Village Board of Trustees Meeting August 22, 2011
Among the issues discussed were stalled construction projects such as Steve’s Pier, the old Pig & Whistle, the fishpond in front of the Bayville Animal Hospital (not the Vet’s fault) and the landfill that appears to be operating across the street. Other issues included parking issues on Greenwich, a business at the stands (I believe Ralph’s – please correct me if I am wrong) pumping their basement and affecting other businesses, lack of maintenance on the buildings and premises of the commercial districts, a catering truck business being run from a residence on Wansor and a poorly maintained wall in front of the Oak Neck development. If I have made any errors please let me know.
On a side note, an interesting statement was made by the new village attorney regarding the wall. He said something to the effect that, when determining responsibility, the court often looks at who has maintained the structure in the past. I just hope he remembers that statement when I discuss the drainage on Arlington Lane with him. More on that to follow.
I am posting this to give the community a place to discuss, debate and share useful and pertinent information regarding these issues and any progress that may, or may not, be made. As always, I implore you to keep it constructive and civil, and encourage you to take credit and responsibility for what you post by using your real name, or at least a unique user name that identifies you to people in the community.
That being said – neutral corners please…………… ding.
Barry E. Lamb
Bayville
Posted by Barry E Lamb at Wednesday, August 24, 2011 4:50 AM 
Categories: Village Administration, Village Aesthetics
Categories: Village Administration, Village Aesthetics
Did anyone else hear the mayor say that Ralph's Pizza would be made to remove the pipe that they use to pump their basement onto the sidewalk? Refresh my memory. Didn't he say it would be done on Tuesday? It is Wednesday. Not only did they pump all day yesterday, but they are pumping as I write this.
Kelly: the DEC can be called for any flows into protected areas. They are usually VERY strict.
-Carla
Maybe it's time for a good old Protest Rally . Park all your cars in front of Ralph's on a Friday evening at 5:30 put up big signs , have people standing in the streets with signs , and make a big "awarness stink" ..it's an American right and can really have an effect .. you do that a few evenings in a row like on weekends people will understand it and maybe Ralph will get the message as his pies don't go out the door so fast .. borrow one of those blow up Rats you see at union rallys ,with a big arrow pointing to the sludge pumping ..make sure the news is invited and get it on tv ..give an interview to news 12 about the illegal dumping , get environmentalists involved , it could be the answer ... maybe Ralph would just close for a few days ...something tells me he's got a lot of shoe boxes of cash stashed so closing may just be his thing .. but ya gotta try ... Protest is an American right , go for it .....Maybe do the same thing for down town as well , block all the parking in front of the deli , put up signs and just be a harrassement .........
Great review , you're right on ...I learned something new last nite that seems t be a big problem that has no out .. our elected Judge is a wimp and doesn’t do his job . From what a past Trustee tells me , the majority of summonses that get to court are suspended or postponed. Now apparently the administration has asked the judge to do more but they were basically told “too bad , its my court and I’ll run it my way “ .. I don’t know the man but am told he’s very nice and likes being liked , which is exactly what a judge should not be concerned with , his job is to follow the law and hand out punishment according to the law ….as the Judge is independent of any input from the Board the only way to get action apparently is to petition Albany .I don’t pretend to know too much about this but promise I will be looking into it further ….so with no judge enforcing the summons being handed out it’s kind of pointless …………
Thrilled to know that some residents are "DONE" with what is happening here in Bayville.Now is the time to make a real plan and take the summons and building neglect to higher authorities...lets join together and make Bayville happen again....count me in!!!!!!
Nah, that Judge is an excellent lawyer and Judge too. The only people who don't like him are the ones trying to use the Court to help them in some sad and desperate campaign of harrassment they have going against their neighbor. If you want code enforcers up your downspout every minute I think its a bad idea.
so how come the summonses these businesses are issued are suspended so often ? why would a past trustee tell me this .. he was as frustrated as anyone because the summonses are not being procecuted .. I never questioned him being a good lawyer , but can he make the unpopular decisions judges so often have to make , it sounds like NO .. illegal pumping of waste and unanswered fines is in my view a weak judge ...and yes the mayor did say the pumping and hose would be stopped on Tuesday .. all hot air and no backbone .. boo to the judge
call me prejudiced, but somehow i can't imagine all this occurring if frank fisher was the judge and josephine r. young president of the zoning board. where did all the backbone go in this village? shelby coates is rolling in his grave, bless his heart. you know you are old when you remember when public servants used to LOVE their community~
I was just informed at Village Hall that a summons has not even been issued to Ralph's Pizza to stop pumping yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAbEFCqUhPI&feature=player_embedded
Kelly,
You didn't expect the village to follow through on their word did you? You may have to FOIA the minutes from the meeting the other night. By the time you get that, if they release it, that should buy them a few more weeks before issuing a summons. This village administration is a joke and could probably be run better by recent IB high school graduates.
You are waaaay off base in attacking the Village Judge. The Village Court can only rule on the legality of the summones that are written. The court has no choice but to dismiss a defective summons. Nobody should be writing on this blog without knowing the facts. The Village Justices can't even respond to such allegations because ethical rules prohibit it.
You are absolutly right ..I stand corrected as I have been advised by others .. from hear on out I'll go by the facts i know are correct instead of on hear say from what were suppose to be people in the know ... as I understand it if code violation summons are not filled in correctly the village justice has no choice but to dismiss ...as for the state of the village being in deteriation I blame the property owners and see the village as being lax on getting them to clean up ..
Anon,
Maria Alfano Hardy told me that a draft would be available in 2 weeks, but that it will only contain Board resolutions. It probably will not be of much use to me. I did go to Village Hall today to FOIL lots of document. Maria and everyone else at Village Hall was very accommodating and have worked swiftly to fulfill my requests so far.
Another long standing concern is the cell tower right next to the school. Please encourage the Mayor and Village Trustees to slowly move some of the antennas off of the water tower, by not renewing leases as they come up. Our school children and neighboring residents deserve this problem resolution as it becomes possible to change the situation.
Maybe the Village Judge should meet with the Code Enforcer to show him how to write violations. Simple solution...why hasn't it been done & also seems to be a lame excuse as to why violations and fines are not followed through.
It is my understanding that anything verbally said at the meetings is not included in the minutes. Only written statements that are presented to the Board & Clerk are included. Can this be verified. No sense foiling for something that isn't there.
The Village Judge can't meet with the code enforcement officer. There is a thing called separation of powers. The court can't dictate how the police and prosecutors operate. Kinda takes the neutrality out of it. It would be like Kathleen Rice asking the judges how she should write her indictments in order to win convictions. Doesn't sound very American...
Lifelong Resident, If what you are claiming about separation of powers is true even on the village level, the issue still stands that if indeed summons' are getting tossed out due to errors, then the code enforcer(s) need to be taught how to write them properly.
Imagine there was a Nassau County Cop who kept writing tickets with errors on them. So everytime one of his tickets was protested, ooops, another mistake, guess that person got away with speeding,blowing a stop sign, etc. Don't you think at some point, that police officers lack of ability or willingness to learn a basic function of his job would be addressed by his superiors?
I think the same should apply....if the code enforcer doesn't show an interest in learning a basic task of his job....well unemployment is at record numbers, we shouldn't have too hard a time finding a replacement.
Agreed. But it is not the job of the Village Court to supervise the code enforcement officer. The mayor and the village attorney need to address this issue.
i have shooed away the trolls under the bridge. anyone who needs to take shelter there this weekend can do so safely now. if they try to come back i will lure them away again with some mutton. they are more of a nuisance than anything else. high tide will be around 1030 or so i think, so - well - good luck and be safe
I'd be more afraid of getting hit by one of the stupid new signs on the bridge .. This blog should have a current picture of the bridge next to the beautiful one on top of the blog .. it's another disgrace that makes this village look like it's in ruin even when you're on the water .. whens it gonna stop ?
i know, its true. and its not even like the signs are of any use becaue they are supposed to say "warning - trolls" but my bosses thought that would be too alarming - they don't really know much about trolls i guess - once they found out trolls can smell the blood of a christian-man it put them in a complete panic
I guess you can get a little stir crazy on slow days .. maybe you should just raise an lower once an hour traffic or not just to keep the Trolls in check .. by the way , can't you train these trolls to do the chipping and paint? seems like a great way to save the county a few $.. I know they'd probably want to be in the union and have all the bennys ..oh well just a thought .. think you could get them to eat thru those sign straps and let the signs drop in the water out of sight ? You'd do a fine service >>>>>
I am so glad to read that it IS against the law to pump your basement out into someone else's property. I have neighbors who have been pumping from last week's rain storm non-stop into my yard, driveway,all the way up to my house. Everyone tells me there is nothing I can do because it's "Bayville" is that true?
Have them get another section of hose so it reaches into the street.
"nothing I can do because it's "Bayville" is that true"...You should do something, irreguardless of where you live.
BTW...fireworks on the beach tonight...now that is Bayville!
Amy,
Read section 61-1 of the Village Code. Village Code is available online.
Ralph's pizza has been pumping for over a year and a half. if your neighbors doing it because of extenuating circumstances which last weeks storm and this coming storm will present,
I do not know if the Village will fine them or if this code pertains to a temporary pump out from rainwater. Call Village Hall and ask.
Ralphs Pizza has NOT been pumping for over a year and a half. Where do you get your info from?? They pump about as much as everyone else does when a heavy rain storm comes.
I like Doug alot, really do. But I must say I was shocked by his complete inability to cope with the enlarged crowd, miss an important opportunity to make ANY meaningful suggestions, determine any sort of solution on any point made, or react in any meaningful way. I really hope he can step it up.
What's going on at Ralph's is deplorable. The only thing worse is Doug's proclamation to 'fix it tomorrow' and not following through. It's apparent now that he never has had any intention of fixing it. Come on man....
"The only thing worse is Doug's proclamation to 'fix it tomorrow' and not following through. It's apparent now that he never has had any intention of fixing it."
Unfortunately, not following through is a regular occurrence and appears to be the MO of this village.
Then when asked, at a meeting or in person, what happened to what was said we are confronted with hostility, condescending responses, and a complete turnaround or "spin" of the situation at hand. This is why there is relatively no movement in this village.
This administration needs to make some serious changes in its course in order to reach a better destination. Not sure if Doug can handle the helm.
I hope the public continues to attend meetings and perhaps even organize their concerns and thoughts in a way that is clear, and constructive for the BOT and Mayor to use these concerns and ideas/suggestions as a spring board for change.
The problem is that the public has been silent for so long that has sent a message that everyone was happy with what was going on. The past two elections the trustees and mayor ran unopposed (with exception to a woman who ran who ran a weak campaign against Doug that no one even knew about.)
This past June there was a special election held for one trustee ( the turstee ran un opposed)
and next June three other trustees are up.
The current board has already started asking people if they would be interested in running.
People in this Village need to step up and run for trustee. You do not have to be the Mayor. The trustees have an equal vote and they number at least 7.
There is no movement in this Village because
1) the silence the public has given over the past years,
2)the apathy the public has shown
3)the lack of foresight and ability to move forward from the leadership in this community.
People need to get involved and consider running for office here. WE cannot afford the current party keeping a hold and only asking the people they think share the same ideas as them to run.
We need fresh ideas, new blood represented from all residents and energy and momentum to actually make a difference here.
I was reviewing my records concerning the year and a half long request to the Village to address the illegal degradation of public property by the owners of 16 Bayville Avenue. We continue,17 months later to demand that they comply with the laws and regulations of this Village. I came upon this article, written in April 2010 , to Mayor Siegel. It is interesting and sad. www.theleaderonline.com/2010/April%2014/Page4.html
I incorrectly wrote that it was a letter to Mayor Siegel. It was a Letter to the Editor at The Leader. Mayor Siegel responded the following week in the Leader. My husband followed her letter with a response.
my first trip to this blog. i ckd with the county and they have sampled and tested the water coming from the ralphs pizza 8 times. they say its just plain ground water with no health risk at all. i've seen many houses over the years in this village pumping water into the street from their flooded basements. i don't see the harm in doing this. almost every house with a basement in the president streets is doing this right now and i don't hear a single complaint about that. whats fair is fair but sounds to me like someone has an agenda here.
PROVE IT!
First of all, we are not taking about a house. We are talking about a successful COMMERCIAL business, the face, really, of this Village. I find it a bit suspect that you were able to acquire so much information from the County. Being intimately involved with this, I have not been able to obtaining the results of the "8" tests. I have FOILEed the tests results, but to date the Village has not produced the documentation. Could you tell me who you spoke to? If the first and second test were clean, why would they perform test 3,4,5,6,7,8? The fact remains that their pumping creates a physical barrier along the strip. It creates an unsightly situation that would never be permitted to exist in towns like Cold Spring Harbor, Roslyn, Port Washington, Oyster Bay or Glen Cove. It has produced gaping potholes for the residents of Wilson Avenue. It has created a huge stain on the sidewalk and street, demonstrating dissolved metals, which are illegal to pump according to Village Code. As well, it deposits trash and debris in front of the adjoining properties. In the winter, it creates a dangerous situation , which they have been cited for by the Village on March 3, 2011, but no fine was collected. Finally, Village code 63-A states that any hose or conveyance, not documented in plans is illegal. This has been going on for 17 months. Our cash strapped Village could have collected $126,250 by enforcing the fines written in their code. Do you think the owners of 16 Bayville Avenue would have fixed their problem, if they were faced with a fine like that? Have you ever thought about why 16 Bayville Avenue has this problem when no other building along the strip needs to continually pump, even in dry weather situations as they do?
The discussion that precipitated these threads was the declining appearance and quality of life in this Village. This is another example of personal relationships superseding the laws and codes for the good of all, to protect those who do not want to make the investment and make the proper repairs to their properties, for the good of the residents of the Village of Bayville. The paralysis of the leader of this Village to stand by his word and enforce the laws of this town is disgraceful.
Yes, I do have an agenda. My agenda as a homeowner and business owner is to make Bayville the best that it can be.
HI Kelly, just curious if you were calling the shots what would you have Ralph's do with the water??
Dear KM,
“just curious if you were calling the shots what would you have Ralph's do with the water??”
What the owners of 16 Bayville Avenue need to do is fix their antiquated sanitary system. The frugal owners have made a calculated business decision: why make a costly repair when past administrations and the current administration has chosen to cast a blind eye to the situation? For the past 18 months, they have had the opportunity to apply for the proper permitting to make this repair, but have chosen to defile this community with no regard for their neighbors, patrons, local residents and guests to our Village.
The short answer: SPEND MONEY and FIX THE PROBLEM!
Dear Kelly, good luck with your business but I feel government is to intrusive in our lives already. "proper permitting " good luck. silt, dirt toxic metals? coming from Ralphs ?? thats pretty funny . I have personally smelled the water with my big nose and I thought I detected a faint whiff of pepperoni.
Yea real funny.like our declining property values,and rising village tax rates.you know what I smell? stupidity.
Can I get an AMEN?
Kelly,
I don’t want to get into a pissing contest with you. I am a Bayville resident also and want to see the village prosper and grow as much as anyone. I want to be able to walk clean streets but lets be truthful here. The “…putrid effluent” your husband reported in the Leader is anything but. I’ve been there and seen it, it is clean and has no smell whatsoever. If it were as you describe I would be as outraged as you seem to be but this is simply not the case. The brown stain on the sidewalk is from the high iron content of the water, hardly an oddity. The multiple tests reported are from the ‘multiple complaints’ filed. Each time the county responds with another test at our expense but with the same results.
In years past, the former Log Cabin, your current property, had a basement and with every heavy rainfall that basement as well as the others along the strip would fill with water. Everyone pumped that water into the Creek in back. Some still do though that is illegal. Ralphs Pizza opted to NOT pump into the Creek anymore but instead pump into the gutter of the street where it flows into the multi-million dollar drainage system the county installed a few years back.
Considering the magnitude of some of the real issues this village faces I hardly think that a rust stained sidewalk warrants the kind of attention that you seem to think. I don’t know what sort of issues you have with Ralphs Pizza but maybe you and they need to sit down and talk things over. I have no personal involvement with either you or them but it seems to me that this is a person matter for you two and not the village.
i hope everyone is ok now. i think if i could have turned the spans sideways it might have slowed the water - but i couldn't do it because i only have "up" and "down" buttons. a Tusseladd has also gone missing - i think i will find him later tonight because i think i know where he has gone - but until then it might be better to keep your cats in the house.
So how many species of trolls do you take care off? I heard the government is paying big $ fro Troll control .. good luck ...
Kelly,
I do not know who the person is you are speaking to on here, but i want you to know that the majority of people who know about this problem find it deplorable. We all get what you are saying. This person and the people she supports are ok with mediocrity, it makes them feel better for some reason. So they do not "See" the problem of running water continuously flowing in front of places of business. It is gross and against all the village codes sighted here on this site.
You are right on every count and do not give up.
How about clearing these lots for community farming? This could be done next year, no harm would be done to the lots, money for the town could be produced, and the leaking oil, gasoline,and transmission fluid stopped! Frankly, "the good ole boys" would have to find a place for their "Junk". When you show a kid how to plant a seed, the seed sprouts, and then creats a fruit: greenbeans, canteloupes, broccoli, and cauliflower, among others, and they can pick and consume what they first planted, well this is something that they will never forget.
NOW, I know people are moving out of Bayville because of the "lack of community"
Who is going to want to move in? There are 80 homes listed for sale... We have, right now, an opportunity to make Bayville, a wonderful place to live, but first, all the people who already live here, need to join together in fruitful projects.
Bayville, is a cool place to live for kids, if they have a desire to fish... Yet there are no programs initializing this sport. Maybe, we could get a commerical sponsor for this outlet to promote fishing in Bayville?
This year's Farmer's Market was a total debacle, because of the "TOWN" first insisting on every local vendor to have insurance, then 4 weeks later, saying that it was not necessary......
In one breath you want government to confiscate peoples property for gardens and then you proceed to tell us what a debacle the farmers market was because of bureaucratic crap. Sorry it don't work both ways. As soon as government gets out of the way this village and this nation can prosper again.
Dear justme,
I find it frustrating debating with someone who has “ no personal involvement” , yet has the opportunity to make wild statements with the ability to stay anonymous. “Let’s be truthful here”, the “putrid effluent” that my husband had to reference in the Leader is real. As I sign my name, I will make every effort to discuss facts.
Fact: The effluent being pumped is coming from an illegal connection, as cited in the Village code.
Fact: The deposit of dissolved metals, as well as dirt and silt are also clearly listed as illegal in the Village code.
Fact: The multiple complaints that were filed have not yielded any fines for the past 18 months.
Fact: As of 8/31/11, no one from the Village or Nassau County has been able to supply me with the results of any water analysis, much less the 8 that you claim exist.
I am well aware of the pumping toward the creek that occurred for many years, as I was a resident of Wilson Avenue, and fought the Village then as well. I hardly feel that the owners of 16 Bayville Avenue deserve praise for moving their pump to the sidewalk, for all of Bayville to walk through.
I agree, “considering the magnitude of some of the real issues this Village faces”, this violation should be a no-brainer. The scariest part is that the Village cannot enforce a basic and obvious code violation and collect the fines for something that is just another example of the downward spiral of the appearance and quality of life in this Village.
Aileen,
That is a really nice idea and I agree with you on the effect gardening would have on children. However, these properties are owned by people. The Village would have to take them over and buy them at fair market value. Two problems here, the Village has no money, and that would be eminent domain. The village would need money for eminent domain and it is a road i would never want to see this village go down.
If you like the market why don't you run it next year? There is a small piece of land in front of Village
Hall and the rec center why don't you go to the Village with your ideas and ask to start a community garden in those spots.
As for the fishing, ther is a nsapper derby but more fishing exposure would be nice.
Kelly,
KM has asked you a fair question with regard to the water in the basement, “just curious if you were calling the shots what would you have Ralph's do with the water??” Your response was to vilify the owners of Ralphs but with no solution. “SPEND MONEY and FIX THE PROBLEM!” is not a solution it is a rebuke.
You also responded to me “I find it frustrating debating with someone who has “ no personal involvement” , yet has the opportunity to make wild statements with the ability to stay anonymous.”. But Kelly, I do have a personal involvement, just like you I live here too! Your assertion that I make ‘wild statements’ while YOU only speak ‘fact’ is very, shall we say ‘one sided’. Your opinions are yours and you are most certainly entitled to them as am I to mine. I have seen the county letter with the test results stating that the water samples tested were clean with no health risks. If you choose not to believe me, well again you are entitled to it.
I do have one piece of advice for you though, try to get your facts correct before you jump to erroneous conclusions about what other people are thinking and doing. If you did you might find some answers to correct your misconceptions.
BTW, have you seen the huge steam of brown water flowing along Bayville Ave today at the presidents streets? Looks like most of the houses along there are pumping.
I walked the strip earlier today.It sure did'nt look or smell clean.It was a nice complement to the weeds,abandoned buildings and the garbage in the street.It looks like Newark in the 70's.Just me ,way to defend to the end.I am now paying 19% higher taxes for what/the village can't even make a commercial business with the PRIVILIDGE to operate in this town clean up there act.It is not there right to be their it is a privilidge. They should comply with the law or lose their licence to operate.
Just me, I really don't think anyone is comparing the pumping this week to the 18 months of pumping. I really want everyone to think how you feel If your neighbor pumped out on your property line for 18 months. You ask your village for help and you are ignored This village can give tickets like crazy for a baseball hoop to close to the street. Really this is just insane. Take a walk around town with your eyes wide open you will see many horrific things. It is time to take back our town!!
I personally think that the protest is an option to use when all else is expired. The general public has laid quiet for many many years, giving business owners, commercial property owners and the leadership of this community the signal that we are happy with what is going on. We have just started to speak up. Lets give them the time to respond and give the time for them to hear us more clearly.
I personally think there needs to be an effort put forth, instituted by the residents who were at the last meeting and any others who have similar concerns, to speak to the administration and the businesses. I think this administration is willing to listen and act, they just did not know how strongly the people felt. Until now, they probably only heard a few rumblings in the gossip train that people thought this or that, but until now the public has not shown up in numbers to express their disgust, dissatisfaction and urgency to get results to the leadership of this community and to the business community at large.
We need to be heard and showing up at meetings in an organized manner with clear cut goals and objectives that represent a large group of residents should be our first step.
The businesses and property owners alike are not only allowed to get away with keeping their places like crap because of the Village turning a blind eye, but it is us who have quietly accepted it.
Lets talk this opportunity to share our concerns and desires for this community with the people who are making it look so dilapidated. Lets try to express ourselves first. If I lived here and owned a building that looked like some of these, I would be mortified if my community told me their true feelings.
Lets ask the business community to take part in making a difference and actively start to improve their establishments. When that fails then lets protest.
I left a message for Doug a couple of days after the meeting regarding my inquiry about posting a 'for sale' sign on my property and the ordinance which no one seemed to know about prohibiting such signs on side streets. I have not received a call back.
Should I put up the sign and see what happens?
Open House - Sunday 9/4 - 12-4 PM
Dear justme,
This is getting very petty. It is abundantly clear to me that you are either intimately involved with the owners/ownership of 16 Bayville Avenue, a Village employee, or maybe a County employee (after all, you saw the letter, right?)
To address your dissatisfaction with my response to KM: I am not an engineer. If I was, I could have provided KM with a detailed solution. So my answer remains to spend the money and fix their antiquated sanitary system. I do not feel that I vilified the owners. In fact, I am showing incredible restraint. Oh, but you’re right, it was a rebuke.
At the end of your first paragraph you said that I needed to get my facts correct. Please, tell me fellow resident, the facts. Before you do, you may want to go to http://www.ecode360.com/?custId=BA0509 and read chapter code 46-4, 63A-9, and 64.
One last time, as recently as yesterday, Maria Alfano-Hardy responded to my FOIL requests in writing stating that the Village has NO DOCUMENTATION WHATSOEVER on file in relation to water samples. So, how, I wonder, did you see them? I asked you for your contact, so that I could see the letter that you speak of, but your post did not mention who it is that provided the letter. Maria’s letter also addresses the fact that no summons has ever been given to the owners of 16 Bayville Ave., despite dozens of complaints by me, other business owners and residents of Wilson Avenue, yet they DID issue Notices of Violations for all of the things that I have mentioned (illegal connection, staining the sidewalk, creating a hazard and illicit discharge). Does that fact qualify my argument as, shall we say, “one-sided”? Email me, I will meet you at the luncheonette and I will show everything to you, as well as pictures. I may even tell you a story or two.
BTW Yes, I have seen the pumping throughout this Village. There was a huge storm this week. I expect that some people will need to pump. For this reason, I have not made a single call to complain about 16 Bayville Avenue. I usually make my complaints when they pump during dry spells.
My email address is: kronzetti@yahoo.com. I’d love to see that letter. Otherwise, this exchange is over.
Hey Kelly, I noticed the Bayville Fire Department was pumping water out of their basement today while I was walking my dog. Why dont you call the town on them as well? You and Mr Pinkerton Obviously have something against the pizzeria. I walk by there all the time and see the stain. That iron stain is all over town from people pumping. What boggles my mind is that the Pig N Whistle has been a dump for 20 years and instead of you putting your energy towards cleaning that up you are going against a long time business owner who has a wet basement??? You are telling me Ralphs Pizza has fooled the town inspectors, Nassau County Health Department and Nassau County Public works??? What PROOF do YOU have that they are pumping "sewage"??? If they were not only would they be shutdown but man that stuff would stink to high heaven!
For those of you slamming Kelly Ronzetti, I have to tell you your either full of agenda or just plain stupid! All they ever tried to do was the right thing on that end of town. As simple truth, have you noticed that their building is 4 feet higher than the rest of the buildings on the strip? That's because the town REQUESTED them to do that if they wanted to invest in a restaurant there. So they did what no one else was requested to do and lifted the building, at great cost, to comply with the administrations wishes. Then they built the best looking building on that strip, only to be shut down for no apparent reason for the first 6 weeks of the critical summer season. This is just the short of it. They have complied to the letter time and again, invested more, then complied and invested again and again! Can Ralph's the deli, the Vet, Pig and Wistle, Steve's Pier One, etc done that? NO! How dare you bash someone who actually plays by the rules then gets kicked in the teeth for doing so - time and again.
You know what, I'm getting pissed and it seems everyone else is too, and if you know me, you know its not my nature. and I’m not comfortable feeling this way at all. Lets remember that we are a unique bunch that choose to live in our quirky little town by the bay that is so vunerable to nature's furry. We choose to do so because we love it so very much! Can't we all just get along and fix the damn problems that are so fricking obvious? I'm sick of being the armpit of the North Shore and being called out on it by our neighbors, (OB, LV, GC). 80 houses 4 sale. Unbelievable.
MORE TO FOLLOW - SEE NEXT POST.
Play by the rules?? What a joke! You must be related to Kelly because you sure are not fooling me. Why dont you go in back of that "best Looking" building and see the 4 illegal 30 yard containers that Kellys husband rents out to people. What about the dumping the landscapers do every season back there that is contaminated with pesticides and fertilizer? Wait, what about the illegal 2 family home Kelly's husband built years ago?? It looks like Brentwood back there. I used to live back there and was shocked at what I witnessed and what they get away with.
I owned a biz here in town for the last 3 1/2 years. My landlord was amazing at repairing my building, keeping it clean and free of defects. He put 12 - yes 12 septic tanks in the driveway, again, to comply with the towns, (selective?) wishes. This over expenditure on these septic tanks was way over the top and the job was done so well, (again at great cost) and they remain empty, even after this storm, Go check them - DRY! He spent a fortune DOING THE RIGHT THING! (Steve Minicozzi). There are others that care deeply and SPEND THE MONEY to correct their inherent problems that our landscape presents us with. Why is it not responsible for us to ask the same of at least the most obvious offenders?
It is indeed a privilege to have a biz in this town. Therefore, it's a responsibility to do the right thing for the town folk that support your business. That's how you run a successful business and actually HELP your town. I didn't do it because of some letter from town, some blog post, but out of INHERENT RESPECT AND RESPONSIBILITY to support those who supported me! Is that so hard to understand?
Now let's get our agendas out of our asses and put this thing back together brick by brick. I do not fault the Trustees at all. Great people, really.Think Oak Neck, Falcon Pride, Little League, etc. They do so much in and out of office. I don't blame Doug, though I believe he needs to kick it up several notches - now. I do blame US for not holding ourselves and our neighbors to a higher standard. Stop calling each other names, calling each other liars, taking sides and defending absolute stupidity! CLEAN UP YOUR TOWN NOW - and I'm talking to your conscious, not the Admin. They need our help not our beatings. These folks work for free - remember that next time you decide to point a finger. It is YOU that needs to act... Clean up your biz, help those that need your help and lets build our community back to it’s greatness together as good citizens – period. PS, happy to protest if that is what it takes. Doug, help us now before this gets real ugly – please!!!
AMEN! Please check out a page on Facebook that has been up for over a year. Revitalize Bayville. You will see many picture of what people are upset about.
Aileen Potter, I could not believe my eyes when I read your comment about "fishing in Bayville" Why in the world would you have to promote fishing when we are surrounded by water? Buy a fishing pole , ask a couple of questions and just look for the water...Are the newer people in Bayville that ignorant that they have to be told about fishing..People in this community have been doing that since the beginning. People complain that there is nothing for their children to do, well take the time to show them..Maybe go with them instead of complaining what other people don't do for them..Go to "You know you're from Bayville" on facebook...You will see how it used to be, a nice community, not people nit picking about every little thing from the Fire Dept, Village workers, the Mayor, business owners, all because I suspect that there are people involved that you personally do not like...If you think you can do better, run for Mayor, join the Fire Dept, plow snow during a blizzard with the equipment that Bayville has or be out there during a hurricane....Walk in people's shoes before you complain about the job they are doing...Be a real "community", not a divided one!!
we have mostly juvenile Raglefants. Rimtusse and Dovregubben - sometimes a Tussealadd wanders through - my grandfather claims he saw a Jotner in the Addirondacks once but I dont know if I believe that - he also made and "collected" Sasquatch foot-prints - casts - maybe he was just pulling my leg.
I can't comment on whether the government has a hand in keeping these creatures in balance - and especially how much they pay for it.
I also cannot comment on whether it is true that the community gardening proposal is connected to building a new preserve for them.
we have mostly juvenile Raglefants. Rimtusse and Dovregubbens - sometimes a Tussealadd wanders through - my grandfather claims he saw a Jotner in the Addirondacks once but I dont know if I believe that - he also made and "collected" Sasquatch foot-prints - casts - maybe he was just pulling my leg.
I can't comment on whether the government has a hand in keeping these creatures in balance - and especially how much they pay for it.
I also cannot comment on whether it is true that the community gardening proposal is connected to building a new preserve for them.
Maybe the raglefants,rimtusse,and dovregubbens should go play in the funcky water at ralphs.It looks like s--t,it smells like s--t.but it is really........pepperoni water!! that right....its pepperoni water.
Kelly,
It seems to me that you have a personal vendetta against Ralph’s Pizza. Irene made a mess in Bayville while it was there. From fallen trees, to flood damage and debris across roadways, many Bayville residents were pumping water from their basements into the streets. If you are going to report the facts that stick to them, I have been a customer of Ralph’s most of my life and find it deplorable that in good conscience you can say that Ralph’s is the ONLY business pumping water into our streets. Joe’s Deli and the Bayville Luncheonette are also pumping water and they are not on your hit list? I know for a fact that Ralph’s pumps only late nights and early mornings while other business’s/residents pump throughout the day. I find you to be biased. If you are going to fight this battle than be consistent (like the pizza at Ralph's) and report all of the businesses that are pumping.
please be reminded that this discussion started on 8-22. well before the last storm.this has been a stain on this community for years.not days.
Dear John P.,
I normally would not respond to a post like this, and in the future I will not. Your post is very personal and full of lies. Easy of course to do when you post anonymously.
No landscaper has ever paid to dump leaves on my husband’s grapes. The leaves serve the purpose of naturally mulching and acidifying grapes (which they like). I guess I never thought of leaves as being laden with pesticides and fertilizers, but maybe I should think about that. It seemed like the most delicate way to meet the needs of the grapes, of which, 30% were killed by being inundated with sewage that was pumped down the road from 16 Bayville Avenue in the Spring of 2010. Ironically, it is the start of this entire situation.
www.clemson.edu/extension/hgic/plants/...mulch/hgic1604.html
Nature produces large quantities of mulch all the time with fallen leaves, needles, twigs, ... Oak and beech leaves help to acidify the soil for acid-loving plants
Would you like to walkthrough the illegal 2 family? Of course I will need permission from the 1 family living in there. Furthermore, within the last 3 months we allowed the Village to do a thorough walkthrough of our rentals in response an anonymous claim that we maintained illegal apartments. None were found. Check with Jim Goolsby.
I am sorry that you don’t like the way it looks down there. Actually, I think it looks like everyone really cares about his or her homes. Maybe the storm has torn it up a bit, the water was quite high. In the end, the issue remains the same. Your problem with your antiquated sanitary system should not be your neighbor’s, your community’s, or the environment. Invest in your property and fix the problem.
Dear Sara,
I encourage you to go back and read the posts. I am not talking about pumping out water from Hurricane Irene. I invite you to email me at kronzetti@yahoo.com, I will meet with you to show you 18 months of documentation and pictures.
ms ronzetti - on an internet board i think you should consider posting your email as mynameREMOVETHIS@isprovidercom - that way "spiders" that crawl boards like this one will not pick up your true email address and you will not start getting offers from nigerian bankers. the trolls i deal with are not the only type of trolls to be concerned about around here
Dear Bridge Mechanic,
Thank you for the advice. I hadn't thought of that. It is not just bridges and trolls that you look out for! Have a great holiday.
Jamie,
Actually, there are only 45 houses listed for sale, as of today on MLS. We have lived in our west end home for 21 1/2 years and have never had to pump our basement even once!
"Lets remember that we are a unique bunch that choose to live in our quirky little town by the bay that is so vunerable to nature's furry." ~Jamie
It's those darn furry trolls that live under the bridge causing all the problems .... I knew it!
ha! that was a trick question! even i know the united nations doesn't have a vice president
bridge mechanic,
LOL! Actually, there are 21 Vice Presidents of the UN:
http://www.un.org/en/ga/about/ropga/prez.shtml
All - Please keep this thread focused on the topic. All IB entries will be deleted from this thread.
Lisa - I know you didnt post initial comment in this thread, but if you want your own thread on the blog regarding IB, please let me know and I'd be happy to set-up for you
What about a generic LVCSD thread?
Done
From the Village website, today 9/10/11:
MESSAGE FROM THE MAYOR - POST STORM UPDATE
The Village of Bayville continues its response efforts in the aftermath of Hurricane Irene. The Department of Public Works continues to pump the areas in need.
Is the Department of Public Works is pumping out Arlington Rd? If they are, wouldn't the Village attorney's statement at the 8/22 meeting be helpful?
From the thread introduction:
On a side note, an interesting statement was made by the new village attorney regarding the wall. He said something to the effect that, when determining responsibility, the court often looks at who has maintained the structure in the past.
Pumping is maintenance, no?
While people have good cause to be agitated from all this pumping, direct your anger toward the village and not your neighbors, for not providing proper drainage to this community. It is the number one concern in Bayville and as the ground water table is inching higher, it will only get worse. The village of Bayville needs to start now to come up with solutions. This needs to encompass the so called private streets. Mr. Mayor, we All pay your salary.
We need more from you than a compass rose in the middle of the street.
Do you have any idea what the Mayor gets in salary? I believe it is $2200/ year. It's basically a volunteer position.
This spring there will be 3 positions coming up on the Board of trustees. It seems that there are plenty of people that have all the solutions to the village problems. I suggest you run. It's easy to criticize from the cheap seats.
I will be addressing Arlington Lane on a separate thread very shortly.
Barry
Reminder , tonite is Village Board Meeting at 7:30 .. everyone interested in Village progress should attend ..
Cheap seats? I had to move out of this town because I lived in the "cheap seats" section of town. Couldn't handle the drainage problems on the streets. It is the duty of the government to provide a healthy, safe environment for the citizens.
Easy to criticize? What are taxes for. Look at the engineering throughout the Village. Take Salt Air as just one example. Good people have offered suggestions, hired firms to find solutions for the problem created by the Village approving the Salt Air original plan, which directly effects Arlington and Washington Avenues. Cheap Seats? More like Wet Seats.
Sorry you left town ... hey, at least you got a beach named after you .
ANY questions or concerns about waste, water, pumping, cesspools, etc. Just call:
Environmental Conservation Officers
Phone: (631) 444-0250, and/or 1-(877) 457-5680 for 24 hour/7 day a week dispatch.
Don't even bother with any other governmental body. NYS DEC will investigate it and prosecute...no bs involved.
Village Meeting tonight at Village Hall
7:30
Agenda listed on Village website, interesting topics.
I can't find the agenda, Taxed Payer. Can you attach a link? See you tonight!
Well the agenda doesn't mean much anyway as the mayor plays by his own rules .. There was a lot of good stuff brought up last nite , the gentleman regarding who's paying back the village for work on private roads But not Arlington , and his math calculations of fine revenue lost was really good , can't wait to see how this one goes ..I heard thru the grape vine the village is doing a water sample test with DOH on the Ralphs pumping , amazing it took 19months but finally after the Ronzettis persistance the Village is doing what should have been done a year ago , now we wait and see if the results will ever be public .I applaud Paul Rupp for standing up and telling us exactly what's been going on with the BFC, greatjob Mr.Rupp..unfortunately the village did not let it be known there has been a new advisory committee formed to look into the total impact of current zoning /use to find methods to protect the property owners who own those derralict buildings yet get them cleared immediately (the bandaide) until such time as new use/zoning can be voted on . It's a great idea and needs to be resolved ..
My opinion is Bayville needs to progress to the next level and stop trying to hold onto tradition that can't survive . Current zoning calls for retail and appartment rentals which just won't work .. No retail is coming to Bayville to open up shop , no doctors groups are going to move here , it just doesn't work . What does work and is common in many old communitiees that have struggled withthe same issues is , Ownership , high end Townhouse/condos that are available to those older folks looking to stay in Bayville but don't want the hassel of a lawn , and upkeep they just can't handle anymore . Thats exactly where an Archetectural Review Board and building codes would work well . Controlling size would eliminate over building yet creat a modern revitalized look everyone can appreciate .. It could also help some of the curent commercial properties that are struggling with renters and keeping their retail spaces afordable . If the Bev/Deli/Nail building could convert the appartments to Owner appartments I'd bet enough revenue could be made to really turn that building around. Some will say it will cause over building but that isn't true as there are certain rules regarding sewage that just won't allow that .. while in the grand sceme of things it would be great to hook up to a real sewer system I don't see that as an option for many years to come , but I do see a change of use being a major improvement to our villages quality of life .... I'd vote that in anytime as long as there are controls .. A lot has gotten accomplished since August and a lot of effort by many on the board working behind the scenes is helping , I just wish the mayor would let people know whats really going on ..like a secret water sample test , why not just say , the village will see that a proper test is done and end all the bickering ...til next time, Wataview
I agree Hank, the people showing up meeting after meeting will eventually send a message to the Mayor that this is not nonsense, we mean business.
In the past people have come, complained, yelled and then vanished. We need to keep the pressure on and keep asking the same questions until we actually get an answer.
Keeping the pressure on by attending open public meetings that are intended for the board to hear the pubic is the best tool we have as residents.
Next meeting is October 24th, please attend.
One would think it easier to actually move toward resolution of problems than be yelled at every 2 weeks. All of the issues are the same over and over- Why aren't codes enforced equally? Why aren't fees collected? Why does action take so long?
Dumbfounded,
I agree with you. If just once they would come to a meeting and preemptively say, "we heard your issues last meeting and we did some work and here is what we found, or learned or solved..." But, no this has not happened.
It is truly amazing to me the blank stares we receive from the trustees as questions like, what is the fine? What is the time frame for responding to a violation? How long does an abandoned burned out building stay without anything being done? How long is sewage running in the streets allowed? are asked.
Nobody has an answer. It is scary. Are they not allowed to speak or do they just not know the answer?
I think the whole board is in shock because for the first time a group of residents continually are showing up and they are asking real questions about real issues and they do not know what to do.
I happen to greatly admire alot of folks on this Board. What people like Al and Cathy and Pete have done for our youth sports programs in this town is amazing. I know these people to be truth tellers and real life do good-ers in all arenas of their lives. They are in it for the right reasons, of that I am sure.
With this as my 'real life experience back-drop', I am wondering if you are correct Taxed and others because it just seems like they have to be quiet about all these issues.
What really bothers me personally is that they seem mad at us or are taking it personally, that we are fighting for our town - like they fight for our sports programs. To me this is a head scratcher. I hold myself to a higher standard than I might normally, because of their examples. So why would they be mad that we are clearly upset, as a community, that our great little seaside community is in shambles and we are fighting to get it back? Just don't get it.
That being said, I (and you) have to admire what Paul had to say last night. I hadn't heard that one before, and it was a big reach, right in the middle of some of his best friends house. Responsible, (and what we expect). He is doing the right thing for Bayville. Friends aside. Sadly, it is probably at great personal cost for Paul.
These folks are at least up there, more than you or I are apparently willing to do. Therefore, I want to give them the benefit of the doubt unless proven otherwise.
So please Board of Trustees, understand that all we ask is for honest disclosure and a fair fight. PLEASE communicate with us so we’re not sitting here making fools of ourselves or worse, enemies of each other. I for one certainly won’t kick you when you’re down and I hope everyone is playing on the same field here solely based on what we ALL WANT, a better Bayville.