July 4th Celebration -Bonfire decision
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Jeff - I'm re-posting my suggestion and your response from the other thread, ok?
I think there is a relatively simple solution to the bonfire issue. While I feel for the little girl who was burned by the fireworks, I hate to see the Village ban the bonfires in response to fear of litigation. This "punish all for the actions of a few" philosophy, has permeated our schools for years and I find it unreasonable and offensive. As a 30+ year resident of Bayville, the bonfires are a 4th of July tradition which we have enjoyed for many years. The beaches are private property. However, the Village does have the right to remedy potential danger in several ways:
1. Require a permit
2. Include in the permit a "hold harmless" clause protecting the Village from litigation in the event of an accident
3. Establish a bonfire height limit and minimum distance from residences.
4. Increase beach patrol
5. Require dousing of bonfires which do not have a permit or fail to comply with terms of permit.
Make the fee reasonable, similar to a yard sale permit - $10 with an additional amount (in this case I might recommend more than $15) to be held in escrow until bonfire remains are cleared from beach.
Jeff Silver wrote:
Great idea Lisa. I would also add a steep fine to #5. also, half of fine should go to the fire department.
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Heck, I remeber when we used to burn leaves. I love the bonfires. I think the they are a great tradition. I've lived in Bayville since '62. if there have been more than a few injuries or property damages I sure do not remember them. I think there are more problems with careless boaters than with the bonfires.
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Hey! I've got an idea! Let's all invite Iranians to Bayville bonfires for the 4th, just like President Obama wants us to!
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=96784§ionid=3510203
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I had a nice long talk with the Mayor about the bonfires. I'm not happy with what is expected to be the outcome, but I understand the reasoning behind it.
The Village was approached by eight (8) Association Presidents, requesting that the Village do something about the bonfires.
Under Nassau County law: http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/agencies/FireComm/Docs/PDF/NCFPOasof1-31-2008.pdf
... if the Village were to issue permits, it would be doing so in violation of County law.
Such a shame. A few morons who let things get out of control ruined it for everybody else. So it goes.
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Section 14 covers bonfires, and beaches - especially private beaches - are not mentioned as one of the places prohibited from having fires. If it is done with prevailing winds blowing northerly, there would be no daner to nearby structures.
So actually the bonfires would be legal!
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This is above local jusisdiction. Besides the county the state also prevents open burning. County abides by the state.I will miss the fires but understand the decision.
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Remember a few years back when the Mayor tried to stop the fires she sent the Fire Trucks to put them out....remember the out come???? only one was put out. I'm sure Washington Avenue remembers. Keep them small and contained and parents keep kids off the beach and on the Blvd. to watch the fireworks, You don't have to sit on the beach. As far as the little girl that got hurt I'm very sorry for her it was an unfortunate mistake and I hope she is o.k. now. Be responsible put them out at 11:00p.m. and no one gets hurt.
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The day will be most memorable in the history of America. I am apt to believe
that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary
festival…It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade…bonfires and
illuminations (fireworks) from one end of this continent to the other, from this time
forward forevermore.
So wrote John Adams on July 3, 1776 to his wife after the Continental Congress
had decided to proclaim the American colonies independent of England.
'nuff said (from Fireworks in America)
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Great quote Peter. Unfortunately John Adams is probably turning in his grave right now due to the enormous number of sniveling lawyers and preposterous lawsuits...
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Leave the bonfire's, have a village or town sponsored fireworks show, and have NCPD enforce the illegal fireworks. It's the fireworks that pose the greatest danger.
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FIREWORKS ARE ILLEGAL IN NYS! No fireworks anywhere except professional shows. No bonfires, they cause death and destruction. Period!
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Bobby, calm down. How many bonfires have caused deaqth and destruction in Bayville. Backyard BBQ's have caused more problems. I've lived in bayville since 1962, every year there are probably 20 bonfires that is about 1000 4th of july bonfires in my life. With very minor problems. During that time there have been numerous problems in bayville and surrounding communities caused by other things. Is the Nanny state going to start with our tradition of once a year bonfires and move to stop swimming past the moorings, to skiing in the bay, to teaching driving in St Gertrude's lot. Some people have to lighten up. There was a problem last year - it was a wake up call. It shouldn't be a death knell to a sacred tradition. People have to police themselves and thier streets, we can not let the government become the parent taking care of all of us. We as residents must make sure that the visitors follow some common sense rules and we have to enforse them. Not call in a bunch of overpaid cops to hand out tickets and fines.
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I like how the 4th is a celebration of the birth of our ability to practice our innate freedoms...those same freedoms which are now under attack. It's simple, parents watch your kids better. Kids, enjoy yourselves your only young once (also use your judgement). Elderly, I'm sorry you got old, but it happens, don't take it out on everyone else. And despite what you may believe the next generation isn't doomed or weak (Aristotle thought the same thing about the next gen after him, and obviously things turned out alright - we're all here)
So this year i'm going to dig a little deeper into the sand, and build my fire a little higher. Why because it's the oldest human invention, I'm an eagle scout, and i love this country. Pace out!
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So, a girl get hurt by fireworks and Bayville bans bonfires? Each year we read about someone getting hurt from fireworks at a backyard family picnic.So lets ban family picnics next year.Better yet, lets all go to bayville amusement area and do a group head shake.Why not ban fireworks? This town keeps me laughing.LOL
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This is one of the worst decisions I have ever heard of. Bayville 4th of July was always a special special time for me. I still return each year to be with family and friends to enjoy the celebration. In the DECADES of the bonfires and fireworks, how many injuries or fires involving homes have there been? How many regular back yard bbq accidents occur each year?
Should we ban bbq? Ban swimming since someone might drown?
Why does government have to control ever aspect of our lives? We the citizens give them power. Enough of this nanny state. Government needs to stay the HECK out of our lives.
This is just one more reminder of why I left NYS. The oppressive intrusive government has really gotten out of control.
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I am very upset about the meeting last night. I found out at the last minute and all of my neighbors and friends had no idea this was going on. I have lived in Bayville my whole life and the last 10 yrs on the beach. Our association has enjoyed the bonfires with respect and caution. It is wrong to outlaw them because of the few irresponsible people.I commend the two trustees that voted not to ban the bonfires and am truly disappointed with the rest of our local government. People should take responsibility for their own actions and it is not the villages' place to dictate this.
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Gwen is right! Especially since the fires are on private property. There is no way our block won't have a fire. It is one of the few things Bayville is still famous for!
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Another reason for term limits, get Vicky out of there. How can we expect a fair balance vote from our village board members. They are all one party, I'm completely shock to see 2 voted against her. If you read the law that was passed, it also bans piling of wood, paper and straw, for clarification purposes does that mean you cannot pile firewood on your own property. This is another knee jerk reaction by a uninformed mayor and board. The board never look at bonfire stats, bonfires are not even in the top 20 reasons for burns, the mayor needs to go, along with the three other slugs and bottom feeders that are not representing you. I was at the meeting and the village board is hearing the residents, more residents want bonfires then didn't, who are they representing, their know intrest. We already know the village can not be sued, the family already tried that and the case was dismissed. This are private beaches, the village contributes nothing to the beaches and have no right to govern the use of the beaches. It should have been a block assoication decission to ban bonfires. Does the new law effect residents who have fireplace in their backyard or a firpit. The resients should be notified. Since we can not have bonfires, I think one block assoication should make their beach a nude beach. No more vicky, No more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyvNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vickyNo more vicky
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Maybe this year instead of the beach we should have the bonfires on Bayville Avenue!!!
This is most rediculous thing that the village has ever done!!
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If anyone would like to establish a new party to run against the present administration please post. I would entertain the idea. We can talk more. We would need to start developing a team. 2010 is the year to get Vicky out. 20 years is way to long, her time is up.
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News Flash! You can stop your hysteria, Vicki told the Oyster Bay Guardian weeks ago that she's not going to run again! So trot out your finest ... find us someone else who will dedicate themselves to this Village for no pay the way Vicki has for over 25 years.
I am sad that the bonfires have been banned. But the Village is only enforcing a Nassau County law that it turned a blind eye to over the years. The Village had to stop turning a blind eye when people became litigious and filed complaints. I blame all of the a-holes who charged money for their parties, threw fireworks into a fire and got drunk and into fights. So it goes.
"Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you got till it's gone.... Joni Mitchell
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Very well put Lisa!
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thank you warren ave for letting that jackass throw his huge out of control party and now ruining a Bayville tradition. This guy has only been in our town for a few years and has ruined our 4th. Take action against him don't ruin it for everybody.
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Glad to hear that Vicky is stepping down, how its time to put someone forward that can produce more. Vicky name to fame is only one thing, I kept your taxes down and that is honorable, but its not everyting, we need a progressive leader who has a vision and mission outside just saving us tax dollars. Does anyone know if the village owns and property and do they rent out those properties, where does that money go and where is it.
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Who is the idot or jackass that threw that party, I personally want to visit with him, his name should be displayed on this blog, your mother always told you all it takes is one jackass to ruin it for everyone.
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Does anyone know who the two trustees that voted no are?
Could anyone tell me where the meeting announcement was posted? The Leader? The Guardian? IGA?
Vicki is saying she is not running but she is already positioning Doug Watson for the position...the Guardian article hinted towards it.
One Party has ruled this town for over 30 years. A lot of good has been done, but a diverse group needs to sit on that board. 2010 Mayor and three trustees are up..I hope someone goes for it!
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Does anyone know if the members from the last party are running again. They seem like devoted resident of the community and had some good ideas. What were their names agian, I can not remember
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What was that guy's name who had the party. Let's name the new law after him, i/e The Jackass Law.
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Bayville Mama,
If the Guardian article "hinted towards" Doug Watson running for Mayor, then it was wrong.
Thanks Jen.
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Bayville Dude,
You said...
"thank you warren ave for letting that jackass throw his huge out of control party and now ruining a Bayville tradition. This guy has only been in our town for a few years and has ruined our 4th. Take action against him don't ruin it for everybody."
Warren Ave residents have called the police several times over the years in regard to large parties held by this person. They have also tried speaking to him directly and then are verbally attacked. The Warren Shore Accociation sent out notices saying that bonfires are not allowed on Warren or Shore Ave.
Don't blame Warren Ave. Blame the person who has these out of control parties, or maybe the parents who allowed their child to be next to a huge bonfire and fireworks. Just curious what would you have done to prevent this, Bayville Dude?
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Who were the trustees that voted no? Anyone know??
Lisa, I love how you are the authority on all that has to do with Vicky & the Village.
You do not hold a position with the Village, yet you spew such firm answers regarding Vicky & the Village issues not only on this topic but others over the years on this blog.
What a bold statement to say Doug is not running. Doug himself did not say "no" in the article...but you must know what is in Dougs head since you know he is not running for an office that will not be vacant until June 2010! Amazing!
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Lets all hope Doug does not run. Would be more of the same nonsense and he is more obnoxious then the current dictator. Yes Vicky that is a compliment.
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Bayville Mama,
I know what Vicki and Doug tell me first hand. I also consider them both personal friends, not just "Village officials".
I've never been afraid of making bold statements of truth.
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As a Locust Valley resident, I condole my Bayville neighbors on such a horrible vote. I do not know the whole story, but it is a shame that this incident has ended such a fun tradition. One more freedom has been taken away from us because some people are not responsible for themselves.
This is wrong & we have to start fighting back.
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"In this village, there are wheels within wheels and fires within fires." ...well maybe not anymore.
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Two summers ago, I was hit by a wave while I was standing in the shore line during a nor'eastern. I fell back on my butt, I wasn't hurt in anyway but it was dangerous. I think we should build a 8 ft tall cement wall in the water surrounding bayville to stop the dangerous waves. And while we're at it we should build a dome over the town to block the sun so I don't get sun burned. Please the village needs to be my mommy.
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Obama is already doing that throughout this country.
Taking away our freedom seems to be a national desire.
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I remember when i was Real little.. I couldnt even be anywhere near "the grown ups", while they were lighting off fireworks. How this poor little girl was allowed close enough to the fire is beyond me. And the sick thing is: if this happend to some dumb*** in their mid 20's it probably would have been over looked. There is as much against this, as there is for it. There should be stipulations for a fire.. but to completly disallow them??? Only because a few uptights cant seem to compromise.. Like "the sticker", the local economy could be stimulated by this whole thing.
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"Two summers ago, I was hit by a wave while I was standing in the shore line during a nor'eastern." ~Charlie Pacekawitz
I guess you want the title of official Bayville Village Idiot, eh?
Will somebody please make me a nice martini? Please?
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You all do realize that your talking about a bonfire, correct? We all have overcome greater tragedies in life I hope. If not...this is a sad place we live in.
And for what it's worth, I blame the parents of the child too.
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I think its perfectly sensible to ban the bonfires. Then after we should ban cars from our road ways, the statistics for accidents involving cars are much higher. Then we can ban leaving your house so no one can get hurt.
Fireworks have been banned for years and they appear like clock work on the 4th. Will this ban really have any effect on the bonfires?
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Well said, Peter S! My family has been celebrating for about 55 years and I do not recall any injuries or deaths caused by burning bon fires because most people used common sense. Although it's tragic that one girl was apparently injured last year, probably due to someone's stupidity or carelessness with fireworks, I think it's complete and utter insanity to throw the baby out with the bath water. If the idealogues have their way, this once great country of ours will eventually evolve, if it hasn't already begun so, into a bona fide police state. I do agree, however, that people should clean up the beach after the bon fires but I guess it doesn't really matter any more. Will Bayville residents defy this ordinance and erect bon fires anyway for the sake of pride and tradition? That remains to be seen this coming Fourth of July! If nothing else, at least my family will always cherish the wonderful memories of crackling bon fires and dazzling firework displays illuminating the sky each July 4th in a little community known as Bayville.
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Tommy:
Yes, you are 100% correct. I guess we will just have the memories of many great summer 4th of July bonfires and great times on the beach. It is too bad my kids won't have that chance because the Village was afraid. It is all very sad.
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I live on the sound side and in the same house for over 40 years. There have been problems in the past. When there were problems the police would come and take care of the problem and let the celebration continue. Each street or several jointly have associations and have mandated what goes on on the private beach that they control. Several of those associations had already banned bonfires and that was their communal right to do so. What right did these people have to ban a long standing tradition from my beach? My neighbor's and I have hired guards to restrict the people coming to our beach on the 4th. We have hoses at the ready for sparks, we have trained ex NYFD people who live on the block monitor the fire. And we have never had a problem. We make sure that children are kept safe, that anyone setting off 'works do so at a reasonable and safe distance from the others and clean up our beach ourselves. We actually make sure to come out and gather all the nails and glass that were left behind the night before. We should be allowed to apply for a special permit to have a once a year celebration of our great country's birth and survival. If the town want to limit the size or put minor restrictions on us that is fine (use only wood that does not have nails etc). To arbitrarily punish us without taking some sort of vote is inexcusable - and to wait for the last minute to act is despicable.
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I live in bayville now but am not 'from' here. so maybe that explains my disconnect here.
the village is, to my understanding from reading the newsday article, merely stating that this year they and NCPD will be enforcing the laws that are ALREADY ON THE BOOKS about bonfires and fireworks.
so they are not now BANNING the bonfires, they've always been illegal and now the law is being enforced.
I don't get how doing this makes bayville a 'nanny state'? but again, I grew up somewhere else so maybe i'm not REAL bayville enough to get this fine nuance.
finally. there is so much blather on this blog about people being litigious and overly ready to sue the village. (ie, on the post about the road that was illegally closed forever and was recently opened) so now that the village is being proactive to AVOID costly lawsuits, why isn't this being viewed as a good thing?
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Hello everyone. I hope Bayville is ready for my return on what everyone knows I call 'the best day of the year'.
There are some people that know me and know what happens when I come to town, and some that don't.
One year, upon my return, a president street resident exclaimed "oh NO! It's one of the Kalenderian boys! What are we going to do!" I can't wait to see him this year.
Without bonfires on the 4th, Bayville is not Bayville.
Yes, it can get crazy there with out of towners (did someone REALLY say 'oh noes! people from LV and OB!' up there?), traffic, and all the general craziness. Don't forget about the revenue it brings Bayville though...
I will leave it all at that.
See you guys on the beach! Good luck controlling us!
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Man i can't wait to get smashed and throw a firework into a bonfire.
....what too soon?
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Paul,
You make a lot os sense. I agree with alot of what you say. What I do not agree with is using the name of one resident or the other writers seeking the name of the Warren Ave. Fellow...in this town on that beach on fourth of July there are so many large bonfires and so many parties that it is unfair to try to tag this on one or two people.
I agree it became a crowd control issue and a party with no host, just roaming kids so to speak, but please leave peopls names out, espcially when you do not post your full name.
Also, there is a law called reparian rights and anyone can go on any beach at or below the mean high water mark, it is the accesss to thoe beaches which are private and keep them relatively unused by others.
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While I have not been a lifetime resident of Bayville, there are members of my family and friends that have been. I have had the privilege of living in Bayville on and off throughout my life. Some of my fondest memories of Bayville are from the Fourth of July celebrations. There is nothing like looking up the beach and seeing a row of bonfires and the residents of Bayville celebrating together. It is a joy to be able to walk up and down the beach going from bonfire to bonfire and visiting with everyone and even running into people I have not seen for years. Is there another time of the year when the entire village comes together like this? I don’t think there is. I can understand the viewpoint that the bonfires and people can get out of control. Have you ever been to a party where everyone behaved themselves?? I haven’t and that includes family parties’ lol. I know it can be frustrating as one person mentioned to have the crowds from outside the area come in. I remember one Fourth of July when it took me half and hour to get from Jefferson Avenue to Souvi’s for cheese fries. I believe that as long as the patrols are set up and people are held accountable for their actions, that the majority of residents should still be able to enjoy the Fourth of July tradition. Yes, a tradition. What happens when they have all been banned? And yes, I understand from earlier posts that this has always been the law, but that has not seemed to affect the celebrations until last year. And while my heart goes out to the little girl who was injured, I ask, where were her parents and why was she so close to the fire? If it is your bonfire and your party it is your responsibility to monitor the situation. You are responsible for who stays at your party and even the size of your bonfire; they can be kept under control. I am thinking of traveling back to Bayville for the Fourth but I don’t know if I can go and not see the beach lit up with bonfires.
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This 4th of July, Americans should set bonfires all over Washington DC to protest our loss of liberties and the complete and total shredding of the Constitution. Never in the entire history of the United States has there been such a rush to eradicate everything this country was founded on and turn the U.S. into an Obama oligarchy. Forget the Bayville bonfires, take them to our Capitol and take back our country!
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Just so no one thinks I am advocating unlawful behavior, permits are available for bonfires in DC:
http://fems.dc.gov/fems/lib/fems/pdf/application_checklist.pdf
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You've forgotten to take your medicine again, Lisa, haven't you...
Mark
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Actually, I just removed a medicated heat pack for this godawful PAIN in my neck that won't seem to go away.
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O.K. Folks it's not fair to name names, because I know for a fact that it isn't only one person on the beach having those parties, it's quite a few. There are families that come out here only for the summer and they have no regard for the locals or the rules, they think they can do what ever they want rules don't apply to them. But they do, and some of them have to be more responsible to the families that live here all year round. You have a house on the beach you have summer parties thats just the way it is, but be responsible for your quests and tell them the local rules. We should not have to suffer and cancel our bonfires, it has been a tradition in Bayville since I was born and before that. This is Bayville we have bonfires and we will continue to have them Vickie or not. Lets be a little more responsible this year, not that we haven't been, but some people should be. And summer residents remember we live here 365 days of the year, you only live here maybe 90 days respect us and follow the rules you are a Bayvillelite for those 90 days.
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Gwen,
Let me pat you on the back!!! Well said. You go girl!!!!
Sue
(from the far end of Bayville far far away from the beach)
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Dark Humorist:
Not too soon. just not clever or funny. but boy are you edgy!
i was next to that bonfire when it blew up. some people even thought that i had thrown the firework in. my friend and i had to dodge flaming hot balls as they shot at us. I have to say, it was one of the scariest things i have seen. It went everywhere. I understand the village's concern, but i think the ordinary citizens of bayville are responsible enough to have the traditional bonfires. the real blame lies in these so-called "professionals" that people hire to put on a show. these people have no idea what they are doing but then yell at anyone who gets too close to them or their fireworks setup. thats what happened last year. some guy hassled me for getting to close to the display, for safety reasons of course. Then i see him throw a box with some mortars left inside into the bonfire. why can't people just illegally transport their own fireworks into NY and blow them up themselves instead of hiring some assholes to hurt people?
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young resident,
I'm actually glad you drew attention to Dark Humorist's comment. I had read it, chuckled to myself, and kept going.
Dark Humorist simply must be a guy. Notice, there are never females throwing boats onto bonfires or firecrackers into them. No, it's a GUY thing. It's not the women getting into physical fights with each other. Oh, maybe a few passing out on the beach here and there, but not the blowing up, loud noises and big FIRE stuff.
So let's place the blame where it really belongs - on testosterone!
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Does anyone know why the hydrants along Perry Avenue were being flushed out today, Sunday, by Water Dept Workers?
Also FYI Recertification Permit for Nextel Comm. going before Zoning Board on June 24th ZBA Meeting.
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10 days to go! What will happen?
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I'm having a bonfire to celebrate the birth of a nation of men ruled by themselves that the world had never seen before. Unfortunatly we now are ruled -not by the people, for the people- but by special intrests and trial lawyers. I say show the courage the iranian people are showing defy the village hall dictates and show that there still is a bastion of liberty in Bayville!!!
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Peter, I like your idea. We should do one better; and not to diminish the suffering of the Iranian people, but as an act of solidarity, empathy and in the spirit of day, I think Bayvillians should wear green arm bands on the fourth
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Yeah ok MJ, I got a better idea. How about wearing Yellow to support our troops along with red, white and blue.
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Anonymous -
Well said. I'm with ya.
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My fellow Bayvillians, old and new. A little piece of Bayville History. Many many years ago there was a great bar on the beach, Reinhart's with a very large deck and a great bar, many of you know the place, Many of us who grew up here and many from other towns used to go there for the 4th, I have to say it was great. Now there is Wall's beach I don't go there but it's similar same idea. Sadly if the bonfires do not continue the town will lose revenue people come here from all over to go to the beaches, I bet it is Bayville's biggest day ever, what really attracts people here??? We are losing our beaches, Center Island, Ransom, what more can you take from us?? 4th of July is a big day for our merchants, Vickie what were you thinking????? Banning the bonfires? Do you really want this town to disappear? We are famous for our 4th of July. I understand the irresponsibility of some but get the police to clear the beaches at 11:30 or so instead of banning, how about taking a positive approach and have the police man the beaches and get rid of the people before things get out of hand, your going to pay them anyway to stop the fires, why not pay them to control people. Let us have the fires it's a tradition that should be kept in this town. I love Bayville and I don't want to leave ever there is no where else like Bayville on the 4th of July, people come from as far as California for it. One day out of the year, let Bayville be Bayville.......
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Great post Bayville Resident..I totally agree. I also think the bonfire decision will have a negative impact on the property value of the homes on or near the President Streets. It seems as though Mayor Siegel is purposely letting this town go to crap before she leaves office.
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>>>It seems as though Mayor Siegel is purposely letting this town go to crap before she leaves office.>>>
ENOUGH! What is the matter with you faceless people?! How many more ridiculous personal insults must our Mayor (and certain trustees) put up with from anonymous posters such as yourself? Mayor Siegel is voted into office, as you yourself could be, Presidents Streets, if only you had a name and the courage to stand by it.
So easy, is it not, to criticise inanely when you have nothing to offer in return? Good luck with your home values.. Bayville needs better so I hope you get your price.
Mark
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Bayville Resident,
Don't worry. I'm sure the Bayville Beverage will sell as much, if not more beer, than years prior.
Well said, Mark.
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I might be naive but just how would a ban on bonfires affect property values? Let's suppose I want to sell my house and I tell potential buyers that once a year a neighbor builds a 35 foot high bonfire on his beach. If the wind changes the house I'm selling could get set on fire. I don't think that would really help sell the place.
I have no opinion as to the fires. The beaches are private and if someone wants to risk a fire getting out of control that is their business.
I'm sure that people will build bonfires and I'm equally certain that there is little, if anything, the village can do. Will they have someone going around issuing tickets?
As for the posters who feel that the Mayor is worse than Stalin, they can get together and start their election campaign next spring. There will be trustee seats open along with the mayor's job.
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Woody,
You are not the least bit naive. In fact, you regularly post information on Village happenings that people might miss elsewhere. "President Streets" is obviously someone who is extremely ignorant when it comes to real estate.
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So the 4th is near. What will happen? All eyes on Bayvilles brave hearts.Newsday holds the press. I lived here longer then you,I don't live here.Does it matter.Just another moment taken away.Your town voted Vickie in.Still laughing.
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Very well said Mark and Lisa!
I too am neither for or against the fires. What I am for though is the safety of our residents and our 4th of July guests. People will still be celebrating whether the fires happen or not. Lets not forget what the day is really about and although the fires are a tradition (and fun if kept under control) we can still celebrate our great nation! Also, maybe its the optimist in me, but if the next couple of 4ths are tame the bonfires can be reintroduced in a more safe and less hazardous way?
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"Don't worry. I'm sure the Bayville Beverage will sell as much, if not more beer, than years prior."
Lisa, many of your assertions are supported with clear evidence, personal examples, or published statistics and reports. But I believe in this comment you are all too carelessly dismissing a genuine consequence of this ban. Concordantly and although not entirely eloquent, Bayville Resident is making a very real and significant observational inference. It seems more than just likely that this ban on bonfires will result in a diminishing of tourism, summer residency, and (ultimately) cash flow for our local businesses. Now it’s not your disagreement which motivates my current post, but rather that you disregarded the former posting without support and frankly with an air of rank sarcasm. Such a combination of elements, in the face of such a base conclusion as BR’s, can only be characterized as…what’s the word you’re fond of...‘ignorance.’
Reprimandations aside, it seems logical that the Bayville businesses community will suffer due to this ban; as for the aforementioned reasons above and also because it starts to cultivate a local culture of rigidity within the law and over-protectivity by it; thus alienating the general vacationer who seeks cultures of fun, exoticism, and relaxation. Do I believe that the Beverage will sell more this year, probably but I’m more concerned with in 5 years and beyond; when the majority of our Brookvillian barrier is all but depleted and encroaching urbanization, over-development, and debeautifaction of the middle island creeps into Bayville. Combined with the previously mentioned “wet-blanket” culture Bayville’s tourism will be slowly suffocated and ultimately will fall into ruin. Now the increased development will increase population in the area for but our folksy, little bay-side village will be forever changed into something a lot less cute.
It’s a grim picture but it is only one possibility. I don’t mean to ramble however the interesting aspect of inductive reasoning is that it becomes harder to predict the future the further you get from the present. My only goal is reiterate a point I believe worthy of another consideration. So sit back relax, and think for a minute; what do you think about all this.
Lisa if you’re angry or desire a jab at me, you should know your rebuttal will fall on deaf ears. I don’t frequent this blog.
Enjoy : )
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Agreed Jen, better to error on the side of safety. And I'd like to see fire reintroduced eventually.
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Well, I won't address this to James since he "doesn't frequent this blog" {snicker, snicker} and I'm hardly angry, he is free to express his opinion as much as anyone else. But I find the entire "Bayville will go bankrupt and turn into Hicksville because we can't have bonfires" argument inane and ridiculous.
Does anyone honestly believe that people who booked flights or traveled to be with friends and family on the 4th are not going to do so because there won't be bonfires? Seriously dude, what "businesses" are going to be hurting? The Amusement Park? Don't think so. IGA? Hardly. The delis? Nah. Oh wait, I know, the 30 nail salons? No, they're probably CLOSED for the holiday. So tell me, what businesses are going to suffer? The TIDES? Ewww, who would stay there anyway?
Oh wait. I know. The individuals who charge for people to come to parties on private beaches with bonfires? That's the only "business" I can think of that will lose money.
By the time Reinhardts closed it was a DUMP. Its pina coladas were weak and the bathrooms were dirty. We have a beautiful Soundside beach in its place. And I should commiserate with Bayville Resident because Reinhardts is gone? Sorry, don't think so. Yeah, I had some good times there. And then I grew up.
Yet in the next breath, Mr. ONeal hallucinates about some kind of "Brookvillian" encroachment on Bayville? Excuse me? Unless a bunch of idiots get together and try and dis-incorporate the Villages, that ain't happening. I try and deal with reality, not delusional fear-mongering.
Yes, let's celebrate what made this country great - the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, our independence from oppressors and appreciate our blessings. Thank a soldier, thank his/her family, and God Bless America.
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Lisa, you ended your last posting with the words, "the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, and our independence from oppressors", Mayor Siegel has suppressed this village. Freedom is not taking away want is important to us, the majority of resident who attended the last board meeting were in favor of Bonfires not against. Do you know what the word Liberty means, "freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control", we have no liberty in Bayville, its a complete dictatorship, its Robin Rules, Kangaroo club at village hall. The mayor's main responsility is to speak for the all resident, not just a select few, do I believe that village merchants are going to be effected by the bane "NO" do I care the mayor did not listen to the residents "YES", are the beaches private, yes, then the mayor should have no say over the beaches, if the beaches need repairs or cleaning does the village care "NO" so why now. Mayor Siegel only listens to a select few, she listens to the old people, the ones that have nothing better to do but sit home and call the village and complain. I guess all we could do for now is go out and buy a shit load of illegal fireworks and blow them off. BTW Lisa, soundside beach was not where Reinharts was, its where Creasent Beach Club is, soundside Beach use to be "Pumps", and yes I'm a lifer.
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Patrick,
Mayor Siegel has "suppressed" nothing. Association Presidents complained, a lawsuit was filed against the Village, and it is her fiduciary duty as Mayor of the Village to conduct hearings, abide by Robert's Rules of Order AND comply with County, State and Federal laws. Did the residents who supported the continuation of the bonfires have the opportunity to be heard? Absolutely. In fact, I believe two Trustees voted nay. So stop with your incendiary rhetoric and accusations, you sound like an idiot.
I stand corrected on the location of Soundside Beach. I can barely remember Pumps Park, wasn't that just a rundown boat station? That still doesn't make Reinhardt's any less of a dump. In fact it makes Bayville Resident's point even more ridiculous, as the Crescent Club is certainly a far more elegant and sophisticated addition to Bayville real estate than Reinhardts ever was.
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Thank you Lifer for setting Miss Lisa straight as to where Reinhardts was, obviously she is not a lifer.... As to my recent comment, I agree with you. Mayor Seigel she had her mind made up before there was a vote, she won, 2 of the trustee's live on the President streets and what a surprise they happen to be the streets that the police always end up on the 4th because of the parties on those blocks, so before the mayor leaves office she wanted to make them happy. That is the bottom line. We really had no say in the matter at all it was a done deal. And Lisa I'm sorry you didn't like Reinhardt's. Your not from around here and don't have the same memories of Bayvillians about the 4th of July, you didn't grow up with this tradition so it's not a loss to you at all. Do you see the traffic in Bayville on the 4th?? People come from all over to visit and see, they get hungry and where do they go, the deli's, the beverage, the restaurants what a stupid statement saying they won't suffer. Now talk about being naive Lisa come on admit that fact that your precious Mayor Seigel has made a terrible mistake. I don't know where you get your information from Lisa but I don't know anyone that charges to come to a party, that's just tacky!!!
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Lisa - Go to the Bayville Museum and learn about the town you live in before you make any more embarrassing statements about the history of this town. Pumps park was not a DUMP neither was Reinhardt's and for your information, Pumps park was a place where people would come for picnic's, boat rental's and to have a good time, many people that went there decided they wanted to live in Bayville for it's charm away from the city. This is a BEACH town, a small quaint, simple town, that's why we like it, not big and overdone. Don't make nasty comments about the memories that us Bayvillians have before this town was taken over from others.....
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Crecent Club is a disaster. With that bright light ruining the beach at night. Totally out of proportion to the rest of the beach. I know many people who love Bayville for its small town feel. And they love the bonfires, it takes them back to good ol' times. It makes the town that much more charming. The bonfires are not the only thing that is being banned. There will be no fires on the beach at all. No fireside stories to kids while they watch the waves. No marshmellows roasting on a stick. No clam bake, luaos (sp?). They tried to ban the floating docks now fires, next bike riding......
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Allowing 50,000 drunks to come to our village to literally crap, piss, and puke all over the place .all so the next day you can step on a nail while wading through ten feet of charcoal to try and go swimming. Who wouldn't be in favor of that ??
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Well KM instead of "wading threw 10 feet of charcoal" why don't you help clean it up like everyone else does after the 4th of July?????? If this was voted in a real vote it would have passed because the people that live on those blocks usually clean it up the next day, so it just goes to show that your proably one of the few that sit in their homes and watch everyone else clean up. So here's a solution for you, sit at home all night DO NOT GO TO THE BEACH and watch the bonfires or the fireworks DO not have company over to enjoy any of the fun stay in you yard, then you won't have to clean up cause you don't want to anyway, Then you can sit and complain for the rest of your life about it, but if you participate in it then you can't complain. O.K. KM Feel better?????
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And yes Peter, the Cresent Club is a diaster.
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WOW br i guess i struck a nerve, don't assume you know what i do . you don't . i'm just stating a couple of irrefutable facts. which i admit you you didn't try to do. you just tried that old tried and true LEFTY technique PERSONAL ATTACKS .forgettaboutit.
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KM,
Maybe now associations won't have to hire armed guards to keep out all of the pukers and pissers who came ONLY for the bonfires.
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Lisa, what you fogotabout the crappers? they're the worst!!
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Does this new ridiculous bonfire law effect open fires on our own property. I have a large, open pit in my backyard, does my neighbor have the right to cal the village or police to complain, and what is the fine. Can anyone help with this question. Tradition is important, by outlawing sort a great tradition is a disgrace. Lisa your a fool and a wind bag, Pumps was the place, people traveled from NYC every weekend to sit at pumps and enjoy the beach, because of Pumps, bayville is as nice and popular as it is. My grandparents use to come to Pumps every weekend set up camp and stay there all day. Plus the original owner of Pumps grandchildren still live in bayville.
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http://bayvilleny.gov/media/mc-pr-media.php?Variables[Action]=ShowEvent&Variables[AC]=PR&Variables[MediaID]=1102
If your fire pit uses gas or charcoal it is okay. If it uses wood watch out you could be in trouble. Also if here is no grill on it it may be in violation also. Above is link to the wording of the new law.
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Gee, I really wish SOME Bayville "lifers" (as in, should be committed to the penitentiary for life) would learn the difference between "your" and "you're". It's very annoying. When you are typing, think to yourselves, could this sentence mean the same thing if I wrote "you are"? If it could, then use "you're". That's what the apostrophe is for.
Btw, I grew up far, far away, in a land called Oyster Bay. My husband and I moved here in 1977. The 70's are over, but they're coming back again thanks to our new President who is even further left and more economically challenged than Carter.
For those of you are truly concerned about your real estate values, I recommend calling our Senators and urging them to vote No on the Cap and Trade Bill. The bill includes granting authority to the government to inspect your houses prior to a sale for "energy efficiency". If .gov finds you non-compliant, you will have to make the necessary "retrofitting" in order to close the sale.
Hello 1984.
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Patrick,
The owners of Pump's Park SOLD the property to the Village. It wasn't taken by Eminent Domain, (though I seriously doubt you have a clue what that is). Nobody strong-armed them to sell.
There USED to be cute little summer cottages down by Centre Island beach, too. Are you going to complain about that? Things CHANGE. I thought everybody wanted CHANGE. Well, you've got it. Be happy.
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I moved to bayville in 2000 and the 4th of july is the most amazing festivities i have ever experienced!!! Just because a few old people are tired of the festivities that they enjoyed themselves is hypocritical. we should issue permits and moniter the fires. Lets not loose the tradition that i was introduced to that is so AMAZING!!!!!!!!
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I think a permit is a great idea! That way there would be accountability if things got out of control as they did last year. The fires should also be monitiored in order that everyone is safe.
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Jen,
I thought a permit was a great idea too. But according to the Mayor, if the Village were to grant permits, it could be held liable for knowingly violating County law which would, in effect, void the permits and leave the Village open to new litigation.
Clearly this whole thing is a CYA move, but considering the litigious nature of "some" Village residents, I for one, can't blame the Village. Perhaps if people have small, controlled "campfires" on the beach and don't act like complete a-holes, nothing will happen. Then again, if it means soooo much to some people, defy the law and be willing to pay the fine if cited.
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IT IS OBAMAS FAULT
IMPEACH OBAMA
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Anonymous,
But, but, look on the bright side....Al Franken is a U.S. Senator! Now Congress is filibusterproof! Such brains, such integrity. A big thank you to ACORN, yeahhh! Talk about not having a "real vote". Everything The One wants will be granted! Why do we even need Congress at all anymore? Don't we have 20+ Czars to run everything? Democratic Congresscritters adding 300+ pages to a bill at 3:00 AM and never reading it! Taxation without representation! Our children and grandchildren will be paying for American stupidity for years to come. And people in this Village can only complain about bonfires? Good grief! The more I think about it, the more I feel this 4th of July, there should be no fireworks or bonfires. Liberty is dead in the U.S. Our 3 branches of government are no longer a balance of power. NOTHING Obama has done since Jan. 20th constitutes a "bipartisan" effort. His entire campaign was nothing but lies and rhetoric. So for all you Liberals who may be a wee bit disappointed in the "Commander in Chief" - too freakin bad. We warned you. Without your consent or even discussion of any sort, you have all now become part owners of GM and Citigroup. And you complain about some stupid bonfires? Dare to build the fires - go ahead - but do so in the name of Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Do so in the name of our Founding Fathers. MLK was willing to go to jail for what he believed was right. Show some guts and put your money where your mouths are.
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Lisa I see you went to the Bayville Museum and learned somethings about Bayville, And KM what hole did you crawl out of???
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Lisa, FYI the Associations did not hire
"ARMED GUARDS" are you really that stupid?? Where do you think we are??? The guards are hired and given a list of all the names of guests invited to homeowners home on the 4th, if they are on the list they get in, they don't get shot Lisa.
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This is an open apology to people that were referred to in my posting regarding the 4th of July. We are all neighbors here and no one wants to offend anyone, especially people that are good individuals. When events occur and people get to talking and stories are thrown around in a group, inevitably they get distorted, exaggerated, confused, and inconsistent. Residents of SeaWall lane were mentioned based on hearsay stories from other individuals. And thats all they were - hearsay stories of events years ago. I should not have posted the comments here on this blog when they were not based on fact. That is why I am issuing this apology. And that is also why I requested that the post I had made be deleted.
I urge all people to use this and any other blog with care. Bayville is a great town and we should all work together for the greater good.
Lets all enjoy the 4th, be respectful of each other, and move on.
Sincerely,
Paul T.
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Bayville History 101 the current site of the soundside beach used to a small pond-like body of water on it until a young child drowned in it. It was subsequently filled in with all sorts of stuff mainly old vehicles and even some surplus WWI submarines. so Lisa was right when she called the place a dump.To you BR leave my hole alone it's nice in here!! hahaha
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Bayville Resident,
I lived for 13 years on the East End of Bayville. We hired an armed guard. Good thing you and your puking and pissing buddies didn't attempt to park there. So shut your big hole.
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Paul T -
"we should all work together for the greater good" ~Paul T
"History calls those men the greatest who have ennobled themselves by working for the common good" ~Karl Marx
Sorry. I'm not a commie. We should all work together to restore the freedoms our Founding Fathers established and millions of our soldiers have died defending. Individual liberties, taking responsibility for individual actions and 'do unto others as you would have others do unto you' should be the order of the day, NOT the New World Order.
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KM,
My favorite 3 words, "Lisa was right".
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Lisa,
I do not believe that you hired Armed Guards, maybe regular security guards but armed? Did you actual see the "arms" yourself?? I find it very hard to believe. I saw with my own eyes the security guards they NEVER had weapons. Maybe where you lived they needed them?????? I don't know just saying.......... You also ever notice that when you are wrong you seem to get nasty???? Why is that? Now come on you can say it "Sorry I made a mistake" come on Lisa you can do it.
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hello everyone
First of all
1.If everyone here, ie those doing the name calling ect if your going to get personal? ..post your name ...unless you are just making an observation to a comment. there that being said.. no need to get personal
2. the issues here are Newyork state law regarding open fires and fireworks ok that closes that issue they are and have been on the books 2. yes certain people and house parties you all know who they are... brought it to the table. when they took no personal responsibility at overseeing house parties and the bonfires . and such..the association's did not say anything when the bonfires "ARE" 30 some ft high.. I have bonfires and i enjoy bayville on the 4th like everyone else. The village is following and enforcing the law issued by the state.. Nassau county police and fire marshals will enforce it.. what did you expect the village to do when faced with threats of lawsuits and other problems ......
i have been to the meetings and i have spoken with Mayor Siegal on these issues
soooo that being said
i will see you all on the beach
safe and happy 4th to all
ps
WE are all residents?
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Bayville Resident,
So now I'm not only stupid but a liar? Come say it to my face, you sniveling weasel. I'm at the Green Market every Saturday morning, 8:30-12:30. Mayor Siegel told me she'd be happy to meet you there as well, if you like. I dare you. In fact, I double-dog dare you.
Yes, we hired an armed security guard. We paid extra. Back in the 80's, some of the numbered streets were very transient areas and we had a lot of trouble with one particular crack dealer and vandalism. The 4th was particularly bad because these renters would try and bring all of their dirtbag friends into the neighborhood. Yes, that's right, here in lovely little Bayville. It was back then that neighborhood watches were established. We got some the worst offender evicted and the neighborhood cleaned up nicely.
So keep drinking your Kool Aid and living in your own private phantasy of what Bayville was and should be. See you Saturday?
Happy 4th of July!
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From the 1st Amendment to the Unites States Constitution:
ANONYMOUS SPEECH
In Talley v. California, 362 U.S. 60 (1960), the Court struck down a Los Angeles city ordinance that made it a crime to distribute anonymous pamphlets.
From Groklaw.net:
The First Amendment Right to Anonymous Speech - DE Ruling as Text
Saturday, October 15 2005 @ 11:40 PM EDT
There's an interesting First Amendment decision [PDF] out of Delaware Supreme Court, which is being noticed by the press and by lawyers, John Doe No. 1 v. Cahill. At issue was anonymous speech on the Internet. A politician wanted to "out" four critics who, he claimed, had defamed him. One of them fought back. The ruling explains the setting:
The defendant-appellant, John Doe No.1, anonymously posted allegedly defamatory statements about the plaintiff-appellee, Cahill, on an internet blog. Cahill brought a defamation action. Seeking to serve process on Doe, Cahill sought to compel the disclosure of his identity from a third party that had the information. A Superior Court judge applied a good faith standard to test the plaintiff’s complaint and ordered the third party to disclose Doe’s identity. Doe appeals from the Superior Court’s order. Because the trial judge applied a standard insufficiently protective of Doe’s First Amendment right to speak anonymously, we reverse that judgment.
****As you can see, the ruling speaks of a First Amendment *right* to speak anonymously.****
So, for all of you who post their REAL names on this blog...know this: it's OK to post anonymously on blogs and message boards in this country. Spare me the "yeah, but you have no ba##s" and "you're a coward" comments. I've heard it before and it always goes in one ear and out the other. So while I'll leave no comment on the bonfire decision (mostly because I don't care), what I WILL say is this: While all of you are enjoying the 4th this Saturday and when you look up into the night sky over the beach to view the fireworks, remember my post and remember that it is my RIGHT to post behind a moniker. While you do that, I'll be thinking of all of the soldiers who made the ultimate sacrifice for this beautiful country we're able to enjoy living in because of them.
God Bless America, and have a safe and happy 4th of July.
Your friend,
Patriot
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Patriot,
That is an interesting case. However:
http://www.internetlibrary.com/cases/lib_case405.cfm
"Reversing the Court below, the Delaware Supreme Court holds that to obtain the identity of an anonymous online speaker for the purpose of pursuing a defamation action, the defamed party must first submit to the Court evidence of their validity of such a claim sufficient to survive a summary judgment motion. Requiring a plaintiff to submit evidence sufficient to establish the existence of a prima facie case strikes a more appropriate balance between the competing interests of free speech and an individual’s right to protect his reputation, than the “good faith” standard applied by the Trial Court. Under that rejected standard, the plaintiff need only show he had a good faith basis for asserting his claim to obtain the anonymous speaker’s identity.
To obtain such disclosure, the Delaware Supreme Court held that the plaintiff must also undertake reasonable predisclosure efforts to notify the anonymous speaker that his identity is being sought. In the Internet context, this will require a posting on the message board or chat room in which the purportedly defamatory statements were made."
Soooo.....
just because Cahill didn't prove a defamation in his case, doesn't mean there isn't a legal venue to pursue a suit if indeed, anonymous internet postings can be shown to have harmed someone's reputation.
Cheers!
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Good try, my dear Patriot, although I confess that reading the full transcript at Groklaw.net of the ruling you cite fair sent me to sleep.
Of course you have every right to post anonymously. I respectfully request to retain the opinion, however, that no-one will take your views very seriously on that basis. Anyone can call themselves "Patriot" on this blog, for instance. How do we know that you are the same wacko who has posted previously? Or perhaps, a nice guy who does, after all, have respect for all humanity? Or could you be one of the various "Anonymous" posters, hijacking the real "Patriot"'s online identity (if one can even call it such)? All rather confusing, really, isn't it?
If it means nothing to be counted, then fair enough, your choice. But as someone who is not afraid to state his views in public, and stand by them when challenged, I'll make my choice too, thanks.
Tell me something, though... when someone says "you're a coward" and it "goes in one ear and out the other", does it even slow down in the middle or just echo a little?
Mark
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Good point. But you are smart enough to know that the odds of LOSING a case in the eyes of the 1st Amendment Freedom of Speech are slim to none, whether you hurt someone's reputation or not.
If a case like that went to the United States Supreme Court...it would be a real laugher. Happy 4th Lisa.
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Mark,
Show me a court case ruling that keeps you from falling asleep besides maybe Roe vs. Wade and I'll show you a 2 headed donkey.
Growing up in Brooklyn, I can tell you that I have been called a lot worse than "coward", so no, it doesn't slow down in the middle.
And yes, I can assure you that I am the "real" Patriot.
Happy 4th Mark.
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Oh dear Lisa, you started this by calling me a name and being your usual nasty self, then when I responded you had to go crying to the mayor. You can be so immature now when I show at the market are you and the mayor gonna beat me up? Lisa we have different views on this bonfire issue. But you don't have to be so nasty and rude when people don't agree with you and the Mayor.
Bayville Resident
And not all people that respond on this blog live in Bayville.
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Happy 4th to you too, Patriot. And to everyone else, for that matter.
I bring you... sunshine! Bet you didn't know I could do that.
Mark
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Bayville Resident,
"And not all people that respond on this blog live in Bayville." ~Bayville Resident
Talk about an oxymoron - or should I just reduce that to moron? I wasn't addressing ALL of the sniveling weasels in this forum, just you. If you want to anonymously misrepresent yourself as a resident of Bayville, there's certainly nothing I can do about it. (unless you continue to defame me, in which case, thanks to Patriot, I am now aware of the proper legal procedure to follow)
Nowhere did I threaten to beat you up. I dared you to grow a set and come say your insults to my face and the Mayor's face. You are the one translating that to mean violence. Nowhere did I threaten violence.
If you don't want to be treated rudely, don't act rudely to me first. People like you are so busy hating anyone who dares to have an opinion different from your own myopic perspective, that you fail to realize how very offensive you are to others.
But you have a nice 4th of July.
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Lisa, It is quite sad that you can't tell the difference between a funny line and a serious one. I know your not going to beat me up and I am not defaming you, you are the one calling me names and I laugh at it all, take a chill pill and try laughing some time this really is to funny to me that you get all worked up. Go back and read your statements to me and look how many times you called me names I never called you a name once Lisa, and the stupid comment was not meant to be mean, it was a statement, your being mean Lisa and that's not called for. You called me a "Moron" "Liar" and a "Sniveling Weasel" never did I call you a name. So in ending this conversation Lisa your just a big mean CYBERBULLY and not very nice at all, feel better now? Your only nice when the conversation is going your way otherwise you resort to mean name calling. Grow up.
And I still hold my ground on the Bonfires that's what this was all about.
Bayville Resident
And FYI - I know people that live out of state that read the Blog(and there not residents)so don't insult my intelligence.
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As I stated earlier in the month, I am not a "lifer" however I have lived in Bayville off and on in my life and being an Army brat it was always the one place I really called home. To be honest as I read this blog I find myself embarrased to say that now. As my Aunt Sharon stated earlier, we need to stop the middle school name calling and actually speak on the issue. The issue in case everyone has forgeooten is how we can keep our tradition of bonfires on the beach. If you have questions on MY point of view or perspective, refer to my earlier entry. Thank you
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BR,
I see you still haven't learned the difference between "your" and "you're". *sigh*
You also seem incapable of comprehending what you write. You think that you are absolved of "name-calling" simply because you don't reduce your drawn out sarcastic, condescending insults to one or two words. In order to assist you with semantics, I will now translate for you how your postings are received:
-"Thank you Lifer for setting Miss Lisa straight" (bullying)
-"what a stupid statement" (insulting)
-"talk about being naive Lisa" (name-calling-naive)
-Lisa - "Go to the Bayville Museum and learn about the town you live in before you make -any more embarrassing statements about the history of this town." (condescending, failure to acknowledge stated correction on location)
-"Now come on you can say it "Sorry I made a mistake" come on Lisa you can do it."(just plain obnoxious)
-"I do not believe that you hired Armed Guards" (accusation of lying)
-"Maybe where you lived they needed them?????? I don't know just saying.......... You also -ever notice that when you are wrong you seem to get nasty????" (accusation, name-calling nasty)
-"You can be so immature now when I show at the market are you and the mayor gonna beat me up?(name-calling immature, alleging threats of violence)
-"But you don't have to be so nasty and rude" (name-calling)
-"And FYI - I know people that live out of state that read the Blog(and there not residents)so don't insult my intelligence."
That would be "they're", not "there". No need to insult your intelligence. You demonstrate quite nicely what your IQ is all by yourself.
Cheers!
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Really??? Does this have to continue like this? It is getting a little ridiculous at this point. Why don't you take it somewhere elso so the rest of us can atually discuss the bonfires?
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ok since its now gone in a different direction on this blog
does anyone have any issues regarding having signs in the village on the corner in the main intersection.when the bridge work is being done or is everyone ok with sitting in traffic right up the bridge.....
me personally i would like to know before i make the turn then i won't sit there before we get everyone to backup so we turn around i don't know just thought i would put this out there
any thought's
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Sharon,
Great suggestion! Just as long as we don't have to look at a sign stating it is being funded by the ARRA!
http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/HighwayOps/Traffic/miscellaneous/Pages/ARRAsigning.aspx
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Sharon, besides reading this website, check the Bayville Village website. It had the closing posted there for 2 weeks. Also sign up for the "Bayville happenings" email, and you would have been informed of this.
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Nelson,
Really?? Am I stopping you from typing your opinion on the bonfires? I don't think so. Please, share with us your deep thoughts.
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"Signs" sounds like Robert Gibbs lecturing the Press to e-mail their questions.
I think it is an excellent suggestion, Sharon. I had to turn around the other day and go all the way around and was late for an appointment.
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ok since its now gone in a different direction on this blog
does anyone have any issues regarding having signs in the village on the corner in the main intersection.when the bridge work is being done or is everyone ok with sitting in traffic right up the bridge.....
me personally i would like to know before i make the turn then i won't sit there before we get everyone to backup so we turn around i don't know just thought i would put this out there
any thought's
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i know what you mean i was 1/2 hr late for work
but you see now i'm up to date with the villages comings and goings and closures because i signed up for the village website to get emails .....on these things but that was after i made a call to village and that poor man at the county office of highways ..to him i'm truley sorry as it was a "report late to work issue" and as AA frowns on tardiness
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Not sure if there was enough time to have signs made. Nassau County gave them short notice. It was called a emergency repair. Otherwise, yes Sharon, great suggestion. Lecturing? No, just letting you know of another way of finding Village related info. Happy 4th !
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i'm am truly grateful
i had know idea
so this is helpful i just hope the Nassau county highway man is as gracious when he thinks of me loll
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i think it is digusting that we never know any work on the bridge,,what is that phone chain about..hate this stuff about bayville,,,if i had company they wiuld be on the show LOST..lost in bayville,,,
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Ive been living here for 4 yrs now, this idiot painter that lives in the last house at the end of warren in that dead end corner on the right is the guy that was charging people to come to his parties,his house is where the girl got hurt,& he's the idiot thats been setting off mortars during the past few summers at midnight,1am,2am during the week,sunday nights,or whenever he feels like being a jerk and the rest of us are trying to sleep...a friend of mine.a lifelong bayville resident, went to the house to explain he has 2 kids under 5 yrs old that he keeps scaring the hell out of, and the idiot threatened him with physical violence, obviously a real tough guy (sarcastic)i, as many of my friends have put in a ridiculous amount of phone calls to 911 reporting him in the past,i never felt it was right to confront him personally and resort to his caveman mentality.maybe it helped a little because its been quiet this year so far,maybe not,we'll see.the funny thing is everyone that knows this guy thinks he's a jerk,they discuss him at the bars,& at resturants in town.i'm just amazed nobody has thrown a brick threw his window. the next time my friend has to go over there,i will be next to him and the end result will not be the same,i can assure you of that.hopefully he will be starightened out by the town or police before it has to come to that.
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its my understanding
well i guess
its a amazing what a few lawsuits do ??
i guess it has to hit someones pockets
it is also not the first time someone has been hurt on "that part of the beach"
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So what happened? Half the town arrested, or are we all still here? Anybody light up?
I'm in trouble personally: my three year old sat on Ransom to watch the Friday fireworks (his first proper show) and was so overawed he now wants to go down there every night to watch them. Same as after his first "solo" Halloween door-knocking (his sister and her friends run too fast) he was so impressed that you can collect candy from every house in the street that he is always pressing to do that every night too.
Mark
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That is very cute! Even though it was weird without the fires, there was a nice serenity to the beach last night. I think I was able to enjoy the fireworks more because there wasn't anything to "steal their thunder."
Who knows, maybe someday the bonfires can be reintroduced in a safer manner. Hope everyone had a nice fourth!
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Its amazing what people write about you and then hide behind an anonomys name.I have nothing to hide, I do a family re-union every year for the past 8 years. they come from Italy, Argentina and many parts of the United States. My ants, uncles and cousins with there children. We do a pig roast and have tub rides and kyaks for the kids. We also have a tiki bar that serves pina coladas and daiquiris. Yes we had a jet ski accident(very minor)my cousin brused her knee. I supply a valley parking service that people tip for, (not profiting) Again its AMAZING how people twist the truth. and about the morters, yes on the forth we do them. I own a club and im never home on fridays and saturday nights. But I have been acused of every morter being set off on the beach. there are other people who are involved with fireworks. Also I have never been given a ticket for any firewoks at all. The person that came to my house was very disrespectful and emedietly acused me of every morter being set off insted of asking if i was involved. From my understanding fireworks have been a part of bayville long before I moved here. So lets be real. If anybody wants to come and talk to me, your welcome to do so. By the way im the last house on east shore on the left, and I dont hide behind words, like other people do. So your welcome to come to see me and discuss this instead of throwing a brick thru my window. So stop hiding and come and discuss your differences like normal people do! unless your the one that has this caveman mentality
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Haha you go Rob. It is funny what people can say on the computer but not to your face. I live here a little less then you and look at the hell I go through I mind my buisiness. And don't do anything wrong to anyone but everyones runs to the neighbors to talk crap and call me a renter and etc and bash my family in the beginning I had warnings from the town coming left and right it's illegal for me to live here and other stupid things till I had it and went down there and proved everything.So now they look like asses when they call on us.I have older women yelling at me all the time cause of parking on my lawn and it's not illegal and it's only a few times a year but when we used to allow them to use our lawn once in a while it was ok until they lost a sale for the house by complaining to the town that the guy was gonna build another house on the lot. We told em no more parking why do favors for fake people. They were just using my grandfather when he was alive and us.Well for their information my mom and Uncle own the place and I'm never leaving it is being given to me so get used to my face. I would think they be happy to have me here instead of nosey people that spread everyones buisiness which is almost the whole block well I guess they would fit in then. I swear this block sometimes is like a low budget drama movie nothing but drama here might as well change the name to dramaville. Well all I have left to say is in my 31 years of life I've never had such nasty jealous neighbors in my life. If your so miserable you have no parking move. Or maybe you should of bought this house when it was for sale. Well now you'll just have to deal with what you see better yet mind your buisiness. You'll live maybe a little longer without stressing the fact that we have what you don't. As for the few neighbors I like over here and the people on the other blocks that are so different and nice keep it up why live life a miserable f%#k.
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My family has been in Bayville for 70 years. We too have enjoyed the annual Fourth of July traditions for many years; the enjoyment of inviting our family and friends to a holiday at the beach, the fireworks, the bonfires etc. Life used to be so simple here. So many things have changed. The same lazy pretentious people who have replaced our simple ‘end of the block chains’ with security guards because they’re too lazy to get of the car, our pretty ‘neighborly events of left over flat plantings’ at the ends of the sound blocks with superfluous ‘block association- sponsored” landscaping arrangements, are a year or so away from replacing our Fourth of July traditions with an evening inside watching the Macy’s fireworks on TV.
This is not at all an issue of Bonfires in so much as it is an issue of destroying the purity of tradition, the sanctity of our community and worst of all, setting a very dangerous precedence in our local government.
The first step in mitigating this situation is to stop ‘blogging’ about people who live just doors away from where you rest your head. I used to think that the worst insult a neighbor could pay you was to write you a note instead of addressing you directly…now I’ve read the content between neighbors contained within this “Bayville Blog” and I’m certain that we’ve reached a new low in this generation’s lack of personal interaction.
Secondly, if you think your neighbor is ‘an idiot,’ get up off your ass and tell him so. (You might find that he’s really a nice person) Don’t ‘blog’ it! I mean, this is Bayville for Gods sake, you can borrow soap from your neighbor when you’re in the shower! And, yes, we live close, and when WE have parties we often inconvenience those around us…but we do it to them…and they do it to us…and it’s all about living amongst each other is this perfect place. I live on Mr. Montagnese’s block, and I have been fortunate enough to have made his kind acquaintance; perhaps Krystian should do that before passing judgment. I happen to know for a fact that he has not been responsible for the late night disturbances in the Warren-Shore area – because I don’t ‘blog’ with my neighbors, I talk to them.
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As for the bonfires, there should be allowances for such behavior within the confines of the law. This is a tradition; it’s been going on for at least 90 years. Before this topic went haywire on the Blog, there was a suggestion made to loosely regulate the behavior with decent, reasonable consequences. I would be in favor of such a thing, because we live in a litigating society, and we can’t ignore that. But any change to the bonfire rules in Bayville should be done properly and within the confines of the law, whatever that is.
After all, July 4th is the day in which we celebrate our freedom…
…banning bonfires in Bayville because of politics, angry mobs and money without the participation of the citizens…that’s not freedom
…me (at age 10) helping to carry a plaid sofa with all my cousins to the July 4th, 1982 bonfire on Bayman’s beach … that’s freedom.
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Bravo Irene!!! As a guest of a lifer this past weekend, I had an amazing time on the fourth of July. I was also lucky enough to be a guest at Mr. Montagnese's house, his party was very well planned, very classy, and was enjoyed by everyone who was there. I think the negative bloggers are jealous that they weren't invited!!! maybe next year...NOT!!
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The reasoning for lack of communication is these people are tough on the computer tough when talking to other people. And deep down inside they know their wrong and theres nothing they can do about it cause nothings illegal just people having an annual family party. Notice the people complaining don't have space for an hangout or parking. And I may add reasoning for a note is when you knock on the door and get no answer eventually you might have to leave a note. How else would you resolve the problem. Otherwise I would of addressed face to face I have no prob with that. Also I had no idea what the people looked like cause they never properly introduced them selves to myself or the homeowner. That's where things got out of control.Besides that this site is for the birds. I'm done with it got a problem you know where I live Rob lives and whoever else. I myself have a life and i'm not gonna let the bayville blog take over it. Why can't everyone just worry bout themselves and their family. Be happy with what ya got. Stop stressing over other peoples lifes.
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Ok Ok Liz...I deserved that. That was not meant as a cheap shot at you. (I actually wrote it offline before you commented...I hadnt read your mail before) I stopped that day to tell you how I felt personally and to make ammends, as neighbors. I still feel the same way. Have a nice day
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Besides that I enjoy living here. The house I live in been in my family for 80 plus years. My grandfather and stepgrandma use to tell me stories of the 4th of july's here.They enjoyed themselves that was their fav holiday my great grandfather past on the 4th of july so it became a tradition for his honor. And now everyone wants to ruin it due to they don't want one person to have their party it's only once a year be happy it's not every weekend. I would understand if things were getting damaged fights breaking out etc. But it's just people having there closest friends and family over for a celebration. And as for the bonfires I feel bad for the little girl that got hurt but the parents should keep kids as far away as possible from the bonfires and fireworks you never know when something can go wrong. My son watched the works from up against the houses. I think the tradition should go on. Just take sarety precautions.
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Ok Irene ditto! I'm willing to make ammends to.
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The bayville blog administartors need to start a new thread, does bayville consolidate its goverment, and combine with locale villages and towns. Does anyone have opinion on this topic.
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Nassau County law - no fires on the beach - end of story.
It was much calmer on the beach without the giant fires fueled by drunks - they just didnt show up.
And looking back to burning sofa's in 1982 - all I can say is I am glad the laws are now enforced - have you ever stood next to burning trash - it can be toxic.
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Was it my imagination or was it a much calmer holiday? Amazing how fire gets people worked up. Finally the law, which applies to all, is being enforced.
And I can say I am glad the laws now prevent some wingnut from burning up their sofa on the beach.
The beach was much cleaner this year and that benefits every one - not just those outsiders who come to party in bayville on the holiday.
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wow did i just witness a reconciliation on the bayville blog by liz and irene? i think i'm gonna cry. what's next is mr. montagnese gonna invite everyone over to roast marshmellows and sing coom-bi-ya .attention peyton place residents (i mean warren ave)call the village hall immediately and have your water checked.hahaha
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your a jerk! KM
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KM,
Kumbaya is a depressing song. I think a rousing round of the 1812 Overture is more in order!
And Mr. Trama, no offense, but that's a dumb idea. Why would anyone want to dis-incorporate Bayville?
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being humored,
That would be "you're" a jerk!
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why would I be the jerk? Why do people insist on going on here and criticizing other neighbors. So what if they made up and if that guy made up to. Would you rather have war between the neighbors I agree with Liz you people like to start drama. Get a grip already.
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To all of the anonymous grammatically challenged posters on the Bayville Blog -
When YOU are composing YOUR posts and the overwhelming desire to insult THEY, consumes YOU, please only use YOUR or THEIR when you are referring to THEIR property or something that belongs to THEM, (YOUR and THEIR are adjectives describing possession). If you are assigning a designation of a state of being, (ARE -v- present tense), then it should be "THEY'RE or "YOU'RE". Say it to yourself in your head before you type YOUR words of wisdom. Could you substitute "You are a jerk!" for "Your a jerk!" ? No, you can't. Please stop embarrassing me that I live in a Village with a large number of idiots.
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Sorry Lisa that the typing wasn't to YOUR standards. This is a blog doesn't have to be perfect not writing a book over here. I wouldn't be calling anyone an idiot when you don't know who the person is directly. I have a profession and what do you do for a living sit home on the computer all day. I'm not gonna ruin my vacation to read your crap all day. And you didn't answer my question you and km I guess rather have the war between neighbors I bet if we did a vote your one of the unliked. Have a great day. Feel free to write whatever you like after this you'll just be getting yourself worked up for nothing and that will humor me. Go to the beach sit in the sun have a drink. Act like a mature woman maybe you'll gain a friend.
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Lisa, I made a statement, I eirther approved or disapproved the idea, I was simply making a statement, You are quick to react, I wanted to see if any Byaville resident supported the idea of consolidating locale villages and towns. I specific opinion just interested in knowing. Lisa please stop attacking readers of the blog, if the idea is so stupid then please reflect. Thanks
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Who is this Lisa? From what I see in other comments she's not a very like person. Keep the good work up Lisa YOUR haha batting a thousand. Good luck to you all on this blog don't let it get the best of ya with Snobby you know who.
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Mr. Trama,
I didn't attack YOU, I said, "no offense, it's a dumb idea". You posed the question and my response was "Why would anyone want to dis-incorporate Bayville? Since you posed the original question, why don't you answer mine?
being humored,
WHO are YOU?
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the 1812 overture works for me. it's MR. JERK to you being humored. hahaha
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I am a Bayville lifer who has occasioned upon this blog and I am supremely embarrassed by the behavior of some of those who post here. This blog was started so that residents could come together over the local issues to debate and discuss. Instead its constant bickering and name calling. If I had never lived here and had to form my opinion based on the blog..well you know where I am going with this.
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just a quick question
is it legal for the streets on the
north side of bayville ave to hire
security to block public street access
on the fourth of july?
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this is pretty funny. that block on warren sounds like a mess! even funnier is mr montagnese coming on here and sounding like those girls from magic garden preaching "peace on earth" when 3 other people posted before me that he was the main problem concerning the situation about the fireworks.and there hasn't been 1 person out of the 20 or so people ive asked about him that have said anything nice about the guy,not 1. coincidence? i think not.and even funnier,as he himself stated,since his parties are mostly family members from around the world,i'm assuming he must be charging his family members to come to his house for bbq's, & they have to tip the valets.not very hospitable if you ask me.
like i said before, the reason i came on was because i was a little upset that he threatened a friend of mine to get off his property or else,when my friend went there as an adult to talk to him face to face just like mr montagnese has posted he would prefer.and as far as my friend being the aggressor, i highly doubt it and based on mr montagnese's reputation,i think we all know what the story is...thats it, i'm going to the beach.
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The streets are private roads. Most if not all have signs that say that they are for residents only. The beaches are also private property - deeded into the property to the mean high tide line. So simple answer - Yes residents can hire guards, and even without guards canask people to leave the property.
By the way the fourth was cold and windy. I could have used the warmth of the bonfire. That being said with the force and direction of the wind my block wouldn't have built one even if we could have. We have forgone them in the past when conditions were not right.
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ok so i live on 17th south of bayville
ave.i can legally ask you to not walk
or drive on my block?
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Curious,
Re: S. 17th St.
Or park, that's a yes on the 4th of July. You do have to make sure that any emergency vehicles are able to gain entry and egress without obstructions.
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If it is a private street you can. But it would be hard to identify everone as the block connects with several others. I know many use that block to avoid the light at Ludlum. In practice your association could put a chain across the road to prevent entry (and slow everyone else down also, but unless they parked on the block confronting them would be prejudicial. If it was a repeat offender you could notify the police.
By the way the potholes tend to limit most people from going down those streets.
Also are you the owner or a renter, a renter would not have any right unless those were conveyed in the lease.
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this private road thing can be confusing
because no one is actually deeded to the
center of the road even north of bayville ave. Thanks
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answer is owner and potholes are from
people avoiding the light.
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speaking of potholes and the overall condition of bayville roads, it amazes me that the most maintained and cleanest street is the road leading up to the mayors house, the mayor should be pressing the county to repair-repave bayville ave. it also amazes me how verzion and other utility companies can come in, tear up the street and just throw down asphalt, leaving bumps and craters. Please remember to report residents that have standing water in their yards to the County, they are reporting that the mosquito's this year will be worst then ever. Mosquitoes lay their eggs in standing water, this is a major health hazard overlooked by most. The county has the right to fine residents $250.
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I'll tell a quick story
a few years back Mr Viteretti built two
houses on 17th street between the trucks tearing up the road he also dug
a trench all the way down the road.he never repaired the road and when we approached Vicky Seigel she told us we had to repair the road since it was an old road anyway. She refused to tell Vitteretti to fix his mess.We had to repave the entire road which was fine before the contruction began.
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Curious,
If you have an association, there is a venue within Bayville Code to require a builder to post a "bond" prior to construction, which is held in escrow for the potential repair of the road when construction is complete, and before a CO can be issued.
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I love Bayville the way it is. I don't believe we or any of the other villages should be consolidated. Right now we do have some say in what happens to our Village. What happens if we become part of a much larger area with out the advantages and or problems that we have? Since I have lived here - 1976 - the roads are clear when it snows, the garbage is picked up on a regular basis, our beaches our clean and welcoming etc. I have seen other towns and we are by far superior.
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There are few if any private roads in Bayville. A private road has a deed and survey. A private road also does not receive any municipal services such as plowing or trash pickup. Most of the roads in Bayville are privately owned public thoroughfares. I think that legally they are referred to as "abandoned" roads.
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The Roads in Bayville are a BIG issue, please use the following link regarding road issues - http://bayvilleblog.com/2006/11/12/the-roads-of-bayville.aspx
I will also start a thread regarding NYS consolidation initiatives over the weekend. Thanks everyone!
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Actually my deed does define the "private way" from bayville Avenue to the high water mark of the sound and grans me easment to use the way and to have it maintained as a road. I (the property owner) have to maintain that way for the easment of others so situated. In practice I cede the maintenance to the association. We also close the road once a year to maintain the privacy and to not allow additional easment to our properties. When I was little the garbage was picked up from my backyard, dumped and the empty cans returned there - that did not make my property a private thouroughfare, anymore that allowing garbage and plowing does now.
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Thanks barry for starting that new thread.
Does anyone know the benefits or pitfalls of consolidating locale village or towns. Just losing control is not a reason. By consolidating the villages do we have to abide by news laws or can we continue to use bayville laws. Do the roads and streets in Bayville become public roads. Do you think our taxes would go up or down or stay the same and what evidence do you have.
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Hi Mike-
Please hold off from this discussion in this thread. As stated above I will create a thread shortly. If you'de like, I can include your content regarding this issue and use in the introduction. Please send to admin@bayvilleblog.com. Thx!
Jeff
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Losing Control is Not a Reason? Au Contrare!
Losing local control is probably THE most important reason not to seek the disincorporation of Bayville. I must say, the skeptic in me questions Mr. Trama's motives for forcing this highly controversial and divisive issue to the forefront. Is this the same Mr. Trama who unsuccessfully ran for Trustee last year? Could his reasons for highlighting this have anything to do with the recent ridiculous legislation passed in Albany (before its current state of chaos) which permits 10% of a Village's population to file a petition forcing a Special Election vote to dis-incorporate? The timing seems highly suspect.
As an Incorporated Village, we have a Building Code which can require more stringent building requirements and environmental protections than those offered by the TOB, County, State or Feds. Our Village Planning Board prevents builders from wrecklessly subdividing property into postage-stamp sized lots. Our Architectural Board makes sure new construction doesn't mar the overall appearance of the Village.
Dis-incorporate? Say goodbye to your Village beaches and your Village Marina. Say goodbye to the Bayville Library, Village Sanitation and Recycling. Say goodbye to the Green Market. Try getting the ear of Suozzi or Venditto the way you can contact our Mayor and Trustees if there is a problem in Bayville.
As a 30+ year resident, I don't want to say goodbye to those assets which make Bayville special. I will vow right here and now to fight tooth and nail, anyone who brings a dis-incorporation petition to a vote.
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Ooops! sorry about that, you must have been posting while I was composing. Will do!
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just a comment on the building codes
have you looked around lately we have a
three story house right on Bayville ave.
seems to me people just do what they want.
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people should know full story before coming out of their faces so on that note if u take things to heart u should not read the blog cuz it is bs anyway ps have a nice summer
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I just wanted to clear something up. In an earlier message of mine from july 6th i stated that older women would yell at me. It wasn't meant offensively to older people.If I was being offensive I would of wrote something along the lines of old and prob added a bad word but I did not. It meant that your older than me. And you yell at me as if you can scold me when something doesn't go your way like i'm your child. I'm an adult so I'd like to be treated with respect as everyone else. And yelling is not gonna solve the matter talking like a civilized person will. Also I'm sorry if I affended people that should of known that we're on good terms. NO ONE should of took it to heart if they don't have a guilty conscience. I just never got to say my feelings bout all the advantage that was taken out on my family and myself. We had neighbors act like they were friends called the town behind our backs all the time. Went against the house because of another house being built on the lots so my family lost a lot of $. And now due to economy we can't sell for what it's worth. And that's not fair. And they still smiled in our faces and acted as if they were friendly then the truth came out. How would you exspect me to trust them ever again because if they did it then why wouldn't they turn on you again. Just look at it this way we never got any apologies and prob never will. I never disrespected anyone and now that I wrote my feelings out a couple people came to us with this upset. Well look at it this way would you rather be a target everyday of your life having all this crap happening to you and your family. Or being the one behind the computer screen reading my blog. So it doesn't matter the age, race, gender. I'm just an innocent neighbor that has other neighbors interfering in my life all the time and making me out to be a bad person when there doing the wrong. And if this message still offends anyone in anyway then you have a problem because why would it offend you if i'm not throwing names out or you must be guilty in some way. I know this blog isn't meant for this but I rather write here then confronting almost my whole block.
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Wow, Liz your lack of intelligence is truly astounding. You are basically illiterate. What you wrote here for public viewing is practically unintelligible. You are not even smart enough to know that the property you live on is not zoned for two houses. Don't blame your neighbors for Village Zoning laws.
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Wow, ms. wow or should I say mr. wow. Amazing to me how you and so many others will freely write posts but are so afraid to put a name behind your comments. This just shows that your comments for the most part come from anger issues or vendetta’s and have no truth behind them. Well for anyone reading this let it be known when I posted comments I use my name so you know who I am and came come talk to us if you like to rebut my comments. I say what I mean without fear of letting you all know who I am because I speak truth; my typing is faster than my thoughts so yes I make grammar errors, wow - wow guess that’s a major issue for your brain. Speaking with a name behind my words shows truth to the fullest vs. hiding behind false faces such as false names “wow” and others as well. Living where neighbors hide behind these fake names and voice stupidity on a blog is so sad. At this point I’m sorry for even getting involved on this blog with so called adults that should be setting examples for others with their life experiences. I have learned that sometimes life makes people become sensitive to the smallest thing when their life if void of normal love and or missing true friends in their life. Our neighborhood is full of people that live to know what their neighbors are doing moment to moment and to see what the neighborhood brings them to discus for the day to fill their life with anything - something. So sad that so many live their days as such waiting to discover what others activities can bring to their lives, so sad that these people are missing so much in their own lives. We should feel compassion for these people and try not to let them get us angry with their miss deeds as they fill their lives with the activity of their neighbors. As I mentioned before, East and Warren shore roads would make for a great daytime tv soap show. It’s amazing to live it on a daily basis. To that I bid you a farewell to do as you wish behind your facades. And for those whom are normal and know whom I speak of thanks for bearing all these blogs that went away from the original intent to discus real issues and not personal vendetta’s. Maybe some of these blogs even brought some of you a chuckle to think how good it is when you have great neighbors you can trust and be friends with!
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WOW MR OR MRS WOW ... although i dont agree with your assessment of my neighbor Liz, I would much rather be unintelligent than ignorant and vindictive like you. You obviously live around our way, given your interest in the zoning details of Liz's property, and just so you know it's none of your goddamn business. It's really uncomfortable to live amoungst people that have unubstantiated negative opinions of you, neither Liz nor anyone else deserves that kind of unsolicited hatred. I think you should lay off...enough is enough already with making people feel uncomfortable where they live! Its a shame we don't know who you are (because of your cowardly anonymity)...because I assure you if we did, I would be more than happy to return the favor personally.
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Thank-you Irene!
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I know who it is. And i'm gonna tell so they get a taste of the filth.
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Liz,
Webster's dictionary has added a new word this year that I think describes your neighbors perfectly: FRENEMIES
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31827497/ns/today_books-today_book_news/
I sympathize with your lower property value and this terrible economy. I bet if you lived on my block we'd get along just fine and if I had a bone to pick, I'd say it to your face. Nicely of course.
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This entire village is filled with a bunch of lunatics. Liz is right. Everyone needs to start minding their own friggin business.... TAKE A DRIVE OVER THE BRIDGE PEOPLE...THERE IS A WHOLE OTHER WORLD OUT THERE!!!
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Bayville a great place to live, work and raise a family. By keeping quality of life issues high on our agenda, we are able to preserve the suburban tranquility and friendliness that is evident throughout the Village.
Somehow this is not evident anywhere on this blog! In earlier posts there was upset about the bonfires. Some quick to point out the law that has always been in place but never enforced well, so are fireworks but that law wasn’t being enforced.Yes, it a shame that a little girl got hurt however she isn’t the first, won’t be the last and accidents on the fourth aren’t limited to Warren Ave. What about two years ago year when then 23 year old Eagle Scout Mike Thom fell into the bonfire, causing him to suffer from serious third-degree burns and needing skin grafting, there were no new laws passed.
As for all that would like to repeat the TRUE story of the girls accident:
At the beach off Ships Lane, hundreds of people were gathered around bonfires and watching fireworks displays. According to one witness, a group of kids passed by one fire and threw something inside – sending fireworks in different directions. One of the fireworks landed in a girl's (6) lap. The girl's skirt momentarily caught on fire. The girl suffered second-degree burns to her inner thighs and upper legs.
The problems on Warren don’t stem from Liz, Irene or even Mr. Montagnese – these issues stem from lack of respect for your neighbor and their property, lack of knowledge and people who think they are the only one who live on the street. If instead of yelling disrespectful things such as “white trash, renters,Etc” why not try speaking with your neighbor with respect-might be a bit different. If you all respected the boundaries of a small street by picking up when your dog goes, keeping your children/animals in your view and out of your neighbor’s yard, flowers, bushes, shared the road when there is more than one car on it-all of those common decency aspects of living in a small community you might find out life could be a lot nicer.
Before you start arguing with people know what you are speaking about. You can’t use the easement of the road as your personal driveway, you can’t walk up to people on the beach asking them “who they are and do they belong here”, to watch where they park when you don’t say it to everyone especially those that do actually block the road and others driveways. You can speak to your neighbor and express your concerns for your children/grandchildren and animals safety when there are too many cars on a holiday or party or speeding.
Instead of jumping on each other from behind a computer screen why don’t you go outside-enjoy the town you CHOSE to live in and actually get to know your neighbors?? Or keep to yourself and keep QUIET
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What I witnessed today on the corner of warren and east shore was completely uncalled for. The Alessi's and Kelly's were trying to provoke the Tomassi's who weren' even outside. It appeared that Liz had company over and was minding her own business when her neighbors formed a circle in the road and were trying to involve passers by. They were speaking so loudly that I took the long way around to avoid being confronted. Everyone needs to stop fighting and get along because it affects the neighbors that aren't involved as well. I will say that seniors need to act there age and set a better example for the younger generation. On east shore and warren there are people in their 20's and 30's who act more mature than the older generation. How can we respect our elders when they act like children? I wish we could put an end to this stupidity because this is destroying our peace in the neighborhood. So lay off already, you may think that you have these neighbors on your side but it's just annoying those who don't want to be involved.
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On Friday, July 17th, someone said it like it is. The little girl that was injured was not the fault of Robert, Liz, Ed, or anyone else people keep blaming for their troubles, it was just an unfortunate accident.
There are those among us who have nothing good to say, ever. They walk around griping about everything, criticizing everyone. They use any excuse to promote their agenda. They are all well known to the people that populate Shore, Warren and East Shore Drive, so it serves no useful purpose to name them here.
I’m saying all this to suggest that maybe if we treated each other more like neighbors and started looking more at ourselves and being less critical of others, things would be a whole lot better and this blog would be used for promoting good feelings rather than criticism.
Those people who criticize the way others write, criticize their grammar and spelling, and criticize how they live their lives are serving no useful purpose to the people who read this blog. We already have heard your miserable ranting and raving a million times in the neighborhood and now you’ve just discovered another venue to release your ill-spirited dialogue. If you were truly intent on making things better you’d use your real name, not some pseudonym to mask your true identity. You’d stand up like a human being and express your opinion, unless of course, you already have come to terms with the fact that being cowardly is part of who you are.
Sometimes parties are annoying to us except when they’re our own, sometimes they have a guest that uses inappropriate language or has “a little too much”, but we have to be tolerant of our neighbors’ diverse interests, and Rob is a nice person who has increasingly gone out of his way to make his parties less intrusive to his neighbors. I think that hiring a valet service was a step in the right direction and has now progressed even further in the right direction by his taking the initiative to rent space in a distant parking area and shuttle his guests back and forth. I think that was a brilliant idea and a monumental gesture of good faith. What more would you have him do? Had anyone actually helped him work that out or did they just walk around complaining that “something had to be done”. In my opinion, he’s a nice guy who’s getting a bum rap and I for one, even though I am a thirty year resident of the block, will stand up for his right to continue enjoying his parties. So, to all you bitter people who have turned Rob into a household topic, get over it and move on!
As for Liz and Ed, also recipients of bad feelings, they couldn’t be better neighbors. He’s a hard working individual who keeps his property clean and neat, while working diligently to feed his family in this troubling economy, and Liz is a wonderful mother raising the cutest kid I’ve seen in a long time. Their visitors are nice, their family and guests are nice, and I for one cannot think of a single negative thing to say about them.
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This is a continuation of my first submission. Most of the people that I know on the three block area are extremely nice people and I for one get along with most of them. Their interests and actions are so diverse that it just serves as fodder for ribbing them when we meet. However, I truly do feel sorry for those people who walk around constantly spreading ill will. I feel sad that some people find it necessary to disrupt a delivery or service call to a neighbor’s house, for instance, rather than pull over, park and walk to their own house until it’s over. These are unhappy individuals who wouldn’t be happy in any circumstances and everybody knows who they are by name. I honestly feel that they have a sense of jealousy rather than hatred and cannot reconcile their true feelings. Don’t side with these negative, miserable people on the block, they will only cause you to become as unhappy as they are. The next time Rob invites you over to one of his parties, accept, talk to him, meet the people that attend, and you’ll discover as I did, that he and his guests are pleasant to be around. Finally, if anybody has a problem with what I’ve said, talk to me, express your opinion, unless of course you’d rather do it behind my back like you-know-who.
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Wow! When did the Hatfields and the McCoys move to Bayville? I'm sure glad I live on a block where everyone waves hello and minds their own business. We've had the same wonderful mailman for 20 years. Work it out people, life is too short for such animosity on a block.
Those were kind words, Mr. Lee. Very nicely written.
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Part 1
Well I guess its time as the owner of the so called other troubled house on Warren ave to chime in. I’m Roger and I want you all to know this blog entry is all mine, not some anonymous person. So if you want to sue me as some suggested they will be doing, go for it. This summer I have been meeting more of the block neighbors and wow, most of you are so pleasant to talk to. I’m so glad that many of you have been coming by to say hello and that I have decided to make an effort to talk to everyone, and for those who hold vendettas to this hour against me, lets put it all on the table here, G and R seem to hate me due to past conflicts they had with my father, whom when he passed away I made a point to offer G my hand and let the past go to which G replied I hated your father so I hate you. Ok so much for that, guess I can’t make G like me. Then a few years later we started a contract to sell our house to Aldo, another local neighbor who wanted to build a 2nd house on our large property. Oh my, did that start world war 3 on Warren / shore association against myself and Aldo. Well a few years after many town hearings we lost the attempt to build on the property. Oh well bad me and great for my neighbors, that’s life and I can deal with that. I then told my niece who lives at the house to end letting any neighbors that appeared at the town against us which parked on the property to no longer do such. Well that really kicked the anger up to high gear, and yah I guess I sparked this next adventure into having the town called every month or 2 over 4 years, reports to the town of,,,, my niece living in the house is an illegal renter, her husband is an illegal renter, parking cars on the lawn is illegal, and just on and on each being another new call to deal with the town on. I have been to the town dozens of times to defend these attacks to which I finally had my lawyer contact the town and make a point that any further false reports will now be considered harassment. Yah its time Roger sues back. Now whom-ever try’s to report something false may very well wind up in court defending themselves, ok one for me. But shit, it took a lawyer to stop this, and by the way, every incident to date has been dismissed, yes every incident dismissed but hey, if you were the one that did this to us you can feel good that yes it pissed me off so that’s one for you.
Well let me split this into 3 parts.
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Part 2 of 3 continued
Well if anyone should be angry it’s me, I lost a house sale and have been harassed for 4 years now. So the past few weeks my point has been to let everyone know I’m trying to let the past be over and start as of today fresh, you can be my friend, you can hate me but just be decent in passing and say hi if possible, I’m gonna be here a very long time now, you won and we can’t sell the house anymore. To my friends G and R, it really would not have killed ya to make peace with me today. Well I tried to make peace with my neighbors G and R today and can only say, why did I even try, it was just a waste of time, I won’t get into the nasty’s but the 30 minute talk we had ended very badly at 28 minutes and counting. Yah I know guys, Roger is just the neighborhood jerk, why should anyone make peace with this guy.
And for my neighbors that on the July 4th week I thought I made peace with, guess it doesn’t seem like that worked after the blow out I heard about today after I left the house, why always after I leave, why not when I am there. What you didn’t know is that my close friend from work stayed with Liz and Eddie after I left so when you started in tonight I actually got the story from my friend who is ready to stand up and let everyone know who came out their door screaming tonight white trash to Liz when she was holding her baby and talking to a neighbor friend on the block, why did that have to happen? What is wrong with this picture? Who is acting like a young ahhh aged punk, it’s not the younger people for sure….. Sorry but that had to be said, you can’t be friendly to my face and do this when I leave, there is a name for that but lets not go there. Well I’ll be out next Saturday the 25th early part of the day. If ya want to come over and yell at me or maybe even say hello, please do either. If you want to sue me for this email ok, go for it as 2 of you let me know today that your gonna sue my niece for every email on this blog. Was that a threat, why can’t ya just be an adult and let it go…….As I was told today by the same 2 very important people that made this point over and over to me that they are very important people in the town of Bayville and this is not good for them to have this on the Blog, why do you want to carry this on and on and on. Why didn’t you take that big step make peace with me today, oh yah, I know I’m just a jerk, an educated, college degreed engineer white collar worker. Yah I know, I am not an important person in Bayville like you told me over and over today that you are. Gosh, why do I only have these issues at the Bayville house, my main house is surrounded with loving friendly neighbors? I do sympathize when your last name is used, that’s just not right, even if I don’t care for ya much I’ll give you that one, its just wrong and no one should be using last names here, but I really think you are bringing all this trouble to yourselves by just not being neighborhood friendly.
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Part 3 of 3
A wise person once told me you will never like everything about each person you know so I go through life trying to let the small stuff pass, but this is really tuff when you offer your hand and get back, well let’s not go there. Oh yah, I plan to make the next association meeting if I am not on business travel, so I hope to meet the rest of you in the neighborhood then, I finally met our association president and she seems to be pretty cool so far, I’m sure she has heard nothing but anger towards me yet she actually made a point to be friendly to talk with me and get me interested to show at the next meeting. Well kudo’s to her, its gotta be tuff to have association meetings and listen to all this grief! I’m sure this will make for great discussion planning for the few that hate Roger and how they can plan their attack on me at the association meeting, but let me say I am going there to be part of the group, those that wish to attack, so be it. Well that’s it, I will not be back to Blog further, I can imagine what the follow-up blogs to this will say, but I shall not return, I shall not re-butt so go for it, all you lets get Roger people. You have free privilege to let your feelings out; I just ask that you sign what you write so I may one day try to talk with you about your issues. I look forward to meeting more of my neighbors next Saturday or at the next association meeting, may we one day all live in peace and mind our own problems vs. being so quick to be in others affairs. Roger 7/18/09 I really luv you all………………..and I’m not a born again or some nut, just a guy who wants to get along with people.
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Well it looks like “G” is up to no good once again as his vendetta continues. He just walked up to my property, stood there and stared.
Looks like “G” is working on his next complaint to the town to start another harassment charge against me. I can only hope the town no longer plays along with his games to harass us. But my uncle will go legal now with our lawyer as going forward its easy to pinpoint harassment claims to people when ya just make such over and over, haha “G”. We know, you tell us over and over you are so important in Bayville and have friends in the town dept but your game ends in court the next time you harass us using the town as your pawn. The town dept knows this from our lawyer and they and you could be liable at this point for harassment, as all you do is go there and issue complaints so the town will proceed with caution on your complaints I am sure no matter how important you think you are or who you think you know. So why does “G” continue to harass me, why is “G” on this vendetta against me?….well its certainly not me who continues this harassment, I mind my own business, I don’t bother with “G” or make any gestures. I just want peace with my neighbors as does my uncle who tried to make peace with “G” this past Saturday but “G” refuses to be civil with us. And we are not the only ones whom will note that “G” is a problem.
Please note that I had agreed with my uncle last week to end all blogging as my uncle attempted to make the peace with “G” but now we all feel as “G” continues the harassment its too important to not let you all know what is continuing to happen here “to me”, so as I am harassed I will let you all know. When the harassment stops I will also stop blogging.
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I also need to mention what happened to me on Saturday night after my uncle left the house. On Saturday the 18th I was minding my own business like usual, speaking to a friendly neighbor near the street, when "M" came outside and verbally assaulted me saying I was a white trash… blank…. blank…. piece of S*%t. Then "M" in a ranting state of mind said to the other neighbor why would you even talk to Liz, I have lost all respect for you.. This all happened for no reason but to harass me .............Once again "M" tried hard to get other people involved but this time she failed other than to insult another neighbor with a nasty follow-up to her for talking to me "Liz". “M” just lives to fight it seems. I will add that my son (19 months old) was right there while "M" said obscene things and then "M" wrongfully accused me of blogging her with more harassing comments and another neighbor when the blog was actually an anonymous blog by someone else. I have no fear to let all know which are my blogs, "M" just doesn't get it, there are actually other people that do not like "M" LOL, I wonder why? It’s just is not respectful to be screaming constantly but I guess “M” you are what you are. May I suggest you research what you speak.....discover what white trash means and think about it, need I say more
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Again stay tuned as I will continue to let you all know what further news comes about, I can only hope one day these few people learn its not so hard to be friendly and how easy it can be to let the petty stuff go. But then again some people just can't change. Liz
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...this is just totally out of hand, I just can't believe it. How can a few mean people cause all the 'cool' people on the block to get so twisted up?! I imagine they enjoy it. The problem is, we don't enjoy retaliating against it...in fact it's just getting annoying at this point. Liz, the next time anyone harrasses you, call any one of us to be a witness and call the cops. If you want to arrange a meeting of the cool people
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Irene, I'm just gonna do what the police told me to do for now, call them to handle the problem and do my best to not get involved in a shouting match. Yes I already have witnesses thank god and the more the better. I also have a few recordings lol, you know how amazing cell phones are today but I’m not one to go spread it around and fuel the fire even further, I’ll just present what I have if we ever get to that point. I don't want to do anything at this point to feed into the problems further but I will report what they do to me going forward on this blog. I think that’s a fair way to go. I just wish they would mind their own matters, stop complaining about the petty stuff and be a good neighbor. Stop running to the town to make a complaint in revenge or continue of some past vendetta. I am amazed how many neighbors are telling me that these people complain about everything they can go out of their way to find so I guess I am by far not alone on this problem. Oh well, maybe one day they will go quiet and let the 3 block area be in peace again as they become the outcasts. Thanks Liz
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Look on the bright side - at least the cops won't be eating donuts parked 4 abreast down at Ransom Beach!
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Liz please stop, wipe your tears and move on, please do not write on this blog anymore, we do not want to hear about you issues, call dr. phil.
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Kathy M,
You don't speak for me, this is better than As The World Turns, and who the hell are you to tell a fellow American not to write on a blog, hmmmm?
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Kathy
I never said this was fun reading, entertaining yes it could be, but a serious issue this is. We live in a country where the right to freedom is a wonderful thing which blogging is covered under. You are suggesting that you stand for others when you openly use the word we in your statement that I should be denied this right of freedom to blog my issues. Please speak for yourself and let others speak for themselves. As for you, I kindly suggest you no longer click on this blog if it bothers you, as you do have the freedom to make a personal choice to select this blog or another to read. You have no right to deny the right of freedom of speech or press to anyone. This is what our dear soldiers fight for and loose their lives over, our rights, so let’s not go there. My grandfather was a vet as many other of our family members are, and freedom rights are no joke to us or most people these days, mostly if you love our vets. (And may I say the freedom to speech and press should include basic ethics, I am sure we have all seen how some can get carried away when they don’t associate their name to there thoughts, but that’s my spin and not part of our rights unfortunately) Liz
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Mr., Montagnese,
Wow so much has happened since I wrote on this blog. Soap opera for sure!!! We need to STOP this BULL S_ _t!! On Saturday my tenant just informed me that when she was leaving my house someone was taking a picture from a cell phone of my mail box! Lets be for real, and yes my house is a legal 2 family house.
Anyway, I want to thank all the people that are being friendly and are actually trying to make Pease. I just read a lot of great things from my neighbors. It's unfortunate that we do have a couple of people that still want to cause problems!! We all know who you are. Roger I will see you Saturday to have a drink with you and support your family from these Crazy people on warren/east shore. I’m really tired of playing there game, so from now on I guess the cops will have to take care of the people who are causing problems. LET’S GROW UP!!
It’s amazing how many great people there are around us and how FEW are miserable! I will have a Blog party (in august) for all the nice people that want to enjoy a day on the beach to eat a drink and enjoy and get to know everybody from our association. And yes EVERYBODY will be invited (An invitation will be in your mailbox) so if you want to meet and discuss anything with your neighbors face to face, here’s your chance. Let’s really see who wants to live in Peace!!
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Of coarse you know Rob we will be there. Cause I will say you are a great neighbor. Stop by later for a burger having the parents over for dinner.
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Stop the BS, move on ladies, there are bigger issues out there, move on let go and forget about the past. Instead of sitting home and complaining about how no one likes you, spend your time calling your locale congressman or senator and tell them not to support Obama health care plan, I have called all locale long island congressman and woman and senators, and only one senator's intern told me he was not supporting the health care bill and that was out great Carl M. Bishop is on the fence, throw chuck will support any democratic bill and Carolyn is undecided. This is a serious matter, this bill if paseed will finically impact you and your childrens children. The annuity one did'nt even read the bill, he was questioned about a section Page 16 and could not answer the question, the democrats want to rubber stamp this bill that could and will effect every person in the Unites States. Let the residents of this great country be heard, stop obama. Lets send a message to our president lets tell him we are tired of his reckless spending, lets figure out how we can vcan deliever healthcare to those that need it and leave everyone else alone. If you look back at obama's voting record when he was a senator, he voted against every republicain proposal for healthcare change. Make the nescessary calls, it only takes 3 minutes, let the elected officals hear your voice.
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ohhhh righty then all this being said
bonfires????
look the issues that are now being said here are old issues that everyone in a small village has had and we have seen over the years.I think if we respected and i mean this .....!!!! property boundaries, personal space, noise levels and when you have a party i remember jimmy and i would have our Pig roasts we sent notices out,with what our issues where going to be We invited our neighbors and with phone nbr if anyone had any questions. I would not just assume my neighbors would allow my guests to park on there property or in front of their house or when Dead Mile Dance ie my husbands band that i had the right to infringe on my neighbors peace I new ahead of time i did not invite more people then i could be responsible for during those days" no kids no pets" as i new it was going to be adult party..so...also renting of houses to more people then can accom parking these absent landlords did you not think that renting a house to 6people with six cars and your property in 50x100 50 being the front helloooooo check with your neighbors first i think if we give our neighbors a chance and start over...we don't have johnny o and and Wellenruther and Glad to help us sort out our issues lollol ok thats all i have to sayyyyy....
ps does anyone know if the statue of Poseidon at lepicure is up for sale couple of us ladies out on a hen night where wondering thats all
little pino ya know
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The bottom line is that the last great thing that Bayville had was ruined this 4th. This town used to be a place that people wanted to visit and live in but we have become the Asbury Park of Long Island. The forth was our last claim to fame and Vicky ran it out like she did every other thing in this town. I say since this is her last year, next year we have the biggest fires ever as a tribute to our town finaly being free of her. Also remember its only a $1500 fine, it cost us all more than that in taxes when her son wrecked the town truck drunk a couple of years ago.
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Yes because Bush left our country in such great shape..the man would not have been happy until he accomplished on last feat to burn the White House down. Obama is doing everything he can to fix the mess Bush left us with. Even if McCain had won the man would have had to undertake a huge job. Stop bashing Obama it is Bush that made the mess. Oh lets see..lets go to war with Iraq to make me look like a strong President and we can pretend to look for Osama. Mission Accomplished my ass. Foreclosures, unemployment. automotive businesses and Wall Street in turnmoil tell me what did Bush actually accomplish I REALLY would like to know. As for the healthcare issue that you Tea Baggers are bashing let me tell you something ....after receiving chemo for my cancer and was about to start my radiation treatments Cigna dropped me because I cost them too much money thats right dropped me After years of paying thousands of dollars to cover myself and my family and we were all healthy. I suggest you watch the film Sicko again because the insurance companies make huge contributions to political figures make huge salaries and when we need them they cut corners. I hope you are never in the same situation I was in.
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What a waste of good chemo!!!!! what have you done for this country? vet?,don`t think so huh.
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Great overview. Your style of writing is really a joy to read.
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To Gwen Curran,
Used to live around the corner from you on Hiltop, went to school in the same grade as you. Was in your history class etc...Knew the same folks, had a crush on your sister... Haven’t been back to Bayville in years and years (Miss it), but I would say, whatever you say, goes. I used to be one of the kids, who spent days and days (Weeks?) collecting wood for 4th of July bonfires, wouldn’t change a thing about the tradition; of course, I don't know what precipitated the vote to do away with them, but what I do know is, the beach in front of the homes in Bayville is on private, mostly, incorporated property. The bonfires have been a tradition for dozens and dozens, if not more, of years. If something happened that caused the local government to move to ban them, the local government should have differed the choice to the, even more local, homeowners associations, who, one would think, can take care of themselves. It would be an interesting endeavor, if one had the time, to research, just how much authority the local “government” (trustees?) have when it comes to the rights of private property owners, and the choice to ban a local tradition.
-Daniel James (Barber)
djbarber@hotmail.com
-Marina del Rey, CA
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It was a homeowners association that decided to ban fires before the village acted. The injury of a child, a giant bonfire fueled by gasoline(and inebriated partiers) as well as a homeowner charging to use the beach pretty much showed that the fires were out of control.
Add to that the fact that there is a New York State and County ordinance concerning bonfires. In addition the roads near the homes were so congested with parked cars that the fire department would have had a difficult time in responding to a fire, should the need develop.
The main issue is insurance. If I called my insurance company and asked if I built a giant bonfire on the beach in close proximity to my home and wind caused the fire to spread to my home, would I be covered? The answer is obvious.
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what's up with these wacky names ?? have you guys been hangin out at the water tower ??
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