
A confidence man, but why so beleaguered?
He's not a leader, he's a Texas leaguer
Swinging for the fence, got lucky with a strike
Drilling for fear, makes the job simple
BORN ON THIRD, THINKS HE GOT A TRIPLE
Blackout weaves its way through the cities
Blackout weaves its way through the cities
Blackout weaves its way,...
I remember when you sang
That song about today
Now it's tomorrow and
Everything has changed
A think tank of aloof multiplication
A nicotine wish and a columbus decanter
Retrenchment and hoggishness
The aristocrat choir sings
"What's the ruckus?"
THE HAVES HAVE NOT A CLUE
The immenseness of suffering
And the odd negotiation, a rarity
With onionskin plausibility of life,
And a keyboard reaffirmation
Blackout weaves its way through the cities
Blackout weaves its way through the cities
Blackout weaves its way,...
I remember when you sang
That song about today
Now it's tomorrow and
Everything has changed
Again, LOL
Swing low sweet charity someone is gonna carry me home
Anonymous -
Is LOL a four letter word?
NYC teachers (UFT) lose suit to wear Obama/Biden buttons in school - awwwwwwww, poor babies.
http://www.uft.org/news/opinion08-8702.pdf
Found this interesting. This is a letter by Huntley Brown -(An African Americam Concerto Pianist)to his friends in October 2008
Posted on Snopes and confirmed as valid
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/huntleybrown.asp
Why I Can't Vote For Obama
By Huntley Brown
Dear Friends,
A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama, I
sent out an email with a few points. With the election just around the
corner I decided to complete my perspective. Those of you on my e-list
have seen some of this before but it's worth repeating...
First I must say whoever wins the election will have my prayer support.
Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments but I need to explain
why I will not be voting for him.
Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness. I
process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower)
means He leads I follow. I can't dictate the terms He does because He is
the leader.
I can't vote black because I am black; I have to vote Christian because
that's who I am. Christian first, black second. Neither should anyone
from the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now
I won't be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I knew Jesus
and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.
In an election there are many issues to consider but when a society gets
abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning
to name a few, wrong economic concerns will soon not matter.
We need to follow Martin Luther King's words, don't judge someone by the
color of their skin but by the content of their character. I don't know
Obama so all I can go off is his voting record. His voting record earned
him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate in 2007.
NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)
To beat Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton as the most liberal senator, takes
some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in 2 short years. I wonder what
would happen to America if he had four years to work with.
>Continued from Above<
There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100% rating. There is a
reason the homosexual community supports him. There is a reason
Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc. love him. There is a reason he
said he would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court. There is a
reason he voted against the infanticide bill. There is a reason he voted
No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. There is a reason he
voted No on banning partial birth abortion. There is a reason he voted No
on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito. These two judges are
conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The
same practice Obama wanted to continue.
Let's take a look at the practice he wanted to continue
The 5 Step Partial Birth Abortion procedures:
A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps. (Remember this is a live baby)
B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.
D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead
baby is then removed.
God help him. There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification
law.
Think about this: You can't give a kid an aspirin without parental
notification but that same kid can have an abortion without parental
notification. This is insane.
There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years.
Obama tells us he has good judgment but he sat under Jeremiah Wright
teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning Wright's sermons. I wonder why
now?
Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and discipled him. A
disciple is one in training. Jesus told us in Matthew 28:19 - 20 "Go and
make disciples of all nations." This means reproduce yourself. Teach
people to think like you, walk like you; talk like you believe what you
believe etc. The question I have is what did Jeremiah Wright teach him?
Would you support a White President who went to a church which has tenets
that said they have a ...
1. Commitment to the White Community
2. Commitment to the White Family
3. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills
available to the White Community.
5. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for
Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
6. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the
White Value System
7. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.
Would you support a President who went to a church like that?
Continued
Just change the word from white to black and you have the tenets of
Obama's former church. If President Bush was a member of a church like
this, he would be called a racist. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would
have been marching outside.
This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake up after 20
years and just discovered he went to a racist church. The church can't be
about race. Jesus did not come for any particular race. He came for the
whole world.
A church can't have a value system based on race. The churches value
system has to be based on biblical mandate. It does not matter if
itʼs a white church or a black church it's still wrong. Anyone from
either race that attends a church like this would never get my vote.
Obama's former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal theologian
James Cone, author of the 1970 book A Black Theology of Liberation. Cone
once wrote: "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified
totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and
against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.
Cone is the man Obama's mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this?
So what does all this mean for the nation?
In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to
lead a nation it meant one thing - judgment.
Continued
Read 1 Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king. First God says in 1 Samuel
1:9 "Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the
king who will reign over them will do."
Then God says
1 Samuel 1:18 " When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the
king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day." 19
But the people refused to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We want a
king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king
to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles." 21 When Samuel
heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The
LORD answered, "Listen to them and give them a king."
Here is what we know for sure.
God is not schizophrenic
He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to vote for McCain.
As the scripture says, a city divided against itself cannot stand, so
obviously many people are not hearing from God.
Maybe I am the one not hearing but I know God does not change and Obama
contradicts many things I read in scripture so I doubt it.
For all my friends who are voting for Obama can you really look God in the
face and say; Father based on your word, I am voting for Obama even though
I know he will continue the genocidal practice of partial birth abortion.
He might have to nominate three or four Supreme Court justices, and I am
sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making laws that are
against you. I also know he will continue to push for homosexual rights,
even though you destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look
the other way because of the economy.
I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama's positions. Finally I
have two questions for all my liberal friends.
Since we know someone's value system has to be placed on the nation,
1. Whose value system should be placed on the nation.
2. Who should determine that this is the right value system for the
nation?
Blessings, Huntley Brown
You know how pathetic this whole presidential race has become?
It is a shame most of the black community are supporting this man because of his color only.
It is a shame that the democratic party only supported him because they did not want Hillary. Not realizing he would have gotten overwhelming support from the black community only because he is black.
It is like they are choosing a team player for their basketball game and over looking the reasons, values in which were mentioned in the above post, you choose a President.
This race has become a race race and it is shameful to the democracy in which our country was built on.
This is a very strong statement.
"As the scripture says, a city divided against itself cannot stand, so
obviously many people are not hearing from God."
To Jeff and Penny-I feel bad for the both of you..I really do. Here's a little quote from the late George Carlin for you: "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
So please do me favor and don't mention religion and how you think it should play into politics on this thread. I will fight you tooth and nail...and you will lose. One more Carlin quote before I send off: "Keep thy religion to thyself!!"
Patriot -
And let me remind you on this Sunday morning, that our Constitution guarantees us freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.
So I will fight you tooth and nail for Penny and Jeff and anyone else to be able to express their freedom of religion..... and you will lose. Handily.
patriot,
wow...a quote from george carlin! you really know how to research a topic!!
this is why i find this blog so entertaining...comments from people like you
LOL...i am a big girl, feel sorry for yourself. clearly you have some unresolved issues with yourself.
PS.
And the late Confusious Says...
"Man who fart in church sit in own pew."
Dear Patriot-
FYI, I'm an Agnostic, so save your energy and sympathy. You missed the message in the email by Huntley Brown, it was not about me preaching anything. Think its bad now? Open your eyes and you too will realize (hopefully before the 4th) that Obama is going to put this country in the shi**er.
Jeff I hope you will realize before the 4th that the GW Bush led Republicans have us in the cesspool and the sh*tter would be an improvement.
P.S.
The late Confusious Says..."He who farts in church sits in own pew"
I WIN!!!
Concerned-
And IMHO The Clintons primed the engines.
How far do we need to go back, this could go on for days? I'm all for moving foward but Obamination is not the answer.
Jeff, Einstein said it best “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results” McCain is more of the same policies instituted by the Republicans during the Bush years.
You can talk about Clinton all you want, but the economy was running a lot better during those years and budgets were actually balanced and the deficit wasn't exploding like they have under GWB.
Concerned-
I will not argue things were different back then.
The Towers we still standing and over 3000 people were alive and well too.
GW is far from perfect but look at what he inherited. Whether you want to admit it or not we are still at war (on Terror) and there is a good chance that will not be changing anytime soon. There is a world power struggle that will soon explode. We need experience and strength in order to survive.
You can blame Bush all you want by the worst thing we can do right now is be myopic.
Jeff I can look at what GW Bush inherited and what a cluster f%$k he managed to do with it.
http://www.palinaspresident.us/
OBAMA BIDEN '08
OUR COUNTRY DESERVES BETTER THAN BARACK OBAMA!
Wednesday, October 29th
12:00 Noon – Washington, D.C. Arrival
TBA – Press Conference with National Press Corps.
Why We Oppose Obama
HIGH TAXES
* WEAKNESS ON NATIONAL DEFENSE
Obama has demonstrated a complete naïveté on foreign policy, and weakness on issues of national security. We believe America's next President and Commander-in-Chief must understand that peace comes from strength - and that evil (whether it be Islamic jihadism or Russian aggression) must be confronted with toughness and resolve.
***EMPTY ENERGY POLICY***
Obama has offered vague and simplistic positions on our nation's energy policy. We believe that this nation must achieve as much energy independence as possible, and expand our options to include domestic energy exploration (including offshore oil drilling), a greater embrace of nuclear power, as well as increased usage of alternative energy sources such as wind, solar, geothermal, and other renewable energy sources. Until we do, we will not only be beholden to foreign energy suppliers in the Middle East, but we will also be transferring untold billions of dollars from the United States to regimes hostile to our nation, some of whom are state sponsors of terrorism.
***UNCONTROLLED BORDERS***
Obama has stood with those who support lax border enforcement and incentives for continued illegal immigration. We believe America must have secure borders and that those who come to this country must have respect for the rule of law.
*JUDGES WHO WILL UNDERMINE CONSTITUTION*
Obama has indicated he will appoint liberal judges who likely will serve as activists who legislate from the bench. We believe our nation is best served by judges who are guided by adherence to the constitutional principles that have made this nation great.
**LIBERAL THROUGH AND THROUGH**
Obama has a track record of advocating very liberal positions on many social and cultural issues. We believe that America is not well served by a President who does not support embracing a "culture of life" and who is dismissive of common sense conservative positions.
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/did-soetorobama-campaign-advise-his-cousin-odinga-on-how-to-overthrow-the-us-backed-kenyan-government/
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/ten-reasons-democrats-should-support-john-mccain/
Ahh so, Confucious. Us Macs know all about cousin Odinga and how Obama interfered in the Kenyan "election".... hehehehe
Oh, but Obama is so honest and on target with America!!!! You know, change!
Thought they might need a little "enlightening" since they seem to be soooo in the dark on many other things.
Confucious says you must point the finger at Clinton for letting Obama's brother Osama go free.
You know what I love the best!
All of the Unions are endorsing Obama BUT most of their members are voting for McCain!
Look for the union real label!
McCain/Palin '08
Jeff- Your last 4 posts prior to my reply all had to do with religion...so don't tell me I missed the point. I remain anonymous because I have a child in the Locust Valley school district. Do you think I want my child being ostracized in this town because of what his parents political and religious views are? You know how this small town works don't you?
Penny- Yes, a quote from George Carlin. Too abrasive for you? Not smart or important enough for you? OK. Well how about some quotes from some of the most intelligent people who have ever lived:
1)"Without religion, we'd have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."--Stephen Weinberg
2) "In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point."--Friederich Nietzsche
3) A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education and social ties; no religious basis is necassary. Man would indeed be i a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." Albert Einstein
Lisa- How about Colin Powell huh? Talk about another blow to McCain. Wow! Let me guess..you were never of fan of his right? LMAO.
Patriot,
LOL...Good google work!!!
Good try but you still are very clueless and ignorant. As I stated before you clearly have deep rooted issues to resolve.
Try the balance of ones whole self etc.
Patriot,
Let me make myself clearer for you as you seem to have a lack of comprehension skills.
re: the above statement to me.
Clearly you are afraid to identify with yourself. Are you afraid of who you are?
Is the above statement you made "tooth and nail"? or hypocracy?
If you had any idea of the quotes you cut and paste you wouldn't be afraid of who you are and what you stand for. Girl...Your children will not be "ostracized" you will.
Patriot- My Posts were an Email by someone else, just found it interesting and worth sharing. Dont judge me
I too have a child in the district. I find it disturbing that he comes home saying that Obama will be the next president, he is only 5. Would be more comfortable if he came home saying there are two people running for a very important role called the President.
As far as your anonymous handle-Fortunate for us our colonial Patriots did not share your restrained view.
Patriot...don't worry no one will see you when you vote for McCain behind those curtains.
Concerned-
Ok, so lets say Obama gets in and mucks this up worse. Will that still be GW's fault in our new world?
Just preparing for possible future posts. I belive in being pro-active.
Jeff if Obama mucks it up worse then Bush it will all be on him.
Jeff,
I'm proud of you Mr. Silver. Good on you. I got the chance to meet your adorable son last summer, and I think what you just told us is so sad. While the teacher's union is general is Left, I have been trying to warn this district for years of the extent of the infiltration of Left-wing ideology. Public schools should be APOLITICAL! Not Left, not Right, APOLITICAL!
It might interest you to know that LVCSD sent $2,098.00 of our taxdollars to The Armand Hammer in 05-06. I wonder how that benefited LVCSD students?
Colin Powell huh?
The Colin Powell that gave false information regarding WMD?
Penny, your last post: that's not fair. You are saying, it seems, that if Patriot were to state his/her real name, he/she WOULD be ostracized for standing for something with which you did not agree. I sincerely hope that such an attitude is not typical here.
I don't know... I go out for a day's sailing and poke my nose in here to find the fur flying!
I have to stand up for Patriot on the point that religion should have no place in politics, and that we
should strive to achieve clear separation of church and state. Period. Of all the countries in the world, America with its history of diverse and extensive immigration is one of the most diverse; God means different things to different people, and to some nothing at all. Religious belief should be personal and I, as much as anyone else, would be happy to discuss such belief in the correct environment; but not in this thread.
Those who conspire against this country are largely driven by religious fanaticism. Does George W. Bush sincerely believe that they kill purely for the sake of killing? To Charles Gibson in 2004, which I quoted earlier also:
"I don't think this is a religious war. I think this is a war between evil people that are willing to kill on a mass scale; people that would like to end up with weapons of mass destruction, even kill more than they did in New York City and Washington, D.C."
Huntley Brown's email to his friends was never intended to be commonly circulated, and he is embarrassed
that it was (read further in the link that JS provides). Huntley Brown is a dedicated, evangelical Christian who has brought his music to Billy Graham's crusades and to other megachurch environments; his thoughts were
originally intended to be personal only to his like-minded friends. He backtracks fast in his later comments. Clearly, his own religion plays a crucial role in his personal political thinking, but this is no way for others to judge which of the two candidates is the best to take the country forward. To quote: "Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments but I need to explain
why I will not be voting for him.
Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness. I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower) means He leads I follow. I can't dictate the terms He does because He is the leader.
I can't vote black because I am black; I have to vote Christian because that's who I am. Christian first, black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I won't be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior."
OK. Well, in that case, are you perfectly happy, Huntley, that those that wish to terrorize America continue to inject their own religious beliefs into their political thinking? Now that the playing field has changed, and that they might find access to chemical/nuclear weapons?
Jeff--I find it interesting that an "Agnostic" is quoting a gospel/christian singer and minister. What was the purpose of you post then? Was it to show us that another black man is voting for McCain? Do you get out of Bayville much? Again, I feel bad for you and your son who now might be ostracized himself from some of his teachers who are probably reading this right now.
Penny--Why are you so upset that the black community will be voting for Obama "simply because he's black"? It sounds to me like you are an old and bitter woman...and probably a racist too.
Why do so many people in Bayville like yourselves trash Obama? It's the same reason why you live in Bayville! God Bless Colin Powell.
To finish....I say again - and I would say it whether I were The Pope or the atheist Sam Harris - personal religious belief should not be part of politics and government. Sarah Palin would have us believe that the killing of thousand upon thousand of our soldiers and Iraqi soldiers and civilians is "God's will". Although I would never deny such comfort to the bereaved on a personal level, that kind of statement should never be part of a political campaign.
We should lead by example, and do our best to assist in developing the world's political stage in the same manner. This is already largely the case in Europe (what is George Brown's church, anybody, without looking it up?) and pressure needs to be brought to bear on our "enemies" to strive for the same separation.
Mark
Hey Patriot, don't you start on the ostracizing thing!
I agree with an earlier post of Lisa's that a teacher's political preferences should have no place in the classroom, although I'll live with a bumper sticker! So on that basis, I would sincerely hope that any teacher in the LVSD would not politically influence - or criticize - any student in any way.
I'd like my own kids to make their own decisions, based on their own understanding of the facts.
Mark
Mark,
Patriot expressed fear of his/her child being ostracized because his/her mommy or daddy is a pinko commie atheist. If he or she would provide their name I'd be happy to ostracize the parent to his/her face, but I would never take it out on a child. Hopefully Patriot Jr. will grow up to be an NRA and John Birch Society member and cause mummsy and daddy years of crying, "Where did we go wrong?"
Patriot -
Yes, God bless poor Colin Powell. How old is he now? 77? Perhaps it's Alzheimer's. What other reason would a man possibly endorse a candidate whose platform makes a joke of his entire career? Alzheimers or race. That's the only thing I can attribute it to.
Lisa
You're not serious? Apart from your peculiar linking of "commie" and "atheist" - surely you can't think they are inseparable? - you're saying you'd ostracize someone who held an atheist view? Tell me that's not true, because that would fly in the face of your "freedom to express" clause earlier, for sure.
I'd relax about the Communist threat, by the way. Much water has passed under the bridge since that was something to worry about. Even those Communist countries remaining know they've screwed up! See the changes in China, for example...
Mark
Patriot- I just take an objective approach to life, so please dont worry about me and mine. You should try it, its liberating.
BTW - I've been over and under that Bridge many a time.
Colin Powell is backing Obama - not an easy decision for him, I am sure, and not because he's black, either, Penny - because Obama is inclusive, consistent and confident. McCain is divisive, erratic and unsure.
Mark
Did you know that Obama supports prosecution of a homeowner if they use a gun for self defense in their own home.
So...
Just remember when a perpetrator enters your home, just kindly ask him/her to leave.
http://www.nraila.org/barackobama/barackobama4.htm?gclid=CNvP-4HltJYCFQgRFQodI0xDMA
McCain on contemplating his loss come Nov 4th...sounds to me like he's throwing in the white flag, if not what the heck is he thinking giving an answer like this? (Not that it matters to me...OBAMA '08)
Quoted from Fox. - you know that one that is "fair and balanced".
In response to a question from Fox's Chris Wallace, McCain said ...
"I've had a wonderful life. I have to go back and live in Arizona, and be in the United States Senate representing them, and with a wonderful family, and daughters and sons that I'm so proud of, and a life that's been blessed," he said.
"Don't feel sorry for John McCain, and John McCain will be concentrating on not feeling sorry for himself."
NRA-ILA
>>>Did you know that Obama supports prosecution of a homeowner if they use a gun for self defense in their own home.>>>
That is simply not true. Read and understand the bill in question to understand this. Meanwhile, Factcheck.org neatly summarizes the position:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html
Mark
thank you for the morning laugh!!!
God Bless America
"old and bitter woman...and probably a racist too."
i love it!!!
i better get my old bitter, racist self to work
Lisa-- You are a funny woman. Yes your right, it's Alzheimer's. LMAO! I mean because what other reason would there be for a retired US General to abandon the GOP? Oh yeah, you mentioned race again..the other cop out. Did you stop and think for once before you made that ridiculous statement that your buddy John McCain is OLDER than Colin Powell? I guess Alzheimer's is running rampant in the GOP. I think it's running rampant in Bayville too. LOL!
And you will NEVER know my true identity, because I know how this town works. I know you know people who know other people who knows someone who.....ah, forget it.
Mark,
I said Patriot was a "pinko commie atheist" and I'd be happy to ostracize him/her to his/her face if they had the balls to post their real name. Don't try and pick one word out of context and apply it to my overall political ideology. It is a well known fact that when a communist regime takes over, the first thing it does is outlaw guns and religion. Last night, my husband and I agreed that IF Obama wins, we're investing in a few new rifles before they become illegal. We've worked very hard over the years for the right to own a home. My property taxes have quadrupled since we bought our house in 1990. With Obama's tax plan, my husband's boss will be forced to lay off employees and certainly won't be handing out any raises to help with inflation. I don't care if someone is an atheist, but when they are a social-st telling the rest of America that they need to "spread the wealth", well, it's time to stand up for true American values. I, for one, will be keeping a close eye on those Russian war ships steaming into the Carribbean for war maneuvers with Senor Chavez. North Korea is not to be trusted. We still have the Castro brothers in Cuba. Pakistan is dysfunctional. Just because the Berlin wall is down, doesn't mean that the communist zealots are all hunkering down in front of their TV's with a nice cup of tea.
The press has not really elaborated on McCain's plan for a League of Democracies. It is a good plan, and one which will diminish the authority of the UN globally. If Obama wins this election, the U.S. will rapidly deteriorate and quickly lose its identity and status as the richest, most free and most powerful country in the world. God help us all.
Patriot -
I stand corrected. You are right. Powell is a whopping 7 months and 7 days younger than John McCain.
McCain - 8/29/36
Powell - 4/5/37
However, Alzheimers strikes at different ages for different people. I recall McCain's 96 year old mother jumping up out of her seat at the convention. Longevity tends to be genetic. I wonder if polygamy is genetic as well?
Armed and dangerous in Bayville, eh? Well, takes all sorts, I guess. I shan't be knocking on your door after dark, though, that's for sure.
>>>I don't care if someone is an atheist, but when they are a social-st telling the rest of America that they need to "spread the wealth", well, it's time to stand up for true American values.>>>
And what might those be, in your eyes?
The "spread the wealth" sound bite is getting a bit lame, although I appreciate you have to keep on harping away at the same quotes as there isn't much positive to say about the GOP campaign right now. I thought we were already spreading the wealth, anyway? The government taking stakes in our banks, financial houses and mortgage companies? At the taxpayers' expense? Sounds mightily like social-sm to me. Thanks, George. What with that on top of wiretapping and general disregard for the articles of the Geneva Convention (not to mention the U.N.) we're in a sorry state, aren't we?
Obama/Biden '08! The best choice to regain the respect of the world, and act on it.
Mark
Mark,
Why won't Obama disclose the names of $200 or less foreign donors to his campaign? Because he doesn't have to? Lame. Obama SIGNED a paper saying he would rely on public funding instead of private. He said he would sit down with McCain to discuss which route he would go before making his decision. He didn't. He is a liar. He was opposed to nuclear and clean coal energy, now he's for it. Darn right I'll keep harping on his "SPREAD THE WEALTH" slip to Joe the Plumber. It defines Obama's true self. The rest of the world will laugh its arse off if Obama is elected. Hahaha, look at the stupid Americans who voted him in! The only global "respect" we'll get is from the social-st and Islamic nations who will celebrate their new found "friend" and leader. And watch how fast foreign hands go out to our country even more. to "SHARE THE WEALTH".
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122420205889842989.html
Mark,
When speaking at the Philadelphia Primary debate, Barak Obama had this to say:
"...Just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the excise of that right..."
Personally that statement scares the crap out of me being he is talking about our 2nd Amendment. Basically it says that any local government is able to any right. What else does he intend to take from us because he can? Maybe the First Amendment??
Also regarding your last post-
FactCheck is wrong. Obama supported local handgun bans in the Chicago area by opposing any allowance for self-defense. Obama opposed an Illinois bill (SB 2165, 2004) that would have created an "affirmative defense" for a person who used a prohibited firearm in self-defense in his own home.
As FactCheck notes, the bill was provoked by a case where a Wilmette, Ill. homeowner shot an intruder in self-defense in his home; the homeowner's handgun was banned by a town ordinance. (After the U.S. Supreme Court found Washington, D.C.'s similar ban unconstitutional, Wilmette repealed the ordinance to avoid litigation.)
The legislation was very plainly worded, but as limited as its protection was, Obama voted against it in committee and on the floor:
It is an affirmative defense to a violation of a municipal ordinance that prohibits, regulates, or restricts the private ownership of firearms if the individual who is charged with the violation used the firearm in an act of self-defense or defense of another ...when on his or her land or in his or her abode or fixed place of business.
If a person cannot use a handgun for self-defense in the home without facing criminal charges, self-defense with handguns in the home is effectively banned.
Even aside from SB 2165, Obama's support for a total handgun ban would be a crippling blow to defense in the home, since (as the Supreme Court recently affirmed) handguns are "the most preferred firearm in the nation to 'keep' and use for protection of one's home and family." (District of Columbia v. Heller, 128 S.Ct. 2783, 2818 (2008)).
Correction from above- Should read:
Basically it says that any local government entity is able resrict any one of your rights.
IMHO and others, Factcheck.org is biased. There's another possible explanation behind FactCheck's positions on Obama. Just last year, FactCheck's primary funding source, the Annenberg Foundation, also gave $50,000 to the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence for "efforts to reduce gun violence by educating the public and by enacting and enforcing regulations governing the gun industry." Annenberg made a similar grant for $100,000 in 2005.
Your post is clearly laid out, NRA-ILA, and thank you for presenting your points in this way without the emotion that is too often prevalent in this forum!
I don't have time to read every paper on this but, surely, Obama's vote against SB2165 was predicated on the basis that the bill justified - and thereby effectively validated - illegal gun ownership. I see nothing in what you have written that says he had any problem with someone using a gun in self-defence that was legally in their possession.
Educate me if I am wrong. I have to say, that said, that what is every American's indidual right to bear arms is not something that, in my opinion, needs to be sustained in the 21st century. In other civilized countries, personal gun ownership other than for sport is virtually unheard of.
Now I know that THAT statement will get Lisa going...
Mark
Get your guns and rifles now. Obama will try to seize them when he becomes President. Hurry now! The Russians will be invading Bayville via parachutes (like in the movie Red Dawn) and you must act now! And lock those doors!! LOL!
Mark,
You don't want to be educated. In your opinion, Constitutional Amendments are passe'. Why don't you pay a visit to Hugo with your buddy Sean Penn?
I made a post yesterday, it said it was being submitted for moderation? Anyone know what happens with those?
East Ender -
This issue has been addressed. Please read back in this thread. It is an unresolved issue being generated from the Blog's end.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/a_video_that_could_change_the_election/
I am
Barak Obama and I approve this message
Dear me, Philip Berg again, Anon? Old news, and the man is not loved by all. He's self-serving, and won't win his case; just another example of disappointing negativity in this race. See how McCain/Palin's standing in the polls slides daily; if only they could be more positive, they'd have much more of a fighting chance. People like Berg just make things worse.
On birhright, McCain only just made the grade himself. From Wikipedia (I won't be boring enough to list the Dem detractor sites that challenge HIS eligibility, but there are some):
"John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States, federal law states: "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States." The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born — albeit with retroactive effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen."
Herewith, federal law catching up with the "natural-born" requirement of the Constitution.
Isn't all this fun? Mind you, it's been a bit quiet in here today. Either all realise that the deal is done, or people are keeping their heads down now that they know that Lisa will be waving all her new rifles around
Just teasing, Lisa..
Mark
P.S. Anon, please do Senator Obama the favor of spelling his name correctly, at least!
Mark / Anyone,
With all due respect, do you really think that this request of Senator Obama is over the top. Don't you think it looks a little suspicious when someone is stalling such a minuscule request. I have had to produce these common type records such as a Birth Certificate and Educational records during an application process for a much less position than that of the Commander in Chief. I did comply or I wouldn't have the job. Why all the mystery?
I'm not a lawyer and could be very wrong but don't you have 30 days to respond to a subpoena? I remember when this case was brought up last month. It sparked my interest then but why has Obama not responded with the request for documentation and moves for dismissal?
I find this behavior very strange.
Jeff
Hi Jeff
Obama's campaign released a copy of his birth certificate on June 13 of this year.
It has since been checked by the issuing office and confirmed as genuine. Needless to say, the likes of Mr. Berg and endless others seeking to discredit Senator Obama continue to insist that it must be a forgery.
Do you honestly believe that this would be the case? I do not, myself.
To quote Politifact: "If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies."
Obama has complied. The behaviour that is strange is the continuing muck stirring on this subject. And others, of course, such as trying to prove that Obama is a Muslim. Which, of course, should not matter, but I can quite understand why it does to many.
Mark
http://www.americasright.com/
http://obamacrimes.com/
Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago?
Body count: In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago; 221 killed in Iraq.
Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durbin,
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.,
Gov. Rod Blogojevich,
House leader Mike Madigan,
Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike Madigan),
Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley)
.....our leadership in Illinois.....all Democrats.
Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago.
Of course, they're all blaming each other.
Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any!
Florida's Polls....Dead Heat
The following is a detailed technical analysis of Obama's birth certificate. [Warning: the commentary accompanying the analysis contains graphic language]
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html
Looks like you are reading moonbat websites again there Lisa. I'll take the analysis of a site that actually held the birth certificate over one comparing images they downloaded from the web.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
CR -
Perhaps I missed them, but I didn't see any "credentials" listed of the good folk at factcheck.org regarding their expertise in the detection of fraudulent documents or technical analysis. Their entire declaration of the document they were shown being valid consisted of their visual observation and what was explained to them at Obama headquarters in Chicago. Now I commend factcheck.org for taking those steps, but it doesn't rule out in my mind completely that the document isn't a fake, or that someone was behind placing the seal on the Obama copy when it was sent out in 2007. But I'm not the judge sitting on the case. I guess the judge values his life and will delay judgment until after the election.
And Obama's birthday is one day after mine. A fellow Leo. Fire. See, that's why we don't get along. Leo's either get along fabulously or horribly with each other, no in between.
Also, I'm not a hardcore Randian, but I do like Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead and think they should be required reading in high school, if only to provide some balance to the mostly far-left Literature our schools currently require.
Lisa you could have been in the delivery room in Hawaii and you wouldn't believe it.
CR -
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_illegal_donations/2008/10/21/142761.html?s=al&promo_code=6DD6-1
You sure do like your conspiracy theories Lisa. Couldn't be that the country doesn't like the direction we are going in and is blaming those that have been in power for it.
Don't worry Lisa McCain is getting some foreign support.
>>Al-Qaida supporters suggested in a Web site message this week they would welcome a pre-election terror attack on the U.S. as a way to usher in a McCain presidency.
The message, posted Monday on the password-protected al-Hesbah Web site, said if al-Qaida wants to exhaust the United States militarily and economically, "impetuous" Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain is the better choice because he is more likely to continue the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.<<<
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_el_pr/al_qaida_us_election_2
POOR, POOR BARAK SEEMED A LITTLE DOWN TODAY
POLLS ARE DOWN IN CONNETICUT
State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in the Country.
Cook County (Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look 'em up if you want).
Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.
This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois. And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us???!TR
"I have come to the conclusion,
that one useless man is a
Disgrace, two are a law firm and
three or more are called a
Congress." -- John Adams, 1776
Palin says "God" will do the right thing on Nov 4th. I say she is cookoo:
From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby
Gov. Palin told James Dobson that God will do 'the right thing' on election day.
Gov. Palin told James Dobson that God will do 'the right thing' on election day.
FINDLAY, Ohio (CNN) –- In an interview posted online Wednesday, Sarah Palin told Dr. James Dobson of “Focus on the Family” that she is confident God will do “the right thing for America” on Nov. 4.
Dobson asked the vice presidential hopeful if she is concerned about John McCain’s sagging poll numbers, but Palin stressed that she was “not discouraged at all.”
“To me, it motivates us, makes us work that much harder,” she told the influential Christian leader, whose radio show reaches tens of millions of listeners daily. “And it also strengthens my faith because I know at the end of the day putting this in God’s hands, the right thing for America will be done, at the end of the day on Nov. 4.”
Dobson praised Palin's opposition to abortion rights, to which the governor affirmed that she is “hardcore pro-life.”
She said giving birth to her son Trig, who has Down syndrome, has given her the opportunity “to be walking the walk and not just talking the talk” in her long-standing opposition to abortion.
Dobson — who has never been warm to McCain — asked Palin if her “private conversations” with the Republican nominee had revealed a true commitment to the Republican party’s pro-life platform.
Palin assured Dobson: “John McCain is solidly there on those solid planks in our platform that build the right agenda for America.”
She also thanked her supporters — including Dobson, who said he and his wife were asking “for God’s intervention” on election day — for their prayers of support.
“It is that intercession that is so needed,” she said. “And so greatly appreciated. And I can feel it too, Dr. Dobson. I can feel the power of prayer, and that strength that is provided through our prayer warriors across this nation. And I so appreciate it.”
The interview was taped on Monday by phone while Palin was campaigning in Colorado Springs, where “Focus on the Family” is headquartered.
Filed under: Sarah Palin
>>>God’s intervention... It is that intercession that is so needed... I can feel the power of prayer, and that strength that is provided through our prayer warriors across this nation. And I so appreciate it.>>>
Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Prayer warriors? OK, Dem churchgoers, out of the pews... Sarah says so. You gotta believe it.
Mark
>>>"I have come to the conclusion,
that one useless man is a
Disgrace, two are a law firm and
three or more are called a
Congress." -- John Adams, 1776>>>
Great find, Anon (although of course I don't know whether I am addressing the usual Anon, the left Anon, the right Anon, or just the Anonymous...)
They do say a camel is a horse designed by a committee.
Mark
MCCAIN/PALIN '08
AMERICA'S HEROS
A recent post by McCain's 2000 Chief Strategist Mike Murphy.
I saw the RNC statement on Gov. Palin’s $150,000 clothing bender on the RNC's tab. This caper is gonna make for a long day at the office for the good folks at the RNC/McCain press operation. Thought I’d offer a little help in a humorous vein; some other possible spin lines for the RNC.
1.) What you sneering critics in the liberal MSM fail to see here is… a Jobs Program! Saks floorwalkers, cashiers, a team of sweating porters to haul the merchandise from the store to the motorcade… chiropractors to treat those porters. Sarah Palin knows how to create jobs!
2.) What’s the difference between a Pit Bull and a Hockey Mom? You can feed a pit-bull for 483 years with 150 grand.
3.) Still cheaper than Mitt Romney’s hair products. We’re saving money here…
4.) William Ayres is a terrorist!
5.) New ad slogan: “Clothes for Gov. Palin? $150,000. Time machine to go back two months to late August and ask what the Hell were Schmidt and Davis thinking when they cooked up this idea and sold it to McCain? Priceless.”
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/10/bling_zing.html
Another Conservative that won't be pulling the lever for McCain/Palin this year.
>>>Being Barry Goldwater's granddaughter and living in Arizona, one would assume that I would be voting for our state's senator, John McCain. I am still struck by certain 'dyed in the wool' Republicans who are on the fence this election, as it seems like a no-brainer to me.
Myself, along with my siblings and a few cousins, will not be supporting the Republican presidential candidates this year. We believe strongly in what our grandfather stood for: honesty, integrity, and personal freedom, free from political maneuvering and fear tactics. I learned a lot about my grandfather while producing the documentary, Mr. Conservative Goldwater on Goldwater. Our generation of Goldwaters expects government to provide for constitutional protections. We reject the constant intrusion into our personal lives, along with other crucial policy issues of the McCain/Palin ticket.<<<
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cc-goldwater/why-mccain-has-lost-our-v_b_137150.html
One line, do you really only want one majority party to run the country, their is a lot at stake here, more then what mccain or obama peach, there will not be a democracy, one party making all the decisions. Please choose wise, and think of the future, separate yourself from parties. Obama will not do the right thing, he will do what is best for him and his party, that is not the American way. Look at Chicago.
Obama Would Fail Security Clearance
by Daniel Pipes
Philadelphia Bulletin
October 21, 2008
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5983
Concerned Resident and Patriot
The Government Is Watching You
So is the B.L.A.!!!!!!!
God Bless,and keep your powder dry!
Anon--The government is after me? Should I buy a rifle and lock my doors? I'm so scared. Mommy where are you?
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/EPH/7895~Mommy-I-m-Scared-Of-The-Government-Posters.jpg
it's pretty bad when the Russians spoof a VP candidate! (Thia is funny..nothing bad)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR9V_aOCga0
PS Didn't McCain in 96 oppose campaign funding of clothing and personal items for candidates? With all that "executive experience" you'd think she had a suit or two. Just a thought I like the fact that the GOP wasted 150,000 on that rather than advertising.
OBAMA BIDEN '08
oh now - this is a hoot! just saw this...so the GOP either intended for Palin to lose or be VP in the buff? no wait--maybe they were going to donate the candidate outfits and go out and buy the new VP NEW outfits. or maybe Palin herself will be that charitable purpose after the campaign.
"It was always the intent that the clothing go to a charitable purpose after the campaign,” said McCain spokesperson Tracey Schmitt.
How About Getting In One Of Your Russian Helicopters
Desperate Dems
Getting nervous that they are slipping in the polls and fearing that the Bradley Effect will be a real factor this election, the Dems desperately attack Palin for an alleged expenditure of $150,000 on wardrobe.
If the RNC spent a paltry $150,000 on Sarah's wardrobe, good. Is that illegal? I don't think so. The RNC is supposed to support and promote its candidates. Physical appearance matters. If she stood on that stage with Biden in a Sears suit with Payless shoes, the Dems would have been ripping her a new one for looking like a backwater hick. And frankly, I think Palin looks damn good!
Let's see, what did the DNC spend on it convention for its ridiculous Apollobamathon?
http://www.infoshop.org/wiki/index.php/Democratic_National_Convention_2008
>>>>>>>>The overall cost of the convention is expected to total more than $100 million, possibly $120 million>>>>>>
CR -
The Huffington Post? Barry Goldwater's granddaughter? Puhleeze, who cares what she thinks? Goldwater, who lost in 64 to LBJ in case I have to remind you, was an extremely dysfunctional politician. To attempt to compare him to McCain is just ridiculous. Have you seen anything comparable to the "Goldwater rallies" which sparked civil unrest and violence in the south during this campaign? I think not.
But then again, there is that poor woman in Pittsburgh who had a B for Barack carved into her face for daring to have a McCain/Palin bumper sticker on her car. This is why I won't put a McCain/Palin bumper sticker on my car and apparently the reason many others won't either. Many Obama supporters are simply nasty and violent. Not all. Many.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/24/mccain.sticker/?iref=hpmostpop
Looks like you can slap that bumper sticker on your car Lisa.
Barack's Battling Nanas
So which grandma is telling the truth? The white one he is rushing "home" to see before she dies? Or the black one in Kenya who states she was there in the delivery room?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78931
>>If the RNC spent a paltry $150,000 on Sarah's wardrobe, good.>>
Absolutely. That's only $2,500 per day of her campaign, after all.
Yep, good that she continues to relate to the average hockey mom and Joe Six Pack on her daily outlay.
Average cost of a ladies' business outfit at Nieman Marcus as bought by Joe Six Pack for his wife four times a day: $500
Cost of soopah doopah Estee Lauder luster gloss lipstick as worn by average hockey mom: $100
Sneakers for First Dude, diapers for Trig, maternity dresses for Bristol, couple of Nintendo DS games a day to keep kids busy during campaign speeches: $400
Lisa defending such spending: Priceless
Mark
Hey Lisa, wake up and smell the coffee, the REPUBLICANS are not happy with these expenditures either. That doesn't quite fit into your one sided analysis. BTW the poor woman in Pittsburgh story keeps changing, I think the police are asking her to take a lie detector test now... oh wait the cops must be in the tank too! I don't think spending the dough was illegal at all, (stupid maybe) but Palin trying to deny it with Hannity is PRICELESS! OBAMA BIDEN '08
I just saw Palin interviewed and apparently the clothing is either returned or donated to charity after the campaign, it was given to the RNC on a 3 day loaner basis. Again, the Dems must be really scared if they think this is even an issue. Maybe the DNC can get someone to loan some shoes to Sen. Obama or at least some flip flops while he's in Hawaii, I understand he only has four pairs.....LOL!
The Democrats' point, surely, is that such "dressing up" of a person who was already supposed to be an executive Governor of an American state - and who, presumably, had some sort of business wardrobe other than a moose skin coat - only emphasises that she is McCain's show pony.
Although I don't think McCain's first choice of Joe Lieberman would have been particularly inspiring, given his meandering down the centre line, at least people might have retained some confidence in McCain's ability to make sensible decisions.
Even Republican voters are now realizing that the show pony can't jump.
Bradley effect a worry? What a terrible thing it would be if that were correct. How grand America would look on the world stage if that were to happen.
Mark
Lisa - you wrote:
So which grandma is telling the truth? The white one he is rushing "home" to see before she dies? Or the black one in Kenya who states she was there in the delivery room?
Don't you think that if this was a true issue - that Obama is not a U.S. Citizen - that the RNC would be all over it? And that Hillary would have been all over it in the primaries? It would have been in the courts for a challenge if there was real proof.
If you can believe these lies - I personally question your judgment in other areas. I am sure some people will remember your lack of judgment on this issue the next time you run for the school board.
Anonymous -
So Barack's African grandma is a liar? And what makes you think the RNC ISN'T all over this? Why hasn't the PA court case been decided? I didn't say I believed one way or the other. I'm not the judge on the case. When all the evidence is weighed, I'll believe the judge's decision.
Mark,
Show pony. One that takes first prize, no doubt. I guess that's better than having a pet buffoon baboon.
>>>>But then again, there is that poor woman in Pittsburgh who had a B for Barack carved into her face for daring to have a McCain/Palin bumper sticker on her car. This is why I won't put a McCain/Palin bumper sticker on my car and apparently the reason many others won't either. Many Obama supporters are simply nasty and violent. Not all. Many.>>>>
Whoops. From TMZ.com:
"The girl who claimed she was beaten because she is a John McCain supporter has now admitted to making up the story. In fact, there wasn't even a robbery or a beating. Paging Tawana Brawley!
Ashley Todd told police she doesn't know how she got the "B" on her face and suspects she might have done it to herself in her car, but doesn't actually remember.
Police say she was very polite and very cooperative, however they have discovered she has a history of mental problems.
Cops say she is being charged with making a false report to police."
Mark
Lisa - One I think you are misinterpreting Palin when you say "I just saw Palin interviewed and apparently the clothing is either returned or donated to charity after the campaign, it was given to the RNC on a 3 day loaner basis." Palin never said the clothes were a loaner, she did say they were to be returned or donated, I never heard of renting clothes for $50,000 a day. Although I do know some hockey moms who have been known to by a real purty dress, hide the tags and return it the day after the party. Anyone hear how Palin and Dudes deposition went?
OBAMA '08
More Conservatives crossing over to vote for Obama/Biden
>>>Reagan Appointee and (Recent) McCain Adviser Charles Fried Supports Obama
Charles Fried, a professor at Harvard Law School, has long been one of the most important conservative thinkers in the United States. Under President Reagan, he served, with great distinction, as Solicitor General of the United States. Since then, he has been prominently associated with several Republican leaders and candidates, most recently John McCain, for whom he expressed his enthusiastic support in January.
This week, Fried announced that he has voted for Obama-Biden by absentee ballot. In his letter to Trevor Potter, the General Counsel to the McCain-Palin campaign, he asked that his name be removed from the several campaign-related committees on which he serves. In that letter, he said that chief among the reasons for his decision "is the choice of Sarah Palin at a time of deep national crisis."
Fried is exceptionally thoughtful and principled; his vote for Obama is especially noteworthy.
--Cass. R. Sunstein
UPDATE: Fried writes to TNR: I admire Senator McCain and was glad to help in his campaign, and to be listed as doing so; but when I concluded that I must vote for Obama for the reason stated in my letter, I felt it wrong to appear to be recommending to others a vote that I was not prepared to cast myself. So it was more of an erasure than a public affirmation--although obviously my vote meant that I thought that Obama was preferable to McCain-Palin. I do not consider abstention a proper option.<<<
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/10/24/reagan-appointee-and-recent-mccain-adviser-charles-fried-supports-obama.aspx
George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.
A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!...
But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST YEAR:
1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) as I write, THE DOW is p robin g another low~~
$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!
YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT! ...
REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.
AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!
JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND?
So what is it Anonymous did Congress do nothing or did they wreck the economy Bush had humming along?
Just last weekend Sen Biden said that within 6 months of Obama taking office there would be a manufactured International Crisis to test him and that we would all have to stand behind him as it would not at first seem apparent that he was making the right decisions. My first thoughts were that this is scary and so why would we want Obama to be our next President if he would be considered weak and need testing by those countries that do not like us? One of my Facebook friends just suggested something to me that really scares me. She said that under the Constitution the President can suspend the Constitution and Govern as a Dictator in the case of an Internatioal Crisis or Emergency. Do you think Biden was trying to tell us something with his comments last weekend?
Concerned Resident,
Did U Graduate From High School?
Anonymous I will go real slllloooowwww so you can follow along, I know it's hard when you are busy copying and pasting so many wingnut rants you might not actually read what they say.
Choice number #1- Did the Congress pass laws that affected the economy that was going along so well under Bush until the Democrats took office, causing it to go in the tank?
Or Choice number #2- Did they do nothing as your copy and paste rant says?
Get it now or do we need to explain it again for you?
Anonymous
I think you missed CR's point.
Anyway, more importantly, when you plagiarise other peoples' rants - the one you quote in your lengthy post - the one blaming the Democrats for everything you can think of - has been posted by many others too - do make sure you check the numbers! Like others, you should at least have modified the cost of gas to bring the quote up to date
I'd change your Facebook friends, too. Dictator? You righties are more paranoid than I thought, perhaps! Which puzzles me; as all this talk, from you and others, about "scary" and being "scared" makes so little sense. This administration's aggressive alienation of countries they choose not to like has engendered far more animosity toward the United States than Obama's intended diplomacy is likely to do. You should be scared of a McCain/Palin future, not the other way around.
Mark
CR And Mark,
Now That You Have Thought It Out, Using a Reasonable Thought Process, You Can Now Make An Educated Analysis.
If You Choose The Correct Answer
You Will Have Successfully Passed 6th Grade.
Good Luck
The Democratic Congress, with its head bloviators Pelosi, Frank and Dodd, obstructed the passage of regulations which would have put some controls and accountability on Fannie Mae. The Democratic Congress continued to fund ACORN which is partially responsible for the mortgage meltdown. The Democratic Congress assured the public that "everything was fine" with Fannie Mae. Two years ago McCain warned of the impending danger. The Democratic Congress ignored him.
DeNile is not just a river in Egypt. Yes, Bush overspent, yes Paulson was a moron to put forth his initial 2 1/2 page buyout package. And I'm with Joe the Plumber who is "scared for this country if Obama gets elected".
Biden GUARANTEES an international crisis will happen within 6 months to test Obama's "mettle".
As the new McCain ad states, "It doesn't HAVE to happen!".
No one doubts McCain's mettle, especially those countries who don't like us very much.
Defeat Barack Obama!
McCain/Palin '08!!!!!!
It's not McCain's mettle that I doubt it's his judgment.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m299/kholman25/anti-republican.jpg
Lisa McLoughlin,
You Have Answered Correctly.
Hopefully Mark And CR Will See The Light One Day
wonder how Ashley the Nut Case is helping the Joe the Plumber Campaign schtick.
OBAMA '08
>>>>wonder how Ashley the Nut Case is helping the Joe the Plumber Campaign schtick.>>>>
Well, it must be a Democrat conspiracy, of course. By paying Ashley to "deface" herself, they must have been hoping to deter all Republican supporters from carrying bumper stickers. It worked for Lisa.
Pity the poor dear scratched the "B" by looking in a mirror, that's all
I suspect the appointment of Sarah Palin was a cunning Democrat plot, also, to make the Obama ticket look to be the only sensible choice.
Any day now, Obama may announce that Biden will be appointed Minister of Information and that Tina Fey will become his real VP choice. Now THERE'S a good choice
Mark
East Ender,
Hey, she was from Pittsburgh. I've encountered more than my share of nuts from Pittsburgh. Must be something in the water.
Sorry Lisa she is from College Station, TX. and we all know how smart they grow them down in Texas.
Mark -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any day now, Obama may announce that Biden will be appointed Minister of Information and that Tina Fey will become his real VP choice. Now THERE'S a good choice>>>>>>>>>>>>
Do you have a fever? Take two aspirin and call me in the morning.
CR -
How do you think one develops mettle? It isn't magically bestowed upon someone. Mettle comes from making tough decisions and sticking to your guns. Mettle comes from going against the party line when you know in your heart that it's not the right thing to do. Mettle comes from not using privilege to get out of jail free. John McCain's mettle comes from decisions and judgment he has rendered throughout his long career of service to this country. Exactly where does Barack Obama's "mettle" come from?
Clarification -
going against the party line when you know the party line is the wrong way to go.
So was McCain showing is mettle when he was going against his party and the Bush tax cuts or when he wanted his party's nomination and he wants to keep them?
So was McCain showing is mettle when he was going against his party and offshore drilling or when he wanted his party's nomination and he chants drill baby drill?
So was McCain showing is mettle when he was going against his party and their position on the Estate Tax because of the impact it would have on the deficit, as well as the possible chilling affect it could have on charitable giving in this country or when he wanted his party's nomination and he called the tax “one of the most unfair tax laws on the books.”?
So was McCain showing is mettle when he was going against his party and saying he would be for normalization of relations with Cuba or when he wanted his party's nomination and the votes of Cuban Americans in South Florida and said he would keep the decades long trade embargo intact?
So was McCain showing is mettle when he was going against his party and said “certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.” or when he wanted his party's nomination and he calls Roe v. Wade “a flawed decision that must be overturned?
CR -
Frankly, none of your out of context, un-cited references sound the least bit familiar to me so I am not going to respond to them. I'm sure you got them off the Huffington Post, which I wouldn't believe anymore than I do Obama.
I decided not to vote for Obama way back when he reneged on his pledge to go the public money route for his campaign. After that, he could have promised me the sun, the moon and the stars and I wouldn't believe a word that escapes his eloquent lips because he proved himself to be a liar and not to be trusted.
Btw, I understand the WSJ has a wonderful op-ed on Obama's tax plan. Check it out:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html
Sorry Lisa if you can't handle the truth.
CR -
Once again, you exhibit your lack of perception. I can handle the Truth, not your BS and make-believe quotes.
My perception is crystal clear. The statements about John McCain are not made up Lisa they are the FACTS, he has been all over the map. The problem you have is you refuse to see what is right in front of your eyes.
If you want to pass off your BS as Truth, try linking real sources.
Lisa you are a card, you have your head so far up your arse you couldn't see the truth if it was staring you in the face.
You can do your own research, but I will give you a hint don't visit a site that is funded by Ricahrd Mellon Scaife, Rupert Murdoch or the Reverend Moon and you might find the answers you seek.
Here's a link OBAMA's CAMPAIGN is really on the ball. Personally I think the best decision Obama made WAS to fund his campaign from the people - and create his own machine that has generated so much support on the ground for him. His Campaign has been FANTASTIC and is for the 21st century. Does the public fundraising money McCain used come from our taxes?
http://radar.barackobama.com/
PS BTW I receive old mail at a PO BOX Ihave for a staunch Republican, the first mailer actually said "IMPORTANT TELEGRAM" on the outer envelope. What the heck is a telegram? ANyway it was gone by the next mailer. And yes- I have contacted the gent to advise him of this maill slip up.
CR -
Go screweth thyself. I'm not doing research to back up your phony quotes. Did you read the Wall Street Journal piece I linked? Or is that above your reading level?
So I see we have the arrogant all knowing Wizard of Bayville posting today, still with her head firmly implanted in her arse.
Made up quotes, you are so full of it I think it must be coming out of your ears.
Are you going to tell me that John McCain was in favor of Bush's Tax Cuts when they were enacted?
Are you going to tell me that John McCain was always in favor of offshore drilling?
Are you going to tell me that a self professed Teddy Roosevelt Republican was always against the Estate Tax?
Lisa it looks like you really don't know your candidate.
CR,
THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPORTING
http://www.durarealidad.com/
SHAME ON YOU
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/354/16/1661
CR -
That's Goddess of Bayville to you. And I'm not going to waste my breath trying to tell you anything as you are clearly incapable of processing real facts from unbiased sources, sources which I provide and you do not.
Picture of pro-life advocate, Anonymous:
http://msp8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/fallfornoone/ugly-women-3.jpg
Did you ever notice that women that are against abortion are women you wouldn't want to f&*@ in the 1st place"?--George Carlin
I love saying "I told you so". I mentioned in a post over a month ago guaranteeing some sort of an attack in the middle east right before the election. This is a classic dirty Republican move of wagging the dog. Cheney and Bush are giving their last bit of effort to support McCain in the remaining days leading up to the election. Insanity at it's best! "On the fence" rednecks will be sure to vote McCain now.
Yep Lisa I think we all know how highly you think of yourself, Goddess my Arse, your arrogance knows no bounds.
But here you go Oh Know Everything Lisa a real Conservative source for you to look at regarding Senator McCain's position on the Bush tax cuts, well at least his original position. You can find the rest of his flip flops yourself, though we all know you don't really want to know the facts.
If you actually bothered to look at the facts Lisa you would have to look in the mirror and realize that you actually don't know everything you are just a pretender. Just a big mouthed arrogant know it all spewing off your holier then thou rants making the rest of us dumber for having read them.
Oh yea the link for the McCain position on tax cuts is here:
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/03/arizona_senator_john_mccains_t.php
Not wrong on the Cheney/Bush tactic, Patriot. Here's the AP text:
"U.S. military helicopters launched an extremely rare attack Sunday on Syrian territory close to the border with Iraq, killing eight people in a strike the government in Damascus condemned as "serious aggression."
A U.S. military official said the raid by special forces targeted the foreign fighter network that travels through Syria into Iraq. The Americans have been unable to shut the network down in the area because Syria was out of the military's reach.
"We are taking matters into our own hands," the official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the political sensitivity of cross-border raids.
The attack came just days after the commander of U.S. forces in western Iraq said American troops were redoubling efforts to secure the Syrian border, which he called an "uncontrolled" gateway for fighters entering Iraq.
A Syrian government statement said the helicopters attacked the Sukkariyeh Farm near the town of Abu Kamal, five miles inside the Syrian border. Four helicopters attacked a civilian building under construction shortly before sundown and fired on workers inside, the statement said.
The government said civilians were among the dead, including four children."
Great. Taking matters into our own hands, again. Screw diplomacy. Eight dead: civilians dead "included" four children. So they missed, as well.
I've never forgotten one of the first U.S. incursions into Pakistan, attempting to take out a terrorist leader (who was out at the time) with the fearsome weaponry of an F-16. I can't remember the date offhand, but the press reports mentioned that the dead included "a six-year-old". That casual reference is the first and last time on which that particular, small, personal tragedy was ever mentioned in the newspapers or online. My own daughter was six at the time, and such offhand passitivity to yet another innocent life taken haunted me for weeks.
Obama will prevail, despite all challenges McCain and the incumbents can throw at him. Bergs's case is dead, thank goodness. Despite the "hot topic" economy, it is the Iraq war and its terrible consequences that have sunk the Republicans this time around. The imbalance is unfortunate, but deserved.
I personally think that those of you who support the fist-waving McCain/Palin alliance will be surprised at just how much Obama will achieve. And I sincerely hope that if he does prevail in November, as Americans you will offer this country the decency of respecting and supporting its new president, and his clearly bipartisan aims. Hard left? No way, Jose.
Mark
Patriot,
It Looks Like You Need A Shave. Is That Your Sixth Grade School Picture From This Year?
"And I sincerely hope that if he does prevail in November, as Americans you will offer this country the decency of respecting and supporting its new president"
HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA
LIKE THE RESPECT THAT YOUR PARTY HAS SHOWN OUR PRESENT PRESIDENT?
That's the real worry, isn't it? That the likes of you will retreat into your foxholes and fight any attempts of the new administration at uniting this country. Here's hoping for a landslide, on that basis.
If you think it is only the Democratic party that has driven Bush's approval rating into the 20s, you're not reading too widely, amigo.
I do owe you an apology, however; I just spent half an hour writing a clear and concise rebuttal of your SHAME ON YOU post, only to find that I came up against the "SUCCESS!" glitch once more, and lost the lot (having not copied it, of course...grrrr). I'm not going to write it out again, because I simply have no time to do so.. suffice to say, that there are many arguments on the abortion issue, as you know. Neither Obama NOR McCain are black and white (pun not intended) on it, however. Read their debate with Rick Warren on this subject, for example. It's disappointing that the video you offer, albeit horrifying, offers no sources and - having checked - includes several pictures of babies that died in the womb before any intervention took place.
Importantly, though, your man simplifies Obama's stance on "partial birth abortion" (a political, not medical, term) as do many. Be aware of that.
Mark
Here's the bottom line folks - if Obama had tried to become an FBI agent when he was in his early 30's, he never would have passed the background check due to his spurious associations with convicted felons and terrorists: (Ayers/Dorn, Rezko, Wright, Khalidi)
Birds of a feather flock together.
Taxing the wealthy MORE to give money to the poor is REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH. Once again, the Obama supporters in this blog refuse to even ACKNOWLEDGE the Wall Street Journal op-ed I posted.
Asking if Obama's "Spread the wealth" ideology is Marxi-t is no joke, Sen. Biden. Laugh away.
Mark -
Partial birth abortion is a LEGAL term, not political. However, if you would prefer the proper MEDICAL term for the procedure, from now on we'll be happy to call it intact dilation and extraction or evacuation. Does it really make a difference? A live baby is being pulled out of its mother and killed.
Again, Lisa sets forth an inaccurate claim in her posting.
There is no truth to the allegation that Barack Obama would not pass a background check:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/security.asp
After seeing how quick you are to believe all the right wing blogs without verifying the facts, I am so glad that you were not elected to the school board. You have lost much credibility here.
Lisa
Obama on partial birth abortion, April 27 of this year on Fox News:
"On an issue like partial birth abortion, I strongly believe that the state can properly restrict late-term abortions. I have said so repeatedly. All I've said is we should have a provision to protect the health of the mother, and many of the bills that came before me didn't have that."
Misrepresenting his stance by saying simply that he is in favour of late term abortions is incorrect, but predictably is a regular spin tactic of his opponents.
Obama has done more than most to address the root causes of any need for abortion in the first place: sponsoring a bill for the provision of contraceptives to low income women and taking measures to increase education on the subject. But as with the majority of Americans, he is pro-choice, yes, believing that the government should not intervene between a woman and her physician in such an important decision. Clearly, that is not your view, and I understand that. My concern, however, about the pro-life camp is that they seek to totally polarize the debate without giving enough consideration to the causes of the problem. The last thing anyone should wish to happen, surely, is that abortion is driven underground and that illegal procedures are a desperate woman's only option.
Mark
Anonymous -
First of all, the snopes article addresses the background of a 47 year old Obama. News flash, 47 is too old to become a special agent. Secondly, I notice that FBI security attorneys were not consulted. I can tell you based on the background checks performed on my brother and sister-in-laws who are ATF and FBI agents, if hypothetically Obama had applied at a time he was working with Ayers and friendly with Khalidi (PLO), he would not have been accepted. You can attempt to trash my character all you want. It really doesn't strengthen your anonymous, cowardly argument.
Lisa-Is this how you measure the character of a presidential candidate? Telling us that Obama wouldn't have passed a background check at an FBI interview is a moot point. First of all, George W. Bush would have failed the written exam and wouldn't have even made it to the lie detector/psychological step of the hiring process. If he did, the administrators would have had a field day on his drug use and alcoholism. I have friends in the FBI as well and they are a bunch of robots (and yes I tell them this often). I don't want C3PO as president (come to think of it..mccain is quite robotic). I want someone with an open mind.
I'm sure if you delved into past presidents, you would find an alarming number of negative associations. The main thing is that Obama is NO LONGER associated with any of the names you and Foxnews keep bringing up.
Patriot -
I just love how the Demonuts love to keep bashing George Bush and his former drinking problem, but Obama did coke and lived with a coke dealer, and that's not a problem. Lie about campaign financing? Not a problem. Lie about his real tax plan? Not a problem. Lie about past associations? Not a problem. Let's just all hold hands, sing kum-baya and redistribute the wealth cuz it's "good for everybody". WAKE UP!
Use your brain, vote McCain!
Oh, we can do better than that..
Same again? Vote McCain!
Don't break the chain! Vote McCain!
Need more pain? Vote McCain!
Or, considering she seems to think she should be at the top of the ticket (dontcha just love all the Republican campaign infighting right now?) :
Foes need nailin'? Vote for Palin!
Lipstick failin'? Vote for Palin!
Brain cells ailin'? Vote for Palin!
Mark
We all woke up Lisa it's time for you to get your head out of your arse and do the same.
In case you haven't noticed the policies of GW Bush and the GOP have us facing the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Yet, you in all your infinite wisdom question why we would support the opposition party.
Einstein described insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Well a vote for John McCain is a vote for more of the same Bush policies that have us where we are today with the expectations of differing results.
I think I will pass.
Lisa,
The redistribution of wealth has been going on for a long time, but in the opposite direction than you seem to think and it is achieved through "deregulation", as well as a favorable tax structure, when the goal is to give more wealth and power to the already wealthy and powerful.
Take the time to read the following study.
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html
How much did all of you save with Bush's tax cut on dividends? How do you think the wealthiest 1% of Americans who own 39% of the country's financial wealth did? Why is it that the money that people earn by going to work everyday is taxed at 28% or more, while if you "earn" your living by sitting at home collecting the dividends on multiple millions of dollars, that you probably inherited in the first place, you pay just 10% ?
Read the study.
Barry
Great day for the "right to bear arms in the 21st century lobby" today.
The poor little Hudson boy is found as no-one wanted to find him; an eight-year-old accidentally kills himself with a recoiling Uzi sub-machine gun at a Mass. gun show; and then we have the White Supremacist pair who decided they'd take out 100 or so blacks before assassinating Senator Obama in a do-or-die attack.
And you wonder why some of us think it's time to kick off the "how the West was won" mentality...
Mark
Mark -
This one's catchy! Like it!
"Foes need nailin'? Vote for Palin!"
Barry -
Do you consider someone in NY who makes $200,000 rich? When that small business owner has to pay MORE in capital gains, MORE in estate taxes, MORE in business taxes, he is going to have LESS to spend on employees, advertising, insurance, etc. etc. Less employees, less jobs, higher unemployment, forced to raise prices hence higher inflation. What about that don't you understand? Me? I'm all for a flat tax. But I am NOT for big government taking MORE money from hard working people just because they worked hard and made it so that big government can distribute it to the underclass as it sees fit.
Are not the top 1% of earners also the greatest philanthropists? Shouldn't the greatest nation on this planet permit those great entrepreneurs the right to share their money as they deem fit?
Please refer to John Galt's final speech.
I live in NY and if I made 200,000 I would consider myself richer than I am now.
Anon -
Ah.... a relativist. I didn't ask if $200,00 is "richer" than you are now. You could be a homeless person typing on a library computer. I asked if a $200,000 income in NY is rich.
I would consider 200,000 in NY as rich, especially when you live within your means
At this point I can't believe that we're not storming the gate with pitchforks and torches.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aVann0.cv9Tw&refer=home
arry
LA Times Refusing to Release Video of Obama
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31688_LA_Times_Hiding_Incriminating_Video_of_Obama_with_Radical_Palestinian_Update-_Ayers_and_Dohrn_Attended_Khalidi_Party_with_Obama
Truth or rumor? Demand that the LA Times respond.... write to:
readers.rep@latimes.com
How Does this Apply to YOU?
Obama's plan to redistribute wealth in this country can seem very distant if you only buy his 95% will get a tax reduction line. However, this recently released tape from 2001 gives us a better picture of what his overall ideology really consists of. The context of the discussion from which this tape was lifted was funding for school districts:
http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-2001-radio-interview.html
Let's put this in perspective. Here in LVCSD, we spend over $30,000 per pupil. We are now referring to your property taxes, not income taxes. Your school taxes comprise roughly 2/3 of your total property taxes. Under an Obama administration, in order for spending to be fair and equal, a set amount per pupil must be established county-wide. For the purpose of this example, let's pick $25,000. That sounds fair, right? Good. Districts like Wyandanch, Hempstead, Roosevelt, currently spend less than $25,000 per pupil. In order to increase the spending in those districts without raising taxes there, the money must come from somewhere else.....districts like Jericho and LVCSD. They can afford it, right? So what happens? Residents in LVCSD and Jericho continue to pay the tax rate for $30,000 per pupil, while having to REDUCE SERVICES by $5,000 per pupil. How do we accomplish that? Fire teachers, reduce programs. But according to Obama, it's good for everybody, right?
Lisa - you are too much - you fail to mention that Locust Valley School District received over 2.9 million dollars from the State of NY towards its budget - where did that come from? Oh yeah - from taxes paid by residents of the entire State - not solely from the residents of Locust Valley and Bayville. And there were federal funds of more than 500,000 that went to the district. Where did that come from? Oh yeah federal taxes. And some of your federal taxes may have gone to schools in other states - that is the plan we have NOW - under President BUSH and the countless presidents before him. So enough of the nonsense of pretending that Obama has this new idea to redistribute wealth - that is the system we have NOW and taxes have been redistributed for YEARS - long before Obama was an elected official.
Either you know nothing about how the district is funded (which I doubt is true) or you are purposefully trying to mislead (which is the more likely scenario). Which one is it?
Anonymous,
So, if we concentrate on those funds instead of our property taxdollars directly appropriated to LVCSD, you would support an even greater allocation of those funds to lower-income districts so that LVCSD would have to increase our taxes even more to make up the difference???? Remember, Obama is declaring that the Bush policies are all wrong and unfair.
If memory serves, our Board members were quite active in recent years trying rather unsuccessfully to get MORE State Aid allocated to our district. That surely isn't going to happen under an Obama/Patterson administration. Open your eyes!
And let's not forget about all of the administrative whining about "unfunded mandates" for NCLB. What do you predict will happen to NCLB under an Obama administration and where will additional funding come from?
I am the first to admit that I am no expert on schools funding and I know that others here are; but I would like to pin down, Lisa, whether your speculation about LI schools under Obama's plan is substantiated. Nothing I read in his policies on his own site or others' comments on them reflects your hypothesis. So is this just you spinning the 'redistribution' argument again, or can you offer any qualification?
Although you beg others to 'open their eyes', it does seem that most of your sources are obscure right-wing sites and wacky blogs; it is always interesting to read some of the OTHER headlines at such sites, which quickly highlight their partiality.
Mark
Mark -
I Googled the radio broadcast. Ignore whatever else is on the blog. Just listen to Obama's words. I wanted to provide you with the actual radio broadcast, not a written interpretation by a right wing blogger.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081027102934AAsHCtt
So how come, Mark?
Mark,
I have to thank you for prodding me to further investigate Obama's published educational plan:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/education/Fact_Sheet_Education_Reform_Speech_FINAL.pdf
>>>>>>>>the school district and teachers worked together to close down a large,
low-performing high school and open 6 new small schools to let parents and students choose between schools
that focus on the arts or on technology, offer an International Baccalaureate (I
workplace internships or world languages.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That's just great. Just what I want to see happen...... NOT!
Barry -
Outraged at Goldman Sachs? You'll be interested to know that besides being large contributors to IBO, GS also manages the IBO Trust fund out of Paris.
Say NO to IBO
Say NO to Obama!
Use your brain, vote McCain!
Lisa wrote:
So, if we concentrate on those funds instead of our property tax dollars directly appropriated to LVCSD, you would support an even greater allocation of those funds to lower-income districts so that LVCSD would have to increase our taxes even more to make up the difference????
My answer - yes. I paid higher property taxes and school taxes in my last home than I pay with regard to my home in this school district. So I am not adverse to paying more.
I think it helps our State and our Country as a whole to have better educated students and if the more fortunate pay a little more - so be it. Where are all your philanthropists donating to Wyandanch, Roosevelt and Hempstead (districts you mentioned above) so that they have $30,000 per student to make the playing field level with Locust Valley? Obviously they are not around or there would ot be a spending disparity.
If some of my local, state and federal taxes go to help educate those in less wealthy areas of Long Island, in the long run it will benefit all of us that live here. I am sure you will disagree.
Lisa wrote:
So, if we concentrate on those funds instead of our property tax dollars directly appropriated to LVCSD, you would support an even greater allocation of those funds to lower-income districts so that LVCSD would have to increase our taxes even more to make up the difference????
My answer - yes. I paid higher property taxes and school taxes in my last home than I pay with regard to my home in this school district. So I am not adverse to paying more.
I think it helps our State and our Country as a whole to have better educated students and if the more fortunate pay a little more - so be it. Where are all your philanthropists donating to Wyandanch, Roosevelt and Hempstead (districts you mentioned above) so that they have $30,000 per student to make the playing field level with Locust Valley? Obviously they are not around or there would not be a spending disparity.
If some of my local, state and federal taxes go to help educate those in less wealthy areas of Long Island, in the long run it will benefit all of us that live here. I am sure you will disagree.
>>>http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081027102934AAsHCtt
So how come, Mark?>>>
Read the comments under the very link you post. That's why not. Your 2001 radio broadcast is edited to heck to make a particular point. You're trying to make mountains out of molehills.
Thanks for posting the link to Obama's education paper, however, which gives everyone a chance to read his overall perspective rather than a phrase or two taken out of context.
Mark
Lisa - I also find it interesting the examples you gave for school district spending - Wyandanch, Roosevelt and Hempstead - predominantly minority school districts.
Did you know that in 2007-2008 Franklin Squre spent $15,885 and Bellmore Merrick $18,440 per student?
www.ppinys.org/taxes/schooltax2007.pdf
These districts have a greater white population than the ones you mentioned and spend less per student than we do. Would you be adverse to using some of your tax dollars to help these districts?
Lisa - I also find interesting the examples you gave for school district spending - Wyandanch, Roosevelt and Hempstead - predominantly minority school districts.
Did you know that in 2007-2008 Franklin Squre spent $15,885 and Bellmore Merrick spent $18,440 per student?
www.ppinys.org/taxes/schooltax2007.pdf
These districts have a greater white population than the ones you mentioned and spend less per student than we do. Would you be adverse to using some of your tax dollars to help these districts?
Anonymous:
Ah, so you acknowledge that Obama's redistribution ideology focuses on "correcting" an aspect of the CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT which the courts "failed" to address? Very good. I'm going to venture that the CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT wasn't advocating more rights and funding for middle-class white Americans like those in Bellmore and Franklin Square?
As to me personally, I oppose any sort of redistribution of my property taxes which are to be used for the specific purpose of benefiting minorities while hurting middle-class white folk. THAT is where ideologically Obama wants the money redistributed to. It constitutes loss of local control, something our district has already partially handed over to Geneva. If taxpayers in Franklin Square and Bellmore-Merrick want higher spending for their students then let those taxpayers approve a larger budget and decide for themselves how the money should be spent, rather than the Feds telling them we'll get you more money, but we want you to dissolve your local MS/HS and create 6 or 7 charter schools so people have more alleged "choice"! Oh, and btw, at least one of those choices will be IB. What happens when too many people in a district "choose" one of the non-IB charters and there isn't enough room? Who is going to pay for the creation, construction and administration of all these schools? It is an outrage, a disaster in the making I tell you! How does that promote community? How does that promote the unity found in the word community? It is divisive, controversial and downright radical. It is deconstructivist. And it is dangerous.
I didn't think I had to spell out for you WHY I focused on Wyandanch, Hempstead and Roosevelt. Do you see how silly your question is now? Should I laugh at you and ask who writes your questions for you?
Lisa - I never mentioned civil rights in any of my posts - you are the race baiter picking the minority school districts for your examples and stating that this is a civil rights issue.
It is an issue of giving tax breaks to the less wealthy - white, black, brown or whatever color a person may be.
There are less fortunate white folks in Bayville that likely get the Earned Income Tax credit. Have you been out there arguing against that redistribution of our tax dollars to those that earn less? Do you say maybe they should work harder? What about the free school lunches at at school - your tax dolalrs pay for that - are you out there arguing against that? Perhaps not - is that because that goes to the mostly white children in our town?
The earned income tax credit was set up during the Reagan Administration and is another example of redistributing the wealth - set up by Republicans.
You could have picked Bellmore Merrick or Franklin Square as examples of the differences in wealth and stayed away from the race issue if your beef was really against a redistribution of wealth. It seems by your posts that you are adverse only to the redistribution of tax funds to minorities. And to me, that is a sad commentary.
Anonymous- But at least in the program set up by Regan, you got the tax dollars back, not someone that is not working or chooses not to.
Au contrare. It was Monsieur Obama who made it a CIVIL RIGHTS/race issue in his 2001 radio broadcast. His basic ideology is still his basic ideology, even though he has not chosen to illustrate it in the same way throughout his campaign. I am merely connecting the dots.
Anonymous,
I know it makes you feel better to paint me as the racist instead of Obama. Of course he wants you middle income ($250,000? $200,000? $150,000? $50,000?) white folk to believe that he's talking about you too. He's way too smooth and intelligent to announce during a presidential campaign that he wants to be able to legislatively, without court approval, redistribute federal funds specifically to benefit those of color under the banner of "fairness" and civil rights. He'd have to be a complete and utter moron to do that! And I've never called Obama a moron. Biden, yes, Obama, no.
New polling in Michigan shows that the Obama/Biden campaign has plunged 11% in the polls over the past two weeks!
Two polls, one internal poll and one private, show our efforts for the past 2 weeks to sneak in and take this state for McCain/Palin are paying off. As you know, we stepped up our efforts in Michigan after Obama's campaign pulled most of their advertising and staff out of the state, believing the state was "safe" for Obama.
Dear right-wingers--
Tonight is the opening night for the NBA. Lebron James and the Cavs take on the champion Celtics led by Kevin Garnett....both black people. It's OK, nobody can see you watching your TV sets if you close the blinds. It's OK to be a fan of the NBA despite it's large number of African Americans. It's really a good sport to watch, especially if you can get over the fact that the blacks are much better than the whites. Tune in to TNT tonight...I think Elizabeth Hasselbeck is singing the national anthem.
gettin nervous patriot ? or you lefties just can't help yourself from playing the race card .what a moron .
I am Moving Into Your Village and Would Like to Find A Place For My HUD Housing.
This Blog reflects A Very Suitable Place for low income housing.
Does Anyone know of any Homes for sale in Your area that I can Make Section *?
Who is "we", OCDB? Obama has not deserted Michigan, McCain has - annoying his sidekick (justifiably, in my view - a Brownie point for Palin, there) in the process.
Show us these mysterious polls, please, do..
Mark
Hi HUD ESTATE
If I understand you correctly, you are looking for somewhere to live, rather than speaking as a developer.
Whichever way, you should be in touch with the Town of Oyster Bay for further assistance:
http://www.oysterbaytown.com
Hope this helps,
Mark
I agree with MB regarding his gun control comment. Also to McCain Palin can't even get the Anchorage Daily News endorsement ( I know its a few days old)
"Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee, brings far more promise to the office. In a time of grave economic crisis, he displays thoughtful analysis, enlists wise counsel and operates with a cool, steady hand. The same cannot be said of Sen. McCain. ...Yet despite her formidable gifts, few who have worked closely with the governor would argue she is truly ready to assume command of the most important, powerful nation on earth. To step in and juggle the demands of an economic meltdown, two deadly wars and a deteriorating climate crisis would stretch the governor beyond her range. Like picking Sen. McCain for president, putting her one 72-year-old heartbeat from the leadership of the free world is just too risky at this time."
IAm a SEction 8 OwnEr and Want To Buy In Your Town.
I See THat Locust vaLLEy hAs Section 8 HousIng.
It WOuld Be Nice to Move Into Your VIllAge. From ThiS BloG You SEem to Be A very Diverse NeighBor.
Anyone who has heath care through their employer should be wary of the McCain's plan that may end your employer based coverage. Then those with pre-existing medcial conditions may have to enter a "high risk" pool forcing those people to pay substantially more than they pay now under employuer based plans:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27428664/
"McCain acknowledges that such a free-market climate would inevitably freeze out some people with serious medical problems who are looking for insurance on their own. So he is calling for a guaranteed access plan, a federal effort to share the cost of high-risk pools and dramatically expand their reach -- from fewer than 200,000 Americans in state plans today to perhaps 5 million . . . "
"California's high-risk pool is so strapped that it put a limit on enrollment this year and lowered the maximum it would spend on anyone's treatment. Tennessee's pool has had to eliminate low-income subsidies for new members. Florida's pool has not let in anyone since 1991."
Anon,
You are soooo very wrong.
Employer based insurance may soon be part of your income and will not end.
Your source of information is liberal based pushing for a socialized system.
Anon - how can you be so sure that my employer will keep my coverage intact? My employer may say - you get a tax credit from McCain - now you go out and buy your own coverage in the free market - that is the Mccain way - free market - get insurance across state lines - less regulation. McCain's plan does not force my employer to continue my coverage - less regulation - so what law will force my employer to continue coverage for me? What incentive is built into the McCain plan to make it appealing for my employer to continue my coverage?
Is Sarah palin also a socailist? See her comments before she was the VP pick
In the New Yoker magazine:
www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/11/03/081103taco_talk_hertzberg
A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist—Philip Gourevitch, of this magazine—that “we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs."
Patriot -
You are a very disturbed individual. I watched O'Reilly and Larry King last night, not NBA.
Anonymous -
You are as ignorant as the looney Liberal Alan Colmes. Alaska is geographically light years apart in terms of its natural resources than the lower 48. Palin was referring to giving back to ALL Alaskan natives a percentage of the huge profits generated by private oil, gas and mining companies directly to the people, NOT .gov taxing the heck out of those companies and deciding which group of "underserved" people the money should be redistributed to.
Anon,
Isn't that something you should be asking your employer not this blog?
HUD ESTATE
As previously stated, in my own view your best approach is to start with the relevant department in Plainview, NY, as below:
http://www.oysterbaytown.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={DD8ADCFA-C419-4658-A354-6F614E7B9675}
This thread is on the particular subject of the Presidential Election and not the right place to be asking. Good luck to you, however.
Mark
HUD ESTATE
I meant to add that you might also try
Glen Cove Housing Authority at 516-671-3161.
Mark
Anon -
I am asking you because you affirmatively stated that employer based coverage "will not end" under the McCain plan - I want to know how you can be so sure? Do you have a link to a portion of the McCain plan that states that employers will be given incentives to keep the current plans or will be mandated under the law to keep such plans?
I am sure my employer will not give me a straight answer at this time as it is unknown who will win the election.
If I were an employer and did not get an incentive to keep the employer based coverage and I was not mandated by law to provide such coverage (like worker's comp is mandated under the worker's comp law for employers with x number of employees) then I would get rid of it.
I wanted to know where your confidence came from on the issue that your heath care coverage will remain in tact. I would not make that assumption.
I Am A CFO
Anon - with all due respect -the fact that you are a CFO does not really answer my question.
As a Chief Financial Officer of a corporation, have you been given briefings as to what a McCain health plan will provide to your corporation as an incentive to continue providing employer subsidized health care to your employees? If some of your employees (younger ones) choose to go out to the market to pay less for heath care and your corporation only has older employees that want to keep the employer subsidized health plan - will your corp continue to fund a health plan for the older employees even though the corp portion of the heath care insurance premium will increase (the insurers will likely increase your corp costs if all the insureds areolder employees and more likely to make claims as opposed to the younger ones ho rarely go to the MD and the insurer makes money on those insureds)?
Please expand on your answer to enlighten me, since as a CFO I am sure you have considered these scenarios.
Dear CFO,
Currently, Federal law does not FORCE employers to provide health/pension benefits. It is up to individual states and employers to decide if those are benefits that should be offered. Under an Obama administration, private employers will face huge penalties for not providing universal health care benefits:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-01-16-health_N.htm
This is socialized health care and a very slippery slope. Taking away the right of corporations to choose whether or not to provide health insurance benefits and slamming them if they don't, dictating which doctors employees can go to and not providing any sort of tax credit ($5,000) as McCain proposes, is simply the wrong way to go.
I invite everyone to any of the free quote websites for health insurance on the web and see what it costs for the non self employed to buy out in the market.
You put in your zip code and for Bayville for an individual, 50 year old person, the rate for coverage for a non-self employed individual with Empire Direct is $887.85 per month - that is $10,654.20 a year.
If McCain is giving me $5000 - I have to pay $5654.20 - which is $471.18 per month. I do not pay that much now.
So if my employer says - I am not funding your health care anymore - - go to the market like McCain said - and buy your care - I am worse off.
You should check these figures for yourself and not rely on me.
Government financed health insurance plans: money is collected through taxes or premiums by a quasi public fund that reimburses health care providers
Employer mandated private health insurance plans: The government requires employers to pay for all or part of private health insurance policies for their employees.
Individual mandated private health
insurance plans: the gov't requires individuals to purchase private health insurance, with subsidies for low income people
Mixed plans: gov't financed insurance for the elderly and the poor, employer mandated private insurance for the employed and their dependents, individual mandated pvt insurance for people with out insurance
.........So if my employer says - I am not funding your health care anymore - - go to the market like McCain said - and buy your care - I am worse off. >>>>>>>>>
Are you? If your employer is not FORCED to provide you with health insurance (do you pay into it at all? Or does your employer pay 100%?)your employer will have more cash flow to put into other aspects of the business, such as raising salaries or hiring more people. With a $5,000 a year raise plus McCain's tax cut, you'll be in a much better position. McCain will only tax you on your health benefits if they are actual benefits provided by your employer. If you are footing the bill entirely on your own, you wouldn't incur that tax.
You can't ask for a tax credit and ask your employer to contribute to your health insurance. That would be stealing.
You either take your tax credit, and purchase your own or you purchase from your employer.
In your case you would choose to continue to purchase from your employer.
That is your choice.
It is not mandated.
McCain/Palin 08
Lisa wrote:
With a $5,000 a year "raise" plus McCain's tax cut, you'll be in a much better position.
Huh? I wrote above that I would have to pay over $10,000 a year and fter deducting the $5000 I would pay $471.18 per month, if I had to pay on my own without my employer's help. I now pay about $200 per month now with my employers help.
And there is no guarantee that my employer will continue to give coverage to all if all the employees are not part of the plan (the 18-25 years olds pay much less on their own and can opt out of the employer plan under the McCain plan - maybe they will take the $5000 in their own pocket and not buy insurance with it)
So how am I better off? If my employer hires more people - that does not help me either so I do not get that part. I have to hope that my employer raises salaries if he does not pay into health care and I do not expect that to occur. You must work for a benevolent company.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9J3dQ-L4Xs
Still, in today’s “traditional Gallup” Daily Tracking Poll (the one that screens likely voters most rigorously, based on past votes), Obama leads McCain by only two percentage points, 49 to 47 percent.
Lisa wrote:
McCain will only tax you on your health benefits if they are actual benefits provided by your employer.
I do not pay such a tax now. Why would I vote for someone who is clearly going to tax me on somthing that I do nto pay tax on now?
I can't afford the $474 per month to use the tax credit under McCain.
Under my current plan - I can use pre-tax money from a flexible medical spending account to pay my share of the health costs and I do not pay tax on that money. It comes off my taxible income on my W2 form.
Why would I want to now pay a tax on my costs and a tax on my employer's costs for health care? That does not help me and that is why I would not vote for McCain - he is not helping the middle class.
All you McCain supporters better look to see what your new costs of health care will look like. Either take the $5000 and buy on your own at an icreased rate, or keep the employer coverage and now pay tax on it - its a lose lose situation.
Anonymous,
A flexible spending account is not taxable and you put that money into it,
up to 5,000 per year. It is not a health benefit.
Please go to school and educate yourself.
>>>Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous,>>>
My head is spinning reading all these contradictory posts from the same person. Or not. I knew there were Republican voters, Democrat voters and even Independents, but I didn't know there were Anonymous voters
C'mon guys/gals.. at least take the trouble to think up a name for yourself if you don't wish to use your own!
Mark
Anon
I will pay tax on the amount that my employer contrbutes to my health care and I do not pay tax on that now - so I am not better off.
And whose to say that McCain will not try to do away with the flex spending accts?
You need to educate yourself on what the McCain plan is proposing. I have been reading up on it - have you?
You must be one of the wealthy ones like McCain. And please tell us what "school" is giving classes on the McCain health care proposal so we can both sign up for it.
There was no reason for the personal attack telling me to go educate myself - I was respectful to you. Too bad you cannot be respectful to others. Not a good role model.
No use complaining about the anonymous uncreative cowards, Mark. It would appear that it's too dark where their heads are to think up a name
Here's the biggest difference between Obama's and McCain's plan - Obama's FORCES employers to offer his universal plan or else pay a fine (which we never DID learn how much that would be, despite repeated requests to provide that information) McCain's is about choice, free enterprise, growth and a hands off approach by the government. The government can help find ways to make purchasing health care easier like the $5,000 credit or the ability to buy across state lines, but if your employer is GIVING you $12,000 a year in benefits, then you have to pay a tax on that. It becomes considered income, so I am assuming the rate would be according to your individual tax bracket. While this line item would be a relatively insignificant amount on one personal tax return, the revenue generated from the millions who receive public pensions/health benefits could be HUGE! Mandatory governmental imposition of national legislation, do it or else pay a fine, is not my idea of capitalism and free enterprise. Crack down on what some of these insurance companies are getting away with, please, but don't impose controls on private business when it comes to health care, unless of course, you are working for a government agency in which case .gov has every right to impose those regulations.
Bottom Line
Obama/Biden = Nanny State, controlled and manipulated population
McCain/Palin = Individualism, entrepreneurial spirit, free
The choice couldn't be more clear.
>>>The choice couldn't be more clear.>>>
To you, obviously. Strange how people interpret things differently; I could easily reverse your descriptions, and they would fit just as neatly.
But I'll be more interesting:
McCain/Palin: Divisive, erratic, confrontational
Obama/Biden: Uniting, inspiring, bipartisan
It's still not too late to change your mind, Lisa! Wake up and smell the roses! Or oysters, whatever!
Mark
Mark -
You appear confused. It is McCain/Palin with the history of bipartisanship, not Obama/Biden who voted along party lines 100% of the time!
Divisive is a President who fuels class warfare by punishing the wealthy to give a handout to the poor.
Inspiring? Well, obviously he inspired you, but I find my cat more inspiring.
And frankly, I want a Commander in Chief who has the character and mettle to BE confrontational in the face of our enemies, not some wuss who is going to sit down without preconditions for tea with nutjobs like Achmadinijad.
It's never too late to change your mind either, Mark.
USE YOUR BRAIN, VOTE MCCAIN!!
>>>And frankly, I want a Commander in Chief who has the character and mettle to BE confrontational in the face of our enemies, not some wuss who is going to sit down without preconditions for tea with nutjobs like Achmadinijad.>>>
Apart from the fact that your statement happens to be incorrect - Obama has never said that he would meet with foreign leaders without preconditions - you sum up there the very reason we should NOT have another four years of the same approach to countries beyond our shores.
I begin to think that you have no idea at all of the damage the current administration has done to the name of the United States. Obama can do much to repair things; the thought of McCain and Palin rattling their sabres around the Middle East is too much to bear.
Mark
Mark -
Have we had another 9/11 under the Bush administration? No, we have not. Has the surge in Iraq worked? Yes, it has. Id the threat of Islamic terrorism eradicated from the world? No, it is not.
And you are WRONG about Obama never saying that he would meet with foreign leaders without preconditions, he not only says it, he goes on to try and make it look like Kissinger said it too and Kissinger came right out the next day to refute Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6r1Hl3ZV8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBDhytuOx6g
Really, Mark, pay attention. Facts are facts.
I wonder how many votes Obama is losing in PA and FL (and elsewhere) right now due to pissed off baseballs fans?
A tiny fraction of what he will be gaining from the hitherto undecided following his infomercial. They would only have been Republican baseball fans, anyway, and anyone who thinks Game 5 is more important than this election is probably going to forget to vote anyway.
You did watch it, of course, Lisa? Or were you hiding under the sofa?
Mark
OBAMA BIDEN
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We should not have been in Iraq because there were no WMD's - I am so sick of the right wing beating the drum of the surge - they think we are so stupid that we will forget that we should not have gone in there to begin with!
Go OBAMA!
Mark -
>>>>>You did watch it, of course, Lisa?>>>>>
Hell no. I was on the phone with a friend and shut the TV off the second he came on. The guy creeps me out.
Mark -
You forgot to post your retraction about Obama being willing to sit down with foreign leaders without preconditions. I'm waiting.
LA TIMES - RELEASE THE TAPE!!!!!!!!!!
Lisa, no retraction necessary. You're blinded by John McCain's own simple interpretation for his tongue-wagging followers - "Obama just wants to go and have a cup of tea with the President of Iran" (or whoever). Obama favours diplomacy wherever possible rather than no contact at all, yes - he's doesn't seem particularly inclined to rush into illegal wars as did this administration, you will concede - but he will clearly lay the groundwork through low and high level diplomacy before even considering any face to face meeting. What do you think? - that he'll just hop on his bike and pedal over there?
Don't you get bored only watching Fox News? Try some other channels occasionally, maybe.
Mark
Why the heck should LA Times release "the" tape? You are a journalist yourself, and know perfectly well why not.
Mark
McCain faults paper for not releasing Khalidi tape
By BETH FOUHY
Associated Press Writer
10.30.08
BOWLING GREEN, Ohio (AP) -- Republicans John McCain and Sarah Palin accused the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday of protecting Barack Obama by withholding a videotape of the Democrat attending a 2003 party for a Palestinian-American professor and critic of Israel. The paper said it had written about the event in April and would not release the tape because of a promise to the source who provided it.
McCain and Palin called Rashid Khalidi a former spokesman for the Palestine Liberation Organization, a characterization Khalidi has denied in the past. Both candidates said guests at the party made critical comments about Israel.
Khalidi is a professor of Middle East Studies at Columbia University and a longtime friend of Obama's. Khalidi has publicly criticized Israel, but he and Obama have both said they hold very different opinions on Israeli issues.
McCain also has ties to Khalidi through a group Khalidi helped found 15 years ago. The Center for Palestine Research and Studies received at least $448,000 from an organization McCain chairs.
On Wednesday, McCain said 1960s radical Bill Ayers had attended the same party in 2003. McCain and Palin have criticized Obama for his ties to Ayers and questioned what the videotape of the party might show.
"Among other things, Israel was described there as the perpetrator of terrorism rather than the victim," Palin said at a rally in Ohio. "What we don't know is how Barack Obama responded to these slurs on a country that he professes to support."
In a story published in April, the Times said Obama spoke out at the event on the need for common ground on the Israel-Palestinian issue. Obama has said during the campaign that his commitment to Israel's security is "nonnegotiable."
"More than six months ago the Los Angeles Times published a detailed account of the events shown on the videotape," Jamie Gold, the newspaper's reader's representative, said in a statement. "The Times is not suppressing anything. Just the opposite - the L.A. Times brought the matter to light."
Los Angeles Times spokeswoman Nancy Sullivan refused to elaborate on the paper's statement or respond to the criticism from the McCain campaign.
She would not provide any details on further communication between Times' reporters and the source who provided the video.
McCain and Palin cited the paper's position as evidence of media bias. The Times has endorsed Obama.
"If there was a tape of John McCain in a neo-Nazi outfit, I think the treatment of the issue would be slightly different," McCain said in an interview with Hispanic radio stations.
Palin said the Times should win a Pulitzer Prize for "kowtowing."
"It must be nice for a candidate to have major news organizations looking out for their best interests like that. Politicians would love to have a pet newspaper of their very own," she said.
Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor dismissed the complaints as a "recycled, manufactured controversy" meant to distract voters.
"Barack Obama has been clear and consistent on his support for Israel, and has been clear that Rashid Khalidi is not an adviser to him or his campaign and that he does not share Khalidi's views," Vietor said.
Khalidi taught at the University of Chicago until 2003. Obama and his wife, Michelle, often socialized with Khalidi and his wife, Mona, and the Khalidis hosted a political fundraiser for Obama in 2000.
The Woods Fund charity gave money to the Arab-American Action Network, run by Mona Khalidi, while Obama served on the charity's board. Ayers also served on the board.
The Center for Palestine Research and Studies conducted regular public opinion surveys in the West Bank and Gaza with financial support from various foundations and from the International Republican Institute, an organization that promoted democracy around the world. McCain was the IRI chairman when it gave $448,873 to the research group in 1998, according to IRI's tax return.
Ayers was a founder of the radical group the Weather Underground, which set off bombs at the Capitol and the Pentagon to protest the Vietnam War. McCain has criticized Obama for having had a friendly relationship with Ayers, with whom Obama worked on two community organizations several years ago, and for downplaying their ties.
Obama has noted that he was a child when Ayers, now a university professor, was with the Weather Underground. The Democratic candidate has condemned Ayers' radical past and violent activities.
© 2008 The Associated Press.
They really are scrabbling in the dirt now, aren't they?
OBAMA/BIDEN '08
Mark
Digging for dirt -
>>>>>McCain was the IRI chairman when it gave $448,873 to the research group in 1998, according to IRI's tax return.>>>>>>
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/10/mccain_gave_money_to_khalidi.php
>>>>>>>>The relationship extends back as far as 1993, when John McCain joined IRI as chairman in January. Foreign Affairs noted in September of that year that IRI had helped fund several extensive studies in Palestine run by Khalidi’s group, including over 30 public opinion polls and a study of “sociopolitical attitudes.”>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It seems to me that McCain was USING Khalidi to gather direct "intelligence" as to how the Palestinian people "think", not supporting terrorist activities. (please note both of those words are in scare quotes
Promptness Matters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah9W24oMIRc
If he can't even make it to Senate Hearing meetings on time, where will he be if that red phone rings at 3:00 AM?
Poor Mark,
Seems like you spent too much time in the sun this summer. You are looking at this election through rose color glasses.
Obama can't keep his figures straight. First it's 250k then the "Hollywood" star said 200K last night, and his running mate says 150k. Which is it - door 1) 150k door 2) 200k or door 3) 250k
Don't trust the poll's. They have been wrong in the past.
>>>Seems like you spent too much time in the sun this summer.>>>
I wish, small town!
To my understanding, Obama's position is clear on this. Individuals/couples making less than $150,000 get a tax cut. Between $150,000 and $250,00 you don't get a tax cut, but your taxes don't go up either. Those earning in excess of $250,000 will pay more.
I realize that the many think only of themselves in all this - what will an Obama presidency mean to me, me, me? - but Obama represents much more than such a narrow focus. Can you not see, even if only for a brief moment by using your imagination, that he has the potential to do something really important for this country, both domestically and on the world stage? Go and ask people in England what they think. Go and ask people in China what they think. Obama does not stamp his foot like McCain proclaiming that we must achieve "victory" in Iraq and elsewhere; he understands that such rabble-rousing arrogance can only breed further discontent. We need peace, not victory. For that reason alone, he is the right man for America at this time. I do believe that he is capable of uniting people both here and around the world.
This is about you, anyway. With Obama, this country will be safer than with "more of the same". He will bring the right generals around him, never fear; he is a listener, unlike The Multiple Mavericks.
Might take him a while to win Lisa over, but we'll see. She'll be a sorry soul for the next four years or more if she can't find something positive to cheer her up
Mark
We have 4 1/2 days left to fight for our country, friends, and we write to you with evidence that our efforts are making a big difference.
First, you'll recall before we swept into Nevada with the "Stop Obama Tour" and statewide advertising campaign, Obama had built a lead over McCain. But 5 days after we hit the state with our pro-McCain/Palin and anti-Obama/Biden ads and rallies and free media coverage, polls showed McCain had tied Obama.
That trend is happening again in Michigan. Rasmussen Reports has released a new poll today confirming what our internal polls had shown: McCain has gained significantly in Michigan, while everyone else in the media and campaigns have been focusing on other states.
Our strategy has worked - and worked in a big way!
Back on October 19th the Big 10 Battleground Poll had Obama up +22% (just as we were about to enter Michigan with our "Stop Obama Tour" and ad campaign).
Then the Detroit News released a poll showing Obama +14%.
Today Rasmussen Reports shows the margin has closed again to 10% - and this poll was taken before the newest round of our ad campaign.
And our internal polls show the race tightening even more.
We have until the end of the day tomorrow to place any additional advertising buys in Michigan. With your help we can save this state, and turn its 17 Electoral Votes to McCain/Palin. It will shock the Obama camp (which has largely pulled out of Michigan) and the media and change the entire political landscape on Election Night.
We have 4 1/2 days left to fight for our country, friends, and we write to you with evidence that our efforts are making a big difference.
First, you'll recall before we swept into Nevada with the "Stop Obama Tour" and statewide advertising campaign, Obama had built a lead over McCain. But 5 days after we hit the state with our pro-McCain/Palin and anti-Obama/Biden ads and rallies and free media coverage, polls showed McCain had tied Obama.
That trend is happening again in Michigan. Rasmussen Reports has released a new poll today confirming what our internal polls had shown: McCain has gained significantly in Michigan, while everyone else in the media and campaigns have been focusing on other states.
Our strategy has worked - and worked in a big way!
Back on October 19th the Big 10 Battleground Poll had Obama up +22% (just as we were about to enter Michigan with our "Stop Obama Tour" and ad campaign).
Then the Detroit News released a poll showing Obama +14%.
Today Rasmussen Reports shows the margin has closed again to 10% - and this poll was taken before the newest round of our ad campaign.
And our internal polls show the race tightening even more.
We have until the end of the day tomorrow to place any additional advertising buys in Michigan. With your help we can save this state, and turn its 17 Electoral Votes to McCain/Palin. It will shock the Obama camp (which has largely pulled out of Michigan) and the media and change the entire political landscape on Election Night.
Heart-warming quote, OCDB, but Michigan alone won't get your man into the Oval Office, even if your quote bore fruit.
Independent tax assessment on the comparative McCain/Obama tax plans just now, on CBS: Obama will run up a 3.5 trillion deficit over ten years! Horrors! Ah, but wait a minute: McCain will put us 5 trillion in the red. Ah well. At least by then there's some chance we won't have a war to pay for.
Mark
Mark -
>>>>>>>>>>>To my understanding, Obama's position is clear on this. Individuals/couples making less than $150,000 get a tax cut. Between $150,000 and $250,00 you don't get a tax cut, but your taxes don't go up either. Those earning in excess of $250,000 will pay more.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Clear is it? So now those who make less than $150,000 constitutes the 95% of Americans who will get a tax cut?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
>>>>>>>>>>19.26% of all households had annual incomes exceeding $100,000>>>>>>
Nationwide. That looks a heckuva lot more like 20% than 5% to me. For the Metro area, that percentage is probably a lot closer to 45 or 50%. So what was promised as a "tax cut" for 95% of Americans isn't a tax cut at all - just another big fat Obama/Biden lie and misrepresentation.
Why in the world do you CARE what the communist Chinese think of America? As far as the UK with its socialized medicine and monarchy, it has remained one of our strongest allies ever since we rescued its arse in WW II, however the most popular boy's name in the UK last year was Mohammed. Biden has already "guaranteed" us an international crisis within 6 months if Obama is elected, so your deficit spending numbers don't take that into account. He's willing to wave the white flag of surrender in Iraq, what makes you think he's willing to fight any other crisis that might arise? Or you simply just don't want any fighting ever, peace at any cost, even if it means allowing our country to be taken over by Islamic terrorists?
You go OCDB!
McCain/Palin '08!!!!!!!
Mark
I don't want to live in England or China. I love the country I was born in - THE USA. I love the fact that if one works hard, they can achieve the "American Dream" I don't like that the Gov't will take my hard earned monies and past them on to people who are, let's say the lazy side. I give to the charities, I FEEL, need the help.
If Obama's skin was white, there is no way he would be running for the highest office in the land, with his lack of experience. He hasn't serve the country long enough to have a "track record". I will give him credit - he is a fabulous public speaker and can deliver one heck of a speech. However, he still has no track record. Voting "present" is a cop out.
Don't worry, small town, you can stay put. No one is suggesting you have to live in England or China, only that you might understand that the USA is not alone in the world. You don't even have to meet the "lazy" people. Just stay this side of the bridge, I'm sure you'll be fine.
As for your last post, Lisa, and particulary your last paragraph - well, what can I say? You are so far to the right that if the world were flat, which you probably think it is, you would have fallen off it by now
Who cares about what China thinks? Rescued Britain's arse? White flags of surrender? Be taken over by Islamic terrorists? I'm not even going to bother answering that lot.
Obama is not succeeding as he is because he is black, sorry. He is succeeding because he has the thinking vote.
As he said yesterday in what used to be the Republican stronghold of Sarasota: "Since when was selfishness a virtue?"
Mark
And the ARROGANCE of Obama calling all hard working, successful American workers and families SELFISH because they object to the government telling them who they MUST give MORE of their hard earned money to, is BEYOND THE PALE!
STOP OBAMA NOW!
Mark,
So what you're saying is that - God Forbid- you need heart surgery. The surgeon you would pick would be a 2nd year top of the class med student. Doesn't matter that he/she never preformed an open heart surgery before.
I don't think you would. You would want a surgeon with a "track record". Show me Obama's "track record".
Not at all, small town. Obama is intelligent and dedicated. But importantly, your "Hollywood" star will gather people around him, as Hollywood stars do. And even the best surgeons (and I've seen a few) ask their peers for second opinions and assistance. Obama does not have a closed mind, whether or not you agree with his platform.
You know that the presidency is not all about one man. It is about leadership, and he has clearly demonstrated such in his campaign alone. Throughout the (ridiculously long two-year) run-up to next week, he has been steadfast and, for the most part, positive.
McCain, however, has made one particular decision in desperation that has even turned many of his own party against him: the choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate. For all the reasons you will have read but presumably do not agree with, she is not only the wrong choice but a dangerous choice. He believed that she would fire up his campaign, and she has; but we're talking smoke and mirrors. McCain's choice of Palin, together with all the Republican baggage of Bush/Cheney, has sunk his chances in this election.
Heck, neither candidate is perfect, but we have to make a choice. And the McCain rhetoric that because he happens to have a military background he is the best man to defend this country is not valid. We're not electing a general, we're electing a diplomat who will consult with generals. Where was George W. Bush's service record when you voted HIM in?
Mark
Mark
I will agree with you that the Presidency is not based on one person. That's what scares me about Obama. His relationships of the past are very scary. As far as all to people who gather around him. Well they are all waiting for their "hand outs"
Again, Mark, show me Obama's track record. Name one thing he did as a senator for his state?
Hi Small Town - this was previously posted so you can check yourself:
You can go to
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629
which lists bills sponsored by Senator Obama for 2007-2008 at the end of the page. You can also search for Senator McCain's bill sponsorship at:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300071
You can check www.senate.gov to look up both senators to see what legislation they have sponsored.
Interestingly, Sen. Obama along with Sen. McCain were sponsors of the 1996 Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 (S. 2590), which authorized the establishment of USAspending.gov, a web search engine on federal spending
October 10
Thanks for the web sites. I will check them out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv6lvACMJBo
Wowee, Anon, thanks for that one. You're the liberal Anon, right? What a perfect example of Fox being so far on one side of the seesaw that the interviewers almost became embarrassed themselves at the rantings of Palin's Tito the Tattler...
Mark
HOW LOW CAN YOU GO?
OBAMA GOING DOWN ------------>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88ebXY2uaI
Reportedly, per the Tax Policy Center, here is how Obama's tax plan breaks down for individuals:
$0-$18,891 = $567 tax cut
$18,982-$37,595 = $892 tax cut
$37,596-$66,354 = $1,118 tax cut
$66,355-$111,645 = $1,264 tax cut
$111,646-$160,972 = $2,135 tax cut
$160,973-$226,918 = $2,796 tax cut
$226,919-$603,402 = $121 tax increase
$603,403-$2.87 million = $93,709 tax increase
$2.87 million-plus = $542,882 tax increase
Now instead of posting out-of-context sound bites, let's have a comparison based on McCain's tax plan, if you would.
McCAIN GETTING TIRED ----------- ZZZZZZ
Mark
Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven, give us this day our
daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who
trespass against us and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us
from evil. Amen.
Don't like Nobama's plan. I would end up with a tax increase of $121. In the past I have been getting 5-8 grand back.
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, taxes almost double!
NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA
* New federal 'luxury' tax proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet.
* Additional federal gasoline tax.
* New federal tax on natural gas, water and electricity.
* New tax on retirement accounts.
* New, across the board general taxes to pay for socialized medical benefits, including to illegals.
Above information may be verified at the following sites:
http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html
http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes
http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/politics/articles/mccain_obama_offer_different_visions_on_taxes.html
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/barack_obama/
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/john_mccain/
HOME SALES TAX
28% on profit from all home sales, a MAJOR 'hit' affecting retirees downsizing for equity transfer to retirement.
Mark,
The very people that Obams thought would have been supporting him are no longer or never supported him.
Sorry you can't handle it.
http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/08/new-rnc-ad-hits-obama-on-spending/
October 24, 2008
Obama Tied to Disgraced Detroit Mayor in New PAC Ad
@ 12:31 pm by Hill Staff
A new political action committee advertisement aimed at Michigan voters ties Barack Obama with former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, as well as more familiar targets William Ayers and Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
"Barack Obama and his friends represent the wrong kind of change for Michigan and America," the narrator says in the 60 second ad, produced by Our Country Deserves Better PAC. The Sacramento, California-based PAC has spent over $330,000 opposing Obama through October 15, according to Federal Election Commission (FEC) filings.
"He hopes you'll forget about the racist and anti-American rantings from his pastor of over 20 years, Rev. Jeremiah Wright," the narrator says before running two extended clips of some of Wright's more incendiary videos."
"And Obama really doesn't want Michigan voters to remember the political alliance he formed with disgraced Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick," the ad says, running clips of Obama lauding Kilpatrick, who resigned as Mayor of Detroit after pleading guilty to obstruction of justice and perjury charges.
October 31, 2008
McCain: We're Coming Back Strong
@ 6:13 pm by Chris Good
John McCain says his campaign is coming back strong in the final days of the race according to both his internal tracking polls and his gut.
"We are coming back strong," McCain told ABC News' Charlie Gibson in an interview today. "I have been in enough campaigns — I see this kind of enthusiasm and this kind of turnout. I can sense it. I can feel it more than my internal polls, which are very good."
McCain said he is within the margin of error or close behind Democratic rival Barack Obama in key swing states, including Virginia and Florida, and that he is leading in North Carolina. Public polls show Obama leading narrowly in all three, with his largest lead in Virginia (6.5 percent according to RealClearPolitics' poll average).
"There's 10, 12, 13 states. You and I could go down the list that we are within margin of error or slightly behind," McCain said in the interview, parts of which will air tonight on ABC's "World News with Charles Gibson."
"And so what matters? Turnout and who turns out. And, look, I'm very confident. The enthusiasm is there. Whether the turnout will be there, I think you and I will know better on Tuesday night."
McCain said he is confident in his chances on Nov. 4, but the Arizona Republican stopped short of guaranteeing a victory as he did last Sunday.
"I'm confident we'll win next Tuesday," McCain said. "I think we're going to fool the pundits one more time."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDcQUcAjoeI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQadAAlK9c4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgpsmf7YCLM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4enveZjRgRc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MU8OKaUvkU
Do I sense a little desperation in the Republican corner?
I only hope this country can come together after Tuesday night, whatever the result.
To quote Senator McCain, above: "I think you and I will know better on Tuesday night". Exactly. Meanwhile the sun promises to shine over the weekend, so enjoy it while it lasts! No doubt next week will be all gloom and doom for some.
Have a good weekend, everybody.
Mark
http://drudgereport.com/
ZOGBY - MCCAIN MOVES INTO LEAD 48-47 IN ONE DAY POLL!
Desperate? Not at all, Mark. Americans are finally waking up from their Kool Aid coma. You should too!
BREAKING NEWS....
The Saturday Zogby daily tracking poll has been released and John McCain has taken a 1-point LEAD over Barack Obama on the final night of the poll's three-day run. McCain led Obama 48% to 47%.
Here's the internals of the poll courtesy of the Drudge Report:
ZOGBY SATURDAY: Republican John McCain has pulled back within the margin of error... The three-day average holds steady, but McCain outpolled Obama 48% to 47% in Friday, one day, polling. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all...
Looks like Bayville also favors McCain
I heard from a student that Obama won at the HS vote. So if the students were influenced by parents - then more parents of HS students are pro Obama than pro McCain.
Go Obama!
AP: Obama’s aunt living in U.S. illegally
The middle schools vote was very close, 40'to 45's
The high school vote was high 30's to 50's
Bayville is moving towards McCain
So which is it- Bayville favors McCain or is moving towards McCain? All I know is that Obama won at the HS level. Is that any indication that those parents are pro Obama? Maybe, maybe not. We will see on election day. Go Obama!
Statistics
McCain/Palin 08
Does anyone know the hours for voting on election day at village hall?
I wonder who has been taking care of Barack's kids while he and Michelle are out on the campaign trail. Could it be his illegal aunt in PUBLIC HOUSING?
http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/528764
NOVEMBER 4TH - 6:00 AM - 9:00 PM
ALL POLLING PLACES ON LI and NYC
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE2DA143BF936A2575AC0A96E948260
McCAIN/PALIN '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the schools drive home the Democratic candidates which in turn sways the students. Keep the education in the schools and not the political influence!
Sorry, that was the wrong link. It would appear that 6AM-9PM for the general election is statewide:
http://www.866ourvote.org/state?id=0038
NEWS FLASH!
LVCSD announces that Prof. Bill Ayers and Prof. Rashid Khalidi have agreed to co-serve as IB Coordinators in LVHS after the retirement announcement by Bob Buonospina that he has just won the lottery a second time! Bob, however, will be moving to the Caymen Islands as he doesn't want to "share his wealth" here in this country. IBO has agreed to provide Bob with a nice condo there, as long as he agrees to host the IBNA annual conference next July.
BOE,
100% agree
Another Obama LIE
Obama says he didn't know aunt's illegal status
Now let's be fair, she is really only a half-aunt:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27481680/
who lives illegally in public housing but can afford to illegally donate to Obama's campaign.
Which makes me wonder how much Obama's half-brother living in China has contributed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/opinion/29cohen.html
Of course we know his OTHER half-brother lives in a crummy shack in Kenya:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6333496
And his half-sister in Hawaii:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/14/politics/main3831108.shtml
Who appears to be the only relative of Obama's truly qualified to contribute to his campaign, unless we count his poor dying nana.
Of course, Obama seems to do everything half-assed except for his incredible ability to sucker people to donate money and buy into his smooth-talk express.
The amusing thing about all this muck-stirring from the right is that many of the quotes Googled for sensation-bites alone contain much more. Here's a very prescient Roger Cohen in March of this year, from one of Lisa's frantic searches:
"Less fearful, Americans are less willing to be manipulated. They’ve backed Obama this far in part because they’re sick of the narrow American exceptionalism of Bush’s divisive rule.
Never before have U.S. fortunes been so tied to the world’s. Americans see that. When your mortgage is packaged into some ingenious security that’s sold to a German bank before the scheme unravels and you lose your house, the globe looks smaller.
With some 30 percent of the revenue of U.S. corporations coming from overseas, and the Chinese buying American debt, and more than seven million people naturalized in the past decade, it’s harder to separate America’s fate from that of others. Isolationism is not merely wrong, it’s impossible.
If elected, Obama would be the first genuinely 21st-century leader."
My very point in this thread, several times over.
OBAMA! Won't be long now.
Mark
Maybe a black man/woman in another time but not now
McCain/Palin 08
Obama's black? Goodness gracious me. That won't do at all, Anonymous, will it? I really must get a television rather than listening to the wireless.
It sounds as though the end of segregation in America came a little too early for you. That is a shame. I can only think that you must lead a very sheltered life, my friend.
Mark
The naivete exhibited by Mark and all of the other Obama worshipers is quite an amazing sociological phenomena. Do tell, Mark, how is Obama a "unifier"? Anyone who opposes him is silenced or investigated. The only thing Obama can "unify" is the left-wing of the Congress. Together, the terrible trifecta will drive this country into a depression. He and Biden want to cut defense spending by 25%. So what happens when our troops aren't being funded enough to be effective? Good men and women aren't going to want to risk their lives without the proper equipment. What then? Bring back the draft?
Again, you see things backwards, Mark. When America catches a cold, the rest of the world gets pneumonia, not the other way around. The world is dependent on a healthy and prosperous America, one that engages in free trade, not controlling isolationism. Open your eyes, for God's sake, look at the BIG picture!
Btw, you are misattribtuing your comments about The World is Flat, to me. That book happens to be the "bible" of starry eyed globalists like yourself. Look it up, if you haven't read it. I found it a terrible bore.
How about Biden trying to sound like John Lennon today? "Imagine a country....."LOL! News flash Joe, you ain't no John Lennon!
for Obama:
http://davidjgregory.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/some-of-mccains-relatives-support-obama/
for Obama:
http://davidjgregory.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/some-of-mccains-relatives-support-obama/
'Twas the night before elections
And all through the town
Tempers were flaring
Emotions all up and down!
I, in my bathrobe
With a cat in my lap
Had cut off the TV
Tired of political crap.
When all of a sudden
There arose such a noise
I peered out of my window
Saw Obama and his boys
They had come for my wallet
They wanted my pay
To give to the others
Who had not worked a day!
He snatched up my money
And quick as a wink
Jumped back on his bandwagon
As I gagged from the stink
He rallied his henchmen
Who were pulling his cart
I could tell they were out
To tear my country apart!
' On Fannie, on Freddie,
On Biden and Ayers!
On Acorn, On Pelosi'
He screamed at the pairs!
They took off for his cause
And as he flew out of sight
I heard him laugh at the nation
Who wouldn't stand up and fight!
So I leave you to think
On this one final note-
IF YOU DONT WANT SOCIALISM
GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!
>>>>>>Do tell, Mark, how is Obama a "unifier"? Anyone who opposes him is silenced or investigated.>>>>>
Such as?
>>>>He and Biden want to cut defense spending by 25%.>>>>
I think a read of Barack Obama's own web site might help you cut through the spin, Lisa. I can give you the address if you've never been there.
>>>So what happens when our troops aren't being funded enough to be effective? Good men and women aren't going to want to risk their lives without the proper equipment. What then? Bring back the draft?>>>>
All the above is far more likely - and on the subject of equipment, is already the case under Bush, for Pete's sake - under a McCain/Palin administration. We are already stretched to the limit as you must surely know. Again, just take the time to learn about Obama's take on these issues.
>>>Again, you see things backwards, Mark. When America catches a cold, the rest of the world gets pneumonia, not the other way around. The world is dependent on a healthy and prosperous America, one that engages in free trade, not controlling isolationism. Open your eyes, for God's sake, look at the BIG picture! >>>>>>
You're so far behind the times, Lisa. Have a read of Richard Haass's Memorandum to the President-Elect in this week's Newsweek (yes, I know, not your favorite rag) for a neat summary of where the USA stands today. I'm sorry, but the world is not "dependent" on America. Are we important to the world, and is it important to us? Certainly.. But it seems sometimes that the only candidate who has any grasp of that intellectually is Obama. McCain - and spare us, Palin - have shown little profundity in rousing their fan base. But then they don't have much to say, do they? Hence all the carefully timed mud slinging of the last few days, eagerly lapped up by those who want to find any way at all to win. Never mind the truth, eh?
Why you think Obama is against free trade is beyond me. Controlling isolationism? Give us a break!
OBAMA!
Mark
P.S. Don't miss McPain trying to be funny tonight on SNL. I hope that for his sake, he is. I have a lot of time for him as a politician, but it's sad that the Presidential race has reduced him to such a campaign-controlled caricature of his former self.
http://www.jossip.com/wp/docs/2008/10/osama1.jpeg
Love your "night before" parody, Anon! Misguided effort, of course, but excellent nonetheless! You deserve at least two Republican votes for that!
If only we could find any for you...
Mark
U.S. MARSHALS 15 MOST WANTED LIST
http://www.morphthing.com/showimage/2/98ab8c47274cb4942abed45dbcc934e0/0/3530165/Obama-Bin-Laden.jpeg
http://framingconflict.blogspot.com/2007/02/obama-bin-laden-is-2008-presidential.html
McCain worshipers are quite the amazing sociological phenomena. Do tell, Lisa, how is McCain or Palin a "unifier"? Anyone who opposes him is silenced or investigated. Anyone opposing her is sexist. McCain can't even "unify" his own ticket let alone the GOP! Together, this terrible duo will continue Bushes fine efforts of driving this country into a depression. He wants to continue the war. What happens to our troops wives, husbands and childrens back home who are surely being affected by this econmical climate? What of the troops health care when they return? Good men and women aren't going to want to risk their lives for an endless war. What then? Bring back the draft?
Again, you see things backwards, Lisa. When America catches a cold, the rest of the world gets pneumonia, not the other way around. The world is dependent on a healthy and prosperous America, one that engages in free trade, not controlling isolationism. Open your eyes, for God's sake, look at the BIG picture!
OBAMA BIDEN '08
No time to catch up on this thread but I did some calls tonight to Colorado with Obama's great online widget. I had 25 on my list of those I got on the phone, 1 didn't want to say and 16 ALL READY EARLY VOTED OBAMA. Yipee! (I was surprised that no one hung up on me!) Sunday calls to Missouri!
News Coverage on the historic pro-troop push:
NBC Affiliate (KCRA-3) live report
CBS Affiliate (KOVR-13) live report
ABC Affiliate (KXTV-10) news story
KTVU-2 (Oakland/San Francisco) live report
Contra Costa Times story
Sacramento Union story
CNS News story
Newsmax story
WorldNetDaily Story
East ender,
FYI,
The majority of the Colorado Springs Police Department are all supporting McCain/Palin.
http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&vid=3acaf75c-976a-4170-a647-8b2de8150215
I called everyone in Louisiana and they said that they were supporting McCain/Palin...I can't believe they didn't hang up on me!
Anon -
Clearly, as an Obama supporter, you are incapable of producing an original sentence on your own without co-opting and corrupting mine. How sad.
Let me tell you folks, I'm saying Novenas every night, praying for the sake of this country that McCain/Palin win this election, and I'm not even Catholic!
Mark -
Such as?
Such as the investigation into Joe the Plumber, such as:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=305248120539041
>>>>>>>Earlier, the Obama camp bombarded Sinclair Communications with 93,000 e-mails attacking its broadcast of an ad by the independent group American Issues Project, linking Obama with Ayers in more than a casual way.>>>>>>>>>>
Such as:
Obama's attempt to ban the NRA ad:
http://www.newsmax.com/politics/Obama_Wants_NRA_Ads_Ban/2008/09/27/135118.html
Such as:
Obama's no room on de plane for The Washington Times, NY Post and Dallas Morning News, ohhh, but there's room for Essence and Ebony monthly mags. Gimme a break!
You don't value the First Amendment, Mark? Well I do and I see a very disturbing pattern emerging with Obama when it comes to the media and sharing of information, not wealth.
I am an a Electorate for the democratic vote and I am Voting for McCain/Palin
Stop the madness:
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/X/G/2/sarah-pain-monopoly.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/M/G/2/mccain-palin-sm.jpg
Patriot -
Now that you've demonstrated to the blog that you are both an ageist and a sexist, it is clear that the only way to stop the madness is to.........
STOP OBAMA!
You go Electoral!
I'm going to start calling you "Spinning Jenny", I think, Lisa, rather than your preferred pseudonym of "Witch of Bayville"!
Anyone reading your various links from Wingnut World will soon see that any objections raised by the Obama campaign or any Obama support groups (you classify everything under 'Obama camp' to mislead) are in criticism of outright lies or misrepresentations of fact.
As for "de" plane (the McLoughlin colors shine through once more, it seems), you will know that the McCain campaign has chosen not to carry two prominent critics, New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd and Time columnist Joe Klein, on McCain's own plane. In the case of the papers you mention, the Obama campaign has made other arrangements for them and has not "silenced" them; but why the heck should they give priority to outright critics? Let them buy their own tickets, I say, there's an election to win! Fox News is still aboard, anyway, so you'll be happy about that.
But of course all this info is in the links you post. You must think that no one will ever bother to read them.
OBAMA/BIDEN '08!
Mark
Mark -
There's a huge difference between kicking off OPINION columnists vs. the stringer news reporters from major papers. Or can't you see the difference?
And I proudly wear my No Spin American flag pin, courtesy of Mr. O'Reilly.
>>>>>>>>but why the heck should they give priority to outright critics?>>>>>>
Like Maureen Dowd, right?
Let me clarify, just because the OP-ED section of a newspaper has endorsed McCain, it shouldn't taint the stories being reported in its news section.
Unfortunately, we have seen that left-wing rags like the NYT, WAPO and Newsweek are unable to separate opinions from facts.
Ageist, sexist? While were at it Lisa, let me remind you of one more "ist" word you are very familiar with....racist.
The only "ist" word I'm guilty of is Dumbist:
"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008
Keep supporting morons..and you'll reap what you sow!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW2iZ1pD2G4
Patriot,
You are correct, the "dumbist" are those voting for Obama.
Anonymous - (Penny?)
LMAO! Badda bing!
OBAMA SEEKS TO BANKRUPT COAL INDUSTRY!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ
Spinning Jenny strikes again.
What Obama actually intends for energy and the environment:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/newenergy
But then, I'm sure Lisa's "NakedEmperorNews" knows better.
Mark
No more bickering for me. Instead, I've simply decided to just keep posting quotes from the beauty queen for the next 2 days. Here goes:
"Well, let's see. There's -- of course -- in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008
Oh...the horror!!
Yeah, that's great Mark,
Develop and DEPLOY clean coal energy. Deploy it where? Well, that would be CHINA according to Joe (clear the room) Biden.
Nuclear? No mention
Drill now? He'll "consider" it.
MCCAIN/PALIN '08!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great idea, Patriot. I'm going to steal one from you - only one, there are plenty more left for you - just to point out to yet undecided voters that a vote for Obama will only give us two wars to sort out rather than three. Palin yesterday:
"We realize that more and more Americans are starting to see the light there and understand the contrast. And we talk a lot about, OK, we’re confident that we’re going to win on Tuesday, so from there, the first 100 days, how are we going to kick in the plan that will get this economy back on the right track and really shore up the strategies that we need over in Iraq and Iran to win these wars?"
-Sarah Palin, suggesting we are at war with Iran, FOX News interview, Nov. 1, 2008
Dontcha just love her?
Mark
The latest IBD/TIPP poll has been released today - and it has John McCain statistically tied with Barack Obam! And Neal Cavuto has just reported that the PEW poll has McCain ahead by 1% among likely voters!
This comes on the heels of yesterday's Zogby one-day tracking poll which had McCain ahead of Obama by 1%.
This race is extraordinarily close, with a large number of undecided voters that will likely break for McCain.
The latest IBD/TIPP poll has been released today - and it has John McCain statistically tied with Barack Obam! And Neal Cavuto has just reported that the PEW poll has McCain ahead by 1% among likely voters!
This comes on the heels of yesterday's Zogby one-day tracking poll which had McCain ahead of Obama by 1%.
Day 21: IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll
The race tightened again Sunday as independents who'd been leaning to Obama shifted to McCain to leave that key group a toss-up. McCain also pulled even in the Midwest, moved back into the lead with men, padded his gains among Protestants and Catholics, and is favored for the first time by high school graduates.
Lordy bigordy:
"As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co," July 31, 2008
Sarah, are you smarter than a THIRD grader?:
"[T]hey're in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom." --Sarah Palin, getting the vice president's constitutional role wrong after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does, interview with NBC affiliate KUSA in Colorado, Oct. 21, 2008 (Watch video clip)
Anon
Even you must know by now that the conservative Investor's Business Daily's polls are not anywhere near reflective of the average of polls across the nation.
At present, Obama retains a 6.4% lead overall:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html
You'll note that your IDB poll, quoted there, is the lowest of the lot.
Mark
Patriot,
Golly you dumber than a rock!
Gosh darn you are!
Your friend,
Sarah
Mark,
Get your head out of the garbage bag. Don't forget to take your head piece when you come up!
November 2, 2008
Day 21: IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll
The race tightened again Sunday as independents who'd been leaning to Obama shifted to McCain to leave that key group a toss-up. McCain also pulled even in the Midwest, moved back into the lead with men, padded his gains among Protestants and Catholics, and is favored for the first time by high school graduates.
More on how wealth is currently re-distributed in this country. Read the whole article only if you have a strong stomach.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/TaxpayersGiveFatCats20Billion.aspx?page=1
Barry
Hey Lisa - I'm still waiting for Phil Berg's recording that allegedly has Obama's Kenyan grandmother stating that he was born in Kenya. Where is it? Could it be that Phil Berg doesn't have such a recording? Without one - his argument is without merit.
AFC -
This Writ of Certiorari was filed on 10/30/08:
http://comments.blogware.com/U_20S_20Supreme_20Court_20Writ_20of_20Certiorari10_30_08.pdf
From what I can see, it hasn't been responded to by the Court as of yet. Of course, since you are the "fact checker", I'll be happy to look at any evidence you can produce that a decision has been rendered by the Judge.
Phil Berg stted he has a recording he will release -
http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/phil-berg-to-release-tape-detailing-grandmother-stating-obama-was-born-in-kenya/
that is what I want, not some paperwork requesting leave to appeal that you are quoting. Where is the tape? Can you answer that question Lisa?
AFC -
The court has to grant hearing/viewing evidence, first, no? Releasing such damning evidence to the press prior to court approval would certainly damage Berg's case.
So you are OK with Berg holding out on the tape, even though he SAID he was going to release it - until after the election?
Evidence is out in public all the time while hearings and trial are in progress - didn't we all hear the Alec Baldwin tape of his convo with his daughter?
If you think Berg actually has a tape that he is holding (and remember this is the same guy who filed the Rodrighez v. Bush case after 9-11 on a conspriacy theory and that case went no where), I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to sell to you . . .
AFC -
Does the prosecution release forensic evidence in a murder case prior to the trial? No. Your argument is ridiculous. Take it up with the judge, not me.
"I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'" --Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor's office without approval of the city council
Someone leaked the fact that Obama's aunt was here illegally - and that was information that should not have been leaked - so when a party believes that info will hurt the other side - it gets leaked. Surely someone at Fox Mews or another right wing outlet would be chomping at the bit to get someone to spill the beans if such a tape existed. Is there a gag order on Phil Berg directing him not to release his tape? Why isn't Fox News down in Kenya getting the grandma or others to say the same thing again? The fact that the tape was not leaked and was not disclosed by Phil Berg as HE promised means that it does not exist. But OK Lisa - you stand by and wait for it to come out after the election . . .
AFC, I think even Fox News knows that Philip Berg has little credibility and is probably one prawn short of a barbie.
All the anti-Obama posts in this thread about ACORN are well trumped by the desperate Republican tactics at this stage in the game, are they not? Here are a few, as reported by AP yesterday:
"Complaints have surfaced in predominantly African-American neighborhoods of Philadelphia where fliers have circulated, warning voters they could be arrested at the polls if they had unpaid parking tickets or if they had criminal convictions.
Over the weekend in Virginia, bogus fliers with an authentic-looking commonwealth seal said fears of high voter turnout had prompted election officials to hold two elections — one on Tuesday for Republicans and another on Wednesday for Democrats.
In New Mexico, two Hispanic women filed a lawsuit last week claiming they were harassed by a private investigator working for a Republican lawyer who came to their homes and threatened to call immigration authorities, even though they are U.S. citizens.
"He was questioning her status, saying that he needed to see her papers and documents to show that she was a U.S. citizen and was a legitimate voter," said Guadalupe Bojorquez, speaking on behalf of her mother, Dora Escobedo, a 67-year-old Albuquerque resident who speaks only Spanish. "He totally, totally scared the heck out of her."
In Pennsylvania, e-mails appeared linking Democrat Barack Obama to the Holocaust. "Jewish Americans cannot afford to make the wrong decision on Tuesday, Nov. 4," said the electronic message, paid for by an entity calling itself the Republican Federal Committee. "Many of our ancestors ignored the warning signs in the 1930s and 1940s and made a tragic mistake."
Add to that the McCain campaign's own robo-calls and it really paints a pretty picture, doesn't it? At least those calling voters on behalf of Obama are actual people...
Mark
AFC -
>>>>>>>>>Someone leaked the fact that Obama's aunt was here illegally>>>>>>>
No, someone DISCOVERED the fact and made it public. Does Berg have a lawsuit filed against Obama's aunt? No! Stop mixing apples and oranges! If evidence in a lawsuit is made public prior to the trial it TAINTS THE EVIDENCE! There is a HUGE difference between evidence being used to decide a criminal case and public information being made known. Just because Alec Baldwin's ex-wife is an idiot who released that horrible message prior to her custody trial doesn't mean that is the proper route to take.
Would I like to hear that tape today?
You betcha.
Would anyone consider Berg's tape the least bit credible without forensic affirmation from a judge and jury?
Of course not.
What happens IF Obama gets elected and sometime between now and Jan. 20th, this judge deems the tape credible?
What happens IF the judge rules that Obama is not a U.S. born citizen?
Does McCain win by default?
Does a new election have to be held?
God forbid.
>>>No, someone DISCOVERED the fact and made it public.>>>>
Leaked. This was private information. In any case, it's totally irrelevant to the political case for Barack Obama. Have the Democrats made a fuss about the McCain relatives that John McCain would rather not acknowledge, but his brother does? The black ones, that is? No, because the smear campaign is largely one-sided. Par for the course, it seems.
Knowing, however, that Lisa must be getting pretty miserable by now, I am pleased to be able to share this picture of Obama's Kenyan relatives on the first leg on their journey to the United States where they will live next door to Lisa. They have promised to swap their vehicle for a GMC car on arrival and to support McDonalds:
http://www.baybytes.com/ridetothepolls.jpg
Mark
Mark -
Ah, but you're wrong. Eric the Plumber is my neighbor.
Berg suit dismissed as "frivolous and not worthy of discussion".
Guess that judge's life was threatened.
Berg should release the tape NOW!
Mark,
You want them here, why don't you invite them to set up camp in YOUR backyard? Hmmmm? Hypocrite!
I won't hold my breath for Berg (and Lisa) to admit the whole thing was a sham and there was never any tape of Obama's grandmother from Kenya stating that Obama was born there.
Very sad that Berg would stoop so low.
Obama = Big Mistaka
Please don't be nearsighted with the current state of the economy, I know its hard I'm feeling it too. Dont make a knee jerk decision thinking this guy is going to solve it all. He is a charismatic speaker; many will go towards him like a moth unto a light. Just remember, we'll all get burned by Obama just like the light unto the moth.
Please keep this in mind tomorrow as you cast your vote:
Then
Jerimiah Wright - For 20 years, Obama sat in the pews of Trinity United Church of Christ - a radical church that adopted a theology called Black Liberation Theology. Obama called the pastor of Trinity, Jeremiah Wright, his spiritual mentor. This was the man who presided over Obama's wedding, baptized his two daughters and was the inspiration for Obama's second book "The Audacity of Hope."
William C Ayers - In the 70s, Ayers was the leader of an Anti-War terrorist group that bombed the Pentagon and the Capitol building to show their dislike for the War in Vietnam. Obama's relationship with this former terrorist goes way beyond a simple fund raiser; it goes much deeper than that. Let's take a trip back to the early 90s when Obama kicked off his political career with a fund raiser in the living room of William Ayers. Sen. Obama also sat on two boards with Ayers, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and the Woods Fund. Both groups gave money to far left educational groups and pushed radical ideas onto schools in the Chicago area.
Now
Regarding Jerimiah Wright-"This isn't the man I knew for 20 years." Well either Senator Obama was asleep a lot in church or he showed poor judgment by being a member of Trinity.
William C Ayers - When the relationship with Ayers started to become a political liability to Obama, he disclaimed friendship with Ayers, saying, "He is just a guy who lives in my neighborhood."
I was always taught that you are judged by the company you keep. I urge you to research these associations before tomorrow. Can we trust a president who chooses to call these people his friends?
McCain/Palin 08 - The safe choice
>>>You want them here, why don't you invite them to set up camp in YOUR backyard? Hmmmm? Hypocrite!>>>
I beg your pardon? Why the hypocrite comment? You're the one who puts the brick wall between Bayville and Roosevelt, surely? See previous posts.
Anyway, there's no room. George W. has asked us all to save some camping space for all the those US supporters claiming asylum from Iraq, altough how well they'll get on with all the Vietnamese boat people who are still in my swimming pool, I have no idea.
No, that Kenyan truck will break down before it gets ten miles from Nairobi, most likely. I think you're safe there. But you will have to look at soon-to-be-President Obama on television for the foreseeable future: so I'm guessing that "CHANGE!" in your case will be a daily scrabble for the remote!
Mark
Hi Jeff:
you wrote:
"you are judged by the company you keep"
What is your impression of John McCain's past assocation with Charles Keating? Do you have a problem with that?
Can we trust Sen. McCain not to appoint Phil Gramm as Secretary of Treasury?
I also urge everyone to research McCain's past associations and then make your decision.
From the Seattle Times:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2008157607_mckeating04.html
In 1991, McCain, along with his four Democratic colleagues, was found guilty by the Senate Ethics Committee of using "poor judgment" for attending the meetings with regulators on Keating's behalf
So the Senate ethics committee found that McCain himself - not one of his associates - used poor judgment.
Dont think Phil Gramm would take it. He's a well paid executive of a Swiss Bank.
Although Phil Gramm and Keating have wronged, they are not even close in comparison to the radicals Ayers and Wright.
AFC-
At least McCain admits that he used poor judgement.
Hi Jeff - we have different opinions about the candidates - decision making capabilities; the way each handled his campaign and his associations.
Neither candidate was flawless. The pros and cons of each should be reviewed and a decision made.
We will just have to wait to see what the voters decide.
Whatever the outcome, I hope that all of those who became so engaged in the process stay engaged and seek change from the elected officials on all levels- federal, state and county.
The only CHANGE Obama will bring is bigger government, more governmental intrusion into your personal life, higher taxes and a depression instead of a recession. All you will have left in your pockets and savings accounts will be CHANGE.
USE YOUR BRAIN, VOTE McCAIN!
McCain economic adviser admits younger employees will not benefit from the McCain Tax Credit for health care:
From:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/28/obama_makes_hay_of_mccain_advi.html
Democrat Barack Obama seized on remarks made by Republican John McCain's top economic adviser today to call McCain's health care plan "radical" and "unaffordable."
On CNN, McCain adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin said workers who already receive health insurance from their employers would not take advantage of McCain's offer of a $5,000 tax credit to buy their own coverage.
"Why would they leave?" Holtz-Eakin asked. "What they are getting from their employer is way better than what they could get with the credit."
In a speech at James Madison University, Obama said Holtz-Eakin's remarks showed McCain's proposals would only make the health care coverage problem worse.
"We were offered a stunning bit of straight talk -- an October surprise -- from his top economic adviser, who actually said that the health insurance people currently get from their employer is -- and I quote -- 'way better' than the health care they would get if John McCain becomes president," Obama says in the speech. "Now this is the point I've been making since Senator McCain unveiled his plan.
"It took until the last seven days of this election for his campaign to finally admit the truth. But hey, better late than never."
Holtz-Eakin sent reporters a memo later in the day accusing the Obama camp of "half-truths, distortions and outright lies about health care reform."
He said Obama was distorting his words.
"The question I answered was: 'Will the young and healthy leave their generous employer-sponsored coverage as the Obama campaign claims?' My response was that, obviously, if they had better coverage, they would not change," Holtz-Eakin wrote. "The Obama campaign deliberately took the quote out of context. This continues their disgraceful campaign."
Well, it's decision time, folks, for those who have been sitting on the fence thus far. Horrific, ain't it? Nearly a billion dollars in joint campaign spending, and two years to get this far. Only in America.
The knives have been out in this forum as they have on the campaign trail. That said, I'm impressed with the energy and enthusiasm that has gone into this thread alone. Although I have not wavered from my personal choice of candidate - indeed, it has been reinforced - I have learned a lot, and thank those who have gone to the effort of being constructive and interesting to read. Yes, that includes you, Lisa!
I understand that there are fundamental issues that make the choice clear to many, and hope that most of us have respected those choices.
I am sure that whichever man wins tomorrow will face many difficult new challenges on the home front, and that either will be obliged (and wise) to take a more centrist position, going forward. We all know that not every election promise will be achieved; but of the two agendas, Obama's is the one that has been clearly set out from the start and has wavered little. I don not agree with all his ideas (I am a conservative at heart) but the majority make sense. I believe that he will surprise "the right" with a genuine bipartisan approach that currently McCain claims is exclusively his own.
McCain is a good man, but is simply not right for the presidency at this time. We face a frightening and complex world, but not one that we should be waving a fist at. Although somewhat unfairly burdened with the dismal legacy of Bush/Cheney, he has also made a poor choice of running mate in Sarah Palin. He has lost much support within his own party and electorate for that reason alone. There is no way that she is ready to assume his position, were that ever to become necessary.
Obama is empirically unproven on the world stage, but has given every indication over the past two years of this campaign that he can be the force that America needs to rebuild its former international position and to craft the trade and military coalitions necessary for the future. Biden, if sometimes erratic in his presentation, is solid and experienced.
Despite earlier protestations in this forum, the United States cannot stand alone in the world. The choice of Obama as president, if he is elected tomorrow, will serve to demonstrate to our global partners, friends, and enemies, that this country has made real strides in acknowledging, and accepting, its immigrant foundations. The American people are reflective of many of the world's races, and have a real chance again to forge a positive future.
OK, that's me done for now. I'm off to watch SNL just one more time
Mark
Fox News Channel is reporting that among those who have already voted Barack Obama has only a 1% lead. This could reveal that many voters who are not voting for Obama have not previously admitted such to voters, out of the political correctness that has been injected into this race -- if you don't vote for Obama the media says you are a bad person or a racist.
I stopped reading after "Fox News Channel is reporting.."
"They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008
I stopped reading after I saw "Patriot wrote"
Mark -
You're no "conservative at heart". Please, don't insult true conservatives.
If your definition of true conservative includes "living in a time warp", then you'd be right, Lisa (pun intended).
Otherwise, you purport to know me, but do not.
All fodder for another thread one day, perhaps!
Mark
I would like to thank the person (edited) who crept onto my property (the sign was nowhere near the street) to take my Obama for President sign. It just reassures why I'm voting for him. The Republicans play dirty on every level, including that in our own little village. Remember, what goes around comes around......
Obama/Biden 08
Sorta reminds me of a story out of PA where my friend had her McCain/Palin sign stolen off her front lawn 3x until she decided to booby trap it by tying fishing line from the sign to her porch and rigging it with a bunch of tin cans.
If Americans are stupid enough to elect a scrawny armed do-nothing, $1M a day earmarking, left-left-wing, friend of radical America haters, bankrupt the coal industry, Robin Hood, to the Presidency............ God help us all.
McCAIN/PALIN '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Glad to see you are in fine form this morning Lisa. Spewing your vile as only you can.
Too bad the Bayville poll didn't have the "I Voted" stickers.
CR -
Vile, nah. Truth hurts, eh? Don't feel bad, my mother voted for Obama. I've written her out of my will.
Did anyone catch McCain's interview w/ Chris Berman on Monday Night Football last night? He actually looked like a pretty cool guy. He was talking football with Berman and he looked very calm, cool and collected. I asked myself "Where was THIS John McCain for the last 2 years?"
Then reality set in and I realized him and his camp had picked a s@#% for brains for a VP. I absolutely loathe her. Not for being a woman, but for being an incoherent, babbling moron. As someone who is neither republican nor democrat, I felt compelled to vote for Obama simply because I refuse to vote for a person from a state that really does not know what is happening on the mainland.
I just pray Obama gets the job done and I also pray he can duck fast when he hears those shots being fired at him....
Congratulations to Obama... Hopefully he will fulfill his promises and bring this Country to where it needs to be during these tough times. I can only hope that he will maintain our security(yes, George W.B. has kept us safe) and properly represent the USA in the world arena.
Thank goodness, I love the 106 year old that voted for Obama!
THE END OF AMERICA AND DEMOCRACY
PRAY FOR OUR COUNTRY
PATRIOT,
FINALLY YOU MAKE SENSE
The end of America and democracy? Please, Anonymous. You are as ungracious as the crowd at John McCain's address last night, and I am only glad that you are not typical of the many Republicans I call my friends. Any prayers should be for you, not your country.
If, like a certain other poster here, you think that the majority of the American public are "stupid" to have voted for Obama, so be it. But this country will be in a sorry state if you and those like you cannot accept that the American people have spoken, and respect that fact.
If you are unhappy with and surprised at the result, then perhaps you might begin to understand at last the damage that the current administration has done to this country and why its people are so keen for change.
I wish President-elect Obama a term that is free from bias and hatred. His election brings a new sense of freedom and achievement to many, and he will have their support; but he faces a tough road ahead.
Mark
Make sure you have your gun ready, there will be a revolution within the next two years. The people of America will revolt against the government when Obama can not come through on all his promises. Not every person will get an education, not ever person will have there taxes lowered, not every person will prosper. And if so, it will come from every residents pocket in Bayville , the working class "you", the middle income people, not the super rich and not the poor. All this programs and initiatives come with a cost, the super rich will find ways of hiding money, so the government will go after the middle class "you". Mark, you appear and sound like a pretty smart guy, probably more book smart then street smart. You need to ask yourself this, are your morals in line with Obama, have you ever questioned Obama association with certain people, has he been caught double talking. Obama did not win, the Residents of the greatest Country in the world lost on November 4, 2008. I very scared you he selects to his cabinet, Hopefully, he selects Powell for one of his cabinet seats. God Bless Us, we are in for a tough 4 years.
thank goodness...
Pedro -
Went shopping for a nice new 12 gauge shot gun today, am having trouble deciding whether to go for the pump action or not, but darn I like the sound of that ka-click. The time to buy is now, before prices go through the roof and Obama outlaws guns altogether.
And you're right on the money, pun intended, when you refer to the wealthy planning on hiding their money away. This morning I spoke with 3 different wealthy individuals in 3 different states who all said, 'CHECKBOOK CLOSED'. You want donations to your charities? Go ask Obama.
You see, Republicans are people too, something the Democrats fail to acknowledge. Insult and punish the most generous and giving people on this planet, and you're going to suffer the backlash. The fools who voted for Obama and now want everyone to sing Kum-baya and act in unity forgot one thing, unity doesn't mean forcing the 47% of the American public who disagree with your ideology to agree, or else.
Oh, you can't make this stuff up - take a look at who Obama has tapped to be his Chief of Staff:
http://www.cq.com/floorvideo/play.do?id=4267cb901c0167eee3e0c88f2007cfc7ceb6c0c7f65ad7f4d2fecbd74054fa170e2c95b897735124c15ea7ea1cad6012558234bc4afd90b53919aaebe20a2405a1ee460a358c0f15
Looks like somebody already took out ol' Emanuel's middle finger! Guess he'll just have to use Obama to express his feelings towards 47% of America!
Some of the first public spending that should be cut today is the approximate $44,000 per day(since May)in Secret Service detail costs to the taxpayers for Obama. As of today that is around 8,000,000. These costs do not come out of the DNC. McCain never requested protection from the Secret Service during the campaign, only Obama.
Obama will and should recieve it once he gets in the big house. He Obama, spread your wealth!
Hussein Obama is NOT my President nor is he my families president.
My children will not acknowledge him as President of the United States.
Anonymous sorry to break the news to you but he is. You can whine and cry like a p^ssy sH*t loser, but that ain't gonna change the fact that Obama is YOUR President and Your Family's President.
AMERICA THE GREATEST COUNTRY
WHERE A BLACK, ANTI WHITE, NON AMERICAN CAN EVEN BECOME PRESIDENT
WHAT A GREAT COUNTRY THIS IS
Mark,
I see you still have your head up your #ss.
How am I supposed to respond to this idiocy?
Note to self: ignore it, particularly when it comes from those who aren't even brave enough to sign their name.
What is concerning is that we have ANON WHO SHOUTS ALL THE TIME praising Patriot for his last sentence about shots being fired (he CAN'T be agreeing with Patriot's views on Palin, surely?), Lisa (who stood for the LV School Board) licking her fingers at the concept of a pump-action shotgun coming into her possession, and Anon (possibly a different anonymous wimp, who knows?) suggesting that the President-elect of the United States of America has no right to Secret Service protection during the period before his inauguration.
Who ARE you people? Truly frightening, it would seem.
Oh, and Anonymous-of-the-deep-and-meaningful-observation-last-posted; thanks. There's nothing like intelligent debate, is there?
I'm out of here, folks. Shame on you. You appear to have no clue what democracy means. Obama was elected, people.
Mark
Mark -
Yep. Obama was elected. And on Jan. 20th, he will swear (on a Bible?) to uphold our U.S. Constitution. This is the same man who cited our Constitution as being "fundamentally flawed".
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=79225
Maybe he misspoke. Maybe he has seen the light and changed his core ideology. You are right, since he was elected we as Americans should at least give the guy a chance. But the SECOND he tries to dismantle the U.S. Constitution, this country better initiate impeachment action.
Lisa you must have a rather ample sized arse since it doesn't seem you can ever get your over inflated head out of it.
I see that those novena's you said didn't work, don't feel so bad mine didn't either, it seems that you are still a resident of our fine town
p.s. to Mark -
A rifle doesn't just "come into my possession" like manna from heaven. I buy it. As is my Constitutional right under the 2nd Amendment.
I think I've decided against the pump action, too much recoil.
MARK,
AREN'T YOU GLAD I AM YOUR NEIGHBOR?
IMPEACH OBAMA
DO YOU HEAR ME?
>>>MARK,
AREN'T YOU GLAD I AM YOUR NEIGHBOR?>>>>
Oh, that's YOU next door with the crazed look in your one eye, the hook and the wooden leg? The house with the smell of decomposing flesh coming from the basement? Who barbecues feral cats and squirrels for dinner each evening? I know you, of course. Thank goodness for that; from reading your posts here, I thought you might be somebody really unpleasant.
Mind you, that won't stop me from spreading killer caterpillars among your geraniums and playing Aretha Frankin music really loud in the middle of the night. Wynton Marsalis or Grover Washington would be too kind for the likes of you.
Mark
MARK,
GOSH DARN
IMPEACH NOBAMA THE ANTI CHRIST, ANTI AMERICAN
CONCERNED RESIDENT,
OBAMA IS NOT MY PRESIDENT NOR IS HE ANON'S PRESIDENT
THE COUNTRY IS STARTING A CAMPAIGN TO IMPEACH HIM
WE DO NOT RESPECT HIM
MY FAMILY WILL NOT SHOW RESPECT FOR HIM AND 50% OF THIS COUNTRY WILL NOT RESPECT HIM
IT IS NOT WHINING OR CRYING WE ARE STANDING UP FOR OUR RIGHTS TO IMPEACH THIS MAN
YOU THINK YOU SAW HISTORY 11/04
HISTORY HAS ONLY JUST BEGUN
JAN 20 2009 WILL BE THE BEGINNING OF COMMUNISM IN THIS COUNTRY AND WE ARE GOING TO STOP IT OR AT LEAST LET OUR VOICES BE HEARD
Wow Anonymous all CAPS that will tell me.
You're such a little person, you show none of the graciousness in defeat that your candidate showed Tuesday night.
I guess it hurts when you realize the ideology that you have followed fails so miserably and the country votes against your position. Unfortunately for you that is Democracy and Obama is Your President.
Standing up for your rights to impeach him? Now WTF are you talking about? Talk about being way out there in crazy loony land I guess that your tinfoil hat is on this morning.
It must be real tough being on the wrong side of history and such a scared little person Anonymous.
Who watched South Park last night? Omg, that was so funny, all of the Obama supporters partying till they threw up and all of the McCain supporters trying to commit suicide. I don't know about the whole Hope Diamond plot, that was a bit out there, but I kept picturing Randy as Mark..... hehehehe.
So no comment on the new Chief of Staff?
Oh..... this is so special........Obama and Michelle are the new most popular baby names in Kenya!
Anonymous,
We have to accept the voting process that took place on 11/4 as legitimate. The people have spoken. The people are MORONS, but the people have spoken. Therefore we must graciously accept the win and wish Obama "luck". Once in office, it is our duty as Americans to watch events as they unfold and hold Obama accountable to his oath. IF he makes any decisions which violate his oath of office, then let impeachment proceedings begin. Of course, if that should happen, there would be race riots all over this country because, you know, we'd be going after him because he's black.
Did you know that Anonymous? Obama is black!
It's a shame I can't post the picture my daughter e-mailed me of students ripping the American flag to shreds in NYC after Obama's win. But I thought I'd share her thoughts on the matter with you:
>>>>>>>there were people jumping on cars, climbing lamp posts, breaking things. i don't know where it came from, but there was a three hundred foot american flag that people ripped to shreds and totally desecrated. people were screaming, hugging, crying. it was hysteria.
i was totally caught up in this whirlwind of nationalism and insanity. it didn't feel like i was in america. i started to understand how crazy dictators rise to power, and i immediately began to think about a hitler quote that i'd heard in highschool. 'he alone, who owns the youth, gains the future." i'm not saying that obama is going to wreck our nation, but the scary part is... that he could.
Wow Lisa you too wearing the tinfoil hat?
It's amazing that you see an outpouring of national pride and genuine joy and you see it as scary and then pull out a Hitler quote. Talk about going off the deep end.
It is amazing with the country staring down the barrel of its worst financial crisis since the Great Depression all established under the GOP's watch and you question whether Obama is going or could wreck the country.
In case you haven't noticed Lisa, I guess it's hard when you spend your time reading wingnut websites and watching Faux News, 90+% of the country already thinks we are on the wrong track.
Wreck our nation? That's already been done by a Republican you may know of. His name is George W. Bush.
Oh do send me the picture of the flag, Lisa, I'd be happy to post it for you. Since it would appear that neither you nor your daughter are aware of the fact, this massive flag was made by Obama supporters and everybody kept a piece of it after it was paraded through Union Square and to Brooklyn Bridge. In pride, not desecration. Even in defeat, you spin the truth.
It's a pity that your poor daughter was unable to discern the difference between insanity and celebration. She was able to be part of one of the most historic events of her time, and all she can think of is Hitler? Well, like mother, like daughter, I suppose. That's sad, though. I hope you asked her before you posted her private comments to you.
I've an idea: why don't you move to Alaska and help Sarah Palin on her geography (she thinks Africa is a country, as I remember George W. Bush did at one time). She needs some serious help if you're going to put her up for election in 2012!
Mark
So sad. Truly, so so sad. Talk about fascist nutjobs, you people are beyond the pale. Ripping an American flag to shreds as a "souvenir"?????? No Mark, true Americans WAVE THE FLAG PROUDLY, they don't rip it to shreds! And you have the audacity to accuse my daughter's perception of the rioting going on in NYC as SPIN???? Did anybody notice how the stock market tanked after Obama won for the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY!?! Or were you still too hungover from your Obama orgy the night before? Nice how the Obama family was dressed in Satan's colors.
Oh yeah, history was made on Nov. 4th allright. God help us all. The 3 major auto companies and their unions are already meeting with Pelosi today to ask for their $25B bailout to be doubled. Better line up fast Patriot, Mark and CR. Get those hands out.
Lisa Satan's colors you are truly the lowest form of pond scum.
CR -
Hehehe, so I guess that makes you the highest or ultimate form of pond scum? Truly evolved and futuristic pond scum? I wonder who gets served first on coming bread lines, the highest or the lowest scum?
Oh look, the market is tanking again today. Btw, CR, when did the Wall St. Journal become a right-wingnut paper? I must have missed that memo.
And since this is the Bayville Blog, according to Newsday today, Bayville voters chose McCain 60% to 40% for Obama. Not that it matters. But just so you know.
Wow Lisa you arrogance and ignorance knows no bounds.
So you see bread lines coming since Obama's election and didn't see any problems with the policies put in place by the GOP that led us to this situation? Talk about drinking the Kool Aid. It must be quite fun living in your bizarro fantasy world, where you have all the answers. What a shock it must have been to your over inflated ego to see that the country rejected the policies you hold so dear.
Poor poor Lisa just another in the long line of loud mouthed know it all jackasses, spewing your wingnut talking points even as the country is rejecting them.
As far as the Journal going wingnut it happened about the time that Rupert picked it up and added it to his portfolio.
CR -
Unlike your new Messiah, there are still 47% of us who don't consider the U.S. Constitution "fundamentally flawed". There are still 47% of us who believe the American flag should be treated with respect, not shredded as a souvenir. Does it help your self-esteem to call me a jackass wingnut? Why is it the leftists always feel the need to try and intimidate and silence their opposition? Why is it almost every post of yours makes me feel like saying, "I know you are, but what am I?" Could it be because the intellectual level of your banter never rises above a 3rd grade level?
My self esteem is fine Lisa, unlike you I don't believe I am all knowing. It is your self esteem that must be so delicate that you can never be wrong, what a shock it must have been when the ideology you hold so strong was rejected on Tuesday.
It is funny how you would see that it is the left that is trying to silence you, yet it is you who wanted those that supported President-elect Obama to move to Venezuela or Cuba.
It is quite funny to watch your mental gymnastics as you cut and paste one wingnut theory after the next.
Tell me, why is the huge flag on Rt. 106 in Hicksville flying upside down? Officially, flying the American flag upside down is a signal of distress. So does this represent a Long Island sentiment of distress at Obama's election? Or celebration of Obama's rise to Dictator and overthrowing of American values?
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/11/video-kenya-celebrates-obama-victory.html
CR -
>>>>>>>>>>>yet it is you who wanted those that supported President-elect Obama to move to Venezuela or Cuba.>>>>>>>>>
Only for your happiness and well-being, muh dear.
And let me just add, that was BAD intel I received from a friendly source on the upside down flag in Hicksville. I drove over there to see it firsthand and found no evidence of WMD's, I mean, an upside down flag.
I think Lisa must be unwell, CR. Her continuing vitriol is neither American nor Christian, both of which she purports to be. What is disappointing is that her radical views in this forum may give a false impression to others that she is typical of the Bayville 60% that voted Republican in this election. I've had emails from friends in England, Hong Kong and Australia this week - all of whom read this blog - commenting that she and others give the impression that Bayville is full of ranting racist rednecks. That is not the case, obviously, but is a sad impression to be conveying.
All I can say is that following her 'Satan' comments about Obama's children, I don't want to see her anywhere NEAR our schools here. What an example she sets, eh?
I've had enough of this thread (Lisa will be glad to hear) so must take my leave to join the majority of Americans (and the rest of the world) in supporting Barack Obama's forthcoming presidency. Lisa and ANON can continue to wallow in their traitorous thoughts and pat each other on the back.
Mark
Mark me thinks you are right about Lisa.
Running off to Hicksville to view the mythical upside down flag. Believing that people taking pieces of a flag as a memento of an historic event in any way is analogous of those that would desecrate the flag.
It is quite the sickness that believes that only their way is truly American. Blaming all that ails us on the evil leftwing media or Democrats or Liberals. Never bothering to see that it was the leaders of the ideology they follow that has us fighting 2 Wars and facing a financial crisis the likes we haven't seen in 70 years.
It is amazing that they cannot take the lead of the standard bearer of their party this past election. John McCain's speech was what you would like the tone of the posts from those that opposed Obama this past election to be here on the Bayville Blog.
Unfortunately we get Crazy Lisa and Loony Anonymous and their ranting and ravings about upside down flags and impeaching a President that hasn't even been sworn in.
Mark,
Fault not the children for the sins of their parents. Anyone with ANY taste could see what a horror Michelle Obama's dress was! I guess someone forgot to tell the First Family that Halloween was over!
How dare you call me a traitor. You're the one who supports shredding the American flag for souvenirs, not me. Keep drinking the Kool Aid, Mark. My conservative friends can't believe that Bayville is home to left-wing anarchists like yourself, either.
Left-wing anarchist? Ha! I think not. Centrist with common sense, more like. You, after all - along with your monosyllabic friend ANON - are the ones looking for any chance at all to undermine our democratically elected president-to-be. Now THAT is anarchy.
Mark
>>>>>>>>>>>It is quite the sickness that believes that only their way is truly American>>>>>>>>>>>
Very good, CR. Being able to admit your sickness is the first step towards recovery. Maybe you should bring Mark with you for rehabilitation since you view my ideology as "traitorous".
Now be fair, CR, I said that impeachment proceedings should begin only IF and AFTER President Obama takes steps to shred the Constitution. And it seems rather odd that you would mock me for verifying that information was false, rather than accepting hearsay as gospel. Was that video from Kenya also "mythical"?
Please answer me this Liber-Looneys, IF Obama had lost, do you honestly think there wouldn't have been huge race riots instead of tears of joy?
I do think it is wonderful that a black man has won the Presidency as representative of no limits to achievement for all black Americans. I didn't vote for Obama, not because he's black, but because his ideology is so far left of center he needs a British drivers license. We will see how his Presidency plays out. It's going to be an interesting ride. Tell ya what, I'll get behind Obama when you show GW Bush the same "respect" you are demanding of me.
>>>IF Obama had lost, do you honestly think there wouldn't have been huge race riots instead of tears of joy?>>>
No.
"Discussions of efforts to amend the Constitution typically focus on the desire to ban burning the American flag, but current and past proposals have included criminalizing “physical desecration” of the American flag."
What these individuals did to the American flag was criminal and should be prosecuted.
I also have to agree with one of the "Anon's"
Mr. Obama will never be my president
Penny when are you leaving? Must be quite the move you are planning Europe, Australia, Canada, South America?
Don't let the door hit you on the way out, last thing we need in these troubled times is fools that cannot see that we have only one President at a time and even if the candidate you voted for doesn't win we all still have a President of the United States.
It is amazing how foolish it is to talk about Impeachment if or bread lines or worst he is not my President or never will be.
We wonder why the Sunni and Shia don't get along in Iraq, I'll tell you why they think like you Penny no Sunni is going to be my President yada, yada, yada.
ConHceIrnTed ReLsiEdeRnt,
DUH *SSHOLE
So when you are leaving Penny?
Amazing how crazy you wingnuts are, Hitler wow that really is funny. How long did it take for you to think that one up?
Must be real hard for you to come to grips with the fact that Barack Obama will be YOUR President beginning on January 20th. Funny thing about a Democracy the people choose the President and whether we voted for the person that wins the election or not that person is our President.
I really enjoy this!!!
He is NOT my president, he may be your president but he is NOT mine
Now go wipe your #ss with today's Newsday
Another classless post ... would have been fine if you hadn't made the vulgar reference, but obviously your parents raised you well. ...
Think about this phrase ... "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought of as a fool, then it is to open it and erase all doubt!"
Mark
Since you think that you know it all, probably because your a dem, I have two question, what government agencies has the biggest budget, and who do you think BO should select for that agencies. BO needs to continue the 15% tax on cap. gains, or we are all doomed, why do you think the market lost 900 points in the last two days, investors are not going to invest if they are going to lose money through taxes. If I was rich (in obamanation), and I made $200,000/ year, but I made an additional $60,000 in investments, why would I keep investing, Mark I know your smarter then a 5 Grader. Simple Economics baby, the rich are going to hide their money, not spend, in order to make money you need to spend money. BO, slectec two Kennedys today as part of his cabinet, Carol is useless she is so under qualified, and Robert Jr. in charge of the Envir, that is a complete joke, Hopefully BO does not select Gover. Corzine as Fin. Chairman (take a look at New Jersey), you would think that as smart as he is, he would have a clue. He a loser, and soon one day we all will be losers. I can not wait until the day that all rep. can stand together and say "we told you so", Good night and God Bless us. We need it now more then ever.
Pedro do a little research of history the market performs better under a Democratic administration historically then under a Republican one since the Great Depression.
It is amazing how the market was able to perform so well in the 90's with a higher capital gain rate then we have today. I guess those rich guys weren't investing then?
Why don't you listen to the most successful investor in the past 50 years who happens to be a supporter of President-Elect Obama and one of his economic advisors. I think Warren Buffett knows a little bit of how the economy works.
The reason you would keep investing after you made 60K over 200K Pedro is to make more $$$'s, it's that simple. We are talking about raising the marginal rate to the levels it was in the 90's for every million you make over 250K that is an additional 45K in taxes over what you would pay today.
Concerned Resident,
Thank you for the morning laugh...as always expected from you
"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought of as a fool, then it is to open it and erase all doubt!"
You clearly are the fool.
I see our resident nurse manager is showing her utter lack of bedside manner again this morning.
1947...
You may recall that on July 8, 1947, a little over 60 years ago, witnesses claim that an unidentified flying object (UFO) with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep and cattle ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico . This is a well known incident that many say has long been covered up by the U.S. Air Force and other federal agencies and organizations.
However, what you may NOT know is that in the month of April 1948, nine months after that historic day, the following people were born:
Albert A. Gore, Jr.
Hillary Rodham
John F. Kerry
William J. Clinton
Howard Dean
Nancy Pelosi
Dianne Feinstein
Charles E. Schumer
Barbara Boxer
See what happens when aliens breed with sheep?
No wonder they support the bill to help illegal aliens!
Now You Know.
Friend fromovrsea -
ROTFLMAO! Very good! Reminds me of the scene from Men in Black identifying all of the aliens on earth, like Michael Jackson.
Michael Moore was born in April, 1954. Think those aliens paid a revisit?
Anyone who gives an iota of credibility to the Newsweek Best High School's List or ANYTHING written by Jay Mathews should read this quote from yesterday:
"I was also disappointed that Al Franken lost for the same reason. We journalists, all voyeurs, crave entertainment in our news."
- Jay Mathews, 11/06/08
Guess what Mr. Mathews? 47% of Americans don't believe that public education and our government are supposed to be "entertainment".
My neighbors have become totally unhinged. This pretzel philosophy by would be constitutional theorists would be comical, if it wasn't so alarming.
Do I advise you to love the neighbor? I suggest rather to escape from the neighbor and to love those who are the farthest away from you. Higher than the love for the neighbor is the love for the man who is distant and has still to come
Will to Power -
Huh?
That's it exactly! huh?
To The Not So Concenred Resident:
Please take your head out of our ass, it is simple, when I speak of my $60,000 investment being taxed at 20% in Obama rule, imagine it I had $600,000 at 20%, that is a lot of monet wasted. I have accepted the fact that we need to pay taxes, I work two jobs in order to provide for my family, I never ask the goverment for anything, I'm from a middle class family and the goverment never gave my family or me a blank check. Its time for those lazy ass people to step up to the plate and work. I hold money dear to me, it is obvious that dem, can care less about their money. Obama has brainwashed the residents to think that everyone is going to prosper. One last thing, you said that the US ecom. did best only when we had a DEM president, please remember Regan,
Pedro you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. I worked years in the financial industry and even owned a brokerage firm for awhile, believe me when I tell you that I know what cap gains are and how they are taxed and the implications they have on investments and the market.
Do yourself a favor and learn the subject before you start saying your 60K investment as if the investment and not the gain is what is taxed. If you think guys who stake 5 or 10MM short positions in the market are worried about the cap gains you're off your rocker. Do they like paying cap gains, of course not, but they pay a lot less % in cap gains tax then the highest marginal rate they pay.
That is why someone like Warren Buffett, who uses no tax shelters, pays less of a % of his salary in taxes then his secretary.
The most important measure of tax burden is how many pennies out of each dollar go to taxes. The top 400 taxpayers in 2000 had an average income of $174 million, yet they paid just 22 cents on the dollar in federal income taxes. That is what a single person making in the low six figures paid. Had the 2003 tax cuts been in effect, the top 400 would have paid just 17.5 cents on the dollar, not much more than the overall national average of 15.3 cents that Americans actually paid that year. . . .
When taxes are examined overall - including state and local income, sales and property taxes - America has something close to a flat tax. The top fifth of Americans pays just a penny more out of a dollar in taxes overall than the poorest fifth, 19 cents versus 18 cents.
Will to Power -
WHAT's it exactly? I'm guessing you were attempting to sound eloquent or deep, but you didn't quite pull it off. Try again.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/07/update-on-child-abusing-obama-teacher-superintendent-responds/
How many American children in this country were treated the way this poor girl was treated by this obamination of a teacher and others like her?
As previously stated, I am not posting any further personal views in this thread for two reasons: firstly, that the election is over and this was what this thread was all about; secondly and signficantly, because it has detiorated into spiteful, disrepectful and inciteful commentary from the rabid right, who clearly do not represent the majority of civilized Republicans with respect for the democracy of the country in which they live.
If I were Jeff, I would lock this thread at this point and let the wingnuts warble somewhere else. Freedom of speech is one thing, but the comments written above about an elected President-to-be who has not even taken office boil down to poorly disguised racism.
"Not my President"? Disgusting talk, and a blight on our community.
Mark
Mark -
So then you encourage President Obama to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine, do you?
Correction, make that President-Elect Obama, who in his very first press conference (which he was late for) thought he was being funny making fun of Nancy Reagan.
Mark,
"Not mt President"? Why is it "disgusting talk" from me...but you and the rest of your party could say President Bush was not your president?
60% of Bayville supported McCain
Barry O will NEVER be my president
Since you ask, Penny... I, and to my knowledge, no one else in this thread, has ever said that President Bush was not their president. Have I/they criticized him? Indeed, and for very obvious reasons; but he is our elected President, and will be until January 20.
Your stance is entirely different.
Mark
Not one single McCain supporter on this blog showed any type of grace or tact following the Obama win. I figured we would have at least one of you eat crow, and congratulate the president-elect on an impressive win. He won the popular vote while taking many of Bush's red states away. It wasn't even close and not ONE of you showed any class. Racism is still alive...even right here in good old Bayville. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Take this: http://www.webdelsol.com/The_Potomac/issue2/crybaby.jpg
Mark, Lisa, and Jeff,
We live in a great country and a beautiful community.
Good luck to all of you and congrats to the man that was elected as President of the United States.
I apologize for past posts of mine, they do not represent who I am.
Peace
Patriot -
That is absolutely not true. Jeff congratulated Obama on his win. Once again, the lying Left has to toss out allegations of racism and attempt to instigate a "class war". Get over it. You can't play the race card anymore, an African-American has been elected to the most prestigious job in the world. You, Mark and your buddy CR have repeatedly posted links attempting to elicit racist comments, but no one took your bait. You persist in screaming "Racist, racist!" It's tired, it's old, it's inaccurate, and YOU are the ones who should be ashamed of yourselves for attempting to prolong racial divisiveness.
The following Charlie Rose interview with the editors of Newsweek provides an excellent analysis of the Obama "aura" and strategy employed by the Obama campaign:
http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2008/11/5/2/a-conversation-with-jon-meacham-evan-thomas
Some of the more astute observations:
- Obama stood alone without his family for the victory speech (Biden locked away in the barn)
- "slightly creepy cult of personality"
- "Obama realized back in Harvard that it makes people feel good to help him"
- "Race is implicit instead of explicit"
- "the durability of the narrative"
- "watches us watching him"
I don't think even the most rabid lefties can call Newsweek a right wing rag. Now, if you want to call Dennis Miller a rightie, fine, but I find it very unsettling that members of the right and left use the term "creepy" to apply to Obama. Even Nixon wasn't referred to as "creepy" from the get go. That creepiness has nothing to do with race, but rather the calculating, self-crafted creature the majority of Americans felt compelled to help win the White House.
Just as you feel Bush deserves to be criticized for "obvious reasons", we as Americans have a right to our opinions of President-Elect Obama. You cannot silence us, you cannot force us to bow down and worship Obama the way you do. We will have to live under his rule for the next four years because he was duly elected. McCain was gracious in his concession speech because he is a gracious man, his opponent, and an American hero. Obama doesn't give a darn whether Penny and I are gracious towards his win, he won and that's all that matters to him. Time will tell if he is the Messiah you believe him to be. My gut tells me he is not.
Penny,
I know the kind of person you are, a terrific Mom, a hard worker, a community minded individual, patriotic, caring, kind, generous, funny, and a good friend. Just as with the 5 stages of dying, you have passed through Denial and Anger and are now entering Bargaining. Depression may last for 4 years, and Acceptance may be a long time coming, if ever. God bless you for being willing to share your deeply held convictions and God bless America.
I too know you to be respected member of the Bayville community, Penny, both for your work and through your volunteer activities for Oak Neck. That's why I was particularly bothered about the wording of your "NEVER" comment.
Your clarification is appreciated, however, and I praise you for having the courage to post under your real name in this blog.
Mark
Election Bottom Line:
W will go down in history as one of the worst presidents.
- worst financial crisis in 80 years happened on his watch and he will be blamed for it (rightly or wrongly)
-We're stuck in 2 wars that appear to have no end.
-A republican party in shambles that stands for nothing. (yes, Gay marriage is a stupid issue, we have real things to worry about.)
We have to wish Obama God speed. Our country depends on him.
But who is going to help Obama through his "crackberry" withdrawal?
I seem to recall Mark opining how America needs to change the way it is "perceived" in other countries and the way to do that is by electing Barack Obama. Let's see what al Queda is saying about our new President-Elect:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7737710.stm
"America, the criminal, trespassing crusader, continues to be the same as ever, so we must continue to harm it in order for it to come to its senses," he said.
Zawahiri also criticised Mr Obama - whose father is Muslim - for betraying the Islamic world.
"You were born to a Muslim father, but you chose to stand in the ranks of the enemies of the Muslims, and pray the prayer of the Jews, although you claim to be Christian, in order to climb the rungs of leadership in America," he said.
Mr Obama was not an "honourable black American" like Malcolm X, he said, but an "abeed al-beit" - a word that translates as house slave but was rendered "house negro" in the message's English subtitles. "
I don't care if Gary Coleman was our president-elect. What I do care about is that Sarah Palin will NEVER be a VP or a President in this country. For that, I am very proud. Does Palin even know who Zawahiri is?
Patriot -
Why don't you ask her? I don't know why anyone would be proud of being a boujoise sexist pig, but there you are!
Strangely enough, Lisa, I do not perceive Al Qaeda as being representative of the world beyond our shores.
It does amuse me that whichever way the dice falls, you find a way to put your own spin on it. In earlier posts, you were highly critical of the fact that leaders you choose to despise (Castro et al) were (in your eyes, by selective reference) warm to an Obama victory. Now that one of the world's most despised terrorists - in the Muslim world as well as in the West - puts forward the other foot, you think it worth noting.
Why, I wonder? Did you honestly expect such a man to suggest a round of golf?
I am very happy that Mr. Al Qaeda (Bin Laden is probably dead or useless) has no time for Obama. Because, contrary to your expectations, Obama will be no less firm internationally than any leader of this country should be. But he will not blunder, hopefully, in the same way that the outgoing administration has done all too famously.
Mark
P.S. Wow, this thread is alive again
Wonder if it was a spark from California
I should clarify my last... saying that "I am very happy that..." was not well put. What I mean to say is that I would not expect a man like Zawahiri to be admiring of ANY man or woman who became President of the United States, given Al Qaeda's ongoing animosity toward this country; but would rather he be negative toward Obama than pretend that he has something in common with him or wants to make friends.
Whereas I believe that Obama will make great strides internationally and work successfully with many foreign leaders on myriad issues, he has already made his intentions towards Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda very clear. It is to be hoped that Obama will do much better at forming coalitions worldwide than his predecessor.
Mark
Did you mean bourgeois? Haha! That's the 1st time anybody has tried to call me that. A little about myself: 1)I am anti-establishment through and through. I despise the rich and elites in this world to the point where this current economic crisis has me in a state of elation. Watching the real "bourgeois" in this country suffer gives me great joy. I hope Richard "Dick" Fuld rots in hell or at least in one of his 15 houses that you and I paid for. 2)Sexist? Ask my wife if I'm a sexist. I have a great relationship with my grandmother, mother, mother-in-law, and wife. I have great respect for the women in our history who have made a REAL difference, not this bull crap lottery win by an Alaskan moron. I took a class in college called "Sexism in the Humanities" in which I learned about people (mostly your age) who have a real hatred and disdain for women...just because they are women. By the way, I got an A+.
3) Pig? No. I captained 3 sports in high school and I am a very respected likable guy. As for you, I've seen your picture on this thread and you want a pig?...Go look in the mirror!
Dear Pinkoe 'Patriot' Pig,
An A+ eh? That's interesting, because even State universities don't award an A+ as a grade.
Your perverse hatred of those who make more money than you, or who own more real estate than you, seems to reflect an effort on your part to compensate for an endowment deficiency in your anatomy.
Fortunately, this blog was not "blessed" with a photo of said feature for all to have a giggle.
>>>>seems to reflect an effort on your part to compensate for an endowment deficiency in your anatomy.>>>>
15 all, Patriot to serve!
Mark
Mark -
No spin. In case it slipped your mind, we are AT WAR with al Queda. The reaction of the President-elect to the comments of the #2 in command of our Enemy, and how OTHER world leaders either align or distance themselves from the U.S. based on future response, will not change one iota. The Obamination has already committed a major faux-pas with regards to the Poland/Russia missile situation, was wrong about Georgia, and is considering appointing an AG who pardoned FALN terrorists!
Our country is so screwed. And he hasn't even been sworn in yet.
And don't get me started on the Klintonista Klan.
>>>>Our country is so screwed. And he hasn't even been sworn in yet.
>>>>
I see you remain totally blind to the fact that yes, the country is screwed now, thanks to the current administration, which is why the majority of the American people voted for Democrats and Obama in 2008.
And yes, he hasn't been sworn in yet. You are welcome to your speculation about what he will do and how he will do it, but it's all rather pointless banter, surely. Post again - as you will! - when he takes office.
Mark
Before I serve, let's not forget who started with the insults. It seems that your frustration is getting the best of you. After all, you did marry an Irish guy didn't you?
I called you a sexist pig based on your inane, baseless comments regarding Sarah Palin. You, nameless coward that you are, then dove into your pathetic repertoire of insults worthy of a 7 yr. old and responded with:
>>>>>>>I've seen your picture on this thread and you want a pig?...Go look in the mirror!>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I'm afraid I can't help the face God gave me. Mark posted that picture in good fun. But yours was purely a superficial, thoughtless insult dealing only with my looks, and not the content of my words. You chose to stoop to a level of "debate" which frankly, only reinforces your immature sexist pig image. Therefore, I can only speculate that the root of your deep seated hostility towards women and those more successful than yourself, must lie in being the unfortunate owner of a substandard appendage the size of a skeeter's peter.
I'm sure you wish you measured even half of what my Irish guy does. So not only are you a sexist pig, but a racist as well. Have you examined a great number of Irish appendages over the years? Or do you just want to insult those of Irish descent in general? I'm just curious since you seem to insinuate that marrying an Irishman would be cause for frustration. I assure you, the only thing frustrating me right now is the moronic mindset of the majority of Americans in this country.
Hey Mark....Game, set, match?
Forfitting, Patriot? I accept your concession.
Not this time, Patriot, sorry. 30-15 to the girl in the green and orange tennis strip. It's not fair to get personal when you are posting anonymously.
If I were REALLY boring I would point to the mod's request at the top of this thread.. but that would spoil the fun. Work on that backhander, and see if you can get the ball back over the net
Mark
P.S. Lisa... "moronic mindset of the majority of Americans"... we disagree, perhaps. If your attitude were typical of the Republican voter, what a sad land this would be. Face the facts.. McCain and Palin's rabble rousing didn't get them there. I do so wish you could join the celebration, as you missing the most significant party in our history.
You want to live in a democracy. A vote was taken in our democracy. A man was chosen. Now support him for his term, please. Campaign all you like for the next election in 2012 (groan...) but surely, surely, you won't deny our democracy in the meantime?
Sarah to Putin: We're close, and we're watching!
HA HA
"But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy."
WHAT THE HECK?
Which Bush Doctrine do you mean, Charlie?
But Patriot is right about Sarah!
SO GLAD SHE AIN'T VEEP!
Sarah Palin pardons a turkey, then gives an interview with coffee cup in hand while its breathren are slaughtered right behind her on camera!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/20/sarah-palin-holds-news-co_n_145375.html
Mark,
Me thinks you make a better tennis ref than political debater.
Since you probably don't watch Fox, (you know, the news network that is fair and balanced and had 40% negative stories on McCain and 40% negative stories on Obama), you are probably unaware that I am, in fact, quite representative of most of the Republicans in this country. At least 48% of the voting public in this country is severely depressed. That doesn't even take into account the percentage of citizens who were too depressed by the political candidates offered up to even make it to the polls to cast a vote.
I don't attend parties where the idea of "fun" is to desecrate the American flag. Personally, I think the party that was held at the end of WW II was probably one of the most significant in American History. The parties following this Presidential election to me represented three things: celebration of the election of the first black man to the office of President, celebration of total control by the extreme Left in America, and celebration by the Bush haters of defeat of the Republican party. While I'm very happy that African Americans in this country cannot continue to claim that the majority of Americans are racist, the reinforcement of reverse racism is just getting started. I can just imagine if this country had elected someone who attended a "whites only" church for 20 years, or who sent their children to a "whites only college" would have been portrayed in the media. People should be evaluated based on their actions, words and deeds, not on the color of their skin.
With elections the likes of the Senatorial race in Minnesota involving the recount of "rejected" votes and ballots mysteriously appearing from nowhere, it seems to me democracy would be more alive if we were to switch to the purple ink voting method in Iraq. Black Panthers standing in front of polling places with night sticks and ACORN registering homeless people by listing a park bench as an address are indications of a democracy down the drain.
I have to accept the fact that BO was elected, but I do not have to support him, either financially or emotionally. That is my right as an American citizen, Mark. You cannot force me to bow down to The One and worship him. That's what dictators and tyrants insist upon. Just remember, Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany.
Ah well. Off you go and be miserable for four (probably eight) years then, while the rest of us do our best to get this country back on its feet
Mark
Mark,
How are you getting this country back on its feet? By putting the country on its back, barely able to have the strength to hold up its arm with a tin cup?
No, I won't be miserable, Mark. I'm a very happy person, truly I am. I will pray for a recovery in the housing market and accrue as much cash as I can over the next few years. Maybe try and pick up some bottom of the market real estate deals along the way.
It's the land Scarlet. Only the land lasts forever.
>>>How are you getting this country back on its feet? By putting the country on its back, barely able to have the strength to hold up its arm with a tin cup?>>>
Eh? Remind me not to drink whatever you're drinking.. Bush & Co. did that, remember? Obama-sama has not taken office yet.
There are some who see a glass as half full, and some who see it as half empty. In your case, perhaps you can't even find the tap.
Good luck with your ambulance-chasing real estate investments!
Mark
>>>>>>>>>>Bush & Co. did that, remember?>>>>>>>
Bush & Co. was doing just fine until Congress became a Democratic majority TWO YEARS AGO, an little bit of history you seem hellbent on ignoring. The market is now below 7500 because the American public has voted in a man who barely has the experience to run for Governor, let alone run the country, it appears as though NO ONE knows what they are doing, and consumer confidence is in the crapper.
Eyes wide open, Mark. I can find the tap just fine.
>>>Bush & Co. was doing just fine>>>
Oh I see. Hadn't realized that.
Sigh...
Mark
Mark you didn't see all those Bills that the Democratic Congress has passed over the course of the last 2 years that Bush Vetoed? You know the ones that they used a Veto Proof Majority on in order to override the Presidential Veto.
Getting those bills enacted is what caused the economic downturn we are all seeing now. It is amazing that they were able to ruin the economy over the Presidential Veto and still get themselves elected this past year.
Oh wait a minute Mark, I'm sorry there were no bills that they passed that Bush vetoed and in turn were enacted. I guess blaming the Democratic Congress for the Bush failures only works on Fox News when facts aren't actually needed.
Executive Decision
Dear Customers and Suppliers:
As the CFO of a business that employees 140 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barrack Obama is our next President, and that our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way. To compensate for these increases, I figure that our customers will have to see an increase in our prices of about 8%. However, since we cannot increase prices right now due to the dismal state of our economy, we will have to lay off six of our employees instead. This has really been eating at me, as we believe we are family here and I didn't know how to choose who will have to go. So, this is what I did. I walked through our parking lot and found 6 Obama bumper stickers on our employees' cars and have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off. I can't think of a more fair way to approach this problem. These folks wanted change; I gave it to them.
If you have a better idea, let me know.
Sincerely,
J. T. Stegman
Isn't Google wonderful?
Mistrusting of certain posters as I am (wot, me?), I entered this line in Google's search boc:
"As the CFO of a business that employees 140 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barrack Obama is our next President"
And lo and behold, it appears that J.T. Stegman is not alone! Everybody is laying off six employees! And yes, they all have Obama bumper stickers.
Which reminds me... I must save one for Lisa for the day when she sees the light
Mark
P.S. You would think that when people plagiarise such drivel they would at least make the effort to correct the spelling of the name of our President-Elect! Barrack?
Mark
Good old JT Stegman. From the Mississippi plantantion owner Stegmans, correct? What's the matter is your wife sad you have to sell the house in the Hamptons? It's too bad those people who were fired don't know the real reasons for their firing. Can you say class action lawsuit? Go hang out with Joe the plummer and feel sorry for each other!
CR -
Instead of looking at it from the "Blame Bush" perspective", consider the fact that Republicans in Congress attempted to introduce legislation in to get Fannie and Freddie under control but wait, Frank, Pelosi and Reed all said that Fannie and Freddie were "fine". Therefore it wasn't a matter of Presidential veto, but rather the inability of the Republicans to get reparative legislation past the Democratic Congress But I don't really expect you to understand that simple process.
Mark,
Hey, I've got a "Run Hillary Run (to be placed on front bumper of car only) bumper sticker. Maybe I should use it when she has to duck sniper fire (again?) the next time she is in Bosnia as SoS.
CHANGE we can believe in? Bwahahahaha!
Hey Pinkoe Patriot -
>>>>>>>>>I don't know why anyone would be proud of being a boujoise sexist pig, but there you are!>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Did you mean bourgeois?>>>>>>>>
Actually, we were both incorrect for the meaning I was seeking to put across should have been 'bourgeoisie':
>>>>>>In Marxist theory, the social group opposed to the proletariat in the class struggle.>>>>>>>>
You verbally denounce the wealthy, yet support methods and policies which will destroy the "proletariat", so to speak. You are confused as to your role in society and think it is better to let big government decide for the people.
You attempt to justify the illegal and intrusive invasions of privacy by GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS into Joe the Plumber's background by comparing it to a hypothetical firing of Obama supporters from their jobs. Ridiculous. One is reality, one is theory. How is not possible for you to understand the difference?
>>>>>>>>>>Go hang out with Joe the plummer and feel sorry for each other!>>>>>>>>>>
Plummer?!!!! And you have the nerve to pick on my misspelling of bourgegnonboujouisie?
"Obama warns economy likely to get worse"
WOW, what a f ing genius
He has no f ing idea
Economists are telling him, with the decline in the market that any one that has a brain and has money supports him and he comes up with this one!
Correction to the above blogment
Anyone with a brain or money does NOT support Obama by the fall in the market
Bush and McCain both said the same things about the "economy going to get worse". Who cares. The real point you should be focusing on is how we got in this position in the first place. Here's your first illustration to show you why:
http://www.uncertaintypark.com/Images/Article%20Images/bush_wallpaper_taxes_0303.jpg
Wasn't Ogego the man who Obama gave money to to get elected in Africa? And he did the same for Obama. Our main Stream Media covered up for President elect I am sorry to say.
The above link is actually an Obama link with President Bush superimposed!
Obama: 'Help is on the way' for economy
OMG...Help is on the way! Our tax dollars.
President Elect Biden
"The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks."
India has been wracked by bomb attacks the past three years, which police blame on Muslim militants intent on destabilizing this largely Hindu country. Nearly 700 people have died.
The Muslim elect will bring terror to our country
I confess that it is very unnerving to think that the likes of people who would write "President Elect Biden" and "The Muslim Elect will bring terror to our country" live in the same village. Perhaps - hopefully, even - they don't. But words that, in the first instance, have dark undertones and that, in the second, display simple ignorance make it difficult to know how to counter such narrow-mindedness.
I can only suggest that those who write such things take a little time to read some history. Start with American history, and then - dare I say it - read something of the countries, culture and politics of the rest of the world. Much may become clear about the state of the world today, and how we arrived at this point.
It is the attitudes I criticise above that can bring terror to this country. In contrast, President-elect Obama's intent to work with other world leaders, rather than dictate to them, brings great hope for a safer and more secure future for the United States.
Like it or not, there is a world outside your backyard, Anonymous. We need to work with it, not against it.
Mark
A stampede of shoppers in a Valley Stream Wal-Mart on Friday morning left one worker dead and at least three patrons injured after an impatient crowd broke down the store doors and trampled the seasonal employee, Nassau police said.
Jdimytai Damour of Jamaica, Queens, was pushed to the ground by the 2,000-plus crowd just before 5 a.m. as management was preparing to open the store, which is located across from the main Green Acres Mall building. Hundreds stepped over, around and on the 34-year-old worker as they rushed into the store.
"This crowd was out of control," said Nassau Police Det. Lt. Michael Fleming, whose squad is investigating.
"Nobody was trying to help him," said shopper Nakea Augustine, who was in the line. "They were rushing in the store, rushing, rushing, rushing."
The new presidential coins do not have "In God We Trust" WHY NOT
>>>>This is what this new president brings>>>>>
Yes, surely. It's all Not-Yet-In-The-White-House-Obama's fault that greedy shoppers killed that poor fellow in Walmart.
I'm concerned myself. It's 5:30pm... I just looked out of the window and the sky is dark. Could this be something to do with Obama's color? I think we should be told.
Mark
Anon, you're only eighteen months out of date...
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/coin.htm
Not that religion should have any part of state, of course. I'd rather trust our President when it comes to governing the country.
Mark
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America died November 4,2008.
On January 20, 2009 America will have a celebration. A memorial service for our country. Wear black to memorialize this once great country.
Mark -
I betcha didn't realize you were voting for the 3rd term of the Clinton administration, didja?
CHANGE - as in, better shred those documents and pronto!
Black Friday
Shall now be officially renamed African-American Friday for the idiocies committed by African Americans across this great land.
Who brings loaded guns to Toys R Us?
What ethnicity were the majority of those in the Walmart stampede that killed that poor worker?
and Plaxico? Shooting himself in the leg! Omg, can you get any stupider?
Shame on the white Nassau County police officers who did not give that poor Walmart worker mouth to mouth or have paddles at the ready. How many lawyers do you think have contacted his family so far?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ByB6ADe4c8
Our President-elect told Americans not to be stingy this Christmas! Way to go!
November 4, 2008, America elected the first black President. The occssion is momentous not because of that, however; it is momentous because the majority of Americans have shown to the world that race is no longer a barrier to the election of the right man for the job. Does this mean racism is dead? No; a read of the rantings above makes that clear. I am only glad, however, that such bigotry is not typical of our democracy and true Americans. Or even Bayville, hopefully
Mark
P.S. Clinton... she would not have been my choice were I in his shoes, no. However, probably unlike you I am more concerned that how this hiring may restrict Bill Clinton's own incredible work with his Clinton Initiative. Like him or not, he has moved mountains.
Mark -
You're concerned that ol' Bill might not be able to collect millions in speaker fees from countries we are not currently allied with? If anything, I'd say that was a very smart move on Obama's part. Now he gets to pull Bill's pud instead of Monica.
I'm just waiting for Obama to order his image carved on Mt. Rushmore so he can start a war with the Native Americans who claim ownership. That should be interesting. After all, he's already been compared to JFK and Lincoln by his worshippers and he hasn't even served a day. Hmmm, come to think of it, their terms didn't end all that well, did they?
>>>After all, he's already been compared to JFK and Lincoln by his worshippers and he hasn't even served a day. Hmmm, come to think of it, their terms didn't end all that well, did they?>>>
Oh dear. Not again.
Great men are always under threat, yes, and when presumably sane people like yourself make such allusions, it is easy to understand how more worrying thoughts can arise in those of simpler minds who themselves feel threatened. You'd better hope that nothing comes of such awful speculation, though; such an eventuality would set America back fifty years.
Mark
Mark -
Hey, I'm not the one comparing him to those past Presidents, nor would I wish that sort of demise on anyone. It just seems rather odd to me that The One's SUPPORTERS would attempt to make those comparisons.
Obama has done nothing thus far to constitute the label "great man". He ran an almost flawless campaign. That does not make one "great".
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Obama will do for America what he has done for Chicago...Annie get your gun!!!
I think I voted for Obama for the sole purpose of voting against Sarah Palin. As I've said before, I hate every single thing about her. My mind was made up after that Diane Sawyer interview. I would have voted for Pee Wee Herman over McCain at that point.
That being said, I have to say I'm not at all happy with ANY of Obama's choices so far in regards to his selections for cabinet. I know his administration has done nothing yet, but I think the cards are all in place for a complete ass-raping of this country. I don't like the looks of it. I hope they prove me wrong.
Patriot,
The stock market agrees with you in regards to this mans selection for the cabinet, as it did post election.
We are going down in many ways.
God Bless America
Patriot -
Now why am I not surprised that you would prefer someone who was arrested for jerking off in a movie theater than an intelligent, dynamic, ethical, accomplished, energetic female?
And are all you Obama worshipers thrilled with The One elevating the UN Ambassador position to the Cabinet? How about the $65B global poverty tax we're all going to have to pay to the UN? Next The One will try and mandate all public schools to adopt IB, you know, the same educational program that is an NGO of the UN? Btw, did ANYONE ever hear Obama utter the word "UN" during his campaign? I didn't. Trust me, I listened for it. The UN is a corrupt, useless organization that panders to dictators and social-sts and should fall into the East River while enjoying the same fate as the League of Nations. McCain spoke of establishing a League of Democracies. It was a worthy vision that was completely ignored by the media. Fools.
I admire Pee Wee. I heard he was "jerking off" to Sarah Palin's beauty pageants at that movie theater. Let's face it...that's all she's really good for anyway, right?
Pinkoe Patriot Pig -
http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/p/Pee%20Wee%20Herman/Peewee%20Sandra%20Scream.JPG
Actually, it was porn star Sandra Scream in "Nurse Nancy" which roused your repugnant, puny, idol to a frenzy. You truly are a disgusting pig to compare Gov. Palin to such trash.
Oh, you want to get personal again do you? Calling ME a pig? I found a picture of you and your husband for all to see. Enjoy:
http://i28.tinypic.com/sl0i8i.jpg
Lisa,
Seriously, stop posting on this blog already. Your comments are absolutely worthless and disgusting. You are a disgrace and an embarassment.
Dear Bob Barker,
You're still alive? 85? Good for you Bob. Merry Christmas! I thought your nursie took away your computer privileges. Now be a good boy and go take your yellow pill......no, not the blue one Bob!.......
For those of faith who are outraged by Washington State Gov. Chris Gregoire's support of the hateful atheist signage she is allowing to stand at the State Capital building alongside a creche and menorah, please call her office and voice your outrage at:
1-360-902-4111
It's the Christmas season, morons. Peace and goodwill to ALL mankind. You don't want to believe in God? Fine! Then make yourselves a nice Pagan Solstice display and celebrate your autumn harvest, but don't crap on everybody else's holidays!
Uh oh. The Presidential Election thread is now becoming The Religious Wars thread? Ha. I've no doubt that would make an interesting new discussion group, though
So the First Aamendment is out the window in this case, Lisa? I thought you were a stickler for the Constitution?
"Outrage"... "hateful"... "morons"... perhaps you feel threatened?
25% of the Pacific Northwest are reportedly non-believers, so I see no problem with them having a voice. I would agree though that, while hardly hateful, the wording of the sign is poorly chosen. It is intolerant of others' choices and belongs in a discussion group, not a site of celebration.
Mark
Mark -
"It is intolerant of others' choices and belongs in a discussion group, not a site of celebration."
Amend that to "not a public site" and I am in complete agreement with you Mark. It is not a matter of First Amendment rights. It is a matter of .gov providing a public arena, allegedly in this instance for celebration of this holy season, and one group having a complete lack of respect for EVERYBODY else. I don't care if they want to have some sort of earth day display. They don't need to insult and offend the rest of the country to do so!
If Jews put up a sign that said "We are God's Chosen People" and are better than the gentiles..... how do you think that would go over? Is it their 1st Amendment right to do that?
What if Catholics put up a sign in front of the manger saying, anyone who doesn't accept Jesus Christ as their Savior is going to burn in hell and is an ignoramus? Would that be ok?
No, I don't think so, and I'm pretty sure you agree.
It's time this country stops pandering to the secular humanists who want to ruin Christmas for everybody else. NOBODY CARES if you don't believe in God. You are totally FREE to go on not believing. But don't try and promote yourselves as superior to believers because, sorry, that just doesn't pass the smell test. Go fishing or do something productive, for God's sake!
Obama asks nation for health-care reform input
ARE U KIDDIN!!!
YOU GET INTO OFFICE AND HAVE NO PLAN!
IMPEACH THIS MAN BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE
IMPEACH OBAMA
IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH
>>>>IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH>>>>
Yawn....
I'm afraid you're going to see many changes you don't like, Anon. This one is called Listening To The Nation Before Making Decisions. You've not been used to that with "The Decider", I concede; but then look what Bush decided, despite advice to the contrary. I know I don't need to list his monumental blunders again here.
Watch and learn. I believe that you are going to see a newly energized America under President Obama's leadership. He'll face challenges, of course, and will likely have to accept failures too; which, of course, you will jump on immediately with unbridled delight; but let's not waffle on about impeachment before he's even in his seat, for goodness' sake! Such a comment surely says more about you - whoever you might be - than about him.
Mark
STOP WRITING IN CAPS!
IMPEACH
JINGLE BELLS, OBAMA SMELLS,
RAHMI LAID AN EGG,
BIDEN'S LOCKED UP IN THE BARN
AND HILLARY WILL PLAY....HEY!
JINGLE BELLS,JEREMIAH SMELLS,
NOW WE KNOW OUR FATE
HANNITY AND OREILLY
ARE REALLY HELL'S DARK GATE ....HO!
DASHING THROUGH THE MALL,
ON THE 20TH OF JAN,
THE MANIACS AGLOW,
TO CELEBRATE THEIR MAN,
AND FROM AFAR WE WATCH
AND SHAKE OUR HEADS IN WOE,
AND KNOW WE BETTER HUNKER DOWN
FOR WHAT WILL BE A SHOW..... HEY!
JINGLE BELLS, JINGLE BELLS
JINGLE ALL THE WAY,
OH WHAT FUN, IT IS TO RIDE ON A ONE HORSE OPEN SLEIGH!
In Alaska.
You betcha.
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Obama's Pick for Secretary of Education
Oh dear. For the next 4 years this country will have Arne Duncan helping to formulate Federal educational policy. Could I be any more depressed? Unlikely. You will be hard pressed to find an individual with a more looney-left view of education than Duncan. What kind of "reform" results has Duncan achieved in Chicago?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>6 out of every 100 CPS freshmen would earn a bachelor’s degree by age 25. Only 35% of CPS students who went to college would earn a bachelor’s degree in six years — significantly lower than the national average of 64%. Half of CPS’ students have apparently failed to graduate in the last 30 years.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Great. What else has Mr. Duncan done? Well let's see, he was big with the Annenberg Challenge and Bill Ayers and, oh yes, he supported the establishment of an all gay, lesbian, transgender HS:
http://amerpundit.com/2008/12/16/more-on-arne-duncan/
Great.
Last night, Dennis Miller nominated the "4 headed Chicago Hydra" (Ayers, Wright, Rezko & Blagojevich) as one of his top 10 pinheads while opining, "Gee, if only there was a common thread between those 4."
Make that a 6 headed Hydra, Dennis. You forgot Immanuel and now Duncan.
OBAMA SU#KS
Obama will be president of the US. You are posting on the bayvilleblog. Who REALLY sucks? I think it's you.
Anon, I fear we must presuppose that Anonymous is cranially challenged. Certainly, the eggnog seems to have somewhat eroded his eloquence.
Happy New Year to all who still occasionally wander through the littered battlefield that this thread now represents. We'll soon have a new President. May he satisfy his supporters and pleasantly surprise his detractors.
It'll take a while though
Mark
Happy New Year Mark!
I thought perhaps you had taken a position at the Washington Post.....
"the sun glinted off his chiseled pectorals...."
May I pass you a drool cup?
Guess more Bayville residents put their money on Dems!!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
Google Maps Election Gallery
$41,268 was given by people who identified their zip as "11709".
$10,315 from 10 people to Republicans
$30,953 from 30 people to Democrats
41k to both parties . what a waste. to bad it didn't go to helping local families .
East Ender,
We already know the Dems bought the election when The One lied about how he was financing the campaign. The actual VOTE in Bayville was 60% McCain, 40% Obama.
40% of the votes from Great White Bayville going to a black man? Say it aint so Lisa!
Patriot -
40% of Bayville voting AGAINST a WOMAN?
Now doesn't that sound stupid, Patriot? It doesn't matter to me if a candidate is black, white, purple, Chinese, Jewish or Mormon if their principles and ideology are just.
FYI those numbers were for totals for dems and reps, not necc mccain and obama tho they were included...also totals were for 2004 and early 2008 as far as i could tell. I'm sure the generous folks who donate to either party don't feel it's a waste - and quite possibly they may donate to local causes as well.
obviously they don't feel it's a waste I DO it's there $ and they can do what they want with it. I just feel it could be better spent helping local people.
It would sound stupid if it were the truth, but you and I both know the truth is that McCain's running mate hurt him not because she is a woman.... but because she is a box of rocks.
Patriot -
A box of rocks? Hardly. You should have half the intellect, energy and poise of Palin. I suppose you think the Blundering Biden is more of an intellectual? Give me a break, the man is a babbling buffoon.
So, you think the Demojerks wanting to raise taxes on gas is a good idea? Just when the market has finally stabilized and oil prices have dropped to a reasonable level due to Americans conserving gas, let's tax the heck out of Joe six pack....brilliant.
I'm guessing you support Hamas as well, eh? Since the President-elect is up the UN's you know what, and the UN is calling for Israel to stop the operations, I just want to make sure you're in lockstep with your leaders.
And now, a word from Chuck Norris:
http://townhall.com/columnists/ChuckNorris/2008/11/11/obama,_now_that_you_work_for_me_a_letter_to_the_president-elect
Forgive me, I'm still laughing at the Ann Coulter pop-up ad that almost jumped through my monitor when I clicked on the even funnier Chuck Norris article. And although I do not support Hamas....I DEFINITELY don't support Israel. I question why this country is and always has supported Israel through every decision good or bad that they make. Bush wants to call Hamas terrorists while Israel is the one dropping the bombs. Question authority Lisa, it'll do you some good.
>>>I question why this country is and always has supported Israel through every decision good or bad that they make.>>>
Votes.
Lisa, you're a Chuck Norris fan? Why am I not surprised? Wikipedia on Carlos' political views:
"Norris is a Republican, often championing the views of the party. Norris has donated more than $32,000 to Republican candidates and organizations since 1988. On January 26, 2007, Norris filled in for Sean Hannity as a co-host on the popular Fox News Channel debate program Hannity & Colmes alongside Alan Colmes.
Chuck Norris supports gun rights and ownership, and is against public schools condoning homosexuality. He also does not believe in the theory of evolution. Instead, he subscribes to intelligent design.
On October 22, 2007, Norris announced his endorsement of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee for President. Norris said, "I believe the only one who has all of the characteristics to lead America forward into the future is ex-Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee."
On May 10, 2008, Norris was the commencement speaker at the deceased televangelist Jerry Falwell's Liberty University. Norris addressed a graduating class of more than 4,000 students.
After the 2008 presidential election, Norris drafted a letter to President elect Barack Obama, stating that he should uphold the Constitution, protect the rights of the unborn, and not follow the precedent of the past US Presidents.
On November 18, 2008, Norris became one of the first members of the entertainment industry to express support for the California Proposition 8 ban on same-sex marriage, and heavily criticized the gay community for interfering with the democratic process and double standard."
Could be your brother, eh?
As for Hamas... just another example of why Georgie Boy doesn't seem to be touting the "spreading of democracy in the Middle East" line so much any more. Hamas was elected, after all.
And that said, anyone who thinks it is Hamas' POLICY to sling rockets over the border into Israel is too easily led by this administration's hype. Those who believe such spin need to look much more closely at the level of desperation and resentment within the people of the Gaza strip.
It's amazing to me that there's anything left to bomb there anymore. What a hell hole, and what a tragedy for Gaza's innocents.
Mark
Ohhhh, the poor Palestinian terrorists, cowards hiding among women and children as they launch their missiles into Israel - unprovoked - declaring Israel, not Gaza, that Israel has no right to exist....harking all the way back to 1948. Policy? Do you think those sand morons actually have policies? Oh yeah, "He who changes his religion must be killed". That's a good policy.
I knew it. I knew without even discussing the issue with Obamaniacs where your sympathies would lie. I noticed a NY pro-Palestinian protester carrying an Israeli flag with a swastika instead of the star of David. Was that you Patriot? Do you and Mark deny Israel's right to peacefully exist without having missiles constantly lobbed at its people?
Hey, Chuck Norris USED to be a legend at LVHS. I guess the brainwashing is complete, eh?
>>>Hey, Chuck Norris USED to be a legend at LVHS.>>>
He did?! Oh dear. What happened to The Duke? Forgotten already?
Mind you, my own childhoood favorite was Clayton Moore. Readers who don't possess as much grey in their hair as I do might not remember him, but he and Jay Silverheels made a fine pair as The Lone Ranger and Tonto...
Childhood LR joke no.1:
Tonto has his ear to the ground as The Lone Ranger watches his tracker intently. "Stagecoach... six horses.. four passengers... driver and three guards...."
"That's amazing, Tonto. You can tell all that by putting your ear to the ground?"
"No Kemo Sabay. Friggin' thing just ran over me."
Childhood LR joke no.2:
"Tonto, there are Indians to the left of us... Indians to the right of us and behind us, and more up on the ridge. We're surrounded!"
"WE, Kemo Sabe?....."
Mark
This JA to B Prez isn't in office yet and look
Richardson withdraws as Commerce nominee
New Mexico governor cites pending investigation of business dealings
Mark -
>>>>>>>>>>Hamas was elected, after all.<<<<<<<<<<<
So was Hitler.
>>>>>>>>>>Hamas was elected, after all.<<<<<<<<<<<
So was Hitler.>>>>>>>
Yes, of course; but my point was that we don't hear so much about "spreading democracy" at the end of a US gun any more. Any more than others besides President Bush use the flawed phrase "war on terror".
It's easy to understand Israel's frustration at continued militant rocket fire into its territory. It's certainly arguable, however, that its current action is disproportionate.
Mark
Mark,
First, why don't you 'splain to me why the phrase "war on terror" is flawed. If you had said "war on drugs" was a flawed phrase, I would have readily agreed.
Disproportionate? You would have been "ok" with it if Israel launched 4,000 missiles back across the border for the next 8 years instead? Would that be a "proportionate" response? Ridiculous. Hamas needs to be smacked down and have its weapons depleted along with weapon supply routes from Iran destroyed. Palestine playing the "victim" card and moaning about "the children" being killed is just ridiculous. Don't house missile launching sights in schools and mosques and protect your civilians and you won't have civilian casualties!
The U.S. was absolutely correct in blocking the UN resolution that only condemns Israel. Pay attention to what ELSE is going on at the UN regarding Israel:
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article.php?viewall=yes&id=1454&relrelated=1#Ileana2
On December 31, 2008, U.S. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Ranking Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, called on the United States and its allies to boycott the Durban Review Conference: “Iran, Libya, Cuba, and their fellow repressive regimes at the UN continue to deny the Jewish state's right to exist, and they aim, through Durban II and other UN efforts, to prevent Israel from defending itself. The closer it gets to Durban II's start date, the more clearly we see that the fix is in, and that Durban II has nothing to do with anti-racism and everything to do with attacking Israel and the Jewish people. Free nations should unite against violent radical Islamists and prevent the further manipulation of the UN to legitimize their extremist agenda. The U.S. and other responsible nations must stand up to the dictatorships that have hijacked much of the UN in general and Durban II in particular. We should, like Canada and Israel, refuse to fund or participate in that hate-fest, and we must lend our legitimacy only to those efforts that truly advance the cause of tolerance and non-discrimination.”
http://www.science.co.il/Arab-Israeli-conflict/cartoons/land-for-peace-20060724.jpg
"I DEFINITELY don't support Israel." ~Patriot
Ah, so you posted that little cartoon in support of Hezbollah and Hamas? How very anti-Semitic of you.
G.R.E.E.D.
Patriot -
Ooo, is this an acronym guessing game? I love acronyms. You must be describing yourself, let's see....
Goyim Repulsive East End Dope
>>>>why don't you 'splain to me why the phrase "war on terror" is flawed.>>>>
Essentially, because in its simplicity the term indicates that terrorism is a finite enemy, whereas in fact it is a technique of subversive warfare. The USA has had little exposure to terrorism, historically, whereas it is a sadly familiar problem to many others; but my point is that it is nothing black and white that is easy to define as an enemy. Bush stating "you're either with us or against us in the war on terror" and "we will not stop short of total victory" (I paraphrase, but his use of the word 'victory' is well known) has done significant harm to the reputation of this country and its ability to create meaningful coalitions with which to attack the real problem.
You are never going to destroy terrorism by fighting fire with fire, as for every father you kill you are likely to create potential martyrs out several of his sons; terrorism grows from ideological roots. More important, surely, is to explore the reasons WHY terrorism occurs, and target the problem specifically. There is no text book that applies in every case. America should get Bin Laden, yes; decimate Al Qaeda, yes; but taking out whole countries in the process is not the answer. Witness, our ongoing problems in Afghanistan - a country that has never been successfully invaded or colonized by any foreign power - and Iraq.
The following front-page-of-Google links will not be your cup of tea, Lisa, but highlight some of the concerns about this administration's terminology:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terrorism
http://www.globalissues.org/issue/245/war-on-terror
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/23/AR2007032301613.html
and last (and definitely least, but indicative of the issue with the phrase, perhaps):
http://www.waronterrortheboardgame.com/
Mark
>>>>>>>>>>>>You are never going to destroy terrorism by fighting fire with fire, as for every father you kill you are likely to create potential martyrs out several of his sons; terrorism grows from ideological roots.>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And you are never going to negotiate peace with those who seek to deny others the right to peaceful existence. The radical Islamic ideology does not allow for the peaceful coexistence of diverse populations. It is Islam or nothing. A "religion" that preaches intolerance and hatred can be recognized as sovereign in a nation whose majority has decided that this is what it wants, but it does not give it the right to impose that ideology on other sovereign nations. Let it be known that in Iran, terrorism is the national ideology of choice. Keep it there. Any effort by countries like Iran to expand that influence beyond its borders should be swiftly and immediately trounced. If that means wiping out the male population so that it CAN'T repopulate, so be it.
>>>Let it be known that in Iran, terrorism is the national ideology of choice. Keep it there. Any effort by countries like Iran to expand that influence beyond its borders should be swiftly and immediately trounced. If that means wiping out the male population so that it CAN'T repopulate, so be it.>>>>
I had hoped that, right wing as you are, you weren't quite in the "nuke 'em all" camp! I misjudged you!
"Let it be known that in Iran, terrorism is the national ideology of choice." What? How many Iranians do you know? Not many, I guess. That is a grossly inaccurate generalization. Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wouldn't be my choice of dinner guests either, but it's not fair to tar the whole population with the same brush.
Mark
Mark -
Actually, I know a few Iranians, although they prefer to refer to themselves as Persians. However, they are safely here in this country. While I probably should have referred to Gaza instead of Iran, your point of "well, Hamas was elected" points to the majority of a given population supporting the ideology of terrorism, unless you are willing to recognize the fact that the election results were coerced. You can't have it both ways, either the election was legitimate or it wasn't. So, if we go with your assumption that it was legitimate, then the entire region must be declared a terrorist state. I don't believe I ever mentioned nuking Gaza as a possibility, only you brought that into the equation. An opportunity for opponents of Hamas to flee the area and obtain amnesty in Israel should be presented and then the rest of the region should be decimated. Wipe out the terrorists and then the refugees can return and reclaim their homeland to live peaceably. Those who fail to flee and choose to fight for Allah, can die for Allah.
Winning an election does not in and of itself grant legitimacy. Democracy is not majority rule. Majority rule is nothing more than mob rule. A true liberal democracy protects the rights of the minority from that caprice of the majority. Ergo,even if the results of the Gaza election were "fair", Hamas is not a legitimate governing entity
Will to Power,
You are, of course, correct, which goes back to my point that whether it is Hamas, Hitler or Chavez, the fact that these individuals are "voted" into power doesn't give them the right to attack other countries. Israel has the right to exist without having missiles constantly launched across its borders upon innocents. Frankly, I am floored at the Liberal support for Hamas in this country! Shocked, I tell you. Oh, I had a bad gut feeling this would be the case. But after listening tonight to Alan Colmes, a Jew, decry Israel's "disproportionate" response, I wanted to throw up. Then to later hear Colmes say, "Well, Chavez ran the oil for the poor program, that was a good thing right?".... again, I wanted to throw up.
And don't get me started on the UN school....I have evidence of IBO/UN support for the Palestinians and opposition to Israel dating back to 2006. The hypocrisy and total disgusting lack of morals to use children and the UN flag as shields while firing mortar attacks from within school walls......excuse me while I go throw up.... (pg.24)
http://www.ibo.org/ibap/conference/documents/Vardy.ppt
Oh, so Alan Colmes (a Jew) can't be critical of Israel? Criticism of anyone or anything in this country is a freedom! Maybe he doesn't take his religion seriously and maybe the Israeli's shouldn't either. It's obviously causing a lot of bloodshed over there.
"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death". [George Carlin]
Patriot -
Did I say Colmes CAN'T criticize Israel? No, I did not. I am a big supporter of our First Amendment, in case you hadn't noticed. But his rantings mirror the cognitive dissonance of the looney-left who disregard reality and seek to champion the "victim" of the week. It is quite ironic that American Jews tend to be overwhelmingly Liberal. I'm not going to dis their religion, our country was founded on freedom of religion, and, like Alan Colmes, if they can't see how support for Hamas and the UN is harmful to their own people, well, so be it. The issue of separation of church and state as it applies to secular institutions in this country has nothing to do with the conflict in the Mid-East unless you want to make a comparison to Israel and the Vatican City. How should the Vatican react if France started launching long-range missiles into its realm? Turn the other cheek?
Personally, I could give a rats ass what the Vatican thinks about anything.
NotaPatriot -
Oh good. So you not only hate Jews and women, you hate Catholics too! What a loser!
Nope. I'm just solely anti-semitic. At least I admit it (and spare me the "stop hiding behind your moniker" crap. I already gave you reasons why I don't type my real name). And what about your race issues? That's the real question.
My race issues? Last time I checked I was white. Do I believe that ethnic stereotypes exist for a reason? You betcha. Do I believe that those stereotypes apply to ALL individuals of any given ethnicity? No I do not. And that's honest.
Do I think a lot of Jews have big noses and are especially fond of money? Sure. This stereotype goes back thousands of years to when the Jews were the taxcollectors and money lenders in the Mid East. Jews have always placed great value in education though, and despite centuries of persecution, their fortitude and "smarts" are the reason that despite being a small minority, they are major players in America's entertainment, legal, medical and banking industries. Do I instantly hate all Jews because of that stereotype? Of course not. Why? Because that is blind stupidity and judging a book by its cover. The same goes for blacks, Hispanics, Orientals, Russians, Italians, Germans, Irish, etc. Each ethnicity has distinct stereotypes that apply. Yet each ethnicity consists of individuals who are unique in their own right. It takes higher critical thinking skills to be able to discriminate between the stereotypes of a group and the qualities of an individual. Obviously you are lacking in these skills.
Traitor, you don't have to type your real name. I know exactly who you are.
The Orient is a term which simply means the "east". It originated in Western Asia to describe that part of the world. It is now used in the Western world to describe Eastern Asia.
To describe a person as Oriental is considered to be impolite and politically incorrect by some in the United States; the term Asian is now widely used. In the United States Oriental refers to objects and material good such as rugs and teapots.
looking forward to another 4 yrs of Clinton BS.
Defining ethnicity
The terms "ethnicity" and "ethnic group" are derived from the Greek word "ethnos" normally translated as "people" or "tribe". The term "ethnic" and related forms were used in English in the meaning of "pagan/ heathen" from the 14th century through the middle of the 19th century. This practice was derived from New Testament Greek, which used the plural ethne to render the Hebrew goyim.
The modern usage of "ethnic group" however reflects the different kinds of encounters industrialized states have had with subordinate groups, such as immigrants and colonized subjects; "ethnic group" came to stand in opposition to "nation," to refer to people with distinct cultural identities who, through migration or conquest, had become subject to a foreign state. The modern usage of the word is relatively new — 1851[19] — with the first usage of the term ethnic group in 1935,[20] and entering the Oxford English Dictionary in 1972.
The Oxford English Dictionary's modern usage definition is:
a[djective]
...
2.a. Pertaining to race; peculiar to a race or nation; ethnological. Also, pertaining to or having common racial, cultural, religious, or linguistic characteristics, esp. designating a racial or other group within a larger system; hence (U.S. colloq.), foreign, exotic.
b ethnic minority (group), a group of people differentiated from the rest of the community by racial origins or cultural background, and usu. claiming or enjoying official recognition of their group identity. Also attrib.
n[oun]
...
3 A member of an ethnic group or minority. orig. U.S.
—Oxford English Dictionary "ethnic, a. and n."[23]
Writing about the usage of the term "ethnic" in the ordinary language of Britain and the United States, Wallman notes that
The term 'ethnic' popularly connotes 'race' in Britain, only less precisely, and with a lighter value load. In North America, by contrast, 'race' most commonly means colour, and 'ethnics' are the descendents of relatively recent immigrants from non-English-speaking countries. 'Ethnic' is not a noun in Britain. In effect there are no 'ethnics'; there are only 'ethnic relations'.[24]
Thus, in today's everyday language the words "ethnic" and "ethnicity" still have a ring of exotic peoples, minority issues and race relations.
Mr. Teacherman,
>>>>>>>>>>To describe a person as Oriental is considered to be impolite and politically incorrect>>>>>>>>>>>
I see you know how to use Wikipedia since you copied the definition verbatim. How very intellectual.
>>>>>>>>Oriental - capitalized : of, relating to, or constituting the biogeographic region that includes Asia south and southeast of the Himalayas and the Malay Archipelago west of Wallace's line [Merriam-Webster]
You know, my daughter told me the same thingabout Oriental being considered "impolite", but then again, she happens to attend one of the more Liberal universities in this country. I'd like to know exactly when this political change in semantics took place. Could you pinpoint a year for me? Since I'm approaching the "older than dirt" phase of my life, political correctness is not high on my list of priorities. I'm of the opinion that the terms *Negro* and *colored people* are more accurate ethnic descriptors than *African-American* and until the NAACP changes its acronym, I find all of this PC nonsense hypocritical and ridiculous.
To me, Oriental refers to people from Korea, China, Thailand, Singapore and Japan. Asian could include Russians, Indians,Pakistanis,Armenians, etc. Is it insulting to call Australians Australian? Or Aussies? After all, Australia is both a country and a continent.
Should I be offended that my children were schooled in "English"? My husband is of Irish heritage after all, in case you couldn't tell by the last name. Maybe I should insist that all children in our country be schooled in United Statesian, instead of English. Now doesn't that sound silly?
As an aside, it might interest you to know that people in Singapore refer to themselves as Sporeans. To me that sounds like some sort of mutant bacteria, but hey, if that's what they want to call themselves, more power to them.
I gave $10 to a Bayviloughlin once outside IGA.
Mark
Mark,
Hehehehe, let's be accurate, you gave $10 to the American Red Cross. I wasn't begging for personal gain outside of IGA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKrTBwcgLjY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWgQ8EHaH_0
Anti Obama and OCDB: neither of you comment, but we can presume, I suppose, that you endorse the content of your posts.
I've an idea, though. Instead of publicizing such useless bickering and resentment, why don't you (and the organizations you highlight) put your efforts into rebuilding the Republican party into a unit that the majority of the American people are prepared to vote for? Can it be done, given the present administration's legacy? Your call: but surely, that makes more sense than just moaning and groaning?
President-Elect Obama was elected. Get over it. Surely, a more positive approach would now be to work for your country, not against it?
Mark
Mark,
"Moaning and groaning"? You slay me, you know that? So because *The One* was elected, his miserable choices for Cabinet shouldn't be questioned? Their records and potential conflicts of interest shouldn't be put under a microscope? Everyone should just join hands, sing kum-bay-a and welcome the Social-st Energy Tsar?
I tell you what Mark. When the liber-loons at the Huffington Post stop bashing Bush, I'll consider drinking the Kool Aid. Until then, (which will be never)I and the other 48% of this country who didn't vote for The One are allowed to exercise our First Amendment rights anywhere we want. Let's clarify your position - only the Left can complain and bash the right and the right has to be quiet and suck it up? Do I have that right?
Gee, I'm surprised Abebama didn't wear a top hat on that train ride. This Lincoln obsession is going a bit far.
And....."we need a NEW Declaration of Independence......independence from selfishness...."
oh boy.
Anybody else catch the reference to our Constitution being an "imperfect document"?
Did Abe Lincoln have his minions picking up his crackberry?
http://i.gizmodo.com/5133676/breaking-news-obama-dropped-his-blackberry
"It's very sad. They tried everything to get these people to leave. They tried water cannons. They tried special forces. They tried wire cutters, and finally, as a last resort, they had a black family move in next door, and they just (got) right out of there." –Bill Maher, on the Israeli pullout from Gaza
http://digg.com/educational/Not_the_Change_Obama_Promised
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKrTBwcgLjY
Mark,
Yes, the Republican party must build a stronger united team as this country WILL be LEADERLESS for the next four years.
WORLD & NATION UPDATE: AT HOME
Compiled from news dispatches
January 18, 2009
A Muslim scholar chosen to speak at President-elect Barack Obama's inaugural prayer service Wednesday is the leader of a group that federal prosecutors say has ties to terrorists. Ingrid Mattson, president of the Islamic Society of North America since 2006, is one of many religious leaders scheduled to speak at the prayer service at Washington's National Cathedral. In 2007 and as recently as last July, federal prosecutors in Dallas filed court documents linking the Hartford, Conn.-based Islamic society to the group Hamas. Neither Mattson nor her organization have been charged. Linda Douglass, a spokeswoman for Obama's inaugural committee, would not discuss the case or say whether the committee knew about it.
Yawn....
Nostradamus' third prediction will appear tomorrow for the world to see
Democrat Cognitive Dissonance and Hypocrisy
The country is in the worst economic shape allegedly since the Great Depression yet Obama supporters are wasting $150 Million on the biggest inauguration event in history. I just hope that with all of the bars open till dawn, the vast majority of Obama supporters will puke all over D.C. and decorate the landscape appropriately.
You really SHOULD work for Fox News, Lisa!
Points: worst economic shape, yes, thanks, Republicans. Wasting $150 million, no, your figure is unsubstantiated. What is fact is that the federal budget for the event is $49 million. I remind you that George W.'s SECOND inaugural (for what?) cost $42 million. This week's inauguration actually matters. Obama has raised over $50 million himself (yes, he can) and if things are likely to run over budget (which they are) it is because of late requests by neighbouring states for extra funding because this will be... in your own words.. the biggest inauguration event in history. And there is good reason for that.
I know you cannot see beyond our own borders, Lisa (and #3, come to that, with his/her silliness) but you should open your eyes and understand just what this event portends for the restoration of America's standing in the world. You won't, of course, and will come up with further Doomsday scenarios and shabby comments; I am only glad I can share the positivity that pervades our nation right now, even if you can't.
Mark
Mark -
Unsubstantiated? Au contrare Mr. Beaumont.
From the Associated Press:
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_inauguration/2009/01/18/172667.html
And from abroad:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5543057.ece
How interesting that a mere 4 years ago, the NYT which isn't fit to line my cat's litter box bemoaned Bush's inauguration spending of $47M:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/11/opinion/11tue3.html?_r=3&scp=1&sq=victor%27s+spoils&st=nyt
Mark
YAWN YAWN YAWN
This inauguration means NOTHING
Sorry, Lisa: still speculative, not substantiated. The Prez-Elect has promised full transparency of inaugural spending, so you'll be wiser presently.
The NYT editorial in 2005 was merited. Why on earth is it necessary to hold a massive inaugural for an incumbent president upon re-election? I do concede that to the world's amazement and that of much of this country, he WAS elected the second time whereas whether he was fairly elected the first time remains dubious.
Anyway, there'll be no fireworks at President Obama's little party. He's too worried that your cat might get annoyed and might not have been declawed.
Mark
P.S. Enjoy the Superbowl, Anonymous. Won't be long now. Just carry on watching 'America's Scariest Police Chases' or whatever in the meantime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Prez-Elect has promised full transparency of inaugural spending, so you'll be wiser presently.>>>>>>>>>>>>
Bwahahaha! Oh stop, that's so funny. You mean the same "full transparency" Obummer showed during his campaign with all those "under $200" foreign Internet contributions?
Speculative? As in "My Trillion $$ spending initiative will create 2.5, no, um wait, 3, no wait, better uhhh 4 million new jobs".
Declawing cats is cruel. My 4 kitties have all their claws and are trained to attack anyone who dares to wear a "Change" T-shirt to my house.
Bravo George W. Bush for commuting the sentences of the border patrol agents:
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/bush_commutes_agents/2009/01/19/172960.html?s=al&promo_code=77FC-1
The Superbowl would be worth watching if I had any interest in it
The inauguration and the Superbowl good comparison
Will the inauguration be on America's Scariest Police Chases???? Oh I get it after the festivities they will be chasing them!!!!
WAY TO GO PRESIDENT BUSH
President Bush has commuted the prison sentences of former
Border Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean!
TOO BAD WE WILL HAVE NO PRESIDENT FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS
Lisa, if you ask your Mom to take the parental controls off your computer, you'll find there are other sites out there apart from Fox and Newsmax.
I do understand, however, that with your particular attitude to the world about us, Bush's clemency in this instance seems appropriate. These chaps only shot Mexicans, after all, not Californians (yet). But here is a qualification of your "Bravo" and Anonymous' "WAY TO GO". From your own link:
"Bush didn't pardon the men for their crimes, but decided instead to commute their prison sentences because he believed they were excessive and that they had already suffered the loss of their jobs, freedom and reputations, a senior administration official said.
"The action by the president, who believes the border agents received fair trials and that the verdicts were just, does not diminish the seriousness of their crimes, the official said.
Compean and Ramos, who have served about two years of their sentences, are expected to be released from prison within the next two months.
They were convicted of shooting admitted drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete Davila in the buttocks as he fled across the Rio Grande, away from an abandoned van load of marijuana. The border agents argued during their trials that they believed the smuggler was armed and that they shot him in self defense."
Any more final shots at giving President Bush a legacy we can all believe in?
Mark
P.S. We're all gearing up for a local "Neighborhood Ball" tomorrow night to celebrate America's next president. Like to come? We'll be drinking champagne like the elitists/Marxists/followers/intellectuals/blacks you think we are, but I could save you some Kool-Aid if you'd prefer?
Mark
Dear Mark,
Oh thank you for the invite, but I have to cover the lovely Board of Ed's Budget meeting and I tend to do that sober. Somehow socializing with Marxists and drinking champagne sounds like an absolutely nauseating way to spend an evening, but thanks again for thinking of me.
Did you read my little article how the district overtaxed us for 08-09?
http://www.theleaderonline.com/2008/Audits%20Find%20LVCSD%20Overtaxed%20Residents.htm
And of course to be fair and balanced, here is the district's "response":
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/uploaded/District_Information/comunity_letter_web.pdf
Readers should know that my editor and I spent almost an hour on a conference call with the Superintendent prior to going to press to provide the district with an opportunity to be quoted in the article, however the district failed to provide us with approved copy or statement.
It should also be noted that the MS flooding began in the spring of 2007, not 2008 as the district states in its letter.
DEAR MARK,
BREAKING NEWS :::
In 2009 the government will start deporting
all the mentally ill people.
I started crying when I thought of you.
Goodbye George W. Bush....Hello...well...hello ANYBODY else!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciTKhfCV2Ek
Spoke with some of my Republican friends from around the country today, interesting phenomena, most of them couldn't bear to turn on the TV. Now me, I'm a glutton for punishment so I listened to "the speech".
I heard The One describe America as a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and non-believers.
Interesting placement order.
Or so it seems to me.
>>>Or so it seems to me.>>>
Well, it would, wouldn't it?
If he'd put them in alphabetical order you'd be just as critical; in fact, more so had he used the term "atheist" for non-believer!
I'm glad you took the opportunity to watch the ceremony, though, Lisa. Obama's overriding message is that the future belongs to the people, not to him or to government, and that is the people who can rebuild what America has lost and who can shape its purpose for the future.
Unfortunately there will still be those who simply sit on the sidelines, refusing to acknowledge this president and all he will strive to achieve, bemoaning their fate for the next four years (or more). It seems that there might even be some of this mindset in our village! However, in years to come their own consciences will tell them whether or not they can still stand proud as Americans.
Here, have your soapbox back... sorry, it's been an inspirational day. Even without the opportunity to serve you a Kool-Aid
Mark
WE ARE FREE
FREEDOM RINGS OVER THIS GREAT COUNTRY NOW
WE ARE FREE...WE CAN DO ANYTHING NOW THAT "THE ONE" IS HERE
JESUS GAVE UP HIS LIFE MAYBE "THE ONE" WILL DO THE SAME
PLEASE SAVE US FROM THE HARDSHIP WE HAVE ENDURED
PLEASE SACRIFICE YOUR LIFE SO THAT WE CAN LIVE IN PEACE
Today was a display of Hitlers youth in America...mad sick
Guess its time to rename this thread!! Yahoooooo! What a GREAT day yesterday was!
President Obama, YAYYYYYY! the people spoke!
YAYYYYYY! YAYYYYYYY!
Order of the day
Closing down Guantanamo Bay
Bring enemy combatants to the U.S.A.
Grant them rights
set them free
so they can blow up
you and me.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
Just as well McCain didn't get in, eh, Lisa? You wouldn't be able to use your poem, given that he also strongly supported closing Gitmo.
East Ender, it was a great day indeed, which far outshines the simple-minded codswallop we're still having to read in this forum thread.
Mark
Codswallop? My poem was a heckuva lot better than that tripe that cleared out the Mall yesterday..... LOL!
Sarah wouldn't have let him close Gitmo, at least not before finding other countries willing to accept the prisoners.
>>>Codswallop? My poem was a heckuva lot better than that tripe that cleared out the Mall yesterday..... LOL!>>>
Well I shan't be putting you up for Nassau Poet Laureate, but - and I am a poetry lover and occasional poet myself - we are in agreement that yesterday's offering did not exactly move the nation! Except physically, that is... the bars were open, after all...
>>>Sarah wouldn't have let him close Gitmo>>>
She would have had to. If she even knew where it was, that is
Mark
See that? Common ground. We agree on sucky poetry. Not much, but it's a start.
RUSH: I got a request here from a major American print publication. "Dear Rush: For the Obama [Immaculate] Inauguration we are asking a handful of very prominent politicians, statesmen, scholars, businessmen, commentators, and economists to write 400 words on their hope for the Obama presidency. We would love to include you. If you could send us 400 words on your hope for the Obama presidency, we need it by Monday night, that would be ideal." Now, we're caught in this trap again. The premise is, what is your "hope." My hope, and please understand me when I say this. I disagree fervently with the people on our side of the aisle who have caved and who say, "Well, I hope he succeeds. We've got to give him a chance." Why? They didn't give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun. I'm not talking about search-and-destroy, but I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed.
If I wanted Obama to succeed, I'd be happy the Republicans have laid down. And I would be encouraging Republicans to lay down and support him. Look, what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care. I do not want the government in charge of all of these things. I don't want this to work. So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails." (interruption) What are you laughing at? See, here's the point. Everybody thinks it's outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, "Oh, you can't do that." Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it? I don't care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: "Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails." Somebody's gotta say it.
OCDB (Overwhelmingly conservative democrat basher?):
You must be so proud to have Rush Limbaugh as your hero. Do you think, as the self-titled "Last Man Standing" in the Republican party, he'd consider a run for president in 2012? I do hope so, because then Obama would be guaranteed a second term, for sure.
The man is a pompous pillock. It amazes me that anyone can take him seriously at all.
Mark
Do over! Do over! We screwed up!
Obama takes second oath of office sans TV cameras and props. What prop you ask? Oh, that pesky little Bible! He couldn't use one that wasn't HONEST Abe's????
Well, we do have to be thankful for the little things, thank God Carolyn Kennedy isn't going to be our next Senator.
Hey Lisa, I don't remember you moaning about Ronald Reagan retaking the oath in 1985! But then maybe I was too young
Just as well Obama took the precaution, in any case, given that ill-informed talking heads like Paul Wallace at FOX (surprise, surprise) pounced on the flub immediately. Me, I would have been happy to accept the validity of the 20th Amendment.
Mark
Mark,
>>>>>>>>>Hey Lisa, I don't remember you moaning about Ronald Reagan retaking the oath in 1985! But then maybe I was too young.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You're not too young to read now, are you Mark? Let's see, WHY did Reagan retake the oath?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/22/AR2009012203769.html?hpid=sec-religion
Rutherford B. Hayes, Woodrow Wilson, >>>>>>>>>Dwight D. Eisenhower and Ronald Reagan in 1985 -- restated their oaths publicly because in those years Jan. 20 fell on a Sunday, meaning only private ceremonies were held on those Inauguration Days.>>>>>>>>
Ohhhhh. Because it fell on a Sunday (must have been Divine intervention). NOT because he flubbed it front of 2M people and the world and redid again without the Bible or TV cameras. For "abundance of caution". The same caution NOT being used to apply to the Executive Orders he signed PRIOR to his re-swearing in. And now The One magically has been allowed to keep his Presidentially modified crackberry, cuz it makes him look cool.....LOL
I just can't wait for the day Hillary walks into the oval office and finds The One puffing on a butt when she was the one to outlaw smoking in the White House...... hehehehe, oh the irony.
C'mon Lisa, you must have better things to write about!
Firstly, the oath is not even a constitutional necessity. The presidency passes to the next, elected president at midday on inaugural day, oath or no oath.
There is also nothing in the Constitution that requires the use of a Bible of any kind in the handover process (as our own local hero Teddy Roosevelt would tell you, or James Foote might). The use of a bible is traditional, but arguably inappropriate in today's world, particularly to those who hold the view that there should be full separation of church and state.
Ha! That'll get her started...
Mark
Actually Mark, I'm having quite a lot of fun exposing Liberal lies and hypocrisy this morning. Let's start with yours firstly:
>>>>>>>>>>>Firstly, the oath is not even a constitutional necessity. The presidency passes to the next, elected president at midday on inaugural day, oath or no oath.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Bzzzzzt. Incorrect. As per Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution:
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A2Sec1.html
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
So quite clearly, your "firstly" comment is wrong.
Secondly, while I agree with you that there is nothing in the Constitution regarding being sworn on a Bible, the question at hand is not whether or not Obama believes or doesn't believe in the solemnity of swearing upon one, it is the fact that in the goofed public swearing he did, but in the non-public do over, he didn't. So which demonstration of oath swearing is truer to his ideologies?
You are right, indeed, that the oath taking is written into the Constitution and, that the wording is specified exactly, as you quote. Apologies, my misunderstanding was to do with timing. I must read more. I must read more. I must read more.
As for your second point, his personal religious conviction should be NOTHING to do with his political office, so to me your point is irrelevant, although I understand, from your perspective, why you would make it.
Mark
Mark,
>>>>>>>>>>You are right.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thank you. My favorite three words.
Right you are. Far right, right?
You must be happy today, in any case, at Paterson's senatorial pick. Does this mean we can all start shooting at each other on the LIE? It would make a change from exchanging fingers, I suppose.
Mark
Mark,
No, just plain ol' right.
From what I've heard, she is a more center of the road Democrat than a far left victim like Carolyn McCarthy. But responsible gun owners like myself never transport a rifle or shotgun in a car loaded, really Mark, I'm surprised at you!
Haha, at least Rahm Emmanuel can't give me the finger.........LOL!
Why don't the mods just add a new thread titled "Mark and Lisa Kiss Each Others Ass". I liked it better when you were nasty to each other. Man, talk about koom-bay-ya! I'm starting to feel ill...
Patriot,
Go play with some gas ovens, I'm sure that will make you feel better.
Patriot, the war is over, don't you see? This is all just for fun, now. Nasty to each other? Goodness gracious, what a thought. Can you not recognize the art of fine debate when you see it?
Besides which, it keeps my pencil sharp, now and again, to challenge the rancourous, rabid, raving rants of such rapscallions.
Mark
Mark,
Ah, ever the delusional Liberal. This ideological war is far from over. While your alliteration skills are above average, your grasp of Constitutional issues is sub par. Loquacious Liberals lurking languidly while lamenting lecherous liaisons will be your downfall.
Obama's record in the Illinois State Senate and his short time in the U.S. Senate was a disgrace - with no major achievements, but instead a record of frequent rants against the traditions and values that we believe make America great:
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Obama criticized our military, suggested our troops engaged in improper conduct in their missions.
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Obama defended anti-American dictators and sympathized with their grievances against the United States.
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Obama repeatedly voted for higher taxes and increased government regulation.
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Obama's support for abortion was so extreme he defended the practice of infanticide.
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Obama advocated radical positions on the environment and embraced positions on "global warming" that science simply does not support.
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Obama worked with radical La Raza organizations that do not believe America should enforce its borders, and instead should provide full taxpayer-funded benefits to illegal aliens.
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Obama denounced those who embraced patriotism - even refusing to wear an American flag lapel pin after 9/11 (and only reversing himself after intense public criticism).
So for us, it was inconceivable to believe that after two stints in public office (Illinois State Senate and U.S. Senate) that Barack Hussein Obama would suddenly become a great uniter who would work constructively with people other than the far Left activists he has counted on for support his entire life.
"DON'T LISTEN TO RUSH LIMBAUGH!"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4331839/Barack-Obama-picks-a-fight-with-Rush-Limbaugh-as-bipartisan-spirit-crumbles.html
ROTFLMAO - Oooooo, is widdle Obummer afraid that big bad Rush is going to shock some sense into our Kool-Aid drinking Congress?
So much for bipartisanship, eh?
Don't tell me you are one of the great unwashed who actually take Rush Limbaugh seriously, Lisa?
Limbaugh is a hypocritical extremist whose excesses appeal only to the lowest common denominator, surely? Much as Glenn Beck is TV politics for those who can't sit through a serious debate and so need endless sensationalist sound bites to keep them attentive.
Obama's actual words in this case were:
"You can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done"
Seems a pretty sensible comment to me, and I fail to see the fear in it. The Republicans will have to get a lot cleverer - and much less divisive - if they are to have any chance in 2012. They can't just stick Palin up on the podium in a pretty skirt next time.
But, of course, you pick an article by a conservative journalist writing for Britain's most conservative broadsheet to make your point.
Mark
Mark,
I happen to think Rush has an awful lot of common sense things to say and Liberal derogatory comments like yours banishing Rush to the lowest "caste" of humans are a pompous, arrogant display of close-minded ignorance. Just like Obama's little "I won, I'm the President" tirade like he's an 8 yr. old playing President. In one week, the man has managed to undo security measures that Bush put in place after 9/11 and is putting our nation at risk. I think Obummer and Biden think this whole thing is a big joke a minute and their cavalier attitudes are way too casual for my liking. It's not the Republicans being divisive when the Democratic President is saying "Nyeh nyeh nyeh, we're not gonna listen to (gasp) Conservatives, we can't hear you". We'll do what we want, screw bipartisanship!" Or do you think I somehow interpreted that incorrectly?
Now you don't like a foreign source I chose to back up my post? You don't like Newsmax or Fox, I thought you were the one who was so worried about what other countries think of the U.S.? Wasn't that you? What proof do you have that the Telegraph is the UK's "most" conservative newspaper? I picked it for the detail of the story, not for its political leanings.
And Glenn Beck, I just watched him for the 2nd time. He did a great piece on the moronic Liberals in MN who decided the school buses needed to run on biofuel for a "cleaner planet". Except they forgot one little detail - biofuel turns to gel when temperatures drop below freezing. Sub-freezing temperatures being a rather common occurrence in MN, of course one morning the buses wouldn't start and poor little MN schoolkids left standing at their bus stops for hours had to be treated for hypothermia! The Liberals' solution? Keep the buses idling all night long! Wow, that's GREAT for the planet, right?
http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/biodiesel-congeals-school-buses-stall/
NYT Liberal enough for ya Mark?
I heard that Rush Limbaugh is a big fan of mayonnaise.
http://usera.imagecave.com/rdmyers/oxyrush.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/1/m/limbaugh_drugs_jail.jpg
>>> What proof do you have that the Telegraph is the UK's "most" conservative newspaper? >>>
Well, I've read it for twenty five years. But Google it, you'll soon find out. Good crossword, mind you.
>>> And Glenn Beck, I just watched him for the 2nd time. He did a great piece on the moronic Liberals in MN who decided the school buses needed to run on biofuel for a "cleaner planet" >>>
Did you actually read to the end of the qualifying article you linked?
Mark
http://www.noutopia.com/Resources/person_rush_limbaugh_cigar.jpg
Warning: the youtube video below contains explicit language from my main man George Carlin. The video goes hand in hand w/ the pic above of Rush Limbaugh ans his cigar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG3l0rmgyb4
>>> We'll do what we want, screw bipartisanship!" Or do you think I somehow interpreted that incorrectly? >>>
Wll certainly I do. Obama is taking a very centrist line, and is upsetting more liberals than conservatives at present, for sure.
But look at his poll numbers, Lisa. It does seem that the majority of this country wants him to succeed, and is willing to believe in him. A more positive attitude to the future, perhaps, than those of you and your friend Out-on-a-Limbaugh.
Mark
Mark,
Of course I did, did YOU?
>>>>>>>>>>that says that diesel, rather than biodiesel, what what stalled the school buses. The study was paid for by Yokum Oil, the fuel distributor.>>>>>>>
That's like Blagojevich paying for a study to 'prove' his innocence.
Btw, are you going to TIVO Blago on The View tomorrow? What a freakshow these Liberals have become, its embarrassing they are even of the same species.
Mark,
Why would I care what Obummer's poll numbers are? You didn't care that Palin's poll numbers for her home state were over 80%, now did you? Irrelevant, I believe you called them. Back atcha.
Btw, I believe Congress's approval poll rating is somewhere in the 12% range, you must be very proud. That Nancy and Barney, what a pair.
Let's remember something kids, Limbaugh is a paid independent radio host, NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. Obama doesn't want anything to interfere with his social-st rhetoric, especially a loud mouthed radio host with an opposing viewpoint. Let's see how long it takes Obummer to try and get Limbaugh shut down and silenced with his little Truth Commission. Hello Nazi America.
Let's remember this mom, Limbaugh is an arse. But I must admit I do actually listen occasionally, if not for the absolute hilarity of his Idiotship then to confirm that the country did the right thing by electing Obama.
Those unwilling to fight for freedom will lose it.
Ever wonder why our economy is in the tank, or why our taxes are so high, or why both parents have to work to support their families?The answer is entitlements!The below report is a good indicator
Welfare just ain't what it used to be! December 22, 2007
Sharon Jasper has been victimized. Poor thing...she has been rabidly wronged. She has become a Section 8 care case -- the victim of ever changing public housing policies.Sharon Jasper has spent 57 of her 58 years dedicated to one cause and one cause only, and has nothing to show for her dedicated servitude.. She has lived in Section 8 housing all but 1 of her 58 years.
It was a legacy passed down from her parents who moved into Section 8 housing in 1949 when she was six months old. She has passed the legacy down to her children, but fears they may have to get jobs to pay for the utilities and deposits.
She laments about her one year hiatus from the comfort of her Section 8 nirvana, ' I tried it for a year -- you know, working and all. It's not anything I would want to go through again, or wish on anyone in my family, but I am damn proud of that year.'
Sharon was moved out of her St. Bernard housing project after hurricane Katrina and into a new, yet albeit, substandard quarterage. As can be noted from the above photo of her new Section 8 home, it is repugnant and not suitable for someone of Sharon Jasper's seniority status in the system. 'Don't be fooled by them hardwood floors,' says Sharon.
They told me they were putting in scraped wood floors cause it was more expensive and elegant, but I am not a fool -- that was just a way to make me take scratched up wood because I am black. The 60 inch HD TV? It may look nice but it is not a plasma. It's not a plasma because I'm black. Now they want me to pay a deposit and utilities on this dump.' 'Do you know why?'
She has held her tongue in silence through the years of abuse by the system, but it came to a head at the New Orleans ' city council meeting where discussions were under way about the tearing down of the St. Bernard projects. When a near riotous exchange between groups opposing the tearing down of St. Bernard and groups wanting the dilapidated buildings torn down and newer ones built, Sharon unleashed verbal hell with her once silenced tongue. The object of her oratory prowess was an acquiescent poor white boy in attendance.
The context of her scathing rebuke was, 'Just because you pay for my house, my car, my big screen and my food, I will not be treated like a slave!' and 'Back up and Shut up! Shut up, white boy! Shut up, white boy!'
Recapping from the mental log of the city council minutes in her head, Sharon repines, 'Our families have been displaced all over the United States. They are being forced to commit crimes in cities they are unfamiliar with. It is a very uncomfortable situation for them.. Bring them back, then let's talk about redevelopment.'
East Ender,
Thank you for proving once again that Liberals are incapable of discussing issues without spewing ad hominems. Grow up.
Lisa M - I wasn't attacking you, just a slice of sarcasm at your "kids" reference. Just my (republican) opinion that Limbaugh is an arse. At least I admitted that I listen to him - thought you'd like that!
The House is expected to vote TODAY (Wednesday) on the Obama Stimulus
bill,
which is getting worse and worse -- and bigger and bigger -- by
the hour. Here's just a sampling of what is in the bill:
$2.4 billion carbon capture products...
$4.19 billion for ACORN and other bogus "community organizing" groups...
$650 million digital tv conversion...
$79 billion to bail out the state education system...
Hundreds of millions for family planning...
$400 million global warming research...
$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts...
$200 million to refurbish the National Mall...
And the bill is not even a stimulus! Just 1% of the so-called stimulus
is for tax cuts for small businesses. And according to the Congressional
Budget Office, two thirds of the stimulus will not even be spent for
nearly two years!
East Ender,
I didn't take your usage of "mom" as insulting. Instead of being able to intelligently debate what points Rush has made that you disagree with, you resort once again to calling him an "arse". If you listened to him as you claim, you should certainly be able to pick at least one topic and debate it without the need to insult the man despite your intense hatred.
Here we go East Ender. Why don't you share with us what you think is assinine about the following:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123318906638926749.html
Oops, misspelled assanine......I hate it when there's no edit button
Hahahaha, it's really *asinine*....that doesn't look right though, does it?
BIG BOY OBAMA IS AFRAID OF RUSH!!!!
RUSH IS GOING TO EXPOSE OBAMA
OBAMA WILL FAIL
FEMA still a No Show
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hxyhhC1qV6qWnOdkwks6C1HpYtPAD961R38G0
Must be because Obama hates white people, right? I mean, that's the only thing that makes any sense! After all, FEMA's screwup with Katrina under Bush was because Bush hated black people, or so the Liberals claimed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5JFeaJ5A4g