Locust Valley Central School District
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Posted by Admin at Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:04 AM 
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OK...so my orig post was deleted
Lets hear it for the LVCSD IB programme
Every IB student in 12th grade could NOT name the vice president of the USA!!!!
Shocking????
Glad we are spending 200 grand plus on this rigorous programme
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I've been wondering about this question. Why does the vice president of the USA matter? That question seems as relevant as who sang the national anthem in the Superbowl. Yes if the students read current events they may know, but I would argue being familiar with the ins and outs of Obamacare, Social Security, Tax policy, the concerns with IRAN etc would be a better pool from which to gather questions worth asking. We can look up the VP in two seconds on any phone.
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It was a great win for both Jr Varsity and Varsity football today
Good job to every player coach
Remove the IB programme and put that 200 grand into the sports programs
You can build a stronger individual with sports then with IB
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Actually, LVCSD is charging the taxpayers more than $200,000 for IB - the cost is closer to $300,000 when you add in all of the IB student registration fees, IB exams, IB advisor stipends, etc.
We the taxpayers cannot afford $35,000 per student, especially when all LVCSD is producing is mediocrity.
No offense to LV Football, but I don't want to see more money go to sports. I'd like to see the annual budget REDUCED.
Let's go for PAY TO PLAY (not just sports). It's big in other parts of the country.
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This school district is so bent on spending
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@Lisa "We the taxpayers cannot afford $35,000 per student, especially when all LVCSD is producing is mediocrity."
Does that include your daughter too?
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Lifer,
Not gonna bite on your personal attack. Discuss the topic.
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@ Lisa, Nothing personal, just fact checking. Beside, why you think it is "attack"? What's wrong with having an average kid? Are you an elitist?
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Lifer,
Yes, there is something wrong with having an average kid. Average doesn't cut it anymore in the real world. Go over the bridge for once in your life and go see for yourself. It's lazy parenting attitudes like yours that keep children from achieving great things in school and in life in general. You can call Lisa whatever you want, but it sounds to me that she is on top of her childrens' education. In the end, is there really anything more important??
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Lisa certainly is on top of her child's education and on top of the taxpaypers back by having us pay for her own child going to BOCES. Don't get me wrong. I am not against sending kids to BOCES. I am against someone then turns around and complains about per child cost high. I will tell you, if everyone child is sent to BOCES like Lisa's, the per child cost will be even higher. Hers is above the "average" per child cost.
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Wish LVCSD superintendent would learn from an all American kid that IB is not all that and that IB is not needed to grow a child into a worldly, well rounded, educated adult
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8CpON8VrRU&feature=player_embedded
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Pay to Play is the dumbest idea ever.
Children that want to participate in sports or clubs pay to participate?
That may work in other parts of the country because their school taxes are nothing.
Asking the tax payers to pay their taxes then asking them to pay additional costs when their children want to participate in an after school program is insane.
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Thank you, Patriot.
Allow me to blow "Lifer's" mind .... my SON (a 2001 LVHS graduate) also attended the LI School for Performing Arts! OMG! LVCSD sent BOTH of my children there!!! But guess what? Over the years, I also paid for private music, voice and dance lessons for my children. I would have gladly "paid to play" to send my children to LIHSA as it was an opportunity that they had to audition for and one they benefited tremendously from. Our kids had to purchase $50 tap shoes for the musicals, pay NYSSMA fees, $60 a pop for private lessons because LVCSD doesn't "sponsor" NYSSMA participants, contributed a dinner for the cast during tech week each year, fundraised for the Disney trip which is no more ... etc. My son was fortunate in that the baritone horn was one of the "free" instruments and I purchased a trumpet for my daughter, but most kids have to RENT their band instruments. That is truly "pay to play"!
I also PAID for my daughter's AP exams. So - in order to keep taxes from going up any higher, I don't see any reason why parents shouldn't pay for sports uniforms along with a transportation fee. You want your kid to take IB? Pay an extra $2500 or so to help cover the ridiculous unnecessary cost. Why should only the music/theater students be consistently hit with extra fees?
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@ Lisa,
Did your children took the school's Driver's Ed? Should taxpayers pay for that?
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LVCSD budget is huge
I think the BOE can cut but asking parents to pay additional costs when parents already pay taxes is asking too much.
Sports and music or theater are programs that should not be "pay to play"
Actually the BOE should write a bill asking congress to make sports a mandated class and when the budget fails sports should NOT be one of those programs that gets cut
It is a national health care goal to reduce childhood obesity and an 1 hour gym class every other day is not sufficient to reach the goal
I have seen grossly over weight children in LVCSD that have joined a sport and have dramatically reduced in size.
Imagine how that child because of sports has decreased his/her likely hood of heart disease and diabetes
Parents could pay for jerseys and equipment
And parents do pay for equipment with the exception of football
Although I had one child take drivers ed I don't think that this school district should pay for it. Drivers Ed should be an additional cost
How about cutting some bussing
Drop the IB program
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was there a public board meeting friday night? did anyone go? what was it about?
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Just checked the District site:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_of_Education/BOE_9-16-11.pdf
Other than that, there is nothing.
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I believe the last meeting was Wednesday 9/14, the next is October 6th.
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just talked to someone who received a meeting notice from pta. the board had a "public" meeting last friday night.
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that is a terrific evening to pick if true disclosure and transparency is your goal....
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what transparency? this is the first time the board ever had a meeting on friday night as far as i remember.
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5 days later, still don't know what happened. no one is allowed to talk about it.
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While we're at it, what about the bonuses all of the administrators received? We have no money for field trips anymore but they can sneakily give out "Administrative Merit Awards".
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keep passing the budget folks! show them that you are happy with what is going on....
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It amazes me that the board members are prohibited by the board officers from talking about what happened in a public meeting five nights ago. What are they hiding?
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According to the Board Actions from June, administrative bonuses were given before the new board took over.
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It gets better. The secret "public" meeting last Friday night was attended by all three new Board members.
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Board Announces Contract Settlement with LVSEA
‘Fair and Reasonable’ Settlement Helps District Respond to Financial Challenges
The Board of Education of the Locust Valley CSD and the Locust Valley School Employees Association (LVSEA) have approved a new four-year contract to replace the agreement that expired at the end of June 2010. The new contract will be in force through June 30, 2014, and retroactively includes the 2010-11 school year.
“We are all aware of the financial challenges and uncertainties that school districts and taxpayers continue to face, so I want to thank our teaching professionals for working with us to craft an agreement both parties believe is fair and reasonable,” said Mr. Jack Dolce, President of the Board of Education. “In the end, we have settled upon an agreement that helps the district respond in a better way to the challenges of decreasing revenues, new legislation limiting the tax levy increases, and ongoing taxpayer concerns over the level of school taxes.”
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I will tell my husband that I will have to start going to Friday night board meetings. See what I missed this time!
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Let's just put the idiotic comments about the BoE meeting to bed right now. The District's announcement makes it perfectly clear to anyone with a foundation understanding of the english language that Friday night's meeting was a CLOSED DOOR, EXECUTIVE SESSION. It was never designed, nor can be be viewed or scrutinized by the public. Seeing as how the District just came to an agreement with the teacher's union, one can logically assume the meeting involved ironing out the final contractual details.
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NotanIdiot, you can not be more wrong about what you said. The BOE can only vote and take action in public meeting, which they did on Friday night. No vote can be taken in executive session. That is the way the law is.
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Should I assume you are trying to articulate that the BoE held a "meeting in public?" The BoE NEVER holds "public meetings." There is a stark difference between the two, and you would benefit greatly from understanding the differences.
If your answer is "yes" then you are partially correct. In order to go into executive session, there most be a vote by the Board to end the "meeting in public." It is a procedural matter, and in this circumstance probably went something like this:
The seven board members and administrators sit down, a motion is brought to the floor to end the meeting in public, and go into executive session. The motion is seconded, and then voted on. Conservatively, that "vote" probably took a whopping ten seconds.
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Wow, they voted on Friday to accept the settlement. I for one feel we should vote all those bums out! :rolls eyes: Give me a break. Since personnel matters are never discussed during a meeting in public, (a contract is a personnel matter) public participation or viewing of the vote is a moot point.
Summing it up:
-Meeting in Public held to vote on teacher's settlement.
- Contracts are personnel matters, they are not open to public scrutiny.
- Settlement is voted on, and a vote is taken to go into executive session.
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I just called the District and it was confirmed to me that the Friday night meeting was a Public + Executive Session meeting. The attending Board members VOTED in the Public meeting part of the Friday night meeting to accept the settlement.
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NotanIdiot, what I said about "public meeting" is more precisely "meeting in public". It was confirmed to me that the Board went into ANOTHER public meeting AFTER the executive session, and then those attended VOTED to accept the settlement.
Summing it up:
- A meeting in public took place on Friday night and the Board voted to accepted the new teachers contract.
- The actions took place in meeting in public on Friday night was not disclosed to the public till late Thursday of the following week.
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I was just away for a couple of days and missed all the exchanges.
"Contracts are personnel matters, they are not open to public scrutiny."
A contract is paid for with taxpayers money. It absolutely should be open to public disclosure. A personnel matter is something pertaining to a specific personnel. The teachers contract is not personnel matter.
One thing I don't understand is why such secrecy, why Friday night? Why did the Board President call a Board meeting on a Friday night?
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My friend on the Board did not attend that meeting. I was told that they almost could not have a quorum. One would think something as important as the teachers contract deserves a full Board and a full house when it is being voted on.
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Stop the nonsense and silly conspiracy. The Teachers union told the administration early in the week that the teachers would vote on the contract Friday afternoon.
The union asks the administration for Board approval as soon as possible after the teachers vote. As a courtesy the Board called a meeting Friday night to approve the contract.
The vote itself must take place by meeting in public. My understanding is that the vote was the only item on the agenda. Six board members were able to attend, the seventh member was on vacation. The Board accepted the terms of the contract 6-0.
Prior to the vote the Board meet in executive session, where only certain well defined topics can be discussed. Negotiations are one.
The entire contract is a matter of public record and a statement outlining the terms of agreement is on the web site.
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Whoever "Teacher" you are, you seem to know everything that the public does not. My question is how did you know all these insider events? No one says it is a conspiracy. The public is only pointing out the board's lack of transparency. Nobody is against the teachers. Based on what you posted here in this blog, it still does not explain why the board had to call a meeting on Friday night with at least TWO members absent.
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To Anon 4:17AM
The Board meet Friday to ratify the contract that the teachers ratified that morning. Nothing secret about this.
Also six Board members were at the meeting. A matter of public record. Where do you get nonsense that "at least two Board members were missing"
The vote to accept was 6-0. Also a matter of public record. I have heard teachers and parents discuss these points. What planet are you on.
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I am a taxpayper on the same planet where locust valley central school district is located. The meeting was taken at a time to avoid public participation and comments. Since "The vote to accept was 6-0. Also a matter of public record.", where do I find that? Can you name the six members who were present since you have access to the public record.
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Noticed that the blog posting clock is off by about one hour. It is strange!!
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The meeting took place to accommodate the request of the teacher union to vote as soon as possible after the union vote. Teachers tell us this.
What public comment would the Board be seeking to avoid?
I asked an administrator who from the Board was at the meeting and was told the entire Board except Erika who was on vacation and the Board voted 6-0 to accept. This point was discussed by parents the entire week at school events. it is no secret.
Why don't you get involved in what is going on and stop throwing around lies.
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Amazing! There are three "different" posters, "Teacher", "Know", and "Parent", claim the vote was 6-0. How interesting! Eventually, the school will post the voting in Board Actions. We shall see what the true story is.
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Eventually, you will know because you are uninvolved in the school. Involved parents already know the vote was 6-0. Why don't you ask an administrator or Board member.
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Anonymous - involved,
Because of your post which is the 4th post stating that the vote was 6-0, along with the other three: "Teacher", "Know", and "Parent", I just called a board member and was told there were 5 board members attended the meeting last Friday night. Have no idea where vote #6 came from, absentee ballot maybe? Is that allowed?
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Who cares? The Board voted to ratify the contract. End of story.
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It is our tax dollars. We have the right to care.
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Actually, the vote was 5-0. Erika and Carl weren't there.
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i dont know much about these things - i am grateful for my job which i know taxpayers pay for so i try hard to do it well - but i wanted to say i don't think erica or carl being absent had anything to do because of the Tusseladd that had gone missing - i finally found him taking a dust bath in a big crater he must have scratched out of the road near valentine beach.
thank you.
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dear bridge mechanic,
We are grateful for the fine job you do! Now about that Tusseladd ...
http://havardjohansen.blogspot.com/2010/10/troll-designs-1-tusseladd.html
Are you sure what you found wasn't just a house guest of one of the more well-renowned families from down there?
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In a particularly bored moment, I decided to take a look at the recent LVCSD Board Actions. Two things jumped out at me. First from the July organizational meeting, the first for the newly elected trustees:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_Actions/July_Actions2011.pdf
Designated: The Oyster Bay Guardian, Newsday, Oyster Bay Enterprise-Pilot, and Glen Cove Record Pilot as
the official newspapers for the publication of all legal notice
Here we go again! Jack Dolce being allowed to have a hissy fit because The Leader didn't endorse the incumbents or the budget. Wah, wah, wah! Are we the Oyster Bay or Glen Cove school districts? LVCSD is not designating the only LOCAL LOCUST VALLEY paper for its legal notices???? Shameful.
The second item comes from August:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_Actions/August_Actions2011.pdf
Approved: Following 2011 Summer Curriculum Writing Staff: School - MS Department - IB
Course - Foreign Language
Staff -Eleonora Aiello, Scott St. Denis,Valerie Portente
Duration - 3 hours each
Why are MS staff writing curriculum for HS IB?
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Lisa,
Did you noticed one thing different about the posted July organizational meeting board action minutes? There is no voting tally. Who voted Jack Dolce in as board president again? Everyone? Who voted to exclude The Leader?
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C thru LV,
I could be mistaken, but I don't think that's anything new. What LVCSD posts to its website are called "Board Actions". They are not "technically" the Board Minutes which are the documents which should contain the recorded votes. Those you would have to FOIL separately.
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Lisa,
Thank you for explaining the difference between board actions and minutes. I did not know one has to FOIL to get the minutes. Aren't board minutes part of the public agenda of the next meeting and the board has to publically vote to approve it?
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C thru LV,
You are correct, at every Board meeting, the Board votes to approve the Minutes from either the past one or two meetings. The Trustees receive a copy of those Minutes in their Board package and we have to hope that they read them to make sure they were correct before they vote to approve them. On rare occasions, you will hear a Trustee request a correction to the Minutes before voting to approve. However, I cannot recall ever seeing a copy of the Minutes prior to Board approval.
As I have worked with school districts around the country, it is fascinating to compare and contrast how different Superintendents and BoE's handle their public meetings and procedures.
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Lisa,
You really know everything. Someone told me we now have a new board, or three new board members, things will change. So far, I have not seen any changes. They voted for the same guy, who forever wants to be the board president for whatever reason (no more kids in school). Nothing has changed.
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The BOD President hasn't had children in the school in five years. He does it because he cares about the school district and the community. There is no personal gain other than the satisfaction of making Locust Valley School District better. We are a very good school district and it's about time we praised the BOD members for doing a good job during tough econic times.It's a thankless and extremely time consuming job!
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Timmy G.
Who are you talking about, the old board or the new board?
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I'm primarily talking about the old BOD, but I have nothing negative to say about the new BOD. It's too soon to tell. Yao Chu was an excellent BOD member and it's a shame that he wasn't able to stay on board, but the leadership of the President will keep things moving in the right direction.
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I would like to know are you even talking about the LVCSD?
Have you walked down any of the halls in either the high/ middle schools on any given day? Do you see where all the tax money goes too?
So as you walk down the halls and look in the classrooms, you have the kids throwing things and talking, all the while the teacher is trying to teach! Oh and yes those also trying they're best to actually hear and learn during all that!! And yup AP/IB classes!!
As i walk down the halls i wonder why I am the only one who see's this because apparently no one is stopping it!
Oh did you notice those pretty comfy chairs and couches they put in the new guidance department? But yet while all those kids need to wait for the bus they have to sit on the ground?
Makes so much sense right? Because we all know in how overcrowded the guidance dept get EVERYDAY!!!!!
Have any of your kids played tennis? Or soccer? Not 1 seat for parents to watch their kids! Yea we can bring a chair and hey i don't mind but did we really need a new tree? In front of the school to make it look prettier?
Priorities a little messed up i think!
Oh website! Has anyone read the letter from the principle? Go take a look!!! Its from 2009!
Yet they can up a copy of the booklet they mail to every family that moves into the school district, that they can update!!!
Yea go walk the halls and see what really goes on! Have coffee with a principle, sit in a meeting, actually have at least 1 child with an IEP then your eyes then open up! Because before that my other children were AP/IB yea i sat as they got awards! Thinking best effort? Does that mean the poor child sitting next to them dudnt give there best??? How would they know such a persinal thing?????
Ok i really need to stop!!!!!
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C thru LV,
I know George Stimola did not vote 'aye' for Jack to be President.
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Lisa,
Do you know if the new board member Charlie Murphy also voted to exclude The Leader?
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It's my understanding that everyone but George voted for Jack Dolce. The Board needs good, solid leadership and Jack meets the criteria better than anyone else on the board at this time.
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Tommy G.,
Such as hire his classmate to negotiate with the union?
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What is the difference. The guy is qualified and he did a good job. If he wasn't qualified, then you have reason to complain.
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Tommy G.,
What's the difference? I am trying to get my son a job and he is more than qualified. Unfortunately, I am not the BOD President. Do you get it?
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C thru LV,
I am sorry, I do not know.
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I'm usually pretty good with acronyms, but will someone please tell me what "BOD" stands for?
There needs to be a restructuring of school districts on Long Island, From what I have heard, Suffolk County is proposing exactly that. If we were to merge Nassau County into 5 or 6 large districts, we could slash tens of millions in Superintendent and Assistant Superintendent salaries and benefits overnight thus helping to keep taxes down. Did you know in Island Park, their Superintendent gets paid $230,000 to run a single elementary and middle school?? That's OBSCENE! And a BoE for two little schools? RIDICULOUS!
It is unfortunate when Board Trustees who managed to get elected to the Board become so entrenched that they consider the district their personal "fiefdom" and the Superintendent as their personal "god" whose every command should go unquestioned. As this past election has shown, it may take a number of years, but the people eventually say, "Enough! YOU are supposed to represent US!"
I would recommend writing to Mr. Murphy directly and ask him how he voted on The Leader issue. Perhaps as a new Board member he was unaware or didn't notice that the paper was missing from the line-up.
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Lisa,
While I was waiting for your posting, I did asked around. As far as I can tell, every single vote taken this year has been unanimous with the only exception of George Stimola present but did not vote for Jack Dolce as President, and Erika Bruno and Carl Friedrich were not present at the teachers contract vote. I have not seen anything different with this new Board of Education.
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C thru LV,
I cannot comment on the Teacher's contract as I am unfamiliar with what the hold-up was, I'm just glad that they won't be wearing their union shirts to class anymore. So personally, I don't have a problem with the new members voting to approve the contract. I have heard that the SRP's are still without a contract. These good employees, many of them local Moms, do a lot of the grunt work without any glory and deserve a fair contract, as well.
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Sadly it's not just the BOE hiring friends, our own Supt. has stocked the building with her former cronies....ask around and you'll see the number of incompetent administrators, teacher, psychologists, etc. being hired who have affiliation with one or both of the "Hunderfunds". And the sad thing is that several are unbelievably ineffective and will most likely get tenure as they are "yes" men and women. Also, it seems as though hiring committees are a thing of the past. Ask members of the PC, PTA, etc. and not one parent was asked to sit on any interview committees this year, yet new people were hired.
I find it very interesting that an entire year under the old BOE that the teachers' contract couldn't be settled, yet, two months of the new BOE and voila, a new contract. I have also heard the the current BOE president (in addition to hiring his friend to negotiate the contract) makes frequent comments at Falcon Pride meetings as to how the teachers are over paid. You have to wonder about those sort of things.......
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anon,
the old boe has said in public meetings that everything (implying about the teachers contract) was based on the two percent tax cap. the unions have said in more than one occasion that the two percent tax cap would never become law. one week after the last election, the two percent tax cap became law and thus helped to settle the teachers contract. it has nothing to do with anything else.
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Here are the Part 100 regulations for NYS Shared Decision Making:
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/part100/pages/10011.html
This is THE LAW. If LVCSD is breaking THE LAW it is incumbent on parents "with standing" to file a Commissioner's Appeal against the district and demand compliance.
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It you read the press release on the teachers contract outlining the terms of agreement the teachers settled for essentially a zero percent salary increase while maintaining guaranteed increase in steps and lanes stemming from the triborough law.
It seems, as best I can tell, the structure was shifted so for some years a lump some increase was substituted for the steps and lanes. I assume this was done so the teachers who were no longer eligible for an increase would get one.
This is a very good contract for the district and the teachers would have never settled for this if there wasn't a 2% tax cap.
Credit to the old board for holding firm until the tax cap was passed. And apparently. the new board members, once they looked at the numbers realized the old board was being fiscally responsible. The teachers union may have expected support from the new board members but it is clear they didn't get it.
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Sandy,
With the 2% tax cap, what support can the unions expect to get from anyone? You can see the teachers union really cared about education by bombarding the public with voting all incumbents out. The next item on the chopping block is repeal of the Tri-Borough amendment, NY is the one and only State that has it. Explain to me why NY is so different.
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Naturally, we the tax payers, pay for this. We live in one of the most liberal states in the union and as as result we are forced to cut the number of teachers who teach our children but we are taxed to support the education of illegal immigrants
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The agenda, proposed by the state education commissioner, John B. King Jr., to the Board of Regents, has as a top priority a proposal to push Congress to pass legislation that would provide a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who go to college. Included in that legislation, known as the Dream Act, is a provision that would give students who are in the country illegally access to tuition assistance at city and state universities. The agenda is expected to be approved.
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Thought I'd share my NH op-ed with the locals:
http://concord-nh.patch.com/articles/op-ed-international-baccalaureate-in-the-merrimack-valley-school-district#_=_
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Lisa,
I was hoping you have sold your house by now so the rest of us can have some peace. Maybe you ought to join Occupy Wall Street or something. Just get out of here.
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Be nicer than that. You do not have to read the posts.
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Anon,
I've been trying very hard to sell my house for the past 5 months to get away from a-holes like you, haven't you seen the Open House signs almost every weekend?
Are you really so stupid you think I would be with the OWS crowd? Put your money where your mouth is and buy my house if you want me gone so bad, you anonymous creep!
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Special ed in lvcsd is a travesty. Children get passed through, some on honor roll, with test readers that basically do the test for them. Why? So that they get into college. The stats on who cant complete year 1 dont show. It all about how we look in the papers. Hopefully with rich miller back things will change.
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Not to sure about Rich Miller, altho i did have a nice 1st meeting with him, until you start to ask for what is rightfully yours, because you do pay taxes for it, yet for some reason they don't tell you whats available until you speak with other parents and are shocked to find out that he never offered it as an option!!!
But when you ask for what is rightfully yours, they supply it, BUT not unless you find out about it first!
So i think after that yea HE will be like all the others, and the like rest of the school district!
Hiding things from us parents!!!
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I'm just hoping they pass that house-buying visa incentive for foreigners so I can advertise that LVHS is an International Baccalaureate World School! Lots of Iranians with money!
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The problem is that the ONLY thing the school district now cares about is PR. Why do you think we know employ a PR person? The powers that be really don't care about the kids it's all about the dog and pony show we can put on. We may be pretty on the outside, but we're rotten to the core on the inside. All of these esthetic reparations mean nothing. Ok..we definitely needed a new walkway in front of the HS, but give me a break with the elaborate brick work and the giant planter in the middle. And every school did NOT need a new parking lot. The guidance suite must have cost over $250,000 and it's hideous. And what's going on by the gym is completely pretentious. I know it was "donated" but come on....what school needs 5 giant flat screen TV's to show pics of former and current athletes? Then there's the new tutoring center in the HS that was once a computer lab. Why was it redone? I know it had asbestos and its removal is necessary but the room should have been left as a computer lab. Each project done just to make us "look" good. And the administrators getting bonuses last year was a joke too. How much was given out? What was the criteria for receiving a bonus? Where is all of this money coming from when you know come the public budget meetings our illustrious superintendent will be moaning how we don't have any.
The kids are being tormented with tests, tests and more tests. Why do you think the school now pays for the IB and AP tests? So parents don't question why a student is taking an AP test for a course we don't offer at the school. Wake up people.....honors means nothing anymore, the honor societies are a joke because everyone gets in....there is no more honor or integrity left in the district. Things need to change.
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It was an "HONOR" when i was geowing up to be in the honor society/ classes!!!
The best of the best! NOW in LVSD right everyone gets in!!! What a joke!!!
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Minor correction Anon - WE the TAXPAYERS are paying for all of the IB/AP exams, not the "school" to the tune of $100,000 annually. This practice only started 3 years ago. Hmmm, what else happened 3 years ago? Oh yes, the Anointed One was elected. Spread the "wealth" around, right? Except why is Joe taxpayer paying the exam fees for the wealthy kids from Lattingtown and Brookville? Hmmm?
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The LVCSD Spin Zone
It's always amusing to read LVCSD's "spin" on district stats, the ones LVCSD "chooses" to release, that is. Check out the link to the last 5 yrs. of SAT scores under latest news:
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/
Why not the last 10 yrs? Hmmm? 2006 was the first IB Graduating Class. What was the 'mean' SAT at LVHS before IB?
Then we have Principal Kieran's IB report to the Board:
"The International Baccalaureate Update was given by High School Principal, Dr. Kieran McGuire. He indicated that the overall participation in college level courses continued at high levels in 2010-2011 and continues to grow. The number of IB Diploma candidates has increased to 21.6% of the Senior Class
with 32 students achieving an IB Diploma in 2011. He gave an overview of the rate of success comparison for English, American History and Math Studies courses as well as the Extended Essay and Theory of Knowledge results. Dr. McGuire concluded that even though there has been an increase in numbers of those participating in the IB Program due to open enrollment, a high level of passing
consistent with past years has been maintained.
A "success comparison"? Comparison to WHAT? If you look at the TOK and EE grades, they still pretty much suck royally so I guess being slightly less suckie is success...
Btw, LVHS has NEVER hit the 40 IB Diploma recipients Richard Shear originally boasted of in Jay Mathews' book Supertest.
Get rid of this abomination of a program!
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Anon
I could not agree with everything you posted!!!
Except why is it when there is a child with lice a letter and email goes out, but asbestos in the school and not one letter goes out?
A bit odd!!!!
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
The big union blow-up rat parked opposite the HS with the sign about asbestos was the type of community "communication" LVCSD seems to prefer. Nothing to see here .... move along!
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Funny about that *rat* most people and yes sadly parents who drove by never knew why it was
There! But they ASSume it is all ok because the kids are back in school???
I bet if you took a poll MOST of the parents do not know about the RAT!!!
But they do know about lice!!!!
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They never knew why The Rat was there? Please don't tell me our local parents are really THAT stupid. How sad.
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Name calling is really not becoming!!!
Odd i suppose when NOTICES do NOT go out regarding asbestos NO parents would not know, unless you actually have a need to drive past the school while the RAT is out there!!! Unless i confused you with my reply from the previous post?
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The RAT is welcome in this union town. We like our unions. We voted three of union backed (and paid for) candidates to represent us on the boe so they can get the contract they want.
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
**It was an "HONOR" when i was geowing up to be in the honor society/ classes!!! **
How sad when someone claimed to come from the "HONOR" society/ classes post something like this.
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Yup there we have it again a " grown " up acting like a child yet again!
Then we wonder why the kids behave the way they do?
Ashame!
Now if you go back and reread my post without anger in your intent, aside from a TYPO (oh sorry) please forgive me? I never said * I* was in the HONOR society? I said when i was gRowing up *it* was an honor..... Do you see the difference? Or else i would have said when I was in the honor society!! But that i did not say!!
Do you have a better understanding now?
And really who are you so angry with to pick on something so little as a typo and start belittling people?
Please
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Anon,
Once again, just because the teacher's union "endorsed" the four challengers and not the incumbents does not mean that our newly elected Board Trustees are going to kiss the union's a$$. Speak for yourself when you say "we like our unions" and don't lump me in with your we!
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
Wake up to the real world before you criticize. When I grew up, it was a real big deal to go to college. Today, 90%+ of our graduates go to college. Is there anything wrong with that?
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Anon,
And what percentage of those 90% actually graduate college in 4 years? What percentage of that percentage are landing jobs in this disastrous economy?
Perhaps, just like there are Special Olympics, there should be a Special Honor Society.
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Just sayin, but all this talk about honors and advancing the "kids" and stuff!!! Did you all hear about the fire in school last week? With what i believe to be a 7th grader in a 9th grade class?
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I saw a blurb in the Leader about a fire in a chemistry lab involving Middle School kids and my first thought was, "Why are MS kids in a Chem lab?"
Chemistry is usually taught in 11th Grade.
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Lisa,
"And what percentage of those 90% actually graduate college in 4 years? What percentage of that percentage are landing jobs in this disastrous economy?"
Did you graduate college in 4 years when the economy wasn't as bad and jobs were abound?
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Anon,
Actually, the economy in the late 70's under Jimmy Carter sucked. My husband and I bought our first house in Bayville when we were 21. How many 21 year olds do you see buying homes now?
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Many in the current 9th grade take chemistry and geometry. In 10th they will take Algebra II/Trig and Physics. The students all took algebra and Biology in 8th grade at the MS.
I believe it is to free up schedules so more students take the IB diploma program.
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anon,
That still doesn't explain a MS student in the chem lab.
LVHS doesn't offer any AP Physics, AP Chemistry or AP Bio and I'm sure there weren't any MS students taking the AP Bio exam in 8th grade. Somewhere in the mix, I believe the students also take Environmental/Earth Science. LVHS has flipped the science sequence head over heels in order to accommodate IB's 2 yr. HL courses .... for what? So that more students can FAIL the IB HL science exams than PASS?
http://truthaboutib.com/images/LVHS_IB_2011.pdf
Why does LVHS ignore the value of the SAT II subject exams? The sequence USED to go:
Earth Science
Bio
Chem
Physics
This was designed to correlate with the increasing degree of difficulty in the maths. 12 students took HL IB Math and only 3 passed with a grade of '4' which is not even recognized for credit by MOST U.S. Universities, even thought it is a HL exam!
Stop ruining the futures of LV children!
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The injured child was a 9th grade student. He is younger because he was moved up either one or two grades when he was in the intermediate school.
in June, 2011, the 8th graders took the biology regents at the end of 8th grade. For 9th grade for this school year - students had the choice of earth science or chemistry. I think the "honors" type students chose chemistry.
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The injured child was a 9th grade student. He is younger because he was moved up either one or two grades when he was in the intermediate school.
In June, 2011, the 8th graders took the biology regents at the end of 8th grade. For 9th grade for this school year - students had the choice of earth science or chemistry. I think the "honors" type students chose chemistry.
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Anon,
Moved up one or two grades in Intermediate school? In THIS district? I find that HIGHLY unlikely. LVCSD is adamantly opposed to skipping grades.
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And now that the U.S. has stopped funding UNESCO, can we PLEASE get LVCSD to stop spending our taxdollars on IB which is an NGO of UNESCO and subscribes to all UNESCO goals and ideology? Time to stop supporting an organization that supports TERRORISTS!
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4142143,00.html
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LISA ANON IS CORRECT....HE WAS MOVED UP
ALSO I AGREE WITH LISA....STOP SPENDING OUR TAX DOLLARS ON THE IB PROGRAMME...HERE IS THE PROOF THAT UNESCO IS ANTI AMERICAN AND SO IS THEIR IB PROGRAMME
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And you see my point, pushing the KIDS beyond where they should be!!! Just because a child shows "brains" 2? Grades? See what happens? The school district wants to push him through and he gets burns because in actuality he never REALLY belong there to start with, BECAUSE while book smart he still was mentally to young to be in a class with chemicals!!!!
Lets keep pushing!!! I had the pleasure of sitting in a entrance exam and interview at a private school ( local) and what there policy was they rather have you be where you are academically, they you struggle and get lower grades then where you should not be!
Because the more you go around to all these private schools in the area and the good ones you'd think would push AP btw don't offer IB feel not worth it not enough colleges in the states look that as they do AP..... They would rather have you EXCEL at the level at you are AT, then the level they WANT you to be!!!
Oh and when you walk throu there halls there is no talking in the classrooms!!!
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Lisa - you really should speak to the parents of kids in 8th, 9th and 10th grades to get a sense of what is occurring. I believe the current 10th graders all took algebra in 8th grade. And the current 9th graders took alegbra and bio in 8th grade. Not sure what the current 8th grade is taking. When my child was in 8th grade in 2010-2011, there was one child that I know that was moved from 8th to 9th, and there were others who took both algebra and geometry at the same time. From your comments, I beleive that you would be surprised as to the number of kids who are encouraged to take more difficult classes. I do not know if it so that the students "get ahead" in credits to free up time for IB or if they just want to keep the "honors" students from becoming bored in class.
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sorry for typo - *believe
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Everything has become a "smoke and mirrors" illusion. Students who fail a course now don't attend summer school...they attend "summer support" where they come to school for two hours a day for a week and miraculously pass for an entire year. Cutting is rampant in the HS. Induction into the Honor Society is a joke. I heard a rumor that the middle school isn't teaching social studies this year. Anyone know anything about that? And there are class sizes that are above what was approved by the BOE. Wake up people.
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Seems to me I called out LVCSD on its "smoke and mirrors" way back in 2004. I also seem to recall we were only spending approx. $24,000 per student back then.
Is the education LVCSD delivering worth $11,000 more than what they were providing in 2004? And don't forget, enrollment has declined by a full 2%.
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So that SS thing got my feathers up, so i ask my middle schoolers, and they informed me, that yes they in fact do have SS, and being the mom i am i said what's the class called, bc at times they have different names! But to my surprise it was social studies, but one did say world history?
So we can rest knowing yes they have SS!
Hs 24/26 avg
Ms 14/28 avg
Now those were the honors classes
Esp middle school with the wide gap!
Regents Hs SS 30 and they keep coming in needed more desks!
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I do my 1 of my children took her LE regents without ever taking the class? Now thats messed up! Because they felt she could pass the 9 th grade regents in 8th grade so she never had to take the class, and it was then at the private schools is when we found out that it was not how it works u still need to take the course because just bc u can pass the test does not mean u had the full yr of learning!!!!
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Haveyouwalked,
Actually, there is a little known rule that if a student pre-takes a Regents exam and scores an 85 or higher, they can receive credit for the course in NYS.
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/part100/pages/1005.html
Alternatives to specific Regents and local diploma requirements.
Credit by examination. A student may earn a maximum of 6 1/2 units of credit for either a Regents or local diploma without completing units of study for such units of credit, if:
the student achieves a score of at least 85 percent, or its equivalent as determined by the commissioner, on a State-developed or State-approved assessment pursuant to section 100.2(f) of this Part;
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They administered over 15 different AP exams this past May when we only offer 3 or 4 AP classes in the HS.
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Actually Anon, your information is incorrect. As you can see from the official AP exam results which I obtained through a FOIL request, only 4 AP courses were actually taught in LVHS, two of those were tested in 10th grade. The other 9 AP exams were taken independently by 2-4 particularly motivated and bright students.
http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/iblocustvalleyny.html
Why should the taxpayers pay for exams for courses that aren't even being taught?
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Wow
See now unless parents are willing to do all this research, how would they have any idea of any of this?????
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Haveyouwalked,
The parents and taxpayers of LVCSD have blindly accepted LVCSD's rhetoric regarding what transpires in its schools for years. Those of us who dig for the truth are labeled troublemakers, someone with an axe to grind, having an agenda , etc.
LVCSD should post the AP and IB annual exam reports to its website. PERIOD. LVCSD should also place its check registry ONLINE. PERIOD. Doing both of these things would open up a world of transparency without costing the taxpayers a dime.
So why hasn't LVCSD done those two simple things?
Whatcha gotta hide, LVCSD? Apperently, wasteful spending and lousy exam results.
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Lisa,
What nonsense !
The LVCSD has three independent financial audits a year, all presented publicly at Board meetings with the auditors presented to answer questions from the public. Of interest, at the last presentation the audits complimented the district on its outstanding financial management and pointed out that the district's tight financial controls secured an AA1Bond Rating, the SECOND HIGHEST among the nine designation conferred by rating agencies. The rating is higher than NY State and Nassau County bonds and the same as the federal government, which has taxing powers. Only two of the 128 school districts on LI have a rating this high.
The upgrade saves the district hundreds of thousand of dollars in interest expense over the next several years.
Academically, the district with a 98% Regents graduation rate and a 78% Advanced Regents graduation rate is among the highest on Long Island and the state. Additionally 82% of the 2010 graduation class took at least one IB or, the inferior but still advanced, AP courses.
Lisa, since you foiled the IB results you can tell all of us how the school did. Of course, those of us who attend Board meetings already know.
Also, at the last Board meeting NYS presented the district a special award for academic achievement. Apparently, LV was one of only 22 among the 879 school districts in the state in which every varsity team was designated a scholar athlete team.
Yes, nothing is kept secret, the results are public and best of all the school is well run financially, and academically the students are among the highest achieving in the state and nation.
The results are all verifiable.
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Anonymous seems unable to separate nonsense from fact.
Nonsense, is LVCSD failing to share IB/AP exam results with the public.
Nonsense, is some LVCSD cheerleader coming on the Bayville Blog and lying about the AP offerings in the HS.
Nonsense is hiding behind claims of wonderful paid audits while refusing to put the district's check registry online.
Nonsense is spending our taxdollars on advanced exams.
Seems to me I've heard a lot of "chatter" from long time LVHS parents of the need to get rid of Regents exams altogether.
When you add FIFTEEN (15) points to an IB GPA - no wonder all of LV's varsity teams are "scholar athletes". What a joke!
Yes, everything is a big fat secret unless you FOIL the actual documentation. Get over yourself, jack.
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From what i have seen and heard myself, i believe the LVSD likes to Puff themselves up, and those who have fallen behind are pushed " sneaked" through!
When i need to call a school that has SUCH high ranking, as to why a my child is barely passing a class, with extra services from the teacher, and a child does not understand why " when they finally are about to understand" the subject they move on so quickly to the next phase??
Odd thing as i spoke with other parents,
Who had similiar issues, they were told by the LVCSD that they could hire an older child from the school as a tutor for 20.00$$ lol
Gotta love that!!! Only in a school district that loves themselves!!! LoL
Well when they heard i spoke to the head of that dept and said it was there job to TEACH, i expected my child to come home with more then a 65 on that regent!!! Apparently with him the (head) my child PASSED!!!
Are they joking me? I did inform him though that 65 is guessing right on that multichoice question!!!
So he looked up my child schedule and they are getting overhelped!!! But not UNTIL i had to call, so yeah they would have just been pushed through the system!!
I'm thinking they perfer to hang with the smarter kids, and help them succeed more then the ones that need the extra help!!! Shame on all of them!!!
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So Lisa tell us the IB results. Are you hiding something? I and others heard the results at a Board meeting early this year.
Most LI high schools weight grades the same or higher than LV. Jericho for one weighs grades higher. I know, I am a Jericho teacher and the parent of a LV student. Yet these schools are NOT Scholar Athlete Schools.
The audits are independent and certified, and as Anonymous said the rating agencies rated the districts finances AA1.
It would be silly and naive to put a check registry online. it tells you nothing. In fact, there is a specific audit to check the accuracy and veracity of checks.
The state demands Regents exams. It is not the school's choice. However, given the fact that the state requires them the school performance is excellent.
Good for the school allowing poorer parents the opportunity to let their children take advanced courses.
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Is this how they score a quarterly exam in 2011?
They take all the test scores from the quarter, and knock off the lowest one! Then if the higest is oh we'll go with a 90, so if it's a 90 they replace the low one with the 90 so that give 2/ 90's = 1 real = 1 not!!!!
To me that = cheating??? On the teachers part?
Waiting for p/t conference!!! With that one!
I know when i went to school there was no getting rid of bad or low test grades?
I remember the day last yr when my dd called me from SS class, bc her teacher wanted to know about this place i had mentioned to her, to see if he remembered it growing up! So he had her call me from her cell phone during class, to talk to me? Odd i thought!
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Belief,
LMAO! Am I hiding something? Uh, nooooo. I believe I had posted the 2011 results at least 2x on this blog but since you are incapable of tracing back or going to the LV page of my website, I will post them again:
http://truthaboutib.com/images/LVHS_IB_2011.pdf
576 IB exams administered and only nine (9) '7's' achieved? .... 36 Extended Essays and Zero (0) 'A's', 10 'B's', 17 'C's' and 9 'D's'? The EE (for which we pay a stipend to an EE Supervisor) is supposedly the IBDP's "premier" feature.
1 'A' in the TOK essay? Seriously?
The highest Diploma score earned was a 35. Not enough to be considered for admission to Oxford or Harvard.
The 'mean' diploma score once again was '29' - not enough to earn sophomore status at even SUNY Binghamton.
"It would be silly and naive to put a check registry online. it tells you nothing." ~Belief
Maybe it tells YOU nothing because you seem incapable of research, but it tells the public what checks the district cut the previous month. When it comes to issues like IB where administrations try to bury the costs and out and out lie about the dollars spent, the public can click on a link on the district's website and review what was spent without having to waste the district's time and resources by FOILing specific purchase orders. Once again, if the district has nothing to hide, there should be absolutely no issue with this sort of transparency which would cost the district nothing to provide.
Here's an example of how it is done in the Haysville, Kansas district where sadly, IB was just approved by a 4-3 vote.
http://www.usd261.com/BOE/packets/11-12_Packets/October2011/10_17_11_Payables.pdf
"Good for the school allowing poorer parents the opportunity to let their children take advanced courses."~Belief
Uhhh, who said poor kids couldn't take advanced courses? Only LVMS even registered as a Targeted Assistance Title I school - our HS doesn't even have 10 kids that meet the Free and Reduced Lunch provision. And if when those 10 MS kids make it to the HS, if they need financial assistance to pay for an AP exam, The College Board will offer a reduced fee. We also have The Big Guy Foundation which I'm sure could pick up the tab. Stop forcing the taxpayers to pay for the exams on which we are getting LOUSY results!
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Money is being wasted in so many ways....roof of gym not finished due to firing of crew (happens on pretty much every project)....roof leaked on gym floor, kids can't play gym indoors until at least Dec....won't be done in time for basketball...heard the person in charge of the buildings does this all the time and actually has his own lawyers from district.....In response to the poor decision made last weekend to play the homecoming game which sent our own LVCSD students to the hospital the phys. ed. dept. goes out and spends thousands on stuff for cold weather instead of just saying "sorry for the stupid call next time we'll think of the kids first"...It's all a farce....the lies abound in the district and things are made to appear good, but in reality there is no integrity left in the district at all...
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I don't recall you posting the IB results on this blog and I am certainly not going to your website for information.
So to go beyond your surface or top line postings.
1- To earn an IB Diploma students must obtain a grade of "C" or better in either the Extended Essay or ToK but not both. It seems LV students with their open enrollment compare quite favorably to the selected enrollment requirement of most World IB schools. For example,
Percent of students scoring A, B or C in Extended Essay
2009 2010 2011
LV 64% 86% 78%
World 73% 75% n/a last I looked.
2- 32 of 36 or 88% of LV students earning an IB diploma is substantially higher than the IB World average.
Actually the academic requirements throughout my career demanded quality research, which prohibits selecting discrete information to bolster a preconceived biased view.
Relying on a check registry and not sound accounting principles and independent audits is one of the chief reasons the financial scandal was possible at Roselyn. Without auditing checks we learn little. Indeed the administrators at Roselyn had checks written to non existing companies.
However, if anyone were interested the monthly claims audit, which is essentially an audited check registry is available at the administration building. It is a complete wast of time to enter this level of detail on line,
Financially transparency occurs not through a check registry, which is easy to manipulate but through independent audits conducted by registered public accounting firms subject to required accounting and financial rules.
Finally, the point you fail to understand but has been repeated over and over by the Board and Administration is the primary purpose of the IB Program is providing advanced courses to ALL students to better prepare them for college. It is why the school has open enrollment and encourages all students to take an advanced course in a subject of interest. It is the reason the administration of 576 exams is the real success of the program.
As more and more schools enroll in IB I think you will need to find a new obsession. One idea you may find interesting is a subject brought up in the liberal media and totally misunderstood, The issue of income disparity in the United States.
Actually income disparity is a consequence of freedom and growth. There is no income disparity in the Middle East, Africa and most of the world because there is little freedom to pursue a better life. In Europe socialism dissuades growth and results in mediocrity and hence small income disparity.
Income disparity exists when Steve jobs creates breakthrough new products and hundreds of thousands of new jobs and raises the standard of living for million. However, since he also created $6 billion in wealth for himself the gap in income betwee
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I don't recall you posting the IB results on this blog and I am certainly not going to your website for information.
So to go beyond your surface or top line postings.
1- To earn an IB Diploma students must obtain a grade of "C" or better in either the Extended Essay or ToK but not both. It seems LV students with their open enrollment compare quite favorably to the selected enrollment requirement of most World IB schools. For example,
Percent of students scoring A, B or C in Extended Essay
2009 2010 2011
LV 64% 86% 78%
World 73% 75% n/a last I looked.
2- 32 of 36 or 88% of LV students earning an IB diploma is substantially higher than the IB World average.
Actually the academic requirements throughout my career demanded quality research, which prohibits selecting discrete information to bolster a preconceived biased view.
Relying on a check registry and not sound accounting principles and independent audits is one of the chief reasons the financial scandal was possible at Roselyn. Without auditing checks we learn little. Indeed the administrators at Roselyn had checks written to non existing companies.
However, if anyone were interested the monthly claims audit, which is essentially an audited check registry is available at the administration building. It is a complete wast of time to enter this level of detail on line,
Financially transparency occurs not through a check registry, which is easy to manipulate but through independent audits conducted by registered public accounting firms subject to required accounting and financial rules.
Finally, the point you fail to understand but has been repeated over and over by the Board and Administration is the primary purpose of the IB Program is providing advanced courses to ALL students to better prepare them for college. It is why the school has open enrollment and encourages all students to take an advanced course in a subject of interest. It is the reason the administration of 576 exams is the real success of the program.
As more and more schools enroll in IB I think you will need to find a new obsession. One idea you may find interesting is a subject brought up in the liberal media and totally misunderstood, The issue of income disparity in the United States.
Actually income disparity is a consequence of freedom and growth. There is no income disparity in the Middle East, Africa and most of the world because there is little freedom to pursue a better life. In Europe socialism dissuades growth and results in mediocrity and hence small income disparity.
Income disparity exists when Steve jobs creates breakthrough new products and hundreds of thousands of new jobs and raises the standard of living for million. However, since he also created $6 billion in wealth for himself the gap in income betwee
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Belief,
Why do you insist on spewing misinformation about IB? Your pt. #1 is incorrect:
http://www.ibo.org/documentlibrary/regs_ibworldschools/documents/DP_regs_en.pdf
Grades A (highest) to E (lowest) have been awarded for both theory of knowledge and an extended
essay, with a grade of at least D in one of them
In other words, a student can score an 'E' (our 'F') and a 'D' and still qualify for the IB Diploma. Wowee. Those sure are impressive grades!
Again, your resistance to fiscal transparency is disturbing. If checks are being written to a non-existent company, shouldn't the taxpayers be able to bring something like that to the attention of the NYS auditor? The district has those reports available for Board members (or at least I hope they do), you have no sound and reasonable basis to object to putting the check registry online. Unless you believe LVCSD should be able to hide its payouts. In this age of wasteful spending, it may not necessarily be an ILLEGAL expenditure, but something that LVCSD could do readily do without that is not benefiting the students.
The real purpose of IB is to dumb down the entire HS and rave about kids who really can't write worth a darn but who earn the IBDP. The real purpose of IB is to promote the IB "philosophy" which is the adoption of UNESCO goals. With the US and Canada cutting off funding to UNESCO, I think it's high time we cut off funding to IBO as well. 576 exams with only 9 top scores of '7' is a disgrace. I'll bet dollars to donuts the student who scored the 35 is the same student who took 4 or more of those 9 independent AP exams. And if it's who I'm thinking of, it wasn't just IB that got him into Harvard.
IB's growth at the Diploma level is fairly stagnant. 74 schools have DROPPED IB in the U.S. since 3/09.
No income disparity in the Middle East? Are you on drugs?
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Belief,
I'm rather confused about your little rant about income disparity. How exactly does that relate to misinformation about IB and lack of fiscal transparency? I mean, is this your idea of a segue?
"As more and more schools enroll in IB I think you will need to find a new obsession. One idea you may find interesting is a subject brought up in the liberal media and totally misunderstood, The issue of income disparity in the United States."
You lost me. How about linking a specific article to give me a clue as to what is going through your head.
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Lisa,
You are correct regarding ToK and EE. What I meant to say is that to contribute points toward the IB Diploma a student must score at least a "C" in one of the two. A student can earn up to three point from ToK and EE . So for whatever their reason IB puts a lot more emphasis on the core academic courses.
More importantly, and as I posted, LV's scores, even though the district has open enrollment, are consistent with the IB World Schools.
Since a check registry can be manipulated (Roselyn) it is NOT considered a transparent source. In fact it can be misleading as it carries a false sense of security. No institution, organization or business serious about fiscal oversight and accountability would consider reviewing a check registry as credible financial oversight. Your claim to the contrary is to be kind is naive.
For that reason a claims audit, which verifies the veracity of the checks is sometimes set up. The audit is much more complete than a simple registry. LV ACTUALLY DOES A MONTHLY CLAIMS AUDIT, and it is available at the district office. You can review it, as I have, anytime. In my opinion It is unnecessary and a total wast of time and money to put this extensive information online but who knows maybe in the future the Board will do so.
I'll check my research but I remember the number of IB schools increasing every year going back 5 yrs. or more.
Income disparity is a measurement monitoring changes in income for different economic classes in a country over time. It is not relevant for totalitarian states, like in the Middle East, since the disparity doesn't change.
The point is liberal complain that income disparity between the rich and the poor in the United States has increased since the 1980's. My point it may have and that often is a good thing because it is the result of freedom and growth. My example was Steve Jobs of Apple.
Steve Jobs creates breakthrough new products and hundreds of thousands of new jobs and raised the standard of living for million of people. However, since he also created $6 billion in wealth for himself the gap (disparity) in income between himself (the wealthy) and others grew.
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Belief,
I cited the regulations for the "award of the diploma". Nowhere does it say a 'C'. It says that both the TOK and EE must be submitted and at least one grade of 'D' or better must be attained. D, not C. Do you even know what an E stands for? ELEMENTARY!
Who CARES what IBO's "worldwide" average is? It is a fringe, commie, UN program that does NOT belong in American public schools.
Maybe you'll enjoy reading my latest blog post:
http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2011/11/ib-diploma-so-last-century.html
Did I recommend doing away with other regular audits? No, I did not. I'm sure Roslyn's check registry was not online when Tassone and $12M went AWOL. I'll say it again - if LVCSD doesn't have anything to hide, it should have no issue putting the check registry online. Costs the district nothing and demonstrates transparency. That you continue to argue against it sure makes it seem like LVCSD has a LOT it doesn't want the voting public to be able to look at from the comfort of their own homes.
I have no idea what your ridiculous rant about income disparity has to do with IB, transparency or LVCSD.
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Lisa,
Your research is limited and I'm not going to do it for you. If you search you will find the matrix that awads IB points for ToK and EE. When you do you will see a diploma candidate can get up to 3pts. from Tok and EE but will get none if he/she doesn't get at least a "C" in one.
You claim to be an IB expert and can't verify this? Please!
Talking about a check registry online as a transparent financial document verifies that you are financial neophyte. If you want someone to take you seriously I suggest you take an Accounting 101 course. By the way, since you are totally oblivious, a claims audit has within it a complete check registry. So if you want to see how much the LVCSD spent on each item each month all you need to do is review it.
Why is it that IB keeps growing in the US and worldwide?
Income disparity has nothing to do IB, transparency or the LVCSD. I though a semi-abstract academic subject might help you transition from basic lower level concrete reasoning, which causes obsessions on lost causes like IB to a subject which requires some conceptual academic thinking and which interest many conservatives. However, you are obviously limited and stuck at a very primary level.
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Disbelief,
I have had just about enough of your insults, your defamation and your ignorance. For the FINAL time, here is the amendment to the IB Diploma which took effect in 2010:
http://www.ibo.org/documentlibrary/regs_ibworldschools/documents/DP_regs_en_amend.pdf
'D'. Not a 'C'. 'D'. Now you can either link an official IBO document which states otherwise - or shut the hell up.
Same goes for online check registries. You obviously are aware of something LVCSD has to hide. Put up or shut up.
A special thanks to all of our Veterans for their service on this Veterans Day and to one particular veteran, patriot and gentleman I am proud to call my friend, MSG. Ronnie White:
http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2011/11/christians-uniting-for-political-action_11.html?showComment=1321020881849#c266401082699100278
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The Bayville Village Board should consider a referendum to buy a certain person's house. Maybe then a certain person will finally move and take his/her conspiratorially driven ideals with him/her.
I will bring the idea up at the next meeting.
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Hi Lisa,
Nice to heat from you.
There is more information which details how diploma students get credit for ToK and EE. You need to access it.
LVCSD is not hiding anything. As I said, but you are obviously incapable of understanding, is that the check registry is contained within the monthly claims audit. Every check is not only listed but has been audited for veracity. Please take an accounting course and stop making a fool of yourself.
The number of IB schools keeps growing despite your best effort to the contrary,
Sadly, you appear incapable of discussing abstract issues and need to limit your conversation to concrete lower level reasoning. Even more revealing your comments uncover and disclose a limited capability seeing issues as only black or white.
When confronted with someone challenging your shallow statements you always sink to emotional confusion resulting in name calling. A clear characteristic of not only emotional malady and infliction but a limited abstract reasoning capability.
Have a nice weekend. and good luck with IB and blasting LVCSD. The conversation is boring and I need to move on to something more challenging.
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And now, I shall address the arrogant, condescending, self-aggrandizing, rodomontade spewed forth by the anonymous coward who calls himself "Belief". This poster could be a female, but Belief's writing style projects a male voice.
"Income disparity has nothing to do IB, transparency or the LVCSD. I though [sic] a semi-abstract academic subject might help you transition from basic lower level concrete reasoning, which causes obsessions on lost causes like IB to a subject which requires some conceptual academic thinking and which interest many conservatives. However, you are obviously limited and stuck at a very primary level."
Is that what you thought you were doing with your fallacious and nonsensical attempt at distraction from the topics at hand? Your pseudo-intellectual arrogance and demagoguery of "concrete reasoning" (something which you clearly lack)to allegedly help me "transition" to your Marxi-t obsession with wealth redistribution, is laughable.
Lacking the guts to sign your name to your elitist ruminations, you have ZERO credibility. What are you afraid of, Belief? Being laughed at in public? Afraid your kommissar kangaroo kitsch will cause you to be shunned by the Conservatives among us? Surely you're not afraid of little 'ol me!
When someone is WRONG on the basic facts, any attempt at deeper critical thinking falls flat because they will arrive at their conceptual conclusions based on misinformation. Such is the major flaw with Progressive/Marxi-t thought. The refusal to accept the FACT that sociali-m and Keynesian economics are historical failures leads these snobs to keep trying to force their failed beliefs on those who know and live the truth.
It's people like Belief who have ruined our schools and produced an entire generation of college graduates who sadly, think camping in Zuccotti Park and blaming the rich and banks for their student loans and inability to land a job represents an important "movement". Unfortunately, OWS more closely resembles a bowel movement and carries with it the same offensive effluvium.
My children and I refuse to play victims or allow the Left's ad hominems any impact in order to enable and empower those who wish to destroy this great nation. We have faith in God, faith in our own talents and abilities to know the difference between right and wrong and the passion and convictions to stand for a positive, productive future as American citizens. We will not go away. We will not give up. Truth will prevail.
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A Communi-t Idea,
Why don't you get your comrades to pool their money and but it yourselves? Oh that's right, because you are gutless, spineless parasites on society and expect government to do everything for you.
Let me remind you that our U.S. Constitution is still in force and I am willing and able to enforce my 2nd Amendment right in self-defense should you come up with another "bright" idea which might include stepping foot on my private property.
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no! i am not moving no matter what! the sunrises are too nice thank you.
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Now bridge mechanic, you know everybody likes you! Bayville couldn't survive without you.
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Lisa,
Goodness, I already knew you had a workable vocabulary however, it appears your reading comprehension is also limited.
it is quite clear from my explanation of income distribution that my political views are quite conservative. Only someone limited by a psychological ailing, indisposed, narcissistic personality could read otherwise.
Your vitriolic, malevolent, venomous remarks indicate a deep seated maladjusted dysfunctional, irrational personality trapped by the ability to effectively reason only in Maslow's lower level Hierarchy of Needs.
In words you may understand, you are deeply insecure and the malignancy is severe. Berating others provides temporary relief but the infliction always returns.
Denigrating and disparaging IB provided short-term comfort but eventually you must confront the source of your insecurity. No doubt something dramatic from your youth.
Good luck and best wishes on your journey.
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LMAO! Let's see, I post under my real name, provide links to back up my statements and am recognized as the "most intelligent IB critic in the country" by the Washington Post and Belief .....
.... Belief is some anonymous coward who has really and truly lost a grip of reality and who is so self-righteous and thick-headed that he refuses to see what is right in front of him. Quite sad, actually. I will pray for him.
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Here are some facts about IB LVCSD does not share. It starts out with PROOF that IB will increase college costs for most graduates, enjoy!
http://myinclinevillage.com/2011/07/31/what-all-parents--students-should-know-before-enrolling-in-ib.aspx
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How will the LVCSD pay for IB now that the US has cut off financial support to UNESCO?????
Since Palestine, a terrorist state, has been voted into UNESCO the US will not send 70 million to the United Nations Education Science and Cultural Organization, UNESCO.
UNESCO runs the IB programme.
UNESCO can not operate without US financial support
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http://conservativetalk.org/2011/11/07/obama-accused-of-sexual-harassment-at-harvard-law-review
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No wonder Lisa doesn't want to talk about the IB's growth. The number of IB Programs in the United States increased almost 40% in the last 5 years. There are now over 1300 IB schools in the United States
When LV introduced the program in 2005 there were only about 500.
Lisa you are doing a magnificent job curtailing IB's growth.
http://www.ibo.org/iba/countryprofiles/documents/UnitedStatesCountryProfile.pdf
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Anonymous,
I'll be happy to discuss IB's pathetic "growth". In 2005, there were 540 IB DP schools. In 2011, as of today, there are 744. So in 6 years, IBO was only able to scam 200 HS's into purchasing its inferior programme. Considering there are approximately 20,000 public HSs in the U.S., IB still accounts for less than .04% of HS's in the country.
Over 16,000 HS's offer AP.
Seems to me our school taxes have risen more than 40% in those same 6 years.
The IB PYP and MYP are NOT curricula. Please don't even try and lump those purely indoctrination programs into the mix.
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Remember in 2004 when Robin Collitri from SouthSide HS told us that "ALL of the TOP high schools on Long Island are CLAMORING for IB! ........... remember that?
Let's see, in 7 years, the only other HS in Nassau County to "turn" IB has been Long Beach (and I'm pretty sure the $1.3M from the 2009 ARRA helped that along). Long Beach HS has made this year's NYS list of schools that still "need improvement". So I guess that means that it dooesn't count as one of LI's "top" Hs's. Hmmmm.
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/education/106-li-schools-on-needs-improvement-list-1.3311270
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Wow, what an interesting site. What is exceptional is the increase keeps growing.
I was surprised to read that though the number of IB schools while still small( but growing fast )represent such a large percent of the top schools.
This really opened my eyes.
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Anon,
Are you referring to the "top schools" as determined by Newsweek (Jay Mathews' FINAL list in Newsweek in 2010 before it was sold in a fire sale for $1?)
What a joke!
A true Marxi-t love-fest. It disgusts me. Newsweek "We're All Sociali-ts Now" and its shills for the NWO can bite me.
2012 can't get here fast enough!
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"What is exceptional is the increase keeps growing."
Exceptional? Guess what else has kept growing? Our Federal deficit which is approaching $15 Trillion. Guess what the Anointed One packed into the 2009 porkulus bill, (ARRA)? Over $10 Billion for Title I schools which implement "innovative programs". This is nothing but social justice on steroids on OUR TAXDOLLARS and it must be stopped! Now that UNNESCO funding has been cut off, we are working on getting legislation passed which will prohibit the expenditure of U.S. taxdollars on IB.
This oh so altruistic, humanitarian, internationallyminded organization is only still in existence because it has been sucking up the Obama "stash". Why do you think IBO moved its "global centre" to Bethesda MD? I hear that IBO is over $100M in the red for its recent office expansions to The Hague and MD. I guess Jeffrey The Plagiarist Beard will have to buy a 4th house now.
Having a VP of the National Council of La Raza Chair IBNA Board is also a very politically "neutral" appointment, wouldn't you say? Combine that with the funding from the Aga Khan's Network and yes, I know I'm up against a LOT of money and power held in the hands of a TINY company. IBO has less than 400 employees.
If IB was the outstanding product it claims to be, ALL of the best private schools would be IB. IBO wouldn't need to be the parasite it is on U.S. taxpayers with over 40% of its "worldwide" schools concentrated in the U.S.
IB is unproven
IB is unreliable
IB is untrustworthy
IB is proprietary
IB is an NGO of UNESCO.
IB must go!
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IB is to education as Solyndra is to "green jobs".
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I had no idea IB was penetrating and growing so quickly. I think these are programs too. IB doesn't allow schools to just take a one off course.
This from the link above.
Over the past five years, the total number of IB programmes in the US has
doubled. The MYP and PYP have expanded exponentially since 2005,
and the DP has also continued growing at a fast pace.
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Trust,
Do you know how many PYP schools there are in the U.S. as of today?
297
Do you know how many public elementary schools there are in the U.S.?
approx. 40,000
That equals .007% of U.S. public schools OR, in other words, statistically insignificant.
IBO mandates that the PYP be implemented SCHOOLWIDE - in other words, there is no opt-out for students who attend that public neighborhood school.
There are zero reports proving that the PYP or MYP do anything to improve student academic performance.
IB PYP and MYP are a total waste of money for non-academic, social justice programs.
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We falling student achievement in NYS for the last 40 years and an ineffective State Regents and Dept. of Education, I am glad there is finally an organization, IB, that provided hope for the future.
I didn't realize it was growing so quickly in the Uniter States but I guess when you witness the steep decline of education in the United States it is time to look elsewhere. Clearly the model provided by the College Board and AP is not working.
It is comforting to know our School District realizes this. My only question is when will they implement IB in Middle, Intermediate and Elementary schools. For the sake of our children the sooner the better.
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Anonymous,
"We falling achievement"? What is that supposed to mean? Are you incapable of writing basic English? No wonder you are so enamored with IB as the Emperor with no clothes - here to save the day and indoctrinate the children.
Got Euro-envy much?
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NYS and the Department of Education have failed our children miserably. it is time for change. I am tired of hearing about the United States placing so far down the country lists in every category.
I don't know if IB will work but I know what we have now doesn't. We have been placed at a competitive disadvantage in a world wide economy.
I will ask Parent Councils to speak with their memberships about IB and asking the Board and the Administration to consider IB at the lower levels.
I don't want my child at a competitive disadvantage with the current "core curriculum" mandated by the federal government and the outdated formats dictated by the College Board.
Forty years of failure is enough.
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Anon,
I'm sorry to say, you are an idiot.
I will agree that the NYS Dept. of Ed has been a miserable standard bearer, especially when it comes to Math, but your complaints of what you "tire of hearing" are simply moans and groans from left-wing ideologues who want all the comfort of the teachers unions and the rewards of students who work really hard.
Are you talking about TIMMS? (I suspect you don't even know what that is, go look it up) To compare the U.S.A. to a country like Norway when it comes to education is absurd!No other country in the world has to deal with educating so many illegal aliens or with such a diverse population.
Why would you want to waste another (let's see, 5 more sites), that would be roughly another $750-800,000 a year for IB? WHY?
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Btw, what "outdated formats" are "dictated" by the College Board? You seem to have your dictatorial non-profits mixed up. The College Board's product, AP, is transparent, flexible and open to all. IB is inflexible and proprietary.
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Our educational system is broken, and everyone acknowledges it.
Reading, Math and Science scores are down in grades 3 to 12 and have been for over 20 years The College Board has dummied down the SATs since the 1970S and still scores are dropping.
Our Doctorate Programs in the hard sciences are now over 50% attended by foreign students and Apple recently opened up two new factories in China citing the lack of qualified engineers to manage operations in the United States.
IB would be a dose of fresh air and it certainly can't be worse than what we have now. Eduction is a national crisis.
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"IB would be a dose of fresh air and it certainly can't be worse than what we have now."
IB is stale 1948 sociali-t air. There's nothing 21st Century about IB.
Have you checked on the state of the EU lately?
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IB can not grow if the US has cut off UNESCO
UNESCO depends on the 70 million to run their programmes like IB
Sorry folks no money to UNESCO means no IB
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http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/?p=3016&mid=52
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So at the IB meeting at the school lastnight. the stats are this according to LVCSD!
the kids who took the IBD average was 4.7
low is 4 high is 7 which is RARE! so 4.7 according to schhol is llike a c?
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Haveyou,
Eh, you can't really equate it that way. The IB Diploma is awarded based on a range of 24 to 45 points. LVHS has consistently averaged a score of '29' for its diploma recipients.
This is not great. Schools like SUNY Binghamton and Towson University require a 30 or higher to award sophomore status. Ivy League universities or Oxford/Cambridge in the UK want scores of at least 37 or higher to be considered for admission.
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HELLO....IB IS BROKE WITHOUT US DOLLARS...LVCSD CAN NOT RUN THE IB PROGRAMME.
IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A FEDERAL CRIME IF LVCSD CONTINUES TO RUN THIS PROGRAMME SINCE UNESCO VOTED IN THE PALESTINE STATE
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Dear Anonymous,
Although IB has formally agreed to promote UNESCO ideals and philosophy in its programs and is an NGO of UNESCO, IB exists as a separate non-profit. If you recall, I had attempted long ago to obtain a ruling from the NYS Commissioner of Education regarding the legality of spending U.S. taxdollars on a program which operates under Swiss Law, something the Commish begged off on claiming I had "no standing" at the time since my child was not enrolled in the program. This cop-out was later featured in the Eagle Forum, but in my mind, never resolved. http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2006/may06/IBSchools.html
It is up to the parents and taxpayers of this district to demand that LVCSD stop spending our money on IB. Let it be known that those who support IB and its operations, also support terrorism.
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the gist of what all the students who spoke the other night was that IB made them all become better time managers as the workload seems to be harder. I think thats a good thing, and will definitely benefit the kids when they go to any college .
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@KM
LMFAO
ANYONE THAT SUPPORTS AND TAKES ANY IB CLASS IB IS SUPPORTING TERRORISM
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ANYONE WOULD WANT TO SUPPORT AN ORGANIZATION THAT SUPPORTS A TERRORIST STATE
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Hitler's youth corps had great time management skills too
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yeah today I went fishin for the elusive BayvilleMoronFish, caught a pretty big one but I bet there's still bigger ones out there. Lets see what this cast yields.
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I spoke with an admission director when my son was accepted to Cornell a couple of years ago. She said don't quote me, as I need to work with all applicants, but IB is though of most highly. Apparently, some universities are more forthcoming.
IB programmes have been recognized and praised by admissions officers at a variety of prestigious colleges and universities.
Christoph Guttentag, Director of admissions at Duke University, has stated that “one of the advantages of an IB curriculum is its
structure and quality. It’s a coordinated programme, well established, well known and well respected. We know the quality of IB
courses, and we think the curriculum is terrific.” According to Jim Crowder, Director of admissions at Macalester College, “the IB
offers an integrated curriculum that provides students with the skill needed to be world-class scholars, and an educational phi-
losophy that prepares them to be first-class citizens. I do not know of a more comprehensive and appropriate learning model.”
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uPzsiWdvLoQ/TKMs-HeOt3I/AAAAAAAADSM/4Hbi7V11fOA/s1600/apartheid3.jpg
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Rather than looking at what IB offers for your children how about looking at where it is coming from!!!!!
Do all of you have your heads so deep in the sand that you have no idea at what is going on in this world today and for the past decades?????
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL6JK55ql1E
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And imagine its That same AMERICAN constitution that WON'T ALLOW God in schools? Maybe that is what the problem is? Wonder if they ever did a study when they seperated Church and state and said no more Prayer in school what actually started happening with grades, morals, respect? Because what i see from som of the posts here the way other's reply
It's NO WONDER
Children today walk through our towns in groups very disrespectful! Psshhh funny how everyone thinks yea those kids!!!!! Maybe just maybe they might be yours? Or your friends?
Or heck even mine, but the thing is, mine aren't allowed to roam the streets! Nope! I remember those days all to well!!!!
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Anon,
IB counts on shallow saps like you to accept 19 year old "hearsay" from college admissions officers, most of whom aren't even working at the respective universities. Why would you do that? How about the words of what sounded to me, like a very sincere IB student (this was on Tumblr)
A note on IB
The International Baccalaureate Program was the biggest mistake I ever made. I wasted time, money and even my own sanity on this stupid, useless, unknown program. Now that I’m in college, I’m having to take all of these horrible core classes, because I couldn’t get college credit through IB. I barely took any APs, and the ones that I did take, apparently don’t matter.
I worked so hard trying to get As in Physics and English and History that by the time actual exam time came, I was burned out and unable to exert any kind of effort into my work. I hate it. And I will forever regret having done it.
I don’t care how smart you think you are or how talented and knowledgeable or hardworking you may be. IB will do nothing for you. AP is more reasonable, and PEOPLE ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT IT IS.
I remember feeling so smart and confident in myself during Pre-IB. All of us IB kids felt this way. We’d look at all of the other ‘normal AP kids’ and feel superior. Well, guess who ended up doing better? There were so many horror stories. People dropping out like crazy. Some people not showing up for months. Nervous breakdowns! Do you know how many of my friends would tell me on a weekly basis that they could just break out in tears at any random time?
And anyone who had the guts to leave was seen as weak. Weak. I mean that just sums it all up. It’s like this everywhere now. Oh because China and India are ahead of us we have to start working like robots too. Freaking shut up. You think it’s all fine and dandy, then you take a moment and realize that all you’ve done is helped make your child unstable and in my case, depressed.
Yes, the majority of us graduated and went on to college, but I saw what it did to people. We all did a pretty good job of hiding it, but truthfully, it broke us. The saddest thing for me is that the truly brilliant ones, those who were good, honest and intelligent, the ones that I believe deserved to end up at Harvard and Yale—they’re the ones who were screwed over the most.
Forever bitter, and forever a hater. That will never change.
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Anon,
Your posts spoke VOLUMES!!!! thank you for being honest about yourself. and what you endured going thru the IB program. Although you'll still have those who think you were weak? But actually you are the strong one, and the brave one for Speaking up so others Do not have to go through what you did, and I thank you for doing so. I Pray you find peace that passes UNDERSTANDING!! human anyway!
Has anyone seen the film from the mother in california A race to nowhere?
it might be worth trying to see if any of the near by towns are showing it?
everyone is in a rush to get ahead? ahead of what? me? the next guy? Why? will that make u better? better then what? who? maybe smarter? smater then who? and why? to get a bigger house? nicer car? then me? then him? why? when do we say stop? when is enough enough?
when do we start helping those with less? those who suffer? who who are ill? those who spend endless days in a hospital waiting to see if their child gets better, using every medicine out their, yet know one go to their bedside because they are to busy trying to get ahead? we need to slow down and show compassion, empathy, what went wrong with the human race, have you seen the way some of YOU are speaking to eachother?
are you all angry at eachother over IB?
or can we treat each other with respect?
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Well this is interesting:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Agenda/10-19-11.pdf
2012-13 HS Course Proposals
October is an odd time to discuss that. When LVCSD brought IB into the HS, it used the exact same agenda topic in a January meeting. Could the Board be proposing the phase-out of IB?
Was anyone at the meeting? Of course, LVCSD hasn't posted the October Board Actions, so no info is available online.
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It is my understanding, based on what it perceives as superior results from the high school, Parent Councils are pushing the administration and Board to extend IB into middle school.
Supposedly, they have a lot of support and made a very strong presentation.
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Reasoning from the particular to the universal is a fundamental fallacy of logic.
The momentum of IB in this country is staggering. More and more schools adopt it each year. What is most impressive, is while only a small percent of high schools have adopted the program, thus far the percent of top high schools who have the program is very high.
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I have heard they are proposing to make everyone IB for English. Just a rumor, of course, as the truth is hard to come by..........
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The only people "staggered" by the "momentum" of IB in this country are the Progressive morons drunk on Kool Aid.
The MYP is NOT a curriculum and is nothing but a waste of money and additional international regulations on our public school. There is absolutely NO scholarly evidence to demonstrate that the IB MYP improves student academic performance. None, nada zip.
Did you read the post from the IB student, Anon? Doesn't the experience of kids who have suffered through this BS mean anything to you?
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Lisa,
As I wrote on my prior email reasoning from the particular (a student) to the universal (all or most students) is a basic fallacy of logic.
Beside I have literally spoken to dozens of IB students who sing the praises of the program.
IB will continue to grow and the rate of acceptance probably accelerate if for no other reason than the educational system in this is country broken and failing our students miserably.
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Anon,
You are an invisible nobody and your hearsay hearsay is meaningless.
IB will continue to decline (75 schools have dropped IB since 3/09) and fewer and fewer will seek authorization once the Progressives have been voted out in 2012. Right-minded Americans understand that we don't have money to waste on unproven, fringe programs with political agendas. Once the Federal social justice money is cut off, IB will be focusing its "expansion" efforts within Muslim countries (and the Aga Khan's Network) almost exclusively. Mark my words.
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I was at the " meeting" and as we watched the powerpoint and were told over and over again as mr bounospino? Well go over that "later" because he just rather go over the " powerpoint?
Ok here is where i felt the double talk came in, but the LVCSD is good at that! Lol
So they tell us the kids should really try for IBD bc they get 8 credits per subject that they will graduate college in 3 yrs , they get out earlier!
Ok up goes my hand! So but from my understanding i say many colleges in the USA do not recognize the IB program? Is this true? Plays a little stupid!!!
So dr mcquire responds with ..... Well first you need to see if the college ur child wants to attend does, but dont look at IB as a course that will get you out of college quicker, it is something that makes college easier for you to get through?
Ok either i totally heard wrong or they just double talked themselves!!!!
Parents had questions, legitamite ones and they THOUGHT it was best to have the kids in the the ib program now to answer them! To me they looked afraid to be real honest!!!!
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Haveyou,
That sounds fairly typical. IBelievers promote the IBDP as something that can earn students college credit (8 credits would ONLY apply to a 2 yr. HL IB exam which a student scored a '6' or '7' on) and sing the song of sophomore status, BUT - when a naughty parent like yourself DARES to question the validity of such claims, then IBelievers say, "Well, the point of the IBDP is really not to earn college credit but to become lifelong learners, develop higher critical thinking skills and be better prepared for university and you should really talk to the students to understand how wonderful IB is!"
Remember our 1st IB "vunderkind"? I won't name names, but he told me when he was old enough to vote he was registering as a Sociali-t and he ran for Student Council President as - "dictator". The kids voted for him because they thought it was a big joke.
IB is no joke. It has cost LVCSD taxpayers well over a million dollars so far. Mr. B. earns well over $130,000 a year to be the IB Coordinator, Model UN Club and IB Leadership Club Adviser.
Whenever the IB results are challenged, LVCSD boasts of the dumbed-down Regents exam results or the now defunct Newsweek rankings. Get rid of this anti-American, outrageously expensive program NOW!
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You had me laughing,
You actually repeated them exactely!!!
Sounds like youv'e been to those meetings often!!
Funny how lastnight i just found out how the football team gets all the equiptment paid for them, yet was it lacrose or field hockey doesn't could be both? Why is that?
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Haveyou,
I have had the pleasure and honor of being contacted by parents from across our great country with concerns about IB. As a result, I have been instrumental in encouraging parents to videotape these "IB Information Meetings". We have Facebook pages and many of these videos are making their way onto You Tube. What is interesting to me is how average Moms and Dads who completed college BEFORE THE INTERNET are teaching themselves how to use today's technology to expose IB's propaganda.
I will readily admit I'm no techno-genius. Everything I know I taught myself. I've taught others how to "screen shoot" pages which rapidly disappear off the Net to preserve for posterity. IB had the opportunity to grow from 2000-2008 when all of this technology was new and it was able to rely on its hearsay BS and Jay Mathews of Newsweek and WAPO to sing its praises.
I have faith that the majority of Americans are NOT as stupid as IB believes them to be. Of course, IF Obummer gets re-elected, I will have to change my opinion on that.
Oh and as to football, well, c'mon - testosterone, baby!
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Lisa,
Your quote: "IB WILL CONTINUE TO DECLINE"
Read below, as you well know the the growth in IB is exploding, doubling in five years. You don't even fudge the truth, you just tell bold face lies.
Over the past five years, the total number of IB programmes in the US has
doubled. The MYP and PYP have expanded exponentially since 2005,
and the DP has also continued growing at a fast pace.
2000 2002 2004 2006 2008 2010
DP
TOTAL MYP PYP
There are currently 1, 207 IB World Schools in the U.S., 1,100 (91%)
of which are public. All of these schools are implementing 1,367 IB
programmes (given that some schools implement several at once).
The Diploma accounts for more than half of all IB programmes in the U.S.
Only 11 IB World Schools in the country implement the entire continuum
of IB programmes, and five of these are public: Discovery Canyon Campus
in Colorado Springs, Colorado, IDEA College Prep in Donna, Texas, Lehigh
Valley Academy Regional Charter in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, North
Hills Prep in Irving, Texas, and Westlake Academy in Westlake, Texas.
DISTRIBUTION OF IB PROGRAMMES
MYP
30%
DP
52%
PYP
18%
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Anon,
Where are you getting your info from? Are you incapable of providing a link? And you dare to call ME a liar?
In 2005, there were 642 IB DP schools in the U.S.
http://blogs.ibo.org/addressingaccess/files/2009/04/final-reportsri_lamar_hillsborough.pdf
As of today, 11/21/11, there are 744 IB DP schools in the U.S.
That's an increase of only 102 DP schools.
That's barely a 15% net increase. Within the same period of time, 34 HS's DROPPED IB.
Now you can continue to rant and rave about "the IB continuum" which is NOT a curricular continuum but rather nothing more than a cash cow continuum for IB, but I assure you not a single university in the country gives a damn about the IB PYP or MYP.
Funny how you left out the Upper St. Clair school district as one of the 11 districts which 5 yrs. later is STILL having a battle over IB after the ACLU lawsuit which cost the USC taxpayers over $300,000 in legal fees to fight the IB idiots.
http://upperstclair.patch.com/articles/district-considers-making-streams-elementary-an-all-ib-school
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I forgot to provide the link for today's IB DP count, my apologies:
http://www.ibo.org/school/search/index.cfm?programmes=DIPLOMA&country=US®ion=&find_schools=Find
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Correction: the 642 DP count was for 2007-2008.
So in 4 years, the IB DP has only seen a 15% increase in its "gold standard" program in the U.S.
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Here is the link. However, what is really interesting is you used your own numbers to demonstrate your lie.
Lisa: "IB will continue to decline."
Lisa, a few posts later states:
In "2005 there were 642 IB DP schools in the U.S. ..... As of today 11/21/11 there are 744 IB DP schools in the U.S......That is an increase of only 102 DP schools."
http://www.ibo.org/iba/countryprofiles/documents/UnitedStatesCountryProfile.pdf
Note, my post and the link doesn't limit the increase to DP, it includes all programs. You choose the DP only since the growth rate is lower than the other programs.
However, forget that. Your own information and statistics demonstrates within the space of a few hours you change your story. By your admission after you say IB will continue to decline, you demonstrate it is growing by 15%.
Lisa, sorry but you totally lack credibility! Please be truthful.
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Anon,
You pulled the following from your IB link:
"Over the past five years, the total number of IB programmes in the US has
doubled."
This is so typical of IB's disingenuous attempt to make itself appear popular and significant in terms of U.S. education.
The number of IBDP schools did NOT double, it didn't come anywhere CLOSE to doubling (which would be 100% increase). The DP is the ONLY IB "programme" which has ANY recognition with U.S. universities whatsoever. IF the IBDP was the spectacular program you seem to think it is, why would IB have to rely on its NON-ASSESSED/NON-ACADEMIC PYP and MYPs to substantiate its claim of "doubling" the amount of IB schools in the U.S.? Hmmmm? I chose to focus on the IBDP because it is the only IB program LVCSD has been stupid enough to waste our money and our student's educations on. 102 HS's out of 20,000+ nationally is hardly what I would call a stampede for IB. The 2009 ARRA provided Title I (poor/low achieving) schools the money to start-up IB and STILL all IB could muster was a measly 15% increase in the number of U.S. HSs.
BUT - the IB PYP is mandated to be implemented SCHOOLWIDE and the MYP is "recommended" by IB to be implemented SCHOOLWIDE - meaning that every single teacher, Principal, Librarian and IB Coordinator must receive the outrageously expensive IB training and every child must be submerged in IB indoctrination. This is where IB can rake in the big bucks and rip-off the American taxpayer under Title I "staff development".
IB doesn't provide a list of U.S. schools which have dropped IB due to its cost and unpopularity. I track them based on IB's web count and press-releases where available.
So if you want to split hairs, the actual count of IB schools hasn't actually declined, but it sure hasn't come anywhere near its claims of "doubling" its academic "prestige" as it relates to university recognition. IB has misrepresented the "success" of its DP by 85%. Talk about "curving" its numbers!
IB is a fad and a scam. IB is the "pet rock" of education.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell022604.asp
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Anon,
I do hope that when you withdraw money from your bank account, you realize that it represents a "decline" in your overall balance. You may deposit more than you withdrew on your next transaction, but the bulk of that deposit is covering your previous withdrawal. In other words, if every high school had been satisfied with IB over the past 5 yrs, IB would be able to claim 778 instead of 744 (-34) schools. That, my friend, is a decline in projected capital.
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Lisa,
No one is splitting hairs.
You were caught in a fold face lie.
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No, a fold [sic] face lie is what YOU presented by trying to claim IB has DOUBLED in popularity over the past five years by "folding" in apples with the oranges. THAT's not just a fold, that's a BOLD faced lie. I can demonstrate a measured DECLINE in authorized schools and I stand by my statement that despite IB's efforts to expand its junk left-wing indoctrination programmes to our youngest children, we will continue to see a DECLINE in the projected rate of expansion and an INCREASE in the number of currently authorized IB schools which decide to DROP it.
Why anyone would fight so hard to support an organization whose CEO is a plagiarist, affiliated with UNESCO which supports terrorists and whose IBNA Chair is also a VP for the radical Hispanic group La Raza is beyond me ....
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Lisa quotes
"IB will continue to decline.
In 2005 there were 642 IB DP schools in the U.S.... as of today 11/21/11 there are 744IB DP schools"
Call it fold or bold but it is a flat out lie.
If you want to concentrate on DP only that is your problem.
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http://talkstraight.tumblr.com/post/1220308982/terror-suspect-was-white-house-guest-and-recipient-of
One of many reasons IB , UNESCO, should not be in our public schools
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Skippy,
My focus, when it comes to debunking IB's fallacious claims of grandeur, is to demonstrate that IB's "promises" and usage of percentages to give the appearance of a much bigger "pie", are simply slick marketing tools that fools like yourself fall prey to.
Let's narrow our focus to only the public HSs in the U.S. which offer AP courses. That number is approximately 16,000. IB's burgeoning 744 schools account for barely 5%. After 44 years in business, billions in ARRA money and all of IB's self-raves and IB can still only convince 5% of the "challenging" districts in the country to sign onto IB's "philosophy"?
Sounds like a cult to me, Skippy.
Hey, let's occupy LVCSD - LVCSD is the 5% crony sociali-t UNESCO/Agenda 21 green sucking tax to death tree-hugging Wall St. banking greedy elite!
WE ARE THE 95%! LOL!
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Lisa,
This isn't about IB, it's about the veracity of your statements and your credibility.
The demonstrated fact is you cannot be believed.
You make up information and have been exposed as a lier.
No matter how hard you try and change the subject Anon caught you in a lie.
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Anon posting as Truth,
There's a huge difference between a lie, interpretation of statistics/semantics, exaggeration and deliberate misinformation and inaccuracies.
I lied about nothing. You cannot deny the FACT that 78 schools have DROPPED IB since March, 2009. IB's count DECLINED by 78 in the U.S. Did they swindle more schools into becoming authorized? Ayup. How long do you think those are going to last? Those IB REJECTED schools COUNT because they had already flushed hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, down the Swiss toilet. Btw, those 78 drops include all 3 programmes
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The net result of the adds and drops is that IB DP schools in the U.S. went up from 642 to 744.
Saying that "IB will continue to decline" is a deliberate lie. There is no other explanation.
You are exposed for what you are.
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There are 744 schools in this country going down the wrong path.
It all comes down to this....
UNESCO supports terrorism.
Any school affiliated with UNESCO supports terrorism
Why are American schools supporting terrorism?????
Why are American schools paying American tax dollars to to an organization that supports terrorism?????
Why are American parents allowing their children to learn from a program run by and organization that supports terrorism????
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1st Anonymous,
The next time you get a paycheck that was SUPPOSED to DOUBLE (according to your boss' 'word') and there's only a 15% increase, be sure to tell me who the real liar is.
Thank you Anonymous2. They are also being bred to implement Agenda 21. I fell asleep during the debate last night... did anyone mention Agenda 21 as a national security threat? I doubt "Blitz" would have asked about it.
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"You can know the truth, and you can live the truth; you can experience the growth of truth in the soul and enjoy the liberty of its enlightenment in the mind, but you cannot imprison truth in formulas, codes, creeds, or intellectual patterns of human conduct."
The Urantia Book, (180:5.2)
A blessed Thanksgiving to all.... (even the anonymous sh!theads who post on the Bayville Blab)
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The number of IB programs doubled. Fact!! You insinuated they went down.
The number of IB DP schools went up by 15%, you stated they declined. That is a lie.
You have been lying on the blog for years. Now there is objective evidence of your lying. Your credibility is shot.
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Truth,
Riddle me this:
IF IB had a ZERO rate of decline, wouldn't its growth rate for the DP have been greater than 15%?
The answer is YES, it would have been.
Therefore, there most certainly IS an element of decline. I stand by my statement that the rate of decline will escalate. Is the growth rate currently "outpacing" the rate of decline? Marginally. 15% over 4 years is only 3.75% per annum growth.
That's pretty pathetic for such a "prestigious" program.
The other 2 IB programs are complete and total junk and like I said, apples and oranges. You want to factor in doubling the junk, be my guest. All you have is a bigger dung pile.
Happy Thanksgiving.
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Anyone know if Santa comes around on the fire truck on Thanksgiving? And if so, what time?
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Patriot,
Haha, remember the year Santa was drunk and fell off the fire truck?
Where will the Bayville Christmas tree be?
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You didn't say rate of decline will increase, you said decline. Another lie, to cover a lie.
There are always additions and subtractions in any growing metric. The net result either positive or negative gives us the trend. The trend for IB is DECIDEDLY up.
We need IB since the educational trend in the U.S. IS DOWN, DOWN DOWN.
We can no longer compete effectively in a global economy. Time to get rid of the Dept. of Education, the NYS Regents and above all the out dated College Board and AP Assessments which are running our country.
IB certainly will do no worse than these institutions and programs.
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http://www.genocidebangladesh.org
THIS IS WHY AMERICA IS NOT SUPPORTING PALESTINE
SAY NO TO ORGANIZATIONS LIKE UNESCO/IB PROGRAMME WHO SUPPORT PALESTINE
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Anon,
Take a look at IB's "reception" in the UK .... not so good. This Euro-envy of yours is rather disturbing. You might want to seek help for that.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2030670/The-International-Baccalaureate-backlash-Scores-private-school-pupils-ditched-A-levels-fail-university.html
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Something must be done to save American education. Perhaps IB is the answer. Its results certainly can't be as bad as what we have now. At least IB teaches one to integrate information.
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@HEALTH
LOL
IB WILL NOT SAVE AMERICAN EDUCATION
IB IS DUMBING DOWN AMERICAN EDUCATION
THE IB PROGRAMME IS RUN BY AN ORGANIZATION, UNESCO, THAT SUPPORTS TERROISM
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The total number of IB programmes in the U.S. may almost double in the near future, reaching more than 2,000. There are
currently 520 candidates for authorization, and 507 have expressed interest in becoming candidates.
What are the prospects for future growth of IB programmes in the country?
http://www.ibo.org/iba/countryprofiles/documents/UnitedStatesCountryProfile.pdf
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THE IB PROGRAMME IS RUN BY UNESCO
UNESCO IS SUPPORTING TERRORISM BY VOTING IN THE PALESTINE STATE
ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS IB SUPPORTS TERRORISM
ANY SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT FUNDS IB SUPPORTS TERRORISM
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http://www.red-alerts.com/islamic-expansionism/the-bloody-legacy-of-arab-islam-in-africa/?mid=53
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http://www.americantaskforce.org/daily_news_article/2011/10/27/1319688000_5
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/31/us-could-withhold-funds-to-un-agency-after-vote-to-grant-membership-to
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http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/israel-and-palestine/111031/unesco-us-cuts-funding-palestine
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/8913830/Mahmoud-Abbas-hails-new-era-of-partnership-between-Fatah-and-Hamas.html
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xO8qZP_iU9I#!
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http://truthaboutib.com/ibisunconstitutional.html
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a little something to think about fo those that support IB
http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2011/12/gingrichs-fresh-hope.php
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http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=1003&r=1
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/258381/hamas-muslim-brotherhood-andrew-c-mccarthy
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150785#.Tuvlp5hpeIx
SAY NO TO IBO....WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO STOP SUPPORTING THIS TERRORIST ORGANIZATION
SOON WE WILL HAVE BUMPER STICKERS SAYING.....
LVCSD PROUD SPONSOR OF UNESCO AND THE PA
IGNORANT AND BLIND SUPPORTER OF HAMAS SINCE 2005
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http://patriotalliancepac.com/2011/12/the-apa-responds-to-sen-ted-lieu-over-tlcs-american-muslim
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This the muslim brotherhood folks.....supporting UNESCO brings this
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2075683/The-brave-women-Middle-East-Female-protesters-brutally-beaten-metal-poles-vicious-soldiers-drag-girls-streets-hair-day-shame.html
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NO MORE IB
ARE THE KIDS IN IB LEARNING THE TRUTH
GIVE THEM THIS ARTICLE
WAKE UP LOCUST VALLEY PARENTS
TAKE YOUR KIDS OUT OF IB
STOP SUPPORTING THIS PROGRAMME
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4165576,00.html
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Now, now, Anonymous! Why would you want to stifle creativity like this production of Occupy the North Pole by the IB World George School in Pennsylvania?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_wDYWrvU3ms
Ho Ho Ho - Merry Marxmas!
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Oh, Lisa, the liar, has returned. Remember Lisa telling us for years " IB will continue to decline"
Lisa you have lost all credibility. There is no veracity to your statements.
http://www.ibo.org/iba/countryprofiles/documents/UnitedStatesCountryProfile.pdf
Over the past five years, the total number of IB programmes in the US has
doubled. The MYP and PYP have expanded exponentially since 2005,
and the DP has also continued growing at a fast pace.
2000 2002 2004 2006 2008 2010
DP
TOTAL MYP PYP
There are currently 1, 207 IB World Schools in the U.S., 1,100 (91%)
of which are public. All of these schools are implementing 1,367 IB
programmes (given that some schools implement several at once).
The Diploma accounts for more than half of all IB programmes in the U.S.
Only 11 IB World Schools in the country implement the entire continuum
of IB programmes, and five of these are public: Discovery Canyon Campus
in Colorado Springs, Colorado, IDEA College Prep in Donna, Texas, Lehigh
Valley Academy Regional Charter in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, North
Hills Prep in Irving, Texas, and Westlake Academy in Westlake, Texas.
DISTRIBUTION OF IB PROGRAMMES
MYP
30%
DP
52%
PYP
18%
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Truth,
Try to understand the following:
Between 2010 and today, IBO has authorized 65 NEW IB HSs.
Between the SAME period of time, 35 HSs got rid of IB.
That's a pretty crappy rate of retention. Over one step back for every two steps forward. Moore like a cha-cha than "leaps and bounds, I would say
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Please, you stated DECLINE. so YOU FLAT OUT LIED.
In addition you didn't specify IBHS. Instead you said IB declined.
Instead we now know in the last five years the number of IB programs has doubled.
And as to rate of retention it is based on the number of programs currently running. So if there were 1,205 IBHS PROGRAMS and 35 dropped the program that is a retention rate of 97.9% (35/120), which by any standard is an excellent retention rate, especially when the program added 65 new programs .
Please stop lying either directly "IB DECLINED" or by deliberately misstating and misguiding readers as to the rate of retention.
I think you have inadvertently succeeded in pointing out the success of IB.
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Oh UNTruth,
You are just such a silly, silly, little person. Are you unaware of the tides, the ebb and flow, so to speak? Are you mentally incapable of understanding that this non-brick and mortar "programme" comes and goes as quickly as the changing tide? Does the word "decline" bother you" Would you prefer if I said IB has a serious "ebbing" problem?
There were NEVER 1,205 IB DPs in the U.S.! NEVER! The total number of DP's in the U.S. as of today is 749:http://www.ibo.org/school/search/index.cfm?programmes=DIPLOMA&country=US®ion=&find_schools=Find so go re-do your IB math!
In fact, I have no idea where you are getting that 1,205 number from in the first place!
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And stop mixing apples and oranges. I will fight the IB PYP and MYP nationally because they are truly the scam/indoctrination cash cows for IB. But the IB Diploma Programme is what we have in Locust Valley and what we the taxpayers are shelling out over $300,000 a year for (including exam fees) and it is the IB Diploma Programme to which I refer when I speak of the DECLINE of its alleged "DOUBLING". The IB DP has NOT DOUBLED in U.S. HSs in the past 5 years. To claim otherwise is a bold faced lie.
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ah ha .... just figured out where UNTruth got his number from:
http://www.ibo.org/iba/countryprofiles/documents/UnitedStatesCountryProfile.pdf
630 to 749 is NOT DOUBLE! And the funny thing is, even if you go all the way back to 2000, IB had roughly 480 IBDP schools in the U.S. - and its STILL nowhere near double!
It's pathetic.
IB is a fringe, expensive, politically left-wing UNESCO affiliated organization that should not be the beneficiary of a single U.S. taxdollar. Period. Get rid of this junk education!
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The link you posted above has already been posted three times in the past on this blog.
My posts always stated IB programes. I NEVERr said IBHS doubled.The quote and reference is again stated below. It is you you mix and match IBDP with the total IB programs.
The following published information flies in the face of your lies. With your veracity destroyed by this exposure nothing you post any longer has credibility.
Over the past five years, the total number of IB programmes in the US has
doubled. The MYP and PYP have expanded exponentially since 2005,
and the DP has also continued growing at a fast pace.
2000 2002 2004 2006 2008 2010
DP
TOTAL MYP PYP
There are currently 1, 207 IB World Schools in the U.S., 1,100 (91%)
of which are public. All of these schools are implementing 1,367 IB
programmes (given that some schools implement several at once).
The Diploma accounts for more than half of all IB programmes in the U.S.
Only 11 IB World Schools in the country implement the entire continuum
of IB programmes, and five of these are public: Discovery Canyon Campus
in Colorado Springs, Colorado, IDEA College Prep in Donna, Texas, Lehigh
Valley Academy Regional Charter in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, North
Hills Prep in Irving, Texas, and Westlake Academy in Westlake, Texas.
DISTRIBUTION OF IB PROGRAMMES
MYP
30%
DP
52%
PYP
18%
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And once again ..... let me repeat ....
Nobody CARES about the number of crap IB elementary and middle school "programmes" DOUBLING when it comes to evaluating the WORTH and VALUE of IB.
Try and understand the following. You can compare IB to pet rocks, although IB's "life cycle", imho, has been longer and has entered the maturity phase:
http://courses.unt.edu/kt3650_9/sld004.htm
Note what the final stage is, UNTruth. Decline.
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Lisa,
Deflect all you like, the fact is you lied, and you were caught.
Frankly, I am glad more and more children are introduced to IB at an earlier age. It will help them integrate information and learn to think, and awaken a desire of "knowledge for knowledge sake", the highest form of learning.
My goodness, you link to an elementary marketing life cycle curve as if this is a revelation.
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the bottom line
UNESCO voted in the Palestinine state (terrorist)
America is no longer funding UNESCO because America does NOT support terrorist (agreement that if any UN organization votes in the PA USA will not support that organization ie: UNESCO and possibly the UN)
UNESCO can NOT operate without Americas 70 billion
LVCSD supporting terrorism for over 5 years come and join us in the
"Grand Return" of IB being held in LVCSD!!!!
Does that mean the grand pooba of IB is coming?
Could IB enrollment be declining in LVCSD that the district needs to have a "Grand Return" ?????
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UNTruth spewed:
"Frankly, I am glad more and more children are introduced to IB at an earlier age."
Perhaps you can work as a consultant to IBO to develop pre-natal software to teach unborn babies "how to think" .... the IB way.
Yeah, I saw that Jan 5th IB "event". Maybe I'll attend.
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Lisa,
Deflect all you like, the fact is you lied, and you were caught.
Frankly, I am glad more and more children are introduced to IB at an earlier age. It will help them integrate information and learn to think, and awaken a desire of "knowledge for knowledge sake", the highest form of learning.
My goodness, you link to an elementary marketing life cycle curve as if this is a revelation.
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again....so LVCSD is spending 200 grand plus a year to an organization UNESCO that supports terorists????
the US government stopped all finaincial support to UNESCO but yet is funding the IB programme????
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UNTruth,
Stamping your feet like a little girl and screaming "Liar liar pants on fire" hardly helps your pitiful position.
YOU and IB are the liars. The number of IB Diploma programs has NOT DOUBLED in the past five years, not even close! Unable to market its "premier product" successfully, even with all of Obama's ARRA money to socially engineer our poorest schools, IB barely mustered a 20% gain in the ONLY one of its "programmes" that can be considered a curriculum.
Who's been "caught" exaggerating the Truth? Oh .... you have!
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Lisa,
Another lie. No one claimed IBDP doubled. The total IB programs doubled and that is what was/is posted.
A 20% increase for the Diploma program is actually quite good. How many people had a 20% increase in income? How many products experienced a 20% increase in sales, the stock market is actually down over 20%.
It is interesting you mention "a curriculum", since AP is neither a programme or curriculum.
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http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/12/27/victoria-jackson-muslim-politichicks
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20% increase over 5 years is good? I'm pretty sure our teachers received approx. 4% increases annually when you factor in Steps.
IB LOVES to throw around percentages because it sounds so much bigger than actual numbers.
749 IB HSs in the entire U.S.after 43 years in business.
And LVCSD is one of those suckers. So embarrassing.
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Btw, UNTruth, considering there is not a single IB PYP program on Long Island and the only MYP is in Mr. Hunderfund's former district, Commack, I'm pretty sure most LVCSD residents reading this forum would only think of IB in terms of its HS program - you know, the one Robin Collittri of SouthSide told us back in 2004 that "ALL of LI's top HS's are clamoring for". Seems to me, the only Nassau County HS that has "clamored" for IB in 7 years is Long Beach and that is only because it was able to land $1.3M of Title I money under the ARRA.
Is Jericho IB? No. Syosset? No. Wheatley? No. Roslyn? No Cold Spring arbor? No Manhasset? No Great Neck? No North Shore? No. Even Glen Cove and Garden City rejected IB (with my help).
All talk, no substance. We've really had enough of your disinformation and BS. Take it back to Switzerland.
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Yes, any organization that more than doubles its service, product or curriculum while increasing its core 20% is doing very well.
The most improved, and one of the best high schools on LI, is South Side. I guess it slipped your mind when you were listing top LI schools.
You are so devious, you just can't give an accurate and truthful picture.
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UNTruth wrote:
"Yes, any organization that more than doubles its service, product or curriculum while increasing its core 20% is doing very well."
Tell that to KMart and Sears.
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Tell that to KMart{SIC} and Sears.
If sales at K-Mart and Sears, both owned by parent company, Sears Holding, doubled over five years, and their core offerings increased by 20%, they would not be closing stores and the stock price would not be falling.
In fact, same store sales year over year are flat to down. When you don't directly lie you write misleading information. You are NOT BELIEVABLE.
For an example of what happens when sales double (all products) and core offering (print publications) increase by 20% look at what is going on with on-line retailer, Amazon.
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The Truth is
If this school district would educate themselves on what is going on in the world today ths IB programme would not be an issue.
LVSD should comply with the fereal government and not support this programme.
STOP SUPPORTING TERRORISM THROUGH THE IB PROGRAMME
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UNTruth,
Oh dear. I see you failed to grasp my analogy entirely. I normally don't care for Wikipedia as a source, but I would like you to think of Sears as IB and KMart as the Aga Khan's Development Network:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears_Holdings_Corporation
IBO in 2010, is where Sears WAS in 2005:
The two companies cited several reasons for combining forces:
Sears had begun investing in new, larger off-mall stores, called Sears Grand. Earlier in the year, Sears had purchased dozens of current Super Kmart locations; the merger permitted the combined company to accelerate that process.
Proprietary brands held by both companies could be made more accessible to their target demographics by leveraging their combined real estate holdings. This was estimated to be an expected $200 million a year in revenue synergies.
At least $300 million a year in cost savings was expected annually, particularly in the supply chain and in administrative overhead.
The establishment of a shared customer-focused corporate culture between the two companies was estimated to yield improvements in revenue per unit area.
Preservation of two brands after the merger allowed Sears Holdings to continue focusing on different customer demographics, without alienating either group.
Btw, I heard from a former IB employee in Geneva that IBO is over $100M in the red after opening its two new "global centres".
IB is simply an overly expensive product with very limited appeal. It should be up to the taxpayers to be able to decide whether or not we want to keep buying this product. Unfortunately, our former Commissioner of Education ruled otherwise so now we must count on our new BoE members to lead the charge to end IB.
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Stop the analogy B.S. You post is referenced below:
Yes, any organization that more than doubles its service, product or curriculum while increasing its core 20% is doing very well."
Tell that to KMart and Sears.
Now you try and pass off a comparison to an unsuccessful merger. An IBO MERGER WAS NEVER MENTIONED.
Furthermore, the resulting merger of Sears and K-Mart was unsuccessful, and did not result in a doubling of sales and a 20% increase in the core business. There are no grounds for a comparison.
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UNTruth,
Not my fault if you are ignorant of IBO's business transactions. The MoU with the Aga Khan was signed in 2010. Sears/KMart EXPANDED its holdings as a result of the merger, as did IBO. Now Sears/KMart are on the DECLINE, as is IBO. IB has had a 53% (35/65) diminished growth in its Diploma program in the last 3 years.
And let me ask you something - what do YOU have against AP? What do YOU have against providing LVHS students greater college-credit opportunity, flexibility and breadth of knowledge? What do YOU have against saving money?
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Stop the nonsense, pure B.S.
There was never a reference to any merger either by K-Mart or IBO. The reference was to doubling overall growth and increasing the core by 20%.
What told that the above metric was very good, your reply was to look at K-Mart/Sears. The problem is K-Mark DOESN'T FIT THE METRIC - IT has little to no growth over the past five years.
Then out of nowhere you insert the similarity of mergers. Of course, some mergers are successful, and some aren't. The fact that the K-Mart/ Sears merger was unsuccessful has nothing to do with the success, or lack of success, of another merger, be it IBO or any other organization.
Your M.O, when caught in a lie, is to just sling out crap and divert attention from the lie.
My point in posting has nothing to do with AP, or IB for that matter. It is to point out your blatant lies.
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UNTruth,
And because of your ignorance and inability to see the economic parallels, all you can do is accuse me of lying.
That's a very poor rebuttal. You lose. If your point in posting has nothing to do with what's BEST for the taxpayers and students of LVCSD and only to troll my comments, well, that's pretty sad.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_1q_YdTMVQg#!
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Dear IBO Must Go,
That's a great short on Agenda 21 and ICLEI. Unfortunately, most of the IBelievers around here and everywhere will accuse you of seeing black helicopters and in need of a tinfoil hat. I certainly hope our own Bayville Village Board is "alert" to infiltration attempts by ICLEI. I pointed out that little anti-smoking on Bayville beaches pitch I am sure is in some way tied into ICLEI. Restrictions on our liberties, more regulation in the name of "saving the environment", takeover of our water and land resources ....... WAKE UP PEOPLE!!
2012 is it, man. Stop globalist takeover of American liberties NOW or become the lost Republic.
"A revolution without dancing, is a revolution not worth having." ~V
Welcome 2012!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYtCanpBhVg&feature=share
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How long before LVHS tries to pull this same stunt as SouthSide HS?
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/all-south-side-high-students-to-take-ib-class-1.3422697
I sure hope some RVC parents decide to sue! How can that possibly legal for special needs students? IDEA anyone? You can't FORCE public school students to take an "advanced" course! Let's just totally frustrate and set kids up for failure, what a great idea ...... NOT!
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Okay, I just subscribed to Newsday to get the whole article:
Anna Hunderfund, superintendent of the Locust Valley schools, said she has no plans to make any IB class mandatory because she worries that some courses might be too tough for some students.
Locust Valley has had the IB program for seven years; more than 70 percent of its juniors and seniors take at least one IB course.
"The question is what the children can handle at any one time," Hunderfund said. "I think it's better for the kids to enroll in and be exposed to the most rigorous curriculum as long as they can handle it. But it is an individual decision for the student and their families. Kids mature at different speeds and excel at different things. What may come easily to one child might not to another."
Good move Anna. Now get rid of this junk program altogether!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ifnJEFRvYus#!
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http://www.jailedteacher.com/category/sexual-crimes
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That reminds me .... what's the status of the Benstock case?
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Good question!! I too not that long ago googled too see if i could find any info! Not a thing!
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To find out IF the case is going to trial one just needs to call the DA's office.
Benstock hired a very slick attorney. I would imagine the defense will try and drag it on.
Meanwhile, he was suspended from teaching but the district is required by law to pay his salary, and of course the district must replace him and pay that teacher's salary as well.
The NY Dept. of Education and the DA'S office cares little if at all about the children or the expenses the taxpayers bear as they refuse to at.
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Is IB like this today?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhHMWSgFw3M&feature=related
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This IB program sounds really scary. I have 2 children in the elementary school and I hear so many mixed messages about the IB program. One child is a good student, but the other has an IEP for a learning disability. School is hard enough for her now. Anybody have a similar situation?
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Hi Bayvillemom
I have a DD with an IEP also! I also worry about her, knowing full well that if they are not " honor" students they pretty much get pushed on through UNLESS you are an in the face parent!
Now about benstock, i reallly need to laugh, because he hires an really good attorney with our money, after playing poking games with some of my kids!!
Yeah real nice!
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My kids are in the MS and I'm also hearing horror stories about the IB program. Does anyone know what percentage of the HS students participate in IB?
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I was also wondering if students can still take AP exams? If so does the district provide any AP test prep?
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A better question might be the actual number of students who participate in IB? Percentages alone can be misleading.
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Bayville parents of younger children,
I have documented LVHS IB results for all six graduating classes here:
http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/iblocustvalleyny.html
Last year, administration insisted that a number of non-IB, Regents level students take the AP exam. You can see the horrific results on the above link.
LVCSD decided we the taxpayers should pick up the bill for AP/IB exams - exams which students are NOT being prepared for.
I attended the IB Alumni Forum the other evening. I was embarrassed for the students who sat up on the stage for all 11 people that showed up. I do not want to disparage any of the students. They are the victims of this outrageously expensive, educational scam. The vast majority of the students who sat on the stage said, "The Diploma doesn't matter because you don't even get the scores until AFTER HS graduation and college acceptance." This is true! And if a student's SAT/ACT/GPA doesn't stack up, the "projected" scores for IB are considered dubious by college admissions officers. Many students also said that they encountered admissions departments that never heard of IB.
Doubt IB!
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Lisa,
I went to your website!
WoW!! I will agree one of my kids rt now has been in the AP WORLD history, now i am not sure if its just that teacher, or the subject as a whole, but talk about overwhelming 1child?
On top of all the other honor classes, it's a joke!
Because i bet if you asked any of those kids being OVERWHELMED in that class and their are others us mom's talk, they do not know anything! So when exam time come's it will not surprise me they know nothing!
And try and explain that to a school district that is only worried about getting kids into honor, IB and AP classes even if they are not learning anything!!
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Dear Haveyouwalkedthruhalls,
My daughter was the 1st "guinea pig" class of 9th Graders who took AP World History - for 2 years. Two different teachers and an extremely "Islam-friendly" textbook. Check your child's textbook. She managed a '3', but that didn't help her with credit for college.
If you and other pre-IB Moms would like to get together to discuss HS options, contact me at info@truthaboutib.com and let's set something up. The 11th and 12th grade "Honors by Achievement" option is a joke. Since Judy Marino left, I don't believe there is an administrator in charge of curriculum. While I am not opposed to the elimination of the Asst. Supt. position, there should be some sort of Curriculum Deans in the district, monitoring results and teaching materials. I remember one year when not a single one of the 17 students who took the AP U.S. History exam passed! That makes me question if LVCSD deliberately placed the worst SS teacher in AP, in order to make IB look better!
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Why should the taxpayers foot the bill for AP/IB exams, especially since it seems that the district pushes students to take the IB program regardless of whether it's appropriate for that student. That's an expense each family should assume for their child. I wonder how much that's costing us!
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Lisa,
You are a shameless liar. I also was at the IB Alumni Forum and it was quite clear the students overwhelmingly believe IB is a terrific academic program and a great help to their success in college. In fact, many said it was IB THAT BEST PREPARED THEM FOR COLLEGE.
Most received some college credits, and one student received 27 credits (skipped a year undergraduate studies)and another skipped a semester. MAny received 12 credits and for others introductory courses were waved. One student mentioned taking IB Math made second year college calculus easy. Others said the science courses were hard and not for them and so they took HL courses in the soft sciences. One student said it was a mistake for her to take HL Math.
Many also said they believe IB courses are superior to AP since IB teaches you how to think. These are the words and opinions of students who actually took the courses.
Not a single student said "the diploma doesn't matter. Two students, when prompted by a question from your surrogate, said the grades aren't received until August, However, the students also said the fact that a student was a diploma candidate was factored into acceptance. Furthermore, once the IB grades were received by the college credits were issued according to its policy. By the way, AP grades aren't received until the end of July and college credits aren't issued for AP until then.
These students were accepted to excellent schools.
Least anyone believes Lisa, I asked Dr. McGuire if the forum was taped. It was and if any parent wishes to see it they can.
Also parents should talk with IB Alumni, they can tell you how they feel about the program. The overall clear message from these alumni is that it is a great program.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE go see the tape and judge for yourself. it is a public document.
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My "surrogate", Jack? You mean a HS parent who also happens to be a teacher? That surrogate?
You are wrong, Jack. Several of the students said it "the diploma doesn't matter". I would urge LVCSD to post the footage to its website. I filmed only 3 short segments. I didn't post them to TAIB because I was concerned with student privacy, but I will now reconsider.
What about IB "Moonshine" who spoke of how depressed, stressed and totally overburdened she felt taking two "hard" IB courses which she dropped. She advised the audience "to take the easiest IB courses just so you can get through it".
Most disingenuous was Mr. B's repeated mention of IB Further Mathematics. Less than 100 students IN THE ENTIRE WORLD took IB Further Mathematics. LVHS administered the IB Further Mathematics exam to ONE student. This is the SAME student who took several AP exams independently. Are you going to tell me that LVHS ran an IB course for ONE student and that student was only able to score a '2', Jack?
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I learned something new today! I learned that The College Board pays a stipend to the teacher who co-ordinates the AP exams! Too bad IB doesn't pick up Mr. B's salary!
And while a student may not receive their AP results until July, due to AP's flexible nature, a student could be an AP Scholar with Distinction (5 exams) by the start of their senior year before they make application to university!
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"Many also said they believe IB courses are superior to AP since IB teaches you how to think. These are the words and opinions of students who actually took the courses."
Riiggght. And they would "KNOW" this .... how? Certainly not because they were able to COMPARE the two courses from experience! They claimed they "know how to know because IB taught them how to know". What a load of bull! That's called BRAINWASHING, Jack.
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See, now you did it Jack. Now I have to share the videos I shot. I should have taped the whole thing, I apologize for being a lousy videographer. I never took IB Video.
I particularly like the recommendation to "go do chemical explosions". That's great!
http://truthaboutib.com/images/100_2062.mov
http://truthaboutib.com/images/100_2064.mov
http://truthaboutib.com/images/100_2065.mov
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Anonymous:
Thank you for pointing out blatantly biased and prejudicial information. From the above clips, it is clear how beneficial and efficacious IB is to personal development, responsibility, maturity, and pertinent knowledge.
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Bob,
Your comment was meant to be sarcastic, right?
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Efficaciousness must be in the eye of the IBeholder.
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Lisa,
These are the negative comments? This is the best you could do? They sound very positive to me. From these clips it's clear the students find the IB program very valuable. I can only imagine what the positive comments you choose not to post sound like.
Glad to hear the comments directly from the students. I hope the district is able to post the entire forum.
Lisa, it appears you are a walking advertisement for IB. You make the case for them.
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Lisa,
Call me Jack if you like. I suspected, since he was there and the post was accurate and detailed, you would think it was he. Sorry, but you are not as observant as you think and your ability to deduce has always been weak.
Sounds like these students appreciate and respect IB. However, they tell us that to be successful in the program you need to develop time management skills, work hard, invite challenges and deal with stress. Sounds like college and the work place.
You make the case for IB. Did IB hire you? You know, sort of like a like a double agent.
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Believe,
Actually, I missed filming what could be considered the more negative comments from the forum. The above clips were a small sampling of the "show". For the sake of transparency, it would be lovely if LVCSD posted the entire video to its website. I doubt it will.
As I stated above, it is not my intent to disparage or demean our students. Our students SHOULD be celebrated. Do you honestly BELIEVE that prior to IB, LVHS never graduated students who went on to Ivy League schools? Who were AP and National Merit Scholars? Students who were Intel semi-finalists? Students who earned large scholarships and who credited excellent teachers for their success? All without IB?
Do you think the Ward-Melville district has to trot out all of its Intel finalists every year to try and convince students and parents of the "value" of its science research program? Do you think ANY of those Intel semi-finalists or finalists would tell fellow students to "do the easiest project you can" just to get through the program? I don't.
LVHS stopped celebrating the success of our students in its halls with the arrival of Dr. Shear. Walk into Wheatley HS. Surrounding the auditorium are beautiful large photos of the cast and crew of every HS musical, going back over 20 years. What's in the halls of LVHS? Cheap, tacky, framed prints of "character" sayings. LVHS doesn't even have science fairs anymore. Why?
Every HS has a top 10%. Where are the 'mean' SAT stats for LVHS? Have they risen since the introduction of IB? How do the SAT scores of the IB Diploma students compare to those of the top 10% from LVHS pre-IB? How does the rate of acceptance to Ivy League universities compare? Are 20-25% of our graduates still attending Nassau Community College?
I could go back through the graduating classes from the 90's and cherry pick the most successful LVHS graduates and trot them out on stage to demonstrate how unnecessary IB is, if given the opportunity. I could go back to the 70's and feature students from my graduating class at Oyster Bay HS who, after going through HS on split sessions, went on to become world famous musicians, reporters, doctors, psychiatrists and lawyers.
We have wasted millions on IB. Enough is enough.
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I wonder why NONE of the 48 full LVHS IB Diploma candidates who spent their final two years of HS in IB yet failed to earn the IB Diploma weren't "featured" in the forum? Because that would be fair and balanced and we can't have THAT, can we?
As I said, a district can "cherry-pick" students to make the worst program in the world appear good. Now that Newsweek no longer features Jay Mathews' vapid list of Best High Schools, LVCSD will have to find some other PR gimmick to highlight IB. Good luck with that.
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Dr. McGuire was at a large Parent Council meeting this morning and said the district plans to link the entire IB Forum meeting on the web site.
You have always complained about the school district and yet we have have one of the finest school districts in the country.
SAME TIRED OLD STUFF, OVER AND OVER.
Now the students have spoken and you just come up with more excuses and lies.
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As I said, I HOPE the district does post the entire 2 hr. video ... UNEDITED. I just looked at the Class of 2012's college acceptances. Notably absent:
Harvard
Yale
Brown
Columbia
NYU
MIT
Georgetown
American University
Notre Dame
Dartmouth
Sarah Lawrence
(those are just off the top of my head)
You mean to tell me no one applied to those schools?
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Believe,
I am not the one providing "excuses" for wasteful spending and indoctrination and I certainly am not the one spreading "lies". Sure, the students spoke about how "easy" it was for them to write essays in college. Whoop-de-do. Did we get to read any of those essays? We got to listen to students rather inarticulately proclaim how TOK taught them to "know how to know". Too bad not a single IB Diploma grad met NYS requirements for HS graduation which requires a .5 year of Economics and a .5 year of Participation in Government.
As my dear departed mother-in-law used to say, "Self-praise is no praise".
Cherry pick and selectively highlight all you want. The truth will set you free. I notice you didn't answer a single one of my questions regarding mean SAT scores or Ivy League acceptance above. None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
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Lisa,
What a joke? "Did we get to read these essays?"
What are you credentials? You don't even have a college degree, no less an advanced degree in education. Stop and look at what you really are, a college dropout criticizing quality students attending quality colleges and universities.
As to articulation, I have heard you speak. These young adults are far more articulate than you could ever hope to be.
Who are you to proclaim these successful students
'inarticulate". If i were one of their parents I would personally confront you.
All of these students did meet NYS requirements for graduation or they wouldn't have graduated. It is disgraceful you consciously and willingly disparage these excellent students.
I so look forward to seeing the entire forum on-line. I was already greatly impressed from the positive clips you consider negative.
Get a life Lisa, and stop attacking our excellent students. You might state by getting your own degree instead of misrepresenting yourself.
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UnTruth,
Have you ever read any IB Extended Essays, Untruth? Of course not! Because they are IB's protected intellectual property! Are you aware that NYS DoE does not employ anyone to see if IB curriculum aligns with NYS HS graduating requirements? Are you aware that NYS merely takes the word of the Principal and Superintendent who sign the diplomas that NYS standards have been met? Do you think this might explain why one of our very brightest students had to take a summer course at Duke because he had not been taught the basics in Economics at LVHS?
Unlike you, anonymous coward, I post under my real name. I am a Mom, an American taxpayer and a 35 year resident of Bayville. Where have I misrepresented myself - EVER? Both of my children earned their BA's in 4 years. I have supported science and the arts in this district FOR DECADES! I have advocated for children with special needs and called for transparency and accountability which is sadly scarce not only in this district, but in MANY public school districts around the country. I politely listened to the presentation and I am entitled to my opinion that when it comes to public oratory, only the student from S. Africa came across as particularly eloquent. I suppose you think Obama is a great orator as well! Without his teleprompter, he's not!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4Dw
Oh, I'm sorry, I don't have David Letterman's credentials.
The only reason LVCSD trots out former IB students to "sell" IB is so that if God forbid someone dares to criticize the IB program, they can turn around and say that person is "attacking IB students". SHAME ON YOU, UnTruth! I stated first and foremost it is not my intent to demean the students. They are the victims of a system intent on using the Delphi Technique to silence opposition.
I wish EVERY graduate well in their future endeavors. But to claim that IB is the be all and end all and the ONLY reason LVHS students go on to university "prepared" is disingenuous. For the 19 students on the stage, there are 48 who I guarantee would not be singing IB's praises.
Now why don't you grow a spine and sign your real name, coward?
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But you did demean the students. You the college dropout, talked of them "inarticulately" proclaiming.
Of course you continue to lie, lie lie.
It was the students who said after experiencing the challenges of college that IB helped them prepare for the rigors of college.
You degrade our students. I am surprised the parents gave you permission to make your clips public. I'm certain they didn't expect you to publicly state they are inarticulate.
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One thing is for sure, they were more articulate than you, UnTruth.
It was a public event. No permission needed. But, on the chance that some a-hole like you decides to pull some legal crap, I will now remove the footage.
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On second thought:
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You see, in this day and age of OWS, I don't find it particularly amusing that an IB student in a public forum would recommend that fellow students should go do "chemical explosions" ... in the name of IB. I don't know the student's name, no programs were handed out, if it was supposed to be a joke, I'm not laughing.
I highly doubt LVCSD will ever place the video on its website and if it does, I'm willing to bet they edit out that student's comment. Wanna bet me, Jack?
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I have no idea of the legality of posting clips of our students, without permission and serendipitously taken, but it is certainly obnoxious.
Insulating them just adds insult to injury. This is over the top, even for you Lisa.
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I have no idea the legality of posting clips of our students, without permission and serendipitously taken, but it is certainly obnoxious.
Insulating them just adds insult to injury. This is over the top, even for you Lisa.
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Believe,
You are an idiot. LVCSD using my tax dollars to promote IB, while using students who advocate setting off "chemical explosions" is not only irresponsible, it could be considered educational neglect on the part of the district. You think that was a "smart" statement? You think that was "eloquent"? You are a moron!
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http://www.dos.ny.gov/coog/news.html#2011_story1
Public Bodies Required to Allow Photographing, Recording and Broadcasting of Public Meetings
The Legislature amended Open Meetings Law §103 to confirm judicial decisions concerning photographing and recording open meetings of public bodies. In short, the courts determined that anyone may record open meetings, so long as use of a recording device is not disruptive or obtrusive. Public bodies are now required by law to allow meetings to be photographed, broadcast, webcast or otherwise recorded and/or transmitted by audio or video means. The new provision also states that public bodies may adopt reasonable rules governing the use of cameras and recording devices during open meetings, in which case such rules must be conspicuously posted and provided to those in attendance upon request.
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Anyone (except you) who views the clip understands what this student is saying, and it certainly isn't threatening. I am sick that you continue to attack her and ridicule our students as being inarticulate.
However, you have now publicly demonstrated who and what you are. Keep taking secret clips of our students and attacking them if it makes you feel good but demonizing these accomplished students is deplorable.
Go Locust Valley students!!!! The rest of the community supports you and we are very proud of you.
END OF STORY.
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So now i need to say something, and i just happen to find this WS by chance one day, after doing a search on LVCSD, because i did not like what i saw as a parent! So i found this site by chance,
I have sat in the OPEN forum where the kids in 12 grade get to talk about their expierence in the IB program, and as a parent i thought wow these poor kids are programmed!
I went in thinking my child would be doing IB HL, that is the reason i attended the meeting!
But after it was over, i was very discouraged! If you the kids to be honest, ask for them to be on a contact list for parrnts and future kids interested in IB, that way we as parents and kids can talk to these 12 graders alone without the school knowing who contacted who, so they would not feel pressured to sing praises to IB!
Truthfully i really doubt any kid would go up their in front of dr m, and mr b, and say don't do it, its the worst mistake of your life!
They would not, lets all be honest here and fair!
If you think otherwise then you need to get ur head out of the sand!
I lisa to lisa and she makes some interesting points and all i do is see ppl belittle her? That's your rebuttal to her postings? You by the way make her look like she knows more about what she is talking about that way!
Lisa looks like you are passionate about how you feel about IB !
Keep it up!
About the SS ap exam! Thanks for the offer! I just saw that post!
I also agree with you when you say ( when you walk down the halls in locust valley school and what do you see on the walls? Right now and for quite sometime nothing!
Right again!
Yet have you gone to an award ceremony?
Yeah lets award our kids for something they should be doing in the first place, who decides who was most improved?
Who decides who tried the hardest?
Please!!! And mine GOT awards!
And watch them read off the names, yes the educators in our school, cannot spell or prounce a students name ? LOL
The whole school does nothing but PUFF themselves up!
Someone needs to deflate them!!
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Thank you, Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls.
"Keep taking secret clips of our students and attacking them if it makes you feel good ...." -Believe
Oh for the love of Pete, give it a rest! LVCSD is a PUBLIC school district, not a private school. It was a PUBLIC meeting open to ALL which was advertised on the LVCSD website.
Secret clips .... ATTACKING students .... grow up!
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Intel semifinalist...... Quite impressive! Wonders why locust valley is not up on the list?
Northshore school district is, and according to their schools website,( quite nice btw) i see NO IB programme?
http://www.societyforscience.org/document.doc?id=333
Jericho, roslyn, ....
What do we have to say for ourselves?
I am grateful actually i came here after seeing with my OWN eyes what goes on un locust valley! That i am doing MY OWN research, and willing to have my eyes opened!
So now i ask when was the last time any of you all walked thru the halls of the lvcsd, during the day while classes were in session? Because when i did last yr and saw kids in AP classes playing around, talking and the teachers making no comments to such students, i thought wow how do they learn anything?
Then my questions began to my children and what they saw!
So go surprise them one day and walk thru the halls!
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
I thought you might enjoy this radio interview about IB I did with John Loeffler of Steel on Steel with my friend Laura Rambeau Lee, who has been published by Andrew Breitbart's biggovernment.com
It runs about 25 minutes. Enjoy!
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Steel_on_Steel.mp3
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HAVEYOUWALKEDTHROUGHTHEHALLS,,
Wow, you must be a very important person since security never let me walk through the halls while classes were in session. I need to sigh in and tell them where I am going. Then the call that person to verify.
This is very disturbing. I thought my daughter was safe in school but apparently security is lax or we have the wrong policies in place.
I just wonder if you really walked the halls? i think I'll ask security if they allow parents to walk the halls?
By the way, were you stoned when you wrote your 1/11 post, it is almost totally incoherent?
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Security,
I will not stoop to your level, with accusing people of things that i fabricate in my head! Unlike you!
Did you SEE anywhere in my post, where i said i did not sign in???
Try again!!!
Lets see now who sounds INCOHERENT!
GROW UP! and act your age! Its really unbecoming!
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Security,
"I need to sigh in and tell them where I am going. Then the [sic] call that person to verify."
Sign in - Yes
Call? ROTFLMAO! They must smell the booze on your breath and feel the extra security is warranted. If a parent signs in that they are attending a committee meeting or such, no phone call is ever made. How ridiculous!
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Security,
I find it strange how you attack me, about something i post " as in" walking thru the halls, yet that is the BONE you find you need to pick?
Seriously?
Maybe you should be responding to WHY lvcsd is not in the semifinalist for intel? But then that would make YOU wrong about ur precious SD!
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Haveyouwalkedthroughthehalls,
Do you really think your first sentence makes sense?
So you sign in and tell security you plan to walk through the halls while classes are in session?
Wow, and that is allowed? I guess I'll take your advise. I'll just sign in one day, walk through the halls and surprise my children. I hope a lot of other parents don't decide to do it the same day -- the halls might get crowed.
I can't tell you how much your writings reminds me of Syrett.
Lisa,
Yes, but I don't go to committee meetings. I go to see an administrator or teacher and a call is made to verify. So it is not ridiculous, it is policy.
Since you bring it up, I admit to smelling booze on your breath, more than once, and I can confidently tell you many others have as well.
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Anon or Believe or whatever cowardly name you pick,
The mere idea that you have ever been in such close physical proximity to me that you could smell my breath makes my skin crawl. Better get your sniffer checked, Zippy!
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Lisa,
Actually I smelled the booze from across the room. However, I admit you are queen of the blog. I quit, you win, these exchanges are degrading, what was I thinking.
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It looks like even when I don't post you are still thinking of me.....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2APSdTNOr4w
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2xEynavQ5M&feature=related
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http://biggovernment.com/tag/international-baccalaureate
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http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2011/06/international-baccalaureates-global.html
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http://portal.unesco.org/culture/en/ev.php-URL_ID=23991&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
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http://defeatcommunism.com/profiles/blogs/the-tides-foundation-george
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Typical childish name calling by "some" , still not willing to respond to the questions asked!
Why does it not bother YOU as parents, since most of you believe IB is a wonderful programme,
That NONE OF kids in the LVCSD even got into the SEMI FINALS!!!! anyone willing to answer that! Since we have such good " higher level" courses shouldn't we have had at least 1? Just 1? ANYONE,?
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Oh i just heard a news flash!
The weight room in the high school could not be used by students tonight, because "oakneck" was in their using it?
Even though they had been informed 2weeks ago they could not use the room
At that time!
But they and the coaches would not leave!!!
Anyone hear anything different or at ALL?
So my tax money is going to a school and the activities the kids do, but if oakneck ( not part of SD) is in their it is ok to not allow the high school
Students the room they needed?
Something sounds fishy?
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Anon,
Queen Lisa. Has a nice ring to it. Thanks! Now bring me a shrubbery!
"Winning!"
LOL!
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Anon,
Who is syrett?
Odd who you all think if someone "new" comes in saying other then good things about lvcsd, you assume its someone with a new user name! Please go walk thru the halls """""after signing in oh maybe to see the guidance office"""" but plz go!
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The halls of the LVCSD are all drabby and dirty. This school is the most depressing school I have ever been in.
Instead of buying new furniture for the teachers lounge can someone paint the halls and clean the floors?
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http://unitedwithisrael.org/us-says-no-to-pa-tv
PALESTINE=TERRORISTS=UNESCO=IB PROGRAM
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FYI - Teacher's lounge hasn't been updated in 20 years....if you are ever in the building peek in...it's hideous....
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Yes but was the Guidance office remake really needed? What a huge waste of our money!
Especially since when the kids are waiting for a bus or a lift their is ZNOT one bench for them to sit on!!!!
Anyone notice all the new Is that ( Sod) on the front? But yet the inside looks like c......
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Guidance office is ugly too and prob cost over $200,000. Would like to know who designed it. Have you seen the new Academic Center? It was an old computer room that they transformed. Looks like a big waste of money too.
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What room/rooms in the LVCSD was redone?
Big screen TV's office furniture.
According to the students there is a beautiful lounge somewhere.
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The removal of the handicap lift on the front stairway has left those stairs looking decrepit.
Actually, the floors in LVCSD buildings always USED to look immaculate.
Perhaps someone would like to scope out the IB Teacher Lounge in the new science wing. Be sure to sign in first ... LOL
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What a beautiful story!
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/01/12/homeless-long-island-teenager-is-intel-competition-semifinalist/
Btw, Brentwood is NOT an IB HS!
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I just read somewhere that about 2% of high schools in the U.S. are IB schools, is that correct?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=713KKTjfqS4&feature=channel_video_title
LVCSD proud support of this regime
IB=terrorism
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Open,
That is correct.
There are only 751 IB HSs. 90% of those are public. So 676 public IB HS's out of approx. 22,000 public HSs. However, there's nothing "elite" about that stat, as every school that applies for IB authorization gets it ..... as long as the checks are good.
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Ok, but I also read that 12% of the top 100 high schools were IB schools. That is quite an achievement.
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Are there qualifications for AP?
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/music-program-now-admits-to-being-behind-occupy-lyrics-in-third-graders-song
This is IB folks moving into the primary and intermediate schools if you don't speak up
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http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2006/apr06/ibo-controversy.html
PA state and UNESCO=IB programm
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Lawmakers in other states, including Texas, Florida, California and Colorado, have passed legislation mandating that state universities automatically give their students with IB diplomas a minimum amount of college credit hours, Good said.
The only way you get credit for IB is if the state was mandated to give you credit
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Open,
"12% of the top 100 HS"
That would be a reference to Jay Mathews' List which I have repeatedly proven to be a vapid, PR lollapalooza for IB. Last year, Newsweek was sold in a firesale for $1 and Jay's list has now been relegated to only the Washington Post.
Just so you know, back in 2004, after we learned that IB eliminated AP and Honors in LVHS, I filed a request to see the research done by LV IB Committee before arriving at the decision to go forward with IB. The ONLY document the district could produce was a letter to Jay Mathews complaining about where LVHS fell on his List.
Please read about Jay's List and me here: http://truthaboutib.com/ibinthemedia.html
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Actually, when I googled "Best high schools" it first Newsweek's 2011 survey. I went through each school to see what programs were offered and that is how I arrived at the 12%.
I also noticed a Washington Post survey and references to a number of columnists, one being Jay Mathews. I didn't research the offerings of each school from that list but plan to do so tomorrow.
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If you think the 2% tax cap is going to help us, watch out for Jack Dolce who said in a recent public meeting "(we) are exploring the possibility of going above the 2% tax cap mandated by New York State."
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Believe,
Yes, that is the article I read (Newsweek 2011), I wasn't judging programs, just wondering if there was a commonality to high schools that selected IB, since in number they are few.
I plan to also look at the Washington Post as well.
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Folks,
Believe/Belief/ANON/Anon/Anonymous(not all)
All the same person
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add "truth" and "Bob" to that list of aka's
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Here is a link to Newsweek's 2011 Best High School's List:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/features/2011/americas-best-high-schools.html
Note that there is NEW methodology.
Note that Locust Valley IS NOT ON THE LIST!
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Yes, this is the list I looked at. Among the top 100 high schools 12% were IB schools. I also looked at the top ten and 50% were IB schools. This list is not Jay Mathews'
So the question is: if the IBDP program is in only 2% of high schools nationwide, why is it that so many (12%, an increase of 6x) of the top 100 schools offer the program. Even more interesting, is why do half of the top 10 schools offer the program. The survey tells us the better the school the more likely it is to offer IB.
Do the best high schools, 50% of the top 10 schools, and 12% of the top 100 schools, select IB because it is a challenging program or does the selection of IB as a program propel high schools academically.
It will be interesting to see if the Washington Post and Jay Mathews' data shows similar results.
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We now have people coming on here pretending to be other people?
Real mature?
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really? that's outrageous! if people can't know who you really are, what's the point?
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^^^^^
^^^^need i say anymore^^^
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Open,
Are you talking about the magnet/charter IB schools in the top 10 that have pre-admission requirements? Can you really fairly compare those to a general public high school?
Note that Manhasset, Jericho, Wheatley, Cold Spring Harbor and other NON-IB LI HS's are in the top 100. LOCUST VALLEY IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND!
I think LV was 307 on Jay Mathews list. But, as I have said many times, my idea of an excellent school includes more than counting how many breathing bodies you can shove into AP/IB.
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haveyou how did you make those cool upside down v's that look like bridges going up? that is sweet looking!
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The criterion of the Newsweek survey is based on six different factors, not how many students take AP/IB classes.
The interesting and significant point is the best high schools in the U.S. according to this survey disproportionately offer the IB program.
My question is do they do this because they want to offer high performing students a challenging curriculum or does this challenging curriculum propel schools to higher performance? I don't care if the schools are public or private but only that they are identified and recognized as high performing.
I look forward to looking at the Washington Post information to see if the results are repeated. I also intend to interview school administrators.
I have no bias in this issue. I am not an IB or AP advocate nor am I concerned with any particular high school.
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Open,
This is the NEW Newsweek List. And with all due respect, your following statement is simply inaccurate:
"The interesting and significant point is the best high schools in the U.S. according to this survey disproportionately offer the IB program."
12 out of the top 100 is "disproportionate? That means 88 are AP.
Furthermore, you seem to completely disregard the FACT that out of the 27 LI HSs in the top 500, only 2 are IB. For God's sake man, WESTBURY HS is on the list and Locust Valley is not!
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Disproportionate to the total number of schools that offer the IB program, as i believe I already explained.
1- Only 2% of U.S. high schools offer IB yet
2- 12 %of the top 100 schools offer IB and
3- 50% of the top 10 schools offer IB.
So a reasonable question is why do the better performing and best performing districts have a much stronger affinity to the IB program?
I should have the data from the Washington Post survey this evening or tomorrow.
By the way, many of the top 100 high school listed neither the IB or AP programs.
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Many parents are voicing their concerns over the IB program. They would like the IB program removed from the curriculum but don't know how to go about removing it. What do the parents have to do to remove this program and let the school teach basic academics while offering regents, AP and honors? One parent suggested to vote on it during the May budget vote. Many parents agree that may be the only way to find out if the community wants the program or not.
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A group of parents are looking for an attorney to assist them in filing a law suit against the LVCSD to remove the IB program.
The IB program is NOT a NYS mandated program.
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2% tax cap....hmmmm...REMOVE IB
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I hope they put it on the ballot! It would be nice to have a vote on whether or not we have a say on IB OR NOT!!! But lets make sure they do not make it like they do in the past with drivers ed!!
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The will never put IB on the budget. They think that this program is a Gods sent. The PTA and parent councils have started their excessive emails and phone calls. Come to the buget meeting tomorrow night to discuss where we are witht the 2% tax cap. Save our school!!!! LOL, they should have started cutting 10 years ago when it was first introduced instead of the careless spending they did. Example, did we really need to offer the super that much money???? Do we really need to spend 100's of thousands of dollars on IB????? Should we start charging for drivers ed and other extracurricular programs???? There are a lot more questions that need to be answered instead of spewing the scare tactic tomorrow night at the "informational" one sided meeting.
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Remember parents when you go to this meeting tomorrow night one big thing
IB IS NOT A NYS MANDATED PROGRAM
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IB is not the only program that brain washes
The PTA's and parent councils have brain washed their membership
"Don't listen to the non believers"
"LVCSD is telling you the truth"
"The 2% tax cap will be detrimental to our curriculum"
LVCSD this is your challenge.
Present a budget within the 2% cap that will serve our children without comprimising any mandated programs, music, clubs, sports
You can pay the loans back with the money you spend on IB
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I just finished the analysis of the Washington Post survey. The results are essentially the same as Newsweek. The determination of the top schools is more narrowly focused, with the greatest weight given to the number of AP and IB test taken.
The results are most of the top schools are the same, although not all. The only major difference is that 18% of the top 100 high schools are IB.
So:
1- 2% of U.S. high schools have the IB program but
2- 18% in the Washington Post and 12% in the Newsweek top 100 schools offer the IB program and
3- 50% of the top 20 schools in the Washington Post survey and 50% of the top 10 schools in the Newsweek survey offer the program.
Does anyone have any rational thoughts on why the better the school the more likely it offers the IB program? I will do a telephone survey of 10 schools among the top 100 who offer IB and 10 who don't and see if it gives some insight. I find the results curious.
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it is indeed curious mr hunderfund
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Open,
You are assuming that the left-wing WAPO and Newsweek are "fair" judges of what constitutes a "top school". Let me remind you once again that LVHS is NOT a charter school. It is NOT a magnet school. It is NOT a private academy.
Btw, Open, I heard that at least 25 families pulled their children who would have been entering 9th grade from LVHS in order to avoid IB. Care to confirm?
Officially, LVCSD enrollment is down 2% since the implementation of IB.
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Hey Open, why don't you look at the list at U.S. News & World Report?
http://education.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-high-schools
Oh look! There's non-IB Jericho, Gold Medal. But where's LVHS? Yoooo hoooo, LV where are you?
What a shame Dr. Hunderfund didn't bring to LVHS what makes Jericho great.
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I don't know why you keep bringing up LVHS. My interest is in IB, not any particular high school.
One must wonder why this program does not have mass penetration but clearly has strong affinity with the best academic (I am agnostic as to private or public) high schools in the country
My interest in the what extent IB contributed to the excellence academics in these schools or if these schools enlisted IB to give high performing students a challenging curriculum.
I just spoke to the administration at "City Honors" in Buffalo, NY, the top performing high school in NYS in both the Newsweek and the Washington Post surveys, and they thinks it is both. The school has a complete IB program as well as AP. They have great things to say about both, and felt the interdisciplinary capability of IB was very important to developing clear thinking and providing the basics for a liberal arts arts learning experience. One administrator felt the two most challenging courses offered were AP Physics and IBHL Math.
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http://action.freedomworks.org/5812/end-federal-dept-education
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Open,
This is the Bayville Blog. I try to address IB as it affects LVHS and the LVCSD students and taxpayers. I don't know where you are from, but City Honors is a MAGNET program. I'm pretty sure I said 2x above, comparing a CHARTER or MAGNET program to a GENERAL PUBLIC HS is comparing apples and oranges. I don't know why you are incapable of understanding that.
http://www.cityhonors.org/
City Honors also has an ADMISSIONS PROCESS:
http://www.cityhonors.org/page/admissions-process/
LVHS must provide an appropriate education for ALL children. That includes discipline problems, children with special needs, average children and gifted children.
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When students apply to colleges and universities the admissions department isn't interested in whether a student went to a public school or private school or whether it has a magnet program or not-- it is concerned with the academic qualifications.
Are you saying IB is too difficult a program for public school students, who must be satisfied with AP?
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No, The Bayville community is saying IB is RUBBISH
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Open,
Did LVCSD post that IB Alumni video yet? Uhhhhh ..... nope. Just a load of sanitized pro-IB pablum: http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/default.aspx
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This is it folks
LVCSD proud sponsors of Hamas by continuing the IB program in the school district
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/marianne-gingrich-behind-the-scenes-081010
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From the above post, very interesting:
1- 2% of U.S. high schools have the IB program but
2- 18% in the Washington Post and 12% in the Newsweek top 100 schools offer the IB program and
3- 50% of the top 20 schools in the Washington Post survey and 50% of the top 10 schools in the Newsweek survey offer the program.
Does anyone have any rational thoughts on why the better the school the more likely it offers the IB program?
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Anonymous or Open,
I guess you simply are incapable of understanding what you have already been told. Very sad.
IB is a scam. Get rid of it and stop short-changing our students and ripping off LVCSD taxpayers!
Btw, did you see Newsweek's latest cover? That magazine isn't worth lining a bird cage with!
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Lisa,
You seem incapable of understanding the statistical evidence; the better the academic rating of the high school the more likely the school offers the IB program. Very sad
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Looks like Anonymous is seriously delusional.
IB is part of UNESCO.
UNESCO supports the PA state, a terrorists state they want to kill Americans
Since LVCSD has the IB program, in short this school district supports terrorism.
It does NOT matter how good the school is or isn't
The IB program MUST go.
This school distrcit and any other school district that has the IB program in the US will NOT recieve any more federal money because the US has cut all federal funding to UNESCO
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Anon,
The U.S. cutting off aid to UNESCO has nothing to do with federal aid given to states.
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Anonymous,
Cherry-picking biased rankings based on "IB/AP participation" (not pass rate or academic rating) of "Best High Schools" while ignoring U.S. News & World Reports where LVHS is nowhere to be found, is a shallow and delusional opinion. Of course you are entitled to have it. It is simply ignorant and non-objective.
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Newsday is based on six different factors, and AP/IB is only one of the factors. In fact about 1/3 of the schools in the top 100 list neither an AP or IB program. There is no cherry picking.
The same top schools appear over and over, and the fact is the better the high school the more likely it has an IB program.
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I wasn't ignoring U.S. News but was confining my finding to current (2011) results.
However, thanks for making my point. U.S. News ranked SOUTHSIDE HIGH SCHOOL, AN IB SCHOOL,THE TOP SCHOOL ON LI.
I am glad you endorse this survey.
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The parent councils are feeding false information to you regarding the 2% tax cap.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/25/nyregion/in-albany-agreement-is-reached-to-cap-property-tax-increases-at-2-percent.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
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http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/05/25/what-will-new-york-state-property-tax-cap-mean-for-local-schools
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http://www.osc.state.ny.us/localgov/realprop/faqs.htm
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http://www.questar.org/taxcap
It is true
School districts that have IB will no longer be recieving funding for the IB program due to UNESCO's support for the PA state
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http://search.nysed.gov/search?q=cache:4ZpVUsPNfQMJ:www.regents.nysed.gov/meetings/2008Meetings/June2008/0608sad1.doc+2%25+tax+cap&access=p&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&client=default_new_frontend&site=&proxystylesheet=default_new_frontend&oe=UTF-8
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most schools on Long Isalnd are already below the 2% tax cap.
http://search.nysed.gov/search?q=cache:p96w1uHJGvUJ:www.regents.nysed.gov/meetings/2011Meetings/June2011/611audbfsad1.doc+2%25+tax+cap&access=p&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&client=default_new_frontend&site=&proxystylesheet=default_new_frontend&oe=UTF-8
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http://search.nysed.gov/search?q=cache:9mnDDpZ4pzwJ:www.counsel.nysed.gov/Decisions/volume44/d15191.htm+IB+program&access=p&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&client=default_new_frontend&site=&proxystylesheet=default_new_frontend&oe=ISO-8859-1
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http://www.p12.nysed.gov/ciai/gt/ap/ibroster.pdf
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Truth or Lisa,
You don't know how to read a report. The report on budgets dealt with state percentages. . There was no specific breakout for LI, nor could one tell from the report how many districts passed budgets over 2%.
Not only that, the 2% cap is on the tax levy not the budget. if you do your research you will find out 105 of the 121 LI districts that had votes in 2011/12 had a tax levy over 2%., that works out to about 87%.
Who cares about the unsuccessful appeal you made to the Department of Education against the district six years ago. The commissioner essentially said in the rejection of the appeal you wasted his time and had absolutely no case. I don't know why you would even post such an embarrassment.
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if the locust valley school district REALLY supports terrorism and not just bad decision making in the athletic department somebody should let me know and I will keep the bridge up any time I see a car with a teachers union bumper sticker trying to get over
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Anonymous,
My appeal to the NYS Commissioner was to try and have IB placed on the ballot as a proposition for the voters of LVCSD to decide. You call that embarrassing? I am proud of filing that appeal. I wanted the voters and parents to decide whether IB was a worthwhile investment and a good "fit" for Locust Valley. We vote on Driver's Ed, don't we?
You should know by now that I am not Truth. I ALWAYS post under my real name and stand behind what I say.
Bridge mechanic,
LOL!
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As far as Southside goes, guaranteed they cook the numbers submitted to U.S. News and World Reports.
Btw, that's the same school that is going to FORCE ALL STUDENTS to take IB HL English.
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Guaranteed SS cooks the books. Provide the proof.
It is the same nonsense you spout about every person or organization that disagrees with you.
The Washington Post survey is biased since the leading schools offer IB.
Newsweek is biased as well since the leading schools offer IB
SHS cooks the books since it is the top LI high school but provides IB.
No, you don,t always post under your own name,
The facts are, as presented by Open (I know I'm Open).
1- Only 2% of hs offer IB.
2- 12 to 18% of top 100 high schools offer IB
3- 50% of top 20 high schools offer IB
4- SS high school is the top LI high school according to U.S. News
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FYI:
For anyone who has a problem with our culture's obsession with standardized testing at almost every grade level, here is some information you should know.
"Understand that you, as a parent, have the right to request your child opt out of the tests.
This is a little known, but very important, fact. School districts are required by law to inform parents of this right, but it's not widely advertised. There have even been cases where principals have pressured parents to not opt out because their child's score is needed to bring up the school's overall ranking."
http://family.go.com/parenting/pkg-learning/article-205674-what-every-parent-should-know-about-standardized-testing-t/
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Worth reading:
http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/20/will-standardized-tests-kill-reading/
http://family.go.com/parenting/pkg-learning/article-205674-what-every-parent-should-know-about-standardized-testing-t/
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aren't you tired of talking about this
nothing is going to change
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Chase,
Which were you referring to? IB or standarized tests?
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The PTA's and parent councils are feeding you with misinformation regarding the 2% cap tax.
To get the truth go to the New York State Department of Educations web site or search New York State 2% cap tax.
LVCSD will not be comprimising the education of your children by imposing the 2% cap tax.
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The mothers in the LVCSD parent councils are not going to give you the correct information about the 2% tax cap.
They did not research the information about the tax cap. They are providing you information that the school district wants you to hear so you support going above the tax cap.
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The mothers of the LVCSD are not giving ANY false information. I have been to these meetings and compared the info to NYS public sites and the information is accurate. Exact numbers cannot be given yet because they do not know all of them yet and they make a point of saying that. Have you been to any of the meetings or are you just guessing that is what they are doing? Much research has been done. The Parent Council has the children's best interest at heart. That should be obvious. And no one has said what budget numbers will be presented.
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PARENT COUNCILS/LVCSD
STOP USING THE EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION SYSTEM TO ANNOUNCE MEETINGS
THIS IS AN EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION SYSTEM
NOT TO BE USED FOR ANNOUNCING OF PTA MEETINGS
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So I see Mr. Dolce is whining in The Leader about a $3.4M deficit.
Wah, wah, wah
Too bad LVCSD has wasted over $2M on IB over the past 10 years!
Require parents to pay for their kids AP/IB exams instead of WE THE TAXPAYER!
Dump this money sucking scam of a program NOW!
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"Unlike the other schools which treat them as equals, the University of Michigan weighs AP verus IB in its admission process based on the level of rigor an individual student has undertaken and their academic performance.
For instance, a student who's obtained and IB diploma (a two year process) is considered by the University of Michigan to have a more rigorous workload than a student that took several AP classes."
Interesting quote, one can call the University of Michigan for verification or find this information, as I did, on the internet. Good luck Lisa. I guess the U-M is like Southside high school, and the Washington Post and Newsweek, although many consider it a top 50 University
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The bottom line.
Unlike other schools that don't have IB a larger number of their students attend more prestigious colleges, obtain prestigious awards and are much more successful in landing a higher paying job upon graduation
How many children from LVCSD with IB credits or diplomas have well paying jobs now????
I know one child that got an IB diploma and do you know what this child is doing now????
Not making six figures!!!!!
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anyone of these students have an IB diploma?
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/5-li-teens-are-intel-national-finalists-1.3476967
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Open,
Stop pulling imaginary quotes out of your ass. It's really an insult to my intelligence.
Here is University of Michigan's current IB credit policy:
http://www.admissions.umich.edu/drupal/ib-guidelines
NO CREDIT FOR SL IB EXAMS!
Here is the U of M's Advanced Standing Overview:
http://www.admissions.umich.edu/drupal/ap-ib-credit
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Open,
I think if you are going to make such a claim you're going to need more proof then i made a phone call!!
Nice, lisa!
I like to see someone backup their information!
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Lisa,
So you believe this is an imaginary quote? Really! How about this one.
"While AP and IB are both considered to be rigorous for the purpose of college admission considerations, IB courses are typically considered to be more-in-depth college preparation because IB courses span a two year period and cover additional content, "
Erica Sanders, Director of Recruitment and Operations for the University of Michigan.
Is this also an imaginary quote?
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Lisa,
I am surprised. I read the link you provided to UM admissions. It compliment IB and AP alike. It contradicts the IB assessment you promulgate. Obviously, the UM admission people think highly of IB?
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Lisa,
I am surprised. I read the link you provided to UM admissions. It compliment IB and AP alike. It contradicts the IB assessment you promulgate. Obviously, the UM admission people think highly of IB?
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Open,
If you can't supply a link to your imaginary IB loving friends and their statements, then I respectfully ask you to keep quiet.
I showed you UM's advanced credit policy. It FAVORS AP - not IB as fully HALF of all IB exams are SL and NOT AWARDED CREDIT!
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I thought maybe "Open" was pulling those imaginary quotes from the IB Playbook .... hmmmm, maybe he has an updated version:
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Upper_St_Clair.pdf
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Lisa,
Well, it seems UM thinks very highly of both AP and IB. Thanks for providing information from a leading University confirming the high academic regard for IB. The below courtesy of Lisa.
http://www.admissions.umich.edu/drupal/ap-ib-credit
Advanced Credit Standing
The University of Michigan encourages prospective students to challenge themselves and welcomes those who have gone above and beyond in their high school academics by taking Advanced Placement or International Baccalaureate courses. Typically, the 11th grade is the optimal time to start taking this course work if it is offered at your school. It’s a good idea to study subjects in which you are confident you will do well while at the same time seeking opportunities to challenge yourself.
As a result of having already successfully completed college-level work, some students can be admitted with advanced standing at the university. The larger benefit? By succeeding in rigorous academics before you enroll at the University of Michigan, you demonstrate that you are more than prepared to succeed at one of the most academically challenging institutions in the country. However, in addition to completing your AP/IB course(s), you must also perform successfully on the exam and earn a high score. Advanced Standing is only granted to students who have high exam scores
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Anonymous,
UMich holds IB HL courses in high regard. UMich does not award ANY college credit for IB SL courses/exams.
None of "Open's" imaginary quotes appear on the UMich website.
The facts are clear. A student at UMich who passes 6 AP exams, will be eligible for TWICE the number of college-credits as a full IB Diploma student.
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Unfortunately, because of IB's inflexibility, rigid regulations and poor fit with American public schools, a school cannot choose to simply offer an a la carte selection of HL IB courses. No. A district has to BUY the whole IB PROGRAM(ME) which includes Swiss regulations, Swiss Law and international bureaucracy which is simply UNNECESSARY!
Furthermore, IB's proprietary nature does not allow parents to review, online for free, the content of the IB course their child may want to take. Now why the hell is THAT acceptable to you? Why should PUBLIC school parents have to BUY a course guide from an NGO of UNESCO???
Do I need to go into IB's control of YOUR student's intellectual property?
This is a BAD, inferior overpriced product. Get it the hell out of Locust Valley. I am sick of it!
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Seems to me not only does the Director of Recruitment and Operations disagree with Lisa, she seems to feel IB is a superior program for college preparation.
"While AP and IB are both considered to be rigorous for the purpose of college admission considerations, IB courses are typically considered to be more-in-depth college preparation because IB courses span a two year period and cover additional content, "
Erica Sanders, Director of Recruitment and Operations for the University of Michigan.
Is this also an imaginary quote?
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You know, Erica Sander's position on IB seems to be consistent with those of the administrators at top high school in the U.S.
Oh, I almost forgot and consistent with the video Lisa provided of the Locust Valley IB graduates.
Lisa, you are a one person selling machine for IB.
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Anonymous,
What's your obsession with Erica Sanders? And why are you incapable of linking an article in which these imaginary quotes appear? Because when I Google Erica Sanders, I find the following article which doesn't even MENTION IB:
http://www.michigandaily.com/content/director-recruitment-university-discusses-universitys-preparation-projected-record-breaking-
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And I see LVCSD STILL hasn't posted the IB Alumni video to its website. (what a shock!)
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Everything you write is so negative. Have you ever looked at benefits or do you just like being a negative person? Most people do not agree with your bashing, insults and negativity. But have fun.....
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http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/307637/legislation-would-let-parents-pull-kids-from-school-district?CSAuthResp=1327672848%3Ai7d3v6mmj73n4mmunvsg9ht942%3ACSUserId%7CCSGroupId%3Aapproved%3ACC5DC22FBAFD0F1C355E51372437C2B0&CSUserId=29355&CSGroupId=1#comment-217846
I had the honor of meeting these 3 fine (R) NH Representatives back in October when I was invited to address the Merrimack SB.
Live Free or Die!
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Here is another one. Think this is imaginary, as well?
Judy Benfield Tatum, the director of undergraduate admissions and orientation stated, "Although Wayne State treats IB and AP students equally, students consistently do better on standardized tests when they have been in IB curriculums for a lengthy period of time."
She went on to say "IB curriculums are highly regarded. I don't know anyone in the field that would say they are not."
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Don't let Lisa once again hijack a blog with nothing but IB. There are more important issues at stake. Whoever responds falls into her playbook!!
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Anon,
As someone who has been around this district a looooooooong time, let me tell you how it was done back in the 90's.
The Principals developed their individual school budgets in December. By February, early March the latest, the district had put together an initial budget for the general fund. These large books were available at public budget hearings. People discussed things civilly and openly. Adjustments were made with public input prior to the final budget adoption in April(it might have to be 45 days before the actual vote, I'm not positive) Passing the budget was really never a question. In 1994, our budget was $24M.
This district has been operating in a totally non-transparent fashion since Dr. Singe was stabbed in the back by Lauren Straub, Ron Walsh and Dr. Chu.
Such short memories around here.
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Lisa, Give it up! your continued strikes against IB take away from the larger picture, THE SCHOOL! Our District has only improved since the years of Dr. Singe , Can you deny that? NO I DONT THINK SO!! When you go to sell your house it will sell a lot better if our school district has what it has now to offer. DO YOU WANT TO BECOME HEMPSTEAD? think about it sweetheart. Get off the IB issue and wise up. Your child went through the district, and I am sure is fine. Why hurt al those coming through? Why hurt our community with your misplaced anger? YOu are a broken record that many people are getting very tired of. Get a life! Why don't you come to some meetings and find out what is really happening? Haven't seen you there in a long time. You are out of touch and and angry woman. Too bad, so much talent misdirected.
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah lets worry about the price of our houses!!!!
WOW!!!!!!!!
I am in total shock at such a comment!
What i know about LVCSD IS THIS
And not eben IB that lisa talks about!
When i find 1 of my children is being shuffeled thru a "system" because -god forbid their standing should drop a level or 2! Is ASHAMED! and they outta be ashamed of themselves!
But my child is NOT the only one! Good thing i have a BIG BIG mouth because not any of MY children will be pushed thru a system for just so YOUR house will NOT go down in value or lvsd can become #1 !!!
And omg i cannot believe you can even say that!!!!!
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If your child is being shuffled through the system, I hope you are fighting for them.
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Oh yeah, she was being Shuffled!
Praise God He gave me eyes too see behind the fasade of the lvsd!!
Fight??? Why should "I" a tax payer like everyone else have to fight for
Anything, isn't that iTHEIR job to begin with!!!! Well????
Anyone have the answer to that one?
If your chd is NOT AP/ IB standards they get shuffled!!!
Just push them on up to honor classes and AP even if they really struggle and barely make it!!!
See thats why i came here to begin with! Not to debate IB!
Someone needs to really open the eyes of whats truley behind those walls!!!
And YES i am a fighter!!! They will NOT push my children thru like the others! B
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Maybe everyone should educated themselves as to what is really going on. The new tax cap in place will have a devastating effect on our public schools. This is not a scare tactic being used to pass budgets; it's a fact. How is even got passed remains a mystery to me. I encourage all parents to stop reading rumors/rants/personal opinions on this blog and go to a meeting. Ask your questions, educate yourself on the issues and make an informed decision on your own.
As for testing, that's a bigger concern and with the governor's new teacher observation plan, there will be a greater emphasis being placed on test scores. As parents we need to understand the bigger issues being implemented here.
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Anon,
When Dr. Singe was Superintendent, the HS profiles sent out to universities with student applications listed LVHS 'mean' SAT scores and the SAT average for the top 10%. The profiles also noted an average of 35-36 AP Scholars every year. These stats disappeared when IB was implemented in 2004. So I honestly can't tell you if there has been any improvement in LVHS's academic achievement over the past 8 years. But if you come up with that data online somewhere, do let me know.
My house has been on the market for over 7 months. I have reduced the price $100,000. This is THE worst housing market in HISTORY. When you can explain why a house in Brookville on the Jericho side of the line is worth at least $500,000 more than one on the LV side, get back to me.
And I am NOT your "sweetheart" you misogynist pig.
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Anon,
As I recall, LVCSD wiped out its "cushion" last year, in preparation for the 2% tax cap. While it is rare that I agree with a Democrat, I believe the 2% tax cap was a respectable move. Now LVCSD and every other public school district in NYS has to CUT THE FAT. I don't need to attend a budget meeting to listen to Jack and Hunderfund whine about "unfunded mandates". CUT THE FAT!
Implement a 1 mile transportation rule.(approx $1M in savings)
Cut IB/Model UN/IB Leadership Club ($200,000)
Cut over $50,000 on IB curriculum development
Consider Pay to Play for sports ($100 per sport)
Teacher/admin pay freeze
Get rid of that $10,000 computer teacher evaluation program - out of date, useless
Restore responsibility of paying for AP/IB exams to the parents ($100,000)
I am sick and tired of the whining, the games and the lack of transparency. If LVCSD tries to put forth a budget higher than 2% - VOTE NO!
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More suggested cuts?
I was always a big supporter of the arts. But there is absolutely no need to hire in the director and choreographer from BOCES. Nothing personal, but other districts don't do this, why does LVHS? Isn't someone teaching IB Theatre? There is no need to RENT backdrops - let the students paint them. There is no need to hire professional musicians - let the band/orchestra students supply the music.
There. I saved another $50-75,000.
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Tremendous article ! Thank you for the tips !
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
In LVCSD, EVERYONE gets a trophy, every child is gifted, every child receives a HS diploma and every teacher gets a raise.
But I'm pretty sure you knew that already.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_s2dfoCFxaI
NO IB IN HER SCHOOL!!!!!
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The brainwashing meetings being held by the mommies of the PTA and parent councils are not educational.
The fact is, is that most schools on Long Island have been aware of the tax cap for a few years and have been working with budgets of 2% or less. Read the legislative documents.
If this tax cap is going to be so devistating then why won't the district present a proposed budget?
They want you to vote to support going over the tax cap so they can present a budget without cutting the fat!!!!!!
They are playing the bait and switch tactic. Don't fall for it.
If you show up for a meeting they will count you in as part of the 60% needed to go above the tax cap.
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The 2% figure is not based on a budget-to-budget increase. The 2% cap is a cap on the tax levy. In actuality, if LV were faced with the 2% limit, the actually budget-to-budget increase would be around .70%, not 2% as you quoted. Another reason to go to the meetings and educate yourself about what the tax cap entails. I'm sure LV would have no problem working around a 2% budget-to-budget increase but that will not take place due to the tax cap.
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The problem is that most people don't understand the concept about the 2% being based on the tax levy NOT budget to budget. That makes all the difference. I don't want my taxes to go up, but I want to maintain the quality of education for our kids. We have to get the word out about the levy so people can make and educated decision.
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North Shore just announced their tentative budget. It calls for laying off 19 teachers to pay for the unfunded state mandates. What are they wasting money on, they don't have the IB.
The article suggested the administration was warned by the state not to put out a budget greater than 2%. Great to be in America, a community must get 60% to pass a school budget, and even if you try the states warns you there will be consequences for the effort.
What right does NYS have to tell local communities they can not pass a budget if the majority of the community votes to do so.
Part of NS's expenses is to change the entire curriculum to the "core curriculum". This is now required by the state since it accepted federal funds for race to the top. So the federal government now sets curriculum for local school districts.
Great, now Jericho will have the same curriculum as NYC.
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Yes, I read the article. The NS superintendent said the district may need to cut an additional $2m.
Syosset said it will attempt to piece the cap. It said the district has no intention to sacrifice quality education for its children to pay for academically unsound, unfundated state mandates. It believes it community respects quality education and it can get the 60% vote.
Any bets on what Jericho will do?
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Give it up Lisa. The academic community, both at the University and Secondary school levels, are clear on the academic excellence of IB.
Open wrote:
Here is another one. Think this is imaginary, as well?
Judy Benfield Tatum, the director of undergraduate admissions and orientation stated, "Although Wayne State treats IB and AP students equally, students consistently do better on standardized tests when they have been in IB curriculums for a lengthy period of time."
She went on to say "IB curriculums are highly regarded. I don't know anyone in the field that would say they are not."
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If LV were to adhere to the 2% tax levy cap, the deficit would be about 3 million dollars. That's a lot of money and our kids would lose a lot. Again, please make an effort to attend these meetings, hear what is being said, ask your questions and form your own opinion. Having young kids myself I don't want to sacrifice any of the programs we have at the school and cutting IB won't give us 3 million dollars.
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Anonymous,
You should become a joke writer for Letterman! At least you have an IB-vivid imagination! (hint- no source, no credit)
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So the question is: Will LVCSD go the way of Northshore and make massive teacher cuts or Syosset and try and penetrate the cap?
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Newsday 1/28/2012
http://www.newsday.com/news/high-pensions-for-retired-school-officials-1.3483004#6
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Anon,
In order to come up with $3M, you have to cut SOMEWHERE. $300,000 is 10% of $3M (IB and returning cost of AP/IB exam fees to parents). My transportation one (1) mile rule would generate approx. another $1M. Pay to play, another $200,000.
You don't want to "sacrifice" any programs. Many of us don't want to PAY for wasteful, outrageously expensive programs. The days of reckless, elitist, European spending are OVER!
Time to start thinking about what you are WILLING to sacrifice in order to retain reasonable class sizes and decent teachers.
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These meetings are one sided and by the comments above this school district is saying that parents can't read and have no comprehension skills?
Research this inforamtion it is on the web sites then if you do go to the meetings challenge the administration with your questions.
"Part of NS's expenses is to change the entire curriculum to the "core curriculum". This is now required by the state since it accepted federal funds for race to the top. So the federal government now sets curriculum for local school districts."
Isn't IB part of the race to the top?????
Doesn't the LVCSD accept federal money for the IB program?
Folks get rid of the IB program.
As much as you want to believe it is good for the youngters it is not. It is very costly and if this district cuts it out there will be no other programs cut and no layoffs.
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GET IB THE HELL OUT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA'S PUBLIC SCHOOLS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o8YDnd1Yoyk
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http://www.osc.state.ny.us/localgov/realprop/index.htm
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I keep posting the links from the senate on the tax cap and it keeps getting deleted????
I guess the school must be censoring this blog!!!!
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I will be printing the contents of the link that I keep posting on the 2% tax cap and posting it at the IGA
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Try typing in the following:
www dot nysenate dot gov forward slash press-release forward slash senate-passes-property-tax-cap-legislation
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The bill, which is supported by business organizations across the state, includes the following provisions:
> A school district's tax levy limit, excluding the taxes necessary to support the local share of capital expenditures, could increase by up to the lesser of two percent or the annual increase in the consumer price index ("CPI");
> A school district would be allowed to carry over unused tax levy capacity from the prior year, but could use this carryover levy capacity to increase its tax levy only an additional 1.5% in any year; and
> In the event a district's actual tax levy exceeds its authorized levy due to clerical or technical errors, the erroneous excess levy must be placed in reserve to offset the levy for the next school year.
> A school district would be required to submit a tax levy proposition for approval by voters at the district's annual meeting on the 3rd Tuesday in May. If the proposed tax levy is within the district's tax levy limit, then a majority vote would be required for approval. If the proposed tax levy exceeds the district's tax levy limit, then the vote threshold required for approval would be 60 percent.
> If the tax levy proposition is defeated, then the district would be required to submit a second levy proposition for approval, that complies with its tax levy base, by voters at a district meeting held on the 3rd Tuesday in June. If the proposed tax levy is within the district's tax levy limit, then a majority vote would be required for approval. If the proposed tax levy exceeds the district's tax levy limit, then the vote threshold required for approval would be 60 percent.
> If the second proposition is defeated, then the district would be required to adopt a tax levy that is no greater than the prior school year.
If enacted, the law would take effect for the 2012-13 school year.
The bill also provides for the same cap to apply to taxes levied by municipal governments. Local governments that do not levy an amount up to the cap in one year can rollover that amount up to 1.5 percent in the following year.
The property tax cap legislation has tremendous support, not only among taxpayers throughout the state, but among major business organizations.
Dean Norton, President, New York Farm Bureau said: “It is no secret the state’s economic environment has been spiraling ever lower over the past decade. This lagging business environment has taken a considerable toll on economic development and job growth, especially in upstate New York. A primary reason for our bleak competitive standing is the state’s extremely high property tax rates – among the highest in the nation. This legislation would limit growth of property taxes from year to year and bring financial relief to homeowners and businesses in New York State.”
Brian Sampson, Executive Director of Unshackle Upstate said: “The Senate's passage of a two percent property tax cap is a huge step forward in providing New York'
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http://www.brittonkill.k12.ny.us/district/Budget/understanding_tax_cap.asp
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http://www.socsd.org/centraloffice/propertytax/propertytax-Q@A.pdf
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http://www.empirecenter.org/Special-Reports/2011/11/proptaxcapguide113011.cfm
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School districts like Brittonkill have posted the above link on their schools web sites.
Why hasn't LVCSD done the same?
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http://www.capitalregionboces.org/taxlevycap
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http://www.capitalregionboces.org/taxlevycap/TaxLevyCapPDF.pdf
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Anonymous made my brain hurt. Bridge Mechanic, I think you need to keep the bridge up when she's out walking her dog.
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Once communities learn that education has become centralized they will focus their attention on the issues that are causing property taxes to increase:
1- out of control state pension, written into the state constitution and paid to among others, our state politicians.
2- In most cases the increase in pension contributions by a district will exceed the entire tax cap. In other words, the pension contribution the state requires school districts to pay in more than the 2% property cap.
2-The state this year alone, through the state Regents increased unfunded mandates more than the the 2% cap. One mandates requires, even the best, most successful school districts with 99% and 100% to change their successful curriculum and adopt the "core curriculum" used unsuccessfully by the federal government to raise scores in low performing school districts. The state did this to get aid from the federal government; half of which goes to the state and the other half to school districts chosen by the state. These mandates are what caused North Shore, a very successful academic district, to already announce it is firing 19 teachers.
3-The state supports the Triborough Amendment, which mandates that public employees continue to receive pay increases and benefits even when a contract has expired. The effect is unions are guaranteed increases even if they don't bargain.
I am all for a property tax cap, but the state politicians must revamp the CURRENT pension system it pays itself (not future employees) As I stated these contributions alone are greater than the entire 2% cap. It must suspend the Triborough amendment, which gives automatic raises when contracts expire. and it needs to stop the hundreds of millions of unfunded, academically unsound, mandates to some of the top school districts in the country.
Since these mandates must be paid and since in most cases the amount is double or triple the 2% cap, districts adhering to the cap will have no choice but to pay these expenses by cutting teachers and programs. That is why the answer is pension reform, suspending Triborough and eliminating the mandates.
If the state does this a sound educational system might exist with a 2% cap. Without it districts like North Shore will fire teachers, Hunnington will cut kindergarden, and Islip will close two schools. And this is just the beginning if voters don't speak up.
Least you doubt this go to 'youtube' and look up first to worse. It is the story of California going from the best state in the country for public education to last by implementing a tax cap and centralizing school decision making.
North Shore didn't want to lay off 19 teachers. It was forced to pay the pension cost of politicians and support centralized academic decisions made by the state.
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Lisa,
The busing is equal to 2.5 million. The state rule is k-8 you must live more than 2 miles from the school, grades 9-12 you must live more than 3 miles from the school. Imagine if they were to cut the busing.... imagine the Bayville/LV students that will have to find a way to school. I'm not sure too many parents will be happy with that. As for pay to play, it is estimated that to play football would cost each student $1200. My son plays and I say it will be cheaper to pay the few hundred dollars in tax verses $1200 for one sport.
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Research,
All valid reasons for kicking the union out of LVCSD entirely! Privatize it! You want to be a 21st Century trendsetter? Be daring!
Anon,
Thank you for providing me with the current state guidelines. It's not as though we have 5' of snow and 6 lane highways these kids would have to walk along. Al we hear is, "Wah, wah, wah, your kids are too fat, they don't exercise enough ...... and ..... you're ruining our planet, all those bus fumes, wasting oil ..... go greeeeeeeeeeeeen .... but in this district, if you live 20' from the school, your kid is on a bus route.
Carpool. Walk. Ride your bikes. Everyone here claims to admire Europe so much - have you ever been to Amsterdam? Nobody drives a car, all bikes.
As to the pay to play, I would think the fund would have to be set up in a way that each sport would be the same fee - $100 per sport. Then LVCSD has to figure out how to manage each sport successfully on the budget provided. Football should not be given preference over say girls tennis or field hockey. Title 9.
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Lisa,
Jack Dolce has already been going in the direction of "privatizing it". He goes around treating lv like his own private school. Not all boe know what's going on. One boe told me s/he does not even know what's going in the budget.
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As you well know, this is not a right to work state and public schools can not hire non union employees.
Dismantling public education will not happen. What will happen is what happened in California; parents with any means sending their children to private schools and the rest of the population going to run down public schools unable to provide a basic education.
From a practical point of view, we need smaller government. The Regents shouldn't be telling local communities how to run their districts and mandating curriculum to collect federal aid, Especially LI schools, many of whom are the best in the country. The state has no right to legislate a 65% vote for anything. Our founding fathers must be turning in their graves.
As taxpayers we must demand the state reform pensions, suspend Triborough and stop the hundreds of millions of dollars in educationally unsound mandates. The nerve of the Regents to tell Jericho to spend millions to change its curriculum.
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Anonymous,
Actually, public education falls entirely under the 10th Amendment and States rights. You are correct of course, the NY Progressives LOVE their unions. This is one of the reasons we want to move to a right to work state.
LI's 124 or whatever school districts is an INSANE number! Consolidate! Eliminate half of these 1%er Superintendents! Make it so that a teacher from LVHS can be transferred to Hicksville HS if that's where they are needed. I could see busting up Nassau County in 5 major districts. Down south, school districts are COUNTYWIDE.
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rub,
That's a shame. And they crowned him King of the Board. Only Stimola had the guts to oppose his coronation.
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Lisa,
My boe friend told me that Jack Dolce said to them only he is qualified to be the boe president.
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Great idea, consolidate districts. Soon LI can have big, effective districts like NYC, Rochester, Buffalo Syracuse and Utica.
Big bureaucratic inefficient wast lands. NYC has one superintendent but an administrative budget as a percent of per pupil cost greaten than any school district in the state. Oh, and the quality of education -- first class. They now have graduation rates over 50%, that is until it was found out they were cheating. It is why the elite on the West side send there kids to public schools -- NOT.
What a stupid idea. Take the ares with arguably the best school districts in the country and disband them.
Oh, yes and of all regions of the country to emulate the south. People come from all over the world to send their children to schools in Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia and Louisiana.
Good God!!!
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The employees can vote the union out.
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Am I the only one that finds it ironic that Lisa criticizes children for being too fat. I mean....... really
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-singer/new-york-state-teachers-f_b_836876.html
BTW: Lisa is not criticizing children for being fat Moochelle is criticizing children for being fat. Lisa is just mocking Moochelle
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http://www.unionfacts.com/union-member-resources/how-to-decertify-your-union
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Sorry, but in NYS the union cannot be voted out of a public school.
BTW: I see Lisa riding in her car. Maybe I miss it but I don't see her riding back and forth on her bike.
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Come on!!!
Has anyone seen the buses? Most of them especially the elememtary, have 3/4 kids on each any given day!!
Is their any reason why we need 2/3 buses going down perry ave? Bayville ave? Picking children up from one side of the street and one bus from the other? If one side just crossed the street that would get rid of 1 bus down perry, 1 bus down bayville ave, and they still would not be full!!!
And why do the children that live on wansor and literally across the street from BI need a bus? Because we all are lazy!!!
Lisa is right! The kids should be walking/ riding bikes! I did when i was a kid, and i still do!
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The 10th amendment allows for decisions to be made by local boards, and research indicates the best performing schools have local decision making. Of course, local districts are responsible to the state.
One would think, the Regents would decentralize as much as possible since their results, since the 1790's, have been pathetic.
Certainly, micro managing LI schools is a mistake.
What is NOT allowed in the constitution is federal involvement and that is exactly what NYS did by accepting Federal Aid. The federal government is now setting education policy in NYS. The core curriculum is not a Regent curriculum but federal. The core curriculum has now crept into most states. Why are conservatives and libertarians allowing this clear violation of the constitution.
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You are,right, the state accepted federal funds and in so doing so has to adhere to certain rules. Look people we are all in the same boat... no one wants hire taxes, no one wants a lousy school system, unfortunately, the state constitution doesn't allow us to change pensions for teachers. THIS IS something STATE Legislators have to fix. COME to the Grenville Baker Boys and Girls Club on Tueesday, February 2nd, and talk with our State Senator Carl Marcellino. Ask him your questions, tell him how you feel, maybe we can get something accomplished.
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10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
What are you going to get accomplished? Nothing. Marcellino is a Progressive. I think the average IQ in this forum is around 78, and it is only that high because of Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls and myself.
How pathetic is it that a discussion about cutting millions from the budget by reducing busing has to turn into "Lisa is a fatty fat fatso!"
Really .... grow the F up!
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Quite honestly
How many people can get a job, some not even do a good job at it, and never be fired? Not a thing you can do about it?
Because they have tenure??? What kinda BS is that?
Yes there are alot of wonderful wonderful teachers in Lvsd but their are SOME that need to go!
And we are still paying BENSTOCK to sit on his a$$ with my tax money because he is still getting paid!!!
Now let me ask when he is PROVEN guilty does he have to pay ALLL THAT MONEY BACK????
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Teachers can be fired. It's called a 3020A procedure.
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The conversation was about voting out the union not firing an individual teacher.
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Agreed. And as far as I know we, as taxpayers, can't vote out the union. It would have to come from the teachers themselves or possibly from Albany. Neither scenario is likely. Meanwhile I think we should be focusing on how we are going to live within our means.
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Yes, let's live within our means.
The unfunded educationally unsounded mandates imposed on NY school districts for the 2012/13 school year EXCEEDED the entire amount of the 2% tax cap. Left with other unfunded mandates, including increased pension expenses, which also exceed the 2% tax cap, (unfunded mandates in total are about 250% more than the tax cap) the exceptionally fine academic North Shore school district had no choice but to announced the firing 16 to 18 teachers.
It seems the job of the North Shore administration and BOE will be to determine what programs and teachers to cut to pay for unfunded state mandates.
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Anon,
Well then start by cutting the NON-MANDATORY IB Program(me)!
DOH!
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when did everyone start hating teachers because of their retirement.are you going after the police next or maybe the firemen? shouldn't they be compensated for teaching your brats and putting up with some of you parents all these years?
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LOL
Nice!!
DOUG, i agree isn't that # for emergencies?? Think i'll give a call to the admin building tomorrow! I have had enough! Makes me not want to vote at all! Out of spite!
But way more mature then that!
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The North Shore school district does not have the non mandated IB program, they have the non mandated AP program.
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the teachers CAN vote the union out
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Please document that a teacher's union can be voted by the teachers and NOT replaced by another union.
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by law if you have a closed union shop everyone has to be union member
the union members can disassemble if they get 75% vote
so go get those cards and get the members, not just teachers, to fill them out
LVCSD union members if you want to do something right it is now time to do the right thing for the children and this community
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I think it's best to focus on reality and not be delusional here. Getting rid of the union is NEVER going to happen. Would you even consider asking the police or firemen to disband their unions? Why the teachers? Give me a break.
What is going to happen is that this 2% tax cap and how it's going to affect the school district. Maybe we should focus on that instead of going off in la la land....
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Who decides what announcements go on the emergency notification system?
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Well, the community voted out those guys that took a stand and the new boe led by its liberal president signed the current union contract negotiated by president's classmate and buddy. That's why we are in trouble now.
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Yes, a community would ask the police or firemen to disband in order to maintain costs.
That is the way this country is going.
This country was almost 100% union it is now only 30%
Slowly the unions are melting away and this little community can start by asking the teachers to decide what they want a job or the union.
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@Doug
The FCC stated that the use of the emergency notification system is for emergencies only
FCC.gov
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The LVCSD seems to think that since all other schools use their emergency notification system to make general announcements they should as well!!!!
When will someone in this district stand up and say we need to do what is right instead of doing what everyone else is doing????
Just because everyone else is doing it does that make it the right thing to do!!!!
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"Why are conservatives and libertarians allowing this clear violation of the constitution"
Hold on
IB is a federal programme funded by federal money for poor performing schools
One person has been telling everyone that for over five years but it has fallen on deaf ears
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Many schools that have IB are not public schools and do not receive federal money.
Most public schools that have the IB program do not receive federal money. LVCSD does not receive federal money for IB.
IB is not a federal program. Haven't you been listening to LIsa . IT is a international program endorsed by the U.N. The fed gov probably supports some aid for poor performing school districts to adopt IB! But that is afar cry from a federal program.
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Many schools that have IB are not public schools and do not receive federal money.
Most public schools that have the IB program do not receive federal money. LVCSD does not receive federal money for IB.
IB is not a federal program. Haven't you been listening to LIsa . IT is a international program endorsed by the U.N. The fed gov probably supports some aid for poor performing school districts to adopt IB! But that is afar cry from a federal program.
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Under the Obama administration and the 2009 ARRA and Race to the Top, over $10 Billion of U.S. taxdollars have been made available to implement "innovative programs" in Title I schools. Schools which have 40% or more free and reduced lunch students are considered Title I schools. Schools with less than 40% FRL, are called Targeted Assistance Title I. Only schools with 40% or more FRL are legally eligible to use Federal grant money to "launch" the IB PYP or MYP. Unfortunately, there are Superintendents in the U.S. who never bothered to read the fine print and who attempted to use ARRA money in Targeted Assistance schools for IB. I have caught one in NY and one in Ohio. Both of these Superintendents RETURNED most of the ARRA money and are now claiming they can pay for IB with Title IIa money.
Long Beach HS received $1.3M from ARRA for IB. However, the ARRA money has a time stamp on it and IB fees never go away, they increase annually. Once the Federal "free money" is no longer available, the local taxpayers will have to pick up the bill in order to "sustain" IB.
http://truthaboutib.com/images/IB_ARRAGuideFinal_-_race_to_the_top.pdf
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Think this doesn't matter? Think again!
http://www.republicanassemblies.org/rnc-adopts-resolution-exposing-agenda-21/
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Bin listenin but clearly you haven't
YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT YOU AGREE WITH LISA!!!!
SAY NOT TO IBO
IB IS A FEDERALLY FUNDED PROGRAMME FOR LOW PERFORMING SCHOOLS AND IS RUN BY UNESCO A
UN ENTITY
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IB is not run by UNESCO.
IB is NOT a federal programs but among a number of 'innovative educational programs" Title 1 schools may consider to get SHORT TERM federal grant funding.
Very, very few IB schools are Title 1 schools. In fact, the profile of an IB school is usually high wealth, high performing. Many are private or magnet schools.
LVCSD is not a Title 1 school and does not get federal aid to support any of its programs, including AP or IB.
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The outstanding North Shore school district just fired 19 teachers to fund, among other mandates, switching to the "core curriculum" which NYS obliged itself to by accepting federal "Race to the Top" dollars.
So NYS abdicated its constitutional right to education for money and gave it to the federal government. I feel sorry for the students at North Shore who will now have an inferior curriculum designed for "at risk" students. I can just imagine what will happen in Jericho once the community understands what is going on.
And Senator Marcellino's reaction; "I am only one man." Within 36 months NYS will drop from a state ranking of 38th to last.
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Thanks for the solid finance foundation laid by former Board members, who are no longer on the Board, and our current Superintendent. We will be able to weather this tsunami much better than our neighboring districts. When they used to sound the alarm, no one listened. Now, it unfortunately has come true.
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IB IS A UNESCO PROGRAMME
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http://www3.unesco.org/iycp/Report/IBO.pdf
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Looks like UNESCO AND IBO are one!!!!!
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IBO=UNESCO=TERRORISM
LVCSD PROUD SUPPORT OF HAMAS
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I think you have been owned!!!!
UNESCO/UN/AGENDA 21/TERRORISM/HAMAS/PA STATE=ALL ONE
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Bill wrote:
"Very, very few IB schools are Title 1 schools. In fact, the profile of an IB school is usually high wealth, high performing. Many are private or magnet schools."
I'm sorry Bill, but that is simply incorrect. LVHS is an IB anomaly. I know you'd like to think IB is this "rigorous, elite programme", but the FACT of the matter is the vast majority of public IB programs around the country have been implemented in the poorest schools SO THAT THE DISTRICTS CAN TAP FEDERAL TITLE I MONEY!
IB is nothing more than "social justice"
Btw, LVMS is Targeted Assistance Title I.
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And of course, I always back up my statements with reports direct from IBO:
http://blogs.ibo.org/addressingaccess/files/2009/03/ibsurveyreportfinal.pdf
"Since 2003, International Baccalaureate has been engaged in a deliberate effort to increase access and expand “pathways” to the IB Diploma, and to create new supports to assist schools, particularly Title I schools, in that effort."
"of the schools now affiliated with International Baccalaureate, 92% are public schools, and almost one-third receive some form of Title I funding."
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You link is a report outlining the LESS THAN 30% of total IB SCHOOL (public and private) that receive "some sort of Title 1 funding"
That means the overwhelming majority, over 70% are non Title 1 schools. LV is not an anomaly, it is part of this large majority.
And as someone posted, 50% of the top 20 high schools in the U.S. are IB schools, while IB represents only 2% of the total high schools in the U.S. That is a high performance profile.
By the way, the report indicates IB is helping students in Title 1 schools achieve better academic performance.
I think it noble that IB is reaching out to poor performing, low wealth schools to give those students the benefits afforded to affluent private and magnet school students.
To be fair, I should have said, "very few IB schools are Title 1, not very, very, and I admit I thought the number with Ttitle 1 funding was around 20%.
Still my statements and basic premise are correct.
Thanks for the link, the report was interesting.
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I still am wondering why they are pushing the children that are STRUGGLING ( and these are the kids thar really want to do well) into IB AP classes , and getting 65's and they believe that is ok!
When they could possibly be in the top of their class in a regents class?
But no they have to go for extra help during lunch and after school just to pass?
Smh
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Bill,
Unfortunately, that report was from 2008, pre-2009 ARRA and Race to the Top. I guarantee you that with the infusion of Federal grant money, that percentage is closer to 50%.
I really wish you IBelievers would stop referring to Jay Mathews' lame Best High Schools list. Not only did he use an inaccurate figure of 27,000 HS's (it's much closer to 22,000) his List excludes TOP HS's like Thomas Jefferson where student SAT averages exceed 1300 and is based primarily on the number of students who sat AP/IB exams - not the number that PASSED. For that reason, LVCSD has pushed students who were not prepared for AP/IB exams to take them because LVCSD can stick the cost of those exams to the taxpayer. I don't know what it will take to wipe away the IB cobwebs from your eyes. It's very sad that so many still cling to the false promises and glossy marketing of IB while forcing other areas of the school to suffer.
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Haveyouwalkedthroughthejhalls,
Would you mind please taking some extra help in English, just to the point that your posts are readable.
Thank you
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Anon,
Do you wake up so nasty and snarky every day?
Read the message, don't attack the messenger. Btw, I had the pleasure of meeting Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls and her lovely family so back off, clown.
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Lisa, Do you honestly think that taking away IB will even begin to conquer the budget and tax cap situation? Do you also think that children who want to exceed standards should not have that opportunity? SO does that mean all of the outstanding things that LVCSD does for Special Needs kids should be removed as well. I support all of the children! Not just my own. I do not believe you are the same. I do not have children in IB, they have the option and I am glad that they do. It is not a terrorist program. I have never heard anything more ridiculous. We need to fight for relief of Unfunded Mandates that waste money and do not help the children. You really have no backing for thinking IB is harmful. I myself am glad I live in a district that offers programs for all needs. Do you not like people who like to excel? You were degrading and disrespectful to the graduates who are clearly so proud of themselves. Maybe you need a job.
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Lisa Did you maybe at one time apply for a teaching job at LVHS and were turned down this may explain alot.
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Informed Parent,
First of all, LVCSD receives money from NYS for every classified student enrolled. I have NEVER suggested cutting funding for children with special needs and in fact, was one of the first VP's of SEPTA in this district.
You can keep your head in the sand and deny the facts I present to you. I can't help you there. None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
$300,000 is $300,000. It's a dent.
Cut transportation to 2 mi. - $1M saved
Save your pathetic personal attacks. What I need is a buyer for my house to get away from narrow-minded, selfish, petty cowards like you.
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Deny the facts you present to me? It is not even worth communicating with you on this any longer. I find it and you embarrassing. I am more informed than you even know but I will fight for the children and you can keep being about as unclassy and offensive to our students as I have ever seen. Interesting that you want these cuts when your kids are no longer there. Would you have suggested cutting transportation to 2 miles when you needed the buses? Many people, especially working parents, would be in a tight spot with that one but you don't care because it doesn't affect you. IB is a great program that opens their minds to other options. But close minded people don't like it. Good luck to you. I actually pity you. I will spend my time with things that matter. Not the Bayville Blog anymore.
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Chase???
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IB is a NON mandated programme
Cutting IB would be a start in cutting the fat in the budget
IB only serves a handful of children in this district
IB is a program through UNESCO funded by the federal government for poor performing schools
UNESCO voted in the PA state, therefore supporting terrorist. The US cut funding UNESCO after UNESCO voted in Palestine because of an agreement made many years ago that if any UN organization supported Palestine, terrorists, the US would stop sending financial support.
At face value IB looks like a good program. The bottom line is to achieve one world order under the authority of the UN and their declaration of peace.
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Exactly so, More Informed Parent. In fact, I just came across a document that is one of IBO's "proprietary" documents that is only supposed to be viewed by teachers and administrators. Although this is for the PYP, IB's "philosophy" and agenda is fluid throughout all three of its program(mes):
http://www.itari.in/categories/PYP/IBOPYP.pdf
Let me refer you to page 3:
"The PYP believes that the attempt to define the ideal of internationalism in ever clearer terms and the
struggle to move closer to that ideal are central to the mission of PYP schools.
Given the complexity and variety of PYP schools and the abstract nature of the concept itself it would be
naive to propose any simple definition and expect it to stand up to rigorous examination. Rather, the PYP
would suggest that any definition is likely to be compound, reflecting a range of interrelated factors. What
these factors might be is suggested later in this perspective.
However, in examining these factors during the years since the inception of the PYP, one aspect of PYP
schools emerges, not only as the most significant, but also as the common ground on which PYP schools
stand, the essence of what they are about: this is the kind of student who we hope will graduate from PYP
schools, the kind of person we would proudly call an internationalist."
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/internationalist
internationalist - a member of a sociali-t or communi-t international
International - any of several international sociali-t organizations
Please read the SS "unity of inquiry" on Islam. It's a beauty.
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"back off clown" is attacking the message and not the messenger?"
Really, Lisa you are nothing if not a human attack machine on anyone who disagrees with you. Very direct personal attacks., lead by your favorite disparaging negative description "moron", not to mention the most recent NARROW MINDED,SELFISH, PETTY COWARD. Is this focusing on the message or the messenger. What duplicity!
Besides the advise to Haveyouwaledthroughthehallslately is constructive. The posts are virtually unreadable . The point is not the message but the messenger who cannot or will not write a coherent sentence.
I didn't see it at all as an attack based on content disagreement, but a request to write to be understood.
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IB is not a 2% budget cap issue, as illustrated by North Shore. As noted in a prior post North Shore does not have IB but the non mandatory AP.
North Shore just announced it will cut 19 teachers, ABOUT 10% OF THE TOTAL faculty. Islip just announced closing two schools and Huntington eliminated full day kindergarden. Neither school has the IB program.
The issues are public pension which are out of control and need immediate reform. The increase pension expense to North Shore's from the state is more than the entire 2% tax cap. That's the problem
In addition the state continues to impose other unfunded mandates. The requirement to change to the "core curriculum" and train staff to administer AARP and increase student intervention, cost NS more than the tax cap.
So NS's mandated increases from the state, just on these two items, is double the tax cap.
IB,AP or administrative expenses are not the issue. The pension system and mandates are.
Without changes at the state NY will quickly go the way of California.
Lisa , just kidnaps every discussion and turns it into an IB discussion.
Just ask the parents at NS, Islip, Huntington or William Floyd, for that matter, who fired 200 teachers in the last two years what IB had to do with the devastating financial cutbacks. The answer; absolutely nothing.
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Heather,
Bite me.
Thomas,
ALL districts are going to have to find the money to pay those public pensions and benefits. DUH! And I'm sick and tired with the whining about UNFUNDED MANDATES.
Get an Obama waiver from NCLB. NYS has allowed the teacher's union to enslave our school districts - so unless you can convince the Democrat NYS legislature to make NY a right to work state and bust up some of these unions, there's not a heckuva a lot you can do in that dept.
But you CAN cut the fat. So if you want LVCSD to KEEP more of its teachers, then cut IB. Cut busing for kids who live within 2 miles of a school. CUT CUT CUT! Pay to Play sports. You can WHINE or you can be fiscally responsible.
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Lisa,
Sure cut the programs and pay for the "core curriculum" Easy when your children are grown. I can just imagine your reaction if your children had to pay for their BOCES program. Talk about a wast to the rest of the tax payers.
Yes, pay to play but the district paid $20k each for your children's special programs. Talk about self centered and selfish.
I am anxious to see how districts that value education like Jericho and Syosset will react. I wonder if they will cut cut cut. Actually, it will be interesting to see how LV will react.
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Actually, IB serves MOST of the children in the district. In Dr. McGuire's presentation it showed that over 70% of the high school seniors and juniors took at least one IB course, 50% took three or more and and almost 20% of last years class received the IB diploma.
Now since virtually all students become juniors and seniors that is an exceptionally large number of students that benefit from the program, especially when compared with other non mandated programs, like say Theather and BOCES
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Thomas,
IB is NOT core curriculum! However, if you actually bothered to research the Commie Core Standards, you will see that some international "standards" have been incorporated.
http://www.corestandards.org/assets/CCSSI_ELA%20Standards.pdf
Now, a school district can REJECT money from Race to the Top so it doesn't have to comply with some of those allegedly "unfunded mandates" being imposed on public schools, not by the State, but by the Feds.
Oh look! Here is Roslyn and your beloved SouthSide HS opting out:
http://www.fios1news.com/longisland/node/10753
For the record, I PAID to send my daughter to the BOCES Performing Arts summer program and I would have willingly PAID the tuition for her to attend 1/2 day. Did you know in many other states, parents are required to PAY TUITION if they want to send their kids to FULL DAY KINDERGARTEN, instead of 1/2 day?
There are MANY creative ways to increase revenue without increasing taxes or decreasing the teaching staff. Stop the whining.
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Anonymous,
Percentages can be played both ways. Here are last year's IB results:
http://truthaboutib.com/images/LVHS_IB_2011.pdf
I suppose it all depends on our respective definitions of what constitutes a "benefit".
109 of the 576 IB exams administered did not receive a passing score of '4' (or 19% failure rate)
Those 109 exams alone cost the taxpayers $26,269.
Only NINE (9) out of the 576 exams scored a '7' (the highest) or 1.5%
Students have NO CHOICE but to take an IB course because Honors and AP have been eliminated in 11th and 12th Grades!
ONE (1) STUDENT sat for the IB Further Mathematics exam and received a '2'. Now I am guessing that a class was not set up for this ONE STUDENT and that the exam which we paid for was taken independently, but really ......... WHY? Only 3 out of the 12 students who took HL IB Math earned a passing grade of '4' on the IB exam. That means 75% of the class DID NOT BENEFIT, at least in terms of earning applicable college credit.
By comparison, if you look at stats I pulled from 1995-96, 17 LVHS students took AP Calculus AB and 94% of them passed!!!!! 94%! http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/iblocustvalleyny.html
In 2011 - LVHS didn't even OFFER AP Calculus AB!!!!!!!!!!
So - you tell me. Which was a more RIGOROUS, BENEFICIAL and COST EFFECTIVE system for MORE students?
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Locust Valley was the first district in NYS to opt out race to the top, before the schools mentioned in the article. All it saves is a minimum amount of money and the processing expense would be more.
However, since NYS accepted "Race to the top" dollars ALL SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN NYS must adopt the "core curriculum, administer AARP, and adhere to federal student standards. All this will cost each school district millions of dollars, far exceeding the tax cap. Stop doing sloppy research and get the facts correct. All you try and do is mislead.
Please pray tell the great creative ways to raise substantial revenue - North Shore would appreciate your guidance.
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MisinformedParent,
Since I have no idea who you are, your OPINION won't be missed and you are not worthy of a reply, other than bye bye!
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Thomas,
Please provide proof that LVCSD opted out of Race to the Top since Newsday "missed" that.
NYS never should have signed on to the Common Core Standards. But let's be clear, they are only STANDARDS - NOT a curriculum.
What is AARP - the teacher evaluation component? LVCSD is already spending over $10,000 annually for computer software that as I recall, the Principals at the time didn't think was all that great.
I've listed many revenue raising options above. Go back and read them again.
Didn't North Shore opt-out of Regents exams many years ago?
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“When funds are siphoned from a public-education system that is already feeling the pressure of underfunding, every student will pay the price,” KTTA president Jason Karpuk said in a statement released this week.
“There is not enough money to fund existing programs, yet the [SD73] board has found over a quarter-million dollars, plus significant additional funds in years to come, for the IB program.”
http://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/news/138530329.html
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Newday missed a number of schools that opted out of "Race to the top" They have been asked to print a correction.
There is a big difference between $10K and the millions of dollars required to implement AARP, The Core Curriculum and other federal standards. We do agree NYS should never have accepted "Race to the top" money
The statistic is clear 70% of LV students took an IB course and 82% either or both an IB or AP course.
Actually an 81% passing rate with an open enrollment policy is Great. Do we say a sport's program is useless if the team wine 80% of its games. Indeed, we feel it valuable if a child participates even if the team is not that successful or the child is not an accomplished athlete. The same is true for children who participate in drama or any other activity who have marginal talent. They benefit from the experience.
The value of an AP or IB is first and foremost introducing student to standards required for college and university work. College credits are great but secondary.
The student you mentioned who received a 2 on the IB Further Mathematics program was just accepted to Stanford University,(recently rated the #6 University in the country) and as you know very few students nationwide, I think less than 100, take this extremely advances math course. Just taking this course helped in his consideration at Stanford.
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Nobody cares what programs you paid for your children. The rip off was the school district, with taxpayer money, paid $20k, for non mandated special programs for your children and provided transportation as well. Now, you have the nerve to advocate the elimination of most busing for children and pay to play and generally to quote you "cut, cut, cut." Talk about selfish and self centered.
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Thomas,
So you are saying that LVHS ran the IB Further Mathematics course for ONE student? Are you kidding me? Whatever happened to the MINIMUM class size policy of 8? Hmmmm?
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And one more thing. That "81% pass rate" on IB exams includes fully half of those exams at SL (Standard Level - college-prep) which are not recognized for college credit at MOST U.S. universities. Check out the "pass rate" for LVHS's AP exams (college-level) ..... 41%. That percentage was brough UP to 41% because of one brilliant student who independently scored '5's on AP exams without the courses being taught. Why don't you tell me why only 23% of the kids who took AP U.S. History earned a '3' or better?
I also asked you what AARP is. As far as I know, AARP stands for http://www.aarp.org/
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Anonymous,
CUT, CUT, CUT!
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Heather And Anon,
I will not lower myself to your level!
You both seem quite angry and feel the need to taje it out on me, fine go ahead! If that is what makes you feel bigger/ better great!
I really feel sorry for you both though! For such a thing!
I will Pray for you both!
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That 81% passing rate compares very favorably with schools that don't have open enrollment. So the students are doing great.
You should ask the administration why the AP passing rates are what they are, I can only speculate. One, perhaps since AP is an inferior program not many resources are put into it. Perhaps it is because children are taking these courses in 9th and 10th grade. Perhaps it is because the students see little value in these courses and don't apply themselves. Perhaps AP training for teachers is weak, since it has less value. Perhaps a combination of all or some of the above. At any rate LV is an IB school and hopefully they will expand the program and rid itself completely of AP.
You should also ask the administration how the IB Further Mathematics course was structured.
BYW, how do you know the score of an individual student? That is not, public information. Did you just make the score up?
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Thanks Penny, I appreciate your prayers. I will pray you take the time to write a coherent sentence. Who knows, perhaps you have something interesting to say.
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Haveyouwalkedthroughthehalls,
Don't let these Stepford wives with their brains full of mush upset you. They can't stand the fact that you have made some excellent observations about the overall environment at our HS, so they can only attack you personally. Prayers might help them, but I doubt it. You are indeed, the much bigger person.
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Lisa said,
"Bite me"
My goodness, the visual is overpowering. Biting Lisa, ugh, ugh, ugh. I spent the last hour throwing up.
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Heather,
Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls is NOT Penny! But Penny and I are having quite the giggle watching you try and figure out who she is. Just like you all went crazy when I wrote that op-ed under the pen name Roberta Grant. You just can't wait to insult, malign and attack anyone who DARES to disagree with the "status quo".
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And Heather, please use some mouthwash after your little bulimic episode. The stink of your breath is seeping into your posts and polluting this blog.
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Lisa doesn't think much of IB, what does MIT and Princeton think:
"The IB is a first rate program, one we are familiar with, and it prepares students well for a university like ours." Fred Hargadon, Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Princeton University
"Send us prepared students, like those from IB. It is the best high school prep curriculum an American school can offer." Marion Jones, former Director of Undergraduate Admissions, MIT
Now I wonder, who will a parent rely on for credible information; Lisa or the Directors of Admissions for Princeton and MIT?
Why is it that Lisa is in such odds on IB with these distinguished Universities?
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Anon,
Because Lisa doesn't put faith in imaginary quotes and rather, looks to the actual credit policies for such fine institutions of learning as MIT and Princeton:
MIT - HL only, score of '7'
http://web.mit.edu/firstyear/2015/subjects/intl.html#ib
Princeton - IB HL only, doesn't even provide an IB credit schedule, only AP
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/applyingforadmission/preparation/advanced_placement/
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These are not imaginary quotes but what the Directors of these fine institutions said about IB. Now why would these fine institutions find such nice things to say about IB.
What don't they describe them in the words you use. Why do they so respect them? Why are you so far removed from the thinking of the best educators?
What do you make of Marion Jones fro MIT SAYING "IB is the best... an American school can offer" How come she didn't say AP courses are the best?
What does Cornell say. All these schools like and respect IB, WHY?
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The LVCSD website just reported that Newsday made two errors in reporting about the district.
1- State aid was $70k NOT $150K
2- LV did not apply for "Race to the top"
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/
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Thomas, Open, Belief or whoever you are ....
If these are REAL quotes, then please link the source you are retrieving them from. Either you are technologically inept, or intellectually inept .... or both.
Or ... you can simply refer to the ACTUAL credit policies I posted which show a preference for AP over IB.
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Hmmm, still don't see that IB Alumni video on the website.
Nor do I see the Board Actions from December or January. What's up with that, LVCSD?
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/board_of_education/board_actions
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"Fine institution of IB"
LMFAO
LVCSD proud sponsors of Hamas for over five years
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I agree with Lisa, the IB program is not the best fit for LVCSD.
The costs outweigh the benefits.
The LVCSD did take part in the race for the top and is now regretting it.
Cutting IB from the budget is the first step in meeting our financial needs.
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LVCSD DID NOT sign up for Race to the top. LVCSD opted out of it when the State asked us to participate. While we opted out of receiving funds, we are still mandated to follow the Race to the Top rules.
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"These are not imaginary quotes but what the Directors of these fine institutions said about IB. Now why would these fine institutions find such nice things to say about IB."
Yes, why would fine institutions say nice things about IB?
Because they are getting a kick back that is why!
IB is one of the worst programs a school district could institute.
IB was originally for poor performing schools so they could provide a higher level of learning to the under served.
As parents you should really educate yourselves on the relationship of the UN, UNESCO, Agenda 21 and One World Order.
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Lisa,
Nope, takes more then people i don't know typing on a wall to upset me!!! LOL!! but thank you for your concern! Really!!
Although its really sad to see people get so angry over such things grammar!!! Really aren't their more IMPORTANT thing going on in life than that you can be fighting for/ over?
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@Haveuwalked
Nope there ain't notin betyer thn gettin on bout somons grammar.
Thees folks heer r gist the best in all sorts of thins like engish, nd matit weez folks jist plan on simple folks not like yer IB folks theys jist thee smartist folks theys lov payin money fur it like it is growin off of ther tree ther. yep no one chekin on thems administraiters makin sur they is spendin wisely nope jist spendin and spendin. Tehys dont car if jist one kid a class theys have the class anyway and that ther kid gits a 2 on the exem nope no one cares. Yep all thees IB classis runnin wit jit 1 or 3 kids in a class and the other classis wit 30 kids nope no one care. Weez jist simple folks cant figure it out yep they jist pulled a fst one on usm yes sir ye, shame shame shame. Weez jist git back to goinin to yer meetins and gittin the trut from the mommies yep theyz know weez jist litin to the mommies
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FYI,
ROTFLMAO!
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i figured that once i let huck finn and jim through on their raft last week it would only be a matter of time before they spoke up on this
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Senator Marcellino spoke last night and said he was proud that five of the best school districts in the country were in his district. He said LV's graduation rate, number of Advanced Regents Diploma, high number of gradates going on the college and especially the outstanding performance of special needs student were all reasons for community members to feel great pride in their school district.
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Bill,
That's so sweet. I'm glad Sen. Marcellino is proud. He'll get my vote because he is an (R) and anyone who aligns themselves with the (D's) should simply stop voting altogether.
However, if someone runs as an (L), that person would get my vote.
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/indialenon/100133173/the-international-baccalaureate-is-completely-overrated-it-doesnt-do-sixth-formers-justice/
Gosh, did you read that line about the number of IB schools in the UK that "fell" last year? Hmmm, I bet most people would call that a DECLINE.
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Yes, the depth of study in the U.K. educational system (as opposed to breath) is at the very heart of the A-study. In fact, without the scandals surrounding A-STUDY it is doubtful that IB would ever have penetrated the U.K. educational system as dramatically as it has. Still, unless someone shows evidence to the contrary, I believe the decline is rather light. I stand to be corrected.
What is true however, is the total disdain the English elite have for secondary education in the U.S., and the fact that we could ever consider AP courses preparation for university learning. To the english elite AP is a joke.
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@Bridge
Weez jist wanna thnk u fer lettin us pass the crik.
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To the American elite IB is a down rit lilly pickin thum sukin panzi butt class. I mean did ya evr think of havin to writ 4000 words on one paper and not evn passin grade lettin the tax payrs shell out thay kind of money fer 10% of the kids that go to that yer school. Hot doggin mad. yee ha its time to go git the fire and kick sum IB butt theys thinkin theys smarter then yer folk theys is jist dumber then dumb
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My name is ****** and I reside at ******** in Bedford, NH. I have three children in the Bedford public schools, aged 16,14, and 12. As you may know, Bedford High School is an IB School and heavily promotes IB. There are only 6 AP classes offered, all of them non-technical. My wife and I have very serious concerns about the IB program, and I am taking time to write this note to you to implore you to support HB 1403. I try to keep up with what's happening in the state, but like most people it is difficult to find time between job, kids, etc to voice my opinion. But I am making time for this.
I believe IB is detrimental to kids and should not be used in any school system. Throughout a K-12 education parents will have varying levels of support for different programs in their schools, but IB is far beyond that. It is limiting to NH kids' futures, increases taxes, and is fundamentally against how we want to raise and educate our kids and I find it offensive that I am forced to support IB with my tax dollars.
Here is what I have learned about IB through first-hand experience, and why I am opposed to IB and hence why I ask for your support of HB 1403:
IB tends to be a mile wide and an inch deep. e.g. my son is currently a Junior at BHS and has taken advanced math classes throughout his school years and has a 4.24 GPA. The "IB Calculus/Math Studies" he will take as a Senior is "40% Calculus, 60% other math topics". So he will be most likely unprepared to take a College Calculus exam to place out of college calculus! That is his reward for pushing himself in advanced math classes for years and getting A's!
Furthermore, the method of education is more based on "discovery" as opposed to a qualified teacher providing instruction. I have a math degree myself and I can see what this has done to my son's math comprehension. He frequently does not really know the math principle in question. He knows how to follow patterns and anticipate what's on a test so he can get an A. He's said repeatedly "the teacher didn't teach us that, I just know that's what you're supposed to do and the answer is right so that's what matters." The system is failing if one of the top students at BHS says that.
It is an unnecessary cost on the school budget. AP classes can be provided for no additional cost and provide better education and are much more widely accepted and acknowledged by top universities.
This may sound controversial or inflammatory, but the IB program emanates from the IBO, a UN-backed organization, and is fundamentally anti-US. I believe the US is a great country which became great by the values and ideals set forth in the Declaration and the Constitution. The UN and IBO do not believe that. In fact, it is evident to me by the research I've done at www.ibo.org and elsewhere, that the IB program tries to level the field by tearing down the US and planting anti-US thoughts in the IB students. I didn't want to believe that, but I
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[cont.]
... could come to no other conclusion as I researched IB
I believe there is absolute right and wrong, and IB is wrong. IB believes right and wrong is just a perspective. I believe parents should have a say in not just how their kids are educated, but what values are instilled in them. Right now, we have no choice. IB instills values that are 180 degrees from the values we want for our kids. If I had the money, I would pull all three kids out and put them in private schools, but alas I do not.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LeGYAfh9A1k
LVCSD and those that support the IB program support Hamas
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It appear Lisa, always more than a little neurotic, now borders on totally psychotic. Principles of logic, dating back to pre ancient Greece, start with the fundamental fallacy of reasoning from a particular event to a universal conclusion. This truth is self evident and most people intuitively know it whether they have even taken a philosophy course. However, LIsa's post ignore this elementary building block which is necessary to obtain truth and knowledge. If one were to use her logic we could conclude " My friend hates school because he finds it useless, therefor school must be useless. Really? What if my
friend loves school because he finds it useful.
For this reason, particular examples are helpful only when first accompanied by acceptable, proven facts.
Lisa, you may want to read the rules of syllogisms. The most elementary and, in many ways, easiest to understand were written centuries ago by St. Augustine and Aristotle. Any
decent library would have them. Not a simple read but not difficult, you just need to be open to
truth. Oops, sorry to take you out of your comfort zone.
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Oh joy. An IB student attempting to apply TOK on the Bayville Blog. I will not stoop to attempting to diagnose this student's socio-cognitive dysfunction as a result of suffering this age-inappropriate course, however, I will point out that he/she is simply wrong:
"Principles of logic, dating back to pre ancient Greece, start with the fundamental fallacy of reasoning from a particular event to a universal conclusion."
I believe you meant to refer to a "logical fallacy" and I can just as easily claim LVCSD's support for IB is exactly that.
Investing more money in a school and buying an international "programme" produces life-long learners who are better critical thinkers"
Where is the Truth? Where are the "acceptable proven facts"?
You haven't taken me outside of my "comfort zone" in the least and I don't appreciate your condescension and arrogance. But I forgive you because those are the personal "values" IB instills.
“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”
― Socrates
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This sounds so much like the conflict and screwy arguments going on in our town of Stow regarding IB. The citizens have become so upset about the lying and underhandedness and screwy thinking without looking the realities of IB in the face. Lisa has done a great job and opening up and helping us realize the truth about IB.
Thank you Lisa for speaking the truth and standing your ground. IB is a device of discension, anti-American, and gross values.
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" My friend hates school because he finds it useless, therefor school must be useless. Really? What if my friend loves school because he finds it useful."
Well golly you dont think u need to take a class on "TOK" cause this aint have notin to do wit TOK. TOK is man made up logic. It is jist somin theys made up to make you think you are thinkin dag. Even Jack know dat.
You think about this, "When i think back at all the crap I learned in high school, its a wonder i can think at all"
Now dats the truth if you take IB
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OUR AMERICAN SCHOOLS ARE BEING TAKEN OVER BY THE UN/UNESCO AND SO IS OUR COUNTRY
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE SELL OUT
http://dalesdesigns.net/LOST.htm
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http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-united-nations-wants-to-crash-the-world-economy-in-order-to-save-the-environment
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1) Compared to AP, IB will increase college costs for most students.
2) The IB diploma required TOK class is composed entirely of questions like, "When can it be right to disobey the law? Can suicide bombers be right?"
3) IB will not improve student performance.
4) IB's pedagogical method is one of constructivism and inquiry based learning to promote a specific ideology.
5) IB is extremely expensive.
6) Why schools drop IB.
7) Some people have religious concerns with IB.
8) IB is an NGO of UNESCO (UN) and the goal is to promote the UN ideology.
9) At the elementary level IB is forced on all children in the school and the stated goal is to "develop attitudes," and to get students to "take action."
10) With IB, schools give up some local control to a Swiss organization.
11) AP is the best fit for gifted students.
12) When IB/AP classes are combined the IB material must take priority.
13) For the IB diploma students must complete 10 required classes in 11th and 12th grade.
14) IB is implemented in a deceitful way over and over throughout the United States. Once someone questions IB an open and honest discussion is never allowed, and the community becomes divided.
To find proof supporting all the points above read the entire article.
http://myinclinevillage.com/2011/07/31/what-all-parents--students-should-know-before-enrolling-in-ib.aspx
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Our district began the implementation of IB over two years ago. When IB was brought to the attention of our city, we became completely divided. IB is very costly and controversial and is usually implemented without the knowledge of the tax payers funding the cost. Our BoE never voted to implement or apply for Application A. Our BoE and Administration never conducted a feasibility study and have not released an IB budget. The CFO claims the "soft costs" are not recorded therefore she cannot share the costs with the public. This has been a very volatile debate, parents opposing IB have been bullied, intimidated, threatened and have even had property damaged. IB supporters are few; administration, teachers and a handful of parents. Our district is "limping along" and cannot afford this costly Programme and our community can not afford to stay divided! Many are enrolling in private schools and some are moving from the district completely. The PYP is unnecessary and is not a good fit for SMF! Let's learn from other areas and not let history repeat itself!
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The LVCSD continues to keep their heads in the sand about this program.
They are not informing the tax payers of the costs and they continue to discredit Lisa due to her objection of the program.
The parents just continue to enroll their children into the classes because it is FREE college for their children. A few parents stated that if it saves them a year college tuition they didn't care. FREE
What every parent needs to look at is the programs mission as stated in the above posts.
The mind set of the parents in this district is that they are entitled to FREE college
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http://educationviews.org/2011/10/17/why-parents-should-reject-ib
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My nephew in another state who is really really smart and motivated hated IB, so that worries me.
Can someone tell me how many hourse of homework a night an IB student typically gets?
I've heard of two stories recently where IB students dropped out of their athletic pursuits because there wasn't enough time to do both sports and IB.
Is that true - their isn't enough time to do both?
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Hi a father,
Here is an IB student forum which addresses your homework question:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=334847
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@ a Father
Easy....You must apply the TOK
"My nephew in another state who is really really smart and motivated hated IB, so that worries me."
TOK...
" My friend hates school because he finds it useless, therefor school must be useless. Really? What if my
friend loves school because he finds it useful."
"For this reason, particular examples are helpful only when first accompanied by acceptable, proven facts."
So another really really smart child must love IB somewhere which cancels your really really smart and motivated nephew. Which brings us to conculed that your nephew must be lazy and unmotivated because he wants to play sports.
OR
He wants to play sports because he finds playing sports useful and another kids find playing sports not useful so this leads us to conclude that "For this reason, particular examples are helpful only when first accompanied by acceptable, proven facts."
IB is not useful, it breaks down your selfesteem and your nephew should do what he likes and what will motivate him more and build his self esteem. Sports builds self esteem and motivation and IB does not.
IB kills brain cells, is the number one reason for child obesity and heart disease.
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By Dennis Prager.
"To the students and faculty of our high school:
I am your new principal, and honored to be so. There is no greater calling than to teach young people.
I would like to apprise you of some important changes coming to our school. I am making these changes because I am convinced that most of the ideas that have dominated public education in America have worked against you, against your teachers and against our country.
First, this school will no longer honor race or ethnicity. I could not care less if your racial makeup is black, brown, red, yellow or white. I could not care less if your origins are African, Latin American, Asian or European, or if your ancestors arrived here on the Mayflower or on slave ships. The only identity I care about, the only one this school will recognize, is your individual identity -- your character, your scholarship, your humanity. And the only national identity this school will care about is American.
This is an American public school, and American public schools were created to make better Americans. If you wish to affirm an ethnic, racial or religious identity through school, you will have to go elsewhere. We will end all ethnicity, race and non-American nationality-based celebrations. They undermine the motto of America , one of its three central values -- e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." And this school will be guided by America 's values. This includes all after-school clubs. I will not authorize clubs that divide students based on any identities. This includes race, language, religion, sexual orientation or whatever else may become in vogue in a society divided by political correctness.
Your clubs will be based on interests and passions, not blood, ethnic, racial or other physically defined ties. Those clubs just cultivate narcissism -- an unhealthy preoccupation with the self -- while the purpose of education is to get you to think beyond yourself. So we will have clubs that transport you to the wonders and glories of art, music, astronomy, languages you do not already speak, carpentry and more. If the only extracurricular activities you can imagine being interested in are those based on ethnic, racial or sexual identity, that means that little outside of yourself really interests you.
Second, I am uninterested in whether English is your native language. My only interest in terms of language is that you leave this school speaking and writing English as fluently as possible. The English language has united America's citizens for over 200 years, and it will unite us at this school. It is one of the indispensable reasons this country of immigrants has always come to be one country. And if you leave this school without excellent English language skills, I would be remiss in my duty to ensure that you will be prepared to successfully compete in the American job market. We will learn other languages here -- it is deplorable that most Americans only speak English -- but if you want cla
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but if you want classes taught in your native language rather than in English, this is not your school. Third, because I regard learning as a sacred endeavor, everything in this school will reflect learning's elevated status. This means, among other things, that you and your teachers will dress accordingly. Many people in our society dress more formally for Hollywood events than for church or school. These people have their priorities backward. Therefore, there will be a formal dress code at this school. Fourth, no obscene language will be tolerated anywhere on this school's property -- whether in class, in the hallways or at athletic events. If you can't speak without using the f-word, you can't speak. By obscene language I mean the words banned by the Federal Communications Commission, plus epithets such as "Nigger," even when used by one black student to address another black, or "bitch," even when addressed by a girl to a girlfriend. It is my intent that by the time you leave this school, you will be among the few your age to instinctively distinguish between the elevated and the degraded, the holy and the obscene. Fifth, we will end all self-esteem programs. In this school, self-esteem will be attained in only one way -- the way people attained it until decided otherwise a generation ago -- by earning it. One immediate consequence is that there will be one valedictorian, not eight. Sixth, and last, I am reorienting the school toward academics and away from politics and propaganda. No more time will be devoted to scaring you about smoking and caffeine, or terrifying you about sexual harassment or global warming. No more semesters will be devoted to condom wearing and teaching you to regard sexual relations as only or primarily a health issue. There will be no more attempts to convince you that you are a victim because you are not white, or not male, or not heterosexual or not Christian. We will have failed if any one of you graduates this school and does not consider him or herself inordinately lucky -- to be alive and to be an American. Now, please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of our country. As many of you do not know the words, your teachers will hand them out to you."
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I don't know who posted the above by Dennis Prager, but much as I like it, Dennis Prager is a radio talk show host, not a Principal.
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Here is the latest, LVCSD is now bribing students with Homework passes if their parents will attend the next budget meeting. Great message to teach the kids!
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@Lisa
I think someone sent it to Dennis and he read it on his show
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LVCSD BRIBES THE YOUNGSTERS WITH HOMEWORK PASSES ALL THE TIME
IF YOU TAKE AN IB CLASS THEY GIVE YOU A HOMEWORK PASS
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Here is the latest, LVCSD HAS BEEN bribing THE PARENTS with DRIVERS' ED to get them to vote for the budget. Great message to teach the kids! We are the only district that offers DRIVERS' ED for FREE.
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The parents in this district are clearly sending the message that they want anything they can get and they want it for FREE.
That is the main reason IB continues to be part of the curriculum in this district FREE college credits
Last year they bribed the parents to support the budget with drivers ed and they were bought
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Here is my prediction for budget 2012. Jack Dolce has been telling wives to get their husbands to come to budget meetings. Secretly, he is setting up the stage for tax cap override. The public will be outraged when they see the high budget and that makes voting out Segulia and Bruno very easy. Lisa will seize the moment and her dream of being on BOE will finally come true.
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Yes, Jack is known for meeting with the ladies daily for breakfast at the luncheonette then running off to the Butterfly Garden or to The Greenhouse for his daily deep cleansing massage and facial, plotting his master plan to over turn the whole LVCSD BOE in hopes that one day he and Lisa will sit side by side at monthly BOE meetings finally being able to share a rigorous dialogue on IB. After his daily routine he ends the evening with his chums at Buckram Stables discussing his plans to override the tax cap over a dry martini with two olives. Ha Ha Ha Ha HA he mumbles under his breath Hunderfund will never see this coming!!!!
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Anonymous,
No interest. Just want to sell my house and get the heck away from these oppressive taxes.
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Fact 1: Jack got his son's godfather as the school lawyer, who happens to be his long time buddy and personal lawyer.
Fact 2: This school lawyer already raked in hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal fees paid by LVSCD.
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Those questions you ask are not in the IB curriculum. IB does not encourage reading current events but only reading from the text books they print.....brain washing
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Hey, Anonymous wrote: .....brain washing
Can you enlighten me how TOK is used to brain wash kids?
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Ron,
Well, when Sarah Palin was the VP nominee, it sure made a HUGE deal to all the Dems who felt that she was unqualified to be the person "a heartbeat away from the Presidency". Now that Joe Biden is "a heartbeat away from the Presidency", all of the Lib hypocrites don't care that Mr. Gaffe a Second holds that role. KNOWING that sort of CORE KNOWLEDGE, should be a given.
You think LV IB students "know" the "ins and outs" of Obamacare? Really? None of our Congresscritters read the 2700 page bill, you expect HS students to figure out everything UNCONSTITUTIONAL about that bill that is going before the Supreme Court? Really?
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Anonymous,
Please review this page for a "sampling" of TOK "questions" posed to students. TOK forces students to PUBLICLY examine the religious beliefs they were raised with. This truly is a violation of separation of church and state. Where does a PUBLIC school get off intruding on a child's personal beliefs?
http://truthaboutib.com/theibhiddencurriculum/ibtokcurriculum.html
The same Liber loons who support IB and TOK would scream bloody murder if we asked for a unit on Intelligent Design to be included with Biology!
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TOK is based on "views" there is no right or wrong but "intellectual" discussion based on what?
"Intellectual" discussion is based on what the teacher teaches not always based on facts.
A teacher uses a text book written by a communist the "intellectual" discussion is based on communism but the discussion is never right or wrong.
A FORM OF BRAIN WASHING
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Actually, I didn't know the TOK textbook was written by a communist. That changes the discussion, could you please list the author's name, I haven't been able to find it and I would like to research him/her /them.
Thank you
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Anon,
Not to disrespect Anonymous, but there ARE NO prescribed textbooks for IB, TOK or any other IB course. Unfortunately, in LVHS when IB was first thrust upon us, I guess the SS Dept picked Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States" for the primary textbook for IB History of the Americas. Howard Zinn is a well known international sociali-t.
This is an overview of TOK as defined by IB:
http://truthaboutib.com/images/IBTOK_materials_1.pdf
Btw, AP is not exempt from using extreme left-wing, pro-Islam textbooks. Check out the textbook "World Civilizations" used for AP World History .... holy cow!
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A text book could be written by anyone
A class and the teacher has an "intellectual" discussion on a chapter in the text book
The "intellectual" discussion is not right or wrong
The teacher persuades the class with his or her beliefs
Also known as brain washing. Hitler used this form of brain washing.
Not to disrespect Lisa, but the whole education system has been moving towards extreme left winged, pro islam text books for many years.
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http://www.newfoundations.com/GALLERY/Hitler.html
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Lisa,
Why do you worry about Joe Biden is only a heart beat away? If he goes, John Boehner will be the President. Are you worried about him? Is he too liberal for you?
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"The teacher persuades the class with his or her beliefs
Also known as brain washing. Hitler used this form of brain washing"
This comment is beyond simpleminded and dull witted. It is halfwitted, inane and insipid, and leads to the conclusion that there should be no teachers. Or should we try and find teachers who have no beliefs, as if that is even possible.
Do Professors Thomas Sowell, John Lott and Robert P. George brain wash students?
Did Professor Milton Friedman, the Nobel economics and foremost advocate of the free market brain wash his students at the University of Chicago? Did Professor Paul Samuelson elevating the study of economics through mathematical equations and derivatives, which argued against many of Professors Friedman's conclusions brain wash his students?
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i didn't realize my first grade teacher was brain washing me with her beliefs when she taught me the alphabet and addition. Shame on you, Mrs. Lammers.
Thanks for helping me realize the role of a teacher. I will immediately pull my children from school on Monday.
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"This comment is beyond simpleminded and dull witted. It is halfwitted, inane and insipid, and leads to the conclusion that there should be no teachers. Or should we try and find teachers who have no beliefs, as if that is even possible."
This comment is more of a simple minded man.
Since you did not take TOK you do not understand "theory"
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Yes, Einstein tried to brain wash us with his "theory of relativity".
Teachers and professors are always presenting theories, that is how we learn.
You are doltish and thick. Read your post, you actually said to understand theory one needs to take TOK.
Likely, many of the world's greatest minds never took a course in Epistemology and postulated some of the world's greatest theories, which eventually became laws.
There is no record Newton postulated his theories, later laws, of motion after taking a course in justification versus speculation.
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Good, you are answering a little of your own question!
TOK/Epistemology is the use of speculation not knowledge.
"Yes, Einstein tried to brain wash us with his "theory of relativity"." This statement just proves that you do not understand theory.
If you continue to teach by speculating you don't learn but brainwash
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Idiots calling each other idiots! How refreshing .... LOL!
Are you people incapable of reading the definition of TOK which I linked above? Seriously?
Pathetic. It's a course about "how you know what you know". In other words, it's complete and total BS.
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Truth,
Are you incapable of objectively analyzing a course without making it personal to individuals? What is your major malfunction?
The COURSE TOK is Marxi-t in origin. The whole idea is to undermine religion and make students question their familial beliefs and what they really "know". It is DESIGNED to promote relativism and create confusion in the mind of the student. This may be a "fun" course to take in junior or senior year of university but is age-inappropriate for HS students. When delivered to teenagers, it IS brainWASHING. Frankly, sitting around contemplating their navels for a period would be more worthwhile. Take a look at the grades LVHS students scored on their TOK essays! Horrible! And LVCSD even hired a TOK Consultant to try and improve their "elite" Marxi-t course.
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/habermas/1968/theory-knowledge.htm
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Lisa: 90% correct
Truth: recommend going to school
TOK: 100% brainwashing methodology similar to Hitler's theory
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Anon,
I'm not going to disagree with you that Hitler used similar indoctrination techniques. But here's the problem with pointing that out to Progressives who think courses like TOK create "critical thinkers". Once you bring Hitler into the argument, the left-wing loons point out how it was Hitler's "extreme nationalism" that was "bad" ..... and so, over the years, the Libs have sought to apply that same label to those of us who believe in U.S. sovereignty and patriotism as Nazis. They have also created a specious "debate" tool called Godwin's Law which basically declares anyone who cites Hitler in an argument, automatically loses. Therefore, I find it a lot easier and less stressful to focus on Karl Marx whom Progressives seem to idolize.
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Actually, philosophy and Epistemology, in particular, guards against brainwashing. It teaches us to question what we know and how we know. It is the opposite of blind acceptance (brain washing)
People like Lisa fear an inquiring mind. They want dogma -- their dogma. Some of the greatest teachers and writers of Epistemology found that the curiosity born of questioning lead to a natural extension of knowledge-- faith
It is interesting to note that the education and /or writing of many religious leaders from St. Thomas and St. Augustine to Pope John Paul is steeped in philosophy. They not were brain washed in secular extremism but open to the limits of reason and, for them, the beauty of faith In fact, contrary to reinforcing Marxism,one is left to conclude Pope John's deep exploration of philosophy was instrumental in his substantial contribution to the defeat of communism.
There is beauty in the search for truth, even if it sometimes uncomfortable.
High school students capable of understanding IB Physics or AP Calculus are more than capably of grasping rudimentary philosophy.
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"Actually, philosophy and Epistemology, in particular, guards against brainwashing."
INCORRECT
It opens an avenue to brainwashing.
There is nothing wrong with critical thinking or dialogue except when you do not have any facts to exchange you then listen to the one leading the exchange, brainwashing.
"There is beauty in the search for truth, even if it sometimes uncomfortable."
CORRECT, EXCEPT when you do not have any facts to base that search on then you are again the listener being brainwashed.
"High school students capable of understanding IB Physics or AP Calculus are more than capably of grasping rudimentary philosophy."
INCORRECT
College students can't handle rudimentary philosophy, hence OWS and Obama
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“The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion.”
Who said this?
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If TOK/IB is not a method for brainwashing then why don't the youngsters report on current events in school?
Can't you find truth to current events?
Or does the LVCSD/IB program only want the students to read from IB accepted text books so the youngsters don't have the opportunity to have a dialogue on current events???
My child has challenged his/her teachers and they have difficulty seeking the "truth", why???
When he/she challenged his history teacher during a discussion on communism he/she stepped out of the box and compared the government bailouts a form of communism. He/she was told the discussion will end!!!! Don't we want our children to critically think???? But only on certain terms????
"There is beauty in the search for truth, even if it sometimes uncomfortable."
Guess that teacher was uncomfortable!!!!
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Anonymous wrote:
"People like Lisa fear an inquiring mind. They want dogma -- their dogma"
Coming from a Progressive/Marxi-t who supports IB, your assertion is LAUGHABLE! IB claims to be a "programme of inquiry" but God forbid anyone "inquires" about details and the cost of IB! Do you not recall my very first forum thread in The Leader, Anonymous? It was called "Unanswered Questions About IB". So really, spare me your condescending crap.
It is NOT the place of PUBLIC schools to bring a child's "faith" under examination and "exploration".
Your claim that TOK results in revealing "Truth" is as far from the truth as possible.
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I would define my politics as right of center. I am a fiscal conservative, a free market advocate, who abhors big government. I am an extremely strong proponent of individual responsibility. I believe in America's greatness and rue the day President Obama was elected.
I believe Obamacare is unconstitutional and that Obama's foreign policies have weakened the strength and power of our great country.
I have never advocated for IB and frankly, don't really know that much about it.
I do support a course on Epistemology in a high school curriculum. Since the course happens to be in the IB program you assume I support the entire IB Program. Why??? And from there you assume you know my entire political ideology. Talk about an emotional, illogical conclusion.
You are so totally consumed with anything to do with IB that you cannot control yourself and allow yourself to think straight.
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Anonymous, Anon, Truth, whoever the heck you are,
I have no idea which Anonymous is spewing which crap. There are about 30 different Anonymouses on here.
If you want to have a reasonable discussion, at least pick a handle that I can consistently identify with your "thoughts" .
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Anonymous wrote:
“The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion.”
Who said this?
i never actually said that. i only used to think it once in awhile listening to one of father peter's sermons.
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Anonymous
Why do school districts need to spend excessive amounts of money on a program ie: IB when a department of education can offer courses in theory, college level, at a minimal cost to the tax payer ???
IB=big government
"You are so totally consumed with anything to do with IB that you cannot control yourself and allow yourself to think straight."
The only ones not thinking straight are those that feel spending mega amounts on a program so a few children can get the IB diploma or HL credits, just to learn how to think, at the cost of the tax payer, that is not thinking straight. Common American educators can't challenge students to think for little costs!!!!
My theory, parents want free college credits at the cost to the tax payer.
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Bridge
That is a statement from a Marxist
The basis of IB
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Oy - more Anonymouses except the last two I agree with! Please people - I appreciate the input, but can't you pick a handle and stick with it? I don't care if it's 123LV or MoMof4 or Imadoodiehead or whatever!
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Bridge Mechanic,
LOL! You are a clever man.
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LOL
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FIRST!!!
How about partnering with colleges to offer college credit classes in high school as an elective for college credit.
The child that wishes to take college level classes can participate in HS have to maintain a B, non weighted, or more average etc. The teacher must have a Phd as would a professor in college.
Cut out the middleman, AP and IB
The costs can be minimal
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TOK PROCESS
REMEMBER THIS????
http://www.citizens4freedom.com/Articles/tabid/1387/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/6808/Hes-Our-Man-Yes-We-Can-Pro-Obama-Song-Taught-to-Kindergarteners-at-TX-School.aspx
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Dear Imadoodiehead,
So pleased you chose that handle!
Great suggestion. Dual enrollment is very popular in other states. With C.W. Post, NYIT and SUNY Old Westbury right down the road, you would think SOMETHING could be worked out!
There really are no costs to AP other than the final exam, a budget item which I strongly believe should be stricken from the General Fund and reversed to the way it was for decades where the parents pay the exam fee. The College Board will reduce the $87 fee if financial need is demonstrated.
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Lisa,
I was having dinner with a friend the other night, her son takes an IB class! Now i was taken back when she said she had to pay 250? Dont qoute that number!
I " thought" that was paid for out of "OUR" taxes??? No?
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Haveyouwalkedthruthrhalls,
Well, either LVHS is double dipping or they reversed the policy. Let me check:
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/our_schools/ib_fees
So ..... I recommend you share that link with your friend and ask her exactly what the $250 was for.
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@jones
six of one half dozen of the other
LVCSD still receives federal funding for IB due to the low performing status!!!!!
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@Walking halls
was your friend a PTA mommy???
cause me thinks she was playing you so you spread the word that parents have to pay IB fees!!!!
those mommies have been brainwashed!!!!
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tax payers pay fees
school district gets reimbursed
federally funded
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/ciai/gt/ap
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http://www.p12.nysed.gov/nclb/programs/titleia/sig1003g/1112/docs/SIGGuidance411final.pdf
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http://www.p12.nysed.gov/funding/2012-15perfimp/rfp.pdf
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Lisa,
Just got off the phone with my friend! "Non pta mommy"
Here is the scoop, it is the 4 yr science IB course at the end you need to pay for the college credits???
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Funny the school says they pay for IB
NOT the taxpayers
IB Fees
The school district pays for both the registration and exam fees for students enrolled in IB courses.
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"Projects must operate under the jurisdiction of the local board of education or board of trustees. The
local board of education or board of trustees is responsible for the proper disbursement of, and
accounting for, project funds"
Well, there you have it. The LVCSD BoE must be answerable to the public's questions regarding grant reimbursement for IB/AP exam fees.
Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
There is no such thing as a 4 yr. IB course.
Perhaps your non-PTA mommy is confused. Perhaps the $250 is a fee for the independent science research team to help cover mentoring/application costs with Intel?
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I have it from an inside source the money is funneled to the Boe and used to pay the presidents' attorney. I think their is a lot of under the table stuff going on. That's why our taxes are so high.
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Anonymous
Nope the LVCSD is just scamming the district with IB
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IB a glorified program to make you believe that your child is smart. The word out in the schools is that anyone taking IB is not smart and that their parents are pushing them into taking the classes. When you graduate from HS and college your IB credits and diploma are meaningless. No one cares if you took IB and mostly no knows what IB is. IB is NOT going to land you that million dollar job. It is up to the child in which way he/she will go. Garbage men get 6 figures and I bet not one garbage man has an IB credit or diploma. IB is a waste of money and not worth the stress you put onto your kid.
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you should change your name to BEYOND CLUELESS
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The taxpayers want to vote to keep or not to keep the IB program.
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Your wrong, the money is under the counter and used tio pay off Dolce's friend. I have it from somebody who knows what is going on.
That why taxes are so high.big time scandal.
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please keep this hush hush but the IB Program is a secret communist brainwashing technique. (China)
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Alice in Wonderland, written by kindergarden students as they learn the alphabet.
i mean really......
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yes carol williams it is, little do you know you just sold your soul to the devil!!!!
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THE LVCSD COMMUNITY WANTS A VOTE ON IB THIS MAY. STOP WASTING OUR TAX DOLLARS ON A PROGRAM FOR UNFORTUNATE CHILDREN WHOSE PARENTS JUST WANT A FREE RIDE FROM THE TAX PAYERS. IF YOU WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO TAKE IB THEN PAY FOR IT DO NOT BURDEN THE TAX PAYERS WITH YOUR ENTITLEMENT YOU HAVE BECOME A BUNCH OF WHITE TRASH PARENTS!!!!
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LV spends less money on IB than on BSK, the lawyer buddy of Jack and GF of his son. BSK did the union negotiation and paid to deal with Benstock, and more is coming. Just wait! It will soon be over the million dollar mark.
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Daywatcher,
What is BSK?? and what do you mean by "paid to deal with benstock"" ???? That just might piss me off!
And it takes an awful lot for that to happen!
Thank you Lisa i passed on your info to my friend!
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
BSK is the name of the law firm and the lawyer from that firm that gets paid by LV is related to Jack Dolce (his son's Godfather). In addition to paying John Benstock still, LV is also paying this guy legal fees to handle the case.
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Day Watcher
You are probably right about that.
However, IB costs are over the top and why should the tax payers pay for a kid to take so called rigorous classes so the parent can save a few bucks sending them to college.
IB is NOT a state mandated program, it only serves a small portion of students and it should be cut from the budget.
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Anonymous, Lisa, ?
How can we get IB on the Ballot?
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http://channelingreality.com/Niwa/IB_unraveled_040610.htm
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
You ask what seems a reasonable and fair question: How can we get IB on the ballot?
The answer is - you can't. That was the thrust of my Commissioner's Appeal. The decision determined that when it comes to curriculum, the Board of Ed is autonomous:
http://www.counsel.nysed.gov/Decisions/volume44/d15191.htm
This is why the last election was so important. Unfortunately, withe Hunderfund as Supt. and Jack Dolce a BoE President, you will not see a "recommendation" from the Supt. to the Board to "phase out" IB ...... UNLESS .... you all put the pressure on Hunderfund. If it came to a vote, I'd be willing to bet Bruno and the 3 newcomers would vote IB out. 4-3 would win the day. In order to get Hunderfund to make that recommendation, you must convince her that you WILL NOT PASS ANY TAX INCREASE OVER THE 2%!
You have the power. You have the time. And you know you have my support, should you choose to accept your mission.
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Anonymous,
You are right on. The more law suits the more lawyers make money. Nothing wrong with lawyers making money as long as it is not my dime.
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Anonymous,
You are right on. The more law suits the more lawyers make money. Nothing wrong with lawyers making money as long as it is not my dime.
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It is a small world. See the link below.
http://www.northshoreoflongisland.com/Articles-i-2008-06-19-72686.113114_Harborfields_to_appeal_Supreme_Court_order.html
This lawyer friend of Jack Dolce was the one that represented Janet Ceperano Wilson to sue Harborfield and Michael Conte, the Harborfield spokesperson, is now our PR guy that gets paid over half a million dollars since Dolce became the BOE president.
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Hunderfund has said that for the past 20 years before she came to LV, she has been a strong AP person.
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So what made her change to IB?
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You are not even close. I attend Board meetings and it is clear the three new BOard members are now strong IB advocates. Erika, as well, when Dr. McG makes IB presentations they are very, very impressive. I spoke with Maria, one of the three new Board members., and she is a big supportet.
Didn't your lackey George tell you this? You should call him and find out. What happened did he sell you out? IB has never been more firmly entrenched, regardless of what you, Penny and one or two other think.
George sold you out, George sold you out. Poor girl!!!
And the parents love it. I know I'm one. Read it and weep.
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I've heard those IB presentations at the BOE meetings are nothing but propaganda.
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You are right, Penny uses so many different names now, I am now not always sure who she is.
I am willing to now accept that others on this blog write as poorly as she, hard as that is to believe.
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"I am willing to now accept that others on this blog write as poorly as she, hard as that is to believe."
LOL, you should get help with your writing skills as well!!! LACK OF!!!
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http://channelingreality.com/Niwa/IB_unraveled_040610.htm
Glad to hear that you are one of them!!!!
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Anonymous,
So is Lvsd paying benstocks legal fees? Aside from his pay? ( choke) (gag)
Cannot believe i even need to type that!!!
And BSK are NOT his attorneys?
WHEN WILL THAT WHOLE F&&$&@ mess end!!!
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HAHAHAHAHA
To all of my indoctrinated IB supporters.
Soon we will be able to take over this community.
On Friday nights we will meet in the Bayville graveyard to worship the IB god.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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Yes, There can only b one poor writer so please refer refer to your ALA handbooks prior to posting on this blog.
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LV pays Benstock salary because it is required to, LV pays the president's lawyer buddy because LV said it needs him to handle the Benstock case, LV pays Michael Conte, because LV says it needs a PR firm to handle it, and the best is tha my friend on the Boe told me Jack Dolce said he has to be the Boe president because only he knows how to handle the Benstock situation.
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Jack Dolce is a very successful business man and one of the best BOE presidents we have ever had. In his professional life he made made many friends and some of them are very capable professionals. If Jack can provide us an excellent attorney through his experiences, then it benefits us greatly. Believe me , Jack isn't in this for personal gain. He cares.
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Jack Dolce is a very successful business man and one of the best BOE presidents we have ever had. In his professional life he made made many friends and some of them are very capable professionals. If Jack can provide us an excellent attorney through his experiences, then it benefits us greatly. Believe me , Jack isn't in this for personal gain. He cares.
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I hear that the district came to an agreement with the secretaries union recently. Anybody else hear about it?
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Yes, I heard that last week too, but have not been able to find out any details.
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http://www.fuckfrance.com/images/i267/221907.976ts_brown_nose_orig.jpg
^^^^^ Buzzy ^^^^^
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Buzzy,
How do you know so much about Jack Dolce? He was sued for stealing ideas to form his own business more than one time. There is always a pattern. His lawyer friend used to represent a few school districts but now most of the others got rid of him.
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Who cares about Jack Dolce? You dolts re-elected him, you deserve him!
Now I wonder, has anything ever been done over the past decade to make sure Bayville and Locust Valley K-5 are receiving the SAME curriculum?
I would like to recommend a very low cost curriculum that is American born, apolitical and which "meets or exceeds the Common Core Standards"?
http://www.coreknowledge.org/
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What is going on here is ethics violation. The relationship was never fully disclosed before the guy was hired. On the other hand, who cared about an out of State curriculum? It is not aligned with New York State.
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He's a BOE hero...stars in his eyes
BOE hero....stars in his eyes
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In a town without a name, in a heavy downpour
Thought he passed his own shadow, by the school door
Like a trip through the past, to that day in the rain
And that love for himself, made his whole life change
Now he needs to keep on pushing, he just can't stop
Gotta keep on pushing, that BOE man has got to stay on top
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Suzi was in line for BOE President since 2008 but the BOE man said "I have to do it, you will be the President next year". Then it came 2009, he said one more year. Then it came 2010, he said he was the best person to deal with the union negotiation, next year will be you. Then it came 2011, he said he is the best person to handle the Benstock case, you will be next year. Well, let's see how many next years there will be.
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A very bitter person, one must wonder why?????
Who cares!!!!!!!!
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Little Jackie Dolce,
sitting on his throne,
used to scream at little boys,
now they all have grown,
It does no good to speculate,
what makes a man this way,
but makes us think Term Limits
might be more than just, okay!
There is no reason ANY BoE Trustee should be allowed to serve for more than two terms. Period.
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We all know Lisa's opinion of IB overall, and the TOK course, in particular. I listed just two of her hundreds of quotes below.
"IB is a scam. Get rid of it and stop short-changing our students"
The COURSE TOK is Marxi-t in origin. The whole idea is to undermine religion and make students question their familial beliefs and what they really "know". It is DESIGNED to promote relativism and create confusion in the mind of the student
I thought if might be interesting to get quotes from University officials on this issue. Seems the Deans of Admissions of the College of William and Mary, and Vanderbilt University feel very different.
"The rigor of the IB Diploma requirement meets our recommendation for the strongest high school preparation possible.... Theory of Knowledge course fosters active and creative learning and philosophically akin to the goals of our freshman seminar program.
Allison Jesse, College of William and Mary.
" I have always been a supporter of the International Baccalaureate...There is no other curriculum anywhere that does a superior job of both educating students and inspiring a true and broad based love of learning.
William Shain, Vanderbilt University.
Interesting!
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Roll Tribe!!!!!!!!!!
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It is interesting to see how split the community is when it comes to IB. Could someone tell me if the amount of AP classes have been lessened b/c of the IB program? Are students still prepared for the AP exams ,or is the entire emphasis on IB? Do grads get the same amount of college credit with IB as opposed to AP? So confusing. Why don't more schools offer IB?
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LoL
Strange
Cannot wait for the BOE meeting thursday! Lets see how many people NON IB will show up with big mouths!!!!
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I like this one from Harvard.
"IB is well known to us for excellent preparation. Success in an IB program correlates well with success at Harvard. We are always pleased to see the credentials on the IB Diploma Program on the transcript."
Marilyn McGrath, Director of Undergraduate Admissions.
Lisa, how can Harvard be so clueless?
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As much as Lisa has tried, the community really isn't split on IB. In fact, support for the program is stronger than ever and growing.
There are, perhaps three people on this blog, all of whom are anti IB, and probably one or two others.
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@Anon
"Could someone tell me if the amount of AP classes have been lessened b/c of the IB program? Are students still prepared for the AP exams ,or is the entire emphasis on IB?"
The LVCSD does not offer many AP classes. Instead of offering the class they tell the kids to sit for the AP test at the end of the year without ever taking the class.
The entire emphasis is on IB and not AP. They feel that just studying and memorizing facts does not allow children to critically think!!!! With IB the children are "challenged" to think out of the box!!!
The community does not want IB and the school district could care less. They need to cut costs but refuse to cut the IB program.
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didn't obomo go to harvard???
harvard=clueless
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this link will fully explain IB
lisa is not the only person that is "anti ib"
http://channelingreality.com/Niwa/IB_unraveled_040610.htm
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"International Baccalaureate programs may superficially appear to be a remedy for academic decline, but IB focuses on many “affective” goals (values, attitudes, and behaviors) that follow along the same continuum that instigated and resulted in the widespread decline of U.S. education. (For details, see the deliberate dumbing down of america . . . A Chronological Paper Trail by Charlotte T. Iserbyt. < http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/ > Also go to the American Deception web site to find important and rare documents pertinent to changes in education, < http://americandeception.com/ >; see the Education category)."
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So today we read extremely positive post on IB by some of the top colleges and universities and there is not even one intelligent reply to why these leading institutional institutions so strongly endorse IB.
Why does Vanderbilt, a top 20 University, publicly praise IB by saying, quite frankly, that there in no other curriculum anywhere that does a superior job of educating students and inspiring a love of life long learning.
Why does Harvard, and MIT and the University of Michigan and Princeton and Duke and Stanford and Sara Lawrence and on and on sing such wonderful praise of the program?
What is the motivation of all these top universities?
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Lisa, you really are barking at the wrong tree. LV spends a lot more money on those unnecessary things than IB. Just heard from someone that BOE spent $28K on some consultant to form private foundation. My broker showed me this "Locust Valley is a very PRIVATE public school" brochure. I guess we are going private.
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Anon,
Are you still crafting imaginary pro-IB quotes? LOL
Another Anon asked:
Could someone tell me if the amount of AP classes have been lessened b/c of the IB program?
Absolutely. Pre-IB, LVHS offered 9 AP courses. LVHS now offers 3 AP courses. Districts like Syosset and Jericho offer in excess of 20 AP courses.
Are students still prepared for the AP exams ,or is the entire emphasis on IB?
The students who sat for the AP exams without the benefit of an AP course failed miserably. The emphasis is entirely IB.
Do grads get the same amount of college credit with IB as opposed to AP?
No. AP garners far more college credit than IB. Most U.S. universities do not recognize IB SL exams for college credit.
Why don't more schools offer IB?
1. Outrageously expensive
2. Inferior to AP
3. Extra layer of international bureaucracy
4. Controversial
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When was the last time LV had graduate admitted to Harvard?
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it was 9 years ago lv last had graduate admitted to dartmouth and in the same year to mit, 6 years ago lv last had graduate admitted to brown. none since. where is the ib advantage?
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Anonymous,
You mean the "quote" A VERY PRIVATE PUBLIC EDUCATION?? lol plzzzz http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/documents/BROCHURE_032911.pdf here is the brochure they hand out to them their RICH folk!
Makes one want to choke just reading it!
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"Lisa, you really are barking at the wrong tree. LV spends a lot more money on those unnecessary things than IB. Just heard from someone that BOE spent $28K on some consultant to form private foundation. My broker showed me this "Locust Valley is a very PRIVATE public school" brochure. I guess we are going private."
Poor grammar!!!!
Blog rules: If you post on this blog you must use proper grammar. Please refer to your APA handbook prior to posting.
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"So today we read extremely positive post on IB by some of the top colleges and universities and there is not even one intelligent reply to why these leading institutional institutions so strongly endorse IB."
Poor Grammar
Please refer to your APA handbook prior to posting on this blog.
Why does Vanderbilt, a top 20 University, publicly praise IB by saying, quite frankly, that there in no other curriculum anywhere that does a superior job of educating students and inspiring a love of life long learning.
"Why does Harvard, and MIT and the University of Michigan and Princeton and Duke and Stanford and Sara Lawrence and on and on sing such wonderful praise of the program?"
Run on sentence, very embarrassing
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Actually, I do believe the very bright and talented Eric Padilla, Class of 2011, is attending Harvard. I also believe he was the student who individually and independently took 4 or 5 AP exams. Let's be clear. We have always had, and always will have, bright, dedicated, talented students who have in the past and will in the future, gain admission to Ivy League schools with or without IB.
The better question to ask is: In the 8 yrs. since LVHS was authorized as an IB World School (remember the nonsense about trying to change the name to Locust Valley Academy?) and after 8 years of being told, "ALL of the TOP school districts on LI are CLAMORING for IB"........... why is it
Jericho
Syosset
Cold Spring Harbor
Wheatley
Roslyn
Manhasset
Great Neck
Half Hollow Hills
AREN'T IB?????????? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Why did Garden City and Glen Cove REJECT IB?
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Letter from Australian ex-pat oil Executive working in Bangladesh:
Dear Lisa,
Thanks for your time to write back! I see your website is con to IB but
at least you allow pro views on your website. You are fair with a
passionate con view.
You are so right it is a philosophy - "exploratory learning" on top of
that the basics are not taught they are expected to know a lot (i.e.
read, write, spell, etc.). Psychologists in Singapore have said that IB
schools require them to be achieving at the next grade level in their
current grade - which kind of defeats the purpose of the grade, e.g. In
Grade 1 they need to be showing Grade 2 level learning's/expectations.
Both these things are bad. Some of my kids do well or at least cope in
the IB, I don't really have a choice since IB is dominating the
International Schooling System. FYI, I am an Australian Expat working
overseas for an Oil and Gas company and plan to stay overseas. Thanks
for the website to Core Knowledge. I am exploring the option of home
schooling, exactly what I need!
I am slightly more con against after reading some more posts on your
website. I do hate exploratory learning, since it wastes time especially
inquisitive young minds that could take the whole class down a rabbit
hole... Such as 1 + 1 = 2, not 0.1 + 1.9 = 2 or square root of 4 = 2 or
-1 + 3 = 2. I think they need more of the disciplined "Army Approach"
and mean drill sergeant teachers? Can you imagine a drill sergeant
teaching IB style on how to shoot a gun?
AISD - American International School Dhaka of which my kids go to school
have only brought out IB PYP over 2 years. I asked the teachers if they
find it easier or harder than conventional teaching all agree that it is
harder to teach! And IB is not for the everyone as said by most teachers
at AISD.
The only thing I like about it is that is new and "maybe" a refresh of
the education system? And "maybe" re-invigorate and challenge the
teachers?
You may want to read a book "Freakonomics" or "Super Freakonomics" or at
least check out this website called www.freakonomics.com and see how
they use statistical data to drive to a good or bad outcome from a
neutral stance on various topics. I tried writing below in comparing AP
to IB if each were a casino game, of which you start from a neutral
stance and look at probabilities to beat the system, you would always go
AP. I also saw on your website in a posted note posted by a IB student,
in his year/grade AP students 30% of a class got A's vs IB students 10%
in another class got A's. Which help's prove the statistics if the same
material was covered and the teachers were comparable. Further if AP vs
IB on their ranking of 1-5 and 1-7 respectively is 25% vs 17% (given by
below purely statistical and not knowing anything).
[cont]
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[cont.]
The difference being
8% (AP better than I
10% in IB that got A's is 20%, IB is disadvantaged by 8% on a marking
scale or by chance if you will and AP's curriculum/teachers (or really
teaching style all things being equal) is an advantage of about 12% (20%
- 8%) better than IB!
Also studies show that physical exercise is linked to academic
performance (stress relief, oxygen to the brain, general health and
development, etc.) if kids are spending all the time studying in IB due
to the high work load then they are at a disadvantage!
Keep on what you are doing you are an inspiration and give IB a fair
account for what it is worth, I will try to work with the system to try
and change the IB system (by asking how much it cost, does the teacher
like teaching it, do parents like it, are the kids getting smarter or
dumber due to IB - show me proof, how are the teachers remunerated and
how is this link to IB performance, etc.).
Take care Daniel XXXXX (a concerned parent)
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Anonymous,
Are you ok?
Looking back at all your posts you seem to be jumping fences?? Incoherent? I am starting to get seriously concerned about you? Are you feeling ok? Do you need help? Maybe we can call a family member?
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
I wonder what happened to Imadoodiehead
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http://networkedblogs.com/u1lGr
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Lisa,
Oh my goodness Lisa, it seems you have been avoiding the issue, and spinning a lot of nonsense. Let's what the people who count think of IB-- you know the people who make admission decisions to the best colleges and universities. In particular, the comments I like concerns TOK and comes from the Dean at the College of William and Mary. Apparently, she doesn't realize that "The COURSE TOK is Marxi-t in origin. The whole idea is to undermine religion and make students question their familial beliefs and what they really "know". It is DESIGNED to promote relativism and create confusion in the mind of the student"
http://www.rasamn.org/curriculum/college-university-ib.html
“IB is well known to us for excellent preparations. Success in an IB program correlates well with success at Harvard. We are always pleased to see the credentials of the IB Diploma Program on the transcript.”
Marilyn McGrath Lewis Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Harvard University
“One of the advantages of an IB curriculum is its structure and quality. It is a coordinated program, well established, well known, and well respected. We know the quality of IB courses and we think the IB curriculum is terrific.”
Christopher Guttentag Director of Undergraduate Admission, Duke University
“Send us prepared students (like those from) IB . It is the ‘best’ high school prep curriculum an American school can offer.”
Marilee Jones, former Director of Undergraduate Admission, MIT
“I have always been a supporter of the International Baccalaureate. It is a thoughtful and genuinely intellectual curriculum with an unusually high degree of integrity and connectedness. There is no other curriculum anywhere that does a superior job of both educating students and inspiring a true and broad-based love of learning.”
William Shain Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Vanderbilt University
“The rigor of IB Diploma requirements meets our recommendation for the strongest high school preparation possible. The Extended Essay echoes William & Mary‘s belief in the value of original research as well as the College’s emphasis on strong writing skills, and the Theory of Knowledge course fosters active and critical learning and is philosophically akin to the goals of our freshman seminar program.
The CAS component answers our call for students who have been exposed to community service and creative endeavors and who understand the importance of developing the whole person. In sum, the IB diploma candidate who has met the challenge successfully receives strong consideration from the William & Mary admission committee.
Allison Jesse, former Associate Dean of Admissions, College of William & Mary
Advanced Placement and IB examinations for most highly selective institutions are the ‘gold standard’ in terms of quality and in terms of predicting success on our campuses.”
Dan Walls, Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Emory University
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Anonymous 1,
That was very "nice"! But most of the children AND parents believe bc of the lvsd when u take an IB course you will automatically get a free ride and credit when you go to college!
Unfortunetly that article not one of the colleges mentions credits for taking an IB Class!
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Anonymous1
poor grammar
@haveyouwalked
I just heard Anonymous was tragically struck by his own run on sentence. He didn't see it coming. All of those and's, one by one, just hit him so hard he suffered from multiple crushing wounds, fractured ribs and a broken heart. He also did n't get any chocolate for Valentines Day. It is very sad.
RIP Anonymous
it looks like Anonymous1 is here to replace you!!!!
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@Anonymous1
Quotes from an entertainment magazine, Newsweek, is NOT sufficient support for IB.
VOTE NO FOR IB
VOTE NO ON THE SCHOOL BUDGET
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As expected, not a single post to refute the high praise the top universities and colleges publicly furnish on IB.
Instead more of the same inane comments meant to deflect and side track the issue. I leave you with the following remark and ask again, Why does success in the IB program correlate so highly with success at Harvard.
“IB is well known to us for excellent preparations. Success in an IB program correlates well with success at Harvard. We are always pleased to see the credentials of the IB Diploma Program on the transcript.”
Marilyn McGrath Lewis Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Harvard University
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Anonymous 1,
Your link is laughable! Do you even realize what you linked? A private ELEMENTARY school in Minnesota that uses the same IB propaganda quotes to try and sell this crap product? Are you so stupid that you are unable to discern the difference between a private PYP and a public DP?
I guess you are.
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Anonymous1 = Anonymous = multiple personality disorder!!!
Still think we should call someone to help you!
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The quotes are the quotes. You refuse to deal with them, and as usual you deflect the issue. It doesn't matter who uses the quotes or where they are posted,
What matters are what the quotes say, and you have no valid response. You obfuscate and try and dance around the fact that the best colleges and universities highly respect and publicly recognize the excellence of the IB program, In so doing they contradict all the nonsense you spin.
You are out of business.
Now, I strongly disagreed with all you said and attacked your view and position without insulting YOU. Try responding without personal attacks.
Perhaps, you will find this quote more pleasing.
“I have always been a supporter of the International Baccalaureate. It is a thoughtful and genuinely intellectual curriculum with an unusually high degree of integrity and connectedness. There is no other curriculum anywhere that does a superior job of both educating students and inspiring a true and broad-based love of learning.”
William Shain Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Vanderbilt University
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Anonymous 1
"The quotes are the quotes"
And Alice in Wonderland is also FICTION!
"It doesn't matter who uses the quotes or where they are posted"
Really? What planet do you live on?
You are a propagandist. You have nothing but uncorroborated IB propaganda to spew. I have given you multiple opportunities to locate the original source of some of your fairy tales quotes. You have failed miserably.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda
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Here's a special quote just for Anonymous 1:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” ~Joseph Goebbels
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
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Again, not sure what part of this you do not understand.
Quotes from an entertainment magazine are NOT sufficient support for IB
Who cares what someone said about IB that is just someones opinion.
Quotes...GARBAGE...RUBBISH
Please provide references from journals to support your case.
SAY NOT TO IBO
VOTE NO ON THE SCHOOL BUDGET
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Lisa,
Why am I not surprised to learn you read Goebbels.
While you understand the concept your execution would leave your mentor disappointed and exasperated.
To be fair however, I think your lie is just too big to be believed.
Hey, I think the quote from MIT below is great. Do you agree? My favorite part is Marilee describing IB AS THE BEST... Heck, she is only speaking for MIT, what does she/they know
Send us prepared students (like those from) IB . It is the ‘best’ high school prep curriculum an American school can offer.”
Marilee Jones, former Director of Undergraduate Admission, MIT
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@Anonymous1
oooo...obfuscate, big word. I see you are using your dictionary but not your APA manuel. Your posts are grammatically incorrect and incoherent.
“I have always been a supporter of the International Baccalaureate. It is a thoughtful and genuinely intellectual curriculum with an unusually high degree of integrity and connectedness. There is no other curriculum anywhere that does a superior job of both educating students and inspiring a true and broad-based love of learning.”
William Shain Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Vanderbilt University
I don't care who said this quote but this is just sh*t from some guys mouth. Anyone describing an educational program as "thoughtful" is a good BS artist.
"connectedness" this is laughable. Connectedness!!! connected to what??? More like DISCONNECTED!!!
SAY NO TO IBO
VOTE NO ON THE SCHOOL BUDGET
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Anonymous 1,
De Nile is not just a river in Egypt.
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I was going to go to the BOE meeting tonight but I find this much more entertaining!!! It is also raining and I just feel like posting some quotes.
It is kind of a quote night.
@Anonymous1
got some quotes for ya quote dude
http://www.ibquotes.com
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"IB is like an abusive husband, you know you should leave but you can't because you have a life together even if that life occasionally beats you, calls you names, and makes you feel like killing yourself."- Jordan S.
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Quote #59
"You guys are data bulimics. You just swallow it and then spew it out for the test. It's disgusting."
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Oh, look!!!
I found the link where Anonymous1 found those "famous" FAKE quotes.http://jerome.dublin.k12.oh.us/IB/quotes.pdf
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an oldie but a goodie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G-mjVUvG0M
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt-yas76TDw&feature=related
This is hilarious!!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1iEK2h8wIc
TOK class!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaCk_pIC8-E&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3U--demvto&feature=related
TOK=meaningless
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IqgYoCvDbY&feature=related
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Anonymous,
Hey, great find on the source of those IB quotes "In their own words" ..... LOLOLOL .... exactly, IB makes up the words and assigns them to admissions officers .... pretty funny!
I have it on good authority that at the very least, IB will be on the list of items to be considered for cuts in the upcoming budget.
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IB is not the issue. Northport is an IB School and they are able to deal with the tax cap, espectially with pipeline money on the way. If they can do it, so should LV.
http://northport.patch.com/articles/board-asks-for-two-budgets
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From the comments following the above article in Patch (which, btw, is owned by the Huffington Post)
"Try to FOIL info from the district and see the runaround you get, if not a flat out, illegal denial. Look at the Committees within our district and they are "friends and family clubs" that go to great measures to keep out the folks who don't agree to go with the flow."
Why, that sounds EXACTLY like LVCSD! And what do they have in common?
IB!
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Lisa,
Embrace yourself. LV is going to use your tax dollars to pay BSK to sue NYS per BSK recommendation that tax cap is illegal.
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Anonymous,
Open House tomorrow at 15 Dickerson Ave, Bayville 1:00 - 3:00 PM!
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Lisa,
How much is your tax?
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Even the information is public, Lisa will never tell you. She totally lacks transparency.
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Lisa,
Who is this guy, what does he do?
(NYSTRS Member) Buonaspina, Robert $130,643 2011
(NYSTRS Member) Buonaspina, Robert $131,758 2010
(NYSTRS Member) Buonaspina, Robert $123,692 2009
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ibuyusedhouses,
Just under $9,000 inc. Village - over 1/2 acre of property, non-flood zone
Anonymous,
Why, Mr. B. is the IB Coordinator! You didn't KNOW that?
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"Even the information is public, Lisa will never tell you. She totally lacks transparency." Anonymous doofus
You mean the public information I had to FOIL every year because LVCSD refuses to share it on its website?
http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/iblocustvalleyny.html
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Lisa,
Thank you for the information. My son had him as a social studies teacher, is that the same guy?
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Yep. Nice man, short, stocky and balding. I've never bothered him for fear he would have a heart attack and I would be blamed for killing Mr. B.
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Lisa,
I'd like my son to move back here with their baby because of the school. Your taxes went from about $5K in 2005 to almost $9K now. Have you done a lot of improvement? At that rate, it will be $16K by the time their baby is in Middle School.
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ibuyusedhouses,
You can thank LVCSD for that tax increase. The only improvements we have made in the past 7 years have been replacement or interior work, no expansion of the footprint or addition of pool or central air. The house was built in 1905, hence the reason our taxes are as "low" as they are. Other homes on my block have taxes in the $12-14,000 range.
Our total taxes were $2,300 when we purchased the home in 1990.
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Now that Lisa's children have graduated she advocates for cuts to school services and a pay to play sports programs. Keep in mind, the district with our tax dollars paid over $22,000 to BOCES for special elite programs for her children. And as best I can tell, the district never charged her for her children's participation in school performances. NEVER. Now her thank you to current parents:
Transportation. Cut busing "Carpool. Walk. Ride your bikes. Everyone here claims to admire Europe so much - have you ever been to Amsterdam? Nobody drives a car, all bikes.
Sports. ... "pay to play, I would think the fund would have to be set up in a way that each sport would be the same fee - $100 per sport. Then LVCSD has to figure out how to manage each sport successfully on the budget provided. Football should not be given preference over say girls tennis or field hockey. Title 9."
Oh, and one last word fro Lisa "Stop WHINING" The nerve, pay back the $22k and we will.
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Anon,
After you pay back the $2+M that's been spent on IB over the past 10 yrs. to date.
And hey, why don't you go after the parents whose special needs children received hundreds in thousands of taxpayer and state money for their kids? How's that for a deal, you snarky, nasty, coward called Anon?
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Who said I endorse IB? There you go again deflecting.
I certainly do endorse aid for special needs children, yet you have the nerve to equate the responsibitity of a community to support those less fortunate, some with severe disabilities, to the elite courses taken by your children.
Almost beyond belief, you resent current students getting services as basic as transportation Why? And you have the nerve to tell their parents to stop whining. Yet you feel it your right to have these same parents pay $22k for your children to get special training.
This attitude is to say the least narcissistic and self centered.
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Anon,
"Yet you feel it your right to have these same parents pay $22k for your children to get special training."
Both Lisa's son and daughter took that ride to Syosset for that EXTRAcurriculum course at our expense. Is your $22K number for each or both?
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It is for both.
What is especially frustrating is Lisa calling for cuts to transportation. Her children were transported to their elite classes and community members (tax payees) didn' t ask them to ride their bikes to SYosset.
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Anon,
I too believe we do Not need all these buses riding around with 4/5 kids on them!
Seriously do you?
Is there no other way they cannot figure out how to full up those buses, especially in little ole bayville?
I bet we could cut 1/2 of those!
Lisa,
Are you serious about special ed?
Actually i was quite offended because as a taxpayer my right is for special services for a child with a disability!
NOT IB!! that is the BOE CHOICE!
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
No, I am not serious about having anyone "re-pay" the district for special ed services. I threw that back at Anon because I'm pretty sure Anon is one of the BoE Trustees whose special needs child received specialized services at a humongous cost to the district for decades from pre-K to age 21 and I'm sick and tired of this a$$wipe pointing out that my kids went 1/2 day to BOCES - NOT an elitist program, but one that suited their talents, in a way LVHS could not match.
Furthermore, my kids drove themselves to Syosset BOCES in their senior year and before they had cars, there were many times I drove them myself because the bus system was so ridiculous that they had to be picked up at 6:45 in the morning and wait at Jericho HS for a transfer in order to get to BOCES by 8:00.
Elite courses? My daughter, whom this district determined to be "gifted" in elementary school, was forced to take Regents level SS and English AT BOCES BECAUSE LVHS WAS TOO INCOMPETENT TO SCHEDULE AN AP COURSE IN THE AFTERNOON!
LVHS forced her into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?"
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Btw, the BOCES budget has been severely slashed. Dr. Chu consistently voted NO for BOCES as he held some sort of personal grudge against the system. Classified children have confidentiality protection but gifted kids do NOT in the state of NY. My son had a 504 Plan. Did you know that, Jack?
If Jack Dolce thinks this community is going to pass a budget that comes in over the 2% cap, he better see a shrink.
Do you know how many Bayville and LV Mommies drive their kids to school? LOTS! And having these school buses stop every 20' along Bayville Avenue? Ridiculous!
That reminds me. Does LVCSD still believe that seat belts on school buses are unnecessary because the kids hit each other with them? I recall having a lengthy discussion with Dickie Hurts about that, way back when. I see quite a few brand new buses. Would be a shame if children weren't seat-belted in. I mean, for God's sake, you have to have a booster seat in your car till your kid is 4'9" according to NY law (which I think is ridiculous). But no seat belts on our buses?
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Anon,
You want to mess with me, Jack? Are ya gonna run around to every newstand that sells The Leader and buy them all out again this year? LOL!
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I like to see Jackie run. Run Jackie, run! I'll have to time my LTE's to The Guardian, The Record Pilot, The Enterprise Pilot and the Leader appropriately.
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Wow, the truth really, really hurts.
You can attack whomever all you like. All you can do is deflect. The fact is the district paid a lot of money for your children to take ELITE classes, and I don't have to be on the BOE to know that or what it costs. The costs have been posted on the blog, although the amounts have varied, but it seems the $22k resonates with you.
You have tried to bully parents for years and now the gig is up. My agenda in not the budget but to expose you as the selfish, narcissistic person you are. Rant all you want, it verifies the point.
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Stop picking on Lisa it is deplorable how one person is given the brunt of the districts short falls. are you people so dumb as not to realizes that this "elite" boces program still exists and is currently being utilized by current LVHS students. you can call it elitist because you can't just opt in you have to apply and be accepted. some people just don't know when to quit. our district is plagued with problems, how about you take a long hard look and start fixing things and stop blaming Lisa, wow Lisa must be some powerful person that she has so many people running scared or the hate responses would cease.
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Thank you, LOL.
Actually, the Long Island High School for Performing Arts now only runs a morning session. You see, in its infinite wisdom, BOCES has decided to put a program for unwed mothers in place for the afternoon session.
The NYT wrote up an article quite some time ago about the Syosset BOCES being one of Long Island's "best kept secrets". Actually, I discovered it because the former Bayville Princessipal Norah Friedman sent her own son there and because Abbe Gross (LVHS' Musical Director) told my son he should be in the lighting design program.
Btw, my son earned his 4 yr. degree with a 3.0 from SUNY Purchase and is a senior lighting designer with a top NYC firm.
My daughter graduated in 4 yrs. from NYU with a 3.7 GPA.
I think I did all right by my kids, and my kids have made me very proud.
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I disagree with Anon or Jack or whoever posted that the district paying for Lisa's children's BOCES program is wrong. I support the district paying for special talents children may have.
However, Lisa looks down from an angry perch condescendingly at the rest of us. She thinks her children are better than ours, and is upset, enraged and infuriated that her children had to mix with mine.
My children may not be as gifted as Lisa's but I love them as all parents love their children. The nerve to demean and describe half the students as she does below is arrogant, elitist and patronizing
Lisa said:
"LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?"
Sorry Lisa half our children are not drunk and illiterate. They are just not as gifted as your children. We do our best and it is too bad your daughter had to be contaminated by the presence of average struggling students, like my son.
I am so angry and so, so tired of defending you.
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Anonymous,
Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control.
And exactly WHEN did you EVER defend me? How extraordinarily LAUGHABLE!
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Well, there it is for all to see. You decide.
Lisa said:
Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control.
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Anonymous,
You deny there is a drug and alcohol problem in LVHS? You think by changing the name of the Drug and Alcohol Committee to the Health and Wellness Committee those problems just magically disappeared? You think word doesn't travel in this little town as to who had an abortion? Really? Or do you support killing babies over sexual responsibility?
Just askin. I don't know you, I don't know who your kid is. My kids had friends of all different levels of cognitive abilities. My daughter co-founded the Gay-Straight Alliance at the HS, as well as the Culinary Club, two clubs which are still in existence. When we held a pre-prom party, we included a gay couple as well as a lovely young man with special needs who none of the "popular" LV kids were ever nice to. So don't accuse me of looking down my nose at somebody because they were "average".
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Lisa's direct quotes, you decide:
Btw, my son earned his 4 yr. degree with a 3.0 from SUNY Purchase and is a senior lighting designer with a top NYC firm. My daughter graduated in 4 yrs. from NYU with a 3.7 GPA.
LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?"
Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control.
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Hey Anonymous,
I'm sorry you are so intellectually bankrupt and jealous of my life that you have nothing better to do than copy and paste my posts. If I knew who you were, I'd pray for you.
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Again picking on Lisa, She must be the great and almighty not just powerful, you keep deferring back to her. At least her quotes are truth. I haven't walked the halls lately but not only are the kids drunk but stoned as well.And i have heard that from staff at good ole LV. along with the abortion stories.the truth does hurt. Stop blaming and FIX the problems at LVHS. You can't blame that on Lisa
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LOL,
Again, thank you. It's true. I haven't supplied any teenagers with booze or drugs, nor have I impregnated any LVHS floozies.
Speaking of Health & Wellness, this is an interesting story out of CT:
http://biggovernment.com/sberry/2012/02/18/connecticut-school-district-substitutes-health-and-wellness-programs-for-arts-and-music-curriculum/
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Anonymous wrote:
Lisa's direct quotes, you decide:
Btw, my son earned his 4 yr. degree with a 3.0 from SUNY Purchase and is a senior lighting designer with a top NYC firm. My daughter graduated in 4 yrs. from NYU with a 3.7 GPA.
LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?"
Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control.
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"Lisa's direct quotes:
Btw, my son earned his 4 yr. degree with a 3.0 from SUNY Purchase and is a senior lighting designer with a top NYC firm. My daughter graduated in 4 yrs. from NYU with a 3.7 GPA."
I gathered based on the several postings from Lisa and the above direct quote, her childdren are natual genius but unfortunately ruined by the horrible Locust Valley education. Had they been home schooled, they would have been both IVY with 10.0 GPA. Sorry Lisa, the community let you down.
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Admin,
Please remove the personal attacks by Anonymous on myself and my children. This sort of spam needs to be moderated.
Thank you.
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http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mood-swings/201106/deleting-the-blog-bully
The admin of this blog should act responsibly by deleting the attacks from Anonymous...unless the admin is Anonymous!!!
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There is no attack, I merely copy YOUR DIRECT QUOTES. The community can review them and decide for themselves what they mean.
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she can give it but can't take it.
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Anonymous,
I wonder really are you and Adult? Because if you are, you need grow up and wake up!
Do you really think a majority of the kids in the school are not either drinking or doing some sort of drug?
If you think so YOU THEN are part of the reason why!
My middle schooler said one day oh so and so drinks! I said REALLY? she does?
Why? Does her mom know?
No!!!! Shes never home and when she is shes to busy buying her stuff!!!
Wow!!
So is she sitting home watching that dumb show 16 and pregnant?
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"they would have been both IVY with 10.0 GPA." ~Anonymous
ROTFLMAO! Okay, so Anonymous has demonstrated ZERO knowledge of what constitutes university GPA.
A 10.0 .....
LOLOLOLOL!
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This is not something that should be glossed over. People coming on the blog now who may not have seen the remarks about our students should see them. They they can decide. if they want they can review the posts from Saturday to get the complete context, although once you read the quotes I don't know what context is necessary. In particular, I wonder what mothers think of Lisa's description of "those sweet little LVHS girls"
Lisa's direct quotes, you decide:
Btw, my son earned his 4 yr. degree with a 3.0 from SUNY Purchase and is a senior lighting designer with a top NYC firm. My daughter graduated in 4 yrs. from NYU with a 3.7 GPA.
LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?"
Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control.
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*yawn*
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Stop the blame, FIX the problems at LVHS, maybe Lisa's kids would be willing to come back and share their real success stories promoting the Boces programs open to all students. LV should be proud that they produced such great students.And Lisa's aren't by far the only ones, bizarre why that is implied. Her kids weren't the first and they won't be the last. So funny how Lisa keeps being deferred back to; way to give her validity with your running scared post Anonymous. Truth be told it is the middle of the road kids that get short changed at good ole LVHS
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When my daughter was a senior at BOCES, she served as a student representative who traveled to Albany to lobby for more State money for BOCES. Do you think LVCSD ever thanked her in any way shape or form for that? How many IB students have lobbied for funds to supplement the cost of IB to us taxpayers? Hmmmm?
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Lisa's statements about our students are disgusting. No one, except Lisa, posts to brag about their children, and certainly none post to degrade other students. What do you say Lisa, do you want to apologize for making the statement below or do you stand behind it?
Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control.
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Nicole/Anonymous,
*yawn*
"I'm like Martha Stuart without a rap sheet" ~Joan Rivers
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LOL...you hit the nail on the head
"LV should be proud that they produced such great students.And Lisa's aren't by far the only ones, bizarre why that is implied. Her kids weren't the first and they won't be the last."
ONLY IF THEY TOOK IB!!!!
Children can not be successful if they did not take IB...esp. Lisa's children that went to BOCES...that is unheard of!!!
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Maybe we can ask for a BOCES successful alum list. That will help to prove who is right.
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The Boces program for the arts in Syosset is wonderful. I also think it's underutilized by the LVCSD.
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The Boces program for the arts in Syosset is wonderful. I also think it's underutilized by the LVCSD.
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How about of LVCSD IB alum list instead.
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http://www.teaparty911.com/blog/the-ib-program-is-an-attempt-to-indoctrinate-our-children-by-socialist-organizations/comment-page-1/#comment-70
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http://www.fcps.edu/WestPotomacHS/Images/pdf/advanaced_academics/AP%20Scholar%20Press%20Release.pdf#xml=http://search.fcps.edu/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/webinator/search/xml.txt?query=AP+&pr=WestPotomacHS&prox=sentence&rorder=750&rprox=750&rdfreq=500&rwfreq=500&rlead=500&sufs=1&order=r&cq=&id=4cb1568819
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this programme sounds like the IB programme...hmm
http://www.european-freedom-initiative.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50%3Azombify-to-unify-european-schools-brainwashing-children&catid=41%3Aeu-news-france&Itemid=62
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http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/obama-imposing-national-school-curriculum
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IB WILL BE STAYING TOO MUCH LONGER!!!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zJwPQLto9A8
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based on public records, there were 156 lvcsd employees that made more than #100k in base salary in 2011, before over time or any benefits including health insurance. most of them are nine months employees. why did our boe sign off on such excessive deals?
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i should have mentioned that the 156 lvcsd employess that made over $100K in base pay in 2011 includes John Benstock, whose 2011 base salary was $117,959.
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Will the National Curriculum definitely remove IB?
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@ Anonymous wrote:
The Boces program for the arts in Syosset is wonderful. I also think it's underutilized by the LVCSD.
As wonderful as it may be, we cannot afford it at $22,000 plus busing a pop. If we send 50 students, that will be over one million dollars. A lot of things are nice, I like nice cars, nice boats, nice vacations. But if I am tight in money, I will just dream about it.
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@ Anon
But since the BOCES program is available, don't we owe it to our students to send them so they may benefit from it?
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@ Anon
And don't we owe it to ourselves to take advantage of it, since we’re already paying for it?
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OK, I"m confused. Is the BOCES program already in the budget whether or not we send students? I've heard that the district does not want students enrolled b/c they'd rather push them into IB.
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"Will the National Curriculum definitely remove IB?"
YES, this curriculum is to standardize education across the board.
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Anon keep dreaming the Boces programs are available for those who are eligible just as the many thousands that get spent on children with special needs why should the gifted get the shaft. And BTW @ LVCSD we spend approx $28,000 per student. So dream on and take that vacation
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If the National Curriculum standardizes education across the board, then how will all of our children be served?
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@ Anonymous
If the BOCES program is already in the budget regardless of whether we send children, then we should be sending our children, so they can benefit, and we don't waste the money being spent on the program.
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Anonymous wrote:
@ Anonymous
If the BOCES program is already in the budget regardless of whether we send children, then we should be sending our children, so they can benefit, and we don't waste the money being spent on the program.
It is NOT already in the budget. What is in the budget is the base BOCES fee, which does not include Syosset program. LV pays each student additional $22,000 to BOCES for the program and that is on top of the $30,000 per student cost.
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Anon is providing incorrect information. Each year, districts pay a quite hefty fee in the $250,000 range, as I recall, to participate in BOCES. That provides access to ALL of the BOCES facilities, such as the Rosemary Kennedy center or the Brookville Environmental BOCES.
The Syosset BOCES (Performing Arts) has been cut to only an AM session. When my children attended, the "tuition" a district paid BOCES for 1/2 day attendance was $8,500.
Prayers for the Colvin family. My HS friend Marie, a reporter for the Sunday Times in London, was killed by Syrian government rocket fire yesterday. You will be missed, Marie.
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@Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:58 PM Lisa wrote:
Anon is providing incorrect information. Each year, districts pay a quite hefty fee in the $250,000 range, as I recall, to participate in BOCES. That provides access to ALL of the BOCES facilities, such as the Rosemary Kennedy center or the Brookville Environmental BOCES.
The Syosset BOCES (Performing Arts) has been cut to only an AM session. When my children attended, the "tuition" a district paid BOCES for 1/2 day attendance was $8,500.
Not sure about the $250,000, which is hefty I agree. However, the $8,500 is on top of the hefty $250,000 fee. Is it not? Also, LV has to first pay the hefty $250,000, then it will have the "priviledge" to "only" pay another $8,500 per student. Is this accurate based on your numbers? Do you know if it is still $8,500 now or has it gone up?
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http://www.investigativeproject.org/3396/questionable-islamic-curriculum-in-classrooms
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Anonymous,
Tell ya what. When you master 3rd grade spelling, I'll try and help you understand the BOCES system.
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Who needs public education?
http://www.tnr.com/blog/timothy-noah/100911/santorum-who-needs-public-education
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Rick is 100% right
OMG
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Well, the Carter administration argues the federal government has the authority to oversee education under the constitution. How? The constitution states, the federal government has the responsibility " to promote the general welfare." Education the federal government claims falls within "the general welfare" of the country and it's people.
The states claim it is a states right under the 10th amendment.
It doesn't matter both are bureaucratcies, and are one of the chief reasons U.S. education is failing.
Bush. "No Child Left Behind" An utter failure.
Obama. "Race to the Top" Even worse.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uLRHZEhGWY8
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Anon,
Oh, well, if the Carter administration made the argument ......
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
Exactly my point as to why the Fed. Dept of Ed should be abolished.
Who was a better President, Anon?
Carter? Or Obama? Or NEITHER because they're both ONE-TERM LEFT-WING LOSERS!
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Lisa,
In your eyes, no president is more to the left than FDR.
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Oh boy! LVCSD finally put the Board Actions from 12/11 and 1/12 online!
"Dr. Anna Hunderfund recognized Locust Valley Elementary faculty member, Karen Kriesberg, who was the subject of a chapter in a book by Bank Street professor Sal Vascellaro, entitled Out of the Classroom and into the World."
Hey! How come I wasn't recognized for being the subject of Chapter 45 in Jay Mathews' book Supertest; How The International Baccalaureate Can Strengthen Our Schools? Huh? Huh?
Gee, I can't imagine why .... LOL!
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I would imagine because the school district would look to distance itself from someone who made the following comments about its students.
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Lisa's direct quotes, about LV students, you decide:
"Btw, my son earned his 4 yr. degree with a 3.0 from SUNY Purchase and is a senior lighting designer with a top NYC firm. My daughter graduated in 4 yrs. from NYU with a 3.7 GPA."
"LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?"
"Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control."
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*yawn*
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LOL
I've been thinking, you know what would be quite amusing??
Lisa and anonymous doing a " stand up" act at a BOE meeting!!
Altho if u could bet on something like that i'd place mine on lisa!
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@Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
A better time and place would be the annual Comedy Night or Comedy Knights.
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A Liberal, a Moderate and a Conservative walked into a restaurant.
The hostess says, "Hi Mitt!
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Lisa,
Do you remember the three Federal Dept. Rick, the conserve you like, is going to eliminate?
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Anonymous,
Rick Perry? Who said I liked Rick Perry? News flash - he's no longer in the race.
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Lisa,
It doesn't matter he is in the race or not. I will write him in just like I wrote you in.
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the secessionist rick perry is a traitor
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Reelect Erika Bruno, our own Education Mangement expert:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/erikabruno
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pIqvyOho5PQ#!
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right wing conspiracy
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Term limits for BoE Trustees!
How about some new blood? Any challengers this year?
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Lisa,
Instead of term limits, we should limit the number of times one can run and lose.
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Lisa,
The longest serving BOE president and member was the late Lenice Hertweck.
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in oyster bay that distinction was held by the late, great Mrs. Van DerHoot whose committment to a classical education of young woman of distinction was tragically cut short by her unfortunate yatching-launch accident of 1927
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Joe,
Was she really? God rest her soul, Lenice was a truly classy lady. I remember she advocated for AP courses and a co-operative agreement with Cold Spring Harbor Laboratories. She also wrote a fabulous op-ed in The Leader and spoke before the Board about IB being "superfluous".
It always amused me in the early 90's how, in her Welsh accent, used to speak of her "daaaawhter". Around 2002, I was running an Open House in Brookville and a customer came by. When I made a follow-up call, the woman said, "My mother knows you". I said, "Really? Who is your mother?"
That's when she told me, "Lenice Hertweck" and I couldn't help it, I just blurted out, "Oh my God - you're Lenice's DAAAAAWHTER!"
And we've been best friends ever since. In fact, it was Lenice's DAAAAAWHTER who helped me pass out notices of the IB Informational night back in October, 2004. Lenice had promised to bail us out if Shear carried through on his threats to have us arrested.
RIP Lenice. You are missed.
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bridge mechanic,
Are you sure you don't have your Oyster Bay families confused? I suppose it could have been Mrs. VanDer Hoot, but the HS wasn't even built until 1928. Prior to that, I believe dear Mrs. Phipps was quite influential in the local schools, but I doubt a school board actually existed.
http://www3.gendisasters.com/new-york/8968/port-jefferson-li-ny-yacht-accident-drowning-aug-1922
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Lisa,
Wasn't it Lenice, who sold the Brookville School?
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I believe Lenice was on the Board at the time LVCSD made the wise decision to close down a school with 64 students in it, yes.
Why, you wish you had it for an IB Academy now? Awwwww
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Allow me to take this opportunity to post a "warning" to LVHS.
IB is promoting Greg Mortenson's Pennies for Peace fundraiser. LVCSD should be advised that Mr. Mortenson is under investigation for $20M+ in alleged tax fraud and for falsely reporting stories in his non-fiction, NYT #1 best seller "Three for Tea".
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-20055865.html
http://www.lakenewsonline.com/news/x1288994461/International-Baccalaureate-students-raise-money-to-build-schools
http://schoolsites.leeschools.net/lxm/ib/Shared%20Documents/2009-2010%20School%20Year/Inquirer%205.pdf
http://www.ibo.org/iba/conference/featuredspeakers/index.cfm
http://globalengage.ibo.org/eng/post/three-cups-tea
While a person should still be considered innocent unti proven guilty, it seems to me that 60 Minutes has quite a story on Mr. Mortenson. Should an "educational programme" be using our children to raise money for a cause that is being investigated for fraud and tax evasion?
Don't say I never warned you folks. I better not see a press release in The Leader about ANY school in LVCSD participating in Pennies for Peace!
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Lisa,
Close the school is the right decision but sold the property is quite unwise.
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Anonymous,
Why? What would have been the purpose of keeping an empty building? LVCSD's enrollment is DECLINING, not increasing.
Hey, did they ever install A/C in the HS auditorium?
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It was sold for only a few hundred thousand dollars, for Brookville, it barely buys an acre or so today.
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Anonymous,
Uh .... so? You didn't answer my question .... what would have been the purpose of holding on to an empty, deteriorating building for years on end?
The property was sold for fair market value at the time.
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Lisa,
At the time? Show me the appraisal.
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My wife came home after the last Saturday meeting and said to me, who does this guy Jack Dolce think he is? Another echoed at the meeting. She has been to other Districts budget meetings and the Superintendents were always the one presenting the budget. She said Jack Dolce said your husbands should come because they will understand it. In case you missed the last budget meeting, like me, here it is:
http://issuu.com/oysterbayguardian/docs/hobg_02-03-2012
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Husband,
Thanks for the link ... and the laugh. Dolce is a misogynistic egomaniac. He certainly doesn't reflect MY VALUES. The "flavor" of our community of late that comes to mind is split-pea soup, with all of the accompanying gastric side effects.
Go for it Jack! Try and get 60% to approve over the 2% cap! LOL! Make my day!
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Lisa,
When was the last time we passed the budget by 60%?
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Lisa,
You are welcome. Although my wife knows about budget more than I do (that's her job at work), I do know the projected enrollment previously published for 2012-2013 is a 2.5% decline. That combined with the 2% cap amounts to an increase of 4.5%. Don't cry poverty even though my kids have long way to go.
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Anonymous,
If you are curious as to what the appraisal was for the Brookville school sale, go look it up yourself. Frankly, I'm not interested and it is totally irrelevant when it comes to today's budget problems.
As to when has a budget ever been approved by 60%? I'm pretty sure ... NEVER! But I'm sure Jack is up to the challenge! Go Jack, go!
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Lisa,
Don't be too happy too soon. Dolce has been very nice to Zaino and Craft lately. He may just get the 60% he wants.
Go Jack, go! Go go Jack! Jack go go! Jack, time to go!
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Anonymous,
My school taxes went up over $300 last year. If Jack thinks the LVCSD community is going to support a budget exceeding the 2% cap by 60% with gas prices over $4 a gallon, I want some of what he's smoking! LOL!
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Lisa,
Really? Went up by over $300? Jack school tax came down by almost $1000 this year. You should do what he did unless he is getting a senior citizen discount.
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Anonymous,
Maybe Jack filed a certiorari on his property.
Listen, when a 2 BR home in Bayville on 73 x 100 is on the market for $390,000 with taxes approaching $10,000 -- LVCSD better WAKE UP! LVCSD's greed and wasteful spending are destroying the ability of first-time home buyers in our area to buy due to the outrageous school taxes. Think logically - what happens when NO young people can afford to buy a home and raise a family in LVCSD? No new students! Enrollment will decline drastically. Teachers will face massive layoffs. Maybe LV and Bayville elementary schools will be combined forcing more school closures.
Jack is confident that Jericho and Syosset will get 60% approval because people there CARE about education? I heard there was quite the ruckus over the Syosset Superintendent's salary going to $572,000 + benefits!
Jack is stuck in the 90's. His inability to recognize the suffering and dramatic decline in quality of life in our area is disturbing. As the BoE President, he will shout down and attempt to intimidate all of the other Trustees. If Susie and Erika run unopposed and bow to Jack's warped tyrannical thinking, well, I guess you people are going to be stuck with me awhile longer because the HOUSING MARKET SUCKS!
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http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/investigators-now-in-hunt-for-forger
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http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/investigators-now-in-hunt-for-forger - oh! i saw that movie with my grandson, when they pulled the string in the back of the Cold Case Posse in Maricopa County, Ariz. they said "there's a snake in my boot!"
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Jack Dolce - the Food Stamp BoE President
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@Lisa....LOL
SAY NO TO IBO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VebOTc-7shU#!
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Lisa,
While Jack Dolce is nickel and dime the SRPs, who are getting between $11-$18/hr with no benefits, his lawyer buddy is paid $300/hr by LV. What gives?
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LVHS 2011 AP/IB
AP - 221 exams, 191 students ($87 ea.) ………….......... $19,227
IB - 180 students IB registration fee ($145 ea.) ……….. $26,100
IB - 576 IB exams ($96 ea.) ……………………………$55,296
TOTAL IB/AP EXAM COST TO TAXPAYERS …….............. $100,623
Prior to 2009, parents, not the taxpayers, paid the IB/AP exam fees. The taxpayers have always been forced to pay the elitist IB “student registration fees”.
LVCSD BoE policy provides for a minimum of eight (8) students in an “advanced class” in order for it to run.
Yet, in 2011, LVHS ran the following 11 IB courses with less than 8 students:
IB HL Italian - 3 (students)
IB HL Spanish - 7
IB SL French - 5
IB HL French - 4
IB SL Visual Arts - 4
IB SL Theatre - 1
IB HL Theatre - 2
IB HL Film - 5
IB SL Music Group - 2
IB SL Music Solo - 5
IB Further Mathematics - 1
WHY IS BOARD CLASS-SIZE POLICY NOT BEING FOLLOWED WHEN IT COMES TO IB?
Only 41% of the students who sat AP exams earned a ‘3’ (pass) or better. Of the 83 students who were pressured to sit the AP U.S. History exam, only 20, or 24%, earned a ‘3’ or better.
Only 68% of all IB students earned a ‘4’ (pass) or better.
Not a single IB Diploma candidate scored an ‘A’ on their Extended Essay.
Sources:
AP Current Year Score Summary (2011) for Locust Valley Middle High School (updated Aug. 19, 2011)
International Baccalaureate School Statistics, May 2011, School 001511 Locust Valley High School
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Lisa,
Thank you for compiling this revealing information. Unfortunately, just the tax cap is not enough to stop those tax and spend maniacs on the board. They will play all kinds of tricks to borrow, to delay, or whatever creative yet legal ways to spend money even when the tax cap is met. At the end of the day, our children will have to pick up the bills.
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Anonymous,
You're very welcome, but I'm afraid you're wrong about something. Our children won't be picking up future LVCSD bills because they are unable to afford a home here. When the monthly tax bill exceeds the mortgage payment on a $300,000 house, the school district has effectively turned the housing market on its head and made it untenable for young families to CHOOSE to buy here.
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Lisa,
I am afraid I am right. Someone has to own the home. If no one buys your home, you and your children are stuck.
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Anonymous,
My children aren't stuck, unless both my husband and I are dead. I really, honest to God hope the housing market turns around before then. You're not planning to Breitbart me, are ya?
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Lisa,
Definitely not me. I will have nobody to talk to if you are gone. I am not so sure about some of the others in town. I heard a BOE has physically threatened people.
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http://www.citizens4freedom.com/Articles/tabid/1387/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/7042/Obamas-Secret-Database-on-Your-Child.aspx
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Star Teacher of the Years
Alan Stella $151,842 2011
Alan Stella $131,951 2010
Alan Stella $122,788 2009
The above numbers are before health and retirement benefits and stipents, which come to about another $50,000, for a nine months job. It is over $200,000 for a nine months teaching job with a 24% increase in base salary. Outrageous!
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Hi Lisa and Anonymous,
The posted Board Actions show Alan Stella gets 15 hours of IB Physics Studies Review assignment. Do you know how much he gets paid for that? He is also a Boys Tennis coach, how much? There is more, he is the Advisor of Engineering Club. What is that and how much extra pay is it? Isn't this supposedly all public information? Where in the budget is it?
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All I know is Mr. Stella hasn't been at LVHS all that long, my son had him as a Physics teacher his first year here .... STELLLLLAAAAAA!
Now, good news, two NY HS's have just dropped IB:
Pine Bush High School (Pine Bush, N.Y.)
Xaverian High School (Brooklyn, N.Y.)
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The posted review assignment is only for two months from April to June. I wonder if there are a lot more. Here is the "full" list:
IB Psychology SL 12 Hours John Canavan
IB History of The Americas II 6 Hours Robert Buonaspina + 6 Hours David Ethe
IB Math Studies 8 Hours Kristen Lee
IB Math SL 10 Hours Angela Manzo
IB Math HL 12 Hours Angela Manzo
IB Biology HL 18 Hours Veronica Ciampi + 18 Hours Donna Fredericks
IB Chemistry HL 18 Hours Chris Schmid
IB Environmental Studies 15 Hours Alyssa Wescott
IB Physics Studies 15 Hours Alan Stella
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What's the issue here?
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OMG, what difference a year makes. in the old lvcsd contract, the most a teacher can get with a master degree was $128,016. now, the new jack dolce and his buddy bsk lawyer negotiated new contact bumped the max up to $151,842. that is how alan stella gets so much more now.
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Anon,
It's been awhile, but if you FOIL Instructional Stipends, there's a separate breakout for those in the budget. This is the section where the district also buries Mr. B's IB Coordinator stipend (years ago it was $8,000, so it must be up over $10,000 by now), stipends for the IB CAS and IB EE Supervisors, Model UN Club adviser stipend, IB Leadership Club stipend ... etc. My guess is Mr. B's "gross" salary is upwards of $150,000 as well.
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Lisa,
Below is student ratings public posting on Mr. B. See what you get for $150K for yourself. Besides, it gives LV good rap for the world to see.
http://www.ratemyteachers.com/robert-buonaspina/293115-t
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VILLAGE MEETING TONIGHT AT 7;30 VILLAGE HALL VERY IMPORTANT MEETING TO ATTEND
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Men have two emotions: Hungry and Horny. If you see him without an erection, make him a sandwich.
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Teeth Whitening columbia must be an IB Psychology student. While the resident misogynists may find such a comment amusing, it should be noted that hungry and horny are physiological conditions, not emotions.
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Helloooo! Why is LVCSD discussing the "IB alignment" for grades 7-12?
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Ann_MacArthur_Documents/Jan_2012_Actions.pdf
He indicated that texts and instruction have been aligned in grades K-6 and 7-12, including
the IB Program, to meet the long-term CCSS goals which include literary analysis, persuasion, narrative
account and procedures and research skills. The “Reading Street” program in grades K-6 allows for a
pro-active and preventative approach and emphasizes the CCSS writing requirements. The IB alignment
in grades 7-12 emphasizes reading and writing master
If LVCSD thinks it is going to bring in the IB MYP .... I've got four words for you -
OVER MY DEAD BODY!
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Here's a run-down on the cost of the Reading Street program per teacher. You can do the math, I need more coffee.
Whatever happened to SLR? What was wrong with that? You mean to tell me at $130,000, these elementary teachers can't teach reading without this latest marketing device?
http://www.pearsonschool.com/index.cfm?locator=PSZu68&PMDBSUBCATEGORYID=&PMDBSITEID=2781&PMDBSUBSOLUTIONID=&PMDBSOLUTIONID=&PMDBSUBJECTAREAID=&PMDBCATEGORYID=&PMDbProgramID=30322
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This has to end. The school distric is out of control.
PLEASE SAVE OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR CHILDRENS FUTURE BY VOTING “NO” AT THE NEXT SCHOOL BUDGET ON MAY 15th. TELL THE TEACHERS AND THEIR UNION THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN ENOUGH MONEY TO RUN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND INSTEAD SHOULD LOOK AT THEIR OWN SALARIES BEFORE OUR WALLETS.
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year and did NOT take a raise last year. Our school’s Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and DID take a raise last year. Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries. Make sure you sitting down, you won’t believe your eyes.
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $71,752,390.00 and only 2165 students. That equals $33,141.00 for each student in the school system. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children’s expense.
• Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
• Teaching is a part-time job consisting of only 180 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. Yet they make more than an equivalent private sector job even before their pensions are taken into account.
• We are told that we must spend more money to get a quality education. The opposite was shown in the school documentary, “Waiting for Superman”. The quality of education has gone down as the cost of schooling our children has gone up. Regents’ exams and SAT’s are now graded on a curve because students no longer perform to the same level of those years ago.
• We are told that our school system is the best, but our teachers won’t let our students take a standardized test to prove it. The “myth” that they must teach to the test is nothing more than that, “a myth”. A properly educated student can take any test put before them. What are the teachers afraid the tests will show?
• The biggest lie is that "our schools are responsible for our property values". We live in one of the nicest places on the planet. The people who moved here, past and present did so because of the quality of life, not because of the schools. The school system is merely a reflection of the quality of the people that make up the community. The school system did NOT create our great community.
• Our children are being forced off Long Island because of the cost of housing and taxes. If school tax increases continue only teachers and police will be able to live on Long Island. This community was a better place 20-30 years ago when a family and a business could aff
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So, you are the culprit of the flyers? And you don't even have the courage to sign your own name your document. I guess I wouldn't either if all of the information I used was a gross distortion of the truth packed with hate and false information. I feel the need to ask what it is exactly you hope to accomplish by this hate-filled piece of garbage you are promoting? Did I mention that it's a gross distortion of any truth or reality that exists? I guess you will continue to lack credibility due to your lack of signature and falsified info.
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Please provide the sources of your info. And I don't mean your opinion.
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Our BOE Lead By Example:
Maria Segura
$121,397.69",2011
$115,125.17",2010
$108,278.56",2009
$103,034.91",2008
She gets 18% raise in three years. Who else gets that in this economy? BOE signed the new contract after the 2% cap went into law. It is not that they did not know that. Now, they want more money "for the sake of children".
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No one makes that kind of money in the private sector. A six figure salary is for Directors and VP's only.
The median income for a household in Locust Valley is $57,418, and the median income for a family was $70,592
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James Hunderfund is the pension King, collecting a maximum annual pension of $316,497. His wife Anna has learnt from the best. They are setting a bad example for the teachers. Look at the attitude "Anonymous" has achieved as a result of this. This individual feels lives off our taxes and has the nerve to question us whew we try and stop the money grab.
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Anon, I saw that documentary "WAITING FOR SUPERMAN". I was always a fan of the school. They did a great job with my kids, but I have to agree with the post. Higher pay seems to equal less education. It seem as the pay got higher it attracted the greedy ones and the real teachers stopped applying for the jobs.
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Ahhh, I forgot you are the only one who pays taxes. None of the teachers do. Who do you think you are? Clearly, Enough, Afford, whoever the coward you are who can't put his/her name to grossly distorted facts is a disgruntled person. Instead of solutions, you choose to attack hard-working people and point an accusing finger in a direction that certainly doesn't deserve it. You hold no credibility as you are unwilling to provide your name or your sources of information. You throw peoples' names around with no regard and won't even put your own out there. My attitude is much more positive than your own. I suggest you seek counseling for your anger issues.
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You do realize that starting salary is around $50,000 for a teacher who will be required BY THE STATE to have a Master's Degree (one lie told in Enough's post). Master's is not an option. It is part of the teacher certification process. Looking at a list of salaries tells you nothing about a teacher (how years they have worked, the clubs they supervise, where they asked to take on extra duties during the year, etc.) Many teachers making six figures have been teaching for over 20 years. When looking at administration, aren't they "directors"? Aren't they "VP's" in a school? Do you know that if LI was it's own state that we would be up in the top 5 of education for the country?
What about all of the unfunded mandates that the state dumps on the schools. Have any of you posting been to a board meeting? The new mandates for next year will cost the district over $2 million dollars.
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Dear HadEnough, I checked the statement, The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $71,752,390.00 and only 2165 students. That equals $33,141.00 for each student in the school system.
That seems to be a little off. It looks like enrollment went down, so they actually collect even more than that. What I don't understand is why we don't close the public schools down. It would be cheaper to send them to Friends Academy for around $25,000 a year. That is where my children go and it seems a better alternative. We have Rothmans cater their lunch plan with the money saved ;<
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Wow, according to enough a private school is only $8000 a year. I guess there's no Rothmans there. You fail to understand that the public school is responsible for EVERY child, not just the ones they "choose" to admit. This includes children with autism, down syndrome, emotional issues, etc. who may not attend a school within our district. Do you have any idea as to what it costs to send a disabled child to another school? (Hint: it's more the Friends Academy) and our district helps to fund their education.
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Anon, your losing this one. I know you work for the school district but so do I, and you are making us look bad. Locust Valley charges around $24,000. extra per student compared to St. Dom's. You can do the math, well have someone else do it for you I know you are not a math teacher and you will see that we are making hand over fist. So please let sleeping dogs lie. The more you post the better informed the public gets. Bottom line,you are gonna ruin it for all of us. I got 3 years until retirement and I don't need anyone messing it up.
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https://epiconline.org/ib/ -- Wonder if NY is one of the 4 states?
International Baccalaureate (I
Although the curriculum is standardized, IB has never had educational standards in support of this curriculum. This is problematic because the program of study did not have comparable standards language that could be aligned to state standards. Consequently, it was difficult for IB to describe to admissions officers at U.S. universities how the IB program of study prepares IB students for college success. This is an opportunity to make colleges, universities and the K-12 community aware of IB standards and expectations. It is hoped that this work will lead to further state- and province-level endorsement for IB schools and students.
The final report has been completed and delivered to IB. It includes the newly developed IB standards and the alignment with the Knowledge and Skills for University Success (KSUS) standards, a nationally recognized set of college-ready standards endorsed by the leading research universities. Results indicate that the IB program is nearly completely aligned with what colleges and universities expect of entry-level students. The information from this project will be shared with state-level Departments of Education and colleges and universities in the U.S., Canada, and beyond.
NEW PHASE: EPIC–in consultation with IB–is now using the new IB standards for additional alignment work with educational standards in four states and one Canadian province. As part of this new phase, EPIC is developing an online alignment tool that will allow IB to carry forward the work after this initial alignment with the states and province.
We already know that the IB HL History of the Americas course does not align with NYS HS graduation requirements for Social Studies. The problem lies with the fact that in State Departments of Education, there is no one who holds the position of what I would call a "curriculum cop". So NYS relies on the honor of the HS Principal and Superintendent who sign off on the HS Diplomas that the courses completed meet NYS Standards.
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I am new to this whole IB thing but it sounds like another scam to make its creators rich. Sounds like we could save a ton of money if we just got back to the basics. You know the stuff that created students smart enough to grow up and put a man on the moon. I don't think todays students even know what a moon is.
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Really Allen-Richard-Enough-Afford? Is that your best argument? Pretty weak. You clearly aren't familiar with citing your sources, so you can't be an English teacher. Maybe a little productive discourse would be best suited here but all you seem to want to do is fuel speculation and falsehoods. You haven't even responded in the over $2 million dollars in state costs that the district has to pay (oh, and you don't need to be a teacher to know that - attend a board meeting)
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I have been to the budget meetings and while I agree in principle that there is a problem with unfunded mandates from the State and Federal governments I have not seen any specific details from the Board of Ed on how they determined the three highlighted items would cost the district $2.1m. I assume thought it is never mentioned that these three items would also be offset by reductions in the way things are done today. For example I believe the new teacher evaluation program was to cost $850k, what does the district pay today to evaluate the teachers, presumably they are not doing it for no cost and will not duplicate the effort? The basic problem again missed at the 3/7 meeting was the starting point. Each year it should be from a zero increase and not the 2% (now 2.68%) cap. Why use the 2% or 2.68% as the starting point, this is why we have the escalating problem today?
With all that said can a budget increase defender please explain to everyone that isn't or is on the fence why it takes $25K+ to educate a child in this district and nearby private schools can do it for under $10K. All one has to do is look any one of these under $10K a year high schools to see that the same percentage or higher of those graduates go on to college and the students in these schools receive millions in scholarships. Clearly they are in the same academic league as the students in this district.
Now to proposing a solution.
The solution is to cut expenses and if that means some programs must go or class sizes must increase then that is what should be proposed by the Board. The community as a whole should presented with the options and then get to vote once not twice.
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Joe,
Good luck getting a answer!
Had enough,
Well said! The number of students you listed, is that for the distrct??? :-/
Lisa,
They better not be putting IB in the lower grades, with MY TAX money! You'll be seeing me on every news station that will take me!
IB is something if we pay for out of tax payer money then it should be VOTED on!
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Joe,
Private school teachers are non-union and are paid on a much lower scale. Therein lies the MAJOR difference in cost of educating a student in public school vs. private. Private schools like Friends Academy (with much higher tuition) limit its enrollment to 750 students and no more than 15 students per class.
Remember all of the double-talk last year about LVCSD wiping out its $1.5M Appropriated Fund Balance because of this year's 2% cap and everyone called me an idiot who didn't know what she was talking about?
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Agenda/budget.pdf
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LVCSD should put its monthly check registry ONLINE! This is a COST-FREE practice that many school districts around the country have put in place. It allows the public to see exactly how much is spent each month and on what, without having to file Freedom of Information requests. This district doesn't even conduct a public monthly Treasurer's Report at its BoE meetings!
Transparency, folks. LVCSD has NONE!
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And if Legal Services were $250,000 in 11-12, up almost 20% from 10-11, imagine what they are for 12-13 considering the Benstock debacle is still ongoing.
Of course you HAVE to imagine, because LVCSD refuses to reveal a line item budget to the public!
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Lisa, I like your facts unlike "Anon" opinions. It is blood suckers like her taking our tax money and thinking she is owed it.
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The BOE admitted they have money set aside that can clsoe any budget gap. But early in the year they threatened not having a kindergarten. I don't think there is a lower type of person in the world than one who would use your own childs well being to extort money from you.
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Lisa,
Fropped my kids off at school and saw all those posting I have missed since last night. I am glad you pointed out the leagal services cost. Somebody said "who cares" on this blog. Well, BSK charges LV $300+ an hour just for Jack Dolce to talk to his pal. As far as the Appropriated Fund Balance and the "Emergency" Reserves go, are we in an "Emergency"? I put the numbers reported together and they do not add up to the tax cap. The actual operating budget is about double the tax cap. I guess they are going to raid the Fund Balance and "Emergency" Reserves. One last point before I go, tax cap is a cap. The State does not mandate LV to squeeze taxpaypers to the last penny permitted by law. When the speed limit is 30, that is the maximum speed, not that you have to drive at least 30.
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Is there a way to private message one another on here? I know other blogs have that option.
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Glad to see some LVCSD residents waking up. I always try to base my "opinions" on facts and evidence of "past practice". Since LVCSD refused to renew Dr. Singe's contract, obfuscation and arrogance has ruled the day. Although Dr. Singe and I may have held different educational priorities and philosophy, Dr. Singe ALWAYS communicated with the public. He was receptive to input. He was truly a gentleman and a scholar. A Progressive scholar, but a scholar.
Remember all of the complaints about an excessive number of committees and reports? Remember the Facilities Committee and the Site Based Management Teams? Remember Board meetings that consisted of one Work Session and one Business Meeting? It is the middle of March. Why are the BoE Board Actions for February NOT posted to the website?
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Alex,
No. Who did you want to IM?
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I wanted to PM you.
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How much is Drivers Ed costing us annually? We should cut that and let the kids pay for it themselves or go to Glen Cove,
http://www2.glencove.k12.ny.us/Assets/District_Documents/drivered_info.pdf
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Alex,
LOL! Do you have Yahoo Messenger? e-mail me at info@truthaboutib.com and I'll give you my Yahoo ID.
And now, for some morning entertainment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ekIzGfJkBs&feature=share
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Paul,
Driver's Ed is placed on the ballot as a separate proposal. If the budget goes down, so does Driver's Ed.
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Good morning Lisa!
Glad to see you are waking the People!!
In the link you posted on the Budget, where would the IB fit into all of that " since" they don't list it as a seperate COST 0r item!
Thanks!
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Haveyouwalkedthroughthehalls,
IB is scattered throughout Instructional and buried all over the place. That reminds me, there was a $300-800,000 line item under Instructional (it varied from year to year) which was supposedly for use for the hiring or replacement of teachers mid-year. You folks might want to question how much is in there this year. I think it was called "Unappropriated salary", but it's been awhile, I'm not positive of the exact phrase.
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Lisa,
For once, you are wrong or outdated. Since last year, Driver's Ed is not a separate proposition. It is part of the budget. LV is the ONLY district that pays for Driver's Ed. In addition to the personnel cost, we also own, maintain, and insure two Driver's Ed cars. I have not seen any other schools that do that. Wonder how much it costs us to insure two Driver's Ed cars.
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Joe,
Thank you for pointing out that change. I was completely unaware of that fact. I could have sworn it was a separate vote last year .... all the more reason TO VOTE NO!
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So let me get this straight, since the worst recession ever began, LVCSD has decided that ALL of the taxpayers should shoulder the burden of IB/AP exam fees and Driver's Ed as part of the General Fund? AND Summer Rec?
Cut Summer Rec
Cut Driver's Ed
Cut IB/AP exam fees
Cut busing for those who live less than one mile from school.
Cut legal fees
Cut "slush funds"
Require greater staff contribution to health care
CUT "Winter Vacation"
CUT IB ALTOGETHER!
CUT CUT CUT!!!!!!!!!!!
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What is involved for running for the school board? Is it too late this year?
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John,
http://www.nyssba.org/index.php?category=leadership_dev&ref=RunningforBoard&src=gendocs
Procedures for filing petitions for vacancies on a school board vary depending upon the type of school district. Generally, candidates must submit a nominating petition to the school district clerk. The petition must be signed by at least 25 qualified district voters or two percent of the number of those who voted in the previous annual election, whichever number is greater. In small city school districts, nominating petitions must be signed by at least 100 qualified voters. The petition must include the candidate’s name and residence, the vacancy in question, the incumbent’s (if any) name, the residences of the persons who signed the petition and the length of the term of office for which the candidate is being nominated. This petition must be filed with the district clerk at least 30 days (20 days in small city districts) before the election meeting, between 9:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m.
State law requires all candidates for election to a board of education to file a sworn statement with the district clerk disclosing their campaign expenses. If expenditures made by the candidate or by others on the candidate’s behalf exceed $500, a statement also should be filed with the commissioner of education. Expenditures of not more than $25 may be made without the candidate’s permission if the donor or donors file a sworn statement with the clerk and the commissioner stating that the candidate did not approve the expenditure.
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Not sure I can commit the time to run this year. I would like to run against Jack Dolpe anyway. I attended a couple of budget meetings and he seems to be nothing more than a shill for the teachers union. I think he forgot that he represents the citizens.
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The following is circulating on LI now:
Dear Fellow Long Islander,
My name is Bonnie Buckley and I am writing on behalf of the many Long Islanders who have joined the Facebook page, Save Long Island Schools. We are a very concerned group of parents, educators, and taxpayers who want to see our children have the quality education that has been the standard here on Long Island. This is a link to that page. http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/329796000396554/ Unfortunately, as a result of the inequity of the Foundation Aid Formula, our tax dollars are leaving the Island and going to support the rest of the state. In 2012-13, Long Island schools will enroll approximately 17% of the students in the state and receive approximately 12% of state aid.
Governor Cuomo's Executive budget is dramatically and detrimentally impacting the quality of education our children receive on Long Island. The Executive Budget provides $4,440.00 per pupil to Long Island Schools. This is 30.8% below the rest of the state, which is funded at an average of $6,415. Yet, as a region we contribute the lion's share. We only desire what is fair. We believe that all children deserve a Long Island quality education, but the state should be raising them up, not lowering us.
We created this grassroots effort in order to band together as concerned Long Islanders, whose hard-earned tax dollars are funneled all over the state at the expense of our children. This is why we are having a Rally for Equity in Education Funding on Sunday, March 18 at the Duryea State Building in Hauppauge at noon! We are hoping that the over 5,000 members of the Save Long Island Schools Facebook page will attend our Rally to send a very loud message to our Governor. I have attached the flyer we created for this event.
I am writing to you in order to invite you to attend this rally and add your voice to our cause. Additionally, would you please distribute to your entire school district, your BOE, community groups and other parents in your community. We hope you consider joining us to send a message to the Governor that Long Island deserves its fair share, so that we can continue to produce a quality education for our children and lessen the tax burden of our citizens.
Sincerely,
Bonnie Buckley
Rally on Sunday, March 18th at noon.
NYS Offices 250 Veteran's Memorial Highway
Also join us on our Facebook page at facebook.com/groupsL329796000396544
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You forgot to add that all the union rats who rob our money will be there too. You don't think $33,000 a student is enough. You teachers have lost all ethics and will deserve what you get when the school system collapses. I know you teach in the Locust Valley school system but you should have to pay our ridiculous taxes as well. Now get back to work vermon. We are not paying you log onto blogs. We are OVER paying you to teach.
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John,
Both the union and the adminstration have confirmed that Jack Dolce' pal at BSK encouraged the union to run candidates to take control of the board so they can get their contract. Go ask them yourself. It is not rumor or heresay. It is verified fact.
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It looks like a pattern. I looked up Yvonne Stassi and ut appears she was a teacher and union member when she signed the last contract. Am I correct?
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It looks like a pattern. I looked up Yvonne Stassi and ut appears she was a teacher and union member when she signed the last contract. Am I correct?
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All this behind the scene stuff, NEEDS to be in the locust valley leader for all to SEE!!!
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Check out this website, let your reps know enough is enough.
http://www.nyleaders.org/
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
Only people who subscribe to the Leader at home will be able to read it because there is one person out there that buys all the copies when there is something not to his liking. My friend saw him doing that at Marty's Party.
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Lisa,
CUT CUT CUT!!!!!!!!!!!
You left out two big ticket items, PR firm and Continuing Ed. No one around us is doing Continuing Ed any more. It wastes electricity and heating.
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@joey
You have me ROFLOL
please tell me that you are kidding me!! Please???
A grown MAN? And a say man lightly!
Pleaseee we now stoop that low as to buying all the local papers?
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I wondered who was continuing their education?
If someone enrolls in the continue education ? (whatever) that is? Do they still pay for it also? How exactely does that work?????
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
Ummm, Joey's not kidding. Jack Dolce ran around buying up all of the newsstand copies of the Leader TWICE, once when the Leader endorsed me for school board and another time when the Leader recommended voting down the budget.
Run Jack, run! I hope someone DOES challenge Susie and Erika so Jack can get another workout .... LOL!
The PR firm was an absolute joke and I agree, cut Adult Ed. Very few people enroll in those. (although the cost of running the classes is self-sustaining, Joey makes a good point about extra heating, electricity and janitorial services).
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I plan on going to the budget hearing this Tuesday. How about a show of force, anyone else thinking of going?
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Tuesday - first day of Spring - as long as we don't have to witness Jack Dolce partaking in the rites of Beltane ..... maybe. Only if you'll act as my bodyguard, Alex. Ron Walsh could be in the audience, now.
Oh, I thought I would share a "real life" example of the IB PYP in action (even though it wasn't BoE approved) in an Ohio elementary school:
http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/stowmunroefallsohio.html
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Who is Ron Walsh? Is he some mindless school supporter?
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Alex,
Ohhhh ... you must be very new to town! Well, I won't speak ill of the unseated .... bwahahaha .... let's just say when he was BoE President and I attended meetings regularly, I always wore Kevlar.
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Alex,
I was at the second budget meeting last year when Jack Dolce said "where are all the NO votes?" forgetting there was a recond number of NO votes. Show up, speak up, and let him know what you think.
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I don't fear much at this point in my life and I can debate circles around anyone. One thing I have learnt though is to pick my battles and blend with the common folk if you want their support. Ignorant people are always threatened by those more inteligent than them. Meaning, if I stand up at the BOE meeting and put them in their place, then I get the label "trouble maker". The mob mentality takes hold and I would be vilified. I don't have a problem with that but I would like to run against jackie boy next year and I would like to come in as Mr. Friendly, Mr. neutral and have a fighting chance. Then I would vote against any and all spending above what is realy needed.
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Alex,
When you run for the BOE next year, you will need to beat John as well. it will be interesting to see how that will work. I understand he is also a masterful debater.
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I am new to the whole group. Who is John?
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He is the other self-important, pompous egotist who poste above that he would also run. I thought you two might know each other.
"Blend in with common folks.....Ignorant people." Really, what makes you so special?
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Michael I don't see John's post. How long ago did he say he wanted to run. Don't be intimidated by those that are trying to do something. Do you like our school district wasting money like it falls from the trees? Maybe you do, do you work for the district?
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Alex,
Oh, I'm not threatened by Mr. Walsh's alleged intelligence. His loaded service revolver perhaps, but definitely not his intelligence.
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I assume Mr. Walsh is a retired rent-a-cop or mall cop. Don't worry most of them can't shoot straight to save their life.
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Alex,
Nope. NCPD.
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Alex,
It is nice to see the blog now has a male counterpart to Lisa. A self-promoting self-important, pompous, arrogant egotist who looks down on the community. However, Alex you have a long way to go. Lisa started by denigrating community members but eventually grew to battering and pouncing on our children. It is interesting to see the relationship developing between you and Lisa.
Below are direct quotes from Alex and Lisa.
Alex's direct quote on community members:
"I can debate circles around anyone. One thing I have learnt though is to pick my battles and blend with the common folk. Ignorant people are always threatened by those more inteligent than them".
Lisa's direct quote about our children:
"Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control."
As the expression goes: "birds of a feather."
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Michael,
Personalities aside, tell me which cuts from the list below that you disagree and why:
Cut Summer Rec
Cut Driver's Ed
Cut IB/AP exam fees
Cut busing for those who live less than one mile from school.
Cut legal fees
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Cut PR firm
Cut Continuing Ed
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Michael,
It's so nice to see someone defending underage drinking, drugs and abortion! Good for you! What an admirable quality!
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The six people on this blog all have what they think are hidden agendas. The evidence of who and what the blog does is listed below. Lisa and Alex's comments stand on their own.
Michael wrote:
Alex,
It is nice to see the blog now has a male counterpart to Lisa. A self-promoting self-important, pompous, arrogant egotist who looks down on the community. However, Alex you have a long way to go. Lisa started by denigrating community members but eventually grew to battering and pouncing on our children. It is interesting to see the relationship developing between you and Lisa.
Below are direct quotes from Alex and Lisa.
Alex's direct quote on community members:
"I can debate circles around anyone. One thing I have learnt though is to pick my battles and blend with the common folk. Ignorant people are always threatened by those more inteligent than them".
Lisa's direct quote about our children:
"Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control."
As the expression goes: "birds of a feather."
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Michael,
I tried not to put you and Lisa in the same group but you two do have one thing in common, that is no answering question posted to you. I hope you prove I am wrong by answering my question.
>>Personalities aside, tell me which cuts from the list below that you disagree and why:
Cut Summer Rec
Cut Driver's Ed
Cut IB/AP exam fees
Cut busing for those who live less than one mile from school.
Cut legal fees
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Cut PR firm
Cut Continuing Ed
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Michael, I know you are upset because your vote for Obama didn't turn out how liked. But the only way to save the school district is to stop the out of control spending. The district needs to get back teaching and not running a country club. It isn't sustainable. Just because Barack keeps borrowing money like a junkie doesn't mean the taxpayers should also.
You remind of an old expression:
"I can fix my car, I can fix my washing machine, I can even fix my dog, but there's no fixin stupid people"
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Michael,
Why don't you include Lisa's entire quote. It shows how she places her children above our children. How obnoxious!
Lisa's other quote:
"LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?
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Anon, I know you feel hurt that you children speak that way,
"Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?
but you can get them extra help.
Now get back to work slacker, we are not paying your salary to use school computers for this.
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I am really getting frustrated when I can't get any answer from Michael. Now I would like to ask all of you whether you agree with the community members suggested cuts below and let all of us know why if you disagree. I put some numbers there as an educated guess. I don't know if I am off or not so don't shoot me on that. If you have better numbers, feel free to post. Quick math tells me that it is more than 1% of the budget that we can cut without any impact on our educational programs.
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Personalities aside, tell me which cuts from the list below that you disagree and why:
Cut Summer Rec ($100K)
Cut Driver's Ed ($200K including cars)
Cut IB/AP exam fees ($100K)
Cut busing for those who live less than one mile from school. ($100K)
Cut legal fees ($250K over and beyond the required fees)
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Cut PR firm ($200K including office space we provided at the central office)
Cut Continuing Ed ($100K including utilities and custodian)
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Joe, you are right on target with these cuts and they should be imposed. I'll raise my hand for cutting them at the next budget hearing.
I would make one exception to the bus rule. The bus should stop if you alive along the route and still livin with a mile of school.
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Alex,
Thank you for being the first to answer my question. Honestly, we are in a democracy (are we?) so we should be ale to disagree with each other. With that said, I would appreciate it for those that disagree, let the rest of us know why. I also would like to hear the same from individual board members on where they stand on each of these cuts. I am not interested in hearing the so called "united backroom deals" when dissenting board members opinion are muffled. I hope you agree with me.
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Joe, I am new to this. Do you mean that minutes are not published and a voting log is not kept and available to the public regarding the BOE actions?
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Alex,
I learned this from Lisa. Minutes are never published, voting logs are kept but also never published. One has to resort to FOIL (and pay copy fees) to obtain such information. Check with Lisa.
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Why would anyone be surprised the school board runs the same way the village of Bayville does. They both get away with it because the majority of people do not speak out or vote for that matter and the people on these boards take I'm action as that the population is happy with the job they are doing. It's time to wake up and get these budgets under control or we will all be paying even higher taxes than we already are.
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We need to get the word out. Forward this link to everyone you know in the school district. If they see the salaries paid out they will scream.
http://longisland.craigslist.org/pol/2905757037.html
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Taxpayer,
First of all, the number of Village employees compared to the number of LVCSD employees, is a tiny fraction. For 25 years, I've listened to the "we-hate-Vicki" thugs who maliciously maligned a good woman's integrity and commitment to our community. The Village and LVCSD are NOT run in the same, non-transparent manner - As you can see, Bayville has already posted its 2/27/12 Minutes online which includes the claims and warrants and how the Board voted: http://bayvilleny.gov/pdf/website-mins-feb-27.pdf
And, as you can see, Bayville's 2011-2012 budget came in just over $5,223,000 for ALL of its over 8,500 residents, compared to LVCSD's $72,000,000 for 2136 students.
http://bayvilleny.gov/pdf/general-fund.pdf
The lack of transparency exists with LVCSD. Put the check registry online! Step 1! Cut the fat! Eliminate the slush funds! Enough is enough!
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All that needs to be said about this blog is below. It is quite possible Alex and Lisa are the same, possibly others.
Below are direct quotes from Alex and Lisa.
Alex's direct quote on community members:
"I can debate circles around anyone. One thing I have learnt though is to pick my battles and blend with the common folk. Ignorant people are always threatened by those more inteligent than them".
Lisa's direct quote about our children:
LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?
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"Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control."
As the expression goes: "birds of a feather."
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Michael,
Can you do anything else than Copy & Paste? It seems like that's all you know.
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Michael you are losing focus. This blog is about fixing our school district before it fixes us. Did you see the salaries posted on this website? Why do 3 school employees make more than the governor of NY? My kids where forced to move off LI because they couldn't afford the taxes here.
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Here's the website
http://longisland.craigslist.org/pol/2905757037.html
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Alex,
Thank you for the link, it is not all that bad. My neighbor only makes $126,047.19 (her hunsband is on the Bayville Board).
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What nonsense Fox News had a feature last week pointing out that this year's graduates of Georgetown Law School will have starting salaries of $175k.
Any business person who is not producing enough in industry after ten years experience to justify at least a $125k salary would be fired.
Below are direct quotes from Alex and Lisa.
Alex's direct quote on community members:
"I can debate circles around anyone. One thing I have learnt though is to pick my battles and blend with the common folk. Ignorant people are always threatened by those more inteligent than them".
Lisa's direct quote about our children:
LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?
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"Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control."
As the expression goes: "birds of a feather."
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I am really amused by this blog. How come all of a sudden "Anon" and "Michael" posted almost the exact same Copy and Paste? Are you two the same guy or what? Here is the scare tactic, read the link below especially the part in RED:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/our_schools/driver_education_HS
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Hey Joey, they are not the same. Anon works for the school district. I know who the Anon is. Michael is just your run of the mill school zombie.
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year and did NOT take a raise last year. Our school's Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and DID take a pay increase last year. Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries. Make sure you sitting down, you won't believe your eyes.
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Just like the Anon/Joe/Richard/Enough/Spreadtheword who seems to like his flyer of half-truths and lies but still refuses to put a name on the same flyer he poste here and on his hysterical new Craigslist ad....too funny and pathetic.
Perhaps you haven't been attending the public budget hearings, but it seems as though from the last meeting they will be able to stay within their 2% tax cap levy number, which, in our case, is going to be about 2.6%. For those of you not in attendance, this is a number assigned by the state and will vary from district to district. I'm not opposed to cutting the IB fees, but the mile bus rule won't fly in Bayville. Do you have any idea how many cars will be flooding the Mountain Ave./Godfrey Cat Hollow area in the AM? And don't give me that BS about Europe and walking. Many roads don't have sidewalks. As for Summer Rec, hundreds of students have benefitted from it over the years. Looking at the budget as a whole, $100,000 is a drop in the bucket. I could understand if enrollment was down in the program but as far as I know it hasn't. As for Driver's Ed, it's been running for years. I see no reason to cancel it now. If I am right, there are some people posting on here whose children have benefitted from it. As for the RED part, it's not a scare tactic. It's called the truth. And people should be aware of what would happen should the district go on a contingency budget.
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Hey "Anon",
I think Alex does know who you are, a loyal union sympathiser. I was briefly at the last budget meeting. The numbers do not add up. The tax levy may be within the cap - as required by law, but the spending is way over the cap. Are we going to borrow, to raid reserve, or to reestablish the fund balance (debt as you told us last year)? We are not stupid. The problem is that you were telling us one thing one year and anther in another year. Last year you said we could not touch the reserve because those are designated funds for emergency and we had to wipe out the fund balance. What now?
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I read the information on that website and even spent my lunch on www.seethroughny.net to verify the super's salary. The other stuff is just commen sense. At $33,000 collected per student in taxes I think we could cut the budget and no one would even notice.
My child is in Drivers Ed now but it would still be cheaper to cancel it and send the kids other places to take it. I have no issue with paying out of pocket if I have to.
You know what they say,"Hire a teacher for an hour, pay for it the rest of your life". Well you know that, you will be collecting a pension from us.
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You talk alot BS,
Spreadtheword who seems to like his flyer of half-truths and lies but still refuses to put a name on the same flyer he poste here and on his hysterical new Craigslist ad....too funny and pathetic. "
That's funny but you don't use your real name. Yes, I know who you and we have met but you don't know who I am.
The people handing out the fliers are not anonymous. They were in front of Buckram Stables handing them out last Sunday. At they are doing something they believe in.
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Alex,
You are so right. Since everyone here is into direct quotes, I can't help but to quote this oxymoron:
"Anon wrote:
Just like the Anon/Joe/Richard/Enough/Spreadtheword who seems to like his flyer of half-truths and lies but still refuses to put a name on the same flyer he poste here and on his hysterical new Craigslist ad....too funny and pathetic."
So I guess this person's real name is "Anon". Real pathetic, don't even know what "Anon" means.
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It's short for "anonymous" but Anon couldn't spell the whole word.
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Anon,
See, yours is the mentality that has gotten us to where we are when $100,000 is "a drop in the bucket". So it's $100,000 here, and $100,000 there, and $100,000 everywhere and before you know it, it's $1,000,000 x 10 years is $10,000,000 and so on and so on!
"Do you have any idea how many cars will be flooding the Mountain Ave./Godfrey Cat Hollow area in the AM? And don't give me that BS about Europe and walking. Many roads don't have sidewalks."
I'm pretty sure Bayville, Mountain, Godfrey and Perry Avenues all have sidewalks. So that BS about not having sidewalks has absolutely no bearing because where there aren't sidewalks, the little darlings are still walking to the bus stop. Are you not listening to the First Lady? Your kids are FAT and they need to MOVE! And there are plenty of Mommies who currently drop kids off at the elementaries - let them form carpools. Why do you hate our planet Anon? Huh?
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Anon wrote:
What nonsense Fox News had a feature last week pointing out that this year's graduates of Georgetown Law School will have starting salaries of $175k.
Any business person who is not producing enough in industry after ten years experience to justify at least a $125k salary would be fired.
Below are direct quotes from Alex and Lisa.
Alex's direct quote on community members:
"I can debate circles around anyone. One thing I have learnt though is to pick my battles and blend with the common folk. Ignorant people are always threatened by those more inteligent than them".
Lisa's direct quote about our children:
LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?
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"Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control."
As the expression goes: "birds of a feather."
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In Shakespeare, (if anyone remembers their Romeo and Juliet), Juliet responded to her nurse's call, "Anon, good nurse!", which in Old English, meant, "I'm coming!"
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Anon wrote:
Any business person who is not producing enough in industry after ten years experience to justify at least a $125k salary would be fired.
Except teachers, they can't be fired. Look at their poster child Benstock. The pride of locust valley.
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Lisa,
Can you find one other school district in Nassau that owns two Driver's Ed cars? I will tell you what I heard. This line item is a BOE sacred cow. The only way to get it off our back is to vote the budget down TWICE this year.
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How much is spent each year on IB?
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I think we should get rid of driver ed. Let each family spend a few hours teaching their teenagers to drive. Why should that be a district expense?
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I am on fixed income and I think the school district should live the same way. It's time to vote No!!
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JoTina,
Make sure you plan on voting NO twice. They always passed it on the second go around.
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I am puzzled why LV is operating the most expensive Driving School around. Students can take an online course to get a Leaner's Permit these days for about $20. There are so many of them. Most students in Nassau County pay between $500 to $600 for Driver's Ed through driving schools contracted by school districts. Our per student cost at LV is $1,000, twice the cost of the professional commercial operations.
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Joe,
Considering Mr. B's base salary is $130,000 and I doubt he teaches more than one or two classes, when you include the 80,000 we spend on IB student registration/exam fees, the annual $10,400 membership fee, the approx. $6,000 in mailing costs, ongoing IB teacher training (approx. $25,000 annually), Model UN Club, IB Leadership Club, stipends for an EE and CAS supervisor, substitute salaries, IB conferences, IB materials, IB Consultants ..... easily $300,000+ each year.
In contrast, the College Board does NOT mandate an AP Coordinator position, does NOT mandate staff development, does NOT charge a student registration fee and actually PAYS THE DISTRICT a stipend for the teacher who organizes the AP exams.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/17/education/budget-cuts-threaten-access-to-college-placement-tests.html?_r=1
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Can someone please direct me to the actual date of the Board Action when the BoE voted to include Driver's Ed in the General Fund?
I can tell you one thing. I searched before, and I'm not about to search again, but I could never locate a vote on when the BoE decided to roll the IB/AP exam fees into the budget.
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Lisa,
It was in the second budget last year.
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Where was Driver’s Ed before it was in the General Fund?
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And will it make a difference if it is in General Fund, or a different place?
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@Joey:
Thanks for the driver ed. link. What do you mean about the scare tactic?
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It is cheaper we send our students to Oyster Bay for Driver's Ed. They charge $455 per student.
http://emdsonline.net/Documents/Oyster%20Bay%20SP12%20Reg.pdf
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Thank you. For others interested, here is the transcript:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_Actions/June_2011_Actions.pdf
Board Actions: June 2011
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Special Public Board Meeting: June 7, 2011
Discussed: 2011-2012 Locust Valley Central School District Budget
Dr. Anna Hunderfund presented an overview of the following Budget Re-Vote Goals:
No impact to educational programs
A budget not to exceed 2.9% increase with consideration given to keeping the tax levies below
5.81% and the appropriated fund balance at or below $600,000, preferably at $0
Include the following programs in the budget: Driver Education, Continuing Education and
Summer Recreation
Dr. Hunderfund reviewed the reductions taken if the budget is set at 2.7% and explained the impact of a
contingency budget and the mandated exclusions involved if the proposed budget is not passed. She
concluded with an outline of the 2011-2012 Proposed Budget to be put before the voters of the District on
June 21, 2011.
Adopted: Resolution to adopt the 2011-2012 School District Budget in the amount of $73,776,262, representing a
budget increase of 2.70% for submission to the District voters at the Special District meeting on June 21,
2011
*Note the absence of a vote count.
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Anon,
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_Actions/May_2011.pdf
Board Actions: May 2011
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Proposition No. 2: Driver Education 2011-12: $101,524
Yes 1,267
No 1,168
Proposition No. 2 was rejected because Proposition No. 1 was not approved.
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http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/our_schools/ib_fees
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@Joe
Cut Summer Rec ($100K)
Cut Driver's Ed ($200K including cars)
Cut IB/AP exam fees ($100K)
Cut busing for those who live less than one mile from school. ($100K)
Cut legal fees ($250K over and beyond the required fees)
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Cut PR firm ($200K including office space we provided at the central office)
Cut Continuing Ed ($100K including utilities and custodian)
ADD: CUT IB $300K
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If this community voted NO many years ago when this "vote NO" wave started we would NOT be in this mess today
Everyone just laughed and ridiculed those that had the foresight to know what was coming down the pike.
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Anonymous,
Your Cuts add up to $1.15 million or 1.5% of the budget. Watch out for the accounting gimmick telling us it will be below the cap for TAX but the budget is going to be higher. We are smarter than that. Give us an honest budget that is in line with the tax cap.
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Joe,
It is unfortunate that LVCSD appears to be relying on its past fearmongering tactics in order to pass its budget. It has worked for the past 30 years, so why won't it work again? The problem is, IT WILL!
Anyone who advocates for transparency, accountability and accurate statistics is immediately declared "the enemy". You will be accused of attacking and hating children and if you have children in they system, THEY will be the victims of LVCSD retribution.
Let me be clear. LVCSD is NOT the only public school district in the country that operates this way. There are many. And it is very sad and many communities are divided. Private school enrollment and homeschooling numbers are skyrocketing, despite the economy being in the tank. And Board Trustee elections are nasty and dirty.
It is the power of the unions and "the collective" over the fight for individual liberty and American exceptionalism. Once you have identified the REAL source of the division, you need to decide which side really stands "for the children" and the future.
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The NY Times warned about this issue over 7 years ago.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/15/nyregion/15liteach.html?pagewanted=all
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Lisa,
You are right on the money. It used to be the public is represented by the board and the union is represented by their president. Although the law is in the union's favor, this system has worked to some degree. Now it is different. When you don't give them what they want, they just run you over. Well, the public still has one trump card, that is the budget votes. If the board reads the writings on the wall, the budget may pass this time again but they don't. They want to sue the State, they want to campaign for 60% override, and when it all fails, they want to play accounting gimmick. God bless America.
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@Joe
Those are your tax cuts
I just added to cut IB
About 7 years ago parents in this community encouraged the community to vote NO. They knew what was coming down the pike. The PTA mommies laughed and worked with the school district to push for programs this district could not keep up with. Now a group is posting red flyers around town to vote NO!!! I am glad someone is finally waking up.
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Just came back from a walk!
I see we are trying to get the news out by means other then the leader!!
It was surprised to find out that hunderfund took a raise last yr?
WOW!
It's been a REAL EYE opener seeing those salaries!
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
What are you complaining about? At least Hunderfund is putting in an honest day of work everyday. You want a real eye opener? How about someone sitting at home and collecting six figures PLUS life time health insureance? Here is for you to see:
Richard Hirt 2010 $215,076
Anthony Singe 2010 $169,537
Richard Shear 2010 $124,550
Bill Wilson 2010 $112,442
These are the one collecting more than $100,000 a year in public pension. If you want to see the full list, go to See Through New York. It is all there.
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Don't forget Benstock sitting home on our dime
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What is Anna's relationship to the pension King James Hunderfund of long island? Spouse?
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Alex,
Yes, hubby and wife. I call them the Million Dollar Duo.
Btw, James Hunderfund was the one who brought IB into Commack, but when Anna came here, she claimed "I don't really know very much about IB". Now Commack has the MYP, too!
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I see she learns from the worst. Yes we need to get the word out. Did you guys see this Craigslist posting
http://longisland.craigslist.org/pol/2905757037.html
Craigslist allows you to email it others and I have been doing just that. Please do the same and ask your freinds to do the same.
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No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!
- Ronald Reagan
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In case anyone new comes on this blog, highly doubtful as the same six people have been posting for three years we call Lisa and Alex the:
"The Sleaze Ball Duo
Why?
Well in their own words this is what they think of themselves and others, including the children in our district. So you can judge the credibility of anything they post
Lisa's direct quote about our children:
LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?
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"Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control."
Alex's direct quote on community members:
"I can debate circles around anyone. One thing I have learnt though is to pick my battles and blend with the common folk. Ignorant people are always threatened by those more inteligent than them".
As the expression goes: "birds of a feather."
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Michael wrote:
In case anyone new comes on this blog, highly doubtful as the same six people have been posting for three years we call Lisa and Alex the:
"The Sleaze Ball Duo"
Why?
Well in their own words this is what they think of themselves and others, including the children in our district. So you can judge the credibility of anything they post
Lisa's direct quote about our children:
LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?
"Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control."
Alex's direct quote on community members:
"I can debate circles around anyone. One thing I have learnt though is to pick my battles and blend with the common folk. Ignorant people are always threatened by those more inteligent than them".
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Michael,
*yawn*
What is your obsession with those particular quotes? Neither Alex nor myself named any names. Yet you feel the need to personally attack us.
Obviously you cannot debate the issues or come up with an original thought. Stop wasting the Bayville Blog's bandwith with your paranoia.
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It really is totally hopeless, you know. The Progressive Statists have complete control of the media, the government schools, the non-profits and every election is fixed. Your vote doesn't count for squat. The internationalist unions and the UN are taking over our country and the vast majority of you sit back and say, "Oh, that's a conspiracy theory!" Not only is it not a conspiracy theory, you dipwads have WELCOMED the UN into our schools and are forcing all of us to pay for it!! This is unacceptable!
Look at what is happening in Texas. Now this is current events, folks. Pay attention. Texas passes a photo ID requirement to be able to vote, and Eric Holster decided it is illegal because it's "discriminatory". The NAACP also flies to Geneva, Switzerland, to meet with the UNHRC and the UNHRC has the AUDACITY to stick its nose into Texas voting laws?? When members of the UNHRC don't allow women to vote or stone them to death for adultery, Texas, U.S.A. needs a Human Rights lecture from the UN?
But LVCSD is making sure our students are prepared to participate in this corrupt organization .... yessiree:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_Actions/June_2011_Actions.pdf
Model UN High School Team - Social Studies Chairperson, Mr. David Ethe recognized Model
UN Advisor, Ms. Katharine Murawski and the following students for their participation at the
High School Model UN conference in Washington, D.C.
o Verbal Commendation Award: Sami Limperis Kaufman, Peter Trinder, and Sandy
Mallory
o Germany: UN Security Council, Honorable Mention: Sanjay Singh
The Model UN Middle School Team competed in the National New York City Tournament and
won five awards. There were a total of 30 students in grade 8 who attended this conference/
competition. The entire Middle School team won 5 “Honorable Mention” (HM) awards for 5
different committees. These are considered 2nd place awards. Faculty Advisors, Mr. David Ethe,
Ms. Kathleen Reilly, and Ms. Barbara La Bella recognized the following students:
o Argentina: Human Rights Council, HM: Justin Davis, Tazim Merchant
o Argentina: General Assembly, HM: Connor Torossian, Niko Martinovic
o Chad: UNESCO, HM: Zak Marcone, Kathy Benatti
o Benin: UNEP, HM: Thomas Ruhl, Katie LaMere
o Serbia: WHO, HM: Charles Stacey, Rameez Ahmad (not present)
The above is not an "attack" on students. It is an item listed in LVCSD Board Actions. I just want you to see with your own eyes the extent to which the UN has infiltrated LVCSD.
Are you comfortable with your children being indoctrinated with these "values"? If you are, there's nothing I can say to change your mind.
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Lisa asks,
"What is your obsession with those particular quotes? Neither Alex nor myself named any names".
No, you just defame and malign, per your quote, 1/2 the children in out school system and Alex paints himself as an intellectual and sharp witted above the "common folk and ignorant people" in the community. The quotes goes to your lack of credibility and absence of character. Readers of he blog need to know this.
Lisa's direct quote about our children:
LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?
"Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control."
Alex's direct quote on community members:
"I can debate circles around anyone. One thing I have learnt though is to pick my battles and blend with the common folk. Ignorant people are always threatened by those more inteligent than them".
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I really get a Good laugh whenever i come here!! In a good way of course! And LISA, i LOVE how you always back up your information with facts!
ANON,
I have my kids in the schools, rememer?
And 1 with an IEP. I have had the misfortune of having a child placed in a class with a teacher with a salary with those figures!
And for a CHILD WITH AN IEP the LVSD failed her and so did that teacher!
So NOT all the teachers in THIS school deserve to be here!
NO, some of you need to come off your horses!
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Today's Newsday.com headline:
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/districts-pay-union-heads-who-don-t-teach-1.3609410
Gabrielle E. Harrington $137,083
Does anyone know how much the union reimburse LV for her salary?
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Michael, I am flattered that you actually read and understand my quote. Usually people with your diminished brain capacity don't understand what I wrote. You are a representation of the union cretins out there.
I know you understand how dim you are, but like I said you should not feel threatened. My end result is to help everyone, even the helpless like yourself.
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PLEASE SAVE OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR CHILDRENS FUTURE BY VOTING "NO" AT THE NEXT SCHOOL BUDGET ON MAY 15th. TELL THE TEACHERS AND THEIR UNION THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN ENOUGH MONEY TO RUN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND INSTEAD SHOULD LOOK AT THEIR OWN SALARIES BEFORE OUR WALLETS.
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year and did NOT take a raise last year. Our school's Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and DID take a pay increase last year. Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries. Make sure you sitting down, you won't believe your eyes.
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $71,752,390.00 and only 2165 students. That equals $33,141.00 for each student in the school system. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life's savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children's expense.
• Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
• Teaching is a part-time job consisting of only 180 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. Yet they make more than an equivalent private sector job even before their pensions are taken into account.
• We are told that we must spend more money to get a quality education. The opposite was shown in the school documentary, "Waiting for Superman". The quality of education has gone down as the cost of schooling our children has gone up. Regents' exams and SAT's are now graded on a curve because students no longer perform to the same level of those years ago.
• We are told that our school system is the best, but our teachers won't let our students take a standardized test to prove it. The "myth" that they must teach to the test is nothing more than that, "a myth". A properly educated student can take any test put before them. What are the teachers afraid the tests will show?
• The biggest lie is that "our schools are responsible for our property values". We live in one of the nicest places on the planet. The people who moved here, past and present did so because of the quality of life, not because of the schools. The school system is merely a reflection of the quality of the people that make up the community. The school system did NOT create our great community.
• Our children are being forced off Long Island because of the cost of housing and taxes. If school tax increases continue only teachers and police will be able to live on Long Island. This community was a better place 20-30 years ago when a family and a business could afford to live here.
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Thank goodness we common folk have Alex to look after us. I mean the modern incarnation of David Reisman imbedded with the wisdom of Lionel Trilling. Not to mention his humility and strength of character -- a replica of St. Francis.
Alex's direct quote on community members:
"I can debate circles around anyone. One thing I have learnt though is to pick my battles and blend with the common folk. Ignorant people are always threatened by those more inteligent than them".
I am flattered that you actually read and understand my quote. Usually people with your diminished brain capacity don't understand what I wrote. You are a representation of the union cretins out there.
"I know you understand how dim you are, but like I said you should not feel threatened. My end result is to help everyone, even the helpless like yourself'.
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Lisa and Richard,
The budget numbers in your posts are not consistent. Lisa has $73,776,262 and Richard has $71,752,390. Who is correct?
Lisa,
Ms. Kathleen Reilly, and Ms. Barbara La Bella recognized the following students:
o Argentina: Human Rights Council, HM: Justin Davis, Tazim Merchant
o Argentina: General Assembly, HM: Connor Torossian, Niko Martinovic
I think this is in honor of Maria Segura, who is very involved with Agentina affairs.
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Anonymous,
Well, my number comes directly from the Board Actions for 2011-12:
Adopted: Resolution to adopt the 2011-2012 School District Budget in the amount of $73,776,262, representing a
budget increase of 2.70% for submission to the District voters at the Special District meeting on June 21,
2011
Which makes me tend to believe that the 2012-2013 budget will be somewhere in the $75M range.
... which gives us a figure of $34,642 in spending per student.
Ridiculous!
And let me say once again, I think it is unconscionable that we are paying to run both a MS and HS Model UN club when the U.S. has cut funding to UNESCO for its recognition of the PLO as a "sovereign nation". They are terrorists. LVCSD is not only supporting terrorism, they are forcing we the taxpayers to support an organization that does not recognize OUR sovereignty and Constitution.
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Michael, Richard wrote:
PLEASE SAVE OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR CHILDRENS FUTURE BY VOTING "NO" AT THE NEXT SCHOOL BUDGET ON MAY 15th. TELL THE TEACHERS AND THEIR UNION THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN ENOUGH MONEY TO RUN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND INSTEAD SHOULD LOOK AT THEIR OWN SALARIES BEFORE OUR WALLETS.
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year and did NOT take a raise last year. Our school's Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and DID take a pay increase last year. Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries. Make sure you sitting down, you won't believe your eyes.
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $71,752,390.00 and only 2165 students. That equals $33,141.00 for each student in the school system. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life's savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children's expense.
• Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
• Teaching is a part-time job consisting of only 180 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. Yet they make more than an equivalent private sector job even before their pensions are taken into account.
• We are told that we must spend more money to get a quality education. The opposite was shown in the school documentary, "Waiting for Superman". The quality of education has gone down as the cost of schooling our children has gone up. Regents' exams and SAT's are now graded on a curve because students no longer perform to the same level of those years ago.
• We are told that our school system is the best, but our teachers won't let our students take a standardized test to prove it. The "myth" that they must teach to the test is nothing more than that, "a myth". A properly educated student can take any test put before them. What are the teachers afraid the tests will show?
• The biggest lie is that "our schools are responsible for our property values". We live in one of the nicest places on the planet. The people who moved here, past and present did so because of the quality of life, not because of the schools. The school system is merely a reflection of the quality of the people that make up the community. The school system did NOT create our great community.
• Our children are being forced off Long Island because of the cost of housing and taxes. If school tax increases continue only teachers and police will be able to live on Long Island. This community was a better place 20-30 years ago when a family and a business could afford to live here.
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Michael, St.Dominics charges $8,400 per student. The public schools should be costing much less. Why don't you open up your wallet and pay extra money into the school system if you are such a supporter of it. You are a typical liberal phoney. Put your money where you mouth is.
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Ha!! His money? Michael gets his pay from the school district. He doesn't pay taxes, he would just be returning his ill-gotten gains.
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I just took a look at LVCSD's Budget Q & A and I am APPALLED, appalled I tell you, at the gross misinformation being paid for with our taxdollars:
Q. Why will spending and taxes increase with the proposed budget?
A. In 2012-13, school spending and taxes are increasing largely due to the new and existing unfunded state mandates which are legally required. The most dramatic increases for the 2012-2013 school year are due to the new unfunded mandates, including the imposition of the Common Core curriculum (a new curriculum for grades K-12)....
Excuse me?? Common Core CURRICULUM???? LIE, LIE, LIE!!!!! The Common Core STANDARDS are NOT a CURRICULUM!!!! If our almost $300,000 a year Superintendent is too ignorant to know the difference between STANDARDS and a CURRICULUM, her contract should be terminated IMMEDIATELY!
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http://www.corestandards.org/the-standards
There is NO SUCH THING as a NATIONAL CURRICULUM! (there was in Nazi Germany, but not here in the U.S.A.) There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution governing public education. Control of public education CURRICULUM resides with the local Board of Education and the State. (10th Amendment)
Maybe if LVCSD's administration wasn't so enamored with the UN, it would understand the difference between "standards" and a curriculum.
An example of a standardized CURRICULUM is E.D. Hirsch Jr.'s Core Knowledge:
http://www.coreknowledge.org/
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Btw, LVCSD's insane obsession with Jay Mathews' Best High School List is embarrassing. I called Jay out on his "27,000" high school figure BECAUSE IT IS INCORRECT and LVCSD keeps using Jay's vapid list to tout its alleged "excellence". I niggled Jay enough to cause him to write a column on it because I came up with a number much closer to 23,000:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/class-struggle/post/how-many-high-schools-are-there/2011/07/06/gIQAaaN10H_blog.html
Facts MATTER. Truth MATTERS!
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Ah yes, here is my comment following the above article:
lisamc31
7/8/2011 11:12 AM EDT
Didn't I provide you with stats from the NCES on public and private schools in the U.S.? Do you consider that an unreliable source? Wasn't the public school count in the 16,000 range and the number of private schools around 10,000 and change which brought us close to your original incorrect 27,000 figure that you used as a basis for your claim of "top 2%" of schools in the nation"? Hmmmm?
I see my recollection of 23,000 above was incorrect. The number of PUBLIC high schools is in the 16,000 range. That is SIGNIFICANTLY different than Jay's and LVCSD's claim of 27,000.
http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=55
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Alex,
I apologize for the rapid sequence of posts above. I shouldn't be shocked. Nothing should shock me as to LVCSD's Progressive propaganda, distasteful tactics and fearmongering. I guess they thought I would have moved by now. Or else, they are just so bold, obnoxious and arrogant as to think all of the parents and voters in LVCSD are just SOOOOOO STUPID, that they won't notice their blatant lies.
Really, SHAME ON YOU LVCSD! Having read this load of manure on the LVCSD website, I must now encourage all voters to vote NO, not once VOTE NO TWICE and force LVCSD to work with a 0% increase!
VOTE NO TWICE!
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Now, I don't know about you folks, but I consider an almost $40,000 increase in salary in three (3) years a "raise". Don't you?
Q. Does the Superintendent of Schools get an annual raise?
A. Superintendent Dr. Anna Hunderfund has not received a raise since she was hired four years ago.
You see, LVCSD, you shouldn't lie to the people. You are setting a very poor example for our young people. You also shouldn't lie to someone who has a website on which to post the TRUTH:
http://truthaboutib.com/images/831_Hunderfund.jpg
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Yes Queen Anna Hunderfund is a true lier. She said at the last meeting that she did not take a raise last year. Yes, I guess a 3% cost of living increase is not a raise. Just Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman.
You can see her pay increases at www.seethroughny.net. One year she got a $30,000 annual increase. hail to the Queen
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There are only 3 people posting here: Lisa, Michael and the other guy with the multiple personality disorder trying to make it look like more than one person. Pathetic.
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Paul,
Keep in mind that our senior citizens have not received a Cost of Living increase in their Social Security checks for the past three years under the Obama regime, the same senior citizens who are being forced to pay Queen Hunderfund's salary.
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seethrough.net is not a reliable source as Newsday has found out. It often mixes salary and compensation amounts. Dr. Hunderfund has not received any increase since she has been here. This is verifiable since her contract is a matter of public record. I foiled it after the BOE made this claim at the February meeting. You should do the same.
Go ahead Lisa you like to foil, get to the source.
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Uh oh. Anon is getting worried. The people are learning the Truth.
**Attempt to minimize the size of and discredit the opposition! ~Saul Alinsky
Silly person. If you have nothing factual to add to the thread, please save yourself from carpal tunnel syndrome.
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Michael,
Seethrough.net is not a reliable source, but Newsday is? LOLOLOL! That's very funny. Newsday is about as "accurate" as the Washington Post and equally biased.
And just because you FOILed Hunderfund's contract doesn't mean that the Board didn't approve subsequent increases.
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Oh, how silly! Yes, the Q&A should have said, "Common Core Standard," as it did in Mandate Madness. However, everyone knows when Standards change the curriculum needs to changes as well and does.
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Anonymous,
First of all, NYS did not have to adopt the Common Core Standards but did so only to try and make a grab for the Race to the Bottom money. NYS STANDARDS as they exist meet or exceed the Common Core. Of course, LVHS doesn't even follow those when it comes to Economics, so claiming the Common Core is going to drive up our taxes to comply is a total strawman argument.
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NYS choose to grab "Race to the Top" money and now all schools are required to adopt the Common Core Standard which requires a different curriculum. Whether it is better or worse does not matter, although most educators say it will not raise performance.
One standard may require detailed knowledge of the American Revolution, the second may only skim it and instead require detailed knowledge of the New Deal, hence requiring a change in curriculum and emphasis. In most cases new standards are so fundamental new text books are required, and the alignment of standardized tests totally change.
You really know very little about education, you just think you do.
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Lisa,
Please help me out. I surfed all over but have not found another school district on Long Island or in New York State talking about the new unfunded mandate. Is this a Locust Valley only mandate? I also found the North Shore budget proposal. They plan on staying under 2% tax cap with a 1.85% budget to budget increase. How can they do it even in the face of lost tax revenues from Keyspan?
http://www.northshore.k12.ny.us/budget2012/BudgetPresentationJanuary2012.ppt
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My sister lives in Hewlett Woodmere. She passed me this link. Their tax cap is 1.91%, proposed budget to budget is 2.83%.
http://www.hewlett-woodmere.net/1478101189537903/lib/1478101189537903/March_11_BUDGET_DEVELOPMENT_final_version.pdf
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What a bunch of half truths, misrepresentations and out and out lies. My reply in CAPS below.
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year.
YOU COMPARE THE GOVERNOR'S SALARY TO DR. HUNDERFUND'S TOTAL COMPENSATION TO MISLEAD THE READER. THE GOVERNOR'S COMPENSATION SHOULD INCLUDE ALL BENEFITS. HIS HEALTH CARE, PENSION AND STANDARD BENEFITS RAISE HIS COMPENSATION BY ABOUT 30% AND HE RECEIVES FREE HOUSING IN ALBANY WITH THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION AND AN ARPT. IN NYC. ADDITIONALLY HE HAS FULL TIME ACCESS TO TWO CHAUFFEUR LIMO'S, A HELICOPTER AND A SMALL PLANE AND ON AND ON. HIS TOTAL COMPENSATION IS WELL OVER $300K PROBABLY OVER $400K. did NOT take a raise last year.
Our school's Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and DID take a pay increase last year.
THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS NOT TAKEN ANY FORM OF COMPENSATION INCREASE SINCE SHE ARRIVE IN 2008. HER CONTRACT CAN BE FOILED AND VERIFIED. HER SALARY IS $255K
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $71,752,390.00 and only 2165 students. That equals $33,141.00 for each student in the school system.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE TRANSPORTATION AND BOOKS FOR ABOUT 800 PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENTS. INCLUDING THESE EXPENSES OBVIOUSLY DRIVES THE COST PER STUDENT DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE EXPENSE FOR CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES.
That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life's savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children's expense.
THIS IS A TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION. THE TWO NEAREST PRIVATE SCHOOLS LIST THE TUITION FOR THEIR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AT OVER $27K, AND THAT IS JUST THE BEGINNING. ALL FAMILIES ARE EXPECTED TO SUPPORT THE NUMEROUS FUND RAISERS. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE DONATION, ANNUITIES AND FOUNDATIONS CONTRIBUTE TO THE SCHOOL EXPENSES. CATHOLIC SCHOOLS RAISE MONEY THE SAME WAY. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE SCHOOLS DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR VERY EXPENSIVE UNPRODUCTIVE STATE MANDATES LIKE THE WICKS CONSTRUCTION LAW AND HUNDREDS OF OTHERS.
• Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
THIS IS A JOKE. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT AN ACTUARY OR ACCOUNTANT OR PENSION FUND MANAGER. A LARGE PERCENT OF PENSION FUND PAYMENTS COME FROM INVESTMENTS OVER THE YEARS. THE PRIVATE MARKET HAS SOME PENSION PLANS, BUT MAINLY 401K PLANS TO PAY RETIREES. IT ALSO HAS SOMETHING THE PUBLIC SECTOR DOES NOT PROFIT SHARING. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE PENSION SYSTEM FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES (AND I DON'T) YOU SHOULD ADDRESS YOU OUTRAGE TO ALBANY WHICH WROTE THE PENSION SYSTEM INTO THE STATE CONSTITUTION.
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-continued from above-
• Teaching is a part-time job consisting of only 180 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. Yet they make more than an equivalent private sector job even before their pensions are taken into account.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. EMPLOYEES WITH COMPARABLE EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE MAKE FAR MORE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. FOX NEWS REPORTED THE OTHER DAY THAT THIS YEAR'S GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL GRADUATES WILL START AT $175K. THIS YEAR'S MBA GRADUATES WILL ON AVERAGE START AT ABOUT $65K. GRADUATES OF IVY B SCHOOLS WILL START AT ABOUT $140K. IF AN EDUCATED PERSON IS PRIMARILY INTERESTED IN MAKING MONEY HE/SHE WILL NOT GO INTO EDUCATION. THEY WILL MAKE MORE IN OTHER PROFESSIONS OR BUSINESS. FACT!!!
• We are told that we must spend more money to get a quality education. The opposite was shown in the school documentary, "Waiting for Superman". The quality of education has gone down as the cost of schooling our children has gone up. Regents' exams and SAT's are now graded on a curve because students no longer perform to the same level of those years ago.
THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION HAS GONE DOWN, BUT NOT IN LOCUST VALLEY. LV NOW GRADUATES 99% OF ALL STUDENTS, FIRST ON LI. YOU CAN VERIFT THIS WITH NYS SCHOOL REPORT CARD. IT IS GRADUATES 78% OF STUDENTS WITH ADVANCED REGENTS DIPLOMAS, ONE OF TH HIGHEST PERCENTAGES ON LI. THERE ARE A DOZEN OF SO METRICS VERIFYING THIS.
• We are told that our school system is the best, but our teachers won't let our students take a standardized test to prove it.
WHAT CRAP. OUR STUDENTS HAVE BEEN TAKING MANDATED STANDARDIZED TESTS FOR YEARS AND HAVE DONE EXCEPTIONALLY WELL. AGAIN VERIFIABLE AT NYS REPORT CARD.
• The biggest lie is that "our schools are responsible for our property values". We live in one of the nicest places on the planet. The people who moved here, past and present did so because of the quality of life, not because of the schools. The school system is merely a reflection of the quality of the people that make up the community. The school system did NOT create our great community.
ANY REAL ESTATE BROKER, WITH THE POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF LISA WILL TELL YOU THE QUALITY OF A SCHOOL DISTRICT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR MOST POTENTIAL BUYERS.
• Our children are being forced off Long Island because of the cost of housing and taxes. If school tax increases continue only teachers and police will be able to live on Long Island. This community was a better place 20-30 years ago when a family and a business could afford to live here.
LI HAS ITS PROBLEMS BUT LI IS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE BEST IF NOT THE BEST REGION IN THE COUNTRY FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION.
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I am a real long time community member but needless to say "SourceOfTruth" is not my real name. I do not work for the school district as an employee or as a contractor, neither am I on the Board of Education. I have kid in the school. I do have a lot of opinions about our school and our community but I will keep it to myself. My posts here will be independent and impartial so you can take it or leave it. Here is the start.
Is See Through New York an accurate source of information - Yes, it is among the most accurate source of information although often it is not updated in a timely basis.
Did Anna Hunderfund get a raise in base salary - No, Anna Hunderfund did not get a raise in base salary since she came to Locust Valley.
Why does See Through New York show an increase in Anna Hunderfund compensation - New York State Law requires that every penny the School Superintendents receive be counted. It includes Health Insurance, unused sick days that are cashable and so on. So if the Health Insurace increased by $3,000 a year, even if there is nothing else changed, it will show an increase of $3,000.
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Is it true that if LI was its own state that we would be in the top 5 in the nation for education??? I
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Anonymous said:
"NYS choose to grab "Race to the Top" money and now all schools are required to adopt the Common Core Standard which requires a different curriculum."
This is simply BAD information and false. Tell me Anonymous, what "curriculum" does LVCSD currently use?
[crickets chirping]
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North Shore school district will have a tax levy increase of 1.9% but announced it will lay off 24 employees including 19 teachers. Educationally, this is disastrous. The layoffs will save over $2.5m but will result in increased class sizes and program cuts.
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See through ny shows compensation anddoes not include the monetary value of benefits likehealth insurance. I have confirmed the accuracy of the saleries shown with teachers who are friends of mine. Either way she got a $30K bump up a few years ago. Last year she receieved a cost of living increase, but to her that is not a raise. You know like Clinton not having sexual relations. Just oral sex.
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Anon,
"North Shore school district will have a tax levy increase of 1.9% but announced it will lay off 24 employees including 19 teachers. Educationally, this is disastrous. The layoffs will save over $2.5m but will result in increased class sizes and program cuts."
The local unions of many school districts on Long Island have chose to give back to keep jobs. The taxpaypers are up to the tilt. It is their union's call to save jobs. Remeber, if every teacher takes a $3 a day haircut, it will save 1% of the budget. Do you think they can afford $3 a day haircust?
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That is a UNION MYTH, larger classes DO NOT equal an inferior quality of education. It equals more work for todays bloodsuckers aka Teachers. The unions can save these teachers by agreeing to an across the board pay cut like in the real world. But the 6 figure whores would rather keep their pay than help their colleagues and the kids they supposedly care about teaching.
Save your Union newspeak for your teacher ilk and spare us the nonsense.
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Richard/Enough/Alex whoever you are that's uncalled for. Hey, Admin. can you please remove that vile comment? It's inflammatory, disrespectful and condescending comment? It's clearly not contributing to a positive, constructive debate and only designed to anger and stir up hatred. Richard must be off his meds.
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Anon, I am sorry. I forgot, you are one of the bllodsuckers that feed off our tax dollars and your colleagues. Would the adjective "leach" be more appropriate?
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SourceofTruth said:
"It includes Health Insurance, unused sick days that are cashable and so on."
SOT may be on to something there. As I recall (and the older I get, the worse my recall gets) Hunderfund was signed at $252,000 plus some 70 (that's right, SEVENTY) sick days + vacation days. Now I cannot state with any certainty whether those 70 sick days accrue ANNUALLY and can be rolled over, but if they can, whoo boy! Hunderfund could take off almost an entire year on the taxpayer's money!
Since a per diem sick day value was never budgeted for, it certainly is stretching the meaning of no raise to her "base salary".
70 sick days!
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Richard,
Yes, class size doesn't matter that is why the private schools you endorse always advertise their small class size.
I don't endorse unions but I research where the problems are created. The answer in NY is at the state. Pension plans are built into the state constitution. Why don't you attack the local politicians to get true pension reform and the abolishment of public unions. Now that might be a worthwhile objective. The answer, I suppose, is is too hard and you incapable and too lazy.
The issue is not at the local level.Unfunded mandates and centralization of decisions will destroy LI schools as they did California.
Your flyer is the product of lax, slothful work. Why not try and do quality research and put out facts instead of dribble. Anyone who doesn't even know LV students have been taking mandated standardized test in grades three through eight plus high school Regents for years and excelling in them is totally disconnected from our community.
The community will decide. If they believe that class size and programs don't matter they will vote accordingly and layoff teachers or as you call them "whores, "bloodsuckers" and leeches.
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Anon,
If LVHS would get rid of IB and stop running classes with 3 kids in IB and 30 in the Regents Level classes,we wouldn't have to lay off any teachers AND we could normalize the class sizes!
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North Shore and Hewlett have AP and are laying off 24 and 14. Why?
IB has nothing to do with Unfunded Mandates and uncontrolled pension expenses and a tax cap. Let's see how many teachers in non IB schools get excessed this year.
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Anon,
IB is an unfunded ELECTIVE and a poor choice for an overall CURRICULUM for a public HS.
LVHS would be wise to restructure the HS as follows:
Instead of having Regents with the Honors by Achievement option, keep the Regents track and have an Honors with an AP option! The Honors curriculum could mirror the AP curriculum, but perhaps slightly less in depth. The AP materials are all available for those who CHOOSE to take the AP exam at the end of the course. No IB student registration fees. More choice. Far less expensive. Guaranteed class sizes of at least 15.
What LVCSD is claiming as an "unfunded mandate", ie: a "Common Core Curriculum" is a completely bogus complaint! DISMISSED and DEBUNKED!
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I am sick of listening to "unfunded mandate" especially I cannot find it anywehere else on the Internet. What I am more interested are the items that our board can control, i.e. the UNMANDATED FUNDING, such as Driver's Ed., another Locust Valley ONLY item.
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Well said, Anon.It is nothing more than a Progressive whine to pack more money into the budget for "curriculum writing". Before Common Core, we budgeted $50,000 annually for "curriculum writing". Somebody check that line item - I bet they "nudged" it up to at least $100,000 or more.
Btw, E.D. Hirsch's Core Knowledge CURRICULUM aligns with the Common Core Standards. You know, if LVCSD simply adopted the Core Knowledge CURRICULUM, then students in LV elementary might actually be taught the same CURRICULUM as the kids in Bayville! Wouldn't THAT be novel? And the Core Knowledge CURRICULUM is FREE and online! OMG, imagine that!
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Please, educate yourselves. I'm begging you. Let's get back to BASICS, fiscal responsibility and common sense. All of this bickering over teacher salaries is giving me a headache. No one seems to care about the quality of the CONTENT of education being delivered to the children. Instead of buying into every "educational flavor of the week", what's wrong with the tried and true? There are many scholarly studies (including one from John Hopkins) that have demonstrated "significant improvement in academic achievement" among students who attended Core Knowledge schools!
http://www.corestandards.org/assets/k12_statements/StatementK12CoreKnowledge.pdf
http://www.coreknowledge.org/ccss
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What is debunked is claiming IB is the issue. Just ask North Shore and Hewlett and Islip all of whom announced massive layoffs. I assume these layoffs are the result of the unsuccessful AP program. Not to mention the uncontrolled pension expenses, new mandates and the tax cap.
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Anon,
I never said IB is the ONLY issue, but it is a SIZABLE issue. As the #1 IB Critic in the country, it is my area of "expertise" and therefore I can hammer home that particular $300,000 a year x 10 yrs = $3M "drop in the bucket". And you know what happens when one assumes......
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IB IS NOT A STATE MANDATE
#1 REMOVE IB
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Lisa,
Would you be so kind and review February's BOE minutes.
We need you valuable interpretation of them.
It looks like the school district is going full force IB.
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Richard,
You are a fraud and now everyone knows it.
What a bunch of half truths, misrepresentations and out and out lies. My reply in CAPS below.
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year.
YOU COMPARE THE GOVERNOR'S SALARY TO DR. HUNDERFUND'S TOTAL COMPENSATION TO MISLEAD THE READER. THE GOVERNOR'S COMPENSATION SHOULD INCLUDE ALL BENEFITS. HIS HEALTH CARE, PENSION AND STANDARD BENEFITS RAISE HIS COMPENSATION BY ABOUT 30% AND HE RECEIVES FREE HOUSING IN ALBANY WITH THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION AND AN ARPT. IN NYC. ADDITIONALLY HE HAS FULL TIME ACCESS TO TWO CHAUFFEUR LIMO'S, A HELICOPTER AND A SMALL PLANE AND ON AND ON. HIS TOTAL COMPENSATION IS WELL OVER $300K PROBABLY OVER $400K. did NOT take a raise last year.
Our school's Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and DID take a pay increase last year.
THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS NOT TAKEN ANY FORM OF COMPENSATION INCREASE SINCE SHE ARRIVE IN 2008. HER CONTRACT CAN BE FOILED AND VERIFIED. HER SALARY IS $255K
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $71,752,390.00 and only 2165 students. That equals $33,141.00 for each student in the school system.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE TRANSPORTATION AND BOOKS FOR ABOUT 800 PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENTS. INCLUDING THESE EXPENSES OBVIOUSLY DRIVES THE COST PER STUDENT DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE EXPENSE FOR CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES.
That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life's savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children's expense.
THIS IS A TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION. THE TWO NEAREST PRIVATE SCHOOLS LIST THE TUITION FOR THEIR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AT OVER $27K, AND THAT IS JUST THE BEGINNING. ALL FAMILIES ARE EXPECTED TO SUPPORT THE NUMEROUS FUND RAISERS. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE DONATION, ANNUITIES AND FOUNDATIONS CONTRIBUTE TO THE SCHOOL EXPENSES. CATHOLIC SCHOOLS RAISE MONEY THE SAME WAY. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE SCHOOLS DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR VERY EXPENSIVE UNPRODUCTIVE STATE MANDATES LIKE THE WICKS CONSTRUCTION LAW AND HUNDREDS OF OTHERS.
Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
THIS IS A JOKE. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT AN ACTUARY OR ACCOUNTANT OR PENSION FUND MANAGER. A LARGE PERCENT OF PENSION FUND PAYMENTS COME FROM INVESTMENTS OVER THE YEARS. THE PRIVATE MARKET HAS SOME PENSION PLANS, BUT MAINLY 401K PLANS TO PAY RETIREES. IT ALSO HAS SOMETHING THE PUBLIC SECTOR DOES NOT PROFIT SHARING. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE PENSION SYSTEM FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES (AND I DON'T) YOU SHOULD ADDRESS YOU OUTRAGE TO ALBANY WHICH WROTE THE PENSION SYSTEM INTO THE STATE CONSTITUTION.
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• Teaching is a part-time job consisting of only 180 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. Yet they make more than an equivalent private sector job even before their pensions are taken into account.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. EMPLOYEES WITH COMPARABLE EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE MAKE FAR MORE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. FOX NEWS REPORTED THE OTHER DAY THAT THIS YEAR'S GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL GRADUATES WILL START AT $175K. THIS YEAR'S MBA GRADUATES WILL ON AVERAGE START AT ABOUT $65K. GRADUATES OF IVY B SCHOOLS WILL START AT ABOUT $140K. IF AN EDUCATED PERSON IS PRIMARILY INTERESTED IN MAKING MONEY HE/SHE WILL NOT GO INTO EDUCATION. THEY WILL MAKE MORE IN OTHER PROFESSIONS OR BUSINESS. FACT!!!
• We are told that we must spend more money to get a quality education. The opposite was shown in the school documentary, "Waiting for Superman". The quality of education has gone down as the cost of schooling our children has gone up. Regents' exams and SAT's are now graded on a curve because students no longer perform to the same level of those years ago.
THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION HAS GONE DOWN, BUT NOT IN LOCUST VALLEY. LV NOW GRADUATES 99% OF ALL STUDENTS, FIRST ON LI. YOU CAN VERIFT THIS WITH NYS SCHOOL REPORT CARD. IT IS GRADUATES 78% OF STUDENTS WITH ADVANCED REGENTS DIPLOMAS, ONE OF TH HIGHEST PERCENTAGES ON LI. THERE ARE A DOZEN OF SO METRICS VERIFYING THIS.
• We are told that our school system is the best, but our teachers won't let our students take a standardized test to prove it.
WHAT CRAP. OUR STUDENTS HAVE BEEN TAKING MANDATED STANDARDIZED TESTS FOR YEARS AND HAVE DONE EXCEPTIONALLY WELL. AGAIN VERIFIABLE AT NYS REPORT CARD.
• The biggest lie is that "our schools are responsible for our property values". We live in one of the nicest places on the planet. The people who moved here, past and present did so because of the quality of life, not because of the schools. The school system is merely a reflection of the quality of the people that make up the community. The school system did NOT create our great community.
ANY REAL ESTATE BROKER, WITH THE POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF LISA WILL TELL YOU THE QUALITY OF A SCHOOL DISTRICT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR MOST POTENTIAL BUYERS.
• Our children are being forced off Long Island because of the cost of housing and taxes. If school tax increases continue only teachers and police will be able to live on Long Island. This community was a better place 20-30 years ago when a family and a business could afford to live here.
LI HAS ITS PROBLEMS BUT LI IS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE BEST IF NOT THE BEST REGION IN THE COUNTRY FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION.
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Richie H,
The February Board Actions are NOT online. If you would be so kind as to transcribe the section you are referring to, I will be happy to interpret.
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/board_of_education/board_actions
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Allow me to go on record in strong opposition to the IB PYP (Primary Years Programme - Pre-K thru Grade 5)) and the IB MYP (Middle Years Programme Grades 6-10)
These two "programmes" are NOT curriculum. The MYP and PYP are nothing but "belief and value themes" which must be integrated and overlaid upon the State requirements.
Each IB Programme requires a .5 IB Coordinator. Each IB Programme will MANDATE every teacher, librarian and Principal receive IB Training. EACH IB SITE will pay an annual membership fee.
Please e-mail me those minutes if someone has them. April 1st is IBO's "deadline" for filing.
LVCSD may "tell" you that the Common Core STANDARDS actually incorporated some of IB's STANDARDS. From what I understand, this statement has been relayed in Ohio to parents fighting the IB PYP.
If LVCSD thinks it is going to dupe the parents and taxpayers into slapping an IB label on the entire district and saying, "Lookie! We complied with the Common Core Standards!" ...........
PLEASE do not disappoint me and be so STUPID as to buy that line!
There are absolutely NO scholarly reports which demonstrate that the IB PYP and MYP improve student academic achievement compared to non-IB students. None, nada, zip.
I am offering you a positive alternative that you MUST force LVCSD to consider for K-8 - CORE KNOWLEDGE.
Please. For the next generation. Please.
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"HE RECEIVES FREE HOUSING IN ALBANY WITH THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION AND AN ARPT. IN NYC. ADDITIONALLY HE HAS FULL TIME ACCESS TO TWO CHAUFFEUR LIMO'S, A HELICOPTER AND A SMALL PLANE AND ON AND ON"
So THAT's what you wanted the Brookville School for - a Superintendent's mansion!
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Anon, you lost the argument when you tried to compare a JD from Georgetwon with a BA from anywhere. Are you serious? Now I know you are a teacher, union mouthpiece but I can also add idiot to the adjectives to describe you. What are you doing watch FOX news? Do you want to get kicked out of the teachers union if they find out or are you trying to watch the bloodsucking teachers in Wisconsin riot so you can get some pointers?
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Anon,
"ANY REAL ESTATE BROKER, WITH THE POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF LISA WILL TELL YOU THE QUALITY OF A SCHOOL DISTRICT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR MOST POTENTIAL BUYERS."
Oh, perfect time for such an inane comment. There just happen to be 3 homes for sale on Wood Acres in Brookville. The two in LVCSD are listed for 1.79M and the one in the Jericho SD is listed at $2.2
It wood seem that even after 8 years of IB, Jericho still commands an extra $500,000 over LVCSD for comparable homes ON THE SAME BLOCK!
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Lisa,
Richard has no idea what he is talking about. Is merely referencing your comments from the January meeting.
Remember he said in his flyer that LV teachers are afraid to have students take standardized tests when they have have been taking them for years. He wouldn't know the difference between the IBDP and APPR. He is an empty mud slinger who lacks facts and now credibility.
With allies like him however, you may get to ride in the Governor's plane or at least spend a night in his mansion.
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If it was actually possible to eliminate a school district all together you would have a WAITING LIST of buyers. Those who don't have kids school age and those with school age kids who want to use private schools. You wouldn't be keep people away from that commonity.
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Well, the math is $400k not 500 but see Richard,
you pal Lisa is documenting for you that "our schools are responsible for our property values" In her example, the school district is responsible for an additional $400k for houses on the same street.
Now what could be more clear, and you called this " the big lie." I wish someone read this blog so they would see what nonsense you spout, although the flyer by itself demonstrates this.
Thanks Lisa.
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Richard,
I just read your last blog. Where did you go to school? My goodness, perhaps Lisa can help you write a coherent sentence.
Keep in mind "altogether" not "all together" means completely. As for your last sentence that is too hard for me but Lisa should be able to help.
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You wouldn't be keep able to keep people away from that community.
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Richard,
"I know you are a teacher"
Are you sure about that? I think "Anon" is a current BOE.
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Anon,
You are correct, the difference in these asking prices is $400,000. I used Wood Acres as an example as it is one of the few streets in Brookville where homes are split between Jericho and LVCSD. Over the years, there has been a rather consistent differential of $500,000 MORE for a home on the Jericho side of the line.Weren't we told that IB would increase our property values and that ALL of the top schools on Long Island were "clamoring" for IB? Jericho rejected IB years ago, as did Wheatley. In fact, Dr. Feeney ran away from LVHS fairly quickly to the Wheatley schools and they haven't gone IB, now have they? The combined wealth in Jericho and Wheatley exceeds LVCSD by a long shot, yet both of those school systems have stayed the course with AP. Now why do you think that is?
I know there was great hope for LVCSD when we hired Hunderfund from Jericho. I actually had great hope for LVCSD when we hired Judy Marino. Judy was a brilliant woman and was instrumental in getting Howard Zinn's book, "A People's History of the United States" removed from LVHS. Ironically, Hunderfund has eliminated the position she held in Jericho, here in LVCSD.
All of this talk about needing "a new curriculum" to meet the Common Core Standards is most perplexing to me. Who do you think is going to write this curriculum, if LVCSD doesn't go with one already in existence? Hunderfund? Jack Dolce? Who is going to make sure it is implemented consistently across the district? Do we have Deans of Curriculum? Do we have ANYONE who actually bothers to see if what is being taught correlates with NYS standards, let alone Common Core? The answer is, no, we do not. In fact, NYS doesn't even employ anyone who could be characterized as a "curriculum cop". When the time comes to hand out HS Diplomas, NYS accepts the 'word' of the HS Principal and Superintendent that the courses offered meet the NYS standards. I know this for a fact because years ago, I challenged LVHS to demonstrate that the IB HL History of the Americas course met NYS standards for Economics. You see, when LVHS brought IB into the school in 2004, no one bothered to "align" IB course material with NYS, despite the fact that there was $50,000 budgeted every year for "curriculum writing".
Nobody checks. Nobody cares. It's all a bunch of BS as a way for .gov and its .gov employees to bilk the taxpayers out of mo' money, while the children wade through an inconsistent mess of a curriculum.
How many years did I hear, "Well how come they get to do THAT in Locust Valley but not in Bayville?" How many years did I hear about "curriculum mapping"? But when I asked to SEE the actual curriculum map, I was told it was a "living, breathing document". Is that so?
If you want to make LVCSD a "better" district and get more "bang for your buck", there are three simple solutions:
1. Adopt Core Knowledge for Grades K-8
2. Bring back Honors courses with an AP option
3. Increase the class size min. to 12 and reduce
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sorry, got cut off ...
3. Increase minimum class size to 12 and reduce the class size maximum to 24.
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What is a Reserve Fund? Is it like a Savings Account that the District can spend when revenues come in short?
Here is a list of Reserve Fund permittedonfor the designated purpose that it was created for. It generally requires voter approval to put money in, take money out, or transfer money from one to another.
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/mgtserv/accounting/docs/reserve_funds.pdf
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*What is a Reserve Fund? Is it like a Savings Account that the District can spend when revenues come in short?
Here is a list of Reserve Fund permitted and the designated purpose each was created for. It generally requires voter approval to put money in, take money out, or transfer money from one to another.
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/mgtserv/accounting/docs/reserve_funds.pdf
*Does See Through New York include benefits in compensation?
See Through New York gets its information from required official filings from each school district or municipality. In accordance with NYS Law in budget line item reporting, the compensation for all Superintendents includes all benefits and payments; the compensation for all teachers does not include benefits. To compare apples with apples, one should add health and other benefits to the listed teachers' compensation, which come to approximately $25K per teacher regardless of base salary.
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
Can money sits in a Reserve Fund forever?
Here is a comprehensive list of the life of each Fund and other details.
http://sap.questar.org/publications/Reserve_Funds_Chart.pdf
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Hi SoT,
The Guidestar chart you linked to is an excellent source which clearly delineates what these reserves which are NOT included in the General Fund entail.
For example, in 2011, voters approved the expenditure of the following two Reserves:
Proposition No. 3: Expenditure of Capital Reserve Fund: $1,105,700
Yes 1,510
No 893
Proposition No. 3 was, therefore, accepted.
Proposition No. 4: Repair Reserve Fund
Yes 1,216
No 97
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
*Can money sit in a Reserve Fund forever?
Here is a comprehensive list of the life of each Fund and other details.
http://sap.questar.org/publications/Reserve_Funds_Chart.pdf
*Are Board meetings open to the public? Are Board work sessions and planning meetings open to the public? Are Board committees and subcommittees meetings open to the public?
The answers to all of the above is Yes even when a meeing is held for the purpose of informal discussions only with no formal vote or action taken. Below are two useful relevant links:
New York State Open Meeting Law
http://www.dos.state.ny.us/coog/openmeetlaw.html">http://www.dos.state.ny.us/coog/openmeetlaw.html
http://www.dos.state.ny.us/coog/
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http://usliberals.about.com/b/2010/02/11/race-to-the-top-mandates-radical-education-reform-agenda.htm
Information about Race to the Top mandates is all over the internet. All one needs to do is google it. TEXAS REFUSES SINCE IT ESTIMATED IT WOULD COST $3 BILLION.
In NY the three mandates must be implemented by each district. The biggest cost is APPR but aligning curriculum with the Common Core Standards and federal regulated remediation is also very costly.
A detailed explanation of the cost ($2.1m) to implement RTTT in LV was given at the last Budget workshop meeting by Dr. McGuire and Tom Hogan. A handout with this explanation and breakout was given out.
And no I am not a teacher or a BOE member, but think what you want, only a concerned community member who attends most board meetings and is willing to do honest research.
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
*Can money sit in a Reserve Fund forever?
Here is a comprehensive list of the life of each Fund and other details.
http://sap.questar.org/publications/Reserve_Funds_Chart.pdf
*Are Board meetings open to the public? Are Board work sessions and planning meetings open to the public? Are Board committees and subcommittees meetings open to the public?
The answers to all of the above is Yes even when a meeing is held for the purpose of informal discussions only with no formal vote or action taken. Below are two useful relevant links:
New York State Open Meeting Law
http://www.dos.state.ny.us/coog/openmeetlaw.html">http://www.dos.state.ny.us/coog/openmeetlaw.html
http://www.dos.state.ny.us/coog/
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SourceOfTruth wrote:
- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
Somehow the blog keeps messing up my two NYS Open Meetings Law links. Try one more time, the two links only:
New York State Open Meeting Law
http://www.dos.state.ny.us/coog/openmeetlaw.html">http://www.dos.state.ny.us/coog/openmeetlaw.html
http://www.dos.state.ny.us/coog/
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
The NYS Open Meetings Law links are still messed up by the blog. Try one link at a time this time.
New York State Open Meeting Law
http://www.dos.state.ny.us/coog/openmeetlaw.html
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
One link works. Here is the other link about NYS Open Meetings Law:
New York State Open Meeting Law
http://www.dos.state.ny.us/coog/
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http://usliberals.about.com/b/2010/02/11/race-to-the-top-mandates-radical-education-reform-agenda.htm
Information about Race to the Top mandates is all over the internet. All one needs to do is google it. TEXAS REFUSES SINCE IT ESTIMATED IT WOULD COST $3 BILLION.
In NY the three mandates must be implemented by each district. The biggest cost is APPR but aligning curriculum with the Common Core Standards and federal regulated remediation is also very costly.
A detailed explanation of the cost ($2.1m) to implement RTTT in LV was given at the last Budget workshop meeting by Dr. McGuire and Tom Hogan. A handout with this explanation and breakout was given out.
And no I am not a teacher or a BOE member, but think what you want, only a concerned community member who attends most board meetings and is willing to do honest research.
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Perhaps someone can tell me how many LVCSD students are using Castle Learning Online and whether this is paid for by the parents or the taxpayers?
http://castlesoftware.com/home/pricing.html
SoT,
Are you implying that my research is NOT honest?
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Anon,
"North Shore school district will have a tax levy increase of 1.9% but announced it will lay off 24 employees including 19 teachers. Educationally, this is disastrous. The layoffs will save over $2.5m but will result in increased class sizes and program cuts."
Really? Manhasset posted their budget to budget increase of 1.73% in line with their tax cap. We don't hear them cry baby. Are we the only ones that are smart or stupid?
http://www.manhasset.k12.ny.us/files/filesystem/12-13 Preliminary%20Working Budget, March%2010, 2012.pdf
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
*Is there a maxiimum time limit for a public body to make the meeting minutes available to the general public?
Yes, the maxiimum time limit permitted by law is two weeks.
http://www.dos.state.ny.us/coog/openmeetlaw.html#s106
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WOW, I called the district directly as I didn't want to be mistaken. It seems they have an extensive AP but NO IB PROGRAM. It seems the budget problems have more to do with the tax cap, which seems to vary from 1.6% to 3.5% ,as best I can tell, depending on exemptions, and on increased mandates andpension expense.
Bedford school plan: Cut 57 jobs, raise tax rate 8.5%
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Woops! Looks like I called the wrong the school district. Locust Valley does have one, here is the link
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/our_schools/ib_frequently_asked_questions
My mistake, I missed a pill this morning.
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http://www.newsday.com/long-island/education/rally-for-li-schools-share-of-state-funds-1.3610337
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http://www.newsday.com/long-island/education/rally-for-li-schools-share-of-state-funds-1.3610337
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Locust Valley has too much money, they just don't know how to budget properly. If you can't teach a kid on $33K a year while St. Dominicks does it for $8K you have a problem.
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
*What is the penalty when someone violates the Open Meetings Law? Are School Board members covered by the liability insurance?
There are reported cases that the first offense fine is $1,000 per occurrence per person and the second offense fine $2,000 per occurrence. It should be noted that the fine is on individual Board members and administrators and not on the Board or District. Since the fine is due to a violation of the law, it is not covered by the Board liability insurance. In addition, the public entity is prohibited by law to reimburse individual Board members for such fine.
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This is BS Red Herring.
Note LV wasn't reported to be at the rally. I guess you are happy sending substantially more of your tax dollars to Albany than you receive back. Talk about wasted taxes. Why should we support upstate NY and NYC?
St. Dominick's is supported by donors and alumni. one such donor gave tens of millions of dollars last year. In addition they have constant fund raisers.They also do not support the substantial needs of disabled children, need to adhere to expensive state and federal mandates as do public schools and transportation and books for their students are paid by the LV budget.
Both Friend Academy and Portledge charge over $27k per year per high school student and have the same support from alumni and donors, in addition to a foundation, and their students also receive transportation and books from the LV budget.
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You stated, "private schools do not need to adhere to expensive state and federal mandates as do public schools" Well maybe that is because they educate their students properly. If Locust Valley wasn't such a teacher dump and actually had a valid curriculum the state would not have to mandate the obvious.
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Conflict of Interests:
On November 15, 2011, the BOE voted to grant firefighters tax exemption. Two BOE either personally or have immediate family members in FD did not recuse themselves on the vote. One BOE in particular received a 12% property tax exemption as a result and is not only paying $3,696.58 in School Tax a year.
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Here is the number of NO votes and %:
2009 989 42.28%
2010 1268 45.83%
2011 1312 52.40%
The trend is pretty clear. We may even get 60% NO votes this year. Will that spare us of the second vote expenses?
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SoT,
Do you have a particular bone of contention regarding LVCSD's BoE meetings and compliance with the Open Meeting Law? I assure you, they comply to the very letter of the law and do the absolute minimum to meet compliance.
The same goes for LVCSD's FOIL response. Unless you are in LVCSD's pocket willing to blow smoke up everyone else's skirt, LVCSD will "acknowledge" a FOIL within 5 business days. They will then take the full 20 business days from the date of its acknowledgement before producing the requested information.
In many cases, the requested document could simply be attached as a file to an e-mail and sent out the same day. But that would be COOPERATIVE and TRANSPARENT. Instead, LVCSD chooses to antagonize and aggravate inquirers by forcing them to wait almost a month for the information. This is a very unfriendly and poor attitude.
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
*Do you have a particular bone of contention regarding LVCSD's BoE meetings and compliance with the Open Meeting Law?
The Open Meetings Law require that all Board meetings, including committees and subcommittees be posted and public. In my search for information available to the general surfing public, I have yet come across any meeting notice or minutes for any committee or subcommittee meetings. Please note, this is not an opinion. It simply states what search has not been able to find.
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Wake_Up_Idiot wrote:
You stated, "private schools do not need to adhere to expensive state and federal mandates as do public schools" Well maybe that is because they educate their students properly. If Locust Valley wasn't such a teacher dump and actually had a valid curriculum the state would not have to mandate the obvious.
To Wake_ Up_Idiot,
The state requires BY LAW EVERY PUBLIC SCHOOL in the state, regardless of their academic achievements or financial soundness, to adhere to hundreds of unnecessary mandates. Last year LV had a 99% graduation rate the highest on LI. Source NYS Report Card.
Private school regardless of their success or lack of have no requirements. They essentially have no oversight.
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You should NOT have to search for this information. It should all be posted on a link for the school website.
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
*Do you have a particular bone of contention regarding LVCSD's BoE meetings and compliance with the Open Meeting Law?
The Open Meetings Law requires that all Board meetings, including committees and subcommittees be posted and public. In my search for information available to the general surfing public, I have yet come across any meeting notice or minutes for any committee or subcommittee meetings. Please note, this is not an opinion. It simply states what search has not been able to find any.
Board of Education has publically acknowledged that they have committee worked on and tweaked the budget. When the public sees the proposed draft budget, it is not the first time the Board of Education and its committee and subcommittee see and discussed the draft budget. According to the Open Meetings Law, all work sessions and planning session of the Board and any committee or subcommittee should be posted ahead of time and open to the public.
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SoT,
I believe you are referring to the following passage:
"2. "Public body" means any entity, for which a quorum is required in order to conduct public business and which consists of two or more members, performing a governmental function for the state or for an agency or department thereof, or for a public corporation as defined in section sixty-six of the general construction law, or committee or subcommittee or other similar body of such public body."
The ONLY committee that I believe LVCSD is obliged under law to post the meeting minutes for, are the Site Based Teams. These minutes are also supposed to be available at the local library:
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/part100/pages/10011.html
Here is an example of how a normal, transparent, compliant district shares its SBMT minutes with the parents and taxpayers:
http://www.manhasset.k12.ny.us/shelter.cfm?subpage=15238
So if you want to go after LVCSD for not complying with NYSED Shared Decision Making requirements, you have my blessing.
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SoT,
The key phrase with regards to the Open Meeting Law and LVCSD's so called "budget committee" is the phrase:
"for which a quorum is required in order to conduct public business"
The BoE will claim that any budget committee work was strictly ad hoc and therefore no quorum was required.
Of course, that IS strictly my opinion and I am not an education attorney, so consult with a professional.
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I have never seen a moreless statistic than number of kids going to school or number receiving diplomas. Show me how the kids at Locust Valley score on teh SAT's and Regents exams against other schools. Every statistic needs a baseline.
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Paul,
LVCSD stopped reporting the 'mean' SAT scores of its students when IB was introduced.
You can locate the State standardized exam scores HERE:
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
*Is the Site Based Team the only committee in the school district?
No, BOE has many committees. At the beginning of every BOE meeting, there is a section for BOE committee report. If you have been to BOE meetings, you must have seen it.
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If I am looking at the data correctly we are just about even with the State averages.Nothing steller considering the $30K per student we spend.
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2009-10/AOR-2010-280503060000.pdf
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SoT,
Oh sure, the Communications Committee, the Policy Committee .... BUT ..... the Law states:
"for which a quorum is required in order to conduct public business and which consists of two or more members..."
You can try and split hairs with these folks, but good luck with that. They will claim that there are no more than two and they don't need a quorum to meet. Just sayin .....
Of course, I happen to be a strong believer of "if you don't have anything to hide, why are you hiding?" but you're just a stupid member of the public who probably has an axe to grind and who will misinterpret what is said anyway so they can keep you out. [heavy sarcasm intended, I'm sure you're not SoT)
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
*Can the public videotape or webcast Board meetings?
Pursuant to Chapter 43 of the Laws of 2010 and the Open Meetings Law, as of April 1, 2011, the public has the right to videotape and / or webcast public Board meetings as long as it does not interfere with the proceeding of the meeting.
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
SourceOfTruth has no intention other than the three purposes stated above. Un trying to keep our public entities honest, I am not implying that they are not. On this blog, rumors abound. I just want to do my share to keep us all together and be sensible. Time will tell.
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
NYS Law
Public Meeting Broadcast Permits any meeting of a public body to be recorded, broadcast, Webcast, and photographed so long as the person recording the meeting complies with reasonable rules to prevent the disruption of such a meeting. (A.10093 / S.3195-B; Chapter 43)
http://assembly.state.ny.us/Press/2010SigLeg/
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SoT,
Gotcha.
However, I can't help but expand on your most recent accurate and factual posts referencing videotaping of public meetings. We just went through this out in Ohio. I say we, because I have become very good friends with some of the ladies in that community. Well, anyway, Stow is very much like LVCSD and the district was NOT transparent on its website. So I encouraged "citizen journalists" to take their cameras and upload the meetings to You Tube. There was quite the to do! But after the district balked and squawked and started having a policeman at the meetings, Donny was allowed to film as long as it was "gavel to gavel" which he agreed to. And then ...... lo and behold ..... guess what happened? After monitoring a Facebook Page where parents talked about school stuff, the district started filming its own BoE meetings and is now posting them to its website!
Well goollllllee! How much have we spent on audio-visual equipment for this school? Couldn't those IB film students be earning CAS credit by filming the BoE meetings?
It's the You Tube Millenium. So where are the LVCSD citizen reporters?
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Does anyone know if Locust Valley is part of this probe?
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/education/probe-looks-at-state-and-test-fraud-cases-1.3612612
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Todd,
I doubt it. Most of the kids busted for the SAT fraud were from Great Neck and a Hebrew private school.
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I think you are making it up just to start trouble. Stop making empty accusations. Provide the minutes that show the vote. Otherwise stop the nonsense.
Anonymous wrote:
Conflict of Interests:
On November 15, 2011, the BOE voted to grant firefighters tax exemption. Two BOE either personally or have immediate family members in FD did not recuse themselves on the vote. One BOE in particular received a 12% property tax exemption as a result and is not only paying $3,696.58 in School Tax a year.
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Billy,
No one is making it up. Here is the link of posted Board Actions for November 15, 2011. The District does not post the minutes but you can FOIL the records. Go to Page 5 and look at the fifth Resolution, which is a total reversal of a previous resolution five months ago.
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_Actions/Actions_11-11.pdf
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What nonsense!!!!
This does NOT tell us how members voted, the minutes do. Provide the minutes which show the votes. If you make serious accusations PROVE IT.
The Minutes will tell us exactly how each Board member voted. The truth is since you haven't accessed the minutes you don't know how these Board members voted on this action, but you accuse them. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
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Billy,
You are either an Administrator or a Board member, or maybe the Board President. Otherwise, how would you know if anyone has accessed the minutes or not? One does not have to access the minutes to know it. People attended the Board meeting know it too. You just PROVED the public's long suspicion that the Board is posting here using all kinds of alias. YOU ARE THE PROOF!
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Stop the nonsense. Who cares who I am. Whether I am an administrator, a member of the Board, the Board President, a teacher or an informed community member has nothing to do with your groundless accusations.
I know you did not access the minutes or you would have posted them instead of the board actions. Duh!
POST THE PROFF OF YOU ACCUSATION. You made serious accusations and did/will not provide documentation.
All you need do is provide the minutes if you have them. If you don't you made groundless accusations.
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Billy,
What is your problem? The resolution was part of the consent agenda which 99.9% of the time is approved unanimously.
Now, back to the budget. Look at the lovely presentation Jericho put together. And isn't it interesting how they ponder what would happen if a district completely depleted its Appropriated Fund Balance (think hard, which district wiped its AFB out completely last year .... starts with an 'L')
http://www.jerichoschools.org/BoE/Bdgt2013_Wkshp_4_ABC_20120228.pdf
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So Billy you don't deny that you are an administrator. You don't have, your writings give you away.
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Billy,
The more you write, the more you give yourself away. You have also proved that the posting of only the agenda and not the minutes is by design and not by accident to keep a cloak of secrecy, it may even be your design, who knows.
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So now we know the truth. You have no evidence to back up your serious accusation. Do you still maintain they did not recuse themselves. Yes, no or you do not know? My bet is you will not answer the question
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
*Can School Board rescind action previously taken at a Board meeting?
No, according to Robert's Rules of Order (official rule of LVCSD) Section 34, a Board may not recind a previous action which, as a result of the vote of the main motion, may not be undone.
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Billy,
It really doesn't MATTER whether they recused themselves, now does it? The resolution passed. This reminds me of the "GREAT" anti-gang/bullying program brought in by NCPD Ron Walsh. I was at that meeting when he was asked to recuse himself from the vote for a conflict of interest because "GREAT" is run through the police department. Walsh adamantly refused to recuse, hysterically spewing that, "If I can save just ONE LIFE by supporting this program ..... " blah blah blah.
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SoT,
Well, yes, BoE's are SUPPOSED to follow Robert's Rules of Order. So let's assume for a minute that they didn't. What are you going to do about it? What CAN be done about it?
I suppose someone could file a complaint with the Ethics Commission or the Attorney General ......
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Lisa,
Here are the important dates:
6/1/2011 BOE voted to discountinue the special property tax exemption for FD.
6/21/2011 LVCSD passed second budget vote.
11/15/2011 BOE voted to extend the special property tax exemption for FD.
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion - nor anything else.
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Well, not having a fireman in the family, but having great appreciation for those in our community who DO volunteer their time and put their lives at risk, I personally don't have a problem with giving them a tax break for their community service. If we had a paid, union fire-fighting department, we'd have much higher Village taxes, now wouldn't we?
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Lisa,
Neither do I have a problem giving them a break. The problem lies in how it is handled by BOE, which totally ignores whatever Rules of Order, purposely not posting the voting records, then dare the public to show the post. What post? How does the public post? Do you remember when BOE voted on Dr. Singe? Wasn't the voting record posted for all of us to see? Wonder when it was changed.
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How long is a class (period) now in school and what is total enrollment at locust valley school district? K through 12?
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Ryan,
For the high school, see this link
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/our_schools/bell_schedule_hs
The latest official enrollment for 2011-2012 is 2,113, projected 2012-2013 enrollment is 2,060.
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Anonymous,
Hmmm. Based on the dates you supplied, they were technically two different school Boards and the actions were taken in two separate school years.I would think the Robert's Rule of Order referred to would only apply to the SAME BoE, else no one would ever be allowed to change or revise policy thus voiding the entire purpose of Trustee elections.
I totally agree that the actual MINUTES which contain the votes should be posted to the website. Why LVCSD does not do this remains a mystery.
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Joe,
Any idea which grade levels saw the biggest decline in numbers? A 200 student drop in 3 years is significant.
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Does anyone know any details about the planned rally at the Hunderfunds East Quogue estate if she provides a budget over the tax cap? I saw a flyer posted in IGA and should have snapped a picture of it with my phone, but someone was behind me.
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This is how OB-EN posts its BoE Minutes:
http://obenschools.org/board/Minutes/2011-2012/Minutes%20January%2017,%202012%20-%20Business.pdf
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Paul,
Really? LOL! Someone please drop off a copy in my mailbox.
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Lisa,
Across many parts of Long Island, the elemetary schools are the ones affected the most. I assume that's the case with us too. Drop in elementary enrollment will eventually move up to h.s.
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Flyer wasn't there when I ran in for milk tonite on way home. I'll keep my eye out for them.
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It looks like the rest of us have a public consensus here now that BOE and Administration are in exec session.
- Keep both Budget and Taxes under Cap
- Provide Real Time Webcast of Meetings
- Post BOE Minutes and Voting Records
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I second that, but how do we make them comply. Would a letter to DA Rice do anything?
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The only way to make LVCSD comply with the 3 reasonable requests posted above are to:
1. Vote down the budget if it's over the 2% cap - twice if necessary
2. Start videotaping the BoE meetings and post them to You Tube
3. Obtain the monthly Minutes and post them to a website
Once you have shamed LVCSD for its lack of transparency, LVCSD will take responsibility and issue its own video and minutes.
It works. At least it works in other states!
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And I would like to add a 4th:
Post the monthly check registry online!
If they don't have anything to hide, what's the big secret?
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Lisa,
God forbid the public buying into watching LVCSD version of the video. They are going to shoot it the way their PR firm recommends. More, we probably are going to see a new line item in the budget next year for Board meeting videotaping.
I agree with your 4th and would like to add a 5th, post all vendor contracts online.
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How about postings RFP on the website and allowing any qualified person/firm to bid. How do they select the suppliers now?
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John,
Good point, let's make it 6th. The law requires RFP be sent but it does not require that it be sent to everyone that may be qualified. They probably publish it in some papers like the Guardian now but how many vendors will read it?
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You guys have no idea what's happening. I bet NONE of you have been to a board meeting lately. I haven't seen you Lisa, but I used to. The Board is working very hard to keep the budget within the tax cap: which by the way based on the STATE FORMULA is 2.68%. The Board didn't create that number, the STATE did. Why don't all of you start focusing on how to change the STATE MANDATES which are the reason our taxes go up. I bet if we didn't have to deal with some of the STATE MANDATES we might not have to raise taxes. Send your message to the Governor. He is the one that is responsible for all of these issues. Send your local legislators letters that tell them to fight for Long Island. Our tax dollars pay for everyone else's education in the State. NOT FAIR!!!Did you know that if you look at just the top performing schools in or area verses the rest of the country, we would be 3RD in the Nation ? What has to change is how the STATE deals with under-performing schools verses schools that are actually models for the rest of the State and the country. And by the way Billy is not on the School Board, or the Administration. I know who he; a concerned involved citizen that attends meetings, and is well informed. How easy it is for you to sit at home and say the Board of Education shoul have thier meetings on the web; Why don't you go to a meeting and during the Public Comment time ask why they don't? Too much trouble for you ? Can't get away from your computer? Easy to bitch about the way things are, harder to ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING!!!
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Wake up Mary, we are tired of going to the meetings and ignored or yes's to death. If they were available online or even streamed live we could stay more involved. Don't believe the Mandate excuse. Like the flyers around town say:
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year and did NOT take a raise last year. Our school's Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and DID take a pay increase last year. Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries. Make sure you sitting down, you won't believe your eyes.
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $71,752,390.00 and only 2165 students. That equals $33,141.00 for each student in the school system. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life's savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children's expense.
• Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
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Mary,
BOE does not have to work that hard only if they listen to the public. Bloggers here offered $1M in cuts, none is mandated and none will affect the academic programs. I am sure they read and post here but they just refused to listen.
Todd,
The flyer numbers are one year behind. The 2011-2012 budget is $73,776,262. It is verified by Lisa at the District site. The enrollment is 2,113.
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i would like to get to a board of ed meeting. but the bridge is a jealous mistress.
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Oh, "Todd", that again? Do you have any other half-truths and lies?
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Mary Mary quite contrary,
As long as Jack Dolce is BoE President, there is absolutely no reason for any resident of LVCSD to waste their time attending BoE meetings just to be insulted and sneered at. Back when the BoE meetings were held in the Administration Building, all meetings were tape recorded. You could request the audio-tape and listen to it without any problem. Then LVCSD built the MS theater and suddenly the district became unable to record meetings any longer.
Now why don't you address the $1.5M Appropriated Fund Balance that Mr. Dolce wiped out last year. Jericho seems to think that was a VERY BAD move. Why is no one in LVCSD questioning what that money was spent on?
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I wonder which would be less expensive ..... flying the IB Film teacher to Cardiff, Wales, for IB training (which LVCSD DID) or paying a stipend to a teacher to videotape the BoE meetings?
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Anon, I checked the information from that flier and you are right some of the numbers are wrong. Once corrected it looks even WORSE. Did you know teachers only teach 3.5 hours a day? Please provide your facts, not opinion if you dispute this. As you can see I did.
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year and did NOT take a raise last year. Our school’s Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and has had her pay increased by $43,000.00 since 2008. That’s around a 17% increase. Has your paycheck gone up 17% since 2008? Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries. Make sure you sitting down, you won’t believe your eyes.
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $73,776,262.00 and only 2113 students. That equals $34,915.00 for each student in the school system. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children’s expense.
• Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. For tier 2 retirees that is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
• Teaching is a part-time job consisting of only 182 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. By contract a teacher only has to teach 5 periods or a 210 minutes a day. Yes that’s right, only 3.5 hours a day is a teacher actually teaching.
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Todd,
Once brought up to date, your numbers are more accurate - though worse. Just to make the numbers more credible, the health insurance cost drops when a retiree reaches the Medicare aga (65). The District is only on the hook for the gap insurance (20% co-insurance).
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SAVE OUR SCHOOLS! SAVE OUR HOMES!
0% INCREASE FOR LVCSD!
VOTE NO!
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Todd,
Once a retiree reaches the Medicare age (65), the District is on the hook for Medicare Part B and Part D premium plus the gap insurance.
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Here's a hypothetical for everyone.
Let's say LVCSD puts forth a $74 Million budget. $74,000,000 even.
That would give LVCSD a $223,738.00 increase over 2011-2012.
IF the projected student enrollment is only 2050, as Joe stated above, that means LVCSD will be spending
$36,097 PER STUDENT!!!!!
That, my friends, is insanity.
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Anon wrote:
Todd,
Once brought up to date, your numbers are more accurate - though worse. Just to make the numbers more credible, the health insurance cost drops when a retiree reaches the Medicare aga (65). The District is only on the hook for the gap insurance (20% co-insurance).
Anon,
Yes, but my $1,200 estimate is actually low to what the district spends and does not include the increased costs that health insurance will require as time goes by. What is the actual number that the district now pays for a teachers health insurance?
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http://weaselzippers.us/2012/03/20/obamas-department-of-education-partners-with-george-soros-open-society-institute
SAY NO TO IBO
GET YOUR KIDS OUT OF ANY UN PROGRAMS
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Todd,
I am not a teacher, I don't know. It is the same for everyone, single, single parent with kids, couple with no kids, and family. Call any teacher or teachers to find out.
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Lisa,
Lisa wrote:
That, my friends, is insanity.
Yes, that is L-insanity. L for Lisa.
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Todd,
Teachers also get Dental Insurance, don't know how much it costs either.
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Lisa,
The Jericho budget presentation looks wonderful. However, it is meant to cover very serious budget issues. I am very sad to see this since Jericho has been a first class academic district. I would maintain the best on LI.
However, this is very serious --very, very, serious. The district is proposing a 2.2% budget increase and still includes MASSIVE LAYOFFS. By my count 22.( I know you will check me, thank you). When I was on the site I checked the last three budgets and there were no layoffs, so this is a major reversal for the district.
Additionally, there are significant program cuts including but not limited to: LI Philharmonic and Fashion, Reduced Art and reduction of Middle School Sports and Intramural programs, Reduced Elementary Services, Reduction of early and late transportation and athletic "revisions."
The explanation of the Fund Balance is also inaccurate. It is not a good idea to have a high Appropriate Fund Balance. Why? It requires the district to have a surplus in each year's budget to support the next year's budget. It is much better to put most or all of the Appropriate Fund Balance (surplus) into Reserves Funds which can accomplish the desired effect of budget stability. Now Jericho will be forced to have a large surplus this year to support next year's budget. Their super large Appropriate Fund balance is one reason they are in this mess. The presentation is correct in that the Unassigned Fund Balance should if possible be kept at 4%. From this presentation it is not clear what their Unassigned Fund Balance is but it does not look like 4%.
Since Jericho is relying on the Appropriate Fund Balance and not Unrestricted Reserves to reduce expenses I assume there Reserves are low, but I can not be sure without seeing their Reserve Balances. However, if my suspicion is right that is a super serious position be in with a tax levy limit of 2.2%. This budget gap will be ongoings and unfortunately grow and expected layoffs and cutbacks may be even larger next year. On top of that, the presentation mentioned serious problems the district faced in the near future with the Tax Certiorari being passed from the county to the school districts. Since Jericho has a large commercial base they will need to heavily fund a new reserve set up for this expense. MY opinion is Jericho has serious ongoing financial problems.
To be fair a large part of Jericho's problems are not of their makings but due to the tax levy limit and increased unfunded mandates. Nevertheless, this plan indicates there was NOT SOUND LONG TERM PLANNING.
I know I will be identified as a Board member, I am not but I have an MBA and was been involved in financial planning before an early retirement. Still, think of me as you will, I don't care.
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"You reap what you sow". For years Jericho collected and spent money like it was water. Now they will have to trim their erducation department to match the real needs of teh students and not the (part-time) teachers that lived off this excess. Jericho will NOT be losing any teachers of value.
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http://www.uticaod.com/education/x1652302162/Half-day-for-half-pints
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The whore administration tried to scare the parents in locust valley / Bayville with this tactic. I don't think a lower form of human exits than one who would use your children to extort money from you. How about negotiating more than 3.5 hours of actual teaching time from our bloodsucking teachers. We wouldn't need anyomre money if they didn't work pert-time. Crawl back in your hole Anon.
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Bedford school plan: Cut 57 jobs, raise tax rate 8.5%
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http://www.lohud.com/article/20120318/NEWS02/303180056/-1/7daysarchives/Bedford-school-plan-Cut-57-jobs-raise-tax-rate-8-5-
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A teacher works 182 days for thirty years (age 25-55), then gets paid for another thirty years (age 56 to life expectancy of 85) plus life time health inrance. For every day of work, one gets paid for four days. What a deal!
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Lisa,
Do you know who Pam Kaplan is? That name sounds familiar. She created this site and our BOE has endorsed it.
http://www.change.org/petitions/nys-elected-and-appointed-officials-create-mandate-exemption-for-high-performing-school-districts
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BJ,
Here you go:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelakaplanbellings
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Lisa,
Thanks for the link. So she in a way works for LVCSD. Are we paying for this site? Can you point me to Board Actions approving this thrust?
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BJ,
So our BoE endorsed placing a petition on Change.Org, eh? That's lovely. Nothing "non-partisan" there, eh? Take a look at Change.Org's staff:
http://www.change.org/about/team
"WSJ.com: What are the most popular causes on Change.org?
Mr. Rattray: Stop global warming is No. 1. Improve public schools, save Darfur and support universal health care are the other most popular causes."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118762911549903035.html
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LVCSD's old PR firm, Edelman out of Great Neck, used to charge LVCSD over $125,000 a year as a retainer. Printing costs were extra. At the time, I was covering Glen Cove schools and learned that GC used the firm Syntax and was only paying $65,000 a year for what seemed to be better PR coverage. The following year, LVCSD dropped Edelman and signed with Syntax. I don't know if Pam Kaplan is paid through Syntax or LVCSD, or whether the $65,000 (which might be more by now) includes any fees for the petition above. I don't know that the BoE would be obligated to pass a separate motion for Ms. Kaplan to post the petition or whether it is something that falls under her "discretion" as being in the best interest of the school district.
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Lisa,
Thank you for the links. Having looked at those, it sounds Al Gorish to me. It is consistent with our Liberal Tax and Spend BOE top gun.
In 2011-2012 LVCSD budget, Syntax is paid $150K. Guess we are Low Cost Valley and pay double for everything. Not sure how much it is in 2012-2013.
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
*What is the official Per Pupil Cost (PPC) at LVCSD and is there a breakdown for the General Population and separately for the Special Education population, which is mandated by the State, and how many Special Education students do we have? Is our Special Education population as a percentage higher or lower than other districts?
Here is a compilation of the official records at NYS Education Department of all school districts 2010-2011:
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/view.php?schdist=district&county=28&year=2011
In terms of the General Population PPC, below is a small sample taken from the above link in alphabetical order.
East Williston - $16,521
Great Neck - $15,893
Jericho - $18,338
Locust Valley (IB school) - $16,861
North Shore - $16,265
Manhasset - $14,205
Roslyn - $14,035
Oyster Bay - $15,294
Rockville Center (IB school) - $14,716
The % of Special Education population and the (mandated) PPC is about the same for all school districts.
Apparent Conclusion - The above list consists of most comparable and top schools in Nassau County. Locust Valley ranks #2 only behind Jericho in PPC. IB does not have to be expensive as shown in the Rockville Center PPC.
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SoT,
Now why would you do all that work and misrepresent the TOTAL Expenditures per Pupil?
First of all, the expenses are from 2009-2010, not 2010-2011. The data reported in 2010-2011 is from the prior year.
Locust Valley - $30,778
OB-EN - $29,969
Jericho - $31,813
RVC - $24,643
Roslyn - $25,476
Manhasset - $27,840
Great Neck - $28,230
East Williston - $26,927
Syosset - $26,379
No one ever said that IB was the SOLE reason for our ridiculous budget. The "expense" of IB is the same in RVC as it is in Singapore. It is a superfluous, non-mandated program. Something is clearly out of whack when Syosset, whose Superintendent gets paid double what Hunderfund receives, comes in $4,000 UNDER what LVCSD spends.
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Lisa, where do you get $30,778 per student. I checked the other posters data and he is correct.
This is what it is:
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $73,776,262.00 and only 2113 students. That equals $34,915.00 for each student in the school system.
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BJ,
You're very welcome. Thanks for bringing up the subject. It looks like Pam Kaplan is LVCSD's Anita Dunn. We might as well just rename the district MSNBC.
To LVCSD, your children are the PIN code to your ATM. Of course, the altruistic, caring, passionate, civil servants will proclaim how they do what they do "FOR THE CHILDREN" but deny them unlimited access to your ATM, and what happens? They hold your children hostage. They deny them normal school activities. They fearmonger and threaten.
Time to change the PIN code. Stand up and say, "You are NOT ALLOWED to use our children as access to unlimited funding". Time to cut LVCSD off. $74,000,000 is more than enough to run schools for 2,050 students.
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Lisa,
A year ago this time, teachers were gathering outside the buildings and waiting for the bell before going in, remember? I was there and personally witnessed it. They prpomply left the buildings after the final bell. They also refused to protor the exams, remember? That really scared the s*** of me.
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
*UPDATE - The caption of the NYS link says 2010-2011 but inside the link it is indeed 2009-2010 so the current year number is most likely higher. The Special Education cost is mandated by law and determined by CSE so there is little discretion. On the other hand there is discretion when it comes to tne General population. That is the reason NYS requires separate reporting.
Syosset General Population PPC: $15,659
It still leaves LVCSD being the second highest in General Population PPC.
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/view.php?schdist=district&county=28&year=2011
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Sharon,
I used SoT's link for the 2009-2010 school year. The $34,915 per student calculation is the correct figure for the 2011-2012 school year.
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That number of $35K seems very high. We could send our kids to Friends Academy for $25K a year and have Rothmans cater their lunch and it would still be cheaper.
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SoT,
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to establish. The way to determine the Total cost per student is to take the $$General Fund$$ and divide it by the number of students enrolled in the district.
The Syosset school district has over 6,500 students:
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/syosset/schools/
That's more than 3x the size of LVCSD. You know, in many parts of the country, a school district is the entire County. I'm not suggesting such a large consolidation of these little union fiefdoms is wise, but I personally think if Nassau County was divided into 5 large school districts, there could be tremendous reductions made at the top and much more efficient management.
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Yeh, you could save a ton of money by using only 1 PR firm instead of 5.
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Sharon,
That's an interesting thought - a county-wide PR firm for the public schools? That makes a lot of sense!
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OR - make "PR" part of the responsibility of the District Clerk - it's not very difficult to write up a few press releases on school events. Let the HS students contribute photos and articles. All the Clerk would have to do is proof them, evaluate which are worthy of publication and fax them to the local media or Newsday when the story is big enough.
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Btw, I know for a fact that OB-EN has a teacher who is considered a P/T PR person, in house. (or did) He was a very nice man. Very informative and responsive to requests for information.
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I take that back, there is NO reason to pay a PR firm ever! If the Superintendant can't put together an intelligent response to question then he/she should be replaced.
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Sharon,
Hey, remember the Ron Walsh LVCSD newsletter that went out for around a year or so? I wonder how much that cost us ... LOL
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
SourceOfTruth promises independent and impartial source of verifiable information and that is exactly what (s)he tries to do. SourceOfTruth provided the original NYS Ed link so readers can dig it on their own. The reason it was presented the way (s)he did is because in the past we have heard the following responses from LVCSD:
> It is because of we are mandated to pay for Special Ed students...
> Because we are a smaller district we do not have the economy of scale...
> Because we are a high performing district so we have to pay more for PPC...
> Because of the (unfunded) State mandate, our PPC is high...
and so on and so forth.
From what we showed, there are highER performing districts, there are smaller district, there are IB schools, and everyone has Special Ed and everyone is subjected to the SAME (unfunded) State mandate, yet our PPC ranks #2 in the County inclusive or exclusive of Special Ed. In addition, just checked Garden City, which is among the top in sports programs:
Gardent City General Population: $12,957.
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The metrics provided by the school district (kids going to college and number graduating) are junk stats. They provide no real insight into how well the kids are compared to other districts. Is there a website that compares the SAT scores from district to another?
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When you think about it, what does the PR firm do for LVCSD? They produce SoundWaves, ummmm ..... they produce SoundWaves ....... there USED to be a detailed budget brochure with bios of the Candidates, haven't seen that in awhile ...... they don't put together the school calendar ..... there USED to be a packet compiled for local Realtors, haven't seen that in ages .....
another P/T job making 6 figures. Great.
I'll do it for $80,000. A bargain!
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Looks like the bloodsuckers at Sachem gave back a bit of their ill-gotten loot. Maybe our teachers can learn from this.
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/towns/long-island-now-1.1732330/sachem-teachers-revise-deal-save-3-5m-1.3617422
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FOIL the LV teachers contract signed last year. The teachers agreed to NO salary increase for four years.
Only legally required step increases or any equal amount spread over all teachers.
There are no salary givebacks because there was no salary increases. That is why the union wanted to replace Board members last year, and the negotiations dragged on for two years.
To date I am unaware of any other district negotiating a Zero salary increase.
Credit to last year's Board for holding tight till the tax cap was ratified, and credit to the teachers for agreeing to the zero salary increase.
Of course I am a Board member, or ex Board member or administrator or teacher-- sigh! Nevertheless FOIL the contract and you will see. I did last fall when the Board claimed "no salary increases."
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So please tell us,Board member, ex-Board member, administrator or teacher ....
What sort of lobbying has LVCSD done to repeal the Triborough Amendment?
http://www.empirecenter.org/Special-Reports/2012/01/triboroughtrouble011112.cfm
Seems to me this would be a lot more productive than using a left-wing petition website to whine about "unfunded mandates".
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Don't know. I only know from reading the WSJ the Governor said there is NO chance he will agree to amend Triborough. I don't remember the quote but it was something like " it is off the table."
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
*Is the following statement true or false?
"The teachers agreed to NO salary increase for four years."
FALSE - Read the PR release from LVCSD BOE Jack Dolce.
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/News/Story.aspx?id=3106
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Anon - reading the WSJ,
Don't know who you but you must be smart to read WSJ. I read the link in SourceOfTruth post, the teachers are getting base compensation raises on top of the steps. In past budget presentation, we were told that is 3.6% a year even without base pay increase, which is not the case now. The link shows each teacher gets a one year one time $2,000 "bonus". I guess that is a "drop in the bucket" to you. From another post, we see Alan Stella pay went from $130K to $150K. What's $20K a year? It is not considered increase and that is just another "drop in the bucket".
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You need to read the release very carefully.
On balance there is no increase above the guaranteed steps. "Top teachers" do get a less than 1% increase, but not all teachers. When salary increases were given steps were cut. In addition Health care contributions were increased from 16 to 18% which saved money. As did retirements.
However, I spent a lot of time reading the agreement and working out the math to verify this.
If anyone is comfortable believing the teachers got less than a 1% salary increase so be it.
I imagine the agreement was structured this way is because step increases would go to teachers disproportionately. Teachers on top steps would get nothing but those on low steps would get a couple of percent. This it seems evens it out.
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The zero percent increase is the average over the four years and as I said when salary increases were given ($2,000 lump sum) steps were cut to compensate.
As to increases for Alan Stella I don't know what years were covered on the reported increases, or if Mr. Stella's responsibilities increases via club monitor or sport coach during that period
What I do know is the contract has no increase in dollar amount over the required steps during the four length period of the contract . You should FOIL and read it.
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Anon,
I am sure you read the agreement very carefully. I am sure you are telling the truth "Teachers on top steps would get nothing". In that case, how did Alan Stella base salary went fomr $130K to $150K. Health insurance contribution from 16 to 18% is not even enough to cover the increate in premium increase. It is a bad deal considering the base was high to begin with. Our PPC for the general population is 25% higher than Garden City. Something is terribly wrong here.
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You can download the teachers contract here
http://qvs.visiblegovernment.us/seethroughNY.net/contracts/school-contracts/221301040000%20Locust%20Valley%20T.pdf
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This is the old agreement covering 2006 to 2010.
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i am just wondering why lvcsd does not put the new contract online while this mr. anon - reading the wsj had access to the new contact (he said he is not boe or x-boe or adm or teacher). what is there to hide?
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
*How much health insurance premium increase affected LVCSD and how much was offset by the 2% increase in teachers' contribution?
In the past three years, the health insurance premium has increased by about 10% a year, which comes to about $200 more per family for the monthly premium, which comes to about $2,400 for the year. For a teacher making $96,000 a year, this is equivalent to 2.5% more in pay to cover it. Teachers may not consider that as a "raise" but the district is paying out that much more. The 16% to 18% change reduces the 2.5% to 2.2% more in district payout to cover it.
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SoT,
Source of verifiable information, please verify the cost of a monthly health insurance premium otherwise your information is speculative. Thank you. What is the source of this information?
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
Source of health insurance premium is from teachers working in the district and from past budget presentations. The previously reported premium for family coverage as of 1/1/2011 was $1,546.44 per month for family about $200 more than 2010. The increase as of 1/1/2012 is approximately $200. Since you are boe/admin, please contribute your numbers if you have different numbers and think yours is more accurate. SourceOfTruth here is all for the truth.
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Actually, I have no idea the cost of monthly premiums If the reported premium was $1,546.44 as of January 2011, your analysis is fairly accurate and I appreciate the information. Can you tell us where it was reported. Thank you.
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
Source of health insurance premium is from teachers working in the district and from past budget presentations. SourceOfTruth did not inquire about the exact dental insurance, which is about an additional $80 per family per month.
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Attention MS parents - anything like this going on in LVMS?
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/22/va-middle-schoolers-assigned-to-do-oppo-research-on-gop-candidates/
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Wow!! Average salary in Locust Valley is $106K, for 3.5 hours of teaching!!
Last, Firt, Middle Annual Pay Pay Year Title
Adames-Pugliano, Juana E $112,303.68 2011 Foreign Language
Aiello, Eleonora J $88,490.91 2011 Foreign Language
Alilionis, Henry S $142,502.44 2011 Administration
Alonge, Francine $98,284.98 2011 1st Grade
Angelo, Mariantonia $83,061.05 2011 Foreign Language
Aragonesi, Joseph $131,840.46 2011 Enrichment
Badillo, Joy A $62,397.75 2011 Individual Needs
Bates, Elizabeth A $112,628.64 2011 4th Grade
Bates, Elizabeth (Betsy) A $105,706.90 2011 2nd Grade
Becker, Tanya J $122,034.40 2011 2nd Grade
Beers, Susan M $127,920.00 2011 English
Bellisari, Timothy $126,777.35 2011 GYM
Bender, Denise L $128,548.04 2011 Music
Bennett, Romy M $108,017.22 2011 Individual Needs
Benstock, Jane P $125,220.52 2011 Music
Benstock, John E $117,959.00 2011 Music
Blask, Sherri G $125,195.00 2011 1st Grade
Bolitho, Adele $57,223.00 2011 English
Boni, Margaret A $60,519.14 2011 English
Bressel, Elizabeth R $125,490.74 2011 Foreign Language
Buonaspina, Robert $130,642.80 2011 International Bacul
Burns, Margaret A $80,487.84 2011 4th Grade
Buzzeo, Carol A $123,531.65 2011 Music
Caballero, Elizabeth G $110,496.80 2011 Math/Science
Cagney, Monica A $135,598.68 2011 4th Grade
Calandra, William J $107,160.73 2011 Math/Science
Camilleri, Thomas C $77,415.24 2011 Art / Technology
Campbell, Bruce R $123,819.00 2011 TV Media Production
Canavan, John F $71,780.42 2011 Social Studies
Cannone, Edward M $142,257.72 2011 English
Caramico, Tammy $87,904.82 2011 Individual Needs
Carroll, Lauren E $100,139.76 2011 Individual Needs
Carswell, Wendy ??? ???? 3rd Grade
Cavanagh, Dina E $94,405.44 2011 Speech
Celli, Jillian J $80,450.79 2011 Guidance
Chaplin, Donna R $90,767.72 2011 Art
Ciampi, Veronica M $127,144.97 2011 Science
Collins, Carolyn J $128,627.08 2011 GYM
Comerford-Nilsen, Coleen G $94,518.56 2011 English
Conti, Lisa J $84,338.13 2011 Music
Cook, Joyce A $117,830.00 2011 Computers
Coppola, Paige M $63,417.21 2011 Library
Corrado, Loren K $75,439.43 2011 Individual Needs
Craig, Catherine H $135,300.80 2011 Speech
Crici, Vincent D $128,905.64 2011 Music
Cusano, Nicole L $104,139.08 2011 4th Grade
Czerniecki, Lisa A $87,436.14 2011 English
Dantuono, Mark J $145,132.48 2011 GYM
De Gregorio, Heather $109,266.48 2011 Health
Dean, Teresa $94,044.12 2011 English
Defeo, Linda $124,664.88 2011 Art
Dennis, Tracy E $83,072.92 2011 Kindergarten
Dickstein, Jaimie F $24,844.89 2011 Guidance
DiGennaro, John F $95,303.71 2011 Individual Needs
Duvall, Loretta I $116,463.32 2011 Kindergarten
Emery, Carol A $125,195.00 2011 Reading
Enea, Joseph M $83,227.51 2011 Social Studies
Eno, Stacey L $121,058.20 2011 Kindergarten
Ethe, David J $145,060.47 2011 Social Studies
Ettinger, Dana L $102,432.92 2011 Art
Fahlbusch, Barbara M $115,738.04 2011 Kindergarten
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Alicia,
Your list was cut short by the 3000 characters limit, right? I am shocked to see the following in your partial list.
Duvall, Loretta I $116,463.32 2011 Kindergarten
Fahlbusch, Barbara M $115,738.04 2011 Kindergarten
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I can email you a copy of the full list. We also have a GYM teacher making $160K a year. The union changed the rules and all teachers make the same pay rate irregardless of level of education they teach. This is an old Communist technique. Email me at savebayville@yahoo.com to get the full list.
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Alicia,
The Gym teacher that makes $160K a year, does he or she also coaches? Does the $160K includes coaching? How much extra do they get for coaching?
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Time for a DIRECT QUOTE:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/News/Story.aspx?id=3106
"I want to thank our teaching professionals for working with us to craft an agreement both parties believe is fair and reasonable,” said Mr. Jack Dolce, President of the Board of Education.
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Instead of being so heavily focused on what our teachers are earning, perhaps the community should be willing to pay a bit more attention to what is being taught.
I received the following e-mail yesterday. I have redacted the student's name and e-mail address. I have located other "writing" by this student on the Internet and have contacted her HS Principal. While I do not believe this student who has serious personal problems is representative of ALL IB students, you need to be aware of the "group think" demonstrated by more than a few of those in IB.
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Date: Thursday, March 22, 2012 05:11 pm
Subject: Visitor Feedback from Your Website
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First Name:
Last Name:
Address Line 1:
City:
State: Nebraska
Zip Code:
Country: United States
E-mail Address:
Comments: Dear Lisa,
My name is XXXXX, and I attend an IB school in Nebraska. I just thought I'd let you know a little about me. I hold socialistic values, I am bisexual, do not subscribe to any organized religion, am a feminist, and am proud of being a global citizen. Essentially, I am the embodiment of everything you seem to fear. I promise you that every single one of us in IB are like this. You really have a lot to worry about. Because we're coming for you.
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Lisa,
Found the post, copied here because I am curious too. Do you know the answer?
Is kindergarten mandated in New York State?
I'm a parent of 2 kids, ages 5 and 8. My 8 yr old has been attending a Waldorf school and as demonstrated an artistic gift, advanced mechanical aptitude, and generally great skills.
My 5 yr old, whom I think of as at least as gifted has started a public kindergarten as I didn't quite have the money to send them both to Waldorf this year. She's been pegged as requiring 'intervention' as she's not on a certain reading level. I'm furious and I feel like marching down to the school and pulling her out tomorrow.
Before I start acting rashly, would someone be able to tell me if kindergarten is mandatory in NY? I need to know what realities I'm dealing with. I was a late reader but have an IQ of 150+. My daughter and son appear to be rather gifted and I want what's best for them, despite what I may be able to afford.
If $ were not an issue, I would home school them both. I'm quite interested in the opinions of my LinkedIn network...thanks!
Best
Don Scott
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Hi Don,
According to the following link which appears reputable, Kindergarten is NOT mandatory in NYS:
http://mb2.ecs.org/reports/Report.aspx?id=32
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Why do they pay Kindergarten teachers so much?
Dennis, Tracy E $83,072.92 2011 Kindergarten
Duvall, Loretta I $116,463.32 2011 Kindergarten
Eno, Stacey L $121,058.20 2011 Kindergarten
Fahlbusch, Barbara M $115,738.04 2011 Kindergarten
Patak, Ellen C $115,600.20 2011 Kindergarten
Shanahan, Jeanne M $115,382.68 2011 Kindergarten
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Alicia,
Kindergarten teachers must be certified for grades K-6. It is up to the discretion of individual Principal as to which Grade an elementary teacher will be assigned each year.
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Alicia,
How many periods are there? What time do they start and finish on a regular day?
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Start at 7:45 finish at 2:30PM
They must teach 5 periods at 40 mins each, which is 3.5 hours total. They teh must do 2 periods of lunch or homeroom. Their contract forbids them from staying longer than 7.5 hours a day on school property.
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Clearly, Alicia/Enough/Roland/Richard/Sharon you haven't a clue. "Their contract forbids them from staying longer than 7.5 hours a day on school property."
Can you please provide the source of that (wrong) information? What part of the contract does that come from? Clearly, just an inflammatory remark...
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Anon,
I am already "MoreThanHadEnough". It is exactly because of people like you. You accuse others of "inflammatory remark". Speak for yourself. I did not accuse anyone. I only asked the question about how many periods they teach and what hours. Am I not allowed?
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Oh Anon to have the life of a teacher. Home already aren't we? I hope your 3.5 hours of teaching didn't wear you out. YOu don't dispute that do? That your contract only requires 3.5 hours of teaching. Now pull out your teachers contract and go to page 14, Section 8a. I was wrong it states you shouldn't have to stay more than 7.25 hours on premises, not 7.5. Can I have my apology now, and why are you addressing 3 people in your email to me? The kiddies stressing you out at school?
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I'm not comfortable with attacking teachers and trying to reduce the entire scope of their profession to the hours they spend in front of children. Our teachers do also have a prep period and Lord knows there must be required "collaboration" time, as well. Many good teachers take work home with them or volunteer to help with school activities for no additional compensation. Site based Management WAS one of those areas. Perhaps because the union complained too loudly about not being compensated for that, it has all but disappeared from LVCSD despite still being on the NYSED books as law.
BUT .... by the same token, I resent teachers waiting for the last possible second before the bell to enter the building, the union t-shirts and other childish thug tactics employed when they don't entirely get their way.
I really think the time has come to make some DEEP cuts to this country club. Maybe the first thing to go should be Kindergarten since it isn't mandatory. That adds up to almost $600,000 in salaries right there! (that's for all of you who are sick and tired of hearing me moan about IB .... LOL!)
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i too more than had enough. anon, apparently you have all the contracts and board meetings minutes, which puts the public in the dark. you just pushed me over the edge. lisa, do you have an address that i can send you some money? i don't have a lot of money but i want to start this drive and send you what i can. what is the money going to be for? i would like the community as a whole to foil all of the latest of the following and out them online ourselves:
superinterdent contract
teachers contract
secretary contract
custodian contract
srp contract
nurse contract
food service contract
and above all:
law firms contract
auditors contract
pr firm contract
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I don't think it is right to use the students against their own parents. Kindergarten should not be cut, the teachers salaries should. We shouldn't be paying more than $35K for a Kindergarten teacher.
As far as lesson plans go you are wrong. Once we make a lesson plan we can use it year after year. Their is no real preperation after you have been teaching a number of years.
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Well put Anonymous, you can download the old contrcats here, http://seethroughny.net/index.php?cID=169
I can email you a list of all the teachers names and salaries if you want to print and pass it around. Make sure you have a strong stomach before reading it though. The numbers will scare you.
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You could also try emailing the Newsday Reporter who covers the schools to grive your concerns.
jo.napolitano@newsday.com
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Sorry, "Alicia" I had no access to the contract but did go to See through to read it. It still doesn't "forbid" teachers to stay more than 7.5 hours. It's all about the way you interpret it, isn't it? Why do you hate teachers so much? Bad student???
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Just the opposite, I have a great respect for the teachers that taught me. The ilk that has populated the teachers positions today are NOT teachers though. They are gold diggers, much like yourself. It is troublesome to know that my boys are being taught by people like this and worrying that they will pick up their low ethical values. I want my children to knwo the value of hard work, NOT part-time work called full time. Understand now.
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Anonymous,
Add "Consultant Fees" to your list. Let me put it this way - LVCSD don't like me very much. Someone else would be much more likely to gain access to the information you seek than I would. Just remember to be specific in the names of the documents you request. The district is not obligated to "compile" or "create" any new documentation, merely provide what already exists in writing, be it written or electronic.
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Anon,
You said:
" Kindergarten should not be cut, the teachers salaries should. We shouldn't be paying more than $35K for a Kindergarten teacher."
I'm sorry, but your logic is flawed. The teacher assigned to teach Kindergarten has the same credentials as the teacher assigned to teach 5th Grade. By your reasoning, Phys Ed teachers really shouldn't be paid much of anything and the pay scale should increase as the children age? That's simply bizarre.
You could make Kindergarten half day. You could eliminate it altogether. In other states, public school parents are charged a fee for full day Kindergarten because the State only reimburses for half day. NYS reimburses for full day, even though it's not Mandatory.
Remember, that Kindergartner is costing the taxpayer the same $36,000 as the Valedictorian.
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Lisa, not sure I follow what you are saying but I think pay should be balanced against the grade you are teaching. As the kids get older the material is more difficult and the teachers should earn more. Why should a teacher who teaches kids how to use scissors and crayons make the same as a Science teacher? I understand that what you said earlier about accredidation but the pay should match the work. That is how it works in the real world.
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Alicia wrote:
Why do they pay Kindergarten teachers so much?
Dennis, Tracy E $83,072.92 2011 Kindergarten
Duvall, Loretta I $116,463.32 2011 Kindergarten
Eno, Stacey L $121,058.20 2011 Kindergarten
Fahlbusch, Barbara M $115,738.04 2011 Kindergarten
Patak, Ellen C $115,600.20 2011 Kindergarten
Shanahan, Jeanne M $115,382.68 2011 Kindergarten
I just verified your numbers in C Thru NY. With that said, those numbers do not include health benefits and retirement funds. Those two items add up to about another $25K PER TEACHER.
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So I am confused. Are you in support of teachers and these salaries or NOT?
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I think the salaries are completely out of control, K-12 + Admin. I think your proposal to start an elementary school teacher at a lower starting salary than say a HS Social Studies teacher is preposterous. Then what are you going to do, say Physics is a more difficult subject than English so the Physics teacher should make more? For all I know, there MAY be a different starting pay between a teacher who is K-6 certified vs. someone who is certified 6-12. If someone knows, please advise.
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Read the teachers contract, all teaching levels are treated equally. Pay is based on years teaching NOT grade level.
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Thank you Roland, that's what I thought, I just wasn't positive.
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Alicia,
Sorry about the confusion. What I was trying to say is that your numbers did not include benefits and retirement. For example, take a "typical" kindergarten teacher on your list, base is $115,500, then + $25,000, you get $140,000. That is what a typical kindergarten teacher gets, not the top ones, just a "typical" one. Too high or not, you be the judge.
What bothered me is that after such fight, BOE just caved in completely even AFTER the tax cap became law.
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Anon, what confused was your past postings in support of the teachers. Now you say they are over paid. I get the impression someone is posting under Anon's name and it is not her.
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Alicia,
There are many "Anon" here. The trouble is that whenever someone says the teachers are paid too much, there are posts saysing it is "inflammatory remark", "trouble maker", and so on. I guess we try to stop their gravy train. In reality, national average for kindergarten teachers is $52,126 and we pay MORE THAN DOUBLE that.
http://www1.salary.com/Teacher-Kindergarten-Salary.html
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Agreed, we spend around $115K a year for our Kindergarten teachers. In the end we all lose when our kids can't afford to live in the very communities they grew up in.
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Alicia,
Every dollar more we pay into this already sky high tax is a dollar off our dinner tables.
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I think that the District spends all their money on new programs that don't work! They use to have foundations for the younger grades and it really work!!! my child was doing amazing in their writing and spelling! now they are using this "reading street"! that isn't working!!! my child is so confused with etc. you should see the homework they get home! stuff they should be learning in the higher grades!! The superintendent is making our kids look like idiots we are not syossit, MANHASSIT,cold spring harbor, and etc. We are Bayville. I think we should get the superintendent out of our school! she isn't listening to the people!!! the students! I want foundation back for my children's learning! the whole system is going backwards then forwards!! why can't we stay with a program that really works for our children then changing them! everyone is different and we are not her dream school. she wants us to be manhassit, Jericho< sayest and cold spring harbor. Then leave and go there!!!
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Alicia, you wrote:
“I think pay should be balanced against the grade you are teaching. As the kids get older the material is more difficult and the teachers should earn more. Why should a teacher who teaches kids how to use scissors and crayons make the same as a Science teacher? I understand that what you said earlier about accredidation but the pay should match the work. That is how it works in the real world.”
I am astounded by your ignorance. If we are to follow your logic, then a pediatrician should get lower pay than an internist. Before you accuse me of being a teacher, you should know that you don't have to be a teacher to value education, you just have to value kids. My kids have had a wonderful experience in our school system and have benefited from the dedication of the teachers they’ve encountered.
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My Children have also had a great experience in our schools and the teachers are amazing in what they are teaching! My child has gone to Yale, Harvard, princeton university! they are also very successful in their carreer! and I'm so proud of eachone of my children!I'm sure every teacher is teaching their children the best they can with this new program. The world is going fast and so is the technology and programs for this school! I vote yes every yr even though my kids are out of school and college. but to give the future students that walk through the halls that my children walked in a chance to have a great eduation and be in a great school district. Let's not be all negative and think about the Kids! they don't deserve this negative stuff. Yes the economy is bad and we are all suffering. But think about the Children! They don't desurve this! and Neither does the teachers. They work hard everyday to educate our future kids so they can be prepair for the work place outside a classroom window. Please let stop this negativity and think about your children/ grandchildren and family members. We should all pull in together a one big community and Long Island what we are made of! Let's show them that we are the best school on LongIsland. Who cares about the "reading street" from the Anon post earlier this morning. Look at my children gone to great colleges because of the fondations of this school! they molded my children in acidemics, sports, clubs! let's all work together and be the best bayville and locust valley community ever! for our children!
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My Children have also had a great experience in our schools and the teachers are amazing in what they are teaching! My 3 kids has gone to Yale, Harvard, princeton university! they are also very successful in their carreer! and I'm so proud of eachone of my children!I'm sure every teacher is teaching their children the best they can with this new program. The world is going fast and so is the technology and programs for this school! I vote yes every yr even though my kids are out of school and college. but to give the future students that walk through the halls that my children walked in a chance to have a great eduation and be in a great school district. Let's not be all negative and think about the Kids! they don't deserve this negative stuff. Yes the economy is bad and we are all suffering. But think about the Children! They don't desurve this! and Neither does the teachers. They work hard everyday to educate our future kids so they can be prepair for the work place outside a classroom window. Please let stop this negativity and think about your children/ grandchildren and family members. We should all pull in together a one big community and Long Island what we are made of! Let's show them that we are the best school on LongIsland. Who cares about the "reading street" from the Anon post earlier this morning. Look at my children gone to great colleges because of the fondations of this school! they molded my children in acidemics, sports, clubs! let's all work together and be the best bayville and locust valley community ever! for our children!
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My Children have also had a great experience in our schools and the teachers are amazing in what they are teaching! My 3 kids has gone to Yale, Harvard, princeton university! they are also very successful in their carreer! and I'm so proud of eachone of my children!I'm sure every teacher is teaching their children the best they can with this new program. The world is going fast and so is the technology and programs for this school! I vote yes every yr even though my kids are out of school and college. but to give the future students that walk through the halls that my children walked in a chance to have a great eduation and be in a great school district. Let's not be all negative and think about the Kids! they don't deserve this negative stuff. Yes the economy is bad and we are all suffering. But think about the Children! They don't desurve this! and Neither does the teachers. They work hard everyday to educate our future kids so they can be prepair for the work place outside a classroom window. Please let stop this negativity and think about your children/ grandchildren and family members. We should all pull in together a one big community and show Long Island what we are made of! Let's show them that we are the best school on LongIsland.
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Anon - who just posted three times,
Don't confuse this Anon with yourself. I love it when our graduates are able to attend IVY schools. As a matter of fact I am fortunate to have that too. Much has changed in the last several years and much has not. My house is worth about the same as before, my income has stayed about the same only slightly lower. I consider myself very fortunate. However, look at the numbers below:
2000-2001 $40,408,141
2001-2002 $43,798,552
2002-2003 $46,678,052
2003-2004 $51,080,819
2004-2005 $54,195,726
I want kids in this district to have the same education as my kids had but not having to pay almost DOUBLE the tax when mine were in school.
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Now I am posting it the second time myself. Just to see the whole picture:
2010-2011 $71,835,590
2011-2012 $73,776,262
2012-2013 $$$,$$$,$$$
2011-2012 vs 2000-2001 183%
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Oh good grief, does anyone here actually believe that the offspring of "Anon" who has the writing ability of a 2nd Grader, actually attended Harvard, Yale and Princeton?
Post under your real name "Anon" if you want any credibility.
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True, Anon's statement about her fictious kids is as believable as her not being paid by the school district. Plus anyone who has kids who achieve such academia knows it is the students that do so and not because of the teachers. I love how Anon and her colleagues try and take credit for smart kids.
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Anon,
My child has gone to Yale, Harvard, princeton university! Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:28 AM
My 3 kids has gone to Yale, Harvard, princeton university! Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:29 AM
My 3 kids has gone to Yale, Harvard, princeton university! Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:32 AM
Should we repost these three posts to those school alum sites? How about "My three kids HAVE..." to start?
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Alicia,
I am not that Anon as you know from my post yesterday. How do you know the wonder parent is "she"? It sounds like the same male BOE that has been posting here.
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I asked around about the post from Anon (3 posts). LVCSD had a few graduates went to Princeton (with capital P), and a much smaller bunch went to Harvard. The only one that went to Yale is Kelly Fallon, who now works at the District.
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Just to put it in perspective, not that I believe anyone on this blog does.
LV Budget 2000-01 $40.4m
LV Budget 2010-11 $73.7m
Percent Increase 183%
Gas 2000 $1.51gal
Gas 2012 $3.95 gal
Percent Increase 261%
http://horne.vplp.org/2011/01/weekly-us-retail-gas-prices-since-2000.html
Health Insurance average annual increase since 2001- 9.1%
Percent increase 288%
The Leader 2001 $.25
The Leader 2011 $.75
Percent Increase 300%
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Frank,
I gather you must have an MBA and have been doing a lot of financial planning. You just pick and choose the numbers that you want to skew the public.
Here is the CPI data since 1913. Don't tell me CPI is not an accurate mesasure of prices. It is what most measurements go by. In the last ten years, CPI went up by 26% when LVCSD budget went up by 83%. What gives?
http://www.inflationdata.com/inflation/consumer_price_index/historicalcpi.aspx
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The CPI is of very little use to consumers since it excludes food and transportation the two biggest driver of price increases. Even many economics exclude it now in measuring inflation. In addition the CPI does not weigh how much the average consumer spends on each item which is the only way to determine how price increases effect the average consumer. Also you need to compound the annual increases.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/inflation/2007-06-13-inflation-usat_N.htm
I don't know if the lvcsd budget has risen more than the cost of food in the last 10 years but I doubt it.
Still I believe nationally, the cost of public pensions and unfunded mandates, are needlessly driving up the cost of education.
Thank you but I am not an MBA.
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The CPI is of very little use to consumers since it excludes food and transportation the two biggest driver of price increases. Even many economics exclude it now in measuring inflation. In addition the CPI does not weigh how much the average consumer spends on each item which is the only way to determine how price increases effect the average consumer. Also you need to compound the annual increases.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/inflation/2007-06-13-inflation-usat_N.htm
I don't know if the lvcsd budget has risen more than the cost of food in the last 10 years but I doubt it.
Still I believe nationally, the cost of public pensions and unfunded mandates, are needlessly driving up the cost of education.
Thank you ,but I am not an MBA.
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Actually Frank, your calculations on The Leader are incorrect. If The Leader went from $.25 to .50, that's 100% increase. Fitty cents becomes the "newsstand price". It then rose another .25 (which would be 50% of the price at that time) so it is 150% increase.
You might arrive at a 200% increase by stating the initial price tripled, but doubling the price is 100% increase, not 200%.
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Whatever the case ....
EVERYTHING 'CEPT MY BANK ACCOUNT IS TOO DAMN HIGH!
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Lisa,
Lisa wrote:
Actually Frank, your calculations on The Leader are incorrect. If The Leader went from $.25 to .50, that's 100% increase. Fitty cents becomes the "newsstand price". It then rose another .25 (which would be 50% of the price at that time) so it is 150% increase.
You might arrive at a 200% increase by stating the initial price tripled, but doubling the price is 100% increase, not 200%.
Lisa:
You are absolutely correct. All computations are really 100 base points lower. I followed the lead taken by Anon who had the budget increase at 183% instead of 83%. I didn't think Anon would be able to follow why the increase was 83% and not 183%. and I was trying to avoid a needless argument. See below
Anon wrote:
Now I am posting it the second time myself. Just to see the whole picture:
2010-2011 $71,835,590
2011-2012 $73,776,262
2012-2013 $$$,$$$,$$$
2011-2012 vs 2000-2001 183%
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How much it went up really doesn'y matter now. The horse is out of the barn and we need to corral it in. The average income for a person with NO pension in this area is $75K for a full time job. Our teachers average $107K with a pension and part-time hours.
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Alicia,
Excellent point and I WISH I had a 75K a year FT job
I'm afraid the "horse" has busted down the barn door and is now a wild mustang that cannot be domesticated.
If only the horse would realize that it has the opportunity to stay in the barn - instead of heading off to the glue factory - by simply eating the hay it is given.
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My friend Mr. Community Member stood up at the last BOE meeting and told you guys that we are on Social Security and it is based on CPI and we cannot keep up with you guys any more. With your MBA degree and amateur financial planner background (unless you are CFP) experience, I am sure you can win the argument with the Social Security Administration. I will keep my fingers crossed.
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Lisa,
ALPO will soon come to a store near you.
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Yes, the Obama administration's claim is that SSA is ripping off older people on social security by tying it to CPI. They are pushing for larger increases. How long have you been a flaming liberal?
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Direct Quote:
Our BOE has publically stated that - *NYS* is ripping off *students* on *property tax cap* by tying it to CPI.
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Apologies for being off the tax topic but does anyone know if LVSD uses "pink slime"? I see from their website they particpate in the National School Lunch Program. I have heard in the news that schools can optout of using the pink slime. Thank you
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I think the Super and some members of the BOE qualify as slime.
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Well, will ya look at that! SOMEBODY obviously reads the Bayville Blog at LVCSD and changed Common Core CURRICULUM to STANDARDS.http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/
LOL! Now where's my 6 figure paycheck?
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Lisa,
I envy the 3-post Anon, whose children went to "Yale, Harvard, and princeton". I looked at LVCSD site of this year's college admissions, there is no Brown, Columbia, Dartmouth, Harvard, Yale, and Penn. Did I misss anything? Is it because we are paying enough taxes?
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Anon,
Am I the ONLY person in the room who is sick and tired of hearing how terrible American education is and how we are such a terrible country that we have to apologize to dictators and fasci-ts? Can we please table the words "reform" and "transform" and replace them with RESTORE and RENEW?
Does anyone in their right mind honestly believe that NO STUDENT from LVHS ever attended Ivy league universities before IB? Of COURSE they did! My son graduated in 2001 and I remember kids who went to Notre Dame, MIT, Sarah Lawrence and Georgetown. Those are all damn good schools. Do 25% of LVHS grads still go to Nassau Community College? That was a fairly constant figure over the years as I recall. Maybe somebody could update me on that percentage.
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Anon,
Am I the ONLY person in the room who is sick and tired of hearing how terrible American education is and how we are such a terrible country that we have to apologize to dictators? Can we please table the words "reform" and "transform" and replace them with RESTORE and INVIGORATE?
Does anyone in their right mind honestly believe that NO STUDENT from LVHS ever attended Ivy league universities before IB? Of COURSE they did! My son graduated in 2001 and I remember kids who went to Notre Dame, MIT, Sarah Lawrence and Georgetown. Those are all damn good schools. Do 25% of LVHS grads still go to Nassau Community College? That was a fairly constant figure over the years as I recall. Maybe somebody could update me on that percentage.
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apologies for the double post, don't know why that happened....
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Lisa,
You are absolutely right. Remember Martone and Vasilas graduated in 2000? LVHS started to go downhill quickly since the bearded guy came. Coincidence?
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Anon,
There's no such thing as coincidence.
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I remember in Sean's year, there were Alexis Kende (Princeton) and Erol Gulay (Harvard), who later on graduated from Columbia Law School.
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
*In most recent Pre-IB years (2005 and earlier), did LVCSD have students accepted by all IVY schools? Did LVCSD have student received National Merit scholarship?
The answer is Yes to both questions. LVCSD has had students accepted by all IVY schools including the less common Brown (2000) and Dartmouth (2002), and LVCSD has had student actually received National Merit scholarship.
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This pension system is totally busted:
http://longisland.newsday.com/templates/simpleDB/?pid=374¤tRecord=201
LVCSD contribution to administrators pension
2010 $541,716.00
2013 $1,478,047.00
LVCSD contribution to teachers pension
2010 $1,773,468.35
2013 $3,444,631.82
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Don't know how many administrators there are at LVCSD but for teachers, this comes to another $17K per teacher per year at taxpaypers expense. When you add the retirement contribution to district health insurance contribution, it comes to $35K per teacher per year.
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I have to say, this is the biggest load of crap I've ever seen issued by LVCSD!
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/parents/advocate_for_mandate_relief
The idiot NY Democrats decided to "adopt" the Common Core Standards and now they're going to whine about it?? You mean to tell me that NYS Standards don't already EXCEED the commie BS of Common Core? Or that the CURRICULUM taught by our 6 figure teachers isn't more RIGOROUS than the most basic NYS STANDARDS???
This is a scam, folks. A big, fat scam. LVCSD has spent $10,000+ a year for a computer software program for Principals to "evaluate" teachers for the past 6 years. How dare LVCSD use OUR TAX MONEY to operate a website promoting a petition generated by Change.org.
VOTE NO! Give LVCSD 0% increase!
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I want you people to think about something. WHO is going to check to see if LVCSD's curriculum meets the Common Core Standards?
WHO has bothered to determine whether or not LVCSD's curriculum meets NYS Standards?
Who from NYS DoE or the U.S. DoE is going to evaluate every single public school's curriculum to see if it is "up to snuff"?
The answer is NO ONE!
The DoE's are relying on YOUR Superintendent's sign off that what is being taught in YOUR public schools meets those "standards".
Let me repeat, standards are NOT a curriculum. The Collectivists are playing word games with the public, with your children and with your money.
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Lisa,
That is indeed crap. Is that how we set examples? They should change the sign to LVCSD BOE Madness. Is there a BOE Action to take such position or that is no longer needed? BOE President wants to sue NYS, BOE President was belligerent towards Senator Carl Marcellino at the Boys and Girls Club in front of everybody there. When is this madness going to stop?
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The district is running scared. They know that when the students take a standardized test they will NOT perform as has been presented to us over the years. Basically it will be shown that the emperor has no clothes. I have a list of all the teachers, their positions and current salaries if anyone wants it. Email me at savebayville@yahoo.com and I'll send it to you.
We need to get a show of support against the BOE and the districts wastefull spending. I think next budget hearing is 2 weeks from tomorrow.
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I just visited the link in Lisa's post, clicked every listed e-mail address on that page, and sent out the following:
"Dear elected and appointed New York State official,
I am sending you this e-mail by clicking your e-mail address link on the web page at our school district (LVCSD) site:
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/parents/advocate_for_mandate_relief
I do not know if it is legal for Board of Education to turn our schools into a Polical Action Committee using public resources. I also do not know if this is grounds for removing the Board and the Superintendent. But I do know that I do not agree with their position and find their act dispicable.
Sincerely,"
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I doubt this would be happening in our school district, but a standarized test will surely prove it.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/26/newspaper-finds-suspicious-school-test-scores-nationwide/
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Very good, Joe. Thank you!
However, if anyone is feeling petition happy, please feel free to sign this petition seeking to remove IB from American public schools:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/removeibfrompubliceducation/
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Lisa,
On the blog below, Jack Dolce posted under his real name. Maybe you can share your points with him as you are better informed. (Comments - 1 - at the bottom)
http://www.cityandstateny.com/school-daze/
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I just left a little comment for Jackie boy as well. Not sure they'll post it, let me know if guys see it.
J
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J..,
Yours is up! Mine is awaiting moderation.
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I hope Jack comes back and reads the comments. He should realize people are fed up, we've had enough and won't take anymore.
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Well said @ J
I just saw your post addressed to jack!
WTG!
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Jack probably called the paper and begged them not to run any more comments. That's okay. I saved mine and I'll post it here.
March 26, 2012 at 8:12 pm | #
“It’s a sobering time,” he said.”
Indeed it is. It is time that our Superintendents and Boards of Education stop acting like a bunch of drunken sailors using fearmongering tactics and whining about “unfunded mandates” while looting the local taxpayers and holding the children hostage for their bounty.
It is embarrassing beyond belief to read the above comment from my district’s BoE President claiming “local control works best” after having handed over control of LVHS to Geneva, Switzerland, by purchasing International Baccalaureate for the past 10 years to the tune of over $2,000,000. It is even more embarrassing to see in print, his complete and total confusion when it comes to the difference between standards and curriculum. If LVCSD had physically mapped its curriculum grade by grade as it claimed it did years ago, LVCSD would be able to tick off the boxes against the Common Core Standards which we most certainly meet already.
The Common Core Standards are NOT a “new unproven curriculum”. They are broad standards which can be aligned with via various types of curricula. Other than submitting applications for grant money, this gross overreach of Federal government can and should be ignored. The greed of the unions and BoE’s for “free” Federal money is now being used as an excuse to threaten cuts to student programs and bleed the taxpayers dry.
Teachers salaries are completely out of control. The BoE has allowed our district to be run like a country club for far too long. Now, we the people, are going to hold YOU, Mr. Dolce, accountable for the wasteful spending and poor fiscal management of LVCSD, a position you have had influence on for 9 years.
No more excuses. No more trying to blame “unfunded mandates”. Newsweek isn’t going to bail you out on this issue and neither is your “Mandate Madness” petition on Change.org. posted to the LVCSD website paid for by local taxpayers (which I do believe is probably illegal and perhaps the NYS AG might want to take a look at that)
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/parents/advocate_for_mandate_relief
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Lisa,
Very nice post! Well said! Have you tried to post it there and got turned down? You really should try posting it there for the world to see anyway. If they turn you down, then you know and we all know. Oh, click the Facebook and Twitter buttons on that blog will get it into social media for the world to see.
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I saw what was posted on that website, I am gonna post it here for others to see too.
Thankfully the Governor has stepped in and is finally protecting us from our school district and BOE. Sadly our BOE is often mistaken for union representatives not taxpayer representatives.
Our school district has turned into a bloated mess. The junk statistics they provide are no baseline to measure student performance. ANYONE can go to college today, it is not a measure of how well you did in school like years past.
The LVSD lacks a core curriculum and hands out diplomas that aren’t worth the paper they are printed on. Why are they so afraid to let the students take a statewide test and see where they really fall?
The average pay of our teachers is $107K a year for part-time work. Their contract only mandates 3.5 hours of teaching time daily. They only work 183 (part-time) days. Some other facts are as follows.
The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year and did NOT take a raise last year. Our school’s Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and has had her pay increased by $43,000.00 since 2008. That’s around a 17% increase. Has your paycheck gone up 17% since 2008? Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries. Make sure you sitting down, you won’t believe your eyes.
The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $73,776,262.00 and only 2113 students. That equals $34,915.00 for each student in the school system. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children’s expense.
Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. For tier 2 retirees that is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
We are told that we must spend more money to get a quality education. The opposite was shown in the school documentary, “Waiting for Superman”. The quality of education has gone down as the cost of schooling our children has gone up. Regents’ exams and SAT’s are now graded on a curve because students no longer perform to the same level of those years ago.
Jack, you are being put on notice. Step up to the plate for the taxpayer or find a new hobby next year, because you will be voted off the BOE.
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Thank you Joe, and yours was most excellent! Maybe it will show up today. If not, we know it was censored because of mention of International Baccalaureate, as is often the case around the country or because Jack had a hissy fit when he read yours. I was in the middle of composing mine when yours appeared.
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Jack does not worry about the reelection. He and the union are in cahoots. He is counting on the union flexing its muscle like last year.
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Jack's wife is receiving public pension.
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I have bad news for you guys. I went back to the link from yesterday to see if there are new postings:
http://www.cityandstateny.com/school-daze/
If you refresh the page a couple of times, you will see the big NYSUT advertising square banner in the upper right corner, which leads me to wonder how Jack know about this paper to post in the first place. Don't feel bad if yours is censored.
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Joe,
LOL! You should know me better than that! I wear censorship of my posts as a badge of honor. I have learned to take a page shot of my posts as proof that it either was up and taken down or never "approved" in the first place.
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Lisa,
Thank you for the tip. I have to start doing that.
The NYSUT ad on that link says:
Being good neighbors...
Representing their professions...
Changing lives...
IT'S WHAT WE DO
I am sure they have changed our lives.
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(Chief Justice) Roberts said the health plan would "require people who are never going to need pediatric or maternity services to participate in that market."
How about public education?
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Judge Jackie,
While I'm all for privatizing education entirely, the Federal government cannot force you to buy a house, therefore it can't force everyone to pay school taxes. Just like the auto insurance argument, yes, .gov can require you to have auto insurance if you bought/leased a car, but they cannot force you to purchase auto insurance if you don't own/lease a car.
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Lisa,
Good argument but a little flawed because even if you rent, property tax is still passed on to you in some way.
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Judge Jackie,
Unless a tenant is signing a net net lease (usually only in a commercial situation), they are not directly paying property taxes, nor would they receive the tax deduction on their income tax.
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But indirectly, the tenants have to pay. Regardless, school tax is not deductible unless one files itemized deductions. Many seniors may be filing standard deductions.
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The seniors only have themselves to blame. They need to get off their asses and go vote NO!! They have the power to vote down the budget.
The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year. Our school’s Superintendent made $294,000.00 last year, and has
had her pay increased by $43,000.00 since 2008. That’s around a 17% increase. Has your pay gone up 17% since
2008? The Superintendent also gets 24 days’ vacation, and 70 days sick days. Of course the sick days gets turned
into a cash payment if unused.
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $73,776,262.00 and only 2113 students. That equals $34,915.00
for each student in the school system. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically
charge a year, and the district claims they need more. Is this example of greed and waste something we want out
children taught? You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their
pockets at our community and children’s expense.
• The average pay for our teachers is $107,000. a year. Teaching has become a part-time job consisting of only 182
days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. What’s worse is they only teach 3.5 hours a day as per
their contract. A far cry from the same teacher who taught us all day long when we went to school.
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Judge Jackie,
I'm sorry, but your argument does not hold water. What a landlord spends the rent money he/she collects on is irrelevant to the contract (lease) between the landlord and tenant. The tenant agrees to pay a monthly amount in order to live in the premises. Nothing in a lease OR a month to month oral agreement forces a tenant to contribute to property taxes.
Paul,
Maybe if the school didn't hold its Open House on voting day and make parking nearly impossible for the elderly, there would be better turn out. Frankly, I don't understand why the vote isn't held at Village Hall and the Fire House.
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I am sure it is purely coincidence....NOT! I am going to continue volunteering my time to help defeat this years budget. The word is getting out, $107K a year for 3.5 hours of teaching has to end. Is the newest teachers contract available online yet?
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Lisa,
Jack Dolce or LVCSD PR firm must have called the paper, or maybe LVSEA did. It has been more than 24 hours, none of your posts shows up yet.
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Joe,
As I suspected. That's why I posted it here. Good for you for getting your post published. The paper would have looked really bad if it deleted your comment after it had already been published .... heh.
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How many different names is "Paul" posting under? Are you trying to make it look like more people? It's pretty pathetic.
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Anon,
@ How many different names is "Paul" posting under? Are you trying to make it look like more people? It's pretty pathetic.
Whatever it may be, it is fewer than Frank, Michael...
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LOL! How many Anons are posting here? What ridiculous paranoia. WHO CARES? I asked for people to pick a handle and stick with it so that IF a reply is warranted, at least we know who we are responding to. One Anon may not have the same opinion as another Anon, right Jack?
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I rule in favor of Lisa!
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Well if you came down to the lunchenette this week you could have met us. A couple of us have gotten together after getting those fliers on our cars at church. We had no idea the school district and BOE are so out of control. We promised to get more involved and one of the guys is scanning the flier so we can email it to other citizens. I think you will see more people getting involved daily.
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Paul,
And you didn't invite me? Harumph! I'm insulted! You should know I'm ALWAYS in the mood for lunch!
and thank you, Judge Jackie!
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Lisa,
You are welcome!
The following article is talking about retailers in this Internet age but my opinion is that it also applies to our school budgets. We know how much money it takes to run a fine school district. BOE either takes it or leaves it. If it is what we think is reasonable, we say YES; and if not, we will say NO twice.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/28/business/retailers-rush-to-adjust-to-price-smart-shoppers.html
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I will vote YES only if BUDGET INCREASE is NO MORE than last year. No one cares about tax increase, which is dictated by law. Don't play games with us. We all know your numbers now and don't for one minute believe a word LVCSD puts out. Read my lips! I will vote NO as many times as I need to.
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There should be a tax cut not even a slight increase should be acceptable. The BOE needs to learn how to negotiate a contract with the teachers and stop handing over our childrens future. The school district has plenty of money with or without mandates and doesn't need a dime more. Like it said on the flyer I got on my car.
The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year. Our school’s Superintendent made $294,000.00 last year, and has
had her pay increased by $43,000.00 since 2008. That’s around a 17% increase. Has your pay gone up 17% since
2008? The Superintendent also gets 24 days’ vacation, and 70 days sick days. Of course the sick days gets turned
into a cash payment if unused.
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $73,776,262.00 and only 2113 students. That equals $34,915.00
for each student in the school system. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically
charge a year, and the district claims they need more. Is this example of greed and waste something we want out
children taught? You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their
pockets at our community and children’s expense.
• The average pay for our teachers is $107,000. a year. Teaching has become a part-time job consisting of only 182
days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. What’s worse is they only teach 3.5 hours a day as per
their contract. A far cry from the same teacher who taught us all day long when we went to school. Go to
http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries.
• Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the
taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout a teacher will make
an additional $2,154,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $55,000 + Health Insurance 30 years @ $16,800.)
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HUGE VICTORY IN NEW HAMPSHIRE TODAY!!!!!!
NH HB 1403 Passes 209-102
http://www.nhliberty.org/bills/view/2012/HB1403
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT3DDsSZ39U&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl6Isbrwayg&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLRrxe-R1d4&feature=channel
My many thanks to NH Reps Seth Cohn, Greg Hill and Laurie Pettengill and most of all my patriot friends Ann Marie and Jane who lobbied relentlessly to get this passed. I personally traveled to NH last October to expose the outrageous expense and international regulations affiliated with IB, before this legislation was introduced.
You can laugh at me all you want here in LVCSD. It sure is nice to be vindicated by a State Legislature, even if it's not in NY, that parents should have the CHOICE to attend a non-IB school at no extra cost. This should also make public school districts in NH, at least, consider how many students they may lose to surrounding districts if they decide to give up local control of their schools to IB!
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Paul,
You are right on the money. No one is making this up (see link). BOE settled the contract AFTER the 2% tax cap went into law. Now they are telling me they don't have enough money and wanted to go over the cap? Doesn't he have an MBA and also a self proclaimed finacial planner? Don't we have a Goldman Sachs guy on BOE? Why can't they do 6th grade math?
Board Actions December 14, 2011
"He (Jack Dolce) stated that if the current budget is “rolled over” to the next year, there will still be a $3.4 million budget gap, largely due to increases in pension, health care and contractual costs."
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_Actions/Dec_2011.pdf
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It is very easy to correct the budget process. Turn the balance sheet upside down. Meaning, list yourfixed costs that you can't and allocate money for for them. Whatever is left over you have for teachers salaries. Of course the pension costs are going up. The pension system wasn't designed around 6 figure salaries. The contracts should have been re-negotiated and irregardles contracts are broken every day. What is the union going to do? Sue the taxpayers?
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Way to go Lisa, our day will come here too.
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Paul,
I agree with you. Jack Dolce said "a $3.4 million budget gap, largely due to increases in pension, health care and contractual costs" but increase in pension cost is no surprise to anyone, it should have been anticipated when they sign the contract AFTER the tax cap went into law. We all know health insurance is going up and that should be no surprise either. Finally, the contractual cost - that is what is called RAISE. Didn't he say there is no raise in the settlement announcement? I guess BOE has a different definition for RAISE.
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Thanks Alex. Of course, now it has to pass the NH Senate, a more difficult hurdle.
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/320352/house-votes-to-repeal-rggi?CSAuthResp=1333018928%3Arlo58rug6spkbju114lo3lg296%3ACSUserId%7CCSGroupId%3Aapproved%3A9FF0B456ACBA643A9147AF3701A5046F&CSUserId=29355&CSGroupId=1#comment-224959
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Lisa,
Who cares?
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Anon, we care because it shows there is some hope out there, rather than all dopes. You would care too if you lived in this school district and paid our excessive school taxes. Instead you just line your pockets with them.
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Alex,
I said who cares because I don't see any hope. Last year our veteran BOE stood up for not granting excessive contract to the union, see what happened to them? They were thrown under the bus. As a result, the new BOE led by Jack Dolce all kiss up to the union (like posting on union paper site directing the attention and blame on unfunded mandates instead). The union has national organization support, has phone bank which they pulled out last year. We are owned by them. I don't see anyway out of this.
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Here is another proof taht Jack Dolce aligned himself with the union by posting on the union paper blog, redirecting attention from excessive contract to unfunded mandate. Didn't he tell us before 80% of our budget was to pay for salary and benefits? See the link below from the same site he posted and decide yourself whether it is a union paper or not.
http://www.cityandstateny.com/tag/nysut/page/2/
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Something appears to blocking Jack's objectivity and making him favor the unions over the taxpayers. But I have been discussing that flyer that shows teh schools excess, like teachers salaries at $107K average per year and people are mad. Very few had an idea how bad it is, but we can educate more. I can email you the flyer for distribution and you can let others know what is going on. We need very few votes to turn the budget down. Email me at savebayville@yahoo.com and I'll send you the flier.
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Anon,
Who cares? Oh, I dunno. I think a LOT of people care. And the IB issue isn't clear cut when it comes to the political position of teacher unions. For example, in California, teachers opposed IB:
http://redondobeach.patch.com/articles/50-redondo-union-teachers-say-no-to-ib
And the Chicago teacher's union isn't exactly ecstatic with Rahmbo deadfish's IB expansion plans:
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Teachers-Union-Criticizes-Plan-To-Keep-Middle-Class-144646485.html
IB divides communities. From where I sit, the left-wing teacher's union is seriously confused when it comes to economics. They don't seem to understand that they are putting more and more of their jobs at risk by endorsing wasteful spending on IB. I've been looking at the "big" picture for a long time, now.
So yes, people care.
http://truthaboutib.com/breakingibnewsviews.html
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Lisa,
I respect your view point although it is different from mine. I share the Ronald Reagan's point of view, which is no matter how much money you give to the Government (LVCSD is Government because it has taxing authority), they will find a way to spend it and want more. The only way to control them is not to give them all the money they want. Once we have the budget under control, then we can deal with the other issues, like IB or something else.
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Anon,
The point you are missing is this legislation ties the money to the child. If we could get similar legislation passed in NY (which of course is highly unlikely), if an LVCSD parent didn't want their child in IB, they could request enrollment in OB-EN or Jericho and the $36,000 attached to that child in LVCSD would have to be forked over to the non-IB district.
LVCSD enrollment is DOWN significantly. All of the pompous claims that IB would bring private school students to LVHS in "droves" has failed to come to pass. Legislation like HB 1403 would further deprive an IB district of funds and give parents the CHOICE of enrolling their child in a public school which does not cowtow to an international authority.
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Anon,
I agree 100% that WE THE PEOPLE need to say NO MORE to the out of control taxes. I'm pretty sure I've been a VOTE NO advocate for many years. You may want to just target the teacher's union, and I'm not defending the teacher's union, but there is a whole range of wasteful spending going on. I have demonstrated how IB has cost LVCSD $2,000,000+. Now if you don't think $2M is a lot of money, well, ok, but to not include cutting IB as a cost saving measure is not using all of the fiscal facts at your disposal for ammunition.
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Lisa,
This is a very healthy discussion. Didn't Mr. BOE, a frequent poster here on this blog, told us $ is a drop in the bucket? My bucket is almost empty now so any drop of savings counts. I don't like to see our kids have the option to go to Jericho because we may have to fork our tax dollars to them, which has the HIGHEST per student cost with LVCSD being #2 in Nassau County. I have no objection to send ALL our kids to other district because it is cheaper anywhere else - including Driver's Ed.
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Anon,
Jericho has a swimming pool and a swim team.
I don't quite follow your logic. I'm also wondering if LVCSD rolled Drivers Ed into the General Fund because it is trying to claim it constitutes "curriculum". Whatever the case, this district seems hellbent on mixing its metaphors and playing semantics while redistributing the wealth to the union, the children and the taxpayers be damned.
Ugh - I can't stand those captcha verifications, how annoying!
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I would like to congratulate the LV Parents Council for following through on the elementary science fair I had founded and chaired in Bayville for two years and making it an annual event. I see LVCSD is proud to feature this on its website, (as though the BoE or Superintendent had anything to do with it). I know first hand the amount of time and energy it takes to pull off a successful event like this for the students.
The odd thing is, WHY should the PARENTS be responsible for providing this sort of opportunity? Where is the leadership from our public schools? And WHY hasn't the Bayville PTA bothered to continue what I started?
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/
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The PTA seems to be a bunch of mindless zombies. Just intent on believing anything fed them.
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Lisa,
Last year the teachers were handing out flyers saying why they deserve a better contract AT the LVI science on school properties during school event.
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They wouldn't have dared to do that at MY science fairs. But I have to say, Margaret Neal and Doug Barry volunteered many, many, hours of their time to assist me over several months. They received no stipends and were so helpful to the students.
So not ALL of the teachers in LVCSD are union thugs. It's a shame that wonderful teachers like Margaret and Doug get tarred by the actions of others.
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That sounds like the "ilk" that now calls themselves teachers. You can print and hand out my flyer if you like. Let me know and I can email it. No one can argue with these facts!!Here's a snipit
The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year. Our school’s Superintendent made $294,000.00 last year, and has
had her pay increased by $43,000.00 since 2008. That’s around a 17% increase. Has your pay gone up 17% since
2008? The Superintendent also gets 24 days’ vacation, and 70 days sick days. Of course the sick days gets turned
into a cash payment if unused.
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $73,776,262.00 and only 2113 students. That equals $34,915.00
for each student in the school system. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically
charge a year, and the district claims they need more. Is this example of greed and waste something we want out
children taught? You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their
pockets at our community and children’s expense.
• The average pay for our teachers is $107,000. a year. Teaching has become a part-time job consisting of only 182
days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. What’s worse is they only teach 3.5 hours a day as per
their contract. A far cry from the same teacher who taught us all day long when we went to school. Go to
http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries.
• Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the
taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout a teacher will make
an additional $2,154,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $55,000 + Health Insurance 30 years @ $16,800.)
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LVHS Alum Named Valedictorian at C.W. Post
Locust Valley High School alum Sean Simensky has been named the Class of 2012 Valedictorian at LI University, C.W. Post Campus. Sean has maintained a 3.99 GPA, and has earned the LIU Post Academic Achievement Award, the university’s highest honor.
Sean, who plans to attend law school in the fall, received an IB Diploma from Locust Valley High School. He graduated from C.W. Post a full semester early due to the college credits he received from taking AP and IB courses at LVHS. Sean said the IB program helped him work within deadlines, and think of things in a global way, rather than a local way – a way of thinking that gave him one step ahead in college.
“I have great memories from high school,” Sean said. “I had such a great experience and still remember the dedication of my teachers.” He said the incredible teachers he had in Locust Valley made an impact on him and he credits them with helping him to succeed.
As a History major, with a double minor in Political Science and Sociology, Sean is well prepared for law school. He has already been accepted to, and received a scholarship from, Touro Law School, and is waiting to hear from St. John’s and Hofstra. He currently has an internship at a law firm since he completed his degree requirements in December.
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Congratulations Sean. The Simenskys are an upstanding, longtime Bayville family.
And not to be a "Negative Nellie", but I have a problem with this post being posted by "Anon".
It would be one thing if Sean's parents were proud of their son and wished to share his success with the Bayville Blog. I would think they would sign their name to the post. I think that would be fine.
HOWEVER - if Pam Kaplan or one of LVCSD's BoE members is USING this student's status to promote the LVCSD agenda WITHOUT Sean's permission, well, THAT is disgusting!
So please identify yourself, Anon. Because I will find out from Mike who you are, who Sean spoke that quote to and whether or not you have Sean's permission to post the above on the Bayville Blog without providing a SOURCE.
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Who cares?
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LVJ,
Maybe anyone interested in quid pro quo?
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Congrats to Sean, but to credit locust valley with this is nonsense. Anyone who teaches knows that top students are born and not made. I have never known a top student not to give kudos to his teachers. Because good students like to learn and automatically feel a gratitude to their teachers even though they didn't program the students genetic code.
Can we also hear from all the other sudents who got their IB and are now working at Stop& Shop.
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Gee, I don't see NY among the states seeking to withdraw from the Common Core Standards ....... get on it, will ya Jack?
http://truthinamericaneducation.com/uncategorized/arne-duncan-junked-common-core/
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Subject: Press Release. Henderson County North Republcans condemn UN Agenda 21
Press Release
Henderson County Republican Party
Hendersonville, NC 28739
Contact: Mike Scruggs, Henderson County Republican Chairman
828-606-9533
On March 15, the Henderson County Republican Executive Committee passed a resolution endorsing the Republican National Committee’s condemnation of United Nations Agenda 21, also called “Sustainable Development.” The Henderson County Republican resolution passed by unanimous consent at its Executive Committee meeting held on March 15. The principal objections to United Nations Agenda 21, more commonly known in the United States as “Sustainable Development,” are that its unconstitutional supra-national agenda threatens U.S. sovereignty and the Constitutional Rights of American citizens and state and local governments, that it is inimical to private property rights and the American tradition of individual choice in family, housing and transportation decisions, that it is extreme in its social engineering and departure from American ideals of justice., and that it is fiscally irresponsible and a deceptive burden to unsuspecting local governments and taxpayers.
The Republican National Committee Resolution is quoted below:
“WHEREAS, the United Nations Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of extreme environmentalism, social engineering and global political control, that was initiated
at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in 1992; and,
WHEREAS, the United Nations Agenda 21 is being covertly pushed into local communities throughout the United States of America through the International Council of Local Environmental Initiatives (ICLEI) through local “sustainable development” policies such as Smart Growth, Wildlands Project, Resilient Cities, Regional Visioning Projects, and other “Green” or “Alternative” projects; and,
WHEREAS, this United Nations Agenda 21 plan of radical so-called “sustainable development” views the American way of life of private property ownership, single family homes, private car ownership and individual travel choices, and privately owned farms; all as destructive to the environment; and,
WHEREAS, according to the United Nations Agenda 21 policy, social justice is described as the right and opportunity of all people to benefit equally from the resources afforded us by society and the environment which would be accomplished by socialist/communist redistribution of wealth; and,
WHEREAS, according to the United Nations Agenda 21 policy National sovereignty is deemed a social injustice; now therefore be
RESOLVED, the Republican National Committee recognizes the destructive and insidious nature of United Nations Agenda 21 and hereby exposes to the public and public policy makers the dangerous intent of the plan; and therefore be it further
RESOLVED , that the U.S. government and no state or local government is legally bound by the
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RESOLVED , that the U.S. government and no state or local government is legally bound by the United Nations Agenda 21 treaty in that it has never been endorsed by the (U.S.) Senate, and therefore be it further RESOLVED, that the federal and state and local governments across the country be well informed of the underlying harmful implications of implementation of United Nations Agenda 21 destructive strategies for “sustainable development” and we hereby endorse rejection of its radical policies and rejection of any grant monies attached to it. RESOLVED, that the federal and state and local governments across the country be well informed of the underlying harmful implications of implementation of United Nations Agenda 21 destructive strategies for “sustainable development” and we hereby endorse rejection of its radical policies and rejection of any grant monies attached to it." Mike Scruggs Henderson County Republican Chairman 828-606-9533
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I understand Washington Stare and Tennessee are also disenchanted with Common Core Standard.
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Really? Do you have any facts to back up that statement?
http://www.corestandards.org/in-the-states
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Here is one. A Hofstra professor discussing Race to the Top and the particular problems in Tennessee. These types of articles are all over the internet if you are interested. Lisa posted Utah
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-singer/race-to-the-top-mandates-_b_1105092.html
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Another.
http://www.brookings.edu/reports/2012/0216_brown_education_loveless.aspx
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But this other Hofstra professor has a different view:
http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=597458&all=true
From students
This guy is horrible! He never showed up to class, no sylabus, or contact method! By far the worst marketing professor at Hofstra, stay away!
This guy is a joke!!!he is a SLACKER!!!he doesn't have a syllabus, no contact methods, does not response to e-mails, shows up once a month to teach the class, does not tell you the class is cancelled.One take home tesT a week(SUPPOSELY),just follow the book and you'll be alright.
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Jack is red chili pepper "hot"??
ROTFLMAO!
Shouldn't these "Profs" be prohibited from rating themselves?
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So it is not the state that has a problem. It is a social studies teacher from LI stating that a principal has one. The bottom line is that our schoold district DOES NOT need anymore money. No matter where it comes from. They have too much already and spend it like a bunch of drunks. You don't think $35K a student is enough and teachers working part-time making a $145K a year is enough.
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So it is not the state that has a problem. It is a social studies teacher from LI stating that a principal has one. The bottom line is that our schoold district DOES NOT need anymore money. No matter where it comes from. They have too much already and spend it like a bunch of drunks. You don't think $35K a student is enough and teachers working part-time making a $145K a year is enough.
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Alex,
You did not include the $35,000 extra per teacher for FRINGE benefits (health and retirement).
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STOP AND TAX AND SPEND MADNESS ....and Help Preserve the Quality of LIFE in Locust Valley (and Bayville, who cares about Brookville)!
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/parents/advocate_for_mandate_relief
Call or write to all NYS elected and appointed officials and let them know we want NO NEW TAXES FROM LVCSD!
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Anyone who signs that petition is a FOOL! The LVCSD is lying to you about the cost of "unfunded mandates".
SAVE OUR COMMUNITIES!
STOP THE LVCSD PONZI SCHEME!
VOTE NO TWICE!
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"the IB program helped him work within deadlines, and think of things in a global way, rather than a local way ..."
Yes, C.W. Post sure is a "global" experience! Nothing "local" about attending a university that geographically partially lies within the LVCSD boundaries, no sirree.
In fact, I wonder how many LVHS IB students have actually enrolled in a foreign university over the past 8 years? [crickets chirping]
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Locust is feeding us a lie. The school's performance is in the low 60% percentile. Look at where our students fall when you compare their Regents scores with other schools. We are horrible.
We are told that our school system is the best, but our teacher’s union won’t let our students take a standardized test
to prove it. The “myth” that they must teach to the test is nothing more than that, “a myth”. A properly educated
student can take any test put before them. What are the teachers afraid the tests will show?
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Yes, let's compare Regent scores to other schools.
Newsday has the chart below. Of over 100 school districts on LI
LV #1 in Regents Diploma. 99% -- Nassau Average 92%
LV #7 in Advanced Regent Diploma 78% -- Nassau average 60%
LV #11 in Math 97% (OMG higher then Lisa's beloved Jericho) Nassau average 91%
Sean, you lose all credibility when you just make things up.
LV TALKE ALL THE STANDARDIZED TESTS AND EXCEL WHEN COMPARED WITH OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE STATE.
Document your statements as I did. Document that LV'S Regents scores are horrible when compared to other schools. The information is public, so document it.
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/education/table-of-2009-2010-school-report-cards-1.2695644
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WHAT TYPE OF PEOPLE WOULD USE YOUR
CHILDREN TO EXTORT MONEY FROM YOU?
SADLY THE PEOPLE WE ENTRUST TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN AND OUR VERY
OWN ELECTED BOARD OF EDUCATION. TELL THE TEACHERS AND THEIR UNION
THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN ENOUGH MONEY TO RUN THE
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Here is the official link from Post. Please show me where it says about a "global" experience.
http://www.liu.edu/CWPost/Community-and-Culture.aspx
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Right. It DOESN'T! I was referring to the post by Anon:
http://bayvilleblog.com/2011/09/10/locust-valley-central-school-district.aspx#comment-16720317
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Alex and others,
It's very simple. On Super Tuesday, let's make sure that all of our seniors, our unemployed, our underemployed and most especially our graduating HS seniors have transportation to the voting booths. Anyone who needs a ride, give me a shout and I will be happy to drive you to your polling location.
Poll watchers are also necessary to make sure LVCSD shills aren't voting as dead people - there are still many on the rolls.
VOTE NO TWICE!
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Attn All Parents,
Before you sign any release for LVCSD to use your children's name and photo for any press release and propaganda, you better be sure you are on the look out for your children's well being. It is recommended that you do not sign a blank release with no expiration date.
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Excellent point. And all IB students should be aware that any IB work submitted to IB for assessment becomes IB's intellectual property to be used for any purpose IB deems appropriate:
http://ibo.org/become/guidance/documents/DPRulesforIBWorldSchools_e_FINALFILE.pdf
9.3 From time to time, candidate material will include assessment tasks that have been created by
teachers within the terms of their contract of employment and that are the copyright of the school. By
submitting such material, the school is granting to the IB Organization a non-exclusive, charge-free,
worldwide licence, for the duration of the statutory copyright protection, to reproduce submitted
materials in any medium for assessment, educational, training and/or promotional purposes relating
to the IB Organization’s activities, or to those related activities of which it approves
HOWEVER - there is a form where an IB student can submit a "request" for copyright of their own papers (maybe LVCSD HAS BEEN TOO BUSY WORRYING ABOUT UNFUNDED MANDATES TO MAKE THIS AVAILABLE TO THE STUDENTS)
http://xmltwo.ibo.org/publications/DP/Group0/d_0_dpyyy_vmx_1009_1/pdf/Exclusivecopyright_e.pdf
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Sean,
Yes, as you state let's compare LV Regent scores to other schools. What we find out is LV is among the very best and #1 in Regent Diplomas, and higher than Jericho in math.
Brian wrote:
Yes, let's compare Regent scores to other schools.
Newsday has the chart below. Of over 100 school districts on LI
LV #1 in Regents Diploma. 99% -- Nassau Average 92%
LV #7 in Advanced Regent Diploma 78% -- Nassau average 60%
LV #11 in Math 97% (OMG higher then Lisa's beloved Jericho) Nassau average 91%
Sean, you lose all credibility when you just make things up.
LV TALKE ALL THE STANDARDIZED TESTS AND EXCEL WHEN COMPARED WITH OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE STATE.
Document your statements as I did. Document that LV'S Regents scores are horrible when compared to other schools. The information is public, so document it.
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/education/table-of-2009-2010-school-report-cards-1.2695644
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Good job, Anonymous! Show them the numbers so they can kowtow to you!
"LV TALKE ALL THE STANDARDIZED TESTS AND EXCEL WHEN COMPARED WITH OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE STATE."
Below is a public Newsday link for the 8th Grade English test but I cannot find Locust Valley or Bayville on the list. How come?
http://longisland.newsday.com/schools/rankings.php?id=tests--English-8
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Wow.....LV does much better in English. We are only 22 down on the list.
http://longisland.newsday.com/schools/rankings.php?id=regents--English-4
Everytime one of the LV staff tries to bull shit the public they only come out looking worse. You people should just take the money and run, hide in shame. Because the facts don'st support your salary.
Are we still paying Benstock $117K a year to sit this class year out?
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Yes, the real scores are posted and LV ranks among the best schools on LI.
Even when you try and use 3 year old data LV is near the top.
For the last three years:
LV HAS RANKED #1 IN REGENTS GRADUATION RATES
LV HAS RANKED IN THE TOP 10% OF REGENTS GRADUATION WITH DISTINCTION
End of story.
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I THINK THE PROBLEM HERE IS NOT THE TEACHERS BEING OVERPAID BUT THAT YOU ARE ALL UNDERPAID. DO YOU GUYS HATE ALL PEOPLE THAT MAKE 100K + A YEAR OR JUST THE TEACHERS THAT TEACH YOUR KIDS AND HAVE TO TOLERATE THE PARENTS?
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We don't hate teachers, just the phoney imposters that have filled the teaching positions over the years. We miss actual teachers and wish you and your gold digging ilk would slime back under a rock where you belong. What's the matter, don't like it when the real scores are posted for our students? You people will reap what you sow. The public is on to your greed. Did you see the fliers going around? Well I did and now my eyes are open.
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Where is "Anonymous"? I am waiting for the answer. Oh, is it after 3:15? Time to go home?
"LV TALKE ALL THE STANDARDIZED TESTS AND EXCEL WHEN COMPARED WITH OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE STATE."
Lisa, what time does the contract say they can go home?
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Me? Why are you asking me? LOL!
I don't know, I don't care, go pull down their underwear!
Oh wait, that's what Benstock ALLEGEDLY did .... Hmmm, I wonder what the ultimate legal fees and "settlement" cost will be to taxpayers (assuming he goes the same route as Mr. Franks, should be in the $500,000 range or higher .....don't forget, his WIFE is still employed in LVCSD, land of "family" values ......)
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Oh, the old game is being played again. We used to hear "EXCEL WHEN COMPARED WITH OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE STATE" but then we told them that we don't want to be compared with the rest of the State. We want to be compared with other schools on Long Island or our neighboring schools. Get it? We have been through this already. Try something new please.
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So what about IB exams? Does that mean they can take what’s written as an answer on the exam and use it for any purpose they want?
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Hi Anon,
Thank you for taking an interest in the info I posted. I'm sure most parents and most IB students are not aware that a student's hard work and research can be co-opted by IBO. The full Diploma students create an Extended Essay (EE) (4,000 words). This EE can be on any subject. Let's say your student creates an EE which develops a math formula or scientific concept beyond what is common knowledge. Or a social studies paper which embraces a certain political position. Once those EE's are submitted to IBO for assessment, they become the intellectual property of IBO. Art work?IBO can "anonymize" the content of that EE or artwork and:
"reproduce submitted materials in any medium for assessment, educational, training and/or promotional purposes relating to the IB Organization’s activities, or to those related activities of which it approves."
So, if you don't want to see your child's IB artwork used in promoting the UN's Rio 20, IB brochures, etc .... be sure to file the copyright form I provided with Mr. B.
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I agree with CHASE!
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Even if there are unfunded mandates, there still has to be enough money left so the kids don’t have to lose out.
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For the last three years LV has the highest Regents graduation in the state and ranks in the top 5% of Regents graduation with distinction.
Not to mention the top 1/2 of 1% schools nationally.
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Locust is feeding us a lie. The school's performance is in the low 60% percentile. Look at where our students fall when you compare their Regents scores with other schools. We are horrible.
We are told that our school system is the best, but our teacher’s union won’t let our students take a standardized test
to prove it. The “myth” that they must teach to the test is nothing more than that, “a myth”. A properly educated
student can take any test put before them. What are the teachers afraid the tests will show?
Wow.....LV does much better in English. We are only 22 down on the list.
http://longisland.newsday.com/schools/rankings.php?id=regents--English-4
Everytime one of the LV staff tries to bull shit the public they only come out looking worse. You people should just take the money and run, hide in shame. Because the facts don't support your salary.
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What documentation. Thank you Sean. Three year old tests showing LV 22 among 115 schools or in the top 18%.
I like best the summary stat.
LV number 1 in regents high school graduations 99%, the last three years, and top 5% in the state and 10% in the county in advanced regents diplomas.
Of course top1/2 of 1% of high schools in the country isn't bad either and all this documented.
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And to top that, LVCSD is #2 in Per Student Cost in Nassau County, only behind Jericho. I guess we have some catch up to do and it won't take long because EVEN Jericho is cutting back.
I know you always ask for source to back it up. Here you go:
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/view.php?schdist=district&county=28&year=2011
On another note, No we do not hate anyone who makes over $100K but that's the whole myth. Teachers don't just make $100K, they are different from a person making $100K in the private sector in the following way:
1. Life time health insurance
2. Defined benefit retirement (stock market goes down, taxpaypers have to pony up to make up the difference)
3. Steps and Lanes forever increase as protected by the Triborough Amendment
4. 82% of health insurace paid by taxpapers
5. Required to work 185 days a year, the work day ends at 3:15 (yes, they do start about one hour early than most)
If you calculate the above, they are getting paid FOUR times the nominal rate of $100K a year.
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How much debt does LVCSD currently have on the books? According to the legal documents, LVCSD owes $23,780,000 + $6,190,000 = $29,970,000. Look at the balloon maturity, it is scary. Where are we going to get the money to pay for it? More taxes?
http://www.bondbuyer.com/pdfs/1116NY_Locust1110.pdf
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To the folks behind the flier - please explain what you mean by:
"our teachers won't let our students take a standardized test to prove it"
This sort of statement discredits the rest of the flier. We have the NYS elementary ELA, Math and Science standardized exams, at the HS level there are the Regents exams. If LVHS bothered to embrace AP, we would have college-level standardized exams for HS students. In fact, the amount of time, especially at the elementary level, spent prepping for the NYS standardized exams borders on abuse, especially for the more advanced students.
If our teachers were guided to spend more time TEACHING an actual CURRICULUM such as http://www.coreknowledge.org/ instead of pushing "cooperative learning" and drilling to take a specific style of NYS test, our students would be attaining INDIVIDUAL KNOWLEDGE which would enable them to perform well on ANY sort of exam, be it true-false, multiple choice, fill in the blank or essay!
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Lisa,
Then explain to me why I cannot find Locust Valley or Bayville on this list?
http://longisland.newsday.com/schools/rankings.php?id=tests--English-8
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Interesting. Well, besides the fact that I don't trust Newsday to report anything in an unbiased and accurate fashion (and I don't subscribe so I can't compare offhand if Newsday reported the following) but LVMS administered the NYS Social Studies assessment for 8th graders last year:
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2009-10/CIR-2010-280503060002.pdf
Let me know if Newsday ranked all of the other schools on the SS and 2nd language proficiency assessments, please.
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Lisa,
You are missing the point. It does not matter LVCSD ranks high or low. The fact is that $35K Per Student Per Year is simply not acceptable.
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Anonymous,
Hey! Don't get testy (get it? Testy?) with me! I agree with you that the budget and taxes are out of control. But if you want to be taken seriously, you cannot go around making blanker statements such as:
"our teachers won't let our students take a standardized test to prove it"
It is quite obvious that LVCSD teachers DO have LVCSD students take a variety of standardized tests. That you chose to focus on one particular standardized test that apparently was NOT administered and paint all of the teachers as having some sort of standardized exam phobia, is unfair.
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tesTEE? No way! The problem is that there are so many "Anon", "anon", "Anonymous", and "anonymous". You probably confused me with those behind the flyers. I have to clarify that I have absolutely nothing to do with the flyers and I don't care whether you or anyone else take me seriously. I don't have a doctorate degree (but I did graduate from college), I don't have an MBA, I never worked at Goldman Sachs (Wonderland?), and I am not a certified teacher. However, I do know Cold Spring Harbor is a very good school district and one of our Board member is a teacher there. It behooves me to ask why Cold Spring Harbor Per Student Cost is only $27K. Don't they have special ed? Don't they have curriculum? Don't they have unfunded mandate?
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CSH is a very good school district. They don't have IB!
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ugh, no edit feature
That should be "blanket" not "blanker
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Here's a question for LVCSD. Why doesn't our HS promote the taking of SAT II subject exams? Why doesn't LVHS recommend students take the ACT in addition to the SAT I? If our district REALLY wants LV students to compete with the BEST students across the United States for admission into top universities, these recommendations should be standard fare.
We have great kids. We have beautiful facilities. We have safe, terrific communities. We also have parents who want the BEST for their children and families who have been willing to extend themselves to help the schools provide those things. Yet time after time we get kicked in the face and treated like annoying gnats with unlimited bank accounts.
Enough is enough. VOTE NO for a 0% increase!
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I wonder where LVHS ranks among U.S. IB high schools? [crickets chirping]
BWAHAHAHAHA!
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Lisa,
Here is the line by line budget from Malvern with a 1.06% budget to budget increase. What do you think?
http://www.malverne.k12.ny.us/1802105111047720/lib/1802105111047720/_files/2.27__Proposed_budget.pdf
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Well, I see Malverne budgeted $250,000 for APPR and RTI and approx. $50,000 for curriculum writing (mostly in English and Math). I also notice Malverne funds an actual summer school, not summer rec.
Funny how those "unfunded mandates" LVCSD is whining about costing $2.1M only cost $300,000 in Malverne. LVCSD has always packed $50,000 in the budget for curriculum writing.
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Lisa,
Thank you for your insight. With the mild winter, all the municipalities saved tons (millions) of money in snow removal and heating. LIPA and National Grid recently announced rate reduction. Do you know if LVCSD spent less than budgeted like everyone else? How much did the energy performance bond saved us energy - and money? Do you know if it is reported anywhere? Are we going to get a tax refund?
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Your best bet would probably be to contact Henry Alilionis regarding energy costs for the district. Whatever savings we may have seen because of the mild winter are sure to be erased once the EPA's restrictions on coal fired electrical plants go into effect and our electrical bills will "necessarily skyrocket".
Perhaps LVCSD should install a windmill outside of Central Admin and make use of all of the hot air being generated.
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tesTEE? No way! The problem is that there are so many "Anon", "anon", "Anonymous", and "anonymous". You probably confused me with those behind the flyers. I have to clarify that I have absolutely nothing to do with the flyers and I don't care whether you or anyone else take me seriously. I don't have a doctorate degree (but I did graduate from college), I don't have an MBA, I never worked at Goldman Sachs (Wonderland?), and I am not a certified teacher. However, I do know Cold Spring Harbor is a very good school district and one of our Board member is a teacher there. It behooves me to ask why Cold Spring Harbor Per Student Cost is only $27K. Don't they have special ed? Don't they have curriculum? Don't they have unfunded mandate?
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Maybe they have a BOE who understands how to prepare a budget and taxpayers not dumb enough to vote yes when the average teachers pay is $107K a year and they only teach 3.5 hours a day.
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Yes, I think for sure they have a BOE that truly understands budget but then they don't have Budget Queens, who call people and tell them to vote YES. These two Budget Queens are just as guilty.
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Badda bing!
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Actually the explanation is rather straightforward. The data taken from NYS report card for the 2009/10 school year. It is helpful to look at three north shore districts with like graduation rates. CSH, LV and Jericho all have 99% graduation rates.
The analysis breaks out cost per student which is always, because of economics of scale, a disadvantage to small organizations just like total cost is a disadvantage to large organizations, into two categories: General Education Students and Special Needs and handicapped.
general education students special needs combined
CSH cost per student $16,307 $29,531 $27k
LV 16, 861 37,607 30k
Jericho 18,325 52,449 32k
The average cost to educate general needs students is about the same for CSH and LV. The difference is LV for whatever reason spends more on special needs and handicapped children. Jericho spends more on average for both general education and special needs
Now if the analysis was on total cost the ranking of CSH and LV would be low. That is why an honest analysts considers average cost and total cost.
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Dennis,
Welcome! This is the FIRST time I see you post here. You just made my day! You know why? You just demonstrated the FACT that we should CONSOLIDATE school districts! I am sure with "which is always, because of economics of scale, a disadvantage to small organizations just like total cost is a disadvantage to large organizations", can you imagine if we MERGE with Oyster Bay and Cold Spring Harbor the kind of savings we would achieve? We can easily bring the per student cost down to below $14K like Rockville Center, which ONLY has 3,538 students.
Hey Dennis, if you are BOE, just lay off posting here because the more you argue, the worse you make it look.
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The reality is an average cost of $35K a year per student at Locust Valley. St. Dom's cost $8,400. a year.
Take out the cost to educate the special ed kids and the cost is still way to high.
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Dennis,
You like analysis, I will give you some numners to regurgitate. I will give you two fine schools to look at, one IB and two AP, all have Per Student Cost being in the mid $20K;s vs . East Williston is a little smaller than Locust Valley. We are FAR ahead of everyone including school district that is smaller than ours.
Manhasset AP $27,840 3,013 students
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/FIS-2011-280406030000.pdf
East Williston AP $26,927 1,770 students
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/FIS-2011-280402030000.pdf
Rockville Center IB $24,643 3,538 students
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/FIS-2011-280221030000.pdf
Locust Valley $30,778 2,202 students
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/FIS-2011-280503060000.pdf
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So according to Anonymous, not a single child with special needs takes even a single IB course?
But I thought 80% of LVHS students take at least one IB course according to LVHS propaganda.
Stop this nonsense of trying to blame children with special needs as the reason our budget is out of control. It's disgusting.
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Dennis,
I meant three fine schools other than Locust Valley to compare. I was going to give two but than changed to three.
Paul,
You are right. We used to hear the cost of Special Ed is what is driving up the numbers but the fact is even taking out the Special Ed component, we are still higher than all other districts with the only exception of Jericho, which is now cutting back in a big way so they may come in below us on a per student basis this year.
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Why don't we use REAL numbers like $35K a year.
Locust Valley school district has a budget of $73,776,262.00 and only 2113 students. That equals $34,915.00
for each student in the school system.
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WOW!!!
Last, First, Middle Annual Pay
Pay
Year
Title
Teseo, Robert F $152,328.52 2011 Math
Dantuono, Mark J $145,132.48 2011 GYM
Ethe, David J $145,060.47 2011 Social Studies
Hoppner, Christopher J $144,234.68 2011 Science
Margiotta, William R $143,625.36 2011 Music
Rogin, James K $142,621.72 2011 Social Studies
Cannone, Edward M $142,257.72 2011 English
Green, Rachel B $142,058.56 2011 Foreign Language
Mulstay, Mary J $142,046.28 2011 Individual Needs
Mc Andrew, Daniel P $140,198.10 2011 GYM
Cagney, Monica A $135,598.68 2011 4th Grade
Craig, Catherine H $135,300.80 2011 Speech
Gould, Kenneth J $134,716.60 2011 Science
Fuggini, Francis L $133,959.12 2011 Science
Palmer, Elaine M $133,517.66 2011 5th Grade
Aragonesi, Joseph $131,840.46 2011 Enrichment
Kane, Kathleen P $130,975.36 2011 Reading
Buonaspina, Robert $130,642.80 2011 International Bacul
Gordon, Carlyn R $130,413.96 2011 GYM
Miller, Maribeth $130,049.41 2011 GYM
Gurzynski, Walter B $129,475.48 2011 Science
Hendrickson, Mary R $129,364.43 2011 Social Studies
Crici, Vincent D $128,905.64 2011 Music
Murray, Patricia A $128,725.05 2011 Individual Needs
Collins, Carolyn J $128,627.08 2011 GYM
Bender, Denise L $128,548.04 2011 Music
Harrington, Gabrielle E $128,158.94 2011 PASS
LaBella, Barbara E $128,130.87 2011 Enrichment
Mahoski, Shelly L $127,954.62 2011 Math
Beers, Susan M $127,920.00 2011 English
Rogers, Jean M $127,245.92 2011 Science
Medwed, Marjorie J $127,241.00 2011 3rd Grade
Ciampi, Veronica M $127,144.97 2011 Science
Hockman-Zappulla, Lynette S $127,090.08 2011 Psychologist
Bellisari, Timothy $126,777.35 2011 GYM
Meli, Joann M $126,394.07 2011 Reading
Kobus, Doreen A $126,024.15 2011 Computers
Bressel, Elizabeth R $125,490.74 2011 Foreign Language
Lasko, Pamela $125,394.00 2011 5th Grade
Benstock, Jane P $125,220.52 2011 Music
Blask, Sherri G $125,195.00 2011 1st Grade
Emery, Carol A $125,195.00 2011 Reading
Perrone, Anthony J $125,184.41 2011 Social Studies
Defeo, Linda $124,664.88 2011 Art
Sokol, Ricki J $124,413.84 2011 2nd Grade
Learn more at http://www.lischooltax.com/ www.bayvilleblog.com www.seethroughny.net/payrolls
Campbell, Bruce R $123,819.00 2011 TV Media Production
Kalbacher, Prudence A $123,724.60 2011 2nd Grade
Buzzeo, Carol A $123,531.65 2011 Music
Morris, Philip A $123,515.18 2011 English
Mierlak, Barbara A $123,326.73 2011 Library
Galano, Jacqueline O $123,022.24 2011 Library
Lee, Joseph G $122,245.44 2011 Math
Becker, Tanya J $122,034.40 2011 2nd Grade
Youngs, Lynn A $121,952.72 2011 Individual Needs
Zindman, Shari P $121,602.40 2011 4th Grade
Eno, Stacey L $121,058.20 2011 Kindergarten
Kriesberg, Karen L $121,058.20 2011 1st Grade
Schaffer, Gail R $120,164.00 2011 3rd Grade
Kardonsky, Mark H $120,027.72 2011 Science
Keenan, Faith K $119,967.39 2011 Guidance
Guerra, Vincent J $119,152.92 2011 Music
Greco, Mary L $118,994.29 2011 English
Nardone, Andrew J $118,835.07 2011 English
Gallucci, Maure
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Paul,
not really, the lv budget pays for transportation and books for all private school students so that amount would be added to the cost of st.doms and subtracted from lv.
more important st.doms is quite frank tellings one and all that tuition doesn't come close to covering expenses and without private donations and fund raisers they would need to close the doors. you hear this message every sunday and constantly in the mail.
friends and portledge say the same and their tuition for high school is over 27K.
you arguement would be much more effective if you didn't make up and exaggerate the information.
i know st.doms well and it is an injustice for you to misrepresent their financial needs.
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Nice try Anonymous, but St. Doms states their actual cost is $10K per student and as you stated the tuition is offset to $8K. Even as $10K LV does not compare. The average cost for Friends is $25K not $27K. Still $10K less than HV. How about LV credit back $20K to any parent who sends their child to private school? LV will make $15K for an empty seat. I will pay for a limo o take my kid to school and they can keep their bus. I can then put away the money saved for my son's college. Instead of giving it to LV so they can pad their teachers pay. $107K average salary for 3.5 hours of teaching a day?? Are you serious!! $145K a year for a gym teacher?? I know he takes homework home everynight. Ha! Don't ypu dare try and defend the greed and gluttony of this school district until you pay our taxes.
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Paul,
Document your information. Show St. Doms at $10K cost. Show the budget. They constantly say they need more. Even after the diocese.You started at 8k. That was a 25% lie. Keep going. Show the revenues and costs.
Friends and Portledge even if $25k, they state 27K for high school is $9k over the cost of educating a general education child at LV, documented at 16k.
Friends and Portledge also need fund raisers and generous alumni and freely admit it.
Why do Friends and Portledge charge $25 to $27k if they could educate a student for $16k as does LV, and still cry out for fund raisers and donations?
Perhaps you would be happy if public schools didn't support special needs and handicapped children? its expensive but I would maintain not only is it the law it is also a moral and ethical responsibility.
Documented on NYS Report Card 2010/11:
LV General education student average cost $16k
LV Special needs and handicapped average cost $37k
LV combined general education and special needs and handicapped $30k
Portledge selected general education students $25 to $27k plus donations and fund raisers
Friends selected general education students $25 to$27k plus donations and fund raisers.
St Doms waiting for verification plus fund raisers and big time donations plus the diocese.
You think taxes are too high and teachers are over paid fine, that may be true but do some honest work to make your point.
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The cost to provide private schools transportation and textbooks comes to about $2 million a year. This number was given out in past budget presentations You can deduct that from our total total budget to recalculate everything. It does add $1,000 per student for those attending public schools. Oyster Bay is not much different from us. Allowing that adjustment, we are still way ahead of everyone else in Nassau except for Jericho.
Anonymous, "you(r) arguement would be much more effective if you didn't make up and exaggerate the information."
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Well let's see:
Rockville Center $99m
Manhasset budget $88m
Garden city budget $105m
Locust Valley budget $73m
East Williston average cost general education student $16,500
Locust Valley average cost general education student $16,800
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I post real numbers proving LV requires $35K per student and you respond with this??
LV General education student average cost $16k
LV Special needs and handicapped average cost $37k
LV combined general education and special needs and handicapped $30k
I hope you are not a math teacher, then againb maybe you are and that is why our kids are doing worse and worse every year.
Save me the bs stats about number of kids receiving diplomas. Look at the grade by grade comparison for the regents. That tells the true story.
Oh I got it, you are our $145K a year math teacher. Is that why you can't do the math?
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Paul,
I smell the "Anonymous" replying to you is a BOE with MBA degree. That's why we have BIG trouble.
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Anonymous, "you(r) arguement would be much more effective if you didn't make up and exaggerate the information."
Stop playing games with numbers. We are not kids. The taxpaypers are not just paying for general education students. The taxpaypers are paying for EVERYONE.
The more you are playing games with the numbers, the worse it is going to look.
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Possible Anon, but I don't think he can stay awake this late. Although the baseless inane argument he is trying to make does sound like our BOE.
Maybe its our $145K a year gym teacher
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The International Baccalaureate program, an intense curriculum that confers a well-regarded credential, existed in only 50 schools, public and private, and awarded just 675 diplomas in this state in 2009. It's a great program, but only for those who have access, which on Long Island includes students in Rockville Centre, Bay Shore, Commack, Locust Valley, Long Beach, Northport-East Northport and West Islip.
http://www.newsday.com/opinion/regents-diploma-sets-bar-too-low-1.3442914
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50 in 2009? LOL! Looks like there's only 49 in 2012:
http://ibo.org/school/search/index.cfm?programmes=DIPLOMA&country=US®ion=NY&find_schools=Find
That would be a DECREASE in the number of IB Diploma World Schools since 2009, wouldn't it?
Get rid of IB, please. Save $300,000 a year!
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Hey I found comparable regents scores. Guess what? LV right near the top, but only 96% passes English. Oh, my goodness. Barely in the top 10%.
But LV is only number one in REGENT graduation rates and #7 among all LI schools in ADVANCED REGENT DIPLOMAS.
http://www.newsday.com/opinion/regents-diploma-sets-bar-too-low-1.3442914
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sorry, wrong link above
tp://www.newsday.com/long-island/education/table-of-2009-2010-school-report-cards-1.2695644
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Oh, budget geru- not and Paul/Sean,
You poor things, yes you have to pay to educate handicapped children and it is very expensive. Oh, poor babies!!
It is a moral and ethical responsibility that you craven self absorbed. grasping mercenaries, under whatever names you post, will never get.
Go crawl back under a rock and let others take care of them, educate them, help them and even support them.
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Dennis,
I NEVER said we should not educate special ed kids. It is your job to find out why we outspend everyone else in Nassau except for Jericho. Stop putting words in my mouth or anyone else. Here is the proposed budget of East Williston. See the kind of transparency their BOE are providing to the public. They are smaller than LVCSD. Their enrollment is going down and they are not hiding it. Their proposed tax levy is BELOW the max allowed by tax cap and their budget is below their tax levy. Their BOE is not trying to suck every drop of blood from their public.
http://www.ewsdonline.org/education/components/docmgr/download.php?sectiondetailid=10586&fileitem=8109&catfilter=1077
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And Dennis, in case you miss it in the link, East Williston 2011 Regents Diploma is 100% and Advanced Regents Diploma is 83%. They are smaller district yet their total per student cost is significant lower than ours. I am sure they take very good care of their special ed students because their high school principal came from LVCSD.
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I really wish there was a way to access 2011-2012 stats in order to give us a better picture of what is going on in the district.
If you look at the following:
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2009-10/AOR-2010-280503060003.pdf
... it says we have 2 Asst. Principals at the HS. Do we?
It also says the average class size for Math is 13. Why?
For some unknown reason, LVCSD hired eight (8) more teachers and increased the number of classes offered by THIRTY-EIGHT (38) for an increase of nine (9) students over the same period of time.
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO! Could a large percentage of those 38 classes that LVHS ran with 6 students in them (in violation of LVHS class size policy) have been IB? Ya think?
We all agree that the teacher salaries are off the hook. This is GROSS MISMANAGEMENT of the HS.
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Not sure why the link didn't link, let me try again:
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2009-10/AOR-2010-280503060003.pdf
In case it doesn't work, it is the Accountability and Overview Report for LVHS.
IB is NOT SUSTAINABLE! Get rid of it NOW!
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2009-2010
EIGHTY-EIGHT (88) of the courses offered at LVHS were ELECTIVES, not CORE classes.
CUT THE BS!
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lisa,
how can you not know we have two assistant pricipals at the h.s.?
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/staff/Default.aspx?school=20
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Ummm, because I don't have any kids left in the system?
Hey, I readily admit what I don't know. Is that a crime?
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2011-2012 is the year when the s*** hits the fan, no more checks and balances on BOE, it is a one man show.
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Sorry Unhappy, but there were no checks and balances on the BoE BEFORE 2011-2012. Look at the numbers above! Maybe there was some dissent in "Executive Session" but what we the public saw was a unanimous YES vote for anything the Supt. recommended.
I see no reason for a 2nd Asst. Principal at the HS. Who is this Rebecca person? A friend of Dr. Hunderfund's?
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Lisa,
When was the last time you attended a BOE meeting? Of course there were No votes. Because of that, I guess, LVCSD no longer publishes the voting records. It is common logic. If it is always Yes votes, they definitely will publish the UNANIMOUS voting records in all caps. Think about it.
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Unhappy,
I stopped wasting my time attending Board meetings back when the BoE blackmailed The Leader in order to get me fired as the education reporter. Has the BoE decided to run its legal notices in The Leader again?
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April 1, 2012
Lisa's Plan to cut $3M+ from the budget
1. Cut late buses and impose 1 Mile limit for busing: Savings $1M
2. Eliminate IB, Model UN, IB Leadership Club, Coordinators and Supervisors, IB training, membership fees AND restore cost of AP exams to the parents: Savings: $400,000
3. Eliminate 2nd Asst. Principal position at HS
Drastically cut the number of Electives
Revise Board Minimum class size policy from 8 to 10 students in order for a course to run.
Cut at least 12 superfluous teachers by increasing class size and increasing core classload.
Anticipated savings:$1.8M
4. Reduce the budget line for "Unappropriated Instruction" from $800,000 to no more than $100,000 (Savings of $700,000)
Okay ..... I'm up over $4M
And I'm not touching sports. Other than you'll have to pick them up. No biggie.
Maybe I'll go pick up a petition to run against Erika and Susie since my house hasn't sold.
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Heh!
Oh yeah, and sorry Abbe, but we can save close to $50,000 a year by having our in-house teachers handle the drama and the musical. I'd say retirement is looking good right about now. Stop renting backdrops and hiring musicians, how much more is that? Another $50,000? Let the kids in the band and orchestra play. I mean, they piss money like water in this district. It's obscene!
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You DO realize who the musicians they hire are, right?
Why shouldn't the STUDENTS be benefiting from creating backdrops and performing the music? Why should we be lining the pockets of union teachers who are already making over 6 figures plus all the cash they make giving private lessons. Listen, I like these music teachers, nice guys ....BUT... when the time has come to help the taxpayers AND THE CHILDREN .... it's time to put the brakes on a teacher's new BMW.
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Lisa,
Time to put money where your mouth is. Go get the petition on Monday. With the kind of cuts you just proposed, I may very well bullet vote you provided you also include the rest of the items on the list in your previous post.
Cut Summer Rec
Cut Driver's Ed
Cut IB/AP exam fees
Cut busing for those who live less than one mile from school.
Cut legal fees
Cut "slush funds"
Require greater staff contribution to health care
CUT "Winter Vacation"
CUT IB ALTOGETHER!
CUT CUT CUT!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ha ha ha ..... April Fool's!
Who's gonna put money in my mouth to shut me up? LMAO! You'd at least think someone would have TRIED by now ..... LOL! Nah, sorry Anon. The "system" is beyond repair. I tried for many years to sound the warning bells and was denigrated and mocked for my efforts. You're on your own. I have to tidy up for an open house later. Ta ta!
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East Williston is an excellent school district with very comparable metrics to Locust Valley.
EW claims on its web site a REGENTS graduation rate of 100% and ARGR of 83%. However, NYS reports 95% and 75%.
LV claims the same numbers as NYS reports 99% and 78%.
However, I am sure these numbers fluctuate within this range from year to year and EW MAY HAVE NEW NUMBERS NOT YET REPORTED. The academics of both school districts are excellent. I see little of no academic difference. although the Washington Post ranks LV MUCH HIGHER.
As for cost it is much the same. EW spends $16,521 per general education student and LV $16,836. The difference is LV FOR WHATEVER REASON currently is spending much more on special education, and that drives up the overall cost. I suppose that could change as could EW GRADUATION METRICS, WE WILL SEE BUT I SUSPECT IT IS BASED ON THE NEEDS OF CURRENT STUDENTS.
EW announced Tax Levy increase 2.98% with essentially no layoffs as presented in the budget-- great planning.
Jericho announced Tax Levy increase 2.22% with 22 layoffs and multiple program cuts. BYE BYE JERICHO. Should have reduced the AFB, TOO LATE NOW. Will be the same next year. Poor financial planning.
Garden City Tax Levy increase 4.26% increase, with multiple program cuts. High AFB,
LV we will see.
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Yes, BYE BYE JERICHO! They will lose the honor of having the HIGHEST PER STUDENT COST. Excellent financial planning on the part of LVCSD BOE, we will soon have the honor of having the HIGHEST PER STUDENT COST!
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happy,
Whoever you are, you are just like those BOE guys, or maybe you are one. What East Williston reported about Regents and Advanced Regents are for Year 2011. NYS has not reported 2011. Your numbers are the old numbers for 2009-2010. Why you purposely leave out the TOTAL PER STUDENT COST, which is what taxpaypers are actually paying for? Do you think we are that stupid to let you cherry pick the ones that lets you play numbers game? Locust Valley total per student cost is 14% HIGHER than East Williston. As far as Washington Post ranking, who cared?
East Williston AP $26,927 1,770 students
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/FIS-2011-280402030000.pdf
Locust Valley $30,778 2,202 students
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/FIS-2011-280503060000.pdf
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happy,
I don't if you know "Dennis" or maybe you are "Dennis". You should read his post, quoted here.
"The analysis breaks out cost per student which is always, because of economics of scale, a disadvantage to small organizations just like total cost is a disadvantage to large organizations."
East Williston has 24% few students than Locust Valley yet their total unit cost is 14% lower even with the smaller student population. Have you ever watched Donald Trump The Apprentice? I hope you have because he would say "YOU ARE FIRED".
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WOW!!!
Last, First, Middle Annual Pay
Pay
Year
Title
Teseo, Robert F $152,328.52 2011 Math
Dantuono, Mark J $145,132.48 2011 GYM
Ethe, David J $145,060.47 2011 Social Studies
Hoppner, Christopher J $144,234.68 2011 Science
Margiotta, William R $143,625.36 2011 Music
Rogin, James K $142,621.72 2011 Social Studies
Cannone, Edward M $142,257.72 2011 English
Green, Rachel B $142,058.56 2011 Foreign Language
Mulstay, Mary J $142,046.28 2011 Individual Needs
Mc Andrew, Daniel P $140,198.10 2011 GYM
Cagney, Monica A $135,598.68 2011 4th Grade
Craig, Catherine H $135,300.80 2011 Speech
Gould, Kenneth J $134,716.60 2011 Science
Fuggini, Francis L $133,959.12 2011 Science
Palmer, Elaine M $133,517.66 2011 5th Grade
Aragonesi, Joseph $131,840.46 2011 Enrichment
Kane, Kathleen P $130,975.36 2011 Reading
Buonaspina, Robert $130,642.80 2011 International Bacul
Gordon, Carlyn R $130,413.96 2011 GYM
Miller, Maribeth $130,049.41 2011 GYM
Gurzynski, Walter B $129,475.48 2011 Science
Hendrickson, Mary R $129,364.43 2011 Social Studies
Crici, Vincent D $128,905.64 2011 Music
Murray, Patricia A $128,725.05 2011 Individual Needs
Collins, Carolyn J $128,627.08 2011 GYM
Bender, Denise L $128,548.04 2011 Music
Harrington, Gabrielle E $128,158.94 2011 PASS
LaBella, Barbara E $128,130.87 2011 Enrichment
Mahoski, Shelly L $127,954.62 2011 Math
Beers, Susan M $127,920.00 2011 English
Rogers, Jean M $127,245.92 2011 Science
Medwed, Marjorie J $127,241.00 2011 3rd Grade
Ciampi, Veronica M $127,144.97 2011 Science
Hockman-Zappulla, Lynette S $127,090.08 2011 Psychologist
Bellisari, Timothy $126,777.35 2011 GYM
Meli, Joann M $126,394.07 2011 Reading
Kobus, Doreen A $126,024.15 2011 Computers
Bressel, Elizabeth R $125,490.74 2011 Foreign Language
Lasko, Pamela $125,394.00 2011 5th Grade
Benstock, Jane P $125,220.52 2011 Music
Blask, Sherri G $125,195.00 2011 1st Grade
Emery, Carol A $125,195.00 2011 Reading
Perrone, Anthony J $125,184.41 2011 Social Studies
Defeo, Linda $124,664.88 2011 Art
Sokol, Ricki J $124,413.84 2011 2nd Grade
Learn more at http://www.lischooltax.com/ www.bayvilleblog.com www.seethroughny.net/payrolls
Campbell, Bruce R $123,819.00 2011 TV Media Production
Kalbacher, Prudence A $123,724.60 2011 2nd Grade
Buzzeo, Carol A $123,531.65 2011 Music
Morris, Philip A $123,515.18 2011 English
Mierlak, Barbara A $123,326.73 2011 Library
Galano, Jacqueline O $123,022.24 2011 Library
Lee, Joseph G $122,245.44 2011 Math
Becker, Tanya J $122,034.40 2011 2nd Grade
Youngs, Lynn A $121,952.72 2011 Individual Needs
Zindman, Shari P $121,602.40 2011 4th Grade
Eno, Stacey L $121,058.20 2011 Kindergarten
Kriesberg, Karen L $121,058.20 2011 1st Grade
Schaffer, Gail R $120,164.00 2011 3rd Grade
Kardonsky, Mark H $120,027.72 2011 Science
Keenan, Faith K $119,967.39 2011 Guidance
Guerra, Vincent J $119,152.92 2011 Music
Greco, Mary L $118,994.29 2011 English
Nardone, Andrew J $118,835.07 2011 English
Gallucci, Maure
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You left out
Stella, Alan C 2011 Science $151,842
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STELLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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Stella, Alan C 2011 Science $151,842
Stella, Alan C 2010 Science $131,951
How much is the increase?
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What grade/school does he teach?
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Could someone please help. I went on seethroughny
and it doesn't seem to list the salaries of any teachers at private institutions.
Where is this information available so we can compare with public schools.
Do teachers at Friends make less than teachers at public school?. Can this be verified? Thank you
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Frank,
That's why they're private schools. They don't have to provide the public with enrollment or salary stats. Private school teachers are non-union.
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Where is this information available so we can compare with public schools.
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The only difference in operating costs between a public and private schools is salaries. The cost for utilities, lunches, etc are the same. It is our $107K a year teachers salaris (and pension) at LV that are killing us, and their contract that says they teach only 3.5 hours a day.
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On another note, No we do not hate anyone who makes over $100K but that's the whole myth. Teachers don't just make $100K, they are different from a person making $100K in the private sector in the following way:
1. Life time health insurance
2. Defined benefit retirement (stock market goes down, taxpaypers have to pony up to make up the difference)
3. Steps and Lanes forever increase as protected by the Triborough Amendment
4. 82% of health insurace paid by taxpapers
5. Required to work 185 days a year, the work day ends at 3:15 (yes, they do start about one hour early than most)
If you calculate the above, they are getting paid FOUR times the nominal rate of $100K a year.
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Well, if we cannot find out the compensation of private school teachers, how can we put in perspective the compensation of public school teachers?
Just trying to learn.
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Frank,
May I inquire as to how old you are? It concerns me deeply that there are citizens (presumably of voting age) out there who are completely unaware of the difference between government run/taxpayer supported institutions and private industry.
If you are under 18, then please forgive my rather brusque reply. Apparently LVHS doesn't consider U.S. Government an important subject.
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You can quote me on this, private school teachers do not get public pension!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You can quote me on this, private school teachers do not get public pension!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Paul,
You seem to know a lot. I am trying to learn and want to cast an intelligent budget vote. How are you so sure that the difference is salaries?
Why do private school teachers work for less? Thanks
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There are many reasons:
1. They do not have connection on BOE to get them jobs in public schools.
2. They do not belong to NYSUT union.
3. The Triborough Amendment only covers public school teachers.
4.... shall we go on and on?
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Well, if they can earn more money joining the union why wouldn't they do so?
Do you have to have a BOE connection to get a teaching job?
What is a Triborough Amendment?
I appreciate your help.
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Frank you should be comparing costs to St.Dominics not Friends Academy. Friends and Portledge are exceptions for the 1% of the population. Here is why you should vote NO.
WHAT TYPE OF PEOPLE WOULD USE YOUR
CHILDREN TO EXTORT MONEY FROM YOU?
SADLY THE PEOPLE WE ENTRUST TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN AND OUR VERY
OWN ELECTED BOARD OF EDUCATION. TELL THE TEACHERS AND THEIR UNION
THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN ENOUGH MONEY TO RUN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM BY
VOTING “NO” THIS MAY 15th.
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year. Our school’s Superintendent made $294,000.00 last year, and has
had her pay increased by $43,000.00 since 2008. That’s around a 17% increase. Has your pay gone up 17% since
2008? The Superintendent also gets 24 days’ vacation, and 70 days sick days. Of course the sick days gets turned
into a cash payment if unused.
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $73,776,262.00 and only 2113 students. That equals $34,915.00
for each student in the school system. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically
charge a year, and the district claims they need more. Is this example of greed and waste something we want out
children taught? You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their
pockets at our community and children’s expense.
• The average pay for our teachers is $107,000. a year. Teaching has become a part-time job consisting of only 182
days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. What’s worse is they only teach 3.5 hours a day as per
their contract. A far cry from the same teacher who taught us all day long when we went to school. Go to
http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries.
• Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the
taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout a teacher will make
an additional $2,154,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $55,000 + Health Insurance 30 years @ $16,800.)
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Well, if they can earn more money joining the union why wouldn't they do so?
Do you have to have a BOE connection to get a teaching job?
What is a Triborough Amendment?
I appreciate your help.
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Go to LV's website and click on the web link that says careers, teaching positions wanted. Can't find it?? There's a reason, unless you know someone like John Benstock did you are not getting in. Google John Benstock,he sits at home and collects $117k a year for not working.
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That is around 15%, did you get a 15% raise last year?
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Stella, Alan C 2011 Science $151,842
Stella, Alan C 2010 Science $131,951
How much is the increase?
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So, do private school teachers earn the same as public school teachers but have an inferior pension?
Can we document this? That would be helpful
What I'm trying to learn is whether a science teacher at a private school earns less, considering all benefits, than a science teacher at a public school and I would like to be able to document that. Thanks
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You would have to call St.Doms and ask them, but you can determine the salary difference based on the operating costs.
LV charges the taxpayers $35K a year per student. St. Doms charges around $7K a year. Where do you think the extra $28K a year at LV goes? It goes to our millionaire Supt. and teachers like our $145K a year GYM teacher. Plus their pensions.
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So a teacher at a private school who has the same experience and capability as Stella, Alan would makes less?
I can accept that if you can document it. How do I know that is correct?
If the average pay for a public school teacher is a $107k can someone tell me the average pay for a teacher at St. Doms, Friends and Portledge?
I mean if I was looking for a teaching job I would want to get the best job and best compensation I could for my family.
So I would join a union if that was necessary. It seems if public schools pay more, and have better benefits and perks than the better teachers would go to public schools. That is why I am skeptical.
If private schools want to hire the same quality and experienced teachers wouldn't they need to provide a competitive compensation and benefit plan? What am I missing?
I am honestly just trying to understand this.
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Frank,
Why didn't you answer my question? How old are you? Are you a HS student?
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The answer is simple Frank. IT IS CALLED A UNION, pay our teachers or we will walk out. The BOE and Supt really don't care because the money is FREE. It comes from the taxpayers if they want to pay it or not. If a private school tried to to raise tuition to pay those crazy salaries the parents would balk. It's that simple, taxpayer money grows on trees.
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Ryan,
Why would a quality teacher work at St. Doms for 1/5 the compensation ($7k vs. $35K revenue source) of a Locust Valley teacher. That just doesn't make sense to me.
If public schools pay more than private schools it seems the quality teachers would go to the public schools. Wouldn't you?
So something is missing either the compensation between private and public schools is competitive or the public schools have the best teachers or there is something else that hasn't yet been explained.
I mean if the average teacher pay at Locust Valley is $107k and I believe you that it is, why would a teacher at St. Doms where the revenue ratio is 1/5 as explained above work for $21k.
This could all be cleared up if someone could document the information. Thank you.
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Just the true is opposite. It has been shown that people truly dedicated to their work and NOT a paycheck will work for less if need be. Look at the Peace Corps or the volunteer fire fighters here on LI. Do you think the Fire Fighters on LI are inferior to those that are paid? They are NOT, they are dedicated to what they do.
The excessive pay at LV has only attracted the gold diggers and has left real teachers to teach where they are appreciated. That is the last I will say on this. The "ilk" posing as teachers LV are just that, "ilk". Real teachers would NOT use your children to extort money from you. You know the truth.
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Paul,
I didn't know teachers could strike.
So you are telling me public teachers because of the union make more. That makes sense but it raises the question as to why a quality teacher wouldn't join the union so he/she could make more. I mean wouldn't they feel a responsibility to their family to provide for them.
The other concern I have is this is still not documented. With all due respect it seems to be your opinion which I respect but I have a hard time understanding why a top quality teacher at Friends would work for less salary and benefits than they could at a public school. Why wouldn't they join the union and do what is best for their family?
Lisa,
I didn't see your question. No, I am not a student. I am 33 years old and work as a project manager. How old are you and what do you do?
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Why would someone truly dedicated to their work prefer a private school to a public school?
Yes, volunteer firefighters perform a public service but what does that have to do with their career or job? Or responsibility to their family?
Sorry, unless there is a reason to the contrary people will gravitate to the better paying job. The entire free market economy has worked successfully based on this fundamental principle.
Paul, thank you for trying to help me but you provide no documentation that public school teachers earn more money than private school teachers, and if they did why the best teachers wouldn't do what is best for their families. I appreciate your time.
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In a free market economy, one can opt out of the market and chooses not to be a customer or user of the goods and services. The fact that you and I cannot opt out the school tax makes it not a free market economy. Our only option in this unfair system is to vote NO twice to do the best for our families in your words.
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Well said. Agreed.
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Frank and Anonymous,
If you want to understand the operating costs of private educational institutions, you can register with Guidestar.org and research the individual school's IRS 990 forms.
I can tell you Friend's Academy shows $23,617,000 and change in revenue for 2009. FA has 378 employees + 40 volunteers. Total functional expenses were $25M+. Key officers received a total of $544,000 and base employee salaries totaled approx. $11M. Benefit contributions were another $4M+. FA's net assets were listed as $54M.
There are 750 students at Friends.
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Lisa,
I just went online to check NYU undergraduate tuition. For the full year (two semesters), it is $39K. I think we are doing quite well at LVCSD. We manage to come in about 10% below NYU per student.
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I know! Why don't we compare the price of a prize race horse to a mutt from the T.O.B. pound?
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Vote "yes" if you want to sell your house before you retire because you won't be able to pay your taxes.
Vote "no" if you want to retire one day and live in your own home.
Vote 'yes" if you want to make sure your kids will be forced off LI because they can't afford the taxes the one day.
Vote "no" if you want your children to have the opportunity to buy a home in the community they grew up in and love.
Vote "yes" if you want to continue to make the teachers union a force that will mold your life and your future grandchildrens.
Vote "no" if you want to tell the teachers union that our schools are NOT their piggy bank.
Vote "yes" if you don't want to save any money and would instead prefer to give it away to a teacers pension.
Vote "no" if you would like to keep your future savings and set aside it aside for yourself or your children
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Ryan,
Once upon a time, people who invested in a home were able to count on their homes appreciating in value. Once upon a time, homeowners believed that a 5 or 6% increase in the school budget was "reasonable" because it would be offset by increasing home values and demonstrate a community supportive of good education.
Home values are DOWN 25-30% since 2007. Yet our taxes are UP..... substantially.
If LVCSD truly cared about the communities it counts on, it would come in with a budget LESS than 2011-2012. Wow, how novel would THAT be?!? Potential homebuyers would say, "Look at this district! They are working hard to get taxes under control! I want to buy a house there!"
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Vote "yes" if you have too much income and you need the deduction in Schedule A.
Vote "no" if you file Standard Deduction.
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Please take a few minutes to read through this Power Point created by a Mom in Ohio where they are battling IB. Great research and presentation!
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Governance_of_International_Baccalaureate_Schools_2_.ppt
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Why isn't LVCSD lobbying to
REPEAL THE TRIBOROUGH AMENDMENT!
http://www.capitaltonight.com/2012/01/astorino-calls-for-repeal-of-triborough/
http://suffolkcountylibertyreport.com/sclr/?p=6665
... instead of its STOOPID Mandate Madness petition? (Wowee - it's gotten a whole 8 signatures in over a week!)
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It is now APRIL. Will someone please tell me why the Board Actions from February are not on the LVCSD webdespite yet?
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/board_of_education/board_actions
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Lisa, the school district is desperate because taxpayers are no longer buying their bs. Did you see what Hunderfund added to the website to counter the fliers?
Q. Does the Superintendent of Schools get an annual raise?
A. Superintendent Dr. Anna Hunderfund has not received a raise since she was hired four years ago.
Is this true? What state law mandates an increase?
Q. Did our teachers receive a raise this year?
A. Locust Valley teachers agreed not to take a raise this year. They are only receiving step increases, which are required by law.
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Paul,
They are telling you the "truth" if you understand what they mean by "raise".
Cashed in sick days is not raise.
Cashed in personal days is not raise.
Extra money for proctoring exams is not raise.
Extra money as club directors or advisors is not raise.
Extra money for curriculum development is not raise.
Extra money at sports games is not raise.
Extra money for overtime is not raise.
Extra money for coaching is not raise.
Extra money for continuing eduation is not raise.
Extra money for driver's education is not raise.
Extra money for summer rec is not raise.
Additional taxpayers payments into health insurance premium increase is not raise (that is called contractual obligation)
Additional taxpapers payments into retirement plans is not raise (it is called defined contribution).
Do you get it now?
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The Triborough Amendment
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To be more specific, the Triborough Amnedment was an addition to the Taylor Law which prohibits NYS teachers from striking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Law
One particular clause, the Triborough Amendment, mandates that in the event of a lack of a contract, the terms of the previous contract continue indefinitely, leaving governments (and, by extension, taxpayers) with virtually no leverage to force concessions if an overly generous contract becomes unsustainable. While raw salary increases are generally negotiated on a year by year basis (and are thus frozen at the expiration of a contract), "step increases" (which are based on an individual worker's longevity and are additional raises above and beyond general salary raises) are still required in most state contracts, and must be given even when a contract expires if the previous contract stipulated such. Thus, raises can theoretically continue in perpetuity.[1][2] As a result of this, numerous activists and government officials have moved to either suspend or repeal the Triborough Amendment.[3] The Conservative Party of New York State, which seeks the abolition of the amendment, argues that the amendment's guarantee of a perpetual contract eliminates any incentive for unions to negotiate in good faith.[4]
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Lisa,
That is exactly where Jack Dolce has screwed up. From the time he became BOE president (2008) till the time our new teachers contract he signed expires (2015), our little community will have paid OVER ONE HALF OF ONE BILLION DOLLARS in school taxes. That is not a typo. That is OVER ONE HALF OF ONE BILLION DOLLARS in school taxes.
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Oh thank you, Anonymous! I always love when we can point to the source of King Dolce II's (or would that have been under King Dolce I's rule) cognitive dissonance. It just brightens my day!
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Made a "small" mistake. The new teachers contract Jack Dolce signed will expire in 2014. Even with that one year correction, our total school taxes paid from 2008 till 2014 will still be OVER ONE HALF OF ONE BILLION DOLLARS.
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I read this blog and it seems that you guys are pretty bright I can only assume none of you went to LV. What schools did you attend?
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East Williston
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Oyster Bay High School - Class of '74
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I read this blog and it seems that you guys are pretty bright I can only assume none of you went to LV. What schools did you attend?
That is a common mis-conception. The students make the school, the school doesn't make the students. You can't turn lead into gold or vice versa.
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Paul,
I agree with the first part of your statement but disagree with you on the second part. The students make the school and you cannot turn lead into gold. With that being said, school can ruin students and you can turn high grade gold into low grade gold. Bad BOE can ruin students and also steer the entire community into financial ruins.
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http://africanpress.me/2012/03/09/president-obama-will-be-forced-by-circumstances-to-apologise-genuine-birth-certificate-surfaces-americans-have-been-led-to-believe-otherwise-revelation-to-change-the-political-landscape/
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Sadly that is not news. Anyone born in the 60's can tell you that the copies of barack's birth certificte previously supplied were NOT genuine. You need to watch the documentary "Media Matters" on Netflix to understand.
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- SourceOfTruth provides independent and impartial source of verifiable information. The purposes of these posts are to 1) keep our public entities honest, 2) keep our citizens informed, and 3) keep rumors out. (S)he does not offer any opinion.
*Is the following Q/A True?
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Q. Did our teachers receive a raise this year?
A. Locust Valley teachers agreed not to take a raise this year. They are only receiving step increases, which are required by law.
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FALSE: Each school district negotiates its own steps and lanes. It is negotiable although not always easy given the Triborough Amendment. There has been school district in Nassau County that completely did away with steps and lanes. It is not common but it existed. The bottom line is, however, that it is NOT required by law.
*Where can I find our district steps and lanes information?
You can visit See Through New York to download the last teachers contract. Steps and Lanes information is towards the end of the contract. The latest contract can only be obtained via FOIL at this time but the old contract gives you some idea what they are. You can alway compare LVCSD steps and lanes with other school districts to see where we stand compared to others.
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TEACHERS DO NOT GET RAISES
John Benstock 2011 $117,959
John Benstock 2010 $115,128
John Benstock 2009 $106,903
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Bill Clinton, "did not have sexual relations with that woman".
Just oral sex......sort of like teachers getting more pay but not raises. All how you word it I guess.
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Worse yet is that BOE tells us "it is required by law". What law? Where? Did BOE clear their $300/hr lawyer when they put that statement up?
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Is anyone going to tomorrow's budget meeting? Where is it being held?
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LOVED the bill clinton statement!!!!
I will be attending the BOE
I'm curious to see with the emails they were sending out, Q&A
That when the budget does not pass do WE get to decide what gets cut? Or will it be THEM yet again and why?
That NEEDS to be addressed!
LISA you going to the meeting?
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It is time for the teachers to take a REAL FREEZE. They have been taking advantage of the trust parents had in them to manipulate the votes. What good is it if my son is admitted to college but I have no money to pay for it?
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Where is the meeting being held?
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Top step 2009-2010 (old contract)
Locust Valley $130,163
East Williston $125,744
We always pay more than everyone else - except Jericho. Everything to BOE is a drop in the bucket. Listen, the entire ocean is made up of drops of water.
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Jericho has a swimming pool
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8 PM in the MS Mini-Theater
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Calendar/Default.aspx?group=54
And let me state AGAIN, I think it is absolutely DISGRACEFUL that LVCSD is so incompetent and non-transparent that as of this posting, it has not posted FEBRUARY and MARCH's Board Actions to the website.
The Minutes from the 2nd meeting in March may have not been approved by the Board yet, but there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for not posting Board Actions from TWO MONTHS AGO!!!
No, I will not waste my time attending tonight's meeting. I think a new episode of Joan & Melissa is on.
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My preliminary online reseach shows that Rockville Center teachers contract has not had the steps and lanes since July 1, 2006. You can go to See Through New York to double check. "required by law"? I am sure Rockville Center will not do anything to the contrary. Also, Rockville Center (another IB school with ranking higher than Locust Valley) total per student cost is $24,643, 25% LOWER than LVCSD.
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Budget Guru's "preliminary online research", quite frankly, sucks. Here is the most recent RVC contract:
http://qvs.visiblegovernment.us/seethroughNY.net/contracts/school-contracts/Rockville_Teacher_2011.pdf
Article XXIII Salary:
1.25% increase on July 1, 2011 + additional 1.25% increase on Feb. 1, 2012
2.5% increase on July 1, 2012
2.75% increase on July 1, 2013
Step increments shall be granted to the incumbents who are on the schedules effective July 1 of each salary year.
So pardon my French, but what the F are you talking about, Budget Guru?
Btw, SouthSide HS is going to force EVERY student to take IB English. http://www.newsday.com/long-island/education/all-south-side-high-students-to-take-ib-class-1.3422697
So much for special needs/ESL students, eh?
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Lisa,
Read all their prior years contracts posted at See Through New York. Their steps schedule stopped on 6/30/2006.
I would rather call a spade a spade. Whether it is oral sex or intercourse, call it sex regardless. I cannot stand it when LVSCD says "no raises except steps where are required by law". Even if steps are required by law, which are not, it is negotiated by each district.
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Is there more money in oral sex than intercourse? Read the link to find out:
http://www.empirecenter.org/Special-Reports/2012/01/triboroughtrouble011112.cfm
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LMAO! What, no pictures? LOL!
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Lisa,
Did you read the whole piece? It is rather graphical.
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Okay so they are guaranteed automatic raises (step increases). Question, are they considered NYS employees and therefor forbidden to strike? Secondly, are you allowed to cut their pay but still give them their step increase?
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"Are they considered NYS employees?"
Does your brain not connect to your fingers when you ask this question? Seriously? Good grief, Paul ..... let's use those critical thinking skills LVCSD claims it instills ...... ya think? DOH!
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Easy there Lisa, so they are not allowed to strike then are they?
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Paul,
Techically, they are not allowed to strike. With that being said, the entire year last year, they did take JOB ACTIONS, like waited outside the buildings and only went in after the bell and promptly left the building after the last bell, like handing out pamphlets at elementary science fair and at middle school concerts, to make the students and parents extremely uncomfortable. We teach kids not to bully. What is the difference?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Law
Not allowed to strike. Correct. Just make people and students uncomfortable and stick to the letter of their contract.
Of course, the Superintendent could fire the entire district and rehire under a new contract, the way they did up in Rhode Island:
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/16/rh-school-superintendent-fires-entire-staff-at-failing-school/
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Even if something is not to the letter of the contract but union members have customarily been doing it for a long time but decided to pull back when they are negotiating contract, such job action has been ruled to be the equivalent of a strike and is illegal.
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yeeeaahhh..... but it's hard to prove .... I think the legal term is "past practice"
Personally, I just think it's rather undignified and lacks class. Just like those Wisconsin teachers who got phony doctor notes so they could claim a sick day while they destroyed public property protesting at the State Capitol .... shame, shame, shame!
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What are the rules for taxpayers giving out their own fliers like the ones we've been seeing around town? Are we allowed to do so on school (public) property?
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I believe Lisa has tried it before and she was threatened with arrest. One thing to keep in mind is that BOE and the Superintendent are forbidding by law to tell you to vote YES for the budget. They can only present the budget for the voters to decide. If you can establish and have proof that they are promoting the budget and tell people to vote YES, like those BOE posts, then it is in violation of the law and they can be removed.
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Great questions. Always consult an attorney, as I am not one, but to the best of my knowledge:
1. Fliers are prohibited from being posted on LIPA poles and those responsible for posting them can be the recipients of hefty fines if prosecuted.
2. Fliers may not be placed on vehicles parked on school grounds.
Now, what would be the exception to the above rule? Well, you could stand at the entrance to the MS/HS and hand out fliers as people enter the school grounds for an evening event or meeting. You could also pass out fliers at LV sports events, I would think. And if anyone tries to stop you, dare them to arrest you like I did! It would make great news - I bet even FOX would pick it up! First Amendment!
Depending on the CONTENT of the flier, it MAY be permissible to distribute on school grounds IF the flier is purely informational such as Be Sure to Vote!
Placing fliers in IGA is relatively hopeless as the Budget Queens and their posse regularly rip down any anti-budget info. However, most of them are pretty short so if you tape the flier to the metal poles in the lot, they may survive awhile .... LOL
And a few "Doubt IB" bumper stickers around wouldn't hurt either!
Oh hey..... speaking of ..... so who can tell me why the IB Coordinator has his own secretary and why said secretary is going to be a chaperone on the IB trip to Denmark?
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And a shout out to all of my Wisconsin friends today .... SUPPORT SCOTT WALKER!!!!
What happens today in Wisconsin is HUGE in terms of the future of teacher's union powers.
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My mistake. The recall election isn't until June 5th. Today is just the (R) primary.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57407145-503544/scott-walker-recall-election-set-for-june-5/
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LV to get 6.24% State Aid, are they going to lower our tax levy? Guess not, they will tell you that is only "a drop in the bucket".
http://longisland.newsday.com/templates/simpleDB/?pid=446
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That 6.24% equals 170,000. That is a drop in the bucket given our budget. But it should help. To 'Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls", if the budget goes down, no one gets a say in what is cut. The budget will remain at it's current number. If you want to voice what you'd like to see cut, attend some meetings.
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How do you know we have not been to the meetings? As far as I am concerned, it is spilled milk. BOE signed a horrible union contract with "NO RAISES" if anyone with brain of the size of a pea will believe. BOE also said the step are required by law. Liars, liars, pants on fire! Every school district has its own steps schedule. Ours put us #2 in Nassau County in Per Student Cost.
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Perhaps you have been to meetings. Believe me if the BOE didn't have to deal with steps and ladders they wouldn't. If they didn't have to by law deal with pensions and tenure they wouldn't. I think if you learn more about us and other schools, you will find that our BOE has planned very well. We are not in a position like Jericho that is cutting 22 teachers. How far do you want to chip away at the education our children receive? What's more important than education? We have the furture of our nation to think about, or will you be happy when we no longer are free? Look at the big picture.
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mary,
I really feel sorry for you for being brainwashed and manipulated. My sister is on BOE in another school in Nassau. She confirmed I am correct. Our BOE caved in to the union while the old BOE stood firm. I hope you did not graduate from California public school after the tax cap there. If you did, you may be right about the tax cap damaging peiple.
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There is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED for 88 elective courses at the HS. None, nada, zip. Jericho had the foresight to reject IB years ago. If Jericho is cutting 22 teachers, then I guarantee it is cutting electives, not core courses.
Yes, we DO have the future of our nation to think about. If you continue to allow the public servants to bankrupt the taxpayers, there IS NO FUTURE! The time has come to CUT THE EXTRAS! Strengthen our core educational opportunities. Get rid of the excess.
Our BoE has NOT planned well. Our BoE has IGNORED the parents and taxpayers for almost a decade.
Wow! Congratulations LVCSD! Did I embarrass the district enough this morning with my comment about the Board Actions from February not being posted?
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_Actions/Feb_2012_Actions.pdf
Hmmmm, what was it they didn't want me to see .......
Math Coordinator, Mr. Robert Teseo and ELA Chairperson, Mr. Ted Cannone presented the Common Core
Curriculum requirements to be introduced by July 2012. The estimated cost to fulfill this program totals
$500,000:
Math - $300,000
New textbooks for grades K-8 and test prep materials
Professional development and instruction to fill gaps between NYS and Common Core topics
including attention to upper level High School IB courses
English Language Arts - $200,000
Preparation of curriculum writing and alignment with High School IB courses
Common Core CURRICULUM?????? How much are we paying Mr. Teseo and Mr. Cannone?
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Lisa,
What is common core? Is it something common? Are we the only district that is common? What is so different about our common that is not common? What is Pi? Isn't it 3.1415928...? Is there anything that I missed? How come the common core in Malvern is different from our common? I don't know what else is not common but definitely our price tag and Malvern is one order of magnitude apart.
The year 2008 redefined our economy. It changed most people's lives, especially our youngsters except for the tentured teachers of course.
How's the BOE meeting so far? More lies?
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Anon,
I'm watching the O'Reilly Factor. Hilarious Klintonista is calling for "civility" and criticizing Rush Limbaugh.
Common Core STANDARDS, or as I prefer to call them, Commie Core Standards, were developed by the Federal DoE by Arne Duncan and tied to the Race to the Top money. They're BS! I guarantee you we meet or exceed all of the "standards" these clowns put together! Common Core STANDARDS are not a written CURRICULUM which dictates specific content, lessons to be taught.
Core Knowledge is a CURRICULUM for grades K-8 and one I highly recommend. Core Knowledge aligns with the Common Core STANDARDS and even states it as such on it website. But LVCSD can't simply adopt Core Knowledge and save over $1M in "curriculum writing", can it? Do you see any mention of Core Knowledge in the February Board Actions? NO! Of course you don't! You see a load of BS about curriculum writing and alignment with IB!!!!!!!!!! WTF???
Don't let them pull the wool over your eyes and "wow" you with their alleged intellectual prowess and breadth of understanding of the "big picture". They're a bunch of whining cowards who excuse excessive governmental intervention by trying to twist it into mandatory spending on stuff that isn't the least bit mandatory and which already EXISTS.
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It sounds a scam to me. When we are not giving them raises, we let them reinvent the wheels by rewriting the curriculum. It is good for the economy by moving money from our pocket to theirs through this creative activity.
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IT IS A SCAM! A BIG FAT PROGRESSIVE GLOBALIST SCAM! Are you people FINALLY starting to GET IT????
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Lisa,
You missed out bit time. It what people say it is not what you see, it is what you don't see that is most important. In the posted BOE Actions, there is a whole section of Stipend paid to poor teachers like Alan Stellaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. The problem is that there are no numbers in the BOE Action posted. I hope it was not like that when BOE voted to approve it. If so, it is like a blank check.
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Anon,
IB is proprietary, in other words, not transparent. For LVCSD to claim it has to align everything else with "IB standards" is a JOKE! Why in God's name should a public school district have to spend millions to "align" the rest of its curriculum with "standards" created by UNESCO? It's a huge, globalist Ponzi scheme, the stipends are incidental.
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Oh Mary please WAKE UP!!! You don't need to pay GYM teachers $145K a year and have an average pay of $107K a for the rest to educate our kids properly. What good is a high school diploma if I can't afford to send my kids to college. I had savings accounts setup for my children when they born and had money set aside. Guess what? I have had to clean out those accounts to pay my school taxes. WHY? So teachers can teach only 3.3 hours a day (by contract) and retire with 50% pay. Enough already. You are either a teacher or a FOOL!!! You are not kidding anyone.
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So I ask you , what should a teacher be paid? The person that is educating your child. The person that is responsible for helping them to learn to read, write, comprehend, understand the world around us? What value do you place on that? THere are people out there that make a hell of a lot of money doing far less involved jobs than teachers, should they get bigger bucks? what do they contribute to the future of our country?
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"Liars, liars pants on fire" ??? Really
I prefer: "Ring around the rosy" or "Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall"
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Here we go saveBayville - I'll host your flier .... but I would like some back up on getting rid of IB!
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Locust_Valley_School_District_Excess_Cartoon_1_.pdf
http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/iblocustvalleyny.html
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Well thank you Lisa. We agree that IB must go, but "SaveBayville" needs to focus on defeating the budget for now. Our children and us will have no future in this town if we don't arrest the out of control spending.
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You're welcome. We need to work together to defeat the budget. TWICE. It's time to cut off the ever-giving ATM. Take away the keys to the cars AND the country club memberships. Let's get back to deciding what is LOCALLY EXCELLENT and ESSENTIAL and to hell with all of this Federal/International BS!
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ATTN LVCSD HS TEACHERS:
I would like to bring the following to your attention:
http://handbooks.ibo.org/exist/rest/app/pub.xql?doc=d_0_dpyyy_vmx_1009_1_e&container=1&part=9&chapter=5&fb_source=message
coordinator or teacher
Breaches of regulations are not confined to candidates: improper conduct by a coordinator or teacher may be brought to the attention of the final award committee. The following are examples of unacceptable actions that will be investigated by the IB.
The unauthorized rescheduling of an examination.
Failing to keep the examination papers secure prior to an examination.
Opening examination paper packets prior to an examination.
Providing a candidate with undue assistance in the production of any work that contributes to the assessment requirements of the Diploma Programme.
Leaving candidates unsupervised during an examination.
Allowing additional time in examinations without authorization from the IB.
Releasing an examination paper, or otherwise disclosing information about the content of a paper, within 24 hours after the examination.
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Noticed they (BOE, PTA...) are not posing in the last couple of hours? They are in meeting as we speak.
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Yes we were at the BOE meeting too bad you were not. I am a former teacher. Good call. Thus, I believe in the Public School System. It affords opportunities to everyone. Did you not read that letter in the leader that said we pay out a lot of money for special needs kids? We also pay a lot for BOCES. Should we deny our children the right to education? I don't think so!! Especially since Lisa's child was a part of that program. Do you know what it costs to send a child to a BOCES program is? Ours is a changing world we need to give our students every opportunity to find their strengths and let them fly. You all are fools to think that voting down the budget helps your cause. It only hurts the education our children receive. THE problem is the State. How can we possibly manage when we are continually bombarded with unfunded mandates that are unsound? The Common Core for example.. Did you know that we must follow this mandate, buy all new books to support it? Who is making out here? Oh! the publishers and the companies that will eventually score the tests. And guess who that is? A company owned by none other that Bill Gates! Not to mention that the tests they will use to assess the students on the Common Core do not align with the Common Core; it says so on their websites! How Bright of the State! Enough, I hope someone buys your house tomorrow Lisa and you are out of here. You are a cancer in our community. Your children benefitted from this district and deep down you know it. I feel really sorry for you. Rather than support a wonderful, diverse community you are divisive and angry.
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Too bad I couldn't go to the BOE meeting? You rich former teachers. Did it ever occur to you that I am a single mother with children that I cannot afford to pay someone to watch my kids so I can go to BOE meetings? You and your rich BOE members who live in million dollar homes have no idea how we, the common people, struggle everyday to find sales on milk and cheaper gas so my kids can have warm meals every day.
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Mary,
I'm pretty sure the $125,000+ in school taxes I have paid over the last 35 years have gone to support LVCSD and more than made up for the tuition LVCSD paid to BOCES for my children. You have the nerve to attack my children and myself and then opine about how "wonderful and diverse" Bayville is? When I lived on the street you live on now, I remember a bunch of your neighbors forming a posse to burn down a house because the seller, (kidding around), said he sold to a black family. Don't tell me that if a bunch of black boys wearing hoodies were strolling on your block it wouldn't cause more than one neighbor to call the police as "suspicious". Diverse and wonderful, what a hypocrite! Why don't you sell your hovel in the flood zone and buy my house, Mary? Put your money where your mouth is.
You need to understand something. Common Core STANDARDS are just that. STANDARDS. No state or federal authority is FORCING LVCSD to purchase ANYTHING to align our current educational offerings with Common Core. LVCSD can continue to ignore State standards and Federal standards to its heart's content, as long as it doesn't apply for RTTT money, all of which is "designed" as a social justice scam for Title I schools (which we are not). Get it? As you astutely point out, who benefits from the fools who buy into this Ponzi scheme? Bill Gates! You do realize that poor white and Jewish children are ineligible for the Gates Millenium Scholarship, right? And if LVCSD had bothered to map the curriculum being taught in its schools over the years, it would be able to demonstrate how each grade level's syllabus meets the Common Core standards.
Save your vile pity, Mary. It's quite unbecoming.
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So you are a teacher Mary, I thought so. Stop reading from your union newsletter and save us your non-sense. The average income for this area is $75 per person. So a teacher should not not be making more than the average tax payer. Adjust that to the part time work they do, teaching 3.3 hours a day and only 183 days and then edjust their pay to that. Then adjust it for the future pension income they will get. Are you getting the picture now Mary?? You don't need to over pay someone to get a good teacher. Over payingg of teachers just attracts "gold diggers" and NOT those interested in teaching. You are a vile person to use the name of our children to line your pockets. You are sadly the typical teacher. My childs college fund had been wiped out to pay for your pension. I hope you sleep well at night.
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Mary you are NOT a retired teacher. You are a retired blood sucking leach. Don't ever confuse what you did with teaching. This district is a lie, and you are part of it. Peel back the layers and you can see how "well" we do. When you compare our standardized exam scores against those of other schools the truth comes out and you see how bad we are. The community is waking up, $35K a year per student and that is not enough??? Does your greed have no bounds.
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A lot of things happened before 2008 when the greed of Wall Street like Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers took us all down. LVCSD has always been very generous to the teachers, too generous. But time was good, all one has to do was to take out home equity loans to pay more taxes. Peopls say, who cares? Than it came the economic tsunami. Most of either get no raise, or pay cut, or even lost jobs and business. We asked the teachers to go easy. What did we get? The union took out their NYS war chest and threw BOE under the bus. Then, they got another four years of sweetheart contract.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!
FOUR OF OUR BOE LIVE IN MULTIMILLION DOLLAR HOMES
JACK DOLCE LATTINGTOWN, WATER FRONT
CARL FRIEDRICH BROOKVILLE GOLDMAN SACHS
ERIKA BRUNO OAK NECK POINT, WATER FRONT
SUZANNE SGUEGLIA OAK NECK POINT, FAMILY OWNS SHOPPING CENTER IN TOWN
AND GOD KNOWS WHERE THE HUNDERFUNDS LIVE.
Do you see the problem now? Do they know how the rest of the world (other than teachers and former teachers) live?
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Yes the BOE knows how the rest of the world lives. Just because they are educated individuals that have worked hard and achieved a great deal, doesn't mean they have lost sight of how others live. LVCSD and the Teacher's Union settled on a fair contract. The teacher's did not get a raise. As for the steps and lanes; they can be negotiated out of a contract, HOWEVER legally the teachers are entitled to that money. So what happens is, a higher raise will be negotiated. This was the case in Rockville Center. Not saying its fair, but that is how it is. If the State of New York would release Locust Valley from the STUPID MANDATES it has created, we could function on a lower budget. Take it to your legislators, I have.
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"Yes the BOE knows how the rest of the world lives."
You replied to that post within 30 minutes early in the morning. How do you know the BOE knows how the rest of the world lives? Do you personally know all of them? Are you friends with them? Have you asked each and every one of them, or have you talked to them about this subject before? Or maybe you are one of them!
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I am not a BOE member. Yes I have had many converstions with the members and have come to understand their views. I am a former teacher and believe in education. As for Drivers Ed, if it were to be dropped from the budget, parents would have to pay anywhere from 500-700 to send their child to Portledge or somewhere else to learn to drive. Just an FYI, that cost is more than the average tax would go up in Bayville and Locust Valley. P.S. Did you ever stop to think that I am a private school teacher, that does not get the same benefits as a public school teacher. I'm for education. Get it Now?
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Mary,
I get it now. Someone may be educated but not necessarily intelligent. Do you know these two are not always consequencial? Well, private school teachers do not have to be certified so I guess you are not - unless you and your parents were public school teachers. In any event, before you post any numbers, you should do your homework. Our neighbor OB-EN school district offers their students to pay $455 for driver's ed. See link below:
http://emdsonline.net/Documents/Oyster%20Bay%20SP12%20Reg.pdf
Oh, what's the big deal. The difference is only a drop in the bucket. Oyster Bay students pay but, oh, we are different. We are LVCSD. Students can also get learner's permit by taking online courses, which cost significantly less than a drop in the bucket.
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Hey Mary and mary, are you two the same person or both are assumed names? You used quite a few key words in your post:
"The teacher's did not get a raise."
"(steps) the teachers are entitled to that money"
"If the State of New York would release Locust Valley from the STUPID MANDATES"
"we could function on a lower budget"
Do you really expect anyone will believe these outright lies? One of you posted "$170K is a drop in the bucket", and Mr. BOE considers Driver's Ed plus maintaining two student driver cars at $150K is also a drop in the bucket. I have some news for you, it is third grade math to do:
$170K x 6 = $1.02 Million
Six drops in the bucket is more than ONE MILLION DOLLARS.
Can you find six drops?
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Lisa, you are truly a godsend. In this world and local school district of greed and waste you are a ray of hope. You provide facts that stand up to scrutiny and truly have the best interests of our children in mind. I am new to this blog but I was never quite aware how bad the state of our school district was until I started to look into it. Teachers contracted to work 3.3 hours a day and paid up $150K a year!!!
Many teachers I know complain about the students they teach. Maybe it's not the students or parents fault, but rather the teachers of such low moral standard that teach our children. This feeling of entitlement that the teachers display is sadly rubbing off on our children. Please keep up the fight Lisa, we will support you best we can.
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Thank you for your kind words, John.
I know exactly who Mary is. Her irresponsible actions posting enlargements of the Newsday article touting trumped up charges against dear departed Madeline Walsh all over town during the Marchand-Seigel mayoral election, were absolutely despicable.
Unfortunately, there are quite a few "Mary's" in Bayville. They are nothing but brown-nosing brownshirts who worship at the alter of Karl Marx.
Good luck in taking back your schools. You're going to need it!
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Mary you are such a poor liar. We know you don't teach for a private school. Our children can take Drivers Ed anywhere and it would still be cheaper than paying a "GOLD COAST" locust valley teacher six figures plus a pension to do it.
They don't need to go to Portledge, they can go to any commercial school for half the price. And we wouldn't we paying for the instructors pension if they take it somewhere else. It is easy to see whay our kids are failing when people like you and your ilk are teaching them. You should be sitting at home like Benstock and doing the kids a favor.
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Even in the election years with the biggest voter turnout, usually less than 2,000 of the 13,000 registered voters in LVCSD turn out. To the new, young families who want to be able to afford to raise their children in a beautiful, safe, picturesque village, you need to get the other 11,000 (or at least another 2,000) registered voters to come out and SUPPORT FAMILY AND THE AMERICAN DREAM! Contrary to the beliefs of the Mary's of this world, making BMW's and trips around the world common fare for LVCSD teachers is NOT the American dream! I shudder to think what university will cost when your kids are of age for college. Just remember, if they're white and poor, they're not eligible for a Bill & Melinda Gates Scholarship.
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jUST WONDERING
“IB is well known to us for excellent preparations. Success in an IB program correlates well with success at Harvard. We are always pleased to see the credentials of the IB Diploma Program on the transcript.”
Marilyn McGrath Lewis Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Harvard University
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BWAHAHAHAHA! The IB quote spammer is back! LOLOLOLOL!
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Stop wondering! Harvard University accepts far far more AP stucents than IB students. Frankly, I have work to do so I can pay my taxes. I only care how much we spend per student. Don't tell me the union is entitled to their raises or whatever you want to call it, I don't care. Don't tell me new and old unfunded mandates, those apply to all the schools in NYS and not just LVCSD. I only care why we are #2 the highest in Nassau County. Do you have any research to back up the theory that the higher the per student cost, the better the students will perform? Maybe if we pay each HS student $100 as incentive to take the IB exam, we will soon be #1 on Newsweek list. What LVCSD does by paying for the exams is no different from buying the ranking. Since you are doing it, why not go all the way so you can tell us in your graduation speech taht LVCSD is now #1 in the nation!
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Wow who could argue with a paid endorsement like that? Are you serious, can you tell me many Harvard alumni we have from LV? I'm waiting!!!
Bottom line, if your SAT's aren't up to par Harvard won't even be reviewing your application, IB or no IB.
Famous Harvard Alumnis:
Charles Schumer
The Una Bomber
Barack Obama
Yeh, based on their famous alumni, I would say that endorsment is worth less than cow shit. You see, at least cow shit will help your garden. That endorsement doesn't help anyone but the IB phoneys stealing our money.
You teachers are pathetic, break is over. Get back to what you call work and do something to earn your $125K a year salaries.
You want the truth about IB? Go here and learn http://truthaboutib.com
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Ryan,
Robert Buonaspina 2011 $130,643 plus benefit ($35K, a drop in the bucket).
Lisa,
How many courses does Mr. B teach?
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IBO MANDATES A .5 teaching position as an IB Coordinator for every IB program in a district. Not NYS, not the U.S. DoE, IBO. During the first two years of IB, LVHS went through 3 IB Coordinators. Now that Mr. B has comfortably settled into his role as IB Dear Leader, word on the street is that he even has his own secretary! Let's not forget those extra stipends Mr. B receives for the IB leadership Club, Model UN and who knows what else.
But I promised not to pick on Mr. B who isn't exactly a walking advertisement for GQ or Sports Illustrated. God forbid he should collapse of a heart attack, I'm sure I would be blamed for killing him.
I think Mr. B only teaches one or two classes, but I could be wrong.
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I saw him the list of teachers pay I got from SaveBaville. You can email them at savebayville@yahoo.com and they'll send you full list of all our teachers. There are a lot of teachers. You need to print the list and pass it around. The GYM teacher making $145K a year had me shocked.
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"Christopher Schmid to the stipend position of Chemical Hygiene Officer for the 2011/2012 school year effective February 1, 2012"
LOL! "Chemical Hygiene Officer"? LOLOLOL! Oh stop it, LVCSD, you're killing me.
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Hey! I want a position as the LVCSD Propaganda Hygiene Officer! I'm sick and tired of cleaning up their lies. How much of a stipend should I receive?
Chemical Hygiene Officer...... LOL .... the guy is a Chemistry Teacher, shouldn't he be cleaning up the chemicals as part of his JOB? We, the taxpayers, have to pay EXTRA to have this over-paid teacher make sure the chemicals are secured and safe? Really?
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It must have to do with that poor kid got second degree burn in the chemistry lab. Hope he is OK.
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That's a rather broad assumption. Why would a teacher be rewarded with a stipend if a child was injured in his class?
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Chemical Hygiene Officer ????? OK now I know that members of the administration and/or BOE went to the Bernard Madoff School of Ponzi Schemes.
Very interesting reading on this blog. @Lisa, thanks for the info. @ Mary as a former teacher, you know the saying "you get what you pay for" We are not getting the education for our students when compared to teacher salaries. It's like paying for a BMW and a VW is delivered. The district is out of control and the PONZI Scheme has to be STOPPED.
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I had a dream, I wanted to go to college and I did. When I woke up, I found out I am still paying for my student loan. Now, my son says to me, Mom I have a dream, I want to go to college. I say to him, foreget about it, go to work for the school district and your life will be taken care of.
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That's a good one, but I think it is an oxymoron to say you work for the school district.
When I retire I want to become a teacher. See that makes sense.
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Ryan,
I don't know how old you are. People of my age used to joke about "bankers' hour" because banks used to close at 3. Guess what, now we can joke about teachers' hour. I think it is a good retirement job too. You may have competition.
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My heart really bleeds for the kids. For next year regardless of voting outcome, there are only going to be $73M for 2,000 some kids to share for the entire year. OMG! I can't stand it.
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I suppose I really shouldn't care. My kids are done. But I actually do care about the future of our country, our children and my future grandchildren.
I don't care how many of you hate me, out there. You mean nothing to me. Because I know I speak the truth. And that's why those of you who hate me the most also fear me the most. Good.
Things get lost in the sauce on this blog and that's okay, because I think we've had some very healthy conversation going on. I'm glad to see what appears to be some new voices.
But I really, really want an explanation of what the heck this is supposed to mean. I am not a dummy. You cannot fast-talk me to buy this educationese like a good little girl. It's crap. Let's 'splain:
Math Coordinator, Mr. Robert Teseo and ELA Chairperson, Mr. Ted Cannone presented the Common Core
Curriculum requirements to be introduced by July 2012. The estimated cost to fulfill this program totals
$500,000:
Problem #1 - There is NO SUCH ANIMAL as a Common Core CURRICULUM
Math - $300,000
New textbooks for grades K-8 and test prep materials
Professional development and instruction to fill gaps between NYS and Common Core topics including attention to upper level High School IB courses
Problem #2 - Excuse me? Why on earth would K-8 Math have anything to do with 11th & 12th Grade Math courses? Fill the gaps? Gaps between what and what? Can LVHS produce a syllabus for IB Math Methods and IB Further Mathematics and please explain how looking at those is going to help make sure 3rd graders know their multiplication tables?
English Language Arts - $200,000
Preparation of curriculum writing and alignment with High School IB courses
Test prep materials and costs to prepare for new and revised State Assessments
Problem #3 - Gee, I wonder where the syllabus for teaching grammar might reside within IB English? What's that? They don't teach grammar in IB English? So how exactly are we going to "align" with that to align with Common Core Standards to align with NYS standards and syllabi? Does this mean all NYS standards and regulations are irrelevant? Or were they always irrelevant to begin with since there's no such thing as a "curriculum cop" at the State or Fed level!!!! IT'S A SCAM!
You want a solid, FREE K-8 CURRICULUM that meets Common Core STANDARDS - go with Core Knowledge.
Then do your Regents/AP at the HS and you'll be just fine.
Stop reinventing the wheel. It's exhausting!
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I saw this political cartoon on the link
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Locust_Valley_School_District_Excess_Cartoon_1_.pdf
and wonder who the pig farmer looks like. I am sure I have seen his face but can't place it. Anyone recognize him?
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Alex,
Where is Gaby in the cartoon? One of the sows?
Haven't you learned from BOE and Mary? $170K is only a drop in the bucket. In that sense, the teachers' average salary is a lot less than a drop in the bucket. BOE is kissing up to the union so they can get reelected. The problem is that we have to pay 200 drops in the bucket, which comes to $35K per student. I can find a lot, and I mean a lot, of colleges that the annual tuition is less than that.
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Who is this guy, know him?
http://www.theleaderonline.com/2009/Oct7/WebLVHS%202009%20Homecoming%20LVCSD%20BOE%20President%20Jack%20Dolce%2010.3.09_8_1.gif
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Lisa,
I spent about an hour today at the new york state dept of education trying to locate anywhere, SOMEWHERE, that MARY, was claiming that this " new" curriculum was taking place and what exactly was needed!!!! Books she was talking of etc...,.,,. SO I found a few line highlighted in yellow to tell of some changes! At no cost to the tax payer yet!
I personally think i'm chasing my tail, but like they say! HEY YA NEVER KNOW!!!
Lol
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
Good for you for doing some research on your own, but I assure you, you will not find anything to "support" LVCSD's false claims about unfunded "mandates" at the state level. The following is a detailed "map" of how IB wants to force the adoption of all its programs by public schools to make a grab for our taxdollars:
http://www.ibo.org/arra/documents/IBARRAGuideFinal.pdf
"A series of technical input meetings have taken place to discuss how to best develop assessments tied to the common set of standards being
defined by the Common Core consortium of
states. At the session focusing on high school assessments, the IB assessment model was included in the discussion of successful models."
It is a SCAM! Let's go back 5 years and see what Arne Duncan planned even prior to Obama's election:
world conference for heads of IB World schools International Baccalaureate in cooperation with California International Baccalaureate Organization (CIBO)
Heads Standing Association (HSA)
October 11–14, 2007, Hyatt Regency Hotel, San Francisco, California, USA
http://www.ibo.org/heads/conference2007/documents/IBGH-comp.pdf
Excerpt p 7:
1. Using the IB for Systemic Reform in North America
ARNE DUNCAN, DENNIS COCHRANE
Arne Duncan, Superintendent of Chicago Public Schools, and
Dennis Cochrane, Deputy Minister of Education for the
Province of Nova Scotia, will expand on their panel discussion
of the introduction of the IB throughout each of their school
districts.
"SYSTEMIC REFORM" - as Americans, those words should scare you. Why should our public school system be reformed by UNESCO?
The blatant LIES being espoused by LVCSD about a COMMON CORE CURRICULUM are disgusting. Stop LYING LVCSD! I've caught you on your website AND your Board Actions repeating this COMMON CORE CURRICULUM lie. Twice in print. Don't tell me I have to attend Board meetings or hear the LVCSD fearmongering and rhetoric first-hand. STOP MAKING STUFF UP and teach the kids.
Reduce the LVCSD budget by $3M or face the wrath of the public.
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You need to print the cartoon and start handing it out, putting on cars, leaving in public places. People will wake up when they see the money being spent. You can use your local library if you don't have a printer. You can email us at savebayville@yahoo.com for a copy.
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Is this the common core?
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/ciai/common_core_standards/
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Yes! Primary source material! The following excerpt is KEY to understanding what Common Core STANDARDS consist of and what they are NOT:
"What is NOT covered by the Standards?
The Standards should be recognized for what they are not as well as what
they are. The most important intentional design limitations are as follows:
1) The Standards define what all students are expected to know and
be able to do, not how teachers should teach. For instance, the
use of play with young children is not specified by the Standards,
but it is welcome as a valuable activity in its own right and as a
way to help students meet the expectations in this document.
Furthermore, while the Standards make references to some
particular forms of content, including mythology, foundational
U.S. documents, and Shakespeare, they do not—indeed,
cannot—enumerate all or even most of the content that students
should learn. The Standards must therefore be complemented by
a well-developed, content-rich curriculum consistent with the
expectations laid out in this document.
2) While the Standards focus on what is most essential, they do not
describe all that can or should be taught. A great deal is left to the
discretion of teachers and curiculum developers. The aim of the
Standards is to articulate the fundamentals, not to set out an
exhaustive list or a set of restrictions that limits what can be
taught beyond what is specified herein.
3) The Standards do not define the nature of advanced work for
students who meet the Standards prior to the end of high school.
For those students, advanced work in such areas as literature,
composition, language, and journalism should be available. This
work should provide the next logical step up from the college
and career readiness baseline established here."
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Here is something about the governor forming an unfunded mandate relief committee.
http://www.governor.ny.gov/assets/documents/finalmandate.pdf
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And this document demonstrates the complete and total hypocrisy of the AFT, NEA and SEIU which give close to 100% of their political contributions from union dues to the Democrats who have come up with these Federal Common Core Standards which NYS did NOT have to sign on to! Virginia didn't sign on. Neither did Texas. But NOW they see that the public is getting wise to their over the top salaries and pensions so they have to LAY BLAME somewhere. Cuomo is a Democrat, a very crafty Democrat.
The only way to stop this "social justice" charade is to cut off the purse strings. Stop playing politics with children! It's disgusting!
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Not looking to take political sides or anything. As I stated below, Marcellino mentioned this committee. This is what I found after a Google search.
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When you are dealing with government schools, it's nothing BUT politics. It is impossible to separate academics from politics in public schools. Just because someone has an (R) after their name, doesn't mean they are faithful to their oath to uphold the Constitution.
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it is all politics! And business! The Common Core is real, look at other States.. New York is not making it up. It is STUPID!! Locust Valley did not sign on for the Federal monies, but New York State did. As a result we must comply. Locust Valley doesn't have a choice regarding Common Core. If we don't comply, we are subject to fines etc. by the state. I believe that Locust Valley already does above and beyond, what the State suggests. It is a sad situation that our children's educational future, and future over all is placed in the hands of politicians that have no place in education. What is the goal here? Aren't we supposed to be raising well rounded educated children that are our future? Our Job is to prepare them for the future. Shouldn't that be our focus? Shouldn't making sure that we have intelligent people to run our country be a priority? Aren't you scared that we won't have what we have now in 5 to 10 years? It's the future of education, not IB. Think of the bigger picture as i have said before. Also, I am not the Mary that put flyers anywhere in the community. I don't live in Locust Valley . I did and I want what is best for the children.
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The Mary who put up the fliers doesn't live in Locust Valley either.
"If we don't comply, we are subject to fines etc. by the state"
Really, Mary? Back up that statement please. I want to see the exact NYSE law that imposes fines for "failure to comply with Common Core Standards". You can't fine for failure to comply if the district is ALREADY IN COMPLIANCE!
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Unfunded mandates
http://www.upstateconservatives.org/Unfunded-Mandate-Relief-.html
http://www.blindbrook.org/home/Budget2011-12/Unfunded%20Mandates.pdf
http://www.nygop.org/page/mandate-relief
Common Core
http://engageny.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ccsstimeline.pdf
http://engageny.org/common-core/
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Who are you Mr. Anon? Are you John Benstock? Here is (second link) what you guys are complaining about:
Megan's Law
Fingerprinting of Potential Employees
Automatic External Defibrillator (AED's)
Learning Standards
Character Education
and keep on reading, you guys are complaining about (the cost of) implementing Corporal Punishment or forbidding it?
Why don't we cut out the cost of running Continuing Education featuring food and wine tasting at Brass Rail (property owned by BOE familay)?
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Maybe there should be a Music Hygiene Officer
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I am not complaining - just googling some info. and sharing it. Someone above said they were looking for common core info. and there was a suggestion that this unfunded mandate relief effort was false. Just trying to show what's out there. Marcellino said at his meeting that there was a committee formed. Looking for info. on that I found the other stuff.
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Anon,
Hope you can find just one other district with a $2.1 MILLION tag regarding NEW UNFUNDED MANDATES.
Either our BOE is stupid, or they think we are gullible, or maybe both. LVCSD is the ONLY district with the $2.1M tag.
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Well, we will find out in May exactly HOW stupid and gullible LVCSD voters really are.
Grow some backbone, LVCSD voters! VOTE NO TWICE!
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Can you say with 100% certainty that LV is the only district with 2.1 million in mandates?
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They're NOT mandates! The whole thing is a scam! So whether a district is claiming $200,000 or $2M it doesn't matter - the "Mandate Madness" claim is nothing but a ruse for the teacher's union to hide behind when the teacher's union supported the adoption of these "STANDARDS" in the first place!
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This is interesting:
http://www.andrewcuomo.com/CuomoCentral/press/press-release/2011-01-governor-cuomo-to-launch-weekly-webcast-series-for-s
"Alexis Kirschbaum, an Advanced Placement United States Government teacher at Staten Island Technical High School, said, "I am excited that our school will be participating in Governor Cuomo's educational initiative and that our students will have this incredible opportunity to be actively engaged with their government officials. The leadership of the Governor will help our students develop a greater degree of civic participation and responsibility for their role in New York's future."
Oh look! Jericho and CSH are participants! AP U.S. Government? Uh, duh, what's that?
In 1995-96, 17 LVHS students took AP U.S. Govt. & Politics - 82% scored a '3' or better.
In 2006-07, 17 LVHS students took AP U.S. Govt. & Politics - 29.4% scored a '3' or better
In 2010-11, one (1) student independently took the AP U.S. Govt & Politics exam and scored a '4'.
It is quite astounding when you isolate a subject like U.S. Government & Politics and examine the deliberat, destructive path LVCSD has taken to make your children ignorant of how our government and politics work. This is not by "chance". This is by "design".
Restore traditional American education NOW!
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East Williston (Website, 3/10/2012)
Enrollment: 1,736
120 AP Scholars (Jr and Sr)
4 AP National Scholars
1 Siemens Award Regional Finalist
8 National Merit Finalist
100% Varsity Scholar Athleths
100% Graduation Rate
100% Regents Diploma
83% Advanced Regents Diploma
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https://nominations.gmsp.org/gmsp_app/default.aspx
Who’s Eligible?
Students are eligible to be considered for a GMS scholarship if they meet all of the following criteria:
Are African American, American Indian/Alaska Native*, Asian Pacific Islander American** or Hispanic American
So if you are Asian or Caucasian and poor, Bill Gates doesn't want to help YOUR child!
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Would somebody please explain to me why the numbers in this LVCSD doc. do not "align" with the BoE's Board Actions report from June, 2011?
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_of_Education/taxcapchart.pdf
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_Actions/June_2011_Actions.pdf
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Never mind, I figured it out - the stat used was PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, not total budget:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Agenda/budget.pdf
$70,617,762
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Right they are NOT " NOT" mandates!!!
On January 10th, 2011, the Board of Regents approved the """"""recommended """""additions to the Common Core Learning Standards for English Language Arts & Literacy and Common Core Learning Standards for Mathematics, plus a new set of Prekindergarten Standards. The documents can be accessed below. Additional information about statewide implementation and the development of P-12 curriculum models will be posted to this website.
SEE THEY ARE RECOMMEDED!!
So basically, where does it say we NEED NEW books and all that nonsense mary speaks of?
Here take a look for yourselves!
Or maybe mary has some govermental proof?
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/ciai/common_core_standards/
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Exactly so, Haveyouwalked.
Basic definitions:
STANDARDS: http://www.bsigroup.com/en/Standards-and-Publications/About-standards/What-is-a-standard/
It is a published document that contains a technical specification or other precise criteria designed to be used consistently as a rule, GUIDELINE, or definition
Standards are designed for voluntary use and do not impose any regulations.
Unfunded Mandate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfunded_mandate
"In United States law and politics, unfunded mandates are regulations or conditions for receiving grants that impose costs on state or local governments or private entities for which they are not reimbursed by the federal or State governments."
You've got $73M guaranteed with a 0% increase, LVCSD! What kind of snakeoil are you trying to sell?
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Right they are NOT " NOT" mandates!!!
On January 10th, 2011, the Board of Regents approved the """"""recommended """""additions to the Common Core Learning Standards for English Language Arts & Literacy and Common Core Learning Standards for Mathematics, plus a new set of Prekindergarten Standards. The documents can be accessed below. Additional information about statewide implementation and the development of P-12 curriculum models will be posted to this website.
SEE THEY ARE RECOMMEDED!!
So basically, where does it say we NEED NEW books and all that nonsense mary speaks of?
Here take a look for yourselves!
Or maybe mary has some govermental proof?
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/ciai/common_core_standards/
You don't need new books. Math is math, no matter how you write a textbook. It is the true international language.
Of course awarding a new book contract might net the buyer at our a school a nice gratuity if you know what I mean
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LVCSD will climb to #1 in per pupil cost before being #1 in anything else.
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Is someone at LVCSD trying to get a book contract?
That went right over my head? Maybe? Not?
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So let me get this straight. LVCSD is going to be spending millions on "new" textbooks for "new" curriculum which is supposed to align with the "new" Common Core Standards and not a single committee or Site Base Team has discussed this process K-12? No one, other than the Dept. chairs has decided what materials will be used and in what fashion? Textbooks have not been reviewed for Leftist rhetoric or anti-American bias?
What proof does LVCSD have that the textbooks, materials and CURRICULUM currently being taught in 2012 doesn't meet Common Core Standards? What proof? Show us what you've already GOT instead of telling us "we need a new pony!"
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LVCSD #2 in NO votes 2011-2012
LVCSD Tax Increase 2011-2012 5.81%
http://litaxes.blogspot.com/2011/05/long-island-school-budget-vote-analysis.html
http://litaxes.blogspot.com/2011/04/proposed-school-budgets-for-2011-2012.html
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Thanks Lisa for letting us know the true story
I suppose I really shouldn't care. My kids are done. But I actually do care about the future of our country, our children and my future grandchildren.
I don't care how many of you hate me, out there. You mean nothing to me. Because I know I speak the truth. And that's why those of you who hate me the most also fear me the most. Good.
Things get lost in the sauce on this blog and that's okay, because I think we've had some very healthy conversation going on. I'm glad to see what appears to be some new voices.
But I really, really want an explanation of what the heck this is supposed to mean. I am not a dummy. You cannot fast-talk me to buy this educationese like a good little girl. It's crap. Let's 'splain:
Math Coordinator, Mr. Robert Teseo and ELA Chairperson, Mr. Ted Cannone presented the Common Core
Curriculum requirements to be introduced by July 2012. The estimated cost to fulfill this program totals
$500,000:
Problem #1 - There is NO SUCH ANIMAL as a Common Core CURRICULUM
Math - $300,000
New textbooks for grades K-8 and test prep materials
Professional development and instruction to fill gaps between NYS and Common Core topics including attention to upper level High School IB courses
Problem #2 - Excuse me? Why on earth would K-8 Math have anything to do with 11th & 12th Grade Math courses? Fill the gaps? Gaps between what and what? Can LVHS produce a syllabus for IB Math Methods and IB Further Mathematics and please explain how looking at those is going to help make sure 3rd graders know their multiplication tables?
English Language Arts - $200,000
Preparation of curriculum writing and alignment with High School IB courses
Test prep materials and costs to prepare for new and revised State Assessments
Problem #3 - Gee, I wonder where the syllabus for teaching grammar might reside within IB English? What's that? They don't teach grammar in IB English? So how exactly are we going to "align" with that to align with Common Core Standards to align with NYS standards and syllabi? Does this mean all NYS standards and regulations are irrelevant? Or were they always irrelevant to begin with since there's no such thing as a "curriculum cop" at the State or Fed level!!!! IT'S A SCAM!
You want a solid, FREE K-8 CURRICULUM that meets Common Core STANDARDS - go with Core Knowledge.
Then do your Regents/AP at the HS and you'll be just fine.
Stop reinventing the wheel. It's exhausting!
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Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:09 PM
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Here are the tax increases since Jack Dolce became BOE President in 2008:
2008-2009 5.47%
2009-2010 3.38%
2010-2011 3.56%
2011-2012 5.81%
Total compounded tax increase since 2008
19.48%
2012-2013 ?
Already almost a 20% increase before next school year, enough is enough!
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Btw, the term "compounded" is key. Remember, it's not just a 20% increase on top of the initial budget in 2008.
10,000 becomes 10,547.
10,547 becomes 10,903.48
10 903.48 becomes 11,291.64
11,291.64 becomes 11,947.68
If LVCSD gets its 2.68% increase, the bill goes to $12,267.87
$2,268 INCREASE IN 5 YEARS???? (or $1,134 for an "average" home?)
My TOTAL property taxes were $2300 in 1990!!!!!
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Lisa,
Seems your old pal thinks the Common Core will cost billions of dollars. The interner is full of people who agree with him. interesting article.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/class-struggle/post/why-common-core-standards-will-fail/2012/02/23/gIQATLgbUR_blog.html
Why Common Core standards will fail
By Jay Mathews
Virginia, take a bow.
While Maryland, 44 other states and the District are spending billions of dollars to install new national standards for their schools, Virginia has stuck with the standards it has. Mounting evidence shows Virginia is right, and the others wrong.
Common Core standards are the educational fashion of the moment, but your child’s teacher can name many similar plans that went awry. I was impressed at first with the brain power and good intentions behind the Common Core standards, launched by nongovernmental groups with the support of the Obama administration and governors of both parties. I thought the change would elevate instruction and end the distressing difference between what defined student proficiency in Massachusetts (pretty high) compared with Mississippi (quite low.)
But I have been talking to Brookings Institution scholar Tom Loveless, a national expert on this topic, and read his latest research paper: “Predicting the Effect of Common Core Standards on Student Achievement.” He reviewed the research. He assessed the chances of the Common Core standards making a difference. It turns out this is another big disappointment we should have figured out long ago.
As Loveless notes, there are three main arguments for having all public schools teach the same subjects at the same level of rigor and complexity. First, students will learn more if their learning targets are set higher. Second, students will learn more if the passing grade for state tests are set higher. Third, students will learn more if lesson plans and textbooks are all made more complex and rigorous through required high standards.
Loveless analyzed all available research and found that none of those arguments holds enough validity to risk all that money and effort.
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Those would be wasted "billions".
Here was one of our :exchanges" following this column:
lisamc31
2/23/2012 8:58 AM EST
We actually agree. The Marxist Common Core Standards are nothing more than an umbrella without a handle (curriculum) to support it.
The only reason so many States signed onto this garbage is because of the allure of "free" Federal money. It's disgusting.
For grades K-8, Core Knowledge, an actual curriculum, is the way to go.
UnrecommendRecommended by 2 readers and youReport
jaymathews
2/23/2012 4:45 PM EST
Oh dear Lisa. I am going to have to rethink the whole column.
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If you feel adopting the Common Core is wasting billions, and I agree, why are attacking the district when it wants nothing to do with CC and anything involved in "Race to the Top" Their point is the three elements of RTTT: the Common Core, Teacher evaluation, and student remediation are all linked and will will cost the district millions of dollars.
On the one hand you agree it will wast BILLIONS OF DOLLARS but scream when the district documents RTTT will cost LVCSD millions and requests a waiver
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"Requests a waiver" ?
I don't see any formal request for a waiver. I see a bunch of left-wing Change.Org whining: http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/parents/advocate_for_mandate_relief
LVCSD doesn't NEED a waiver, it doesn't NEED to waste millions because unless LVCSD plans to apply for RTTT money, the Common Core STANDARDS have no ENFORCEMENT teeth! LVCSD can simply and easily state its current curriculum "meets or exceeds" the Common Core Standards. Period.
The only reason the Common Core Standards would cost the taxpayer millions is because the teacher's union and Superintendents mistakenly believe they have an excuse to SPEND millions on something they can wrongly claim, they were "forced" to. If they didn't support Commie Core in the first place, this never would have been just another excuse to rape the taxpayer.
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You have absolutely no ides on how the Common Core ties in to testing and teacher evaluation. While the CC is an inferior standard it has very specific elements which will be tested and teachers evaluated on the results.
New text books are purchased to line up with the standards, and the teachers will certainly teach to the test since their evaluations depend on the results and will be made public.
However, you know this since you replied to Mathews that CC is a wast of billions of dollars.
Superior standards do not mean that it covers all things presented in an inferior standard.
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Right. And WHO is going to check and evaluate whether existing standards MEET OR EXCEED COMMON CORE?
NO ONE! Because it's a MARXIST PONZI SCHEME!
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I think I said this before, but maybe not because I just learned it, that the Common Core is mandated, and the tests that will be given to the students, DO NOT ALIGN WITH WITH THE COMMON CORE Curriculum So Maybe you need to shift your focus from IB to the more Global issue of Common Core. Albany has no idea what they ate doing. And as such they are ruining great communities such as ours,
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Mary,
I asked you to back up your statement:
http://bayvilleblog.com/2011/09/10/locust-valley-central-school-district.aspx#comment-16768624
I won't hold my breath. Anyone who thinks "national" is more "global" than "international" should have their laptop taken away.
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The time has never been better to get a NO vote. This depression is hurting everyone. Please email me at savebayville@yahoo.com and I'll email you some literature you can print or send out to your friends. We need to get the dialogue more public.
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Locust_Valley_School_District_Excess_Cartoon_1_.pdf
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The time has come for TWO NO VOTES! Almost 20% tax increase in 4 years. Have you got 20% raise yourself? Has your house value increased by 20%? Supposely better school will increase your house value but has it?
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thanks savebayville,
i'm tired of paying, paying paying
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year. Our school’s Superintendent made $294,000.00 last year, and has
had her pay increased by $43,000.00 since 2008. That’s around a 17% increase. Has your pay gone up 17% since
2008? The Superintendent also gets 24 days’ vacation, and 70 days sick days. Of course the sick days gets turned
into a cash payment if unused.
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $73,776,262.00 and only 2113 students. That equals $34,915.00
for each student in the school system. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically
charge a year, and the district claims they need more. Is this example of greed and waste something we want out
children taught? You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their
pockets at our community and children’s expense.
• The average pay for our teachers is $107,000. a year. Teaching has become a part-time job consisting of only 182
days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. What’s worse is they only teach 3.5 hours a day as per
their contract. A far cry from the same teacher who taught us all day long when we went to school. Go to
http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries.
• Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the
taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout a teacher will make
an additional $2,154,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $55,000 + Health Insurance 30 years @ $16,800.)
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Think of your children first and put their interests first.
If your child is accepted by a good college, do you want to deprive him or her the opportunity to take advantage of that because you do not have the money to pay tuition? Will it break your heart if he or she has to attend Nassau because of financial constraint?
Don't waste your money on the never enough school taxes. They will always find something and tell you that they HAVE to HAVE it.
Save your hard earned money for your children's real future before you regret. LVCSD will do just well if you vote the budget down and save the extra tax dollars for your children's college.
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Click here for the teachers' salary list
mailto:savebayville@yahoo.com
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LVCSD Teacher Salary List:
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Locust_Valley_Teachers_Payroll_2011.pdf
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If you have not signed my petition to rid American public schools of IB yet, please do! If you want to sign as Anonymous, you just have to check the box. But please be sure to provide a legitimate e-mail address if you do. Thanks!
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/removeibfrompubliceducation/
(And yes, I have admin control of the petition so any obnoxious remarks or IB trolls who think adding Mickey Mouse to a petition is cute will be deleted)
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I think I said this before, but maybe not because I just learned it, that the Common Core is mandated, and the tests that will be given to the students, DO NOT ALIGN WITH WITH THE COMMON CORE Curriculum So Maybe you need to shift your focus from IB to the more Global issue of Common Core. Albany has no idea what they ate doing. And as such they are ruining great communities such as ours,
Mary, the only group that is ruining our community is the school district. At $35K per student they have more than enough to educate our children. They need the RTTT money or any additional funds. They should be dowwnsizing and operating more efficiently rather than looking for more money. WAKE UP Mary, the school taxes have emptied my bank accounts and my childrens college fund. Just so the money can go into the teachers pension system. It is wealth re-distribution, plain and simple.
Did you see the salary list? Do you think we need to pay GYM teachers $145K a year? How much did you make when you were working?
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Locust_Valley_Teachers_Payroll_2011.pdf
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What's your hang up? Mary alrady told you, $145K a year is a drop in the bucket and so is everything else in this district.
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Hi Roger.
Can you show me please where you have found " other" then a LVCSD ws that it states it's mandated?
The reason i ask is bc i was at the http://www.nysed.gov/ and could not find that for the life of me!!!!
I would think they would have that posted?
Now it could be there i really could have missed it !!
If you find it can you please post it here, i want to look it it for myself!
Thanks!
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So now LVCSD tax and spend supporters have thrown out not one, but TWO major fearmongering canards (if you don't know what that means, please look it up):
1. If LVCSD doesn't spend millions on new books and new "curriculum" it will be "FINED"
2. LVCSD has filed for a "waiver".
along with an incredibly stunning admission that Common Core Standards are "inferior" not "superior" but that there's "stuff" in the "inferior" standards which "superior" standards may not cover.
Good grief!
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I believe Mary is not being truthful and has a son who is a teacher and thinks he is protecting his income while our childrens future is being robbed. Mary why don't you send in an additional check to the school system if you are in favor of more spending. Put YOUR money where your mouth is and STOP spending OURS.
Mary which teacher on this list is your child?
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Locust_Valley_Teachers_Payroll_2011.pdf
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And please allow me to make something VERY clear as the tax debate rages on ..... we ALL want the BEST for our kids. Just because we can't afford what LVCSD thinks is BEST, doesn't mean that we hate children or that we don't SUPPORT LVCSD. 2/3 of our total property taxes SUPPORT LVCSD and we SUPPORT fiscally responsible, quality education.
We will NOT allow LVCSD to label those of us opposing a 2.68% tax increase - negative, ignorant, selfish, stingy, right-wing extremist, union-bashing child haters. It's not going to fly in 2012, LVCSD.
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Well said, Lisa!
Just to put things in perspective, Nassau Community College has a spending budget of $202 million (2.8 times LVCSD) servicing 23,633 students (11 times LVCSD).
http://www.ncc.edu/aboutncc/newsreleases/2011newsreleases/05_may_2011/NCC_Budget_2011.shtml
http://collegecatalog.ncc.edu/current/index.pdf
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That comes to around $8,547. per student. Gee, just about what St. Doms charges. Mary where are you??
I'll answer for Mary, but LVCSD has to pay for buses, BOCES and lots of BULLSH*T !!!!
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We know who is behind all these hikes.
http://www.joesmeatmarket.com/BoarsHeadLOGO.jpg
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more taxes:
Important Bayville Village Board Meeting this coming Monday , April 9th 7:30
2% and Budget are NOT a done thing ... while they announced after the meeting was officially closed last time they were staying within the 2% , the statement was after meeting and not part of public record from what I'm told ...that means they're trying to do an end around us during the week many will be on vacation ..How convenient....I personally don't trust several on the board as they have outright lied to our faces in the past ..if it's not on their record it was never said ..don't be fooled , they want to override the 2% and continue on with the unchecked spending of the past and no cap of any kind .....we're the ones losing and we need to fight to keep within the 2%...
Please tell everyone you can as we need bodies there ...pass this on to everyone you know in Bayville.
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more taxes:
Important Bayville Village Board Meeting this coming Monday , April 9th 7:30
2% and Budget are NOT a done thing ... while they announced after the meeting was officially closed last time they were staying within the 2% , the statement was after meeting and not part of public record from what I'm told ...that means they're trying to do an end around us during the week many will be on vacation ..How convenient....I personally don't trust several on the board as they have outright lied to our faces in the past ..if it's not on their record it was never said ..don't be fooled , they want to override the 2% and continue on with the unchecked spending of the past and no cap of any kind .....we're the ones losing and we need to fight to keep within the 2%...
Please tell everyone you can as we need bodies there ...pass this on to everyone you know in Bayville.
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Hey! I saw a new flier for a private Driver's Ed firm in IGA! Parents of students of driving age should sign up SINCE THE BUDGET IS GOING DOWN AND THERE WON'T BE ANY LVCSD DRIVER'S ED!
Boy, do I love capitalism!
And good work on getting those fliers on the metal light poles, folks! Keep it up!
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Lisa,
It is always against capitalism for the Government (LVCSD is a form of Government because of its taxing authority) to offer services competing with private enterprises. Oh well, what can you expect from those super liberal, union bought, tax and spend people like King J?
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Yup, Ageed @ Lisa!!
I love all my kids and care for the REST that go to the LVCSD!
But it ALL needs to STOP!
It's out of control!
We all do not live in BIG houses!! With LOTS of money!
And quite honestly i dont want to!
I just want to be happy! Money does not buy that!
@ Anonymous---thanks for that comparison!!! WOW!!!!
Eyes keep opening everyday!
Odd when i posted the link to nys circulum on my FB page and asked if anyone could show me where it said was mandated, i did not get any replies??? But i at least opened some eyes?
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While LVCSD is crying poverty, I wonder how many of you are aware of the $1.4+ Million LVCSD received in ARRA money last year. I wonder what it was spent on......
http://truthaboutib.com/images/831_LVCSD_ARRA.jpg
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Download Google Earth or just use Google Map Satellite view so you can see birds eye view photos of what's going on at LVCSD from the sky.
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Anonymous,
Just did what you suggested. LV looks nicer than the Creek right next door.
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In response
Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:04 AM Anonymous wrote:
Download Google Earth or just use Google Map Satellite view so you can see birds eye view photos of what's going on at LVCSD from the sky.
I took a look but not sure what is going on. What did you see?
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country club
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When did Jack Dolce became the LVCSD "Chief Fiscal Officer"? (See the end of the debt document at the following link). Does he have NYS K-12 Administrator Certification? Is it legal for him to commit us to 6 million dollars debt even though this may be a refi? Starting next year, we will have to pay back almost a million dollars a year just for this bond issue. The district passed a bond more than ten years ago for 28 million dollars. After so many years, how come we still have a debt of 23 million dollars according to the document below? Where did the money go?
http://www.bondbuyer.com/pdfs/1116NY_Locust1110.pdf
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1. The BOE President is the Chief Fiscal Officer of the District according to NYS Local Finance Law and is fully responsible for fiscal management (different from financial management) when delegated by the Board.
2. Have no idea where the money went or how it was spent.
2.
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1. The BOE President is automatically the Chief Fiscal Officer of the District according to NYS Local Finance Law and is fully responsible for fiscal management (different from financial management) when delegated by the Board. It is unusual, however, to indicate such as part of signature.
2. Have no idea where the money went or how it was spent.
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Happy Easter to all.
I wish this wouldhappen in NY
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/08/battles-continue-over-whether-public-dollars-should-pay-for-school-vouchers/
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Happy Easter to all too!
With all fairness, LV is not a "bad" school. Having said that, it is the wastefulness that has to be stopped. Everything to BOE is a drop in the bucket. Syosset, for example, has 6,700 student (3x+ LV) and a bond debt of $67M (2x LV). We owe $24 million in bond debt, up 33% since 2008, which comes out to be $12,000 per student in debt that sooner or later we have to pay back. That is 50% worse than Syosset and fiscally irresponsible.
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So what happened to the "new and improved" blog? I get a "Maintenance Mode" screen.
I put up a poll on the budget if anyone is interested in participating along with a comment board.
http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/iblocustvalleyny.html
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Save our children in Bayville and Locust Vally (don't care about those rich people in Brookville)! Don't let this happen to your children or mine!
http://www.newsday.com/business/shackled-with-school-debt-3-li-students-stories-1.3520156
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Sunday, April 08, 2012 4:41 PM Joe wrote:
Save our children in Bayville and Locust Vally (don't care about those rich people in Brookville)! Don't let this happen to your children or mine!
I would like to increase the postings of the attached flier. http://truthaboutib.com/images/Locust_Valley_School_District_Excess_Cartoon_1_.pdf
Anyone interested in obtaining a copy can email us at savebayville@yahoo.com and we'll send you a copy to email to friends or post.
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STOP THE HYPOCRISY!
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/documents/mandateflyer4-12.pdf
LVCSD has voluntarily turned over control of the HS to Switzerland and UNESCO for 10 years and spent over $2M on IB (non-mandate) to date.
How DARE LVCSD whine about "loss of local control"
VOTE NO!
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From 2008 to 2012
Enrollment 2,297 (2008)
Enrollment 2,113 (2012)
Enrollment 2,060 (2013, projected)
Budget $63,810,750 (2007-2008)
Budget $73,776,262 (2011-2012)
Bond Debt Approx $18 million (2007-2008)
Bond Debt Approx $24 million (2011-2012)
Do you realize we have about a 10% drop in enrollment but our budget went up by TEN MILLION DOLLARS in this short time with Jack Dolce as the BOE President and Chief Fiscal Officer?
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59% of the the AP exams paid for with YOUR taxdollars FAILED to earn a '3'
http://truthaboutib.com/images/762_LVHS_AP_2011.jpg
That's what happens when a dysfunctional BoE and Superintendent care more about where LVCSD will rank on Jay Mathews' Best High School List than actually educating your children.
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Lisa,
You are right, nobody cares about the ranking other than Mr. BOE. As a matter of fact, do you remember Little Rock Arkansas, the high school that made history? It ranks #93, way above us. Maybe we should look up the them to copy what they do (and at a much lower per student cost).
http://www.lrcentralhigh.org/
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It gets even worse. Have you ever seen our rankings against other schools on teh stanadrdized tests?
http://longisland.newsday.com/schools/district.php?id=280503
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John,
Did you mean for us to look at an old link? That was from 2009 and the Superintendent on that link was Dr. Singe.
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Who owns this store? Who works there?
http://www.prepsportswear.com/school/us/New-York/Locust-Valley/Locust-Valley-High-School-Falcons.aspx?schoolid=165962
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The link may be from 2009, but I guarantee the data hasn't changed much. Does anyone know of an updated link that shows our schools actual performance?
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Here is a more recent link
http://longisland.newsday.com/templates/simpleDB/?pid=449¤tRecord=51
LV is definitely one of the better schools in Nassau although not the best (neither do we have to be the best). That is not the issue. The issue is that our cost is out of control. We rank #2 in Nassau, only behind Jericho, because BOE is spending our tax dollars like water. That has to stop.
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JUST SAY NO!
NO TO HIGHER TAXES!
VOTE NO!
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VOTE NO AND NO! $73 million for about 2100 students is more than reasonable!
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THE SCHOOL TAX IS THE ONLY TAX YOU HAVE A SAY ON!
NO TO HIGHER TAXES! THE TEACHERS ARE KILLING US!
VOTE NO AND NO!
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Let me be clear. If teachers like Mr. Tesseo and Mr. Cannone (neither of whom I know personally), who combined earn almost $300,000 a year, are willing to stand before the Board in support of spending outrageous amounts of money on UNNECESSARY REFORMS, one has to wonder what sort of intimidation is being handed down from the Board and Superintendent.
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I am sure it is very to intimidate a teacher. You can probably just threaten them with a transfer or simply tell them overtime will be cut to pay for the alleged new textbooks required.
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Certainly, a lot of extras are in the control of BOE, like coaching. A chemistry teacher "angered" Mr. BOE before so his football coaching extra was taken away. Everyone knows that.
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"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." ~Thomas Jefferson
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When is the budget vote? The school calendar says the 15th.
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Alex,
You are correct, the vote is May 15th. I had the wrong date on my poll (which btw, is showing a 9-1 NO response)
And what is up with the LVCSD website? At least I see they posted the March Board Actions. Of course, it will remain a mystery what the March 7th "special meeting" was about. Anyone have a clue?
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Agenda/BOE_Agenda_3-20-12.pdf
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I think members of the community should first look at administrator salaries before they abhor the money made by teachers, who directly work with students. Many have written that teachers make too much money. I would like to know if you think making 100k and living on Long Island makes you wealthy? Additionally, it is the school districts fault and problem when a teacher receives tenure who is undeserving. If an administrator is doing his or her job effectively then "bad" teachers would not be prevalent. I also believe the teachers are sometimes erroneously called a "bad" teacher. Occasionally a student may have a bad experience with a teacher. Simply put the student does not clearly understand his or her teaching style. This doesn't make a teacher a "bad" teacher. It is the parent who should step in and then encourage his or her child to seek out extra help, be responsible and mature and go to speak to the teacher. Sometimes one on one help clears it all up. High school students in particular should be expected to do as much. Our students should be learning how to handle situations as young adults and parents should give the teacher a call to make certain everyone is on the same page. Just a few thoughts as a new member of the community and a current high school teacher on Long Island.
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New to town,
You made some plausible points but I will explain why your statements do not hold water.
1. Teachers total compensation, note I use the words total compensation, is the most important major component of the district expenses while some of the administrators are making very good sum of money but the total is eclipsed by the total teachers compensation.
2. Teachers teach nine months of the years and has a shorter day while the administrators work twelve months of the year. Please note I am in no way defending the administrators pay but you have to put things in perspective.
3. Some tenured teachers were tenured some thirty years ago. The current administration is stuck with them and there is nothing that can be done about it.
4. The community is not just complaining about the teachers compensation for this year. It is the persistent increase, which comes to about 4% a year and year after year when everything is added together even in this economy.
5. Whether the teachers deserve their pay or not, and their yearly increase or not, and the life time health insurance or not, and their retirement plan with defined benefit (guaranteed return) or not, the community simply cannot afford it at this time. Below is the recent data of area foreclosure, over 30 families in our community.
http://longisland.newsday.com/templates/simpleDB/?pid=392
Number of Foreclosures (% 2011 vs 2008)
11545 Glen Head/Brookville 15
11560 Locust Valley 16
11709 Bayville 15 (+15.38%)
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New to town,
Welcome to Bayville and congratulations on landing a job as a high school teacher.
You asked if making $100K on LI makes you wealthy? Let me ask you something. If a recent college grad can only land a private sector job for $40,000 (IF they can find a job) and is burdened with college loans, does that make them poverty level? Should the public be taxed more to supplement their income so they can survive on LI?
Do you have children, New to Town? Are you planning on multiple maternity leaves once you receive tenure? Do you have family in the area to care for young children or must you rely on day care or a private sitter?
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Lisa,
Someone should offer teachers, the second oldest profession, some extra help in math.
1) About 10% of our budget goes to pay for teachers health insurance, which is almost $20K per family a year. Yes, they do contribute a small %, far less than the public sector.
2) LVCSD pays over $1 million a year (if not a lot more) for retiree life time health benefits. Who else gets that?
I don't know where New to Town works but LVCSD ranks #2 on Long Island in terms of Per Pupil Cost. How come? My immediate reaction is that our teachers as a whole much be paid more than other districts. Why? In a community with over 30 foreclosures in 2011?
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Sadly the importance of teaching has been overshadowed by their excessive pay. Teachers should be paid, but NOT what they make now. Just a few notes
• The average pay for our teachers is $107,000. a year. Teaching has become a part-time job consisting of only 182 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. What’s worse is they only teach 3.5 hours a day as per their contract. A far cry from the same teacher who taught us all day long when we went to school. Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries.
• Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout a teacher will make an additional $2,154,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $55,000 + Health Insurance 30 years @ $16,800.)
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $73,776,262.00 and only 2113 students. That equals $34,915.00 for each student in the school system. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year, and the district claims they need more. Is this example of greed and waste something we want out children taught? You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children’s expense.
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year. Our schools Superintendent made $294,000.00 last year, and has had her paycheck increased by $43,000.00 since 2008. That’s around a 17% increase. Has your pay gone up 17% since 2008? The Superintendent also gets 24 days’ vacation, and 70 days sick days. Of course the sick days gets turned into a cash payment if unused.
Teachers can only blame themselves for the high cost of living on LI. Their portion of our tax bill is now about 60%
It was never that way years ago and that tax gets passed along into everything we buy here on LI.
Teaching was a modest proffesion that attracted people happy to make a fair salary for a part-time job and a lifetime pension. Sadly the unions have turned it into a money grab.
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Dear SaveBayville, I like that cartoon on the attached link. I think it really sums it all up. Did the Locust Valley Art department draw up that? Just kidding.
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Locust_Valley_School_District_Excess_Cartoon_1_.pdf
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I have been voting NO on the budget for at least the past 10 years. Before the housing crash, I was called "negative" and a "troublemaker" for trying to urge parents and taxpayers to exercise their right to control THE ONLY tax which they actually have some say over.
The only way to get LVCSD to become responsive to parental concerns is to cut off additional funding. If I were Superintendent, I would call for a 20% pay cut across the board, I don't care WHAT Step a teacher or administrator is currently employed at. That would reduce a $150,000 teacher to $130,000 ..... awwww, cry me a river. And if the teacher's union doesn't go for it? Fire them all. In this economy, I'm sure there are plenty of new, young teachers who would be THRILLED to land a job starting at $50,000.
VOTE NO TWICE!
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Well said Lisa, I hope the winds of change are coming and people will vote no this year.
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A 20% across the board cut will save me $150 a month in school tax. Go for it! It is a drop in the bucket for them but a week's worth of gas for me!
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Things to go:
UN club
IB
Gay/lesbian club
bully club
anything that has to do with "global"
anything to do with IB
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Hey! My daughter co-founded the Gay-Straight Alliance AND the Culinary Club! Would you rather have a Gay PTA?
http://gardencity.patch.com/articles/nation-s-first-gay-pta-will-hold-charter-meeting-in-garden-city-south
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Hey, I thought everyone was the same and equal!
Why do we no have to have separate clubs and PTA's?
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NO MORE FREE TRIPS TO DENMARK THROUGH THE IB PROGRAMME
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What free trip to Denmark?
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"free trip" to Denmark is part of the so called
student exchange program!!!
The cost is probably minimal, a couple of hundred, and the rest is paid for through the IB/UN club/program
AKA tax dollars
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Discussion Thread
Stakeholder By Email 04/13/2012 08:42 AM
Dear Ms. Pompa,
As Chair of IB of the Americas and VP of the National Council of LaRaza, I feel it is important that you are aware of a controversial You Tube video regarding LaRaza's position on the Treyvon Martin case.
As a current events topic which is being discussed in many classrooms, would you please provide me with an official comment regarding the following video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX3qo92xcyI&feature=share
Thank you.
Regards,
Lisa E. McLoughlin
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Case: Average income in Bayville is $85K, average school tax is $9,000. Teachers expect to get auto increase through steps, lanes, raises, insurance, and retirement system. The district claims it is "required by law" and they deserve all the increases by different names and are entitled to it. The residents claim the average school tax is over 10% of the community average annual income.
You, the Juror, please deliberate who is right.
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I thought we're supposed to tithe 10% of our income to the church, not the teachers.
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I just wanted to say a few things with regard to some responses i have received. First and foremost I'm not looking for any type of fight and nasty name calling argument. I think an open dialogue about all public services should be welcomed. My family and I hope that our children will have a positive experience here in Bayville. Despite what many of you have said LVCSD has quite a good name for itself as a school district. This success comes from great families and good teaching. I think efforts to diminish this success is not in the best interests of all involved. Some of the so-called non pay increases are mostly items that school personnel work extra hours for and have a choice of whether or not they would like to do it so no those are not pay increases. As for administrators salaries and working 12 months someone alluded to a teacher having students all day long when they were in school. So I ask did you also have this glut of administration at the top as well when you were in school? If eduction was so much better back then why did your school board appoint a whole new level of administration with all these coordinators and assistant superintendents? Add up those salaries and compensation and provide for the public what exactly do they do on a daily basis for the betterment of the school district? Yeah I know I haven't been able to figure it out either
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No "thanks for the welcome"? First and foremost you're "not looking for any type of fight and nasty name calling"?
I made one post directed to you, New to Town. It consisted of a welcome, a congratulations and a number of questions.
Common courtesy dictates that when someone says hello and welcome, YOU respond with "Thank you". For you to presume that posters on this blog and your new neighbors are incapable of having an open dialogue without calling you names, I personally, find offensive and rude.
You, as a teacher, obviously have a bone to pick with administrators. No one here has denied that there can be some more fat cutting at the top. But that is one small portion of the overall path to bankruptcy.
I, for one, recommended the elimination of a 2nd Asst. Principal at the HS. No need.
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New to Town,
Since you are new to town, I only have one advise for you - listen before you open your big mouth. On what basis do I dare to say that?
"If eduction was so much better back then why did your school board appoint a whole new level of administration with all these coordinators and assistant superintendents?"
Do you know how many Assistant Superintendents LVCSD used to have ten years ago and how many we have now?
Ten years ago, we had THREE Assistant Superintendent and today we only have ONE Assistant Superintendent. And the reason we even have that ONE Assistant Superintendent for Business is because it is REQUIRED BY LAW FOR SEGREGATION OF DUTIES. The last thing you want is for the Superintendent to also assume the role of Assistant Superintendent for Business. Again, this is REQUIRED BY LAW!
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There were more administrators years ago. For the record I do not have son teaching in the district. My children aren't out of high school yet.
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I just wanted to say a few things with regard to some responses i have received. First and foremost I'm not looking for any type of fight and nasty name calling argument. I think an open dialogue about all public services should be welcomed. My family and I hope that our children will have a positive experience here in Bayville. Despite what many of you have said LVCSD has quite a good name for itself as a school district. This success comes from great families and good teaching. I think efforts to diminish this success is not in the best interests of all involved. Some of the so-called non pay increases are mostly items that school personnel work extra hours for and have a choice of whether or not they would like to do it so no those are not pay increases. As for administrators salaries and working 12 months someone alluded to a teacher having students all day long when they were in school. So I ask did you also have this glut of administration at the top as well when you were in school? If eduction was so much better back then why did your school board appoint a whole new level of administration with all these coordinators and assistant superintendents? Add up those salaries and compensation and provide for the public what exactly do they do on a daily basis for the betterment of the school district? Yeah I know I haven't been able to figure it out either
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New to Town,
Since you are new to town, I only have one advise for you - listen before you open your big mouth. On what basis do I dare to say that?
"If eduction was so much better back then why did your school board appoint a whole new level of administration with all these coordinators and assistant superintendents?"
Do you know how many assistant superintendents LVCSD used to have ten years ago and how many we have now?
Ten years ago, we had THREE assistant superintendents and today we only have ONE Assistant Superintendent. And the reason we even have that ONE Assistant Superintendent for Business is because it is REQUIRED BY LAW FOR SEGREGATION OF DUTIES. The last thing you want is for the Superintendent to also assume the role of Assistant Superintendent for Business. Again, this is REQUIRED BY LAW!
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Welcome to Bayville and no one means to attack you. Sadly just what your profession has become. Locust Valley is NOT actually a very good school district. It is probably average and when you consider that they waste $35K a year per student I would say they are under performing. Why you ask? Simple, Locust Vallet touts 2 metrics; number of kids going to college and number of kids graduating with regents diploma. The first metric is not a measure of education, but rather motivation or finances. Sadly you can go to college for anything and have no real educaation nowadays. The second one is also not what it appears. Sounds great that up to 99% of our students graduate with a regents diploma. Of course if you look where our students grades fall in the island wide ranking you will see they are NOT tops. Couple this with the fact that the Regents is graded on a scale and made so easy that anyone can get a passing grade and the truth comes out.
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New to town - Get off the blog and investigate the school district for yourself. This is a small sampling of a few extremists. There is a lot of good in the school district. Once you even vocalize support you are immediately identified by these extremists as a BOE member, a teacher, a brain-washed PTA member, etc. God forbid you have your own opinion.
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"extremists"
ROTFLMAO!
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Hey Anon,
Speak for yourself as an extremist, OK? New to Town told us that he/she is a teacher, did he/she not? We didn't say that. He/She said it him/herself.
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Anybody disagrees with Mr. BOE, who bought up all the copies of The Leader, is automatically called an extremist.
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Anon tell our new neighbor, well I should not really include you as a neigbor because you only work in the district and not live here, but ask her to google "John Benstock". Our esteemed music teacher who nows sits at home and collects $117K a year for NOT working.
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History of Administrative Positions
This is an approximate synopsis of the structure of LVCSD top administrators from the mid-90's to present. I don't have time to look up exact dates right now, so this is my personal recall and if I am off on anything, please correct me.
Back in the 90's, we had a Supt, a Director of Pupil Services (SE), a Director of Business/Finance, A Principal and one AP in each site, (inc. a Jr. High Principal and AP), HS Department Chairs
When Eric Berger proved to be a not so competent HS Principal, but nice guy, LVCSD created the Asst. Superintendent position. That position was used as a "filter" for the Superintendent and was pretty useless in terms of overall curriculum and instruction. Tremendous turnover, also used as a "stepping stone" placeholder for those who ultimately want to become Superintendents.
That position was eliminated, I believe last yeas. I also believe somewhere along the line, we eliminated a K-12 Language Arts Director and that now Dept. Chairs are K-12.
The IB Coordinator position is completely superfluous and was established in 2003. We did NOT have an AP Coordinator prior to IB.
The 2nd AP at the HS is a recent addition. My youngest graduated in 2007.
What the district NEEDS are individuals in EACH BUILDING in charge of curriculum. These 5 individuals then need to MEET on a regular basis in order to make sure all of the NYS graduation requirements are being met and that the curriculum being delivered is CONSISTENT between LV and Bayville.
This has been a problem since the 90's and no one has bothered to correct it.
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CORRECTION - 6 site curriculum supervisors - I need more coffee.
2 Bayville
2 LV
1 MS
1HS
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so now you want more administration? I thought you wanted less?
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Yeah about LVCSD!
I was talking to my dd who was telling me in one of her elective classes , since you have 9-12 grades in it , the few older Guys one btw is open about being stoned in class ( infront of teacher)
Her reply i dont want to know about it!!!!
Wow!
But my point when 1 or 2 of the kids ask questions, they are literally made FUN of by these 12 th graders!
Made to feel stupid! So now the kids like my daughter who REALLY wants to learn in that class will not ask questions bc she sees what happens when u do!
And the teacher she tells them to be quiet!
Yeah that what WE pay all that money per student for! To be mocked!
But to be honest is it really the teacher or the school itself?
Because some kids get those special privilages bc they are on the " team"
I could go up an open my mouth. I have done it often in meetings one on one!!
Nothing happens!
Oh Lisa the GSA is nice but when my girls wanted to start a club talk about jumping through hoops?
The story behind that makes me sick!
So that GOOD name lv has for itself DIG DIG deeper
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Haveyouwalkedthroughthehalls,
I can imagine what your daughters went through to try and establish a club. You mean I never told you the story about when my daughter tried to establish the Culinary Club? Richard Shear was the HS Principal in Dec or Jan when the apps were due. My daughter signed up 35 students, wrote out the whole proposal and got Ms. First to agree to be the adviser. She presented all of the material to Shear and figured it was good to go.
I happened to be at the summer BoE meeting where they were approving clubs. They went through a bunch of new clubs that were approved, and never mentioned the Culinary Club. The meeting was in the administration building and I was sitting directly across the room from Shear. I said, "Excuse me, Dr. Shear, but what happened to my daughter's Culinary Club?"
He looked me straight in the eye and said, "I lost it."
I feigned being hard of hearing and said, "What was that? Could you repeat that please?"
"I lost it", said Shear.
Well, Sean Feeney, the newly hired Principal's mouth dropped open and he championed the club for my daughter and from what I hear, it is a very popular club.
Fortunately, Shear had a temper tantrum and stormed off when he didn't get the Superintendent position.
But that example of how spiteful, vindictive and downright nasty some of the people are/were in LVCSD should serve as a warning to those with younger children. I don't care how much an administrator hates a parent, they have NO RIGHT to take it out on a student.
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Does a part of the teachers salary go towards their health ins?
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Let's say the teacher's salary is $115K, which is the predominent kindergarten teacher's salary. Family health insurance is about $1,750 this year. Teacher contributs 18% or $315 and the district (taxpayers) contributes $$1,435. However, when it comes to next year assuming the rate of increas is the same as the last two years, the new health premium will be approximately $1,950, teacher contributes $351, an increase of $36 and our share comes to $1,599 and the increase on our back is $164 per teacher per month.
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
I’m worried because my child will be in hs next year, and I don’t her being picked on just because she wants to learn.
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Lisa,
What is this you just wrote about the Culinary Club and taking things out on students? I haven’t heard any of this.
This is all very upsetting.
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Anon,
Richard Shear hated me because I opposed IB, so he proved what a non-professional he was by taking it out on my kid.
I'm a big girl. I could handle anything Richard dished out. But taking it out on a student by deliberately trying to deny her an opportunity, crossed the line.
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Thank you to those of you who have decided to help me understand the school district and the community and not attack me. I genuinely appreciate all of the information that has come up. I certainly think that it is necessary for a community to pay close attention to finances and where the money goes. As a "new" member of this community I care about the direction of the school district as my wife and I intend on sending our kids to public school.
On another note, I have attended two conferences in the last 5 years with respect to IB. I honestly can't seem to grasp the importance of this program and was part of an exploratory committee at my school district who decided not to implement the program. Ironically, it was due to the extreme cost measures that the program encounters.
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You're welcome. We want your children to have a wonderful experience in LVCSD schools. My children had a great experience with Bayville elementary schools. The problems began when they hit the MS.
It's also great to see an educator who sat on an exploratory committee which rejected IB. From where I sit, I don't care if IB is rejected because of cost or ideology, we need to get it out of LVHS.
I have worked successfully with parents and BoE Trustees from around the country to halt the implementation of IB. NO ONE on the LVCSD BoE in the past 8 years, has given me the courtesy of sitting down with me and calmly and rationally discussing the pros and cons of IB. Not one. In fact, I can tell you that they haven't even bothered to read their 5 year "self-review" that wasn't completed until year 7. None of the IB exam results are made public by the district, none of the IB finances are made public by the district and LVCSD goes out of its way to make me wait a full 20 business days before it will respond to a FOIL request.
I am the administrator of the Truth About IB website. Information specific to LVHS can be found here:
http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/iblocustvalleyny.html
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Anon,
Oh it gets worse, especially if your not one to GO along with the crowd!
My kids talk with me all the time about school!
I too have MS kids and the stuff they tell me, my jaw drops to the ground!
Lisa!
Ohhhhh i have sat with Mcquire, it was amusing bc when i brought up the REAL hard time they were getting, he knew nothing about the club!
Which i am sure they wished it would just fizzle out!
My reply to him was your the principle and u have no idea what is going on in ur school?
Well yea we got the same story, if the budget doesnt pass, they will be getting rid of clubs! That was last yr !
They were told they could have an unoffical club while in wait!
But i think that "annoyed" some so it was stopped!
This yr in sept/ oct sometime at coffee with the principle. I do not think ge QUITE remembered who i was, until someone brought up the clubs! LOL !! So i bagain my story, but he said what is ur name again? I tell him and reminded him if "we" could have the unoffical club!
The whole PTA was huffing and puffing bc apparently i am not an a$$ kisser and by that point they were all getting annoyed, with all my school issues!
And i have good kids!
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I agree that discipline is lacking, especially at the HS levels. Ask your kids and they will tell you that kids curse out the teachers and admins all the time with no consequences. Kids cut and cut and cut class with no punishment. The kids have said that their friends are failing classes but still are allowed to play sports. That's just wrong. Maybe we need to form a discipline committee with clear consequences for the kids.
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Welcome "New to Town". Bayville has had better days but it is still a great place to live and raise children. I have known the town since the 60's and it has changed alot. You will find many opinions on this blog but I think you will find the ones backed up facts prove to be the most valid. Sadly our school is not all it presents itself to be but hopefully as a concerned parent you can make up for any shortcomings of the district. Although I have a long history with Bayville I have had no history with the school district until I started to follow this blog and do my own research. Although I have not met her yet I have to say Lisa's postings are the most fact based and my research has shown the most valid. Welcome again and good luck.
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I started to get to know Bayville since the 70's. Bayville has indeed changed a lot and so has the school district over the years. Bayville used to have a lot more shops near the beach but most are now gone. You can debate everything about the schools, from IB to it's good or bad, or indifferent. One thing is true and it is backed up from NYS stat: LVCSD ranks #2 in per pupil cost. It is not debatable, there are better and smaller district like East Williston, and there are IB and non IB schools. The per pupil cost of $35K at LV is just too high and not acceptable. It is still not too late for BOE to propose a 0% budget and tax increase before we vote it down and down. Don't threaten us what are going to be cut and children are going to be hurt. The ball is in YOUR COURT. Give us a 0% budget and tax increase for a change.
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Anon,
It's unfortunate that we'd need to have a committee on something they are getting paid to do! Make sure ALL kids follow the rules NO matter who u are, where u live, or what sport u play!
It's a JOKE!
Now ask you MS daughter about the boy who curses the teaches out, and the admins too! I think the only one he listens to is hogan, for some reason!
But they let it go on that the classmates tell him to stop and be nice!
Yes the too are now drinking in 8th grade ask ur child who is drinking nowwadays??? If shes anything like mine she'll spill it!
What i tell my kids tho is you ALL grew up together, why wldnt u ask them what the heck their doing?
Ahhh i dont get it! Some need to dig their heads way up outta the sand!
@@ New To Town,
I have had the pleasure of meeting lisa!!!
I too agree she backs up all her info!
She really does care! REGARDLESS of what others might say!
Unless you look openly at the evidence you can only come to see she speaks truthfully!
Not out of self gain!
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How nice to see supportive comments. Thanks, guys!
I see there is going to be a Budget/BoE meeting at Bayville Intermediate on Tuesday at 7 PM. Shall we go? Or just vote NO?
I am also compelled to comment on an LVCSD "news" item, the Film Festival:
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/News/#5029
While I am pleased that this event is ongoing, it is not without some sour grapes as the original intent has apparently been abandoned. Back in 2005, I was one of the Directors of CCSAP (Concerned Citizens for Substance Abuse Prevention). The original idea for the film festival came from CCSAP. We thought that if kids were to make their own PSAs (Public Service Announcements), they would have a greater impact on their peers than the typical "this is your brain on drugs" PSAs we've seen for many years. The HSPC Pres. of the day and Shear cut me out of the planning process because of my opposition to IB and stole the idea. Now, I don't care that CCSAP isn't remembered for originating this event, I don't care that they have expanded the categories for entries, but I DO care that it appears that the PSA category is no longer even part of the event! I also care that LVCSD is so self-centered that it can't bring itself to give recognition to the students from other districts who participated!
As Haveyouwalkedthroughthehalls mentioned, drinking and drugs are a problem that begins in MS. It is unfortunate that many in the LVCSD community (and Parent Council execs in particular) believe that if you don't talk about it, it will just go away. Perhaps some of you with kids in the MS and HS will approach the Film Festival committee and request that the PSA category be reinstated. It won't cost the taxpayers a dime and it may well help turn some young lives around.
Last night I sent out an e-mail blast to my readers to see if we can fund a 2nd TAIB Scholarship for seniors from an IB HS. So far, the responses are great, so I will post the details by the end of the week. It will be for $500, payable to the student's account at the university they will attend in September. Last year's winner was a Polish student who attended Maastricht University in the Netherlands. If you would like to pledge a donation and are not a subscriber to TAIB updates, please e-mail me at info@truthaboutib.com so I can include you!
P.S. - Last year I sent formal, hard-copy announcements of the scholarship to LVHS, but did not receive a single entry from LV.
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I will ask why PSA aren't done anymore. I think it would be a great re-addition to the festival. As for Parent Council Executives, they do not think that if we don't talk about drugs, it will just go away. Parent Council has been involved, along with the wellness committee, in making sure that programs are brought in to address this issue- as well as bullying. What's a TAIB Scholarship? I'm not good with all of this abbreviated language.
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http://www.trevorloudon.com/2012/04/radicals-inside-the-american-federation-of-teachers
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No reply from the AFT? I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
Almost as shocked that I have yet to receive a reply from IBO on the LaRaza video.
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Maybe our New to Towner can "provide for the public what exactly do they do on a daily basis for the betterment of the school district"? Or what did John Benstock do on a daily basis?
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Don't always agree....but have always supported you
interesting video.....also interesting how the principal of the LVHS home schooled his children.....do you think he trusted the public school system....NO...but yet he pushes the IB programme
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Please watch this video in support of Autism Awareness:
http://abcnews.go.com/WhatWouldYouDo/video/pawn-shop-scammer-customer-tries-to-cheat-store-wwyd-16136981?tab=9482930§ion=11268487&playlist=16137547
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Excellent realistic rendition, thanks Lisa for the link.
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You're welcome. It brought tears to my eyes and restored a little faith i'd lost in the basic goodness of people.
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I found that quite interesting myself about the principle!
Altho maybe he does not live in such a remarkable school district!
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ATTENTION PARENTS OF LVHS SENIORS!
My generous readers have already pledged enough to cover this year's $500 TAIB Scholarship, so it's a go!
I encourage you to encourage your LVHS senior to participate in this essay writing contest. I wish we could offer $5,000, but $500 is better than nothing.
This contest is open to HS seniors in any IB HS, so we are hoping for a good bit of competition.
Details can be found here:
http://truthaboutib.com/2012scholarship.html
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I got up to get my kids ready for school after the long break. Just visited the district site to see if there is anything new. Guess what! It is the third time in five years, LV completely redid the school site. How much did it cost this time? They have TOO MUCH MONEY TO BURN!
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/
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Not only that, it's a lousy layout! Where are the March Board Actions? Where is a HS course guide? Why is a district Art Show scheduled for next week, cancelled? Why are AP exams not listed, only IB?
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They spent money to change the look but not the substance. Visit almost any school district site on Long Island, you see detailed budget proposal line by line? Where is ours? Only the Mandate Madness is there at the top of the list of buttons. The school profile was from 2010 still featuring the Most Private Public School. It should be called the Most SECRETIVE Public School.
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When the budget is adopted it will be posted. That's how it works.
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It's easy to spend meony when its not yours. Please print out this flyer that Lisa has posted for SaveBaville and give it out everywhere you can.
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Locust_Valley_School_District_Excess_Cartoon_1_.pdf
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What was the student enrollment back in 2008?
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2008 - 2,297 based on NYS Dept Ed report
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Ryan,
Why do you ask? The per pupil cost in 2008 is about $27K. Based on the 2.7% number BOE is floating around for next year and based on the 2,060 enrollment, the per pupil cost next year is about $37K. It is about a $10K per pupil increase since 2008.
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Let's not forget the wasted money at our school district.
The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year. Our schools Superintendent made $294,000.00 last year, and has had her paycheck increased by 17% ($43,000.00) since 2008. Has your pay gone up 17% since 2008? The Superintendent also gets 24 days’ vacation, and 70 sick days. Of course the sick days gets turned into a cash if unused.
The Locust Valley school budget has increased 16% in the last 4 years to $73,776,262.00. Student enrollment has dropped 8% during the same period to only 2113 students. That equals $34,915.00 in taxes collected per student. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby St. Dominic’s private school charges a year, and the district claims they need more. Is this example of greed and waste something we want out children taught? You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children’s expense.
The average pay for our teachers is $107,000. a year. Teaching has become a part-time job consisting of only 182 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. What’s worse is they only teach 3.4 hours a day as per their contract. A far cry from the same teacher who taught us all day long when we went to school. Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries.
Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout a teacher will make an additional $2,154,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $55,000 + Health Insurance 30 years @ $16,800.)
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How do you get that the superintendent has had her paycheck increased by 17% or 43k since 2008, when she hasn't gotten a raise since she started? where is that documented? I'm not trying to start trouble, just need the facts. Just like we want from Mary about common core.
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Why don't you ask her tonight. You can look it up here http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/
Her paycheck has gone up as I stated. Note I did NOT say raise. It is probably the money from the 70 unused sick days she gets. The BOE was clever not to give her a straight up raise and instead include a ridiculous amount of sick days in her contract. This is called a hidden bonus in the real world.
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Paul,
I am not arguing with you but let's keep our focus. Even if we pay the Superintendent nothing, $0, that is not going to solve our problem. The Superintendent pay comes to 0.4% of the budget, not exactly "a drop in the bucket" as Mr. BOE calls it but it is tiny when compared to 70% of our budget goes to pay for teachers pay (I use the word PAY also) and benefits.
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Agreed Joe, I think the next teachers contract should require 6 periods of teaching and not 5 as currently allowed.
5 periods only equals 3.3 hours of teaching and that is not best for our kids or our wallets.
Like the cartoon show, STOP THE WASTE!!
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Locust_Valley_Teachers_Payroll_2011.pdf
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There is more to the teachers contract scam. I took the time to compare our teachers contract with other districts. In short, ours has more a la Carte items, things they are paid extra to do or things they don't do and we have to pay extra for someone else to do. Our high paid teachers get paid extra to run programs like Summer Rec, our teachers get paid the higher than others rate to write curriculum, which seem to have to be redone every couple of years. It goes on and on. I would like to see a Prix Fixe menu instead of a la Carte.
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Can you tell us which districts you compared with so that we may go and see the information first hand?
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Anon, stop being a typical lazy liberal and look it yourself. You can find the contracts here, www.seethroughny.net
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VQz4t2xcqwM#!
GET AMERICA OUT OF THE UN
STOP ALLOWING YOUR CHILDREN TO ATTEND UN RUN CLASSES ANS CLUBS
SAY NO TO IB
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I went to the budget meeting tonite. The BOE decided to play it safe and stay below the cap with a 2.61% budget increase. That way they only need just 1 vote over half to win their increase. They had to take $500,000.- from the reserve fund and are now left with 2.1 million. They stated the budget will be posted on the new website.
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But they're still going to bang the taxpayers $100,000 for the IB/AP exam and student registration fees?
Tell them to stick it. VOTE NO! 50% + 1 = 0% increase!
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Does BOE think we are stupid? LVCSD just flashed the big propaganda at their new site telling us how they came in under the tax cap. They also just posted the new proposed 2012-2013 budget with an increase of 3.79%!!!!!
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Budget_Information/Proposed_2012-2103_Budget.pdf
Vote NO on May 19 and vote NO on June 19.
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Vote NO on May 15 and vote NO on June 19!
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LVCSD Proposed 2012-2013 Budget as posted at school district website.
$76,571,521
Projected enrollment 2,060
Per Student Cost if the budget passes:
$37,170
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DISGUSTING!
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Does the NYS tax apply to the overall budget or the taxpayers share?
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It only applies to the next tax bill. Whatever is in the budget but over and above the tax cap is either "put on taxpayers' account" or withdrawn from the excess reserve refund due taxpayers.
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At the current rate of budget increase from $73 million in 2011-2012 to $76 million in 2012-2013, and given the "pay" increases in the new teachers contract, it is clear that you will see the $80 million budget (for 2,000 students) in the 2013-2014 budget if you allow this budget to pass.
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Jack also stated that 2 No votes would mean a O% increase, but I found the following quote:
"Under a contingency budget, the school tax will be frozen—with no exceptions or allowances. The tax cap law is clear:
"Notwithstanding any other provision of law to the contrary, if the qualified voters fail to approve the proposed school district budget upon resubmission or upon a determination not to resubmit for a second vote … the sole trustee, trustees or board of education shall levy a tax no greater than the tax that was levied for the prior school year."
Here is the main link http://www.empirecenter.org/Special-Reports/2011/11/proptaxcapguide113011.cfm
So which is it?
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Our school budget has already gone up by $10 million a year compared to 2008. It is about time we freeze it at 0% regardless. If this budget passes, our school tax will increase by $13 million a year. How much is enough?
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Our budget has not gone up by $10 million per year. Maybe $10 million since 2008, but not $10 million per year. How much is enough when our future is on the line? When do people wake up and smell the coffee that our children are our future? If they are not prepared what will our country come to? Do you want Socialism here? What the heck is your problem? Don't you get it? I ask you , based on what you pay now in tax for general and school, what does the 2.51% equal in dollars to you? Can you not look at your daily life and possibly cut you Dunkin Donuts coffee everyday to make up the difference? I am so flipping sick of people walking around saying things are tough, but I see them eating out, getting coffee @ Dunkin, going to the movies. Yes we all budget for different things, but can you give up one of your luxuries for the sake of our future? I have.
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Our budget has not gone up by $10 million per year. Maybe $10 million since 2008, but not $10 million per year. How much is enough when our future is on the line? When do people wake up and smell the coffee that our children are our future? If they are not prepared what will our country come to? Do you want Socialism here? What the heck is your problem? Don't you get it? I ask you , based on what you pay now in tax for general and school, what does the 2.51% equal in dollars to you? Can you not look at your daily life and possibly cut you Dunkin Donuts coffee everyday to make up the difference? I am so flipping sick of people walking around saying things are tough, but I see them eating out, getting coffee @ Dunkin, going to the movies. Yes we all budget for different things, but can you give up one of your luxuries for the sake of our future? I have.
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Angel, try $17 million increase since 2006. Anyone who would use someones child to extort money from them is truly the lowest form of life, or a teacher.
Socialism!! What do you think us emptying our bank accounts to pay for your pensions is? It is wealth re-distribution. The school district already gets $35K per student. How much is enough for you teachers?
Yes, why don't the teachers make some sacrifices and take a pay cut like the rest of the world. Or stop taking raises, oh I mean "step increaes". This school district over spends and under educates. Have you seen our Regent score rankings against other schools? No I didn't think you had the backbone to actually look at the truth about our district.
Did you see that cartoon being posted around Locust Valley. I think it is pretty clear, what don't you understand?
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Locust_Valley_School_District_Excess_Cartoon_1_.pdf
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What a devilish propaganda? Just FYI, I don't go to DD for coffee because last year they told me to cut it out so I can pay for the school tax increase for this current year. Maybe I should steal toilet paper from the school to save money since the kids threw them on trees anyway.
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Our children are the future. It's people like you who are willing to tax and spend with reckless abandon who are destroying their chances to raise a family of their own here on Long Island.
Enough is Enough! By my calculations, my school taxes will increase by $227 with a 2.61% increase. STOP! STOP! STOP!
I make my own coffee, Zippy. I buy the no-brand large cans from Stop & Shop. In the past year, my husband and I went to the movies ONCE (The Artist - well worth seeing!) Maybe we should give up buying new underwear so LVCSD can continue to fly teachers to Europe for IB training? Or I know, how about we stop feeding our pets so teachers can be paid $150,000 for Phys Ed instead of $145,000?
VOTE NO TWICE! 0% increase for LVCSD!
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Lisa,
You are too generous. LVCSD has disclosed at public board meetings that they reserve coffer has $12 million stashed away. This is excessive advance taxation. Someone should report it to the comptroller. I want my refund! I want my money back.
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@Angel AKA Obama!!!!
Public school districts are run on a socialized level. Everyone pays the tax and those that have children go to school.....for less than paying privately
if you rent...then your children are going for FREE!!!!
The LVCSD budget has more than doubled over the last 15 years. When I first moved here it was around 30 million now it is over 70 million
Yes, our children are our future that is why it is time to take back our schools and put an end to the over spending.
We are awake and this community will be voting NO
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STOP THE SCHOOL TAX MADNESS BEFORE IT STOPS YOU!!
The Locust Valley school budget has increased over 30% in the last 6 years to $73,776,262.00. The newly adopted budget calls for another increase to $76,571,521.00. Enrollment has dropped during this same period and is expected to drop to 2060 students next year. That equals $37,170.00 in taxes collected per student if the new budget passes. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 annual tuition St. Dominic’s private school charges.
Our Superintendent’s pay has increased 17% ($43,000.00) since she started in 2008. In addition to her $294,000.00 paycheck last year, her contract guarantees, paid life insurance, 24 vacation and 70 sick days each year.
Average teachers’ pay is now $107,000.00 a year, and they get a raise (step increase) every year. They work 183 days a year and teach only 3.3 hours daily.
Home values have dropped another 5% this year. It is a fact that as School taxes go up, the marketable value of your home goes down.
How do you plan to afford college for your children or retire one day? What will our school taxes be another 6, 12, or 20 years from now if we don’t stop the madness of our tax and spend school district?
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Cuts school taxes. Our school district should reflect our community values and since we have turned Bayville into the slum of the North Shore of LI by not raising village taxes for years, we should do the same to the school district.
Too bad if our neighbors in Locust Valley have pride in their community and maintain their commercial areas with attractive, clean well maintain retail sites and want a quality school district.
To heck with them. We like living in a cesspool and want a school district that reflects this core standard.
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Oh look another teacher trying to steal our money. Why don't you and your ilk crawl back under the rock you came from? Bayville just had a 20%+ increase last year, but you wouldn't know that because you don't live here. You just live off our taxes after posing as teachers.
You try opening and running a business and trying to afford the taxes. The excessive school taxes are one of the reasons a small business can't make it anymore. Bayville was a better place when taxes where under control. You teachers are only making it worse for yourself when you open your ignorant mouths. No wonder our kids perform so poorly on the Regents exams. The facade is wearing thin, people are learning about your con.
STOP THE SCHOOL TAX MADNESS BEFORE IT STOPS YOU!!
The Locust Valley school budget has increased over 30% ($17 million) in the last 6 years to $73,776,262.00. The newly adopted budget calls for another increase to $76,571,521.00. Enrollment has dropped during this same period and is expected to drop to even further to 2060 students next year. That will equal $37,170.00 per student if the new budget passes. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 annual tuition St. Dominic’s private school charges.
Our Superintendent’s pay has increased 17% ($43,000.00) since she started in 2008. In addition to her $294,000.00 paycheck last year, her contract guarantees, paid life insurance, 24 vacation and 32 sick days each year.
Average teachers’ pay is now $107,000.00 a year, and they get a raise (step increase) every year. They work 183 days a year and teach only 3.3 hours daily.
Home values have dropped another 5% this year. It is a fact that as School taxes go up, the marketable value of your home goes down.
How do you plan to afford college for your children or retire one day if we don’t stop the madness of our tax and spend school district and Board of Education? What will our school taxes be another 6, 12, or 18 years from now?
PLEASE VOTE “NO” THIS MAY 15th AND STOP THE MADNESS !!!
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Oh, I live here all right, though I doubt you do. I know well the past history of no tax Mayor VS, and where it left us.
Bayville is a sewer and we have ourselves to blame. You shoot off your mouth, call others name like a 13 year old and then like the craven layabout lounger you are you slither away.
Never to be seen only to criticize. Pray tell, are you running for the BOE? Let's hear the excuses? Of course not, that would require work and effort and rejection (just ask Lisa) Instead our little, lily livered, spineless wimp romps in the shape of darkness full of empty lies and half truths and unable and unwilling to express them by the light of day.
If you really wanted to have an effect on the budget you would organize in public, something you are incapable of doing. So instead you embrace the identity of of a milksop. namby-pamby mouse.
if you were a man you would attend Board meetings and generate a vocal dissent. But instead you call names and hide. A coward through and through.
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You know who I am. Why don't you share your real name with the posters here whom you seem to feel you have the right to call all sorts of names for being as anonymous as you are? Hmmm? Am I the only one in this entire Village with the courage to put my name behind what I say? Seriously? That's pretty damn pathetic. What are you so afraid of, Batshitcrazygirl?
And for the record, Bayville has cesspools, not sewers. If we had sewers, our General taxes would be higher as in Oyster Bay and the City of Glen Cove.
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The other thing batvillegirl doesn't seem to realize, is I was too late to stop IB, but 10 years ahead of my time. If I knew 10 years ago, what I know now, I would have been able to effectively cut IB off at the pass, as I have been able to in other communities. But it was a secretive done deal by the time I found out.
All of the lack of transparency, the ignoring of the site based teams, the obfuscation of the budget, the non-posting of actual minutes .... ALL of these things began with the introduction of IB to LVCSD.
There is no such thing as coincidence. It's a political mindset and one that needs to change right now!
NO NEW TAXES! VOTE NO!
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You are truly as ignorant as your postings. Vicky did not need to raise the tax rate because Suozzi was raising the market values of our homes and in turn Vicky got her tax revenues increased. I wish our taxes have not been increased like you say. Your not a Bayville resident, so stop the lie.
The rest of your writings are simply inane. What "darkness and lies" are you talking about? What lies I have told?
You ramble like a crazy woman or a teacher. Just an fyi, Bayville is spelled with a "y" NOT A "T". Now get back to work, we are not paying you teachers to log onto the blog on our dime.
Did you see this cartoon? What don't you agree with?
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Locust_Valley_School_District_Excess_Cartoon_1_.pdf
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Vicky did not need to raise taxes. Really? Look at our village. It looks more like Beirut (that's in Lebanon) than a North Shore village. Look at the surrounding villages, all well maintained laced with community pride. Bayville alone sticks out as a cesspool. And not only are you a craven low life, you are a fool as well. You can't figure out why I spelled it with a "t"? My God, no wonder you do not play in public.
Why don't you act like a man and take a stance in public? I suspect, your scant ability and meager talent are obvious to even you.
So poor little Paul/ Alex/John/Ryan etc hides like a rat afraid to spar with people who act and make change. You are beyond pathetic.
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Hello Batty Girl or should I say Betsy, not sure why you are attacking me. Did I say something to offend you?
Can you explain what this means?
"afraid to spar with people who act and make change. You are beyond pathetic.
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Can you tell me what "acts and change" you have made? Besides being a bitter and angry neighbor.
I give SaveBayville alot of credit. At least they are getting the word out. I didn't how bad our school is until I read the flyer they left on my car at church.
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Out of class early I see, I guess your TA was doing all the work as usual.
Are you the angry teacher who was carrying on at the Bayville Town Hall meeting last time? You were so funny to watch, I loved your acting. If you tell me where you live I will send someone over to set you free so you can move from Bayville. You sound very unhappy here. I imagine you are paying too little in taxes, oh wait you are a teacher...you don't pay any taxes. You just give back some of your ill-gotten gains.
Did you see the article in Newsday today? The rest of LI is very un-happy with you teachers as well.
Once again, taxes went through the roof when Vicky was Mayor. Dolts like you just get re-electing her anyway.
I appreciate the credit for the flyers and although I wish I had done it I can't take credit for it. I do agree with what they are saying though.
Can you tell me what you think is untrue or are you simply going to scream like a loon?
The Locust Valley school budget has increased over 30% ($17 million) in the last 6 years to $73,776,262.00. The newly adopted budget calls for another increase to $76,571,521.00. Enrollment has dropped during this same period and is expected to drop to even further to 2060 students next year. That will equal $37,170.00 per student if the new budget passes. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 annual tuition St. Dominic’s private school charges.
Our Superintendent’s pay has increased 17% ($43,000.00) since she started in 2008. In addition to her $294,000.00 paycheck last year, her contract guarantees, paid life insurance, 24 vacation and 32 sick days each year.
Average teachers’ pay is now $107,000.00 a year, and they get a raise (step increase) every year. They work 183 days a year and teach only 3.3 hours daily.
Home values have dropped another 5% this year. It is a fact that as School taxes go up, the marketable value of your home goes down.
How do you plan to afford college for your children or retire one day if we don’t stop the madness of our tax and spend school district and Board of Education? What will our school taxes be another 6, 12, or 18 years from now?
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Just want you guys to know those of us living in Locust Valley agree with our neighbors in Bayville. Our school taxes are out of control. In case you forgot, last year Brookville voted the budget down both times.
Just like what Craze Eddie used to say: Our taxes are insane!
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Thank you SaveLocustValley, I can't imagine anyone (except teachers) who are suffering in this economy. Hopefully Batvillegirl will address her comments to us not attack our supporters. Anyone can email ussavebayville@yahoo.com for fliers or other literature. We nee to put our children before the teachers and their union.
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Do our teachers even have heart when they and their union are trying to sqeeze every penny out of us? Take a look at the link below. 10% of Bayville elementary school kids are eligible for free and reduced lunch. Do you know what that means? Can you sleep at night by trying to suck every drop of blood out of these families?
http://www.k12guides.com/school/Bayville-Elementary-School:361770001590.html
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That is quite disturbing and the fact the average income is $75K and our teachers earn as much as $145K a year.
Don't worry about the teachers though, they are enjoying a nice steak dinner at Rothmans.
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Have it rare with dripping blood!
The teachers union did have a big party celebrating their victory at Soundview in Glen Cove.
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Was that for last years vote? Too bad they couldn't have it in their own district and support a business that pays school taxes.
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What makes you think they care about local business? Besides, I heard that they purposely had it away from town concerned about possible protesters.
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Here we go, I live 3 blocks away from CI Beach and can can hear every word from the sports announcer for Locust valleys game. OUTSIDE FOR A GRILL and am forced to listen to blasting Nirvana at 700 at night. then the play by play TURN IT DOWN. only the bleachers need to hear it
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I thought I was the only one who thought it was loud. I took my evening walk past their tonite and couldn't hear my own music through my ear phones. I think a call to the schools superintendent is in order. Does anyone know her phone number. I am sure she is not bothered by it, you can't here it at her weekend home in Quogue.
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I phoned Nassau Police, they said calls should be directed to Town of Oyster Bay. Problem has always been that most games are after hours. Am also not happy about lighting on hours before teams are there. $$$.. Will call TOB Monday.
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Diane,
Until last year, every BOE's home phone number was in the school calendar. Not any more in this year's calendar. If you have last year's calendar or before, you can find the old BOE numbers. I am sure BOE can track down the Superintendent for you.
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I will call the super as well.
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The number are published on the inside cover of the calendar. Not sure how you missed them
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So is anyone running against Suzie and Erika?
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Lisa,
You missed your chance. They both are in for another three years. God bless.
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I think the best way to stop the BOE is to get rid of Jack. In the wild you kill a snake by cutting its head off. Not a physical threat to Jack of course, just a metaphor. Get rid of him and the sheep will follow the new leader.
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You mean the serpent?
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Joe,
My house is on the market. I never sign up for something I can't fully commit to. It wouldn't be fair to anyone who voted for me and it wouldn't be fair to my own conscience.
Frankly, I hope this Shore Rd. re-do doesn't go through. That could screw up real estate in Bayville for the next three years! That means you people better get together quick to buy my house and get rid of me or you'll be stuck with me and i WILL run against Jack next year .... hehehehe .........
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Today is not April 1 so I guess we should take you seriously for a change. The only problem is that Jack posted here before that whoever is going to run against him next year will have to debate him. Are you ready?
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Well, as I said, I hope to be well south of NY in the near future. But if the house doesn't sell, am I ready to debate Jack?
In a NY minute.
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It would be foolish for Jack to debate. What he is going to debate on? Record tax increases, introduction of IB or poor performance on the Regents exams? He is better off keeping people in the dark and his mouth shut.
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Jack Dolce' accomplishment since 2008:
The longest serving BOE President
The highest $76M proposed budget
The largest $23M 5-year increase*
* $76M - $53M = $23M
The highest $72M school tax levy
The highest teacher PAY av $107K**
** LVCSD claims there is no raise
The highest per student cost $37K***
*** Ranks #2 in Nassau after Jericho
The highest increase in reserves****
**** Was $2M before 2008, $12M now
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How come enrollment is down? Aren't we supposed to have record number of return transfers from private schools?
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Enrollment is down because young families can't afford to buy homes in Bayville/LV and because many HS parents are choosing to avoid IB by sending their kids to private school.
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http://www.trevorloudon.com/2012/04/u-n-to-debut-plan-for-world-socialism-in-june-time-for-us-to-exit
any words in this text sound a little familiar?
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And Obozo is 100% on board with the UN plan.
Ask yourselves why FOX and Rush Limbaugh have made zero mention of this ..... think Illuminati .....
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Hi Lisa, I think Beck had discussed this. Why hasn't FOX?
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Alex,
Beck isn't part of the Illuminati (Murdoch/Ailes)
I would like the Bayville Blog readers to please take an hour out of their day, to watch this NH TV show called "Tell it Like it Is" opposing IB. I am so proud to personally know Ann Marie Banfield and Rep. Greg Hill. I haven't met the parent speaking out on this show yet, but he makes great points.
"Having local control doesn't mean you have the power to give away local control." ~ NH Rep. (R) Gregory Hill
http://trms.bedfordtv.com/CablecastVOD/4671-1-1-TellItLikeItIs-TheIBDebate-TheCaseAgainst.wmv
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LIKE
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http://www.mvsd-ib.org/media/Niel_Young_IB.mp3
No, not that Neal Young ..... this is a radio broadcast from NH
If you vote yes for the LVCSD budget, you are supporting violating Federal law which prohibits funding UNESCO.
VOTE NO!
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LIKE
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And here is a just published article from another one of my NH friends:
http://bedford-nh.patch.com/blog_posts/how-the-politics-of-the-united-nations-is-delivered-through-ib-part-one#_=_
Are we seeing any similarities here folks? How many of you remember the $28M bond issue disaster? Who among doesn't think Jack Dolce has another bond issue in mind? (which could be voted on any time during the year) Would a bond issue circumvent the 2% NYS tax cap? I think it would. Food for thought.
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Fair and balanced - here is the pro-IB side: http://trms.bedfordtv.com/CablecastVOD/4670-1-1-TellItLikeItIs-TheIBDebate-TheCaseFor.wmv
And I thought they were going to get rid of this horrible Captcha verification ...
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Lisa,
You continue to promote your ideology while lose sight of the big picture. Our priority at this point is to vote down the budget twice, pulling the fangs out of the venomous serpent or the serpent's mouth.
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Anonymous (and I know who you are)
The "culture of corruption" that is LVCSD began with the introduction of IB in 2002. Prior to that, there were two Board meetings a month, one was a work session, the other the business meeting. Prior to the implementation of IB, student achievements were recognized, celebrated and displayed proudly. That all stopped once IB was ushered in. The lies, obfuscation, bullying, intimidation and refusal to provide basic information to the public - all began with the Straub, Russo, Dolce, Chu, Walsh cast of characters. I have NEVER lost sight of the BIG PICTURE which is handing over LOCAL CONTROL to the UN!!!!! However, our BoE members seem incapable of understanding the BIG PICTURE.
Absolutely, vote NO Twice! But understand this, if Hunderfund and her boy toy Jack would put up a 2nd budget without IB, I bet it would pass. Here's their opportunity to cut at least $300,000 from the budget for a NON-MANDATORY program. But they won't touch their "sacred global cow".
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CZ-4gnNz0vc#!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UhugUzUuPkE#!
my o my
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2012-2013 budget to budget increase:
LVCSD: 3.79% Increase
North Shore: 1.85% Increase
Oyster Bay: 1.03% Increase
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DISGUSTING!
VOTE NO TWICE!
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Lisa,
I know you always asks for backup information. Here they are:
North Shore Budget (prominent link on home page, does not have to fish around the BS self congratualing PR stuff.
http://www.northshore.k12.ny.us/12april/Homepage1Boebudget.html
Oyster Bay East Norwich (top link in 2012-2013 Budget information, divide the two budget and you will get %)
http://obenschools.org/board/Presentations/BOE%20Budget%20Presentation%204-17-2012.pdf
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Correction
Oyster Bay: 2.68% increase, still 1.11% lower than LVCSD
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I am not sure what is more disturbing. A school board that lies to the public or a public dumb enough to believe their lies.
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"public" meaning PTA mommies
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You mean the dumb and dumber mommies dummies?
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The presentation and content of the budget is entirely controlled by the Superintendent and apparently, the BoE President. I have never seen a BoE that unanimously opposes the Superintendent's recommendations. The Board is badgered into "consensus" in Executive session. If there is no majority "consensus" ahead of time, the motion won't come to the floor for a vote.
Blame needs to be placed where it belongs - at the feet of the CEO - Hunderfund.
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Lisa,
This budget presentation was done by Jack Dolce and Adriana Silver and unanimously approved by BOE. Hunderfund was absent.
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Didn't want to face her public, eh? I wasn't referring to the budget presentation, I was referring to "how" the budget is crafted. Adriana merely reports/calculates what numbers can be applied where, at the directive of Hunderfund.
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Lisa,
You have not been to budget meetings, haven't you. Since Jack Dolce' buddy digged out an obscure education law stating that BOE President is the De facto Chief Fiscal Officer, he pushed Hunderfund to the side and did the entire budget this year. If you have attended any of the budget meetings this year, you would see Jack Dolce was the one that did all the talking.
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It says the OB-EN budget to budget increase is 2.68%
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Yes, you are correct. Please see my correction. It is still 1.11% lower than LVCSD.
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I noticed the tax levies were 2.5 % vs 2.6 % which is what determines our taxes. The papers reported layoffs and program cuts at OB and no layoffs or program cute at LV.
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Every school district reports the proposed BUDGET TO BUDGET as required by law. Only LVCSD advertises the smoke screen manipulated tax levy trying to fool people. Here is Manhasset reports their budget to budget 1.73%. Are they finished too?
http://www.manhasset.k12.ny.us/news.cfm?story=1191&school=0
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Yes, and the tax levy was 2.55% and the local papers said there were layoffs and program cuts. Budget Guru just makes up his numbers.
WHAT 1% BUDGET INCREASE??????
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How much are there costs per student?
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This is the 2009-2010 information about North Shore, 2.177 students about the same size as ours. Their per student cost for that year is:
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/FIS-2011-280503060000.pdf
$24,621,916
To compare apples with apples, for the same year Locst Valley per student cost for 2,202 is:
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/FIS-2011-280503060000.pdf
37,127,912
We are 51% higher per student than North Shore. Are we that much better?
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Oh, Please stop the nonsense!
When you go to the NYS report card site and go to the North Shore site the first things you find out is the number of students is NOT about the same as LV, their population is actually about 38% higher Their student population is 2,963 students not the 2,177 you reported. LV student population is 2,203. Shame on you!
Next the 201011 cost per general population student is $ 16,265 compared with LV's 16,861. You know, comparing apples to apples. there isn't even a number for NS AT $24,621.
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https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/FIS-2011-280506060000.pdf
Oyster Bay Per Student Cost $24,867,532
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/FIS-2011-280503060000.pdf
Locut Valley Per Student Cost $37,127,912
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Wow,
Just went on the NS site to check out Budget Guru. He didn't tell us the real story.
North Shore gutted their district. THIRTY LAYOFFS and major budget cuts. How come LV was able to stay under the cap without layoffs and NS HAD TO Gut THEIR PROGRAM TO DO SO. This school system is finished.
http://www.northshore.k12.ny.us/budget2012/NS_Budget_Summary_2_12_rev2_23_12.pdf
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Not sure if their school system is finished. Almost every school district on Long Island lays off teachers. Is Long Island school system finished? Or is our community taxed out and finished?
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Wow! So LVCSD can keep running those IB courses with 4 kids in them and didn't have to cut the 2nd Asst. Principal at the HS? That's just great. CUT SPENDING! HOW ABOUT REDUCING OUR TAXES INSTEAD OF INCREASING THEM EVERY YEAR???? If enrollment is down 10%, then teaching staff should be cut by 10%, no?
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/News/#5282
A paper on "The Safety of Journalists" for UNESCO, huh? Really. What did UNESCO do for my HS friend Marie Colvin? I'll tell you what .......NOTHING!
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How interesting. LVCSD went $256,000 over budget on legal fees last year and the Benstock case hasn't even gone to trial. One would think they would have "budgeted" for more than $250,000 for 12-13.
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Budget_Information/Budget_SummaryFinal.pdf
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Here is East Williston, note they also report Budget to Budget as every one else following the law, with the only exceptuon of LVCSD of oourse as they think they have local control and is above the law. East Williston is a higher performing district and slightly smaller than Locust Valley. They don't pay student tests to achieve Jay Matthews ranking. Their buget to budget is 2.49% I have yet found another district other than LVCSD with budget to budget over 3%. I guess we may make #1 when Newsday publishes the numbers.
http://www.ewsdonline.org/education/components/whatsnew/default.php?sectiondetailid=9928&viewType=detail&id=470
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What a blog. As the myth of each district is exposed we move to the next district.
This evening we started with OB with a 1% budget increase only to find out that was a lie and the budget increase was 2.7% accompanied by a 2.55 tax levy and layoffs and program cuts.
Then we find out NS excesses 30 employees to try and stay under the tax cap LEVY? Note this is all about the levy since that is what raises our taxes and is what the state cap is tied to. Well, cutting 10% of your teachers indicates big financial trouble.
Next we are told NS 's student population is about the same as LV's only to find out it is almos 40% higher.
My goodness, two brazen lies just this evening.
But it goes on. Next LV's violated the law by not reporting budget to budget increase . Violated what law by not reporting it where? Doesn't matter since I just went on their web site and guess what, they report it. Of course the,y come in under the tax levy cap required by the state for a 50% majority. Oh, unlike OB and NS which needed severe cuts to meet the cut LV'S did so without cuts.
Of course since LV mastered the tax cap we are now trying to redirect away from the need to meet the tax cap. Well, a quick check shows Garden City a great school district above 4%.M (budget, not the budget is the issue)
LV is one great school district when you need to keepquick changing the targets to make a point. Not to mention making up numbers. OB 1% budget increase. Sorry, the truth is 2.7%. NS 2,1000 students. Sorry over 2,900 students. No district over 3%. Garden City is over 4%.
Lie after lie and movings targets. Give it up.
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This blog has no credibility. It just makes numbers up and compares apples to oranges.
Just a few examples:
1 Oyster Bay budget 1% actual 2.7%
2 North Shore enrollment 2,1000 actual 2,900
3 No budget over 3%. Garden City and Great Neck substantially over, and most districts aren't posted.
4 LV didn't report b2b increase and it is posted right on the web site, big as can be.
The fact is LV came in UNDER the tax cap as required by the state without cutting programs. Many other districts like NS and Jericho needed to make severe cuts to make the cap.
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Anon,
You sound like Jack Dolce. Are you?
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Ha ha! What if I. am.
Whenever anyone is smart or knowledgeable enough ot interested enough to catch the lies he/she must be Jack or a BOard member.
I have lots more examples so try and change the subject but the lies remain.
By the way. since the law requires all districts to report b2 b. and you posted everyone did, where is OB's.? Truth is one needs to do the math to figure out their increase. Not like LV that posted it.
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"smart or knowledgeable? Is that what you think you are suspected to be Jack Dolce? If so, take a look at yourself in the mirror.
Here is what Jack Dolce is so "smart or knowledgeable". He spent our money using the PR firm to put big banner on the home page to advertise "2.61% increase within tax cap" not to mention early in the year he publically called for overriding the tax cap and repeal of the tax cap. That is not why he is so "smart or knowledgeable". What he does not tell the public is exactly what the $2.61 within tax cap means. I will tell you although I am not "smart or knowledgeable". The difference between 2.61% and the legal 2.68% is 0.07%. Are you with me so far? What is 0.07% of a $73 million budget? That is $51,100. The advertising gimmick is to come in about $50K below the cap so he can advertise it. Guess what, we are not stupid. That "savings" is really impressive coming on the tail of the almost 6% tax hike for advance tax collection last year. Whether the tax was collected last year in advance or this year, it is taxpayers money, not yours.
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Anon,
OB-EN's budget to budget increase (2.68%) is right in its report which was linked and where I (me, not Jack Dolce) pointed out the discrepancy.
LVCSD's 3.79% budget to budget increase is reported here: http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Budget_Information/Budget_SummaryFinal.pdf
Hey Jack, what sort of equipment do we need to buy for $70,000?
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Something does NOT add up. How come Locust Valley was able to meet the cap and not make any cuts. Wasn't all the money from last years budget alocated? How is that they can cut money from the budget and it doesn't effect anything?
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There are no lies. Everything below is true.We need to stop supporting the teacher unions or our children will not be able to stay on LI
The Locust Valley school budget has increased over 30% ($17 million) in the last 6 years to $73,776,262.00. The newly adopted budget calls for another increase to $76,571,521.00. Enrollment has dropped during this same period and is expected to drop to even further to 2060 students next year. That will equal $37,170.00 per student if the new budget passes. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 annual tuition St. Dominic’s private school charges.
Our Superintendent’s pay has increased 17% ($43,000.00) since she started in 2008. In addition to her $294,000.00 paycheck last year, her contract guarantees, paid life insurance, 24 vacation and 32 sick days each year.
Average teachers’ pay is now $107,000.00 a year, and they get a raise (step increase) every year. They work 183 days a year and teach only 3.3 hours daily.
Home values have dropped another 5% this year. It is a fact that as School taxes go up, the marketable value of your home goes down.
How do you plan to afford college for your children or retire one day if we don’t stop the madness of our tax and spend school district and Board of Education? What will our school taxes be another 6, 12, or 18 years from now?
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Say whatever you like. I am glad we are not making cuts like NS. The superintendent sounds like he is going to cry
Cuts To-Date as of February 2012
• 5 Clerical Positions
• 2 Custodial/Clearer Positions
• 1.5 Security Positions
• 1.5 Administrative Positions
• 18 Teacher Positions
• Part Time Bus Drivers
• $75,000 for Co-Curricular Art, Clubs & Chaperones
• $78,000 for Interscholastic Athletics
• Additional Funds in Buildings/Grounds/Supplies/
• Overtime/Professional Development
Dr. Melnick reiterated, He said, “It breaks my heart to recommend any of these cuts. This is
the first year, we are faced with significant cuts. In making these recommendations, they
have not been made lightly. We are trying to be equitable to all students and we’re
maintaining a strong program for our students.”
President Genovesi added, “The Board has agreed to stay within the cap this year, but will need
to examine this very carefully in the future if we were to maintain the quality of education that
our community values. As disheartening as this is, we are still ahead of the curve.”
Dr. Melnick added, “Our Legislature has simply passed a rule (e.g., the property tax cap) that’s
dismantling education throughout the state. The property tax cap has not fixed the issue, as it does not
address the issue of how education is funded.”
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"The Board has agreed to stay within the cap this year..."
How honorable! It is the law whether you agree with it or not. At least North Shore is not playing games with 3.79% budget to budget increase.
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This statement coming from a real con man, Dr. Melnick added, “Our Legislature has simply passed a rule (e.g., the property tax cap) that’s
dismantling education throughout the state. The property tax cap has not fixed the issue, as it does not
address the issue of how education is funded.”
I am sure he is working for minimum wage so the kids can maximize our education dollars. Anyone who falls for this bs deserves to be forced out their home by sky high taxes one day. The reality is cost almost nothing to properly educate a child. Our teachers union has taklen us in the wrong direction not the legislature.
How about making teachers teach more than 3.3 hours a day.
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You know what? I don't CARE what other districts are doing because I don't have to pay school taxes there. I CARE that in LVCSD, the only district on LI that does this, the taxpayers are being charged $100,000 for IB/AP exams. I CARE that we have a 2nd unnecessary Assistant Principal at the HS. I CARE that enrollment is DOWN 10% but this district can only hit us up for mo' money.
The arrogance, lack of transparency and country club slush funds in LVCSD - MUST END!
False claims of having to spend 2.1M to comply with Common Core STANDARDS (not CURRICULUM) demonstrate absolute IDIOCY! 88 electives being run with a handful of kids in a class is gross MISMANAGEMENT, violation of Board policy and more IDIOCY!
"Having local control does not give you the power to give away local control" ~NH (R) Rep. Greg Hill
VOTE NO TWICE! 0% increase!
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Lisa,
Whenever anyone makes a tiny mistake, BOE will jump out slamming the post. Have you noticed they never dispute enrollment drop? It must have been at least 10% or more and they are keeping quiet. I take it as their tacit admission of at least a 10% drop in enrollment.
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That's right. But we were told people would be moving to LVCSD in "droves" and our home values would rise "because of IB". Remember that, Anonymous? Remember Dickie Shear's elation regarding the twins who switched from Friends to LVHS because of IB? As if we should prepare for a tremendous increase in students because of this allegedly wonderful programme?
Enrollment down by over 10% - because of IB
Over $2-3,000,000 WASTED, because of IB
And Jack Dolce has been the #1 IB zealot and cheerleader for the district for the past 8 years. He supports this scam of a programme so of course he supports scamming the taxpayers by cooking the books. Do you recall in 2005 how the budget failed the first time around? Back then, LVCSD claimed the budget for IB was $100,000. Then they cut the IB line item to $65,000 for the 2nd vote and it passed. In 2006, LVCSD buried the IB expenses completely. Then in 2007, LVCSD created a Code 64 for IB, which was so stupid because in a normal budget, you can see the money spent on something for the prior year, but since Code 64 didn't exist in 2006, the amount listed for IB expenses was 0. I believe Code 64 has since disappeared, but even if it is still there, the stipends for the CAS, EE and IB Coordinator were in a separate category. It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack and they keep blowing the hay all over the barn.
I am sick and tired of their games and Hunderfund could have recommended years ago to get rid of IB. Instead, she played dumb and said, "I don't know as much about it as I do about AP."
I don't take kindly to liars and thieves.
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Lisa,
Well, Hunderfund was "buried" at the new Locust Valley site herself. Told you Jack Dolce wants to bury her so he can run the school district. Try to find Hunderfund at the new district website (my source told me they spent $35K on that with no RFP sent out). See if Jack Dolce will jump in here to dispute it or tacitly admit it.
Where's Waldo? Where is Hunderfund?
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/
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$35K for THAT? Are you freaking kidding me?
Look at the bright side - you can translate it into Icelandic!
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Really? It's under Faculty--->Administration----> Alphabetical order under "H"
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Wait a minute .... so SUSAN Miller is head of SPED? I know I was told by more than one person that RICH Miller was back ..... hmmmm, how odd.
I think that's a rather odd way of laying out the Admin directory. Normally it's done Top down and by school, not alphabetically.
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Lisa,
Do you believe me now? Where's Waldo? And we need navigation instruction from Anon, whoever he or she is, to find Hunderfund.
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You need to read, that's all.
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Anon,
The sign outside the administration building says "Visitors welcome". A public school district's website is supposed to be USER FRIENDLY and easy to navigate. Save your condescending crap for when you're sitting up on the dais smirking at your next BoE meeting, Jack.
http://freemarketamerica.org/if-i-wanted-america-to-fail/
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I think it is very user friendly. I like the look better than the old one. And I am not "Jack" as you claim. Jeez....if you like one thing the district does you are either identified as a teacher or BOE member....talk about paranoia.
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What country club slush fund? What is it and what can we do about it? It must be illegal. Please explain. Thanks
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One "slush fund" I know of exists under the category of "undistributed instruction'. This particular line item (which is not shown in the current online budget summary) has contained upwards of $800,000 which, despite FOIL requests, LVCSD has never been able to prove to my satisfaction at least, where that money went. According to the BoE, the line item is to be used for "mid-year hires".
I don't know how many of you remember the "map" in the administration building that was on the wall between the hall and the break room, but there was a room on the map designated "Richard Hirt's Slush Fund".
In every jest, lies a kernel of truth.
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This is from last year's first budget adoption, 2.9% budget to budget increase:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_Actions/May_2011.pdf
How come now with the tax cap in place, our budget to budget goes from 2.9% last year to 3.8% this year? What do you cook? Books?
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What are you complaining about? If the budget passes, Jack Dolce can legally squeeze 2.68% out of taxpayers to build his Most Private Public Schools - with no cuts in good time and bad. However, he has mercy on us and only asks for 2.68%, that is 0.07% less than the tax cap. Out of curiosity, I tried to count how much that mercy is worth to me.
0.07% = 0.0007
$9,000 (my school tax) * 0.0007 = $6.30
He spared me $4.90 a year! Thank you Jack, I really appreciated it and now understand the reason for that big banner advertising at school home page.
Then, I went on to see how much money I will be able to save for my kids for college if I vote the budget down.
2.61% = 0.0261
$9,000 (my school tax) * 0.0261 = $234.90
Well, my decision is clear. Sorry, I do have to look out for the interests of my own kids. My oldest son is friends with your son. Your son told him that he does not have any student loan. Lucky him has a wealthy dad but not my kids. I have to try to make ends meet and right now they are not meeting.
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What are you complaining about? If the budget passes, Jack Dolce can legally squeeze 2.68% out of taxpayers to build his Most Private Public Schools - with no cuts in good time and bad. However, he has mercy on us and only asks for 2.61%, that is 0.07% less than the tax cap. Out of curiosity, I tried to count how much that mercy is worth to me.
0.07% = 0.0007
$9,000 (my school tax) * 0.0007 = $6.30
He spared me $4.90 a year! Thank you Jack, I really appreciated it and now understand the reason for that big banner advertising at school home page.
Then, I went on to see how much money I will be able to save for my kids for college if I vote the budget down.
2.61% = 0.0261
$9,000 (my school tax) * 0.0261 = $234.90
Well, my decision is clear. Sorry, I do have to look out for the interests of my own kids. My oldest son is friends with your son. Your son told him that he does not have any student loan. Lucky him has a wealthy dad but not my kids. I have to try to make ends meet and right now they are not meeting.
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What are you complaining about? If the budget passes, Jack Dolce can legally squeeze 2.68% out of taxpayers to build his Most Private Public School - with no cuts in good time and bad. However, he has mercy on us and only asks for 2.61%, that is 0.07% less than the tax cap. Out of curiosity, I tried to count how much that mercy is worth to me.
0.07% = 0.0007
$9,000 (my school tax) * 0.0007 = $6.30
He spared me $6.30 a year! Thank you Jack, I really appreciated it and now understand the reason for that big banner advertising at school home page.
Then, I went on to see how much money I will be able to save for my kids for college if I vote the budget down.
2.61% = 0.0261
$9,000 (my school tax) * 0.0261 = $234.90
Well, my decision is clear. Sorry, I do have to look out for the interests of my own kids. My oldest son is friends with your son. Your son told him that he does not have any student loan. Lucky him has a wealthy dad but not my kids. I have to try to make ends meet and right now they are not meeting.
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You hit the nail right on the head. Do we want to save for your childrens future or keep funding a wastefull school system that does a marginal job educating our children. You can email me at savebayville@yahoo.com if you would like literature to hand out to oter voters.
I think this cartoon sunms it all up.
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Locust_Valley_School_District_Excess_Cartoon_1_.pdf
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How much should THE secretary make? Her base salary before OT is:
2011 $98,131
2010 $95,291
2009 $90,685
8% raise in teo years
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8% raise in TWO years
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lisa,
Read this LVCSD PR release and tell me where's Waldo or Hunderfund?
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/News/Story.aspx?id=3106
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Heh.
Boy, I bet a FOIA request for e-mails between Mr. Dolce and Ms. Kaplan would prove to be an interesting read. Not that I would bother ...... or maybe copies of the LVCSD check registry for the past 12 months ...... now THAT would be very interesting ..... you know some districts put their check registries online ...... how novel ..... this is the 21st Century, right? $35K for that junk "upgrade" to the website and no online checks registry? Tsk, tsk.
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Looks like a great contract for the district, although I would like to read the actual contract.
A labor contract is between the Board and the union. It would be very inappropriate for the Superintendent to issue a press release or be part of the press release. The contract would be signed by the Board president and Union President.
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We might as well just the Union President sign both lines. It is not like Jack even reads the contract and does what is best for the children. Allowing teachers to only teach 3.3 hours daily is disgusting.
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The Superintendent is the educational figurehead/CEO of a school district. I see nothing inappropriate about a Superintendent putting out a press release stating that the Board and the union had reached an agreement.
Btw, I see the march Board Actions are posted.
Dolce is named 7 times while Hunderfund is only mentioned 6 times.
Who are we paying $300,000+ benefits?
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I am not looking for an argument but one would expect to see the name of the Board President more often on "Board Actions" than the Superintendent. I mean they are Board Actions. Seems like much ado about nothing.
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It's a culture of corruption. I would have liked to see the rest of the Board rise up against Jack. My goodness, what sort of secrets does he know about everybody that he has this "power" to silence and control?
If that's the claim, (and that's what I am hearing), then the only option is to VOTE NO TWICE and strip the "king" of his reign .... then defeat him next year.
Believe me, LVCSD will find a way to "struggle by" on $35,000 a student. That number is OBSCENE! 0% increase! VOTE NO TWICE!
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If you know exactly where to go, and be able to read per Anon (whoever that is), it takes a minimum of three clicks from the school home page to see any information about the 3.79% budget to budget increase. The so called below tax cap 0.07% in dollars translates to $51K in the new proposed $76 million budget. If this is not deceptive or misleading, what is?
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LVCSD won Race To The Top (RTTT)
This RTTT is not what you may think it is. Here we are talking about the per student cost. Below is the Harvard tuition: $36,305 a year for 2011-2012.
http://handbook.fas.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k79903&pageid=icb.page418679&pageContentId=icb.pagecontent879393&state=maximize&view=view.do&viewParam_name=Tuition%20and%20Fees
Congratulations LV! If the budget passes this time, you don't have to attend Harvard to be at the top, the per student cost of course.
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Agreed, let's stay focused and remember these points:
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year. Our Superintendent’s made $294,000.00 last year and has had her pay increased 17% ($43,000.00) since she started in 2008. Her contract also guarantees paid life insurance, 24 vacation and an average 32 sick days each year.
• The Locust Valley school budget has increased over 30% ($17 MILLION) in the last 6 years. The newly adopted budget of $76,571,521.00 will increase it even further to 35% ($20 MILLION) if passed. Enrollment has dropped 6% since 2006 and is expected to drop another 2.5% to 2,060 students next year. The new budget will equal $37,170.00 per student. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby St. Dominic’s private school charges a year, and the district claims they need more. Is this example of greed and waste something we want out children taught? You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children’s expense.
• The average pay for our teachers is $107,000. a year. Teaching has become a part-time job consisting of only 182 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. What’s worse is they only teach 3.3 hours a day as per their contract. A far cry from the same teacher who taught us all day long when we went to school. Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries.
• Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout a teacher will make an additional $2,154,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $55,000 + Health Insurance 30 years @ $16,800.)
VOTE NO, STOP THE TAX MADNESS
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Anonymous wrote:
Say whatever you like. I am glad we are not making cuts like NS. The superintendent sounds like he is going to cry
Cuts To-Date as of February 2012
• 5 Clerical Positions
• 2 Custodial/Clearer Positions
• 1.5 Security Positions
• 1.5 Administrative Positions
• 18 Teacher Positions
• Part Time Bus Drivers
• $75,000 for Co-Curricular Art, Clubs & Chaperones
• $78,000 for Interscholastic Athletics
• Additional Funds in Buildings/Grounds/Supplies/
• Overtime/Professional Development
Dr. Melnick reiterated, He said, “It breaks my heart to recommend any of these cuts. This is
the first year, we are faced with significant cuts. In making these recommendations, they
have not been made lightly. We are trying to be equitable to all students and we’re
maintaining a strong program for our students.”
President Genovesi added, “The Board has agreed to stay within the cap this year, but will need
to examine this very carefully in the future if we were to maintain the quality of education that
our community values. As disheartening as this is, we are still ahead of the curve.”
Dr. Melnick added, “Our Legislature has simply passed a rule (e.g., the property tax cap) that’s
dismantling education throughout the state. The property tax cap has not fixed the issue, as it does not
address the issue of how education is funded.”
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Well Jack, I mean Ron, only a bully like yourself would try and emasculate a Superintendent who wisely recommended significant cuts.
In fact, I would think LVCSD could make almost identical cuts!
* The IB Coordinator doesn't need a secretary to go as a chaperone to Denmark!
* The way the school gets toilet papered all the time, I'd say you could get rid of 1.5 Security people
* HS A.Princp. and IB Coordinator = 1.5 Admin positions
* 18 teacher positions - eliminate electives that don't garner minimum class size policy, 10% drop in enrollment shouldn't require as many teachers
* Return responsibility of IB/AP exam fees to the parents - $100,000 savings
*Get rid of IB - another $200,000 (staff development, curriculum writing)
Eliminate summer rec
Eliminate drivers ed
$37,000 PER STUDENT IS OBSCENE!
VOTE NO TWICE! 0% INCREASE! Save our communities!
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I am not sure why anyone would be against cuts at Locust Valley, unless they are one of the human sponges who live off our tax dollars as employees there or they don't live in our district.
Trust the NS schools Super isn't gonna cry. That phoney will get his paycheck no matter how many people are working there. I didn't see any mention of an across the board paycut to help offset costs.
Remember our children are being forced off Long Island and we are forced to sell our homes when we retire because of excessive real estate taxes. If school tax increases continue only teachers and police will be able to live on Long Island. This community was a better place 10 years ago when a family and a business could afford to live here. Maybe you enjoy looking at empty storefronts so teachers can work part-time, and retire after 20 years with multi-million dollar bonuses, but I find it depressing and want more for my children.
VOTE NO TO PROTECT MY CHILDREN AND OTHERS IN THSI COMMUNITY.
What don't you understand about this cartoon?
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Locust_Valley_School_District_Excess_Cartoon_1_.pdf
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Sneaky!
Tell me why is the font size of 3.79% budget to budget increase is several points smaller than the 2.61% tax levy increase, which translates to "only" $51K lower out of a $76 million budget?
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Budget_Information/Budget_SummaryFinal.pdf
Either you think we are all stupid or you are stupid.
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With such interest it deserves more
Ron wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Say whatever you like. I am glad we are not making cuts like NS. The superintendent sounds like he is going to cry
Cuts To-Date as of February 2012
• 5 Clerical Positions
• 2 Custodial/Clearer Positions
• 1.5 Security Positions
• 1.5 Administrative Positions
• 18 Teacher Positions
• Part Time Bus Drivers
• $75,000 for Co-Curricular Art, Clubs & Chaperones
• $78,000 for Interscholastic Athletics
• Additional Funds in Buildings/Grounds/Supplies/
• Overtime/Professional Development
Dr. Melnick reiterated, He said, “It breaks my heart to recommend any of these cuts. This is
the first year, we are faced with significant cuts. In making these recommendations, they
have not been made lightly. We are trying to be equitable to all students and we’re
maintaining a strong program for our students.”
President Genovesi added, “The Board has agreed to stay within the cap this year, but will need
to examine this very carefully in the future if we were to maintain the quality of education that
our community values. As disheartening as this is, we are still ahead of the curve.”
Dr. Melnick added, “Our Legislature has simply passed a rule (e.g., the property tax cap) that’s
dismantling education throughout the state. The property tax cap has not fixed the issue, as it does not
address the issue of how education is funded.”
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Spammers are soooooooo dull.
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Thank you, but i think the information is useful and vital. All need an opportunity to evaluate.
Ron wrote:
With such interest it deserves more
Ron wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Say whatever you like. I am glad we are not making cuts like NS. The superintendent sounds like he is going to cry
Cuts To-Date as of February 2012
• 5 Clerical Positions
• 2 Custodial/Clearer Positions
• 1.5 Security Positions
• 1.5 Administrative Positions
• 18 Teacher Positions
• Part Time Bus Drivers
• $75,000 for Co-Curricular Art, Clubs & Chaperones
• $78,000 for Interscholastic Athletics
• Additional Funds in Buildings/Grounds/Supplies/
• Overtime/Professional Development
Dr. Melnick reiterated, He said, “It breaks my heart to recommend any of these cuts. This is
the first year, we are faced with significant cuts. In making these recommendations, they
have not been made lightly. We are trying to be equitable to all students and we’re
maintaining a strong program for our students.”
President Genovesi added, “The Board has agreed to stay within the cap this year, but will need
to examine this very carefully in the future if we were to maintain the quality of education that
our community values. As disheartening as this is, we are still ahead of the curve.”
Dr. Melnick added, “Our Legislature has simply passed a rule (e.g., the property tax cap) that’s
dismantling education throughout the state. The property tax cap has not fixed the issue, as it does not
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NS College Acceptance as reported:
Brown
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
U Penn
Yale
Six out of the eight Ivy League Schools
64% of graduates received Regents Diploma with Advanced Designation
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Source your information, since you are a craven weasel who obviously has no problem just flat out making up information.
Just like North Shore has 2,100 students. I
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"craven weasel"? Speak for yourself. You are so deceptive that have to resort using smaller fonts for the 3.79% budget increase. The source of information is from North Shore School District newsletter released on Monday. You may pick one up from North Shore School District Central Administration to read it for yourself. At 1.85% budget increase, not only they are not "finished", they are doing better than Locust Valleyand without IB. Why? Because they have better Board of Ed leadership.
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Source your information. You can't because it's untrue. Just like NS student population of 2,100 was untrue and on and on.
Sure laying off 30 people in one year is solid education. Even their superintendent said the district needs to examine their future carefully if they are to maintain the quality of their education. He is concerned. Too late.
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Source: North Shore Schools Newswatch
- April 2012 Issue
NS College Acceptance as reported (Page 8):
Brown
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
U Penn
Yale
Six out of the eight Ivy League Schools
64% of graduates received Regents Diploma with Advanced Designation (Page 2)
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64% received Advanced Regent Diploma, not very good. Why post it?
LV Has 22% more at 78%.
Source NYS report cards
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Anonymous must be an LVHS graduate. 78-64=14, not 22.
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it depends how you use the numbers! 64% OF HOW MANY? Please get real here. Education is the the key to the future. "The Children are our Future" Just like the song. What is wrong with you people?
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it depends how you use the numbers! 64% OF HOW MANY? Please get real here. Education is the the key to the future. "The Children are our Future" Just like the song. What is wrong with you people?
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http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/heres-how-to-ensure-obama-defeat
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http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/democrat-comic-obamas-a-f-ing-a-hole
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And those useless facts mean what? Answer: Absolutely nothing.
let's stay focused and remember these points:
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year. Our Superintendent’s made $294,000.00 last year and has had her pay increased 17% ($43,000.00) since she started in 2008. Her contract also guarantees paid life insurance, 24 vacation and an average 32 sick days each year.
• The Locust Valley school budget has increased over 30% ($17 MILLION) in the last 6 years. The newly adopted budget of $76,571,521.00 will increase it even further to 35% ($20 MILLION) if passed. Enrollment has dropped 6% since 2006 and is expected to drop another 2.5% to 2,060 students next year. The new budget will equal $37,170.00 per student. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby St. Dominic’s private school charges a year, and the district claims they need more. Is this example of greed and waste something we want out children taught? You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children’s expense.
• The average pay for our teachers is $107,000. a year. Teaching has become a part-time job consisting of only 182 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. What’s worse is they only teach 3.3 hours a day as per their contract. A far cry from the same teacher who taught us all day long when we went to school. Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries.
• Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout a teacher will make an additional $2,154,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $55,000 + Health Insurance 30 years @ $16,800.)
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Had to pick up something today and saw this super equipped $60K Jeep owned by the school district. It has so many antennas on it, looks almost like the water tower.
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@@@Anonymous
Was that at the HS? On my way up there in a few thinking of taking a pretty picture of it! Color?
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It is a 4x4 Jeep so it can be anywhere. Check Central Office if you cannot find it at HS. It should be at the Central Office at night unless someone takes it home.
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Please join Jack Dolce and the PTA to promote the budget on Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/events/213753075395093/
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LOL! Guess what? Because we SUPPORT AND HAVE SUPPORTED OUR CHILDREN, we need to VOTE NO TWICE! 0% TAX INCREASE is what OUR CHILDREN deserve! If Jack Dolce really cared about the future of LVCSD, he would stop trying to bankrupt the community!
VOTE NO TWICE! LVCSD can "limp by" on $35,000 per student. Use those IB critical thinking skills to figure out a way to do it. You might want to start by reintroducing AP Economics (micro and macro)
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Someone should recomend that social services check on any parent who supports a budget increase. A simple $200. annual increase over 20 years equals over $40,000.
Money that could go the childs college education or down payment on their first home. Can the parenta also explain why:
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year. Our Superintendent’s made $294,000.00 last year and has had her pay increased 17% ($43,000.00) since she started in 2008. Her contract also guarantees paid life insurance, 24 vacation and an average 32 sick days each year.
• The Locust Valley school budget has increased over 30% ($17 MILLION) in the last 6 years. The newly adopted budget of $76,571,521.00 will increase it even further to 35% ($20 MILLION) if passed. Enrollment has dropped 6% since 2006 and is expected to drop another 2.5% to 2,060 students next year. The new budget will equal $37,170.00 per student. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby St. Dominic’s private school charges a year, and the district claims they need more. Is this example of greed and waste something we want out children taught? You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children’s expense.
• The average pay for our teachers is $107,000. a year. Teaching has become a part-time job consisting of only 182 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. What’s worse is they only teach 3.3 hours a day as per their contract. A far cry from the same teacher who taught us all day long when we went to school. Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries.
• Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout a teacher will make an additional $2,154,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $55,000 + Health Insurance 30 years @ $16,800.)
AND YES I AM A PARENT, but I care about my childs future more their teachers pension account.
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Yes also friend "Children First" on facebook to show your support for our children.
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The Children First FB group in Sarasota, FL? C'mon PTA mommies. This budget is like asking for a higher child support payment from your ex so you can spend it on private tennis lessons and spa treatments for yourself!
VOTE NO TWICE! SAVE OUR CHILDREN, SAVE OUR COMMUNITIES! 0% TAX INCREASE!
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Not Florida, it should be out of Bayville. Try searching as a persons name " Children First" on Facebook.
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Everyday i read this blog and it makes me sick. When did you all start hating teachers so much? I can tell you in my case they go above and beyond the call with the helping my kid. Lisa would you move already.
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Sure thing Chase! Why don't you buy my house for your kid?
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I hope I am not sick and I hope you are not either. My COBRA ran out and I am without health insurance right now but I am paying 82% of the teachers' health insurance and all the retirees' health insurance. Does it make me sick? Yes, it does. My private sector job I had before did not pay for 82% ever. I had to pay $1,500 deductible out of my pocket when I had insurance and contribute 50% to the premium.
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Chase, no one hates teachers. We just love our kids more than you love yours. Keep giving your kids financial future away to the school district and see what kind of future they have.
As the saying goes, "A fool and their money are soon parted".
Why are you in favor of a teachers contract that only requires 3.3 hours of teaching a day?
Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and start a fund drive. Raise extra money so we don't all have to pay the financial burden of the teachers pensions?
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Anon wrote:
Richard,
You are a fraud and now everyone knows it.
What a bunch of half truths, misrepresentations and out and out lies. My reply in CAPS below.
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year.
YOU COMPARE THE GOVERNOR'S SALARY TO DR. HUNDERFUND'S TOTAL COMPENSATION TO MISLEAD THE READER. THE GOVERNOR'S COMPENSATION SHOULD INCLUDE ALL BENEFITS. HIS HEALTH CARE, PENSION AND STANDARD BENEFITS RAISE HIS COMPENSATION BY ABOUT 30% AND HE RECEIVES FREE HOUSING IN ALBANY WITH THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION AND AN ARPT. IN NYC. ADDITIONALLY HE HAS FULL TIME ACCESS TO TWO CHAUFFEUR LIMO'S, A HELICOPTER AND A SMALL PLANE AND ON AND ON. HIS TOTAL COMPENSATION IS WELL OVER $300K PROBABLY OVER $400K. did NOT take a raise last year.
Our school's Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and DID take a pay increase last year.
THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS NOT TAKEN ANY FORM OF COMPENSATION INCREASE SINCE SHE ARRIVE IN 2008. HER CONTRACT CAN BE FOILED AND VERIFIED. HER SALARY IS $255K
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $71,752,390.00 and only 2165 students. That equals $33,141.00 for each student in the school system.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE TRANSPORTATION AND BOOKS FOR ABOUT 800 PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENTS. INCLUDING THESE EXPENSES OBVIOUSLY DRIVES THE COST PER STUDENT DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE EXPENSE FOR CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES.
That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life's savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children's expense.
THIS IS A TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION. THE TWO NEAREST PRIVATE SCHOOLS LIST THE TUITION FOR THEIR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AT OVER $27K, AND THAT IS JUST THE BEGINNING. ALL FAMILIES ARE EXPECTED TO SUPPORT THE NUMEROUS FUND RAISERS. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE DONATION, ANNUITIES AND FOUNDATIONS CONTRIBUTE TO THE SCHOOL EXPENSES. CATHOLIC SCHOOLS RAISE MONEY THE SAME WAY. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE SCHOOLS DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR VERY EXPENSIVE UNPRODUCTIVE STATE MANDATES LIKE THE WICKS CONSTRUCTION LAW AND HUNDREDS OF OTHERS.
Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
THIS IS A JOKE. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT AN ACTUARY OR ACCOUNTANT OR PENSION FUND MANAGER. A LARGE PERCENT OF PENSION FUND PAYMENTS COME FROM INVESTMENTS OVER THE YEARS. THE PRIVATE MARKET HAS SOME PENSION PLANS, BUT MAINLY 401K PLANS TO PAY RETIREES. IT ALSO HAS SOMETHING THE PUBLIC SECTOR DOES NOT PROFIT SHARING. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE PENSION SYSTEM FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES (AND I DON'T) YOU SHOULD ADDRESS YOU OUTRAGE TO ALBANY WHICH WROTE THE PENSION SYSTEM INTO THE STATE CON
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Did you know if every student gets a 65% on the Regents exam that the school district can say 100% graduate with a Regents diploma? Sad but true, and that is what Locust Valley does. Take a look at where we actually compare to other schools based on test by test results. We are far from the top.
http://longisland.newsday.com/schools/rankings.php?id=regents--Geometry
Not really worthy of $37K a year per studenet and teachers making $115K a year to teach Kindergarten. Don't forget that the Regents are easir now and graded on a curve. So a 65% is probably closer to 50%. Wohooo! Let's here it for our school
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• Teaching is a part-time job consisting of only 180 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. Yet they make more than an equivalent private sector job even before their pensions are taken into account.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. EMPLOYEES WITH COMPARABLE EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE MAKE FAR MORE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. FOX NEWS REPORTED THE OTHER DAY THAT THIS YEAR'S GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL GRADUATES WILL START AT $175K. THIS YEAR'S MBA GRADUATES WILL ON AVERAGE START AT ABOUT $65K. GRADUATES OF IVY B SCHOOLS WILL START AT ABOUT $140K. IF AN EDUCATED PERSON IS PRIMARILY INTERESTED IN MAKING MONEY HE/SHE WILL NOT GO INTO EDUCATION. THEY WILL MAKE MORE IN OTHER PROFESSIONS OR BUSINESS. FACT!!!
• We are told that we must spend more money to get a quality education. The opposite was shown in the school documentary, "Waiting for Superman". The quality of education has gone down as the cost of schooling our children has gone up. Regents' exams and SAT's are now graded on a curve because students no longer perform to the same level of those years ago.
THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION HAS GONE DOWN, BUT NOT IN LOCUST VALLEY. LV NOW GRADUATES 99% OF ALL STUDENTS, FIRST ON LI. YOU CAN VERIFT THIS WITH NYS SCHOOL REPORT CARD. IT IS GRADUATES 78% OF STUDENTS WITH ADVANCED REGENTS DIPLOMAS, ONE OF TH HIGHEST PERCENTAGES ON LI. THERE ARE A DOZEN OF SO METRICS VERIFYING THIS.
• We are told that our school system is the best, but our teachers won't let our students take a standardized test to prove it.
WHAT CRAP. OUR STUDENTS HAVE BEEN TAKING MANDATED STANDARDIZED TESTS FOR YEARS AND HAVE DONE EXCEPTIONALLY WELL. AGAIN VERIFIABLE AT NYS REPORT CARD.
• The biggest lie is that "our schools are responsible for our property values". We live in one of the nicest places on the planet. The people who moved here, past and present did so because of the quality of life, not because of the schools. The school system is merely a reflection of the quality of the people that make up the community. The school system did NOT create our great community.
ANY REAL ESTATE BROKER, WITH THE POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF LISA WILL TELL YOU THE QUALITY OF A SCHOOL DISTRICT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR MOST POTENTIAL BUYERS.
• Our children are being forced off Long Island because of the cost of housing and taxes. If school tax increases continue only teachers and police will be able to live on Long Island. This community was a better place 20-30 years ago when a family and a business could afford to live here.
LI HAS ITS PROBLEMS BUT LI IS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE BEST IF NOT THE BEST REGION IN THE COUNTRY FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION.
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Anon,
You should know better than to invoke my name, especially if you want to discuss QUALITY and VALUE of homes. Despite all of the IB propaganda spewed by LVCSD for the past 8 years, Jericho SD STILL has higher property values, a much higher Ivy League acceptance rate and much higher Advanced Regents Diploma (94%) rate than LVCSD. Nu?
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/CIR-2011-280515030000.pdf
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Why even bother with Jericho? Just look at North Shore, 1.85% budget increase. Their per student cost is $31K and ours is going to be $37K if the bedget passes. Our per student cost is about 20% higher than theirs. Are we that much better?
North Shore total enrollment is 2,885 with the breakdown as follows:
North Shore School District Enrollment
Sea Cliff Elementary School, 280 Carpenter Ave, Sea Cliff
Kindergarten 78
Grade 1 49
Grade 2 76
Grade 3 65
Grade 4 71
Grade 5 73
Total enrollment 381
Glenwood Landing Elementary School, 60 Cody Ave, Glen Head
Enrollment
Kindergarten 68
Grade 1 107
Grade 2 65
Grade 3 94
Grade 4 77
Grade 5 93
Total enrollment 435
Glen Head Elementary School, 7 School St, Glen Head
Kindergarten 71
Grade 1 82
Grade 2 81
Grade 3 68
Grade 4 80
Grade 5 70
Total enrollment 472
North Shore Middle School, 505 Glen Cove Ave, Glen Head
Grade 6 232
Grade 7 202
Grade 8 230
Total enrollment 721
North Shore High School, 450 Glen Cove Ave, Glen Head
Grade 9 185
Grade 10 222
Grade 11 197
Grade 12 182
Total enrollment 876
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Why even bother with Jericho? Just look at North Shore, 1.85% budget increase. Their per student cost is $31K and ours is going to be $37K if the bedget passes. Our per student cost is about 20% higher than theirs. Are we that much better?
North Shore total enrollment is 2,885 with the breakdown as follows:
North Shore School District Enrollment
Sea Cliff Elementary School, 280 Carpenter Ave, Sea Cliff
Kindergarten 78
Grade 1 49
Grade 2 76
Grade 3 65
Grade 4 71
Grade 5 73
Total enrollment 381
Glenwood Landing Elementary School, 60 Cody Ave, Glen Head
Enrollment
Kindergarten 68
Grade 1 107
Grade 2 65
Grade 3 94
Grade 4 77
Grade 5 93
Total enrollment 435
Glen Head Elementary School, 7 School St, Glen Head
Kindergarten 71
Grade 1 82
Grade 2 81
Grade 3 68
Grade 4 80
Grade 5 70
Total enrollment 472
North Shore Middle School, 505 Glen Cove Ave, Glen Head
Grade 6 232
Grade 7 202
Grade 8 230
Total enrollment 721
North Shore High School, 450 Glen Cove Ave, Glen Head
Grade 9 185
Grade 10 222
Grade 11 197
Grade 12 182
Total enrollment 876
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True NS is better managed than Locust Valley and better educates their kids, but neither should compared. It's like saying our PIG smells better than their PIG. Bottom line is all these districts must stoip looting the public. They are all pigs.
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Locust_Valley_School_District_Excess_Cartoon_1_.pdf
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I readily admit Jericho is today the best academic school district today. LV is a top district as noted by virtually all academic measures.
Regent Graduates 99% #2 of 126 districts
Advanced Regents Rate 78% #10 0f 126 districts
And of course your favorite top 1/2 of 1% nationally by the Washington Post.
The post never questioned Jericho's great academic record or compared LV or any other district to Jericho. Jericho's academic results does come with a very high $52k average per pupil cost.
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Where are you getting $52K????
$114,468,000 / 2,997 = $38,194
Again, an OBSCENE amount, yet only $1,000 more than LVCSD will be if this budget passes!
LVCSD abuts Jericho geographically.
Jericho rejected IB years ago.
15% of the average Jericho graduating class receives acceptances to the Ivies.
94% Advanced Regents Diplomas
52% of Jericho's graduating classes are AP SCHOLARS!!!!
Shall we compare the number of Intel semi-finalists from Jericho to LVCSD?
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Anon, I present facts and you respond with opionion. Teaching is a part-time job and you respond with the average pay of recent graduates. You forget to mention that recent graduates only have a 50% chance of getting a job. That recent graduates will work FULL TIME and NOT PART-TIME like teachers. That private sector employees don't get a 50% pension when retiring. It is obvious that you have never worked in the private sector.
And again our test scores stink, they aren't worth $10K a year much less $37K a year per student.
Now get your lazy butt back to work, we are not paying you to sit around and post on this blog. DO IT ON YOUR OWN TIME.
Go back to your rambling, my facts are undisputable.
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Facts? Document you information. You haven't once documented your information.
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Who cares what the enrollment by school is at NS.
What we know about NS is its Advanced Regent Diploma Rate is low 64% and falling and it just gutted its programs and faculty (30 LAYOFFS) so it is heading lower.
Any district that wants to gut its academics can keep a low budget. Yet the tax levy which determines our taxes is higher than the budget.
IT DOESN'T EVEN SEEM LIKE THE ns Superintendent believes in what his Board did.
Anonymous wrote:
Say whatever you like. I am glad we are not making cuts like NS. The superintendent sounds like he is going to cry
Cuts To-Date as of February 2012
• 5 Clerical Positions
• 2 Custodial/Clearer Positions
• 1.5 Security Positions
• 1.5 Administrative Positions
• 18 Teacher Positions
• Part Time Bus Drivers
• $75,000 for Co-Curricular Art, Clubs & Chaperones
• $78,000 for Interscholastic Athletics
• Additional Funds in Buildings/Grounds/Supplies/
• Overtime/Professional Development
Dr. Melnick reiterated, He said, “It breaks my heart to recommend any of these cuts. This is
the first year, we are faced with significant cuts. In making these recommendations, they
have not been made lightly. We are trying to be equitable to all students and we’re
maintaining a strong program for our students.”
President Genovesi added, “The Board has agreed to stay within the cap this year, but will need
to examine this very carefully in the future if we were to maintain the quality of education that
our community values.
Dr. Melnick added, “Our Legislature has simply passed a rule (e.g., the property tax cap) that’s
dismantling education throughout the state. The property tax cap has not fixed the issue.
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Who cares whether you care of not?
Source: North Shore Schools Newswatch
- April 2012 Issue
NS College Acceptance as reported (Page 8):
Brown
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
U Penn
Yale
Six out of the eight Ivy League Schools
Show me what you got from Locust Valley.
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You are a fraud and now everyone knows it.
What a bunch of half truths, misrepresentations and out and out lies. My reply in CAPS below.
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year.
YOU COMPARE THE GOVERNOR'S SALARY TO DR. HUNDERFUND'S TOTAL COMPENSATION TO MISLEAD THE READER. THE GOVERNOR'S COMPENSATION SHOULD INCLUDE ALL BENEFITS. HIS HEALTH CARE, PENSION AND STANDARD BENEFITS RAISE HIS COMPENSATION BY ABOUT 30% AND HE RECEIVES FREE HOUSING IN ALBANY WITH THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION AND AN ARPT. IN NYC. ADDITIONALLY HE HAS FULL TIME ACCESS TO TWO CHAUFFEUR LIMO'S, A HELICOPTER AND A SMALL PLANE AND ON AND ON. HIS TOTAL COMPENSATION IS WELL OVER $300K PROBABLY OVER $400K. did NOT take a raise last year.
Our school's Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and DID take a pay increase last year.
THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS NOT TAKEN ANY FORM OF COMPENSATION INCREASE SINCE SHE ARRIVE IN 2008. HER CONTRACT CAN BE FOILED AND VERIFIED. HER SALARY IS $255K
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $71,752,390.00 and only 2165 students. That equals $33,141.00 for each student in the school system.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE TRANSPORTATION AND BOOKS FOR ABOUT 800 PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENTS. INCLUDING THESE EXPENSES OBVIOUSLY DRIVES THE COST PER STUDENT DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE EXPENSE FOR CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES.
That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life's savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children's expense.
THIS IS A TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION. THE TWO NEAREST PRIVATE SCHOOLS LIST THE TUITION FOR THEIR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AT OVER $27K, AND THAT IS JUST THE BEGINNING. ALL FAMILIES ARE EXPECTED TO SUPPORT THE NUMEROUS FUND RAISERS. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE DONATION, ANNUITIES AND FOUNDATIONS CONTRIBUTE TO THE SCHOOL EXPENSES. CATHOLIC SCHOOLS RAISE MONEY THE SAME WAY. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE SCHOOLS DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR VERY EXPENSIVE UNPRODUCTIVE STATE MANDATES LIKE THE WICKS CONSTRUCTION LAW AND HUNDREDS OF OTHERS.
Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
THIS IS A JOKE. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT AN ACTUARY OR ACCOUNTANT OR PENSION FUND MANAGER. A LARGE PERCENT OF PENSION FUND PAYMENTS COME FROM INVESTMENTS OVER THE YEARS. THE PRIVATE MARKET HAS SOME PENSION PLANS, BUT MAINLY 401K PLANS TO PAY RETIREES. IT ALSO HAS SOMETHING THE PUBLIC SECTOR DOES NOT PROFIT SHARING. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE PENSION SYSTEM FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES (AND I DON'T) YOU SHOULD ADDRESS YOU OUTRAGE TO ALBANY WHICH WROTE THE PENSION SYSTEM INTO THE STATE CON
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Stop your crap madness. As the district reported, busing and textbooks for private school kids come to $2m a year. Subtracting that, you are still #2 in Nassau County. Keeping in mind, Oyster Bay and North Shore also bus significant number of private school kids and provide them with textbooks. The $37K per student cost is way up there surpassing everyone except Jericho with a very high percentage of transient "visiting" students from Asia that we do not care for in this community.
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Teaching is a part-time job consisting of only 180 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. Yet they make more than an equivalent private sector job even before their pensions are taken into account.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. EMPLOYEES WITH COMPARABLE EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE MAKE FAR MORE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. FOX NEWS REPORTED THE OTHER DAY THAT THIS YEAR'S GEORGETOWN LAW SCHOOL GRADUATES WILL START AT $175K. THIS YEAR'S MBA GRADUATES WILL ON AVERAGE START AT ABOUT $65K. GRADUATES OF IVY B SCHOOLS WILL START AT ABOUT $140K. IF AN EDUCATED PERSON IS PRIMARILY INTERESTED IN MAKING MONEY HE/SHE WILL NOT GO INTO EDUCATION. THEY WILL MAKE MORE IN OTHER PROFESSIONS OR BUSINESS. FACT!!!
• We are told that we must spend more money to get a quality education. The opposite was shown in the school documentary, "Waiting for Superman". The quality of education has gone down as the cost of schooling our children has gone up. Regents' exams and SAT's are now graded on a curve because students no longer perform to the same level of those years ago.
THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION HAS GONE DOWN, BUT NOT IN LOCUST VALLEY. LV NOW GRADUATES 99% OF ALL STUDENTS, FIRST ON LI. YOU CAN VERIFT THIS WITH NYS SCHOOL REPORT CARD. IT IS GRADUATES 78% OF STUDENTS WITH ADVANCED REGENTS DIPLOMAS, ONE OF TH HIGHEST PERCENTAGES ON LI. THERE ARE A DOZEN OF SO METRICS VERIFYING THIS.
• We are told that our school system is the best, but our teachers won't let our students take a standardized test to prove it.
WHAT CRAP. OUR STUDENTS HAVE BEEN TAKING MANDATED STANDARDIZED TESTS FOR YEARS AND HAVE DONE EXCEPTIONALLY WELL. AGAIN VERIFIABLE AT NYS REPORT CARD.
• The biggest lie is that "our schools are responsible for our property values". We live in one of the nicest places on the planet. The people who moved here, past and present did so because of the quality of life, not because of the schools. The school system is merely a reflection of the quality of the people that make up the community. The school system did NOT create our great community.
ANY REAL ESTATE BROKER, WITH THE POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF LISA WILL TELL YOU THE QUALITY OF A SCHOOL DISTRICT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR MOST POTENTIAL BUYERS.
• Our children are being forced off Long Island because of the cost of housing and taxes. If school tax increases continue only teachers and police will be able to live on Long Island. This community was a better place 20-30 years ago when a family and a business could afford to live here.
LI HAS ITS PROBLEMS BUT LI IS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE BEST IF NOT THE BEST REGION IN THE COUNTRY FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION.
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"THIS YEAR'S MBA GRADUATES WILL ON AVERAGE START AT ABOUT $65K. GRADUATES OF IVY B SCHOOLS WILL START AT ABOUT $140K."
Right! I know one right in our backyard with an MBA degree but ain't have a job.
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@Anon,
Can you identify which co-currcular& clubs
And athletics they are cutting?? Which ones do THEY feel are not as important as others?
Or do they bother not to list them?
• $75,000 for Co-Curricular Art, Clubs & Chaperones
• $78,000 for Interscholastic Athletics
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I stand by my facts. You can see her pay over 4 years here. I didn't say she got a raise, her additional compensation was hidden as part of her 70 sick days.
http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/">http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year. Our Superintendent’s made $294,000.00 last year and has had her pay increased 17% ($43,000.00) since she started in 2008. Her contract also guarantees paid life insurance, 24 vacation and an average 32 sick days each year.
• The Locust Valley school budget has increased over 30% ($17 MILLION) in the last 6 years. The newly adopted budget of $76,571,521.00 will increase it even further to 35% ($20 MILLION) if passed. Enrollment has dropped 6% since 2006 and is expected to drop another 2.5% to 2,060 students next year. The new budget will equal $37,170.00 per student. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby St. Dominic’s private school charges a year, and the district claims they need more. Is this example of greed and waste something we want out children taught? You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children’s expense.
• The average pay for our teachers is $107,000. a year. Teaching has become a part-time job consisting of only 182 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. What’s worse is they only teach 3.3 hours a day as per their contract. A far cry from the same teacher who taught us all day long when we went to school. Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/">http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries.
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You are a fraud and now everyone knows it.
What a bunch of half truths, misrepresentations and out and out lies. My reply in CAPS below.
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year.
YOU COMPARE THE GOVERNOR'S SALARY TO DR. HUNDERFUND'S TOTAL COMPENSATION TO MISLEAD THE READER. THE GOVERNOR'S COMPENSATION SHOULD INCLUDE ALL BENEFITS. HIS HEALTH CARE, PENSION AND STANDARD BENEFITS RAISE HIS COMPENSATION BY ABOUT 30% AND HE RECEIVES FREE HOUSING IN ALBANY WITH THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION AND AN ARPT. IN NYC. ADDITIONALLY HE HAS FULL TIME ACCESS TO TWO CHAUFFEUR LIMO'S, A HELICOPTER AND A SMALL PLANE AND ON AND ON. HIS TOTAL COMPENSATION IS WELL OVER $300K PROBABLY OVER $400K. did NOT take a raise last year.
Our school's Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and DID take a pay increase last year.
THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS NOT TAKEN ANY FORM OF COMPENSATION INCREASE SINCE SHE ARRIVE IN 2008. HER CONTRACT CAN BE FOILED AND VERIFIED. HER SALARY IS $255K
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $71,752,390.00 and only 2165 students. That equals $33,141.00 for each student in the school system.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE TRANSPORTATION AND BOOKS FOR ABOUT 800 PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENTS. INCLUDING THESE EXPENSES OBVIOUSLY DRIVES THE COST PER STUDENT DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE EXPENSE FOR CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES.
That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life's savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children's expense.
THIS IS A TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION. THE TWO NEAREST PRIVATE SCHOOLS LIST THE TUITION FOR THEIR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AT OVER $27K, AND THAT IS JUST THE BEGINNING. ALL FAMILIES ARE EXPECTED TO SUPPORT THE NUMEROUS FUND RAISERS. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE DONATION, ANNUITIES AND FOUNDATIONS CONTRIBUTE TO THE SCHOOL EXPENSES. CATHOLIC SCHOOLS RAISE MONEY THE SAME WAY. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE SCHOOLS DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR VERY EXPENSIVE UNPRODUCTIVE STATE MANDATES LIKE THE WICKS CONSTRUCTION LAW AND HUNDREDS OF OTHERS.
Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
THIS IS A JOKE. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT AN ACTUARY OR ACCOUNTANT OR PENSION FUND MANAGER. A LARGE PERCENT OF PENSION FUND PAYMENTS COME FROM INVESTMENTS OVER THE YEARS. THE PRIVATE MARKET HAS SOME PENSION PLANS, BUT MAINLY 401K PLANS TO PAY RETIREES. IT ALSO HAS SOMETHING THE PUBLIC SECTOR DOES NOT PROFIT SHARING. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE PENSION SYSTEM FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES (AND I DON'T) YOU SHOULD ADDRESS YOU OUTRAGE TO ALBANY WHICH WROTE THE PENSION SYSTEM INTO THE STATE CON
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Your statement makes no sense:
"THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE TRANSPORTATION AND BOOKS FOR ABOUT 800 PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENTS. INCLUDING THESE EXPENSES OBVIOUSLY DRIVES THE COST PER STUDENT DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY."
Do you realize the school district collects $35K for each of those 800 students NOT occupying a seat? That's right, send your kid somewhere else and the district still gets to keep the tax revenue. That is is really FREE money.
You haven't addressed the fact the fact that the teachers contract only requires 3.3 hours daily of actual teaching. Please keep trying though. Your inane comments only help my side.
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"Do you realize the school district collects $35K for each of those 800 students"
WHAT?? Are you really that math deficient? No wonder you hate teachers, no one ever taught you math.
The $35k average cost is bases on the students enrolled in LV. 2200 x $35k =$76m
If the district collected $35k for each of these 800 students as you claim it would be collecting an additional 35,000 x 800 OR $28,000,000.
Part of the average cost of the 2200 or whatever the exact number of LV students goes to pay for books and transportation, as it should, of private school students. Thus the actual cost applicant to the LV students is overstated. If you want to include all the students who benefit from school taxes the average cost would be about $25k.
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Stop your crap. How many times I have to tell you the district reported that the total cost for private school busing and textbooks is $2m. Subtract that you are still #2 in Nassau County. Oyster Bay and North Shore has the same situation with busing and textbook for significant number of private school kikds and their per student cost is 20% lower than LV.
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Stop your crap. How many times I have to tell you the district reported that the total cost for private school busing and textbooks is $2m. Subtract that you are still #2 in Nassau County. Oyster Bay and North Shore has the same situation with busing and textbook for significant number of private school kikds and their per student cost is 20% lower than LV.
$76m - $2m (adjust for private school busing and textbooks) = $74m
$74m / 2,060 students = $35,922
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What about these salaries? Are they for real!!!
Teseo, Robert F $152,328.52 2011 Math
Stella, Allen C $151,842.00 2011 Science
Dantuono, Mark J $145,132.48 2011 GYM
Ethe, David J $145,060.47 2011 Social Studies
Hoppner, Christopher J $144,234.68 2011 Science
Margiotta, William R $143,625.36 2011 Music
Rogin, James K $142,621.72 2011 Social Studies
Cannone, Edward M $142,257.72 2011 English
Green, Rachel B $142,058.56 2011 Foreign Language
Mulstay, Mary J $142,046.28 2011 Individual Needs
Mc Andrew, Daniel P $140,198.10 2011 GYM
Cagney, Monica A $135,598.68 2011 4th Grade
Craig, Catherine H $135,300.80 2011 Speech
Gould, Kenneth J $134,716.60 2011 Science
Fuggini, Francis L $133,959.12 2011 Science
Palmer, Elaine M $133,517.66 2011 5th Grade
Aragonesi, Joseph $131,840.46 2011 Enrichment
Kane, Kathleen P $130,975.36 2011 Reading
Buonaspina, Robert $130,642.80 2011 International Bacul
Gordon, Carlyn R $130,413.96 2011 GYM
Miller, Maribeth $130,049.41 2011 GYM
Gurzynski, Walter B $129,475.48 2011 Science
Hendrickson, Mary R $129,364.43 2011 Social Studies
Crici, Vincent D $128,905.64 2011 Music
Murray, Patricia A $128,725.05 2011 Individual Needs
Collins, Carolyn J $128,627.08 2011 GYM
Bender, Denise L $128,548.04 2011 Music
Harrington, Gabrielle E $128,158.94 2011 PASS
LaBella, Barbara E $128,130.87 2011 Enrichment
Mahoski, Shelly L $127,954.62 2011 Math
Beers, Susan M $127,920.00 2011 English
Rogers, Jean M $127,245.92 2011 Science
Medwed, Marjorie J $127,241.00 2011 3rd Grade
Ciampi, Veronica M $127,144.97 2011 Science
Hockman-Zappulla, Lynette S $127,090.08 2011 Psychologist
Bellisari, Timothy $126,777.35 2011 GYM
Meli, Joann M $126,394.07 2011 Reading
Kobus, Doreen A $126,024.15 2011 Computers
Bressel, Elizabeth R $125,490.74 2011 Foreign Language
Lasko, Pamela $125,394.00 2011 5th Grade
Benstock, Jane P $125,220.52 2011 Music
Blask, Sherri G $125,195.00 2011 1st Grade
Emery, Carol A $125,195.00 2011 Reading
Perrone, Anthony J $125,184.41 2011 Social Studies
Defeo, Linda $124,664.88 2011 Art
Sokol, Ricki J $124,413.84 2011 2nd Grade
Learn more at http://www.lischooltax.com/ www.bayvilleblog.com www.seethroughny.net/payrolls
Campbell, Bruce R $123,819.00 2011 TV Media Production
Kalbacher, Prudence A $123,724.60 2011 2nd Grade
Buzzeo, Carol A $123,531.65 2011 Music
Morris, Philip A $123,515.18 2011 English
Mierlak, Barbara A $123,326.73 2011 Library
Galano, Jacqueline O $123,022.24 2011 Library
Lee, Joseph G $122,245.44 2011 Math
Becker, Tanya J $122,034.40 2011 2nd Grade
Youngs, Lynn A $121,952.72 2011 Individual Needs
Zindman, Shari P $121,602.40 2011 4th Grade
Eno, Stacey L $121,058.20 2011 Kindergarten
Kriesberg, Karen L $121,058.20 2011 1st Grade
Schaffer, Gail R $120,164.00 2011 3rd Grade
Kardonsky, Mark H $120,027.72 2011 Science
Keenan, Faith K $119,967.39 2011 Guidance
Guerra, Vincent J $119,152.92 2011 Music
Greco, Mary L $118,994.29 2011 English
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Some more
Nardone, Andrew J $118,835.07 2011 English
Gallucci, Maureen A $118,831.04 2011 Math
Herlich, Kimmarie T $118,657.80 2011 2nd Grade
Benstock, John E $117,959.00 2011 Music- SUSPENDED
Mann, Emily L $117,835.14 2011 Individual Needs
Cook, Joyce A $117,830.00 2011 Computers
Reilly, Kathleen M $117,823.62 2011 Social Studies
Mc Elwain, Susan G $116,812.84 2011 3rd Grade
Duvall, Loretta I $116,463.32 2011 Kindergarten
Portente, Valerie $116,134.96 2011 Foreign Language
Yanez, Diane $115,991.20 2011 4th Grade
Fahlbusch, Barbara M $115,738.04 2011 Kindergarten
Patak, Ellen C $115,600.20 2011 Kindergarten
Shanahan, Jeanne M $115,382.68 2011 Kindergarten
Vissicchio, Dawn M $115,359.60 2011 4th Grade
Lynch, Lawrence P $115,351.20 2011 English
Harrison, Joseph $115,215.02 2011 English
Haslinger, Lynn C $115,092.76 2011 Speech
Mason, Evelyn D $115,048.80 2011 English
Mills, Marie S $114,851.20 2011 ESL
Mc Elwain, Penny $114,844.18 2011 Social Studies
Hodgson, Janice $114,156.08 2011 Math
Kollias, Frank $113,160.37 2011 GYM
Bates, Elizabeth A $112,628.64 2011 4th Grade
Keys, Erin E $112,519.60 2011 Art
Adames-Pugliano, Juana E $112,303.68 2011 Foreign Language
Weiner, Michelle $111,977.32 2011 5th Grade
Watson, Amy E $111,737.89 2011 Foreign Language
Caballero, Elizabeth G $110,496.80 2011 Math/Science
Vitale, Anthony J $109,429.77 2011 English
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Weprin, Jennifer L $109,429.28 2011 Reading
De Gregorio, Heather $109,266.48 2011 Health
Fredericks, Donna M $108,746.83 2011 Science
Murray, Lucia L $108,638.00 2011 Math/Science
Prohens, Meredith C $108,631.40 2011 Individual Needs
Hersh, Jennifer A $108,189.13 2011 Social Studies
First, Meris L $108,076.34 2011 Guidance
Ring, Karen H $108,055.28 2011 Social Studies
Bennett, Romy M $108,017.22 2011 Individual Needs
Saltzman, Amy R $107,569.40 2011 4th Grade
Calandra, William J $107,160.73 2011 Math/Science
Levy, Robert P $106,413.66 2011 Social Studies
Oromaner, Diana M $106,206.18 2011 Reading
Bates, Elizabeth (Betsy) A $105,706.90 2011 2nd Grade
Monsees, Ann M $105,002.33 2011 Math/Science
Levy, Rachel $104,782.60 2011 Individual Needs
Wolf, Stephen J $104,287.34 2011 Science
Cusano, Nicole L $104,139.08 2011 4th Grade
Van Nostrand, Jennifer A $103,523.08 2011 Math
Loveland, Dawn M $103,409.00 2011 Reading
Ettinger, Dana L $102,432.92 2011 Art
Morris, Lisa A $101,938.80 2011 Psychologist
Spear, Melinda J $101,010.34 2011 1st Grade
Goeren, Kathleen $100,424.99 2011 Psychologist
McCarthy, Amanda B $100,248.72 2011 5th Grade
Carroll, Lauren E $100,139.76 2011 Individual Needs
Schmid, Christopher J $100,041.96 2011 Science
Fredican, Nicole B $99,959.12 2011 Enrichment
Lomot, Timothy M $99,372.93
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How do you justify these salaries for PART TIME WORK.
Klug, Kristy L $99,191.43 2011 Individual Needs
Mc Glone, Elizabeth M $98,959.68 2011 FLES
Alonge, Francine $98,284.98 2011 1st Grade
Wohrle, Judith G $95,962.56 2011 Foreign Language
Vera, Laura A $95,889.60 2011 GYM
DiGennaro, John F $95,303.71 2011 Individual Needs
Comerford-Nilsen, Coleen G $94,518.56 2011 English
Cavanagh, Dina E $94,405.44 2011 Speech
Notti, Douglas W $94,245.82 2011 Technology
Dean, Teresa $94,044.12 2011 English
Schade, Jeanine $93,348.00 2011 Individual Needs
Sherry, Sharon E $92,801.80 2011 Individual Needs
Rovere, Santa T $92,646.60 2011 2nd Grade
Gallagher, Scott F $91,047.88 2011 Psychologist
Chaplin, Donna R $90,767.72 2011 Art
Lipsey, Stefanie M $90,549.00 2011 Library
Pacifico, Nadine M $90,092.04 2011 GYM
McFarland, Matthew J $90,080.40 2011 GYM
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Maier, Jeffrey E $89,752.80 2011 Science
Murawski, Katharine C $89,420.08 2011 Social Studies
Hellyer, Carole E $89,411.04 2011 Reading
Mooney, Melanie M $89,053.62 2011 Art
Hujber, Christine M $88,501.84 2011 Music
Aiello, Eleonora J $88,490.91 2011 Foreign Language
Caramico, Tammy $87,904.82 2011 Individual Needs
Czerniecki, Lisa A $87,436.14 2011 English
Manzo, Angela E $86,722.01 2011 Math
Rose, Doreen A $86,649.59 2011 Social Studies
Smith, Katherine A $85,353.48 2011 English
Hauck, Maura M $84,892.80 2011 1st Grade
St Denis, Scott A $84,821.32 2011 Foreign Language
Conti, Lisa J $84,338.13 2011 Music
Rice, Tara M $84,219.92 2011 2nd Grade
Foote, Tiffani D $83,594.76 2011 Math
Enea, Joseph M $83,227.51 2011 Social Studies
Franco, Adriana M $83,166.48 2011 Psychologist
Dennis, Tracy E $83,072.92 2011 Kindergarten
Angelo, Mariantonia $83,061.05 2011 Foreign Language
Rosenbaum, Amy F $82,084.04 2011 English
Labansky, Charles A $81,905.38 2011 Technology
Wescott, Alyssa R $81,550.19 2011 Science
Mc Namara, Lisa $80,709.23 2011 Math
Burns, Margaret A $80,487.84 2011 4th Grade
Celli, Jillian J $80,450.79 2011 Guidance
Kuhner, Barbara A $77,784.75 2011 Math
Camilleri, Thomas C $77,415.24 2011 Art / Technology
Joyce, Anne T $77,369.00 2011 Library
Corrado, Loren K $75,439.43 2011 Individual Needs
San Filippo, Kristen P $74,397.82 2011 Math
Grassi, Kelley A $73,498.03 2011 Guidance
Simensky, Kyle C $73,093.00 2011 GYM
Pasquale, Lisa M $72,296.69 2011 Guidance
Canavan, John F $71,780.42 2011 Social Studies
McKay, Courtney A $70,653.31 2011 Science
Hordy, Kristen L $70,533.02 2011 GYM
Ricciardi, Efrat $68,348.45 2011 Math
Yavoski, Marc S $67,160.00 2011 Music
Lee, Kristen $66,866.99 2011 Math
Coppola, Paige M $63,417.21 2011 Library
Badillo, Joy A $62,397.75 2011 Individual Needs
Verrelli, Sara M $60,991.51 2011 English
Boni, Margaret A $60,519.14 2011 English
Bolitho, Adele $57,223.00 2011 English
Wikstrom, Ed $51,000.00 2011 Foreign Language
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Anon wrote:
You are a fraud and now everyone knows it.
What a bunch of half truths, misrepresentations and out and out lies. My reply in CAPS below.
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year.
YOU COMPARE THE GOVERNOR'S SALARY TO DR. HUNDERFUND'S TOTAL COMPENSATION TO MISLEAD THE READER. THE GOVERNOR'S COMPENSATION SHOULD INCLUDE ALL BENEFITS. HIS HEALTH CARE, PENSION AND STANDARD BENEFITS RAISE HIS COMPENSATION BY ABOUT 30% AND HE RECEIVES FREE HOUSING IN ALBANY WITH THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION AND AN ARPT. IN NYC. ADDITIONALLY HE HAS FULL TIME ACCESS TO TWO CHAUFFEUR LIMO'S, A HELICOPTER AND A SMALL PLANE AND ON AND ON. HIS TOTAL COMPENSATION IS WELL OVER $300K PROBABLY OVER $400K. did NOT take a raise last year.
Our school's Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and DID take a pay increase last year.
THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS NOT TAKEN ANY FORM OF COMPENSATION INCREASE SINCE SHE ARRIVE IN 2008. HER CONTRACT CAN BE FOILED AND VERIFIED. HER SALARY IS $255K
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $71,752,390.00 and only 2165 students. That equals $33,141.00 for each student in the school system.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE TRANSPORTATION AND BOOKS FOR ABOUT 800 PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENTS. INCLUDING THESE EXPENSES OBVIOUSLY DRIVES THE COST PER STUDENT DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE EXPENSE FOR CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES.
That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life's savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children's expense.
THIS IS A TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION. THE TWO NEAREST PRIVATE SCHOOLS LIST THE TUITION FOR THEIR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AT OVER $27K, AND THAT IS JUST THE BEGINNING. ALL FAMILIES ARE EXPECTED TO SUPPORT THE NUMEROUS FUND RAISERS. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE DONATION, ANNUITIES AND FOUNDATIONS CONTRIBUTE TO THE SCHOOL EXPENSES. CATHOLIC SCHOOLS RAISE MONEY THE SAME WAY. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE SCHOOLS DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR VERY EXPENSIVE UNPRODUCTIVE STATE MANDATES LIKE THE WICKS CONSTRUCTION LAW AND HUNDREDS OF OTHERS.
Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
THIS IS A JOKE. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT AN ACTUARY OR ACCOUNTANT OR PENSION FUND MANAGER. A LARGE PERCENT OF PENSION FUND PAYMENTS COME FROM INVESTMENTS OVER THE YEARS. THE PRIVATE MARKET HAS SOME PENSION PLANS, BUT MAINLY 401K PLANS TO PAY RETIREES. IT ALSO HAS SOMETHING THE PUBLIC SECTOR DOES NOT PROFIT SHARING. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE PENSION SYSTEM FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES (AND I DON'T) YOU SHOULD ADDRESS YOU OUTRAGE TO ALBANY WHICH WROTE THE PENSION SYSTEM INTO THE STATE CON
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Hey,
You say whatever you want to say to defend your incompetency. The fact we are reaching $37K per student, rank #2 in Nassau County is indefensible. ($36K per student adjusted for private school busing and textbooks).
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sungel buc wrote:
"Do you realize the school district collects $35K for each of those 800 students"
WHAT?? Are you really that math deficient? No wonder you hate teachers, no one ever taught you math.
The $35k average cost is bases on the students enrolled in LV. 2200 x $35k =$76m
If the district collected $35k for each of these 800 students as you claim it would be collecting an additional 35,000 x 800 OR $28,000,000.
Part of the average cost of the 2200 or whatever the exact number of LV students goes to pay for books and transportation, as it should, of private school students. Thus the actual cost applicant to the LV students is overstated. If you want to include all the students who benefit from school taxes the average cost would be about $25k.
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Buonaspina, Robert $130,642.80 2011 International Bacul
We are being raped!!!!
SAY NO TO IB
VOTE NO
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Plus his $65K a year when he retires. So he is really making $195K a year for a PART TIME JOB.
DISGUSTING!!!!
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Does anyone know if this is happening in LVCSD? I am in the process of confirming the story with parents I know in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, which is mentioned in the story:
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/kids-all-over-america-are-being-put-on-buses-and-sent-to-alternate-locations-during-school-terror-drills
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LOL...."school terror drills"
how come when we had civil war defense drills we sat up against our lockers in the halls????
now they have to bus them to other locations?????
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Haven't heard of it happening but I think I will put my school on notice that if my child is removed from school without my knowledge and consent, that I may file charges of kidnapping against them.
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don't forget that in the beginning of the year you signed a triplicate form stating what to do with your child in case of school closing.
Three questions....one was to let them take the bus!
in the future always sign you will pick them up!
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They may have changed that form since the way I remember it, but didn't that only apply to "emergency closings" (mostly weather related)? Does anyone have a copy who can see if there is any reference to "terror drills" or something similar? Thanks.
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http://www.kens5.com/news/Elementary-school-girls-get-in-trouble-for-wearing-a-shirt-to-support-their-father-a-wounded-warrior-148599885.html
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so here is my question.... how many days should a teacher work? What would be fair pay and compensation for the person teaching your child, THE FURURE OF OUR COUNTRY?? No one seems to want to answer my questions, you all just want to bitch about salaries and IB/AP . We are facing a change in our country, and without bright, educated people to help move it forward what is our future? I'm sorry if you lost your job, so did I, but I will not let the future of my country fall because I didn't want to pay a little bit more to save it!! Not to mention that the tax assessor is the one that actually determines how much your taxes will go up. The school might set its' increase, but based on the value of your house ( which the tax assessor determines) your taxes might actually be higher. Let's fix the county and state.
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joan,
"THE FURURE OF OUR COUNTRY??"
I will answer your question! The best way to predict the future is to look at the past. Fall of 2008, our economy collapsed, stock market tanked (though there is recovery), housing market tanked (and it is still in the pits), unemployment sky rocketed (not surprising when we outsource almost everything). Many of our graduates of 2008 are going to finish college this year. I only heard families telling me how much student loan debt they will be carrying start out of the gate but none told me their kids have jobs lined up waiting for them. During this same time period, our school budget has gone up by 17% and soon will be over 21% if this budget passes. Yes, I have heard the long list of excuses, unfunded mandates, special ed, private school busing, textbooks, and so on and so forth. The hard fact is State mandate is not for Locust Valley only. Every public school in New York is on the same boat. Yet, LVCSD is #2 in per student cost. Why? Jericho is #1 but they have a lot commercial property tax payers to share the burden and we don't. I want to look out for the future of our country too, and our college bound kids are not going to be heavily laden with student loans. It has to start here and now.
VOTE NO TO 3.79% BUDGET INCREASE!
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Outsourcing sure is a problem! I was so depressed about it the other day, I called the suicide hotline and it was routed to Pakistan. They got all excited and asked if I could drive a truck!
VOTE NO TWICE!
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I would begin by eliminating the winter vacation (which was implemented in the 70's because of the gas crisis) and observance of the Jewish holidays in September. That would add a full week of instruction for the children. The Superintendent conference days could be moved to the summer, so I would say 190-192 days a year would be preferable.
You want to fix the county and the state? Uh, ok .... stop electing Democrats. Consolidate 54 school districts in Nassau County into 5, drastically slashing the fat at the top.
Teacher salaries? Start them at $48,000 and cap them at $100,000. Cap Superintendents at $225,000. Eliminate Steps and implement merit pay.
Of course, the union would riot and take it out on the kids and people like you would say, "How horrible, how can you punish these public servants by capping their salaries and pensions? Aren't you for a "free market"?
I am for a "free market" - in private business. Ask yourself, "How has Friends Academy been able to stay in business by charging $27,000 a year and capping the number of students at 750?" Surely it's not because Friends offers a lousy education.
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Lisa,
Since you are a "free market" person, I have a question for you. Our enrollment declined by 10% since 2008. How come we do not have the same reduction is work force? Shouldn't we have 10% fewer teachers? The last published number is 227 teachers at LV. How much money will we save by keeping the same (note no increase but just keeping the same) teacher student ratio?
@ $107K average teacher's salary and reduce 23 teachers will come to a saving of $2.5 million.
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Anonymous,
Please scroll up this thread. You will see I made the recommendation to reduce the teaching staff by 10% last week or so. There is NO NEED for 88 electives at the HS.
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Joan, no one has a problem paying teachers what they are worth and for how much they work. The problem is paying them premium salaries even based on a full time job. Sadly you and your ilk invoke our childrens names to line your pockets and that is quite disturbing. I remember when a teacher worked a full day and produced students worthy of their hard work.
Todays union slime aka teachers produces some of the most poorly qualified students I have ever seen. Have you ever seen a resume or interviewed a student from todays schools? No I didn't think so, so save me the kids are our future nonsense. The only future you care about is yours.
No one has a problem paying school taxes, but when it starts to cost $37K a year for public school compared to $8,400. for St. Dominics that becomes a problem.
I think the low character of the "gold digging" teachers is having an effect on our youth and it is has to stop. We need to get teachers back in the classroomm who are more concerned about the kids as opposed to their pension growth.
The truth is getting out there, you can't lie to people anymore.
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@ joan
Do you have children in HS or MS?
Do you TALK with them, can you have or maybe , can they have open honest conversations with you?
Because the thing my daughter told me yesterday I CANNOT believe i am not going up their like a raving luniatic and reeming someone a new you know what! But if i do that then i have stooped to a new low! I could go WAY ABOVE their heads, but then my child will say leave it alone! Funny though they wanted a "good" kids view!!!!
Please dont even get me started on that building we call a school district!
Maybe now that i'm riled up again i might just go back up their!
Add that to how many other classless things they have done before! Me i am voting NO TWICE!!!
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Yes I do have children in the district. YEs I do TALK to them, all the time. In fact I GO up to the school and say my piece if I have to. But I still believe we are a great school. As for things happening in the schools around the country, it can be very upsetting. But that is why YOU need to go up and take charge, not just rant and rave on this blog how bad the halls are. Do something about it!
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In 2011-2012, North Shore student teacher ratio as published is 13. Enrollment at LV for next year is projected to be 2,060. If we divide enrollment by 13, we should only hire:
2,060 / 13 = 158 teachers
We have 227 teachers now, that is 69 teachers too many compared to North Shore current budget.
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69 extra teachers * $107K = $7.4 Million
That partially explains why our per student cost is way higher than most.
Reduce the number of teachers in proportion to enrollment drop. Layoff 10% teachers is only keeping the same students to teacher ratio. It is not a reduction of service level. We have 10%TOO MANY TEACHERS.
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Teaching 3.3 hours daily for 1983 days a year to half full classrooms of 12 kids and making up to $145K a year NOT INCLUDING THEIR PENSIONS. One word comes to mind.........GREEDY!!!
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Well said Lisa, very well said. Except I think the max salaries are too high. Don't forget they get a pension for the rest of their lives and only work PART-TIME now.
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Paul,
The COL in NY is insane. When it comes to new teachers, many are saddled with college loans (especially for their grad school Masters), so I don't think $100,000 cap is too high or $48,000 too low. I don't think it's fair to equate the number of contract teacher hours with the actual number of hours MOST teachers dedicate to their students and classroom prep. Perhaps negotiating per diem contracts would be more logical. I value GOOD, dedicated teachers. I think someone who goes into teaching knowing that the position caps out at $100,000 with pension and benefits, will be more likely to be someone who is a REAL teacher, not a union thug who wants to milk the taxpayers for every penny!
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But do you agree that we need fewer teachers with declining enrollment?
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Absolutely!
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As a teacher (not in LV) and a life long Bayville resident I take offense to the comment stating that I only work part-time. There is more involved to teaching than the instruction time in the classroom. You need to prepare your lessons, grade papers, create engaging task and projects. The list goes on and on. During the school year, I bring home work with me every day as well as weekends. Just because there are 183 school days on the calendar does not mean that I only work 183 days per year. Don't bad mouth the profession because you think we are over paid and under worked. It is far different than you think.
Step in a classroom and try it for yourself before you belittle another profession.
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So you work more than 183 days a year? I'm with ya on the statement that you only "work" 3.3 hours a day as being rather demeaning, which is why I suggested per diem pay, rather than the current contract. You get prep periods. You get lunch. But really, NYC teacher, you're whining to the wrong crowd. Our college graduates can't get jobs and those they are being offered are in the $30-40,000 range as SALARIED positions without pensions or health benefits.
Obama has actually created a post-modern America in 3.5 years. It is incredibly depressing. Everything we USED to be able to rely on, our homes as our nest eggs, a college degree landing you a respectable job, INDEPENDENT YOUNG ADULTS at age 23 - all gone. Ruined by greedy unions and whiny public servants who think everyone in the private sector "owes them" a 6 figure salary.
Everything changes in 2012.
And for the record, now that Dick Clark has died, we can longer ring in the New Year. Way to go Mayans!
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These are great facts being posted. Is it possible to have anyone attend tonights meeting and ask these in front of the new parents who don't know the real truth?
BAYVILLE PTA MEETING, THURSDAY, 4/26, 7:30PM @ BAYVILLE PRIMARY
Dr. Anna Hunderfund and Jack Dolce, will present the budget adopted by the Board of Education. This meeting will explain how our administration worked diligently NOT to pierce the tax cap. It is an important meeting and everyone should be educated on the facts going forward. Immediately after the presentation, we will vote on accepting the budget, as a PTA. Please make every effort to attend.
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Non-PTA members not welcome unless invited guests.
Besides, I have to play with Van Jones on Twitter
Van Jones @VanJones68 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@ObserverNY I said those who want 2kill EPA as "job killer" must account 4 kids who would die from more pollution.Never said "conservatives"
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What?? Who would be so brave to go and show their face to almost every community member that they have belittled and bad-mouthed on this blog? Something tells me that (with the exception of Lisa who is really the only known person posting here) none of you would have the backbone and/or character to do something like that. Easier to hide away in your houses and talk trash under a false name.
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Anon I am sorry but I didn't get your name?
Who has belittled every community member on this blog? That statement is not warranted. The facts presented on this blog stand on their own merit. Irregardless of who or why they are posted. Agree? Facts are facts.
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If you have kids in school and are concerned about retaliation, you wouldn't have said what you just did. Once I even just slighted expressed my concern and my daughter was benched by her coach. Jack Dolce said in public, "where are the No votes". Well, we are more than 1,000+ strong out there.
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Union Thugs REALLY???
REALLY STUPID THING TO SAY.
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Typical leftist selective reading comprehension.
Hey! Got the post card in the mail Save Bayville! Good job!
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=366819443354047&set=a.337876802914978.68050.337085682994090&type=1&ref=nf
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Amy Tansill is nothing but part of the LVCSD propaganda machine. Don't buy a house from her as she tells one side of the numbers. How about the budget? It was 2.7% increase last year without the tax cap and it is proposed to be 3.79% after the tax cap became law.
http://www.theleaderonline.com/2012/April%2025/page%204.html
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Of COURSE this is "the lowest" tax increase. Even Jack Dolce knows he can't get 60% to override the cap.
VOTE NO TWICE! 0% INCREASE!
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I am horrified as well as others that in your unfounded attack on Amy Tansill you would bring in her job and livelihood to raise a family with her husband. The efforts she puts in for all of the children have NOTHING to do with her job. I read this blog sometimes and am horrified by the lack of grace and class but this post takes the cake. And you are wrong! The 2.61% tax levy increase (which is below the tax cap for our district after all formulas) is what we vote on. Maybe you should read the paper. That number has never been said to be the same as the 3.79% budget to budget increase. If you have a problem with the costs involved in the district, write to the state and leave the people who want to educate and provide the best for the children alone. And the last person you should attack is Amy Tansill. She is a good, kind and hard working woman who raises three exemplary children. And no, I am not Amy.
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Dear Horrified,
I just went through the stack of cards of Realtors who have taken the time to preview or show my Bayville house over the past year and I can't seem to find Amy Tansill's name among them. She can't be working that hard. Then again, maybe she can't be bothered with homes listed for under $1M.
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How hard are you working? To sell it that is.
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Here is the Island-wide budget to budget information. We are up there.
http://longisland.newsday.com/templates/simpleDB/?pid=476¤tRecord=51
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according to the link, the official projected per student cost is $36,119.
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http://truthaboutib.com/2012scholarship.html
2012 TAIB IB Essay Scholarship
Attention all high school seniors who attend an International Baccalaureate High School! (Candidate IB High Schools also qualify, ie: Ozark HS, MO, Sag Harbor HS, NY, etc.)
Whether you are an IB student or a non-IB student, TAIB recognizes that the "culture" of IB permeates an entire school. This year, we are looking for the best essay that answers the question:
"WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND A GLOBAL CITIZEN?"
Rules
1. Essay must be a minimum of 1,000 words. No maximum.
2. Deadline is June 30th, 2012
3. Entries should be in .pdf format and sent as an attachment to an e-mail to: info@truthaboutib.com . Please write "Scholarship" in the subject line
4. Entries will be posted to this page and will be voted on by TAIB readers until July 15th. Public opinion will count for 60% of the final decision. The other 40% will be the opinion of TAIB administrators.
5. Be sure to include the name of your school and location so TAIB can verify that it is an IB school.
6. Submission of an entry grants TAIB permission to publish.
7. TAIB will deposit $500 in the winner's student account at the university they will be attending in the fall, on August 1, 2012.
8. Although this scholarship is primarily established for HS seniors, TAIB will accept entries from college students entering their sophomore year who graduated from an IB high school.
The winning essay will clearly define the qualities, rights and responsibilities of American vs. global citizenship. Proper grammar, spelling, factual support and overall composition, not the opinion expressed, will play a major role in determining the winner.
Good luck!
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When you compare other districts of similar size and performance in Nassau County, like East Williston, North Shore, Oyster Bay, Roslyn, and so on, Locust Valley per student cost ranges from 12% to 20% higher. Why? We have the lowest number of student teacher rario. We have way too many teachers.
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Yes, we have way too many teachers and they are paid a premium compared to other districts. We have Kindergarten teachers making $115K a year.
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What other districts have you compared salary with?
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That is based on current enrollment. Enrollment is forecasted to drop next year. . Enrollment has dropped 6% since 2006 and is expected to drop another 2.5% to 2,060 students next year. The new budget will equal $37,170.00 per student.
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Be a responsible parent or young adult, don't let anyone fool you. The world is different since 2008-2009. Read this article from Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/note-to-class-of-2012-more-than-half-of-young-college-graduates-now-jobless-or-underemployed/2012/04/23/gIQAPEnObT_story.html
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Here is asanpshot of cost per student based on Newsdays numbers. Please email savebayville@yahoo.com if you would like the complete list.
Jericho $114,468,464 2.24% $103,569,364 2.20% 2.20% 3,004 $38,105.35
Southampton $59,505,901 1.74% $48,939,928 2.48% 2.48% 1,566 $37,998.66
Locust Valley $76,571,521 3.79% $72,462,021 2.61% 2.68% 2,120 $36,118.64
Hewlett-Woodmere $105,785,736 2.47% $93,781,076 1.91% 1.91% 3,014 $35,098.12
Remsenburg-Speonk $12,348,667 1.45% $11,376,486 3.66% 2.03% 361 $34,206.83
Long Beach $122,151,564 2.96% $92,291,693 3.74% 5.20% 3,608 $33,855.75
East Hampton $62,848,388 -2.43% $44,514,654 3.58% 3.58% 1,858 $33,825.83
Carle Place $46,398,124 1.91% $40,898,551 1.76% 1.85% 1,391 $33,355.95
Island Park $34,583,691 3.25% $30,010,179 1.97% 1.94% 1,040 $33,253.55
Sag Harbor $34,182,256 2.88% $31,546,719 1.94% 2.09% 1,034 $33,058.27
North Shore $90,509,228 1.85% $83,627,190 1.96% 3.49% 2,829 $31,993.36
Roosevelt $85,453,491 1.27% $22,191,173 0.99% 2.17% 2,699 $31,661.17
Great Neck $199,747,079 3.32% $186,767,774 2.49% 2.49% 6,366 $31,377.17
Oyster Bay-East Norwich $51,527,404 2.68% $48,000,409 2.55% 2.55% 1,650 $31,228.73
Southold $27,024,043 2.93% $23,619,323 2.93% 3.11% 867 $31,169.60
Mineola $83,992,180 -0.27% $76,242,180 1.93% 1.93% 2,700 $31,108.21
Roslyn $99,445,327 1.85% $89,170,601 1.76% 1.82% 3,200 $31,076.66
Cold Spring Harbor $59,680,659 2.16% $55,394,917 2.41% 2.41% 1,956 $30,511.58
Port Jefferson $38,076,500 1.93% $32,600,786 2.00% 3.17% 1,250 $30,461.20
East Williston $52,724,693 2.49% $49,385,182 2.60% 3.38% 1,736 $30,371.37
Syosset $198,090,057 2.98% $182,606,009 2.26% 2.26% 6,525 $30,358.63
Oysterponds $5,353,895 -4.85% $4,983,381 2.50% 2.50% 178 $30,078.06
Lawrence $93,155,150 0.00% $80,515,995 2.00% 3.09% 3,112 $29,934.17
Bellmore $31,943,890 1.40% $22,575,146 2.00% 2.76% 1,100 $29,039.90
Merrick $43,287,814 2.23% $35,957,814 2.49% 2.49% 1,513 $28,610.58
Malverne $48,597,767 2.29% $38,581,125 2.44% 2.44% 1,710 $28,419.75
Plainview-Old Bethpage $137,263,959 2.29% $116,179,927 2.49% 3.23% 4,856 $28,266.88
Westhampton Beach $51,785,791 2.84% $26,327,927 2.89% 1.75% 1,838 $28,175.08
East Rockaway $35,601,664 3.74% $27,335,613 2.26% 2.26% 1,286 $27,684.03
Rockville Centre $97,260,488 1.67% $84,210,000 1.99% 2.00% 3,560 $27,320.36
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Here is a clearer version
Schhol Cost / Student
Jericho $38,105.35
Southampton $37,998.66
Locust Valley $36,118.64
Hewlett-Woodmere $35,098.12
Remsenburg-Speonk $34,206.83
Long Beach $33,855.75
East Hampton $33,825.83
Carle Place $33,355.95
Island Park $33,253.55
Sag Harbor $33,058.27
North Shore $31,993.36
Roosevelt $31,661.17
Great Neck $31,377.17
Oyster Bay-East Norwich $31,228.73
Southold $31,169.60
Mineola $31,108.21
Roslyn $31,076.66
Cold Spring Harbor $30,511.58
Port Jefferson $30,461.20
East Williston $30,371.37
Syosset $30,358.63
Oysterponds $30,078.06
Lawrence $29,934.17
Bellmore $29,039.90
Merrick $28,610.58
Malverne $28,419.75
Plainview-Old Bethpage $28,266.88
Westhampton Beach $28,175.08
East Rockaway $27,684.03
Rockville Centre $27,320.36
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SaveBayville,
I took your list and removed Suffolk County Schools. I hope I did not make any mistake. Otherwise Jack Dolce and Amy Tansill will jump on me for making things up.
Jericho $38,105.35
Locust Valley $36,118.64
Hewlett-Woodmere $35,098.12
Long Beach $33,855.75
Carle Place $33,355.95
Island Park $33,253.55
North Shore $31,993.36
Roosevelt $31,661.17
Great Neck $31,377.17
Oyster Bay-East Norwich $31,228.73
Mineola $31,108.21
Roslyn $31,076.66
East Williston $30,371.37
Syosset $30,358.63
Lawrence $29,934.17
Bellmore $29,039.90
Merrick $28,610.58
Malverne $28,419.75
Plainview-Old Bethpage $28,266.88
East Rockaway $27,684.03
Rockville Centre $27,320.36
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It looks like we can divide them in three clusters, high medium and low:
Jericho $38,105.35
Locust Valley $36,118.64
Hewlett-Woodmere $35,098.12
Long Beach $33,855.75
Carle Place $33,355.95
Island Park $33,253.55
North Shore $31,993.36
Roosevelt $31,661.17
Great Neck $31,377.17
Oyster Bay-East Norwich $31,228.73
Mineola $31,108.21
Roslyn $31,076.66
East Williston $30,371.37
Syosset $30,358.63
Lawrence $29,934.17
Bellmore $29,039.90
Merrick $28,610.58
Malverne $28,419.75
Plainview-Old Bethpage $28,266.88
East Rockaway $27,684.03
Rockville Centre $27,320.36
Locust Valley is clearly near the top as the most financially and fiscally mismanaged and most expensive school in Nassau County.
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Island Park $33,253.55???? Holy cow - and that district down't even have a HS - just an elementary and MS! Good thing they've put the IB PYP and MYP on hold!
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Get off Amy Tansill's back. Stop the personal attacks, Lisa didn't like it and felt it was out of place. You might not like her dedication, but no need to attack, STICK to the facts. No, I am not Amy, but I could be Jack! NOt!
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The staff at LV care about themselves first and the kids second. Save your bs for the fools who don't know the truth. The average cost per student on LI is $26K but LV charges $36K. You don't see a problem with ?? I have emptied my kids future colleg funds to pay the school taxes in this district. Save your "it's for the kids" spiel for the cretins who will vote yes.
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Wow. That's a pretty strong statement. I'm sure you know each administrator, teacher, secretary, aide and and monitor personally to be able to so boldly declare something so horrible.
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Don't vote your childs finacial future away:
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Just came back from a long Friday lunch with my sister who lives in North Shore. The mailman came and delivery a nicely done blue postcard from the school about the coming budget vote. The big title is PROPOSED BUDGET IS WITHIN THE CAP ON TAX LEVY. You see, almost every school district has a historic low on tax levy. That is not because they are nice. It is because it is required by law for tax to be within the tax levy. There is nothing to brag about that LV tax is the lowest in 20 years and is within cap. Besides, it is only $51K under the tax cap in a $76M proposed budget. Not even a drop in the bucket in their terminology. It is only when the BUDGET is within tax cap that they can brag about. LV proposed budget is 3.79 - 2.61 = 1.18% OVER THE TAX CAP.
We are not stupid. Don't tell us it is the unfunded mandates, don't tell us that we have to transport private school kids, don't tell us it is special ed, because all the public schools face the same issues. Just tell us why we are #2 in per student cost in Nassau County? Just tell us why our per student cost is going to go up by almost another $1,500 per student per year this time in just one year's time.
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The budget is not over the tax cap as outlined by the state government.
And unfunded mandates, private school books and transportation are all factors in the budget. Maybe we should be grateful that whatever they are doing has not resulted in any cuts to any programs whether they are academic, extracurricular or athletic, unlike North Shore who had to cut 30 positions. And we have fallen under the tax cap number that the state outlines.
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Grateful? We have had a 10% decline in enrollment but we have not had the same adjustment in staffing. You just took my kids college funds out of my pocket and you want me to be grateful? LV budget is over the tax cap %. Can't you read?
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I have taken nothing from you as you don't even know who I am. Try educating yourself before posting false claims and stuff that just isn't true. LV Budget IS NOT over the state tax cap as indicated and outlined and set up by the state. Can you understand that???????? LV has fallen under the tax cap SET BY THE STATE. Whatever exemptions fall outside of the cap HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LV SCHOOL DISTRICT AND ALL TO DO WITH THE STATE WHO HAS SET UP THE GUIDELINES FOR CALCULATING THE TAX CAP. Your claim that it is above the cap is false and really just being done to cloud the truth. Be sure to check on voting day where any school who has gone above the tax cap must indicate so on the voting machines. You will see that on voting day LV won't have that because they have not gone over the tax cap set by the state. Seems to me that your "robbing my kids of their college funds" is a pretty popular argument today here on the blog. I guess the bloggers with multiple personality disorder are back.
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You're correct, Jack. LVCSD has concocted a budget which actually comes in .07% UNDER the absolutely maximum calculable lawful rate of 2.68%. Which foot would you like us to kiss? Especially since LVCSD claimed it needed $2.1M for the Common Core CURRICULUM - oops,make that STANDARDS??? Hmmmm?
Bunch of thieves. VOTE NO TWICE! 0% TAX INCREASE! Figure out how to "struggle by" on $35,000 per student.
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Whoever you are, Jack or Amy, it doesn't matter. Let me spell it out for you so you can read.
LV BUDGET increase is 3.79%, which is A HIGHER NUMBER THAN the tax cap allowed to collect from families set by the State to be 2.68% and you are $51K under by design. You are spending MORE than the tax to be collected if you pass the budget. Any other school district on Long Island that claims that it is "under the tax cap" means their BUDGET is a SMALLER NUMBER THAN the tax cap permitted by law. Get it?
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Paranoia runs high on this blog. If you defend the district it must be a teacher, administrator, the superintendent or the BOE. Sadly, you couldn't be more wrong.
I am not interested in anything but pointing out that Angry Mom is false when claiming the district is going above the tax cap. Perhaps, again, if you had educated yourself as to how each tax cap is devised, you would understand that under the guidelines set out by the state, certain exemptions exist when calculating the tax cap figure. Somewhere on the school website there is a list of other school's caps and I think the formula for how the caps are determined. So, the Angry Mommy is distorting the facts when she said that the tax cap is in violation of what the state permits. It's obviously not. Perhaps Angry Mommy needs a glass of wine to calm down.
Also, I believe the 2.1 million dollars wasn't just for the new curriculum, but for the other mandates like the new teacher evaluation program and the academic assistance program that the schools, by state law, have to put into place. At one of the board meetings they outlined all of this.
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Explanation of the tax cap here and some other stuff:
http://www.empirecenter.org/Special-Reports/2011/11/proptaxcapguide113011.cfm
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2012/02/why_new_yorks_2_percent_proper.html
https://www.capitalregionboces.org/taxlevycap/
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LV BUDGET increase is 3.79%, which is A HIGHER NUMBER THAN the tax cap allowed to collect from families set by the State to be 2.68% and you are $51K under by design. You are spending MORE than the tax to be collected if you pass the budget. Any other school district on Long Island that claims that it is "under the tax cap" means their BUDGET is a SMALLER NUMBER THAN the tax cap permitted by law. Get it?
I am not saying your tax levy is over the tax cap, which is not your call but mandated by law. There is nothing to brag about when you are only $51K less than the tax cap. Everyone has to be under the cap. What I am saying is when other district claims they are below the tax cap, like North Shore, that is when their budget is less than what is allowed to collect - if the budget passes. Maybe you have too many glasses of wine and beyond yourself. Or maybe we are a community with ignorant blogger like you. Or maybe you just play dumb.
Lisa, do you think we should waste more time with this "Anon"?
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LVCSD is taking $500,000 from the Employees Retirement Reserve Fund. It also got an extra $300,000 in State Aid and $100,000 in misc. revenue. I don't see the MTA Payroll Tax credit on the Budget summary .... funny, I could have sworn it was there before ..... but at any rate, LVCSD has "found" approx. $1M to ADD to it budget which does not impact the tax revenue. This is the reason for the differential between the 3.79% and the 2.61.
We're sick and tired of the games and the whining! Remember the moaning and groaning about the MTA Payroll Tax? Or did we all forget about that? Now it's "unfunded mandates". Next year they'll have to replace all the light bulbs with $40 a piece green light bulbs. This is what happens when you let tax and spend Progressives take over your children and your communities!
VOTE NO TWICE! 0% increase!
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There are MANY DISTRICTS where the tax levy is lower than the budget. These districts planned well and were able to use other revenue sources to meet increased expenses. Read the newwday lists.
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And where did most of those "other revenue sources" such as the Employees Retirement Reserve Fund come from in the first place? The money fairy tree? I don't think so.
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Using reserves is legal and smart and implemented by districts like Great Neck and 39 others that built sufficient reserves within the prescribed limits?
Any district that prepared for the tax cap and didn't need to cut resources was thinking ahead.
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You didn't answer the question, Fact Check. Where did the money for those "reserves" come from in the first place?
The CORRECT answer was: The Taxpayers
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Of course reserves are funded from property taxes and state aid. ?????
The point is some districts legally built reserves preparing for the tax cap. That is good financial management. Others didn't and now many must cut programs and stafft to meet the tax cap. That is not good financial management.
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So in other words, LVCSD has over-taxed residents for years to build up a slush fund in order to pay for a surplus of teachers and wasteful programs despite declining enrollment, now that a tax cap has been imposed.
Gotcha.
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As you know,there is no "slush fund," only mandated legal reserves. Like any responsible entity many districts fund reserves to have resources to pay for emergencies, contingencies, and expenses that will occur in the future. It is no different than a responsible family saving.
(reserve) for unexpected events, like a job layoff
or a large unexpected expense. No one is over
taxed, all reserves for school districts must be within a legal limit.
You feel there is an excess of teachers and wasteful programs -- far enough. Others feel differently.
The point is since LV has sufficient legal reserves it can fund the district's current programs and staff if the community supports and votes for the budget. Other districts, even if their community supports and votes for the budget will have to drastically cut resources. That is poor financial planning.
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Wrong, poor financial planning is budgeting $37k per student
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Totally different issue. That is a question of programs and teachers and you like Lisa feel the district is over resourced and programs and teachers should be cut. As I said, fair enough and maybe the community will agree and vote the budget down. Others fell differently. The election will determine how the community at large feels. We will see.
However, having reserves in place is always good financial planning and in this respect LV did an outstanding job. If the community decided to pass the budget LV will not need to cut resources, as will many other districts.
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Please explain how this is "good financial planning" when LVCSD has stuffed its coffers (within the legal limits to a degree, I do recall LVCSD being found to have in excess of the legal limit in one of its "reserves" a couple of years ago), driving up our taxes to where they are NOW?
"It is no different than a responsible family saving(reserve) for unexpected events."
EXCEPT - a public school system is a government entity, not a private, profit making enterprise.
A reporting of LVCSD's available "reserves" is not part of the public budget.
VOTE NO TWICE! 0% TAX INCREASE!
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All entities,whether public or private are expected and should maintain appropriate reserves. That is why the state sets them up and encourages municipalities and school districts to fund them Some don't and wind up getting caught in difficult times..
The reserves do not drive up taxes appreciably and are used to pay for emergencies unexpected events or economic downturns.
What drives taxes up are recurring expenses. You have made it quite clear you believe LV's expenses are too high. Perhaps you are right and the community will vote and decide that issue.
Districts are required to make reserves available if requested. I have the reserve funds for all Nassau districts from the 2011/12 school year.
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Ohhhh, you mean kinda like Social Security where the government collects an "appreciable" amount from our paychecks and is supposed to save it for us when we're 65. But instead, the government squanders it away on Solyndra, or in LVCSD's case, IB.
Thank you for clearing that up. I must have been confused before.
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Look at how pretty this thread is getting with boxes within boxes. I wonder what happens if we keep posting? Will it self-implode?
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Not true, "that any other district... means their Budget is a smaller number than the tax cap"
Newsday shows over 40 districts with budgets over the tax cap, and all these districts coming in with a tax levy under the tax cap.
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Anon stated: "Somewhere on the school website there is a list of other school's caps and I think the formula for how the caps are determined. "
Show us where???
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To quote some other Paul from above, not sure if it's you or not, " stop being a lazy liberal and go look for yourself"
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Don't mis-understand our frustration with a teachers pay as not appreciating teachers. We just believe that theachers should be paid a fair salary based on the days worked and the pension they will get one day. The average income in this area is $75K a year for people who work year round. The average teacher pay in this district is $107K for reduced days and a 50% pension.
It was the school district who threatend the parents that if the budget doesn't pass they may cancel Kindergarten. They didn't say they would cancel Drivers Ed or the IB program. NO, they used our children to scare us.
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Actually the school never threatened the parents with cutting Kindergarten at all. How many meeting did you go to? Oh wait, I'm sure it was NONE. Never once did they mention cutting it but it was brought up by PARENTS at a few meetings about the Kindergarten program and if the school had to have it. Basically kindergarten is not a mandated program in our state. And whether you choose to believe it or not, some people value both the Drivers Ed program and IB.
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People only "value" IB when someone else is paying for it.
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Actually this was mentioned at a board meeting. here is the excerpt from the LV Web Site Feb 2012 Actions, go check out the full transcript.
"Mr. Dolce reviewed the impact of the 2% property tax cap limitation for the 2012-2013 school budget. He explained that the tax levy increase up to the 2% cap would require approval of 50% (plus 1) of the participating voters and, if the tax levy increase was in excess of the cap, an approval rate of 60% (plus 1) would be required. If the budget is defeated twice, the tax levy increase is limited to 0%. He stated that if the current budget is “rolled over” to the next year, there will still be a $3 million budget gap, largely due to new academic mandates and personnel increases due to pension, health care and contractual costs. Mr. Dolce gave an overview of the tax increases for Bayville, Locust Valley and Brookville based on increases of 2, 3 and 4 percent. He also suggested optional reductions such as:
• Increased class size at the Middle School, High School and Elementary grade levels
• Decrease busing to state requirements
• Elimination of Kindergarten and/or an Elementary School
• 8-period day at MS/HS
• Reduce sports budget
Other lower cost options include:
• Reductions in High School electives and extra-curricular activities
• Charge non-profits for facilities use*
• Eliminate late buses
• Eliminate Driver Education*
• Move 6th grade to Elementary level
• Eliminate Continuing Education and Summer Rec Programs*
*Required if budget is defeated
He also reviewed direct costs to parents for activities such as clubs, sports, driver’s education, and private tutoring."
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I spent an hour and a half on the phone this evening with Prof. Irving Ginsberg of Michigan. You think this Board and district is dysfunctional? LVCSD is far from unique. At least we didn't sell the Brookville School to an Islamic Cultural Centre. But I digress. Please watch the Public Comment potion of the following video. Begin at the 2:30:00 mark with the IB student, to be followed by Dr. Ginsberg and two more passionate speakers. I love the lady who goes after the Board about a consultant who was paid $175,000, ya gotta hear this. It could be LVCSD. Just in Michigan.
http://tv-10.pegcentral.com/player.php?video=99a2f4d98c078ae086cbab205d66eae3
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portion, not potion.
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Anon, I guess you don't work at the Primary school. The Asst Principal told me and other parents in attendance that the Kindergarten class is dependant on the budget passing. Her quote, "we'll see if we are going to have a Kindergarten class in September".
So crawl your lyin butt back under the rock you came from. Why do we even have two principals and asst principals for basically what is one school in Bayville.
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Because they don't want to walk up the hill?
Didn't we USED to only have ONE Princessipal?
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Oh that's right, because I support the school I must work there or be a board member! I forgot that's the tactic you are using to distract everyone...too bad you're wrong. What meeting did the assistant principal say this? There hasn't been one meeting I have attended where the board or supt. threatened kindergarten. I was responding to saying "the district" threatened to cut kindergarten.
Let's face it, half day kindergarten is becoming more popular on the island. Many schools have already done it and that started last year. And cutting it would save more money than cutting Drivers Ed.
FYI - There is one principal and one asst. principal in Bayville. There is one principal and one asst. principal in LV. It has been this way for decades.
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I mispoke about the principals, but I was present as well as other when the Asst Principal made the statement threatening Kindergarten cancelation. Funny how you claim to be so plugged in to all the goings on. I guess it safe to say you are a PTA member, maybe even the President. Who else would be foolish enough to support skyrocketing school taxes.
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I guess the close to 1500 people and I who supported the budget last year were foolish enough to vote a fair, reasonable and honest budget. Oh, and I'm sure that it will be close to that many again this year who will be voting for a budget that came in under our state delegated tax cap.
I didn't catch which meeting it was where that comment was made. Maybe your too confused about who is who since you believed there were so many principals and asst. principals. Or maybe you imagined it in your head.....
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Let's see - 2011 May vote:
Proposition No. 1: School District Budget 2011-12: $73,921,062
Yes 1,192
No 1,312
Certificate of Declaration for the Special Budget Re-Vote, showing the following results:
Proposition No. 1: School District Budget 2011-12: $73,776,262
Yes 1,494
No 1,304
You do realize that is the difference of only 95 people in the entire district changing their minds and voting NO this year because they're not better off than they were in 2011, right?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wbBWju8HPG4#!
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Let's keep spreading the word,
STOP THE SCHOOL TAX MADNESS BEFORE IT STOPS YOU!!
The Locust Valley school budget has increased over 68% ($30 MILLION) in the last 10 years. The newly adopted budget of $76,571,521.00 will bring that increase up to 75% ($33 MILLION) if passed. Enrollment has dropped 6% since 2006 and is expected to drop another 2.5% to 2,060 students next year.
The new budget will equal $37,170.00 per student. The average on Long Island is only $26,000.00. per student.
Our Superintendent’s pay has increased 17% ($43,000.00) since she started in 2008. In addition to her $294,000.00 salary last year, her contract guarantees paid life insurance, 24 vacation and an average 32 sick days each year.
Average teachers’ pay is now $107,000.00 a year, and some teachers make up $145,000.00 a year, and still get a raise (step increase) every year.
Home values have dropped another 5% this year. It is a fact that as School taxes go up, the marketable value of your home goes down.
How do you plan to afford college for your children or retire one day if we don’t stop the madness of our tax and spend Board of Education?
VOTE “NO” THIS MAY 15th & JUNE 19th AT THE BAYVILE INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL
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Oh goodie! Jay Mathews' latest Challenge Index List is out! Look at the impact using YOUR taxdollars to force unqualified students to take IB/AP exams has on Jay's vapid List:
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/highschoolchallenge
138 Nationally, 21st in the Northeast! Wowee! What a load of BS! Jack must need a change of underwear after seeing this!
P.S - I will be challenging LVHS's self reported EE rate considering only 41% of those who took AP exams scored a '3' or higher.
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Lisa not a surprise. Have you ever seen our dismal Regents rankings against other LI schools. They are certainly not worthy of our $107K teachers and $35K spending per student. At least we are #2 in spending per student
Does that count for anything?
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Mr. Mathews has been notified that the CORRECT EE rate (which is self-computed/reported by LVHS) should be 60.5%, not 67.4%. Only 485 out of 791 AP/IB exams administered earned passing grades.
http://truthaboutib.com/images/762_LVHS_AP_2011.jpg
http://truthaboutib.com/images/LVHS_IB_2011.pdf
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CORRECTION - 60.8%, not 60.5% - need more coffee
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OMG, another correction - 485 out of 797 (not 791) exams
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Btw, does anyone know the exact size of the graduating Class of 2011? I need that number to cross-check the actual ranking itself.
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Nice graph SaveBayville!
http://truthaboutib.com/images/831_LVCSD_graph.jpg
VOTE NO TWICE! 0% TAX INCREASE!
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The chart is extremely misleading. Virtually all districts had declining enrollment during this period and ALL districts have had rising costs. The result is all districts would graph costs increasing and enrollment decreasing.
Also starting the numbers for enrollment at 2100 and budget dollars at zero give a graphical distortion.
One could graph these numbers to look even worse or much better depending on the beginning points of the metrics and the spacing.
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If the chart started the budget dollars at $45,000, it would look a lot worse!
And just because all of your friends jump off a bridge, does that mean you have to as well?
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What a silly chart. Virtually every product or service has experienced price increases since 2000 and has an upwardly sloping curve.
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Not since 2007 and especially NOT the housing market which school taxes are tied to!
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Wow, that doesn't make much sense. Spending going up as enrollment goes down. Then again that is our school district. Sadly the school district should have cut the budget and the pork. Staying below the cap is deserving of an "F".
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You obviously have never seen an overlaid graph before. The left side of the graph has the units for enrollment and the right side has the budget. You use the numbers on the right side of the graph when looking at the green line and the numbers on the left side of the graph when following the blue line. One more thing, this graph is about our school and our mis-spent funds. $35K per student is something no other school can claim with our high residential to commercial percent. Other schools have no relevance to this data. Stop with the mis-direction. It is NOT working.
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I am quite familiar with a two sided graph. The misleading part is starting the budget numbers at zero to show a greater dip. It could have been started at $45k and spacing the numbers as you did.
Also one could chart the budget increases to show the rate of increase has declined. It seems the biggest increases were before 2008.
AVERAGE BUDGET INCREASE
2000 TO 2003 8.3%
2004 TO 2007 5.7%
2008 TO 2012 3.3%
I am just pointing out facts. I have no horse in this race. I just hate to see gross misrepresentations.
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You can't compare increases from different time periods. For example, a 6% increase on $10,000. sounds extreme when compared to a 3% increase on $50,000.
Not sure what you mean about starting the budget numbers ta zero. The line starts at around 40 million and goes up. The enrollment dips down, but slide yo the left and you will see that you are still above 2,000 students.
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Increases from different periods are always compared. Furthermore, percentages are in most circumstances the fairest comparison.
The obvious example is the Consumer Price Index (CPI) which has been used for decades to compare price increases for different years and months. Currently, the CPI is 3.2% compared with 7.9% in 1978.
The CPI for energy since 2000 is almost 200% or prices have increased 100%., compared with an increase in your school budget of 76%.
It is not where the line stars is that that distorts the graph but having two scales that are not balanced.
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Your argument is inane. The average income has gone down the last 4 years (except for teachers of course). How come school spending hasn't?
Let's not forget:
The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year. Our Superintendent’s made $294,000.00 last year and has had her pay increased 17% ($43,000.00) since she started in 2008. Her contract also guarantees paid life insurance, 24 vacation and an average 32 sick days each year.
The Locust Valley school budget has increased over 30% ($17 MILLION) in the last 6 years. The newly adopted budget of $76,571,521.00 will increase it even further to 35% ($20 MILLION) if passed. Enrollment has dropped 6% since 2006 and is expected to drop another 2.5% to 2,060 students next year. The new budget will equal $37,170.00 per student. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby St. Dominic’s private school charges a year, and the district claims they need more. Is this example of greed and waste something we want out children taught? You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children’s expense.
The average pay for our teachers is $107,000. a year. Teaching has become a part-time job consisting of only 182 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. What’s worse is they only teach 3.3 hours a day as per their contract. A far cry from the same teacher who taught us all day long when we went to school. Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries.
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• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year.
YOU COMPARE THE GOVERNOR'S SALARY TO DR. HUNDERFUND'S TOTAL COMPENSATION TO MISLEAD THE READER. THE GOVERNOR'S COMPENSATION SHOULD INCLUDE ALL BENEFITS. HIS HEALTH CARE, PENSION AND STANDARD BENEFITS RAISE HIS COMPENSATION BY ABOUT 30% AND HE RECEIVES FREE HOUSING IN ALBANY WITH THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION AND AN ARPT. IN NYC. ADDITIONALLY HE HAS FULL TIME ACCESS TO TWO CHAUFFEUR LIMO'S, A HELICOPTER AND A SMALL PLANE AND ON AND ON. HIS TOTAL COMPENSATION IS WELL OVER $300K PROBABLY OVER $400K. did NOT take a raise last year.
Our school's Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and DID take a pay increase last year.
THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS NOT TAKEN ANY FORM OF COMPENSATION INCREASE SINCE SHE ARRIVE IN 2008. HER CONTRACT CAN BE FOILED AND VERIFIED. HER SALARY IS $255K
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $71,752,390.00 and only 2165 students. That equals $33,141.00 for each student in the school system.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE TRANSPORTATION AND BOOKS FOR ABOUT 800 PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENTS. INCLUDING THESE EXPENSES OBVIOUSLY DRIVES THE COST PER STUDENT DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE EXPENSE FOR CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES.
That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life's savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children's expense.
THIS IS A TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION. THE TWO NEAREST PRIVATE SCHOOLS LIST THE TUITION FOR THEIR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AT OVER $27K, AND THAT IS JUST THE BEGINNING. ALL FAMILIES ARE EXPECTED TO SUPPORT THE NUMEROUS FUND RAISERS. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE DONATION, ANNUITIES AND FOUNDATIONS CONTRIBUTE TO THE SCHOOL EXPENSES. CATHOLIC SCHOOLS RAISE MONEY THE SAME WAY. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE SCHOOLS DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR VERY EXPENSIVE UNPRODUCTIVE STATE MANDATES LIKE THE WICKS CONSTRUCTION LAW AND HUNDREDS OF OTHERS.
Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
THIS IS A JOKE. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT AN ACTUARY OR ACCOUNTANT OR PENSION FUND MANAGER. A LARGE PERCENT OF PENSION FUND PAYMENTS COME FROM INVESTMENTS OVER THE YEARS. THE PRIVATE MARKET HAS SOME PENSION PLANS, BUT MAINLY 401K PLANS TO PAY RETIREES. IT ALSO HAS SOMETHING THE PUBLIC SECTOR DOES NOT PROFIT SHARING. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE PENSION SYSTEM FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES (AND I DON'T) YOU SHOULD ADDRESS YOU OUTRAGE TO ALBANY WHICH WROTE THE PENSION SYSTEM INTO THE STATE CONSTITUTION
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I see the budget meeting is over Jack. I provide facts and you provide hysteria You can verify Hunderfunds income increase at www.seethrougny.net
Note I did say she got a raise.
I am comparing income, something you get to keep and put in your bank. The Governor doesn't financially benefit from his helicopter.
Pensions are guaranteed a fixed rate and if the market doesn't return that rate the taxpayer must make up the difference.
You think that $37K per student is warranted when the average school districts spends $26K.
Have you ever seen our students Regents scores? They stink!!
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As you can see, my name is John Lennon. Who is this Jack person?
The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year.
YOU COMPARE THE GOVERNOR'S SALARY TO DR. HUNDERFUND'S TOTAL COMPENSATION TO MISLEAD THE READER. THE GOVERNOR'S COMPENSATION SHOULD INCLUDE ALL BENEFITS. HIS HEALTH CARE, PENSION AND STANDARD BENEFITS RAISE HIS COMPENSATION BY ABOUT 30% AND HE RECEIVES FREE HOUSING IN ALBANY WITH THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION AND AN ARPT. IN NYC. ADDITIONALLY HE HAS FULL TIME ACCESS TO TWO CHAUFFEUR LIMO'S, A HELICOPTER AND A SMALL PLANE AND ON AND ON. HIS TOTAL COMPENSATION IS WELL OVER $300K PROBABLY OVER $400K. did NOT take a raise last year.
Our school's Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and DID take a pay increase last year.
THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS NOT TAKEN ANY FORM OF COMPENSATION INCREASE SINCE SHE ARRIVE IN 2008. HER CONTRACT CAN BE FOILED AND VERIFIED. HER SALARY IS $255K
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $71,752,390.00 and only 2165 students. That equals $33,141.00 for each student in the school system.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE TRANSPORTATION AND BOOKS FOR ABOUT 800 PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENTS. INCLUDING THESE EXPENSES OBVIOUSLY DRIVES THE COST PER STUDENT DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE EXPENSE FOR CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES.
That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life's savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children's expense.
THIS IS A TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION. THE TWO NEAREST PRIVATE SCHOOLS LIST THE TUITION FOR THEIR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AT OVER $27K, AND THAT IS JUST THE BEGINNING. ALL FAMILIES ARE EXPECTED TO SUPPORT THE NUMEROUS FUND RAISERS. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE DONATION, ANNUITIES AND FOUNDATIONS CONTRIBUTE TO THE SCHOOL EXPENSES. CATHOLIC SCHOOLS RAISE MONEY THE SAME WAY. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE SCHOOLS DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR VERY EXPENSIVE UNPRODUCTIVE STATE MANDATES LIKE THE WICKS CONSTRUCTION LAW AND HUNDREDS OF OTHERS.
Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
THIS IS A JOKE. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT AN ACTUARY OR ACCOUNTANT OR PENSION FUND MANAGER. A LARGE PERCENT OF PENSION FUND PAYMENTS COME FROM INVESTMENTS OVER THE YEARS. THE PRIVATE MARKET HAS SOME PENSION PLANS, BUT MAINLY 401K PLANS TO PAY RETIREES. IT ALSO HAS SOMETHING THE PUBLIC SECTOR DOES NOT PROFIT SHARING. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE PENSION SYSTEM FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES (AND I DON'T) YOU SHOULD ADDRESS YOU OUTRAGE TO ALBANY WHICH WROTE THE PENSION SYSTEM INTO THE STATE CONSTITUTION
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Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
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Ahh - Lennon's Communist Manifesto. How appropriate!
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Geez, why does he have to yell at us? And why use John Lennon's name?
You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right, all right
You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
For people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right, all right
Ah
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...
You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right, all right
All right, all right, all right
All right, all right, all right
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Hey, did you know that school districts have no control over the pensions? from what I understand,. it is State Mandated and that School Districts have to pay into teacher Pensions. So if we want to be mad at someone, be mad at the State, and your local representatives for NOT changing things. YOu know why? because their benefits and pensions are tied to the same laws!!!
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Your point is increases from different periods cannot be compared. False
I demonstrated increases from different periods are always compared .
I used the CPI to demonstrate comparisons.
Whenever your point is rebuffed you just change the point.
You write, sound and act just like Lisa.
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Let me make this simple for you Jack.
• “Between June 2009 and June 2011, inflation-adjusted median household income fell 6.7 percent. During that same period our school budgets went up 6%. What does our school district not understand?
Thanks for the compiment but I am still not as knowledgable as Lisa, but I am getting there.
This is the last comment you are entitled too.
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Although towards the end I wanted to beat him with a drumstick, I must give credit to Paul where credit is due:
When I find myself in times of trouble
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
And in my hour of darkness
She is standing right in front of me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
Let it be, let it be
Let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
And when the broken hearted people
Living in the world agree
There will be an answer, let it be
For though they may be parted
There is still a chance that they will see
There will be an answer, let it be
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Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
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Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
And when the night is cloudy
There is still a light that shines on me
Shine on until tomorrow, let it be
I wake up to the sound of music,
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
Yeah let it be, let it be
Let it be, yeah let it be
Oh there will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be
Let it be, yeah let it be
Oh there will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be
Ah let it be, yeah let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
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I like this
ohn Lennon wrote:
As you can see, my name is John Lennon. Who is this Jack person?
The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year.
YOU COMPARE THE GOVERNOR'S SALARY TO DR. HUNDERFUND'S TOTAL COMPENSATION TO MISLEAD THE READER. THE GOVERNOR'S COMPENSATION SHOULD INCLUDE ALL BENEFITS. HIS HEALTH CARE, PENSION AND STANDARD BENEFITS RAISE HIS COMPENSATION BY ABOUT 30% AND HE RECEIVES FREE HOUSING IN ALBANY WITH THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION AND AN ARPT. IN NYC. ADDITIONALLY HE HAS FULL TIME ACCESS TO TWO CHAUFFEUR LIMO'S, A HELICOPTER AND A SMALL PLANE AND ON AND ON. HIS TOTAL COMPENSATION IS WELL OVER $300K PROBABLY OVER $400K. did NOT take a raise last year.
Our school's Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and DID take a pay increase last year.
THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS NOT TAKEN ANY FORM OF COMPENSATION INCREASE SINCE SHE ARRIVE IN 2008. HER CONTRACT CAN BE FOILED AND VERIFIED. HER SALARY IS $255K
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $71,752,390.00 and only 2165 students. That equals $33,141.00 for each student in the school system.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE TRANSPORTATION AND BOOKS FOR ABOUT 800 PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENTS. INCLUDING THESE EXPENSES OBVIOUSLY DRIVES THE COST PER STUDENT DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE EXPENSE FOR CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES.
That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life's savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children's expense.
THIS IS A TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION. THE TWO NEAREST PRIVATE SCHOOLS LIST THE TUITION FOR THEIR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AT OVER $27K, AND THAT IS JUST THE BEGINNING. ALL FAMILIES ARE EXPECTED TO SUPPORT THE NUMEROUS FUND RAISERS. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE DONATION, ANNUITIES AND FOUNDATIONS CONTRIBUTE TO THE SCHOOL EXPENSES. CATHOLIC SCHOOLS RAISE MONEY THE SAME WAY. ADDITIONALLY, PRIVATE SCHOOLS DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR VERY EXPENSIVE UNPRODUCTIVE STATE MANDATES LIKE THE WICKS CONSTRUCTION LAW AND HUNDREDS OF OTHERS.
Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
THIS IS A JOKE. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT AN ACTUARY OR ACCOUNTANT OR PENSION FUND MANAGER. A LARGE PERCENT OF PENSION FUND PAYMENTS COME FROM INVESTMENTS OVER THE YEARS. THE PRIVATE MARKET HAS SOME PENSION PLANS, BUT MAINLY 401K PLANS TO PAY RETIREES. IT ALSO HAS SOMETHING THE PUBLIC SECTOR DOES NOT PROFIT SHARING. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE PENSION SYSTEM FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES (AND I DON'T) YOU SHOULD ADDRESS YOU OUTRAGE TO ALBANY WHICH WROTE THE PENSION SYSTEM INTO THE STATE CONSTITUTION
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Tuesday, May 01, 2012
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Post something else please, this is getting boring.
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I see LVCSD's MoveOn.org, oh sorry, I mean Change.org's petition has gotten a whopping 144 signatures! WOWEE! Are you not embarrassed LVCSD? Two weeks before the vote and that's all the "support" you can muster?
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Yes, the other 60 teachers will sign it when they get back from vacation.
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According to the Locust Valley School District website (since removed)
“if the budget is defeated twice it will trigger an automatic reduction in spending …………., possibly from non-required areas, including class size, transportation, academic programs, clubs, athletics, kindergarten and others.”
SADLY NONE OF THE ITEMS LISTED MENTION RE-NEGOTIATING THE TEACHERS, AND ADMINISTATORS SALARIES; ONLY SPENDING THAT AFFECTS OUR CHILDREN. WHY DO OUR CHILDREN’S NEEDS COMING AFTER THE STAFFS?
• Home values dropped another 5% from last year, yet our teachers received their minimum annual 3.9% pay increase.
• Between June 2009 and June 2011, inflation-adjusted median household income fell 6.7 percent. During that same period our school budgets went up 6%. What does our school district not understand?
• The average school district on long island plans on spending $25,500.00 per student next year. Locust Valley plans on increasing the budget 3.8% and spending $36,118.00 per student. Only one school in Nassau County spends more.
• The average annual tuition for St. Dominick’s in Oyster Bay is $8,400.00 a year. Why are we spending 4X as much?
• Our teachers make an average of $107,000.00 a year not including health benefits and future pensions. We have Kindergarten teachers making over $115,000.00 and GYM teachers making over $140,000.00 a year. WHY??
• Our schools Superintendent made $294,000.00 last year, while the Governor of NY only made $179,000.00 a year.
• Our school district considers itself a premier school. Touting the high graduation rates with Regents diplomas and the number of children going to college. These are simply junk statistics, a closer look reveals Regents scores that are anything but “premier” and hardly comparable to the money spent educating our children. Sadly today anyone with a pulse and the money can attend college.
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You sound quite mystified. I have an idea. Let's go on a tour of Albany and a budget meeting. I'll drive! Pardon the acid cubes in the cup-holders.
Roll up, roll up for the magical mystery tour, step right this way.
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Roll up TO MAKE A RESERVATION, roll up for the mystery tour.
The magical mystery tour is waiting to take you away,
Waiting to take you away.
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Roll up TO MAKE A RESERVATION, roll up for the mystery tour.
The magical mystery tour is coming to take you away,
Coming to take you away.
The magical mystery tour is dying to take you away,
Dying to take you away, take you today.
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More facts for your viewing entertainment. Email us at savebayville@yahoo.com for more info.
Grade 4 English test scores: (Bayville Intermediate) 41 out of 362
(Locust Valley Intermediate)119 out of 362
Grade 8 English test scores: Locust Valley is not there
Grade 4 Math test scores: (Bayville Intermediate) 61 out of 361
(Locust Valley Intermediate) 285 out of 361
Grade 8 Math test scores: Locust Valley not there
Math A Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 35 out of 112
Math B Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 31 out of 115
Geometry Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 39 out of 86
Integrated Algebra Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 139 out of 225
English Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 22 out of 115
U.S. History and Government Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 6 out of 115
Global History and Geography Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 30 out of 115
Physics Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 85 out of 111
Living Environment Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 97 out of 152
Earth Science Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 88 out of 199
Chemistry Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 32 out of 112
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I've never seen test scores posted like that before. Could you please explain?
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Glady, it is our ranking on standarized tests against the other schools on LI. We basically fall into the 33% percentile. If we had to get a grade it would be a D+ or 67%
Subject School Ranking Out Of Percentile
Grade 4 English Bayville Intermediate 41 362 11%
Grade 4 English Locust Valley Intermediate 119 362 33%
Grade 8 English Locust Valley is not there 0 362 0%
Grade 4 Math Bayville Intermediate 61 361 17%
Grade 4 Math Locust Valley Intermediate 285 361 79%
Grade 8 Math Locust Valley not there 0 362 0%
Math A Regent Locust Valley High School 35 112 31%
Math B Regent Locust Valley High School 31 115 27%
Geometry Regent Locust Valley High School 39 86 45%
Integrated Algebra Regent Locust Valley High School 139 225 62%
English Regent Locust Valley High School 22 115 19%
U.S. History and Government Regent Locust Valley High School 6 115 5%
Global History and Geography Regent Locust Valley High School 30 115 26%
Physics Regent Locust Valley High School 85 111 77%
Living Environment Regent Locust Valley High School 97 152 64%
Earth Science Regent Locust Valley High School 88 199 44%
Chemistry Regent Locust Valley High School 32 112 29%
Average Ranking 33%
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It sounds like you feel the kids should attend school for a longer period of time. That reminds me of a song:
Ooh I need your love babe,
Guess you know it's true.
Hope you need my love babe,
Just like I need you,Ooo.
Hold me, love me, hold me, love me.
I ain't got nothin' but love babe,
Eight days a week.
Love you ev'ry day girl,
Always on my mind.
One thing I can say girl,
Love you all the time,ooh
Hold me, love me, hold me, love me.
I ain't got nothin' but love girl,
Eight days a week.
Eight days a week
I love you.
Eight days a week
Is not enough to show I care.
Ooh I need your love babe,
Guess you know it's true.
Hope you need my love babe,
Just like I need you.
Hold me, love me, hold me, love me.
I ain't got nothin' but love babe,
Eight days a week.
Eight days a week
I love you.
Eight days a week
Is not enough to show I care.
Love you ev'ry day girl,
Always on my mind.
One thing I can say girl,
Love you all the time.
Hold me, love me, hold me, love me.
I ain't got nothin' but love babe,
Eight days a week,
Eight days a week,
Eight days a week.
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Explain this please. what do the numbers represent? children passing, getting a 1,2,3,or 4 ? It's very easy to post percents that are low and try to use it for an impact, but if you can't explain your numbers, the are of no value. NOt to mention that data can be skewed to work in someone's favor.
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@ Alex,
Looks like those 60 teachers are still out on vacation, the count on the Stop Mandate Madness petition seems stuck at 144.
VOTE NO TWICE! 0% TAX INCREASE!
Figure out a way to STRUGGLE BY on $35,000 a student, LVCSD!
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Did anyone attend last nights budget meeting? I heard we missed a lovely slideshow of the class trip to Denmark.
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Yes a nice liberal presentation glad the kids had fun on our $
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This is what happens in IB districts where they don't have me FOILing annual IB results:
http://wtvr.com/2012/05/02/richmond-public-schools-admits-overstating-number-of-advanced-diplomas/
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Not really! You posted you FOILed LV's results and they had 20 % of the graduating class earn the prestigious IB Diploma.
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Really, Anon? You're going to make me do math this early in the morning to disprove your outrageous exaggerated claim?
Based on enrollment figures reported by NYS Report Cards:
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/schools.php?district=800000048920&year=2007
2005-2006 (1st IB Class) 173 students/24 IB Diplomas = 13.8%
06-07 - 149 students/14 IBDP = 9.4%
07-08 - 171 students/20 IBDP = 11.7%
08-09 - 197 students/19 IBDP = 9.6%
09-10 - 198 students/29 IBDP = 14.6%
10-11 - 169 students/32 IBDP = 18.9%
You see, Anon, despite eliminating all other choices for LVCSD students and forcing them into IB, as we look at the results for SIX graduating classes, not a single one ever reached the 20% mark you so obnoxiously boast of.
http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/iblocustvalleyny.html
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6 year average: 1057 students/138 IBDP = 13%
You don't get to cherry-pick one year and round UP.
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On what merits do you consider a UNESCO backed brain washing program "prestigious"?
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Those are facts you can't argue with. Then again the school supporters never debate a real topic. They simply go off on a tangent and mis-direct the topic.
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VOTE NO TWICE! 0% TAX INCREASE! HOLD LVCSD ACCOUNTABLE for $35,000 per student spending!
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Agreed Vote NO to the 3.8% budget increase. This is the highest increase in the last 4 years. And don't forget how they tried to use our children against us:
According to the Locust Valley School District website (since removed)
“if the budget is defeated twice it will trigger an automatic reduction in spending ,,,,., possibly from non-required
areas, including class size, transportation, academic programs, clubs, athletics, kindergarten and others.”
SADLY NONE OF THE ITEMS LISTED MENTION RE-NEGOTIATING THE TEACHERS, AND ADMINISTATORS SALARIES;
ONLY SPENDING THAT AFFECTS OUR CHILDREN. WHY DO OUR CHILDREN’S NEEDS COMING AFTER THE STAFFS?
• Home values dropped another 5% from last year, yet our teachers received their minimum annual 3.9% pay increase.
• Between June 2009 and June 2011, inflation-adjusted median household income fell 6.7 percent. During that same
period our school budgets went up 6%. What does our school district not understand?
• The average school district on long island plans on spending $25,500.00 per student next year. Locust Valley plans on
increasing the budget 3.8% and spending $36,118.00 per student. Only one school in Nassau County spends more.
• The average annual tuition for St. Dominick’s in Oyster Bay is $8,400.00 a year. Why are we spending 4X as much?
• Our teachers make an average of $107,000.00 a year not including health benefits and future pensions. We have
Kindergarten teachers making over $115,000.00 and GYM teachers making over $140,000.00 a year. WHY??
• Our schools Superintendent made $294,000.00 last year, while the Governor of NY only made $179,000.00 a year.
• Our school district considers itself a premier school. Touting the high graduation rates with Regents diplomas and the
number of children going to college. These are simply junk statistics, a closer look reveals Regents scores that are
anything but “premier” and hardly comparable to the money spent educating our children. Sadly today anyone with a
pulse and the money can attend college.
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If you information is to have any credibility you need to source each piece of information.
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1-LVCSD rated by the prestigious Washington Post survey , an unbiased third party, in the top 1/2 of 1%of high schools in the country.
2- 99% Regents Graduation Rate #2 on LI
3 -78% Advanced Graduation Regents Rate (top 8%) on LI
4- Top performance on state assessments tests.
5- 2.61% Tx levy increase, lowest in 20 years
6- 2.1% tax levy is under the NYS Tax cap.
7- Superintendent has received no salary increase since she was hired in 2008.
8- Ninth lowest tax assessment rate of seventy- eight taxing districts in Nassau.
9- Declining budget 8 of the last 9 years
10- 82% of graduates take at least one college level class, up
11- 53% take three or more college level classes.
12- 100%of varsity team are scholar athlete teams (at least 90% team average). One of only five districts on LI.
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Adding 15 points to the GPA for an IB class wouldn't have any influence on that "scholar athlete" 90% average, would it? Nooooooo, no GPA inflation at LVHS!
Stop being such a bloviating knucklehead, Anon. Really, people are sick and tired of your phony stats.
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2. If our spending it #2 in the county how come we aren't
3. #2 in Advance Graduation Regents.
4. Where are your stats for top performance on state assessment tests?
5. 2.61% may be the lowest levy in 20 years but why any increase with the declining enrollment?
6. 2.61 not 2.1% which is not something to be proud of in any case because that's only 50K from the max of 2.68% and they took if from the reserves which we already paid for. Is they didn't use the reserves (which is our tax money) they would be way over the cap and face a possible defeat without the 60%+1 they are so fond of mentioning.
7. Maybe not but the base salary is way too high to start with and the added incentives certainly increase her wealth which is the bottom line measurement.
8. Should be the lowest or second lowest as we spend the second most per student.
9. Really please explain this one.
10. Nice job
11. Also a nice job
12. Nice job but I wonder if the students were graded as anonymous if this would still be the case.
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None of it is factual. You can see that the Supt has received more in income this year than when she started, www.seethroughny.net
Budgets have always gone up. This year it will be higher than in the last 4 years.
YEAR BUDGET Enrollment
2001/2002 $43,798,552 2,169
2002/2003 $46,678,052 2,231 6.6%
2003/2004 $51,080,819 2,278 9.4%
2004/2005 $54,195,726 2,300 6.1%
2005/2006 $57,393,648 2,280 5.9%
2006/2007 $60,285,059 2,249 5.0%
2007/2008 $63,810,750 2,278 5.8%
2008/2009 $67,768,376 2,262 6.2%
2009/2010 $69,768,376 2,233 3.0%
2010/2011 $71,835,590 2,167 3.0%
2011/2012 $73,776,262 2,120 2.7%
2012/2013 $76,571,521 2,060 3.8%
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It's all Accurate
Anon wrote:
1-LVCSD rated by the prestigious Washington Post survey , an unbiased third party, in the top 1/2 of 1%of high schools in the country.
2- 99% Regents Graduation Rate #2 on LI
3 -78% Advanced Graduation Regents Rate (top 8%) on LI
4- Top performance on state assessments tests.
5- 2.61% Tx levy increase, lowest in 20 years
6- 2.1% tax levy is under the NYS Tax cap.
7- Superintendent has received no salary increase since she was hired in 2008.
8- Ninth lowest tax assessment rate of seventy- eight taxing districts in Nassau.
9- Declining budget 8 of the last 9 years
10- 82% of graduates take at least one college level class, up
11- 53% take three or more college level classes.
12- 100%of varsity team are scholar athlete teams (at least 90% team average). One of only five districts on LI.
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Clearly Anon does not understand the meaning of the word: DECLINE
http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/decline_2
1 [intransitive] (rather formal) to become smaller, fewer, weaker, etc
Support for the party continues to decline.
The number of tourists to the resort declined by 10% last year.
Her health was declining rapidly.
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Yes, my mistake. Meant to say declining budget percent.
Of course nothing like your paranoid, frantic mistake yesterday morning when you linked a YEAR OLD STUDY from the Washington Post thinking it was just released. Wake up and smell the roses. Please try and stay current.
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Oh dear, Anon. What year is it now? (this is a question asked of brain injury patients to determine if they are in full possession of their faculties) Let me help you out. This year is 2012. The students are currently sitting their AP and IB exams for 2012, aren't they Anon? So the link I provided, which YOU seem to think was a "paranoid, frantic mistake of a YEAR OLD STUDY" was in FACT a current report on 2011 results.
As far as "unbiased", puhleeze, how many times do I have to factually point out Jay Mathews' personal financial gain from endorsing IB?
Now go write "I am an idiot" 10x and bring me a shrubbery.
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Tax Levy increases:
The trend is quite clear. To the point that this year's tax levy is less than Consumer Price Index 3.2%,
2003/04 -- 9.82%
2006/07 -- 4.87%
2009/10 -- 4.03%
2012/13 -- 2.61% AND NO PROGRAM CUTS.
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Really Anon, more mis-direction. The budget is increasing 3.8%, that is more than the CPI.
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These are facts:
2001/2002 $43,798,552 2,169
2002/2003 $46,678,052 2,231 6.6%
2003/2004 $51,080,819 2,278 9.4%
2004/2005 $54,195,726 2,300 6.1%
2005/2006 $57,393,648 2,280 5.9%
2006/2007 $60,285,059 2,249 5.0%
2007/2008 $63,810,750 2,278 5.8%
2008/2009 $67,768,376 2,262 6.2%
2009/2010 $69,768,376 2,233 3.0%
2010/2011 $71,835,590 2,167 3.0%
2011/2012 $73,776,262 2,120 2.7%
2012/2013 $76,571,521 2,060 3.8%
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These are facts
Anon wrote:
Tax Levy increases:
The trend is quite clear. To the point that this year's tax levy is less than Consumer Price Index 3.2%,
2003/04 -- 9.82%
2006/07 -- 4.87%
2009/10 -- 4.03%
2012/13 -- 2.61% AND NO PROGRAM CUTS.
1-LVCSD rated by the prestigious Washington Post survey , an unbiased third party, in the top 1/2 of 1%of high schools in the country.
2- 99% Regents Graduation Rate #2 on LI
3 -78% Advanced Graduation Regents Rate (top 8%) on LI
4- Top performance on state assessments tests.
5- 2.61% Tx levy increase, lowest in 20 years
6- 2.1% tax levy is under the NYS Tax cap.
7- Superintendent has received no salary increase since she was hired in 2008.
8- Ninth lowest tax assessment rate of seventy- eight taxing districts in Nassau.
9- Declining budget 8 of the last 9 years
10- 82% of graduates take at least one college level class, up
11- 53% take three or more college level classes.
12- 100%of varsity team are scholar athlete teams (at least 90% team average). One of only five districts on LI.
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*YAWN*
VOTE NO TWICE! 0% TAX INCREASE! HOLD LVCSD ACCOUNTABLE FOR SPENDING $35,000 PER STUDENT! PUT THE CHECK REGISTRY ONLINE! PUT THE BOARD MINUTES ONLINE AND ON TIME! DEMAND TRANSPARENCY! VOTE NO TWICE!
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YAAWWWWNNNNNNNNN
Go harass a new school
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Why don't you and take some teacher's with you. LV needs to shed teachers.
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Anaon, why don't you go work for another school district instead of bilking us. Lisa is a taxpayer in this town like myself and we pay your salary. Don't give me the bs that you don't work for the district. Anyone who supports raising the budget another 3.8% during this recession is either an employee or an idiot.
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Paranoid much? Your schtick about budget supporters being employed by the district is getting old and has no merit/credibility whatsoever. The budget is below the tax cap and cuts no programs for the kids. We have a great school that we should be proud of. Who the hell would buy a house here reading this blog?
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No one because they would see how the district keeps wasting our tax dollars and asking for more to support their habit of spend, spend, spend. How about some real cuts....
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Lisa, you really have lost it! This study is a year old. It was released in May 2011 and covers the 2010 results. Why are you so distressed and unhinged. It merely shows LV to be among the best high schools in the country.
I think dementia has set in. Well, based on your prior posts, I am not surprised.
Now, please take your meds.and calm down.
Lisa wrote:
Oh goodie! Jay Mathews' latest Challenge Index List is out! Look at the impact using YOUR taxdollars to force unqualified students to take IB/AP exams has on Jay's vapid List:
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/highschoolchallenge
138 Nationally, 21st in the Northeast! Wowee! What a load of BS! Jack must need a change of underwear after seeing this!
P.S - I will be challenging LVHS's self reported EE rate considering only 41% of those who took AP exams scored a '3' or higher.
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Anon,
Oh dear. Doubling down on your idiocy? Seriously? You're going to pick a fight with me over the DATE of Jay Mathews' Challenge Index? You think I didn't go back and double-check your idiotic attack before I responded?
YOU ARE WRONG! Click on the link to the Challenge Index in the lefthand column of TODAY'S Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/class-struggle
It is the CURRENT (2012) Challenge Index reporting the 2011 AP/IB exam participation. Even a 5 year old can understand that you can't report on something that hasn't happened yet!
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/highschoolchallenge/schools/2011/list/northeast-schools/locust-valley-locust-valley-ny/
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Uh oh. Mea Culpa. I see in the body of the text that Jay refers to 2010. Hmmm. I guess his stupid Challenge Index isn't out yet for 2012 (hence 2011).
You were right, Anon. WAPO is advertising YEAR OLD information. You see? I can admit when I am wrong.
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This is a disgrace. You insult and belittle and nane call till it is obvious that you have been lying, and then you a tepid half hearted semi-apology.
You are now so full of lies you cannot remember what you said or did. You don't even remember the lies when you analyzed this survey a year ago.
One cannot believe a word you post and thirs is just the latest example. Insisting this is a new study, how laughable. You are paranoid, my dear is about the nicest thing that can be said of your actions.
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Hey Anonymous,
FU! When I click on a CURRENT link on WAPO and it says the national results are for 2011, I mistakenly read that to mean the results were for 2011. I am NOT a liar and I am NOT your "my dear" you misogynist pig. Unlike you, Anonymous coward, I sign my name to my posts and can admit I made an actual mistake.
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joe wrote:
Actually this was mentioned at a board meeting. here is the excerpt from the LV Web Site Feb 2012 Actions, go check out the full transcript.
"Mr. Dolce reviewed the impact of the 2% property tax cap limitation for the 2012-2013 school budget. He explained that the tax levy increase up to the 2% cap would require approval of 50% (plus 1) of the participating voters and, if the tax levy increase was in excess of the cap, an approval rate of 60% (plus 1) would be required. If the budget is defeated twice, the tax levy increase is limited to 0%. He stated that if the current budget is “rolled over” to the next year, there will still be a $3 million budget gap, largely due to new academic mandates and personnel increases due to pension, health care and contractual costs. Mr. Dolce gave an overview of the tax increases for Bayville, Locust Valley and Brookville based on increases of 2, 3 and 4 percent. He also suggested optional reductions such as:
• Increased class size at the Middle School, High School and Elementary grade levels
• Decrease busing to state requirements
• Elimination of Kindergarten and/or an Elementary School
• 8-period day at MS/HS
• Reduce sports budget
Other lower cost options include:
• Reductions in High School electives and extra-curricular activities
• Charge non-profits for facilities use*
• Eliminate late buses
• Eliminate Driver Education*
• Move 6th grade to Elementary level
• Eliminate Continuing Education and Summer Rec Programs*
*Required if budget is defeated
He also reviewed direct costs to parents for activities such as clubs, sports, driver’s education, and private tutoring."
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You're right I think the high school taxes and the nitwits who support spending more would scare off most smart buyers. They would rather buy in districts where they monthly payment builds equity and not the teachers pensions.
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Anon, you may want to consider the English as a second language course. You are very close to making sense.
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Still stuck at 144 .... LOL!
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/parents/advocate_for_mandate_relief
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teachers police fireman. who needs them??
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Our firemen are volunteers and I contribute voluntarily to their fundraising campaign. As to the NCPD, it makes my blood boil every time I see them parked 3 abreast down at the beach. Look at your general tax bill - the bulk of it goes to the police.
Unions. Who needs 'em?
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Chase, I think you posted on the wrong thread. This thread is about the school district. Let's stay focused class:
STOP THE SCHOOL TAX MADNESS BEFORE IT STOPS YOU!!
The 2012/2013 budget of $76,571,521.00 equals a 3.8% increase NOT 2.61%. This is the highest budget increase in 4 years. The 2.61% tax levy advertised by the school district is based on borrowing money and potential state aid.
The school budget has increased over 68% ($30 MILLION) in the last 10 years.
Between June 2009 and June 2011, inflation-adjusted median household income fell 6.7 percent. During that same period our school budgets went up 6%.
The new school budget equals $37,170.00 per student. The average school budget on Long Island is only $26,000.00 per student. St. Dom’s charges $8,400.
Our Superintendent’s $294,000.00 pay last year was 17% ($43,000.00) more than when she started in 2008.
Average teachers’ pay is $107,000.00 a year not including health benefits and future pensions. We have GYM teachers making over $140,000.00 a year.
Home values have dropped another 5% this year. It is a fact that as School taxes go up, the marketable value of your home goes down.
VOTE “NO” THIS MAY 15th & JUNE 19th AT THE BAYVILLE INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL
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Yawwwnnnn! You must have amnesia because you've posted this before. It's old and tired.
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The truth never gets repetetive.
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Marketing Power defines effective frequency as “An advertiser's determination of the optimum number of exposure opportunities required to effectively convey the advertising message to the desired audience or target market."
SaveBayville knows the desired audience, the taxpayers, need to see these outrageous numbers over and over again to negate the district's fearmongering and make the right decision on May15th which is VOTE NO.
Good job, SaveBayville! Keep up the good work.
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You can A+ Lisa.
Anon....you get a D, but keep studying. Here is your lesson for the night.
THE 2012/2013 BUDGET OF $76,571,521.00 EQUALS A 3.8% INCREASE NOT 2.61%. THE 2.61% TAX LEVY ADVERTISED BY THE DISTRICT IS BASED ON RAIDING MONEY FROM OUR SCHOOL’S EMERGENCY RESERVES. THIS IS THE HIGHEST BUDGET INCREASE IN 4 YEARS. THE PROPOSED SCHOOL BUDGET WILL EQUAL $37,170.00 PER STUDENT. THE AVERAGE SCHOOL BUDGET ON LONG ISLAND SPENDS $26,000.00 PER STUDENT. IF PASSED THE FULL FINANACIAL BURDEN OF THE 3.8% INCREASE WILL BE FELT NEXT YEAR, AND EVERY YEAR AFTER!
VOTE “NO” THIS MAY 15th & JUNE 19th AT THE BAYVILLE INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL
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SaveBayville wrote:
The truth never gets repetetive.
Anon wrote:
Tax Levy increases:
The trend is quite clear. To the point that this year's tax levy is less than Consumer Price Index 3.2%,
2003/04 -- 9.82%
2006/07 -- 4.87%
2009/10 -- 4.03%
2012/13 -- 2.61% AND NO PROGRAM CUTS.
1-LVCSD rated by the prestigious Washington Post survey , an unbiased third party, in the top 1/2 of 1%of high schools in the country.
2- 99% Regents Graduation Rate #2 on LI
3 -78% Advanced Graduation Regents Rate (top 8%) on LI
4- Top performance on state assessments tests.
5- 2.61% Tx levy increase, lowest in 20 years
6- 2.1% tax levy is under the NYS Tax cap.
7- Superintendent has received no salary increase since she was hired in 2008.
8- Ninth lowest tax assessment rate of seventy- eight taxing districts in Nassau.
9- Declining budget 8 of the last 9 years
10- 82% of graduates take at least one college level class, up
11- 53% take three or more college level classes.
12- 100%of varsity team are scholar athlete teams (at least 90% team average). One of only five districts on LI.
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Anonymous wrote:
SaveBayville wrote:
The truth never gets repetetive.
Anon wrote:
Sorry should be declining budget rate
Tax Levy increases:
The trend is quite clear. To the point that this year's tax levy is less than Consumer Price Index 3.2%,
2003/04 -- 9.82%
2006/07 -- 4.87%
2009/10 -- 4.03%
2012/13 -- 2.61% AND NO PROGRAM CUTS.
1-LVCSD rated by the prestigious Washington Post survey , an unbiased third party, in the top 1/2 of 1%of high schools in the country.
2- 99% Regents Graduation Rate #2 on LI
3 -78% Advanced Graduation Regents Rate (top 8%) on LI
4- Top performance on state assessments tests.
5- 2.61% Tx levy increase, lowest in 20 years
6- 2.1% tax levy is under the NYS Tax cap.
7- Superintendent has received no salary increase since she was hired in 2008.
8- Ninth lowest tax assessment rate of seventy- eight taxing districts in Nassau.
9- Declining budget rate 8 of the last 9 years
10- 82% of graduates take at least one college level class, up
11- 53% take three or more college level classes.
12- 100%of varsity team are scholar athlete teams (at least 90% team average). One of only five districts on LI.
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Ugh! I had an entire 12 pt. rebuttal written and lost it all. Let's give it another try.
1. Jay Mathews' WAPO List is vapid and meaningless. A number of L.I. Superintendents have opted out because they believe it to be disingenuous and not reflective of what makes a truly good school. Mathews is financially biased for IBO (and Kaplan for AP prep)
2.Is there a NYS HS diploma that's any LOWER than a Regents Diploma? The answer is NO, local diplomas were eliminated years ago.
3. Jericho had 94% advanced Regents Rate.
4. A broad and over-reaching claim without basis or meaning.
5. This statement is akin to our 8.1% unemployment rate. 20 years ago, an 8% increase on a 24M budget = $1.92M 20 years later, a 2.61% increase on $76M = 1.98M The 8% 20 years ago actually amounted to LESS $USD.
6. Big deal - Even LVCSD knows it will be lucky to get 50% +1, let alone 60%!
7. Supt.'s take home pay has increased over the past few years.
8. uh, ok
9. Again, SO WHAT? The budget ITSELF INCREASES every single year! $35,000 per student is MORE THAN ENOUGH to operate a small public school district in an excellent manner.
10. False - IB is not college-level
11. False - only AP is college level. Passing 3 AP exams (which are college level) produces AP Scholars. LVHS used to regularly average 35-36 AP Scholars a year. We now average ZERO.
12. I mentioned before that inflating a student's GPA by 15 points for being in an IB class is ridiculous and the only reason LVHS can claim its bloated scholar athlete percentage.
3.
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Once you remove the junk statistics you are left with the truth:
• THE 2012/2013 BUDGET OF $76,571,521.00 EQUALS A 3.8% INCREASE NOT 2.61%. THE 2.61% TAX LEVY ADVERTISED BY THE DISTRICT IS BASED ON RAIDING MONEY OUR SCHOOL’S EMERGENCY RESERVES. THIS IS THE HIGHEST BUDGET INCREASE IN 4 YEARS. THE PROPOSED SCHOOL BUDGET WILL EQUAL $37,170.00 PER STUDENT. THE AVERAGE SCHOOL BUDGET ON LONG ISLAND SPENDS $26,000.00 PER STUDENT. IF PASSED THE FULL FINANACIAL BURDEN OF THE 3.8% INCREASE WILL BE FELT NEXT YEAR, AND EVERY YEAR AFTER!
• Between June 2009 and June 2011, inflation-adjusted median household income fell 6.7 percent. During that same period our school budgets went up 6%. What does our school district not understand?
• Home values dropped another 5% from last year, yet our teachers received their minimum annual 3.9% pay increase.
• The new school budget equals $37,170.00 per student. The average school budget on Long Island is only $26,000.00 per student. St. Dominick’s private school in Oyster Bay charges $8,400 annually.
• The average annual tuition for St. Dominick’s in Oyster Bay is $8,400.00 a year. Why are we spending 4X as much?
• Our teachers make an average of $107,000.00 a year not including health benefits and future pensions. We have Kindergarten teachers making over $115,000.00 and GYM teachers making over $140,000.00 a year. WHY??
• Our schools Superintendent made $294,000.00 last year, while the Governor of NY only made $179,000.00 a year. Her contract also guarantees paid life insurance, 24 vacation and an average 32 sick days each year.
• Our school district touts the high graduation rates with Regents diplomas and the number of children going to college. These are junk statistics, a closer look reveals Regents scores that are anything but “premier” and hardly comparable to the money spent educating our children. Sadly today anyone with a pulse and the money can attend college.
VOTE “NO” ON MAY 15th AND JUNE 19th TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY ALREADY, AND THEY JUST NEED TO LEARN HOW TO BUDGET IT RESPONSIBLY.
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Anonymous wrote:
SaveBayville wrote:
The truth never gets repetetive.
Anon wrote:
Tax Levy increases:
The trend is quite clear. To the point that this year's tax levy is less than Consumer Price Index 3.2%,
2003/04 -- 9.82%
2006/07 -- 4.87%
2009/10 -- 4.03%
2012/13 -- 2.61% AND NO PROGRAM CUTS.
1-LVCSD rated by the prestigious Washington Post survey , an unbiased third party, in the top 1/2 of 1%of high schools in the country.
2- 99% Regents Graduation Rate #2 on LI
3 -78% Advanced Graduation Regents Rate (top 8%) on LI
4- Top performance on state assessments tests.
5- 2.61% Tx levy increase, lowest in 20 years
6- 2.1% tax levy is under the NYS Tax cap.
7- Superintendent has received no salary increase since she was hired in 2008.
8- Ninth lowest tax assessment rate of seventy- eight taxing districts in Nassau.
9- Declining budget 8 of the last 9 years
10- 82% of graduates take at least one college level class, up
11- 53% take three or more college level classes.
12- 100%of varsity team are scholar athlete teams (at least 90% team average). One of only five districts on LI.
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Instead of being a mindless spamming monkey, Anonymous, why don't you attempt to rebut my rebuttal?
Oh I know, that would require to to actually THINK instead of regurgitate.
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You, under the guise of advertising reach and frequency my dear monkey starting spamming.
However, although a complete wast of time to educate you and savebayville, two close minded simpletons who spout utter nonsence, I will give a few minutes on the odd chance someone else might visit this blog.
1- The Washington Post is one of the most respected newspapers in the country and JM one of the foremost independent educational experts. Reference to the survey is on many school web sites.
2- The graduation standard is set by the state. the fact is LV graduates 99/100% of its students each year. The state average was 68% in 2010.
3- Jericho is the top district in the state and the only district with an ARD of over 90% and its average cost per student in 2012/13 will be over $54k.
LV ranks in the top 10% on LI and 5% in the state.
4- Actually, if anything understated. In 2010 ELA assessments if ranked #2 on LI in overall ranking from third to fifth grade to Jericho and #3 to Rockville Center and Jericho in Math. Ranking's distributed at BOE meeting this past fall. You need to stay informed. NYS Regents for 2010 as per NYS Report Card shows LV with the highest ranking in Global History and US History 99% -- higher than your beloved Jericho. Overall comparing all Regent tests it ranked #7 on LI.
5- What you don't know about statistics is legendary. Percent increases is used to compare different time periods. It is why the Consumer Price Index is a percent
6-Under the levy is a fact. To you no big deal, others think differently.
7- The value of pension benefite will vary year to year, sometimes up sometimes down.
8- It is a big deal. if you lived in most other locations on LI you would pay more for an equally valued house.
9- The statement is correct. The ACPS metric is misleading.
10- Universities give college credits for IB, and most prefer the global, integrated approach of IB. This blog is full of quotes from Administrators at top universities like Harvard, Cornell, Yale, Duke, Stanford and on and on praising IB. No one cares how you feel about IB.
11- Bloated weighed averages were stated by other districts like Jericho and Syosset. Since many colleges do NOT unweight LV was forced to follow. Still Jericho weighting is heavier than other schools. Still with the weighting that most schools use only five have this distinction.
Since you left PC you know nothing and don't keep informed but still pretend you do.
The voters will decide on May 15th.
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I know better but,
Perhaps you are unclear about the definition of "spamming". Spamming means re-pasting the same garbage over and over again. However, I see that you have attempted to break out of monkey-mode and for that you are to be commended (cough, cough)
1. Funny, up until last year when Jay Mathews' List was relegated to WAPO, LVCSD touted Newsweek. Oh look, LVCSD still TOUTS Newsweek: http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/parents/newsweek_ranking
2. I know the "graduation standard" is set by the state. So what? At $35,000 per student, LVCSD better be graduating 99% of its students. This is not some ghetto with a huge illiterate illegal alien population!
3. Your $54K # is a TOTAL LIE! I calculated it out to be $38K, a mere $1K over what LVCSD will be.
4. Don't patronize me. You make a broad and over-reaching statement and then come back and cherry-pick specific exams? Sorry, no banana.
5. The 2% tax cap with allowable adjustments which maxes out at 2.68% is STATE LAW. The LAW requires 60% voter approval to come in over 2.68%. That is the ONLY reason LVCSD came in under the tax cap.
6. Again, so what?
7. Your reply has nothing to do with the Supt.'s increased take home pay.
8. Let's face facts. I CAN'T LIVE anywhere else on Long Island or elsewhere because HOMES ARE NOT SELLING! The absolute idiocy of LI's tax and spend school districts have made the entire island impossible for OUR CHILDREN to purchase a home and raise a family. College grads are returning home to live with their parents, jobs are scarce and SD's just want mo' mo' mo'! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
9. The statement is NOT correct - the budget has INCREASED every single year.
10. Are you the same tool who spammed all of those uncited IB quotes? Puhleeze. You have NO PROOF that universities "prefer" IB, and MOST U.S. universities only award college credit for a '5' or higher on IB HL exams. IB SL exams are not recognized by MOST U.S. universities. Believe you me, MANY people care about the research I have conducted on IB across the country and even around the world. Why don't you read this excellent e-mail I received from New Zealand:
http://truthaboutib.com/isibsuperior.html
11. Can't even attempt to refute that bogus claim, eh? Or is it you are incapable of counting to 12?
12. LOL! Uh, MOST universities DO un-weight a student's average when considering them for admission.I don't know where you get you information from. But thank you for proving that this bogus claim of "athletic scholars" actually means something. It doesn't.
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AMEN!! You don't go to meetings anymore Lisa. You are not involved. In one way I'm glad, in another, it's too bad. You have points of interest to bring up and discuss, but if you don't come to the meetings nothing can change. To blog and BITCH and complain as you all do may be very therapeutic, but it won't change things.
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Wake up Mary, we are tired of going to the meetings and ignored or yes's to death. If they were available online or even streamed live we could stay more involved. Don't believe the Mandate excuse. Like the flyers around town say:
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year and did NOT take a raise last year. Our school's Superintendent makes $294,000.00 a year, and DID take a pay increase last year. Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries. Make sure you sitting down, you won't believe your eyes.
• The Locust Valley school district has a budget of $71,752,390.00 and only 2165 students. That equals $33,141.00 for each student in the school system. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby private schools typically charge a year. You are giving up your life's savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children's expense.
• Average pay for a teacher retiring from our school district is over $110,000. a year. That is a pension cost to the taxpayer of $55,000./year + lifetime health benefits when they retire. Based on a 30 year payout after retirement a teacher will make an additional $2,010,000.- for NOT working. (Pension 30 years @ $50,000) + (Health Insurance 30 years @ $12,000.)
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Lisa, Anonymous can't debate the facts because all she posts is lies. I think Anonymous real name may be "Anna". Their is no way a taxpaying parent in this district would support a school system that is headed towards a spending crash. Here are the real budget numbers:
2009/2010 $69,768,376 2,233 3.0%
2010/2011 $71,835,590 2,167 3.0%
2011/2012 $73,776,262 2,120 2.7%
2012/2013 $76,571,521 2,060 3.8%
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I also included the declining school enrollment numbers above.
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Jack,
You lost your whole argument when you said
"1- The Washington Post is one of the most respected newspapers in the country"
That paper is most commonly referred to the Washington (Com)post.
We provide facts for our argument and provide opinion. Here are facts you can't argue with.
THE 3.8% BUDGET INCREASE IS THE HIGHEST IN THE LAST$ YEARS. Try to hide that fact.
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Let's raise taxes further and see how many more people we can make homeless:
More 1st-time homeless in Long Island shelters
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/more-1st-time-homeless-in-long-island-shelters-1.3702394
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Ask yourselves - are LVCSD voters as STUPID as France? Let's see how big a dive the Dow takes today.
Embrace LOCAL CONTROL! VOTE NO TWICE! Halt this outrageous tax and spend sociali-m that is driving us to bankruptcy!
0% TAX INCREASE! Sounds good, right? YOU CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN! VOTE NO TWICE!
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Why should any LVCSD taxpayer give an additional penny to a school district that ON ITS OWN WEBSITE, didn't know the difference between CURRICULUM and STANDARDS and can't update NEWSWEEK for the WASHINGTON COMPOST?
I'm sure LVCSD's savvy techs will "fix" that page, now that I have pointed it out here on the Blog, just as they "fixed" Common Core Curriculum to read Common Core Standards after I pointed it out.
Always playing "ketchup"
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/401092/october-31-2011/colbert-super-pac---occupy-wall-street-co-optportunity---stephen-on-location
Temperature check LVCSD? LOL!
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22. Are courses in the High School "weighted"?
Yes. All Regents, AP, and college-level courses are weighted with an additional .3 (out of a 4.0 scale), and
included in the final average calculations.
http://www.jerichoschools.org/hs/docs/startup/faq.pdf
That's VERY different than weighting ONLY IB courses an additional 15 pts. 15 pts. would = 1.5 bump on a 4.0 scale
Where's LVCSD's Class of 2011 Student Profile?
http://www.jerichoschools.org/hs/docs/guidance/Profile.pdf
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Anonymous wrote:
SaveBayville wrote:
The truth never gets repetetive.
Anon wrote:
Tax Levy increases:
The trend is quite clear. To the point that this year's tax levy is less than Consumer Price Index 3.2%,
2003/04 -- 9.82%
2006/07 -- 4.87%
2009/10 -- 4.03%
2012/13 -- 2.61% AND NO PROGRAM CUTS.
1-LVCSD rated by the prestigious Washington Post survey , an unbiased third party, in the top 1/2 of 1%of high schools in the country.
2- 99% Regents Graduation Rate #2 on LI
3 -78% Advanced Graduation Regents Rate (top 8%) on LI
4- Top performance on state assessments tests.
5- 2.61% Tx levy increase, lowest in 20 years
6- 2.1% tax levy is under the NYS Tax cap.
7- Superintendent has received no salary increase since she was hired in 2008.
8- Ninth lowest tax assessment rate of seventy- eight taxing districts in Nassau.
9- Declining budget 8 of the last 9 years
10- 82% of graduates take at least one college level class, up
11- 53% take three or more college level classes.
12- 100%of varsity team are scholar athlete teams (at least 90% team average). One of only five districts on LI.
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"Children should be educated and instructed in the principles of freedom" ~ John Adams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XBLoSEoEtw
VOTE NO TWICE!
Liberty lost is lost forever!
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Anna stop your lies. I got one of the postcard and verified the data on it. It's all true. Your paycheck has gone up 17% since you started in 2008. Note, I am not saying it was a raise. You can see the pay increase on www.seethroughny.net
Also, The 2012/2013 budget of $76,571,521.00 is a 3.8% increase NOT 2.61%. This is the highest budget increase in 4 years. The 2.61% tax touted by the district is based on raiding the school’s emergency reserve fund to balance the budget deficit. Student enrollment goes down and Anna & Jack increase the budeget a record 3.8% and raid our Emergency fund by $500,000.
You call that fiscally responsible?
YEAR BUDGET % INCREASE ENROLLMENT
2009/2010 $69,768,376 3.0% 2,233
2010/2011 $71,835,590 3.0% 2,167
2011/2012 $73,776,262 2.7% 2,120
2012/2013 $76,571,521 3.8% 2,060
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Why hasn't Anna been fired already? It seems our math and science scores above the 85 percentile have dropped since she came on board.
http://www.newsday.com/locust-valley-central-school-district-1.3576126
Geometry, 4 years ago the 38% scored above an 85, now only 24%.
Living Environment, 4 years ago the 56% scored above an 85, now only 34%.
Geometry, 4 years ago the 28% scored above an 85, now only 17%.
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http://ibo.org/become/guidance/documents/DPRulesforIBWorldSchools_e_FINALFILE.pdf
Article 11: Termination by schools
A school may terminate its authorization to teach the Diploma Programme by giving six months’ notice, to
take effect from the beginning of the next school year, except that the teaching of the Diploma Programme
shall continue until candidates already enrolled in the programme have had the opportunity to take their
examinations. Fees remain payable to the IB Organization until the teaching has ended.
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Tax Levy increases:
The trend is quite clear. To the point that this year's tax levy is less than Consumer Price Index 3.2%,
2003/04 -- 9.82%
2006/07 -- 4.87%
2009/10 -- 4.03%
2012/13 -- 2.61% AND NO PROGRAM CUTS.
1-LVCSD rated by the prestigious Washington Post survey , an unbiased third party, in the top 1/2 of 1%of high schools in the country.
2- 99% Regents Graduation Rate #2 on LI
3 -78% Advanced Graduation Regents Rate (top 8%) on LI
4- Top performance on state assessments tests.
5- 2.61% Tx levy increase, lowest in 20 years
6- 2.1% tax levy is under the NYS Tax cap.
7- Superintendent has received no salary increase since she was hired in 2008.
8- Ninth lowest tax assessment rate of seventy- eight taxing districts in Nassau.
9- Declining budget 8 of the last 9 years
10- 82% of graduates take at least one college level class, up
11- 53% take three or more college level classes.
12- 100%of varsity team are scholar athlete teams (at least 90% team average). One of only five districts on LI.
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Oh look classes are over and the School staff can start spamming again. No wonder our students perform so poorly on the Regents. Our school staff can't add.
Stop your lies. Anna's paycheck has gone up 17% since she started in 2008. Note, I am not saying it was a raise. You can see the pay increase on www.seethroughny.net
Also, The 2012/2013 budget of $76,571,521.00 is a 3.8% increase NOT 2.61%. This is the highest budget increase in 4 years. The 2.61% tax touted by the district is based on raiding the school’s emergency reserve fund to balance the budget deficit. Student enrollment goes down and Anna & Jack increase the budeget a record 3.8% and raid our Emergency fund by $500,000.
YEAR BUDGET % INCREASE ENROLLMENT
2009/2010 $69,768,376 3.0% 2,233
2010/2011 $71,835,590 3.0% 2,167
2011/2012 $73,776,262 2.7% 2,120
2012/2013 $76,571,521 3.8% 2,060
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The budget increase maybe 3.79% but the Tax Levy is 2.61%. Remember the Tax Man gets to determine your actual increase. With so many schools losing programs and staff, which will not be replaced fora very long time, can't you see that we are lucky? As for IB and AP scores, ok they aren't where we would like, but what about the exposure and experience the children are having? You can't tell me that after going through an IB class the kids haven't learned anything. I feel they will be more prepared for college than if they hadn't had the experience. Ask the kids that have gone through the program , they'll tell you it was worth it. If people want to go forward and achieve, let them. What's wrong with trying for the American Dream and actually succeeding? Why is it that we all say we want the best for our kids, we want to succeed, and then when we do we are slammed by those that haven't? YOU WANT IT< GO GET IT!!
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Well, there is Lisa and then there are educators:
IB is well known to us for excellent preparations. Success in an IB program correlates well with success at Harvard. We are always pleased to see the credentials of the IB Diploma Program on the transcript.”
Marilyn McGrath Lewis Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Harvard University
“One of the advantages of an IB curriculum is its structure and quality. It is a coordinated program, well established, well known, and well respected. We know the quality of IB courses and we think the IB curriculum is terrific.”
Christopher Guttentag Director of Undergraduate Admission, Duke University
“Send us prepared students (like those from) IB . It is the ‘best’ high school prep curriculum an American school can offer.”
Marilee Jones, former Director of Undergraduate Admission, MIT
“I have always been a supporter of the International Baccalaureate. It is a thoughtful and genuinely intellectual curriculum with an unusually high degree of integrity and connectedness. There is no other curriculum anywhere that does a superior job of both educating students and inspiring a true and broad-based love of learning.”
William Shain Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Vanderbilt University
“The rigor of IB Diploma requirements meets our recommendation for the strongest high school preparation possible. The Extended Essay echoes William & Mary‘s belief in the value of original research as well as the College’s emphasis on strong writing skills, and the Theory of Knowledge course fosters active and critical learning and is philosophically akin to the goals of our freshman seminar program.
The CAS component answers our call for students who have been exposed to community service and creative endeavors and who understand the importance of developing the whole person. In sum, the IB diploma candidate who has met the challenge successfully receives strong consideration from the William & Mary admission committee.
Allison Jesse, former Associate Dean of Admissions, College of William & Mary
Advanced Placement and IB examinations for most highly selective institutions are the ‘gold standard’ in terms of quality and in terms of predicting success on our campuses.”
Dan Walls, Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Emory University
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Oh nooooo, not the imaginary uncited IB accolades quotes ...AAACCCCKK!
I'm not worthy! LOL!
http://truthaboutib.com/ibacademichonesty.html
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Mary, you sound like you mean well, but their is more going than your told by the BOE. The district does NOT have the money for all the programs and teachers curently on staff. They knew money was getting tight but instead of negotiating a fair contract they gave the teachers a gold lined contract and now don't have the money to pay for it. So they have come up with a budget that is teh hihest increase in 4 years (3.8%) and took $500,000.- from the reserves. So this year it looks nice, but next year we don't have anymore money in the reserves and the full 3.8% increase is passed onto teh tax payers plus next years increase and don't forget the millions owed for the high school expansion back in 2006. That is still owed also.
The IB program is NOT about the American Dream, sadly it is a UN backed program which is just the opposite.
The school staff and teachers have stolen my childs American Dream. The accounts I had set up for them at birth have been cleaned out to pay the high school taxes. You must ask yourself why it cost Loust Valley $35K a year to educate a student while St. Dominics can do it for $8,400. a year.
Even taking the cost of mandates, special ed and the busing for private schools, locust valley still cost $24,000 per student.
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I realize the BOE doesn't have the money. Duh! If we didn't have Governor Cuomo's stupid mandates- actually they belong to the State Ed department and or Board of Regents ( a complete waste of time), we may not have had an increase at all! Have you thought about that? Do the math. Oh wait, would like to see your break out. These programs are costing us over 2 million dollars. Should we say FU to the State and do what we want? I don't think we can.. Then we will be taken over by them, and we all know how Roosevelt is doing. And that is why they are taking from the reserves. We are one of the few districts that hasn't taken from their reserves until now. Why do you think all the other schools are cutting? They can't pull from reserves anymore, there is nothing left. God help them if their boiler blows! I'm happy they didn't have to do it until now.
I'm interested to see how districts like Garden City, Manhasset, Jericho do with their budgets. Sorry, but I like our district. I like having options for our children. Imagine if we cut all these programs, we never get them back, and when our kids apply to college against other students that had so much more- who do you think the college will take?
By the way how do you know that the BOE gave the teachers a gold lined contract? It is my understanding that the teacher's did not get a raise but were given other concessions that are not monetary. Another question, how do you know that there is no more money in the reserves? You wouldn't be a FORMER BOE Member would you? Because unless the BOE is lying in PUBLIC FORUM, there is money in the reserves, but they do not want to use it all now and can't legally, , otherwise we will see drastic cuts in the future if our economic situation continues. Enough said.
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Mary,
You are sadly misguided.
"Should we say FU to the State and do what we want? I don't think we can.. Then we will be taken over by them."
The Common Core STANDARDS are a Federal creation, not NYS. The same goes for RTTT (Race to the Top). Yes, NYS has unfortunately opted in to RTTT and thereby agreed to "adopt" Common Core.
Unless LVCSD expects to get some sort of windfall under RTTT, there is absolutely NOTHING compelling LVCSD to change its CURRICULUM for Common Core. The $2.1M figure thrown out by LVCSD is nothing more than a slush fund for phony compliance. You really think NYS is going to take over LVCSD if it doesn't revise its curriculum K-12? With a 99% graduation rate? I don't think so.
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Mary, take your medication and go to bed now.
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Let's stay on track here, this is about our children and let's not forget that. This is about saving the future for my children and yours. It is about saving our community and our schools so they can afford to live here one day and raise families of their own. Sadly at the rate the taxes are going that won't happen. So please vote NO to stop the school tax madness and give our children a chance.
As stated by another blogger:
Anna's paycheck has gone up 17% since she started in 2008. Note, I am not saying it was a raise. You can see the pay increase on www.seethroughny.net
GYM teachers making $140K + a year!!!
Also, The 2012/2013 budget of $76,571,521.00 is a 3.8% increase NOT 2.61%. This is the highest budget increase in 4 years. The 2.61% tax touted by the district is based on raiding the school’s emergency reserve fund to balance the budget deficit. Student enrollment goes down and Anna & Jack increase the budeget a record 3.8% and raid our Emergency fund by $500,000.
YEAR BUDGET % INCREASE ENROLLMENT
2009/2010 $69,768,376 3.0% 2,233
2010/2011 $71,835,590 3.0% 2,167
2011/2012 $73,776,262 2.7% 2,120
2012/2013 $76,571,521 3.8% 2,060
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Unbelievable. LVCSD misreported its 2011 IB/AP exam results to U.S. News & World Reports, exaggerating the pass rate by a full 20% for both AP and IB.
Shame on you, LVHS!
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/new-york/districts/locust-valley-central-school-district/locust-valley-high-school-13837/test-scores
http://truthaboutib.com/images/762_LVHS_AP_2011.jpg - 41% pass rate
http://truthaboutib.com/images/LVHS_IB_2011.pdf - 66.3% pass rate
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Well, well. The truth comes out.
Now Lisa needs to go beyond her common excuses to blast IB and LV.
US NEWS RANKS Locust Valley as a nationally Top 100 school and #20 in the state of NY.
oh, my goodness these a separate publication and no jay mathews. of course, LV lied, you are pathetic Lisa.
of note THREE IB SCHOOLS FROM LI WERE IN THE TOP TWENTY IN NY, and Southside an IB SCHOOL IS NOW #1 ON LI HIGHER THAN jERICHO.
GO LV, GO LV!!!!!!
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Well, well. The truth comes out.
Now Lisa needs to go beyond her common excuses to blast IB and LV.
US NEWS RANKS Locust Valley as a nationally Top 100 school and #20 in the state of NY.
oh, my goodness these a separate publication and no jay mathews. of course, LV lied, you are pathetic Lisa.
of note THREE IB SCHOOLS FROM LI WERE IN THE TOP TWENTY IN NY, and Southside an IB SCHOOL IS NOW #1 ON LI HIGHER THAN jERICHO.
GO LV, GO LV!!!!!!
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aNonymous,
Can you add and divide? Can you read? I have linked the actual AP/IB May 2011 exam reports above, the reports which LVCSD made me wait 20 business days before it got around to e-mailing them to me after I filed my FOIL request.
Just like Jay Mathews, schools e-mail in their stats to U.S. News & World Reports. DO THE MATH! Our AP pass rate was 41% and our IB pass rate was 66.3%.
So did SouthSide lie to U.S. News as well? Probably. Academic honesty doesn't seem to go hand in hand with IB.
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LVHS reported 55% AP exam pass rate to U.S. News instead of the real 41%. The 62% I referenced earlier was the alleged pass rate for students in AP courses.
91 / 221 = 0.411764706
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To repeat:
91 LVHS scored a '3' or higher on AP exams in 2011. A '3' is considered PASSING.
130 students scored '1s' and '2s'.
A total of 221 AP exams were administered.
It would appear that LVHS came closer to reporting its FAILURE rate (58%) to U.S. News, than its PASS rate!
Now if someone can point out a mathematical error that I am making, please do. I have checked and double checked the AP/IB stats, those exams which YOU THE TAXPAYERS are being forced to pay for.
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Woopeeee!!! Ranked 20 in the state and our spending is ranked #2. You call that a success. I say fire Anna today. I am not sure what she even does. Jack is the only one who speaks at the meetings. Him and the Union seem to make all the decisions. So what do we need Anna for?? Jericho was smart enough to give her the boot. Why did we get their left overs?
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Every single budget meeting I have been to (and there have been many) Anna has spoken. I can't stand it when people give inaccurate info. It is so negative. Not one of the six of you who actually take this blog seriously can find one good thing about the district though you seemed happy when you benefited from it. You are in the minority and I find the negativity sad. But sad for you.
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You mean to tell me those teachers aren't back from vacation YET? Still at 144:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/parents/advocate_for_mandate_relief
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A new paradigm. Of the top four schools on Long Island three are IB SCHOOLS.
Jericho has been replaced by the high achieving IB school South Side as the best school on the island, and Commack and Locust Valley are ready to overtake Jericho as well.
The day of IB is here.
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/new-york/rankings
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DO THE MATH WITH THE FACTS! Not IB math - REAL math! C'mon Anonymous coward - prove me wrong - the ACTUAL exam reports are posted above.
Are you going to believe the LIES of LVHS and the mainstream media? Or your own calculations?
The AP and IB documents posted are PRIMARY SOURCE documents.
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Let's see if LVCSD gets stripped of its little Gold Shield for LYING to U.S. News and World Report. They have been notified of the discrepancies.
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And why does U.S. News report that LVHS had 198 seniors in 2011 when NYS Report Cards reports 169?
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/AOR-2011-280503060000.pdf
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/new-york/rankings
Or is U.S. News' report YEAR OLD information? Somebody want to clarify this for me?
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Lisa - I'm shocked that a researcher such as yourself wouldn't delve a little to seek the truth.
"We analyzed 21,776 public high schools in 49 states and the District of Columbia. This is the total number of public high schools that had 12th-grade enrollment and sufficient data, primarily from the 2009-2010 school year, to analyze."
"A three-step process determined the Best High Schools. The first two steps ensured that the schools serve all of their students well, using performance on state proficiency tests as the benchmarks. For those schools that made it past the first two steps, a third step assessed the degree to which schools prepare students for college-level work. "
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You didn't answer my question and you didn't do the MATH!
And why is the 2010 senior enrollment number used and why is the 2010 14.6% IB Diploma rate used?
Also, it would seem over 5,000 high schools have magically vanished since Jay Mathews' YEAR OLD list ....how very strange .....
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Read the methodology before you yell and scream. First of all the methodology clearly states the academic year is 2009/10.
Second it stated the NUMBER OF STUDENTS who passed a test NOT the number of tests passed. So a student who may have taken 3 AP tests and passed 1 is counted. Third the test passed refers to the test taken by the the 2009/10 class, thus test they may have taken their sophomore of Junior or even freshman year.
Who do i believe? The Washington Post and now US News or Lisa?
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Oh please Amy/Anna you can do better than that. Yes she speaks, but only knows two sentances.
"It's for the children....aka my weekend home in Quogue"
or
"We have no money becuase of the mandates.......aka the teachers and I loot it all as salary"
p.s. Your fliers are full lies.
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Oh Melissa - you're so witty and original! No one on this blog has ever targeted a budget supported as being a BOE member, teacher or the superintendent.
PS - Which lies are you speaking of? Can you please list them with evidence to prove that they are lies? Oh, wait - I'm sure you can't. You're too busy trash talking about people in the community.
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Yes Melissa, what are the lies? where is your proof?
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Lisa, do you have anything nice to say about Locust Valley Schools? Your continued negativity is getting boring. Locust Valley did not give their scores to US News, they seek out the information from other sources.
The bottom line is that you can't stand it that Locust Valley is doing so well with the IB Program. Stop your temper tantrum/hissy fit. IB is not going away.
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Mary,
DO THE MATH! Or are you incapable? LYING is negative. Asking taxpayers to cough up more money to fund LVCSD's LIES is annoying. And I happen to know FIRST HAND that those stats are sent in to the respective "collectors" by the schools themselves and are NOT cross-checked against any national/international database.
I really don't have anything nice to say about LV MS or HS. The music department was very good. Bayville elementary had some very good teachers. But other than that? No. Nothing nice.
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Back it up! Who are the collectors? You don't even read the methodologies to surveys, and you just wasted time analyzing a year old study, screaming and calling names when a posted pointed out the survey was a year old. You have no credibility left.
If you read the methodology to this study you would see the study was from 2010 and the point you are incorrectly making had very little to do with the rankings.
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Anonymous,
The U.S. News & World Report is dated 2012. Are you claiming the U.S. News Report is for 2010 data? Where is LVCSD getting the 20% figure it's tossing around in Soundwaves? Seems to me your other Anonymous was yippie-kay-aying all over the place for IB on the U.S. news & World Reports List .... why is it TWO YEARS OLD? So which is it? 14.6% as reported by USNWP, 18.9% as I reported for 2011, or 20% as reported by LVCSD?
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Okay. I've verified it. It IS 2010 data that U.S. News used. I did not record the AP results from 2010 for some reason. Then that means we had a 14% DECLINE in the pass rate in AP and a 4% DECLINE in the pass rate in IB. Why two MAJOR "Lists" are reporting on 2009-2010 data is beyond me.
I don't know when this changed. It USED to be that the year of "the list" reported on the prior year.
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The PASS rate that is reported iS NOT THE NUMBER OF TESTS, rather it is the number of students. So if a student took three tests and passed one that student is counted as having passed an AP class.
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Anonymous,
USNWP reports TWO Pass rates, Participating student pass rate and exam pass rate. Both are reported in percentages.
The participating student pass rate is 62%..... for 2010.
The AP exam pass rate for 2010 was apparently 55%.
Not 62 or 55 students.
And let me state again, I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED, that this is info from TWO years ago. But it is. The 198 # of seniors matches up with the NYS Report Card and the 14.6% full IBDP percentage matches my 2010 calculation.
How do you think they arrived at a pass rate percentage for the AP exams without dividing the total number of exams which scored a '3' or higher by the total number of exams administered? How did I arrive at the exact 14.6% for the IBDP students? I took the 29 IBDP recipients and divided by the total number of seniors (198)
29 / 198 = 0.146464646
LVCSD has NEVER had 20% of its graduating class earn IB Diplomas. NEVER.
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Are Suzie & Erika running again? Or are they just persona non grata in LVCSD? Funny how Soundwaves couldn't even MENTION that they are up for re-election, if they're running. And what's this nonsense about "creating a Capital Reserve Fund"? Don't we already HAVE a Capital Reserve Fund? How come Soundwaves doesn't list the ADDITION of a 2nd Assistant Principal at the HS?
Did the HS auditorium ever get air conditioning?
VOTE NO TWICE!!!!!! 0% TAX INCREASE!
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We'll get it when you move.
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What will you get, Mary? A/C for the auditorium? How will my moving achieve that? LVCSD has passed the budget every year since Hunderfund got here, but can I conclude from your insipid reply that there is still no A/C? I thought Dick Hurts promised the A/C as the "last thing he would do".
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Anna I see you are taking a page out of BJ Clinton's playbook. You know, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".
"I did not take a raise since I started this job", but I did make 17% more last year than when I started. In fact you can see what a lier I am by going to www.seethroughny.net
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But she's doing the work of six eliminated administrators, geez, don't be such a harda$$, Melissa
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Soory Miss, but if she lies about her salary, she will lie about anything. This is not someone who should be around our children. Her lying sets a bad example. It wasn't okay for BJ Clinton and is not okay for her. She has to go. Jericho didn't want her, why should we get stuck with her??
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How has she lied? How is she lying about her salary? Are you the one passing around a petition to get her out? If Jericho was so unhappy with her don't you think they would have found a way to get her out before she spent 20 years there? As a former teacher in Jericho, I can tell you, if they want you out, you are out. I think you need to be more specific in your comments and back up what you are saying. You didn't respond to the other people that asked about the lies Amy/Anna have on their flyers. You will start to sound like Lisa, and lose all credibility.
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It's very simple, just like your thought process. Anna has lied about receiving more now (17%) than in 2008.Are you too slow that you can use a website www.seethroughny.net and see for yourself. Or maybe you one of the fellow thieves stealing from our children to line your pension. FIRE ANNA THE LIER TODAY.
p.s. Where do I sign up for the flier?
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The "nonsense" about a Capital Reserve Fund is that the one we have expires in a year. If you went to a meeting you would know that. The community has to vote to create a new fund. It is at no cost to the tax payer to do this. Yes I'm sure you will find a way to make it so that it is related to the tax payer as you always do.
If I had the money I would buy your house and have a parade when you leave. Your kids get a great education and now you slam the school. Why are you so bitter?
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Maybe we should start a collection to buy the house?? I have some money to invest in real estate.....
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Good! Come with cash! Put your money where your big fat mouth is!
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Yes those meetings are so informative. They parade the kids around for 2 hours waiting for all the parents to leave before they start talking about the real money wasting of the district.
Sadly not one of the of the kids ever wins an award for math or science, just art. But don't you worry we have a great bunch of artists graduating Locust Valley. Look for them at the Occupy Protests real soon, because they won't be getting a real college education after this or job that can support them. Our school district is a facade, and has failed these kids miserably. I agree Anna and that Pig Farmer "Jack" must go.
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John,
I agree, those parades of the students before King Jack and Queen Anna are such a waste of time. Whatever happened to in-school award assemblies? As to the rest of the BoE meetings, with everything shoved into a Consent Agenda and public discussion/work sessions a thing of the past, why should anyone give up their evening? If LVCSD would post the Check Registry and actual Board minutes online, we could read the FACTS, not be subjected to the SPIN. Or LVCSD could live-stream the meetings. How much have we spent on media/technology over the past 10 years?
For years I advocated for elementary science teachers. We still do not have them. The last HS Science Fair took place under Ed Tronolone. But I am going to disagree with you about the non-value of artists. Sure, some of them may end up down in OWS, but I think, and this is purely opinion not a scientific study, students who choose to develop their artistic talent are individuals who could never fit the 9-5, M-F mold in the first place. A certain amount of entrepreneurial spirit is required in order to be a successful artist. Like acting, sometimes being in the right place at the right time and luck have a lot to do with success. There are still plenty of people who appreciate beautiful art and thankfully, some still left with money to spend on it.
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The truth hurts, the US NEWS survey was conducted this year over the 2010 class. And the results are:
LV is ranked 99th Nationally
LV is ranked 20th in the state
LV is ranked 4th on Long Island
Lisa can cry and carry on and accuse everyone of cheating and lying but it is just sour grades.
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Did South Side cheat too? What about Commack?
The fact is 3 of the top 4 schools on Long Island are now IB schools and South Side, an IB school, blew Jericho away. Commack and LV are right on its heels
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Yeah! Celebrate plagiarism and lies!
http://truthaboutib.com/ibacademichonesty.html
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The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, not to worry about the future, not to anticipate troubles, but to live the present moment wisely and earnestly
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The falacy about the IB program is well know. Well at least outside of the town's nitwit collection, but there are bigger issues here. Like the future of our children being robbed by a bunch of con artists and thieves who use our children as a tool. The latest Soundawaves again threatened the Kindergarten class. I thought the childrens education came first? How come re-negoiting the "gold lined" teachers contract hasn't been mentioned. You wouldn't believe what they get in that contract? Let's nit forget:
The district does NOT have the money for all the programs and teachers curently on staff. They knew money was getting tight but instead of negotiating a fair contract they gave the teachers a gold lined contract and now don't have the money to pay for it. So they have come up with a budget that is teh hihest increase in 4 years (3.8%) and took $500,000.- from the reserves. So this year it looks nice, but next year we don't have anymore money in the reserves and the full 3.8% increase is passed onto teh tax payers plus next years increase and don't forget the millions owed for the high school expansion back in 2006. That is still owed also.
The IB program is NOT about the American Dream, sadly it is a UN backed program which is just the opposite.
The school staff and teachers have stolen my childs American Dream. The accounts I had set up for them at birth have been cleaned out to pay the high school taxes. You must ask yourself why it cost Loust Valley $35K a year to educate a student while St. Dominics can do it for $8,400. a year.
Even taking the cost of mandates, special ed and the busing for private schools, locust valley still cost $24,000 per student.
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Former teacher, thanks for revealing yourself Anon. I guess you are one of the dreggs she brought over here with her. Nothing like keeping your favorite pitbull at your side. Hopefully when she gets fired you will too. Are you the GYM teacher making $145K a year?
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I would offer to buy your house Anon, but you don't live here in the district. Merely collect a paycheck at our expense.
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I don't have kids yet. I bought here because it's a pretty village by the water. If I am blessed with children in the future, I doubt I would enroll them in the public school system. I will be voting NO on May 15th.
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Richard,
WELL SAID!!
Why are they so willing to take away from OUR kids?
SHAME ON ALL of you who are willing to ALLOW THEM!!! They should have NEVER let the spending get SO out of control!!!!
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PLEASE, PLEASE VOTE YES.....and pass onto your children, and their children an ever increasing level of debt brought on by record deficit spending. You have no more money to leave to your children, so at least leave them a growing tax debt.
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Jack was promoted to King? My son brought home that flyer he found at school with the pigs (teachers) on it. I thought Jack was the Pig Farmer on that flier. Am I seeing things or is that supposed to be him?
Someone posted a link on here before. Where is it?
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http://www.newsday.com/share/1.3706969
Read it and weep.
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Agreed, this is very sad. We are almost #1 in cost per student ($37K each), average teachers cost $107,000.00 each year and WE COME IN #4!!! Are you kidding! What are we paying all this money for?
If you want to really cry you should see how we score on the Regents Exams. We are down around the 33% percentile or an equivalant score of 67%... a D+
It is truly sad.
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If this IB program is so great, why don't any of the top private schools on Long Island offer it?
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Good question, because it is a farce. Jericho doesn't dirty their curriculum with it either. AP classes achieve the same thing but there is NO additional fee like IB.
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This is good. People are waking up. My petition is doing a little better than LVCSD's. Please sign if you haven't yet ...
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/removeibfrompubliceducation/
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"A Very Private, Public Education"
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/documents/BROCHURE_032911.pdf
And THAT'S your problem, LVCSD. And THAT'S why your budget and enrollment is going DOWN!
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The brochure I linked above states the following:
"IB courses challenge students to achieve academic success at a university level as they become thoughtful, caring, and active citizens of the world."
As an American taxpayer in this district, that statement rubs me the wrong way. As the administrator of www.truthaboutib.com, I would like to post this reminder for a scholarship I have founded. If you know an LVHS senior who could use a little help with tuition, please encourage them to submit an essay. Thanks!
2012 TAIB IB Essay Scholarship
Attention all high school seniors who attend an International Baccalaureate High School! (Candidate IB High Schools also qualify, ie: Ozark HS, MO, Sag Harbor HS, NY, etc.)
Whether you are an IB student or a non-IB student, TAIB recognizes that the "culture" of IB permeates an entire school. This year, we are looking for the best essay that answers the question:
"WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND A GLOBAL CITIZEN?"
Rules
1. Essay must be a minimum of 1,000 words. No maximum.
2. Deadline is June 30th, 2012
3. Entries should be in .pdf format and sent as an attachment to an e-mail to: info@truthaboutib.com . Please write "Scholarship" in the subject line
4. Entries will be posted to this page and will be voted on by TAIB readers until July 15th. Public opinion will count for 60% of the final decision. The other 40% will be the opinion of TAIB administrators.
5. Be sure to include the name of your school and location so TAIB can verify that it is an IB school.
6. Submission of an entry grants TAIB permission to publish.
7. TAIB will deposit $500 in the winner's student account at the university they will be attending in the fall, on August 1, 2012.
8. Although this scholarship is primarily established for HS seniors, TAIB will accept entries from college students entering their sophomore year who graduated from an IB high school.
The winning essay will clearly define the qualities, rights and responsibilities of American vs. global citizenship. Proper grammar, spelling, factual support and overall composition, not the opinion expressed, will play a major role in determining the winner.
Good luck!
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VOTE NO ...... because you CAN.
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VOTE YES BECAUSE YOU CAN!!! If the budget goes down twice, the cuts will be difficult for everyone in the community. Maybe then you will realize what we have.
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Mary,
I called it first .... nyeh nyeh
copycat
VOTE NO TWICE ..... because you CAN!
SAY NO TO HIGHER TAXES
SAY NO TO $37,000 A STUDENT
SAY NO TO A "VERY PRIVATE PUBLIC SCHOOL"
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Oh please Mary, save it for your own district. You have the nerve to come and take a paycheck from our district and tell us how to vote. Does the district you live in spend $37K per student, and do you have GYM teachers making $145K a year?
No I didn't think so. So vote NO and fire Hunderfund to save the district.
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Please Paul - knock off the accusations. It's boring and you have nothing else to offer that's either productive or helpful to this conversation. I doubt you would have the courage to stand up at any public meeting and say it in public, to the faces of the people you trash on this blog. Sadly, you and the other miscreants posting inflammatory half-truths are what's wrong in this society today. You bully and accuse those who support the district because you have no real argument or anything productive to offer in a discussion. And please don't bother to respond with your typical bullying tactics and BS. We all know what you're going to write anyway.
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We are not "miscreants" using taxpayer money to print LIES to be mailed out to residents. We are parents and taxpayers who are sick and tired of LVCSD bullies threatening to eliminate Kindergarten and falsely claiming 20% IB Diplomas!
I've heard about YOUR nasty bullying tactics, Jack. Tsk, tsk ..... and with your fellow Board trustees ...... shameful.
*Jack watch* - keep an eye out for Jack running around buying up all of the copies of The Leader on the newsstands - I hear there's a sizable VOTE NO ad .... LOL!
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well global citizenship isn't all bad because really it is something that is kind of necessary during interplanetary warfare. who can forget what rico said:
Someone asked me once if I knew the difference between a civilian and a citizen. I know now. A citizen has the courage to make the safety of the human race their personal responsibility. Dizzy was my friend. She was a soldier. But more than that, she was a citizen of the Federation.
rest in peace, dizzy, rest in peace.
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Do your fellow teachers lie as bad as you and Anna. Maybe your dimentia is setting in, but you stated you were a "Teacher who worked with Anna". The only people I have met who support the budget around town are so slow that they wouldn't even know how to use a computer.
I would gladly stand up and the debate the budget. Unfortunately I don't know to contact you, since you are afraid to post your name. I guess I'll have to just keep looking under rocks until I find you. Let's not forget that Anna must be fired for her lies in Soundwaves. This is hardly the role model our children should have.
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It is amazing your degrading remarks and negative attitude towards a public school, though maybe not perfect because none are, that does very well. I am proud to have 5th, 8th and 10th grader who all vary in degrees of need and are getting what they need. They wake up happy everyday and are happy to go to school. You are not really insulting budget supporters because everyone is allowed their opinion. You are insulting the proud children who work the best they can and who excel and/or get help when needed. You hurt them by insulting their accomplishments. It is shameful. Kids live by example. I hope your home and your kids are less negative than you are. They say it starts in the home. Stop blaming everyone else. That, to me, is not a good role model.
By the way, I don't have much money, I belong to no clubs, my kids get hand me downs sometimes, I worry about my bills but I still support my kids and their district.
And US News did not get any info from our district. This is a ranking that is done completely independently. So go ahead and try to take away a Gold Medal. It is a waste of your time. I do not understand such hatred.
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http://www.newsday.com/share/1.3706969
Read it and weep.
Wow!!
LV IN THE TOP 100 SCHOOLS IN THE COUNTRY.
Three of the four best schools on LI are IB schools and South Side an IB school is #1 on LI.
I guess all the admission directors at the colleges and universities who praise IB are right after all.
The great part is this story is all over the national press.
Congratulations to our fine students!!!!!
Congratulations Dr. Hunderfund. You did it for Jericho and now you are doing it for LV.
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Grade 4 English test scores: (Bayville Intermediate) 41 out of 362
(Locust Valley Intermediate)119 out of 362
Grade 8 English test scores: Locust Valley is not there
Grade 4 Math test scores: (Bayville Intermediate) 61 out of 361
(Locust Valley Intermediate) 285 out of 361
Grade 8 Math test scores: Locust Valley not there
Geometry Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 39 out of 86
Integrated Algebra Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 139 out of 225
English Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 22 out of 115
U.S. History and Government Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 6 out of 115
Global History and Geography Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 30 out of 115
Physics Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 85 out of 111
Living Environment Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 97 out of 152
Earth Science Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 88 out of 199
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Four Long Island high schools were named among the top 100 in the country, according to U.S. News & World Report.
South Side High School in Rockville Centre was listed at 22, Jericho at 94, Commack at 95 and Locust Valley at 99.
The publication analyzed 21,776 high schools in 49 states and the District of Columbia, based on factors including their effort to educate all students, not just the college-bound.
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That's what you get when you give IB SL exams the same weight as an AP exam. TWO YEAR OLD data and a methodology which unfairly favors IB. And what happened to the "other" 5,000+ HSs Jay Mathews claimed existed? Bunch of BS, BOTH Lists!
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Anna, you can lie all you want and try and distract the public from the real facts because we all know your paycheck has gone up 17% since you started in 2008. Note, I am not saying it was a raise. You can see the pay increase on www.seethroughny.net
Also, The 2012/2013 budget of $76,571,521.00 is a 3.8% increase NOT 2.61%. This is the highest budget increase in 4 years. The 2.61% tax touted by the district is based on raiding the school’s emergency reserve fund to balance the budget deficit. Student enrollment goes down and Anna & Jack increase the budeget a record 3.8% and raid our Emergency fund by $500,000.
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You guys have been using old numbers. Here is the latest official numbers from Newsday.
1. Are we really #4 top school on Long Island? According the Newsday link, our 8th Grade English students meeting standards is 62.3%.
2. I have read fliers in town listing the Superintendent salay as $295K. In the link, the reported Superintendent salary is $322K.
http://schools.newsday.com/long-island/districts/locust-valley/
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2. The $322,000 includes benefits
But I have a question about that pesky Appropriated Fund Balance. Newsday reports that it was 600,000 for 2010-2011 but wasn't that the same line that went from $1,500,000 to 0 in 2011-12?
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/documents/12budget_lv_nl.pdf
Why doesn't Newsday report the tax info from 2011-12? I don't get it. The main-stream media deliberately confuses and conflates stats from different years!
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That has to be a typo on the LV feature page for 2010-2011 budget because the $73M figure corresponds with 2011-2012. That still doesn't account for the sudden appearance of $600,000, does it? Or is that and the -60% and the 600K are also typos?
Why did our 8th Graders do so poorly on the English? And what did LVMS do with all of the Title I money it received?http://truthaboutib.com/images/831_LVCSD_ARRA.jpg
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It's even worse than that, did you see our overall rankings posted in newsday?
Grade 4 English test scores: (Bayville Intermediate) 41 out of 362
(Locust Valley Intermediate)119 out of 362
Grade 8 English test scores: Locust Valley is not there
Grade 4 Math test scores: (Bayville Intermediate) 61 out of 361
(Locust Valley Intermediate) 285 out of 361
Grade 8 Math test scores: Locust Valley not there
Geometry Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 39 out of 86
Integrated Algebra Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 139 out of 225
English Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 22 out of 115
U.S. History and Government Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 6 out of 115
Global History and Geography Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 30 out of 115
Physics Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 85 out of 111
Living Environment Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 97 out of 152
Earth Science Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 88 out of 199
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These scores really scare me. My child is starting kindergarten in the Fall. Should I eventually plan on private tutoring or maybe a private school?
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Wow, this is all over the national media. Even on the morning talk shows.
Congratulations to our students!!!! Among the best in the nation.
Of course Lisa doesn't have very nice things to say about the fine Locust Valley students, do you Lisa
Four Long Island high schools were named among the top 100 in the country, according to U.S. News & World Report.
South Side High School in Rockville Centre was listed at 22, Jericho at 94, Commack at 95 and Locust Valley at 99.
The publication analyzed 21,776 high schools in 49 states and the District of Columbia, based on factors including their effort to educate all students, not just the college-bound.
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I have to cry after reading what you wrote. You are a typical school employee using children to benefit yourself, and like you said....YOUR EXAMPLE OF GREED and LIES is NOT what I want my children to learn. My children would be just as happy if you didn't make $107K a year and had to contribute more to your health insurance. In fact they would eventually be so happy because I might be able to afford dentures for them or maybe a college education. You are your ilk make me sick. Don't ever use our children's again to justify your gluttony.
Now get back your slimy butt back to work and set a real example you "Gold Diggers"!
Why don't you write the truth about how performance on standardized tests have dropped since Anna came on board or show our honest rankings of how bad our kids do.
Hardly something to talk about so write about the hollow accolade by US NEWS
Grade 4 English test scores: (Bayville Intermediate) 41 out of 362
(Locust Valley Intermediate)119 out of 362
Grade 8 English test scores: Locust Valley is not there
Grade 4 Math test scores: (Bayville Intermediate) 61 out of 361
(Locust Valley Intermediate) 285 out of 361
Grade 8 Math test scores: Locust Valley not there
Geometry Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 39 out of 86
Integrated Algebra Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 139 out of 225
English Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 22 out of 115
U.S. History and Government Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 6 out of 115
Global History and Geography Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 30 out of 115
Physics Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 85 out of 111
Living Environment Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 97 out of 152
Earth Science Regent scores: Locust Valley High School 88 out of 199
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I still say thank you to all the unappreciated teachers. Again i have to assume you were all home schooled.
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Let's see, I need to make a decision on who the believe:
US News
The Washington Post
Jay Mathews - one of the leading educational journalist
Harvard Dean of Admissions
Yale Dean of Admissions
Cornell Dean of Admissions
Stanford Dean of Admissions
Duke Dean of Admissions
or
Lisa
Paul and his alias
Now this is a real hard choice.
Congratulations to the students, teachers, support staff, administrators and Superintendents at South Side, Jericho, Commack and especially our special district Locust Valley on their outstanding accomplishments.
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Interesting. The full page vote yes ads in the Leader were not sponsored by the LVPC or the CPC as they have been in the past, they were sponsored by Amy & Keri. Now I have to ask myself, what's in this for Amy and Keri to lay out almost $1100 of their own money for two full page ads in The Leader?
I bet Amy & Keri would pay $40,000 a piece to have dinner with Barack & George Clooney, too.
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Lisa,
The reason that our names were listed at the bottom of the ads is two fold. Bayville PTA and SEPTA support the budget , they did not have enough in their budgets to support all of the ads that have been placed in The Leader. Secondly, Amy and I are HUGH supporters of the budget. I have three children in this district. I am a former teacher and believe that they are receiving an excellent education. I grew up in Manhasset, worked in NYC teaching , and value education. I see both sides of the coin. I DO NOT want to LOSE ANYTHING that we currently have in our district. Middle School Sports was combined this year and I can tell you first hand it has made a difference in children's lives. If the budget goes down, the cuts that will be made will be hurtful to all in the community. Now, the ads do not total $1100 as you suggest, it's closer to $600. Money well spent in my opinion , for something I believe in. As for 40,000 on Barack Obama, you pegged me wrong, I am a conservative to the grave and would not lend a dime, nickel or penny to his campaign. While George Clooney is nice to look at, his politics are not attractive.
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Let me be clear.. all of the councils support the budget.
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Keri,
Thank you for your reply. Since you are such a huge supporter of the schools, perhaps you can explain why Mr. Dolce cited a specific 16.14% reduction in State Aid in the Board Actions of April, yet the Budget Summary indicates an 11.54% INCREASE ($300,000)
I suppose either the Leader gave you a nice discount or it has drastically reduced its rates - a full page ad used to cost $535 and I saw two full page ads with your name on them. But since you had the courage to sign your real name to your post, I will take your word for it that you were only charged $600. SEPTA always has a very small budget compared to the PCs and PTA. I find it difficult to believe that those 4 councils couldn't come up with $150 each if the membership supported the budget, as you state.
As a Conservative, it is unfortunate that you do not understand that more money does not improve education, it merely increases the teachers net worth:
http://orangepunch.ocregister.com/2011/08/03/more-money-does-not-improve-education-outcomes/47433/
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I'm glad anonymous is so impressed with inconsistent, vapid rankings and phony quotes. On the other hand, I receive e-mail from IB students on a daily basis. I noticed a number of them like to accuse my website of being a "logical fallacy". I know that teenagers are being fed this line of nonsense by IB and in researching the fact that, yes indeed, TOK does include an entire unit on "logical fallacies", I also came across this You Tube video.
I ask that you watch it with an open-mind. Or should I say, I ask that "Jew" watch it with an open-mind. This is what your taxdollars are being spent on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JRADgHheoI
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Here are some of the vapor quotes, their own words. These sources have been posted above. Go ahead Lisa, deny these quotes.
Again congratulations to the students, teachers, support staffs, administrators and Superintendents at the three award winning IB schools; South Side #1 on LI, Commack and especially Locust Valley and also Jericho an AP school.
IB is well known to us for excellent preparations. Success in an IB program correlates well with success at Harvard. We are always pleased to see the credentials of the IB Diploma Program on the transcript.”
Marilyn McGrath Lewis Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Harvard University
“One of the advantages of an IB curriculum is its structure and quality. It is a coordinated program, well established, well known, and well respected. We know the quality of IB courses and we think the IB curriculum is terrific.”
Christopher Guttentag Director of Undergraduate Admission, Duke University
“Send us prepared students (like those from) IB . It is the ‘best’ high school prep curriculum an American school can offer.”
Marilee Jones, former Director of Undergraduate Admission, MIT
“I have always been a supporter of the International Baccalaureate. It is a thoughtful and genuinely intellectual curriculum with an unusually high degree of integrity and connectedness. There is no other curriculum anywhere that does a superior job of both educating students and inspiring a true and broad-based love of learning.”
William Shain Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Vanderbilt University
“The rigor of IB Diploma requirements meets our recommendation for the strongest high school preparation possible. The Extended Essay echoes William & Mary‘s belief in the value of original research as well as the College’s emphasis on strong writing skills, and the Theory of Knowledge course fosters active and critical learning and is philosophically akin to the goals of our freshman seminar program.
The CAS component answers our call for students who have been exposed to community service and creative endeavors and who understand the importance of developing the whole person. In sum, the IB diploma candidate who has met the challenge successfully receives strong consideration from the William & Mary admission committee.
Allison Jesse, former Associate Dean of Admissions, College of William & Mary
Advanced Placement and IB examinations for most highly selective institutions are the ‘gold standard’ in terms of quality and in terms of predicting success on our campuses.”
Dan Walls, Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Emory University
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Anonymous,
Stop spamming with your phony quotes. You want to endorse an anti-Semitic, left-wing, anti-American, terrorist supporting organization, be my guest. I oppose IB, I will always oppose IB, and the brainwashing of our next generation by this UN social justice program is criminal.
You should be ashamed of yourself, anonymous.
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Lisa,
I feel bad for you. Maybe you should try to rent your house so that you can get off Long Island and try to get better. Mary Doesn't need medication , you do.
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So which is the TRUTH?
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_Actions/Actions_April_2012.pdf
"Mr. Dolce commented on State aid reductions, indicating that New York City and downstate suburbs,
including Long Island, give more tax revenue to Albany than they receive back in State-funded expenditures.
In comparing regional State aid from 2007/2008 to 2012/2013, the Long Island region has seen a 4.24%
reduction in State aid, with the LVCSD experiencing a 16.14% reduction in aid."
-OR-
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Budget_Information/Budget_SummaryFinal.pdf
State Aid 11-12 $2.6M 12-13 $2.9M $300,000 +11.54%
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*crickets*
PTA Mommies? Jack? Anonymous? Care to answer my question above?
And that Appropriated Fund Balance
2011-2012 According to LVCSD - $0
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Budget_Information/Budget_SummaryFinal.pdf
2011-2012 According to Newsday - $600,000
http://schools.newsday.com/long-island/districts/locust-valley/
That amounts to a $1.2M "disparity". I believe the LVCSD taxpayers deserve an explanation before Tuesday.
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why don't you come to some meetings and find out somethings. I don't think we can say the balance is zero if it isn't. Don't you think someone would notice? You sure like to cast a lot of doubt on things, but I just don't see you at the meetings, I just don't see you involved anymore. So your kids have gone through district, you got what THEY needed, BOCES, and now you BITCH. That's what you you do , BITCH on this blog about everything. You should put some effort into selling that house of yours. If I had the money , I'd but it. You are a cancer in this community.
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Come and find out! If you haven't noticed the State changes it's mind every two seconds! Worse than a woman in menopause! LV was not to be given as musch state aid as in the past, then , recently- don't recall the date as I am getting old- we were given more than expected; as were other districts . A gift from Cuomo! Our tax dollars do go to Albany, and we don't get back what we send. THe SYSTEM needs to change.
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What kind of reply is that, other than a snarky, ignorant one from a misogynist with Alzheimers?
Don't hate me because LVCSD's numbers don't add up. I'm not making these numbers up to "cause trouble". They're listed there in black and white. The taxpayers deserve answers and need to hold LVCSD accountable. I would think Keri, who spent her own money on huge Vote Yes ads in The Leader, would be able to explain, but she did not. Blind support of tyranny and lies "for the children" is not a Conservative position. Perhaps an e-mail blast from Parents Council 'splaining this $1.2M disparity is warranted, instead of the ridiculous e-mails touting the two year old USNWP ranking. (yes, I actually have friends who forward them to me)
VOTE NO TWICE!
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What was the aid before? Numbers can be tricky and used to ones advantage Lisa. Be careful. And I'm not Jack. I too am truly a female.
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Oh the answer is simple. It's for the kids....uh I mean it is for the mandates. No I mean its because of mandates? Oh where is Jack when I need him to speak for me.......it's mandated by law. No, no that doesn't sound right.
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I would be curious to hear the answer also. I think that is a valid and very serious question.
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Lisa,
Could you please make the the words that you have to type to leave a comment easier to read? My eyes are not that good, and the words that are "floating" for lack of better term are difficult to read.
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Mary,
I am not the Bayville Blog admin. Complain to them about the obnoxious Captcha verification.
I should be able to verify a $600,000 (plus or minus) difference in State Aid for 2012-2013 by Mr. Board President's comments in the Board Actions. On April 3rd, the Actions reflect him whining about a 16.14% REDUCTION in State Aid. On April 17th, nowhere do we see a "good news" announcement that NYS INCREASED State Aid. The difference is $600,000 more in the LVCSD coffers. Where is the adjustment to the tax increase to offset the State windfall?
Add that to the $600,000 Newsday states was in the Appropriated Fund Balance when LVCSD claims there is $0 and now there's $1.2M that LVCSD is playing games with in just those two line items!
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Lisa, you are asking for an honest answer from an unethical group of individuals. They have no shame, look at Anna, she had to nerve to print her lie about her 17% income increase in the Soundwave.
I think the BOE said we use the same accounting firm as Roslyn at one meeting.
I think a letter to DA Rice may be more warranted at this point. This is a large amount of money to go un-explained.
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I think the most important thing to do on Tuesday is to VOTE NO to everything, including LVCSD's desire to establish another Capital Fund. Then the district will be FORCED to explain this $1.2M disparity before it puts the budget up for a 2nd vote!
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That statement should be clarified. The leadership of these groups support the budgets but NOT all the members. Myself and a number of other members of the PTA are strongly opposed to another budget increase, but we don't dare say so at the meetings, or the stepford PTA Moms will verbally attack us.
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Ah. The Delphi Technique. Such a shame. And if you dare to challenge or question them, (and God forbid make them cry), then you are a horrible monster like me.
God bless and use your voting power on Tuesday where they can't intimidate you. Some poll watchers at the voting sites and verification of the vote count at the evening BoE meeting might be in order.
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Btw, this vote may be decided by Absentee Ballots. Keep that in mind. LVCSD needs 50% + 1 for it to pass.
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Sharon, If you are opposed to the budget you should come out and tell me. I will not verbally attack you. You have the right to your opinion and the right to vote the way you want.
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Keri,
Attempting to dismiss someone's fear of retribution against their children by claiming you won't "verbally attack" them after you spent $600 of your own money to bully advertise on LVCSD's behalf, doesn't eliminate Sharon's fear.
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WOW! To think that I would go after someone's child because they don't support the budget is really a stretch. Furthermore, I would not attack Sharon regarding her views. If she is involved in the PTA she supports making the children's school experience a positive one. People that know me, you Lisa do not, would tell you that I would never harm someone. I do not believe that Sharon has an "axe to grind", nor does she" hate children",. Do I think the children will lose, yes, but that is MY OPINION!!!!! You have yours , she has hers, and we are all entitled to express them freely.
I think it is time to stick to the facts. Lisa, you do a very good job of presenting information regarding IB. I don't dispute that. However, your tone in your emails/blogs is what can turn some people off. There are two sides to every story, and then there is the truth. We are adults here, or so I believe, so let's act like them and present our case for or against without bashing people in the community. That type of behavior takes away from the real issue. We are talking about the budget here, NOT class warfare! Don't start that, it has no place in this discussion.
Lastly, Sharon, whoever you are, I hope that privately someday you express your true feelings to me about the budget. I will not try to change your mind. I will be repectful of your opinion, you are entitled to it. My job is to make sure everyone is given the information that the school is putting out regarding the budget. CPC Presidents are the liaison between the Superintendent and the Parent Councils.
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Keri,
You are entitled to your opinion. However, the district is NOT entitled to TWO sets of facts. (State Aid, Appropriated Fund Balance)
You obviously cannot explain the $1.2M disparity I have pointed out. Why should anyone respect YOUR opinion when you either can't or won't back it up with facts?
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That's right Charles its not your fault. The state forces your union to set unrealistic raises for part-time jobs. Save the "it's the states fault" bs. We hear enough of it from Queen Anna, when is she getting fired anyway.
I guess the guy who hands a note to the teller isn't repsonsible for robbing the bank either? You know becuase the note is at fault.
You teachers don't understand, the public is being aware of your $150K annual paychecks, gold lined contracts and part-time hours.
You saw what was in last years teachers contract. You have no shame that you can benefit from that and that the school district is going to ask for a 3.8% budget increase again? The highest in 4 years.
Why don't you explain our declining performance over the last 4 years in math and science on the Reents exams while you are at it.
I would rather have inquiring/intelligent neighbors like Lisa as opposed to cretins like you are your ilk.
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Thank you for your kind words, Paul.
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No thanks needed. The level of ignorance spouted by the district staff has got to stop. We are not the mindless dolts you think we are. We are learning the truth and enough is enough. $37K to teach one student, even without mandates and cost for private school busing we are still spending 3X what it should cost.
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This is why you should vote NO!
• The Locust Valley school budget has increased over 67% ($30 MILLION) in the last 10 years. The newly adopted budget of $76,571,521.00 will increase it another 3.8%. Enrollment has dropped 6% since 2006 and is expected to drop another 2.5% to 2,060 students next year. The new budget will equal $37,170.00 per student. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby St. Dominic’s private school charges a year, and the district claims they need more. Is this example of greed and waste something we want out children taught? You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children’s expense.
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year. Our Superintendent’s made $294,000.00 last year and has had her pay increased 17% ($43,000.00) since she started in 2008. Her contract also guarantees paid life insurance, 24 vacation and an average 32 sick days each year.
• The average pay for our teachers is $107,000. a year. Teaching has become a part-time job consisting of only 182 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. What’s worse is they only teach 3.3 hours a day as per their contract and get a 3.8% annual increase. A far cry from the same teacher who taught us all day long when we went to school. Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries.
Last, First, Middle Annual Pay Pay Year Title
Teseo, Robert F $152,328.52 2011 Math
Stella, Allen C $151,842.00 2011 Science
Dantuono, Mark J $145,132.48 2011 GYM
Ethe, David J $145,060.47 2011 Social Studies
Hoppner, Christopher J $144,234.68 2011 Science
Margiotta, William R $143,625.36 2011 Music
Rogin, James K $142,621.72 2011 Social Studies
Cannone, Edward M $142,257.72 2011 English
Green, Rachel B $142,058.56 2011 Foreign Language
Mulstay, Mary J $142,046.28 2011 Individual Needs
Mc Andrew, Daniel P $140,198.10 2011 GYM
Cagney, Monica A $135,598.68 2011 4th Grade
Craig, Catherine H $135,300.80 2011 Speech
Gould, Kenneth J $134,716.60 2011 Science
Fuggini, Francis L $133,959.12 2011 Science
Palmer, Elaine M $133,517.66 2011 5th Grade
Aragonesi, Joseph $131,840.46 2011 Enrichment
Kane, Kathleen P $130,975.36 2011 Reading
Buonaspina, Robert $130,642.80 2011 International Bacul
Gordon, Carlyn R $130,413.96 2011 GYM
Miller, Maribeth $130,049.41 2011 GYM
Gurzynski, Walter B $129,475.48 2011 Science
Hendrickson, Mary R $129,364.43 2011 Social Studies
Crici, Vincent D $128,905.64 2011 Music
Murray, Patricia A $128,725.05 2011 Individual Needs
Collins, Carolyn J $128,627.08 2011 GYM
Bender, Denise L $128,548.04 2011 Music
Harrington, Gabrielle E $128,158.94 2011 PASS
LaBella, Barbara E $128,130.87 2011 Enrichment
Mahoski, Shelly L $127,954.62 2011 Math
Beers, Susan M $127,920.00 2011 English
Rogers, Jean M $127,245.92 2011 Science
Medwed, Marjorie J $127,241
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Well put Lisa. Keri what I think you are saying is come forward so we can re-educate you. You too can become a stepford wife. You know me, and we have talked but I reserved my comments because you have made it quite clear how you feel about the budget.
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I will not try to re-educate you. I am in favor of the budget. That should not prevent you from speaking your mind. You should be saying I'm not and here is why.....
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Keri,
Why? So you can batter her about the head and tell her she must hate children, has an axe to grind, some sort of agenda, or that its people like "her" who are going to make your children "lose out" if LVCSD isn't awarded $37,000 per student?
As PTA or PC President, it is YOUR responsibility to create an atmosphere where parents are comfortable questioning expenses without being attacked for asking a question before the budget is approved by the BoE. Don't try and tell me that your PTA/PC is any different than any other PTA/PC everywhere in the country. You brown-nose the administration to curry favor for your own kids and can financially afford to do so. The class warfare created by PTA/PC Executive Boards and the general taxpaying public is worse than Obama and OWS.
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It's hard to believe that you are giving advice about creating any atmosphere that allows both sides to question without being attacked. Your entire response was an attack. And Sharon, if that is your real name, you are just as guilty for labeling a woman who clearly volunteers her time to the school and its students as a "stepford" wife. Grow a pair and speak your mind. Don't blame your cowardice on someone else. Good job ladies - bullying at its finest. Just what we don't want our kids to do.
I'm sure you have no idea about any of the members of our current PC's or the PTA or about how they conduct their meetings.
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Anon,
Apparently you cannot tell the difference between an attack and a defense. Sharon was told by the PTA Royalty:
"You should be saying I'm not and here is why....."
Ergo, my DEFENSE of Sharon was a DEFENSE, NOT an ATTACK. As to creating an atmosphere where both sides can question without being attacked, please refer to www.truthaboutib.com. You can question me via e-mail and I will personally reply to each and every inquiry. Erika and George are the only two BoE Trustees who ever bothered to explore some of my research on IB with an open-mind. Queen Anna never once invited me in to discuss my concerns with IB, even though Jay Mathews of The Washington Post has called me, "the liveliest and most intelligent IB critic in the country."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/09/AR2007100900607.html
How dare you call Sharon a coward. Grow a pair yourself and sign your real name *JACK* and learn to RESPECT a Mom on Mother's Day weekend, you misogynist pig.
The problem with the "status quo" and Progressives in control of the public school system in general, is that they are NOT INTERESTED in listening to constructive criticism, legitimate objections or helpful suggestions if they happen to be "not part of the district's/union's agenda". The PTA's and status quo have successfully BULLIED concerned parents and taxpayers into submission for fear of retribution. That Ron Walsh and Richard Shear, two of the three biggest bullies LVCSD has ever known, gave a joint anti-bullying lecture at Adelphi, is fodder for an SNL skit! The hypocrisy demonstrated by these "role models" is beyond the pale.
NO TRANSPARENCY? NO MO' MONEY FOR YOU, LVCSD!
VOTE NO TWICE!
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That old argument...just like many on this blog I choose not to use my name. I can assure you that it's def. not Jack - wrong gender - or Anna, or any of the other BOE members, teachers or other people you and your cronies are quick to point out.
Your criticism of the system is degrading, given in a condescending tone, and not constructive. You belittle those who support the school and accuse them of being people who they are not. It seemed to me that Sharon was being encouraged to speak her mind and nothing more. Your "defense" included: "You brown-nose the administration to curry favor for your own kids and can financially afford to do so." That's not an attack on someone?
Don't you find it odd that she can't defend her beliefs in person but chooses to to so on here, faceless and, let's be honest, nameless. She's quick to call someone names (stepford wife) on the blog, but can't engage in a discussion about an important issue while in the company of the person? If there are so many people opposed to this budget where were they all when the meetings were going on? I went to a bunch and there was no meeting where anyone got up and said don't give us an increase at all. There is strength in numbers and if there numbers are so many why couldn't they speak their minds?
Do you really believe that the president of the BOE or the superintendent would even think of posting here? I don't doubt that they read the blog, but they would never post here.
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Nice try at deflection, Jack, but I know perfectly well by your "writing style" from the good old days of The Leader forum, that you have no qualms about posting to forums under an anonymous guise. No self-respecting female would write the misogynistic garbage you repeatedly spew.
Stating that PTA/PC Presidents brown-nose the administration in order to curry favor for their own kids and can financially afford to do so is not an attack. It is a statement of fact and the reason for their behavior. Perhaps they can't help themselves. These Mommies want their offspring to be "the popular" kids. They want to make sure that their little darlings get named Student of the Month and "make the cut" for the Varsity teams. In their minds, they're doing what's "best" for their children while claiming to have the interests of ALL of the children at heart. A lot of Moms around here sure could use $600 towards clothes or food for their kids instead of an advertisement in The Leader to raise their already through the roof school taxes!
The only "volunteering" that is appreciated by LVCSD are efforts that line the teachers' pockets or wave pom poms for the budget.
VOTE NO TWICE! 0% TAX INCREASE!
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I am logging on here for the first time because someone told me I will not believe the personal attacks. I cannot believe that in this wonderful community where all parents should stick together regardless of budget votes that you say what you say about people. And the sad part is that you say these things with zero true knowledge of them. Your thoughts on IB, the budget vote, etc are yours to have because you can. But your primitive and angry comments to people are quite simply...pathetic. To me you just seem to be rather bitter and maybe lonely. I don't know but I know I wasn't brought up with much, still do not have much but I continue on. What I do have are children that would be pretty disappointed if I ever acted this way.
And in my opinion, the parents who devote hours of their time raising money for the kids, going on trips, working with the school in many great ways deserve more than your comments of doing it for favors for their kids. I was involved in PC for years and never once did I or anyone I know there ask for or receive favors. Some of these moms work and still devote their time to the school. How sad for you that you choose to live trapped inside your negative mind and dissatisfied heart. My opinion is that maybe you should be more concerned with getting to the source of your obvious emotional bitterness and stop blaming it all on the school. You spend a lot of the on here. Like I tell my kids....GET OFFF THE COMPUTER.
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MyKids,
Welcome to the Bayville Blog! How wonderful of you to share your Monday morning quarterback psycho-analysis with us! We'll take your suggestions under consideration.
Thank you! Come again!
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So does LVCSD have $1.2M MORE in its budget than it "anticipated" on 4/3/12?
Inquiring minds want to know.
VOTE NO TWICE! 0% TAX INCREASE! For the future of our community!
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Well Keri I think it has been stated quite well on the flyers that were handed out at church a month ago, but if you didn't get one I'll copy some of the items from the post above,
• The Locust Valley school budget has increased over 67% ($30 MILLION) in the last 10 years. The newly adopted budget of $76,571,521.00 will increase it another 3.8%. Enrollment has dropped 6% since 2006 and is expected to drop another 2.5% to 2,060 students next year. The new budget will equal $37,170.00 per student. That is more than 4 times the $8,400.00 nearby St. Dominic’s private school charges a year, and the district claims they need more. Is this example of greed and waste something we want out children taught? You are giving up your life’s savings to pay excessive school taxes so school staff can line their pockets at our community and children’s expense.
• The Governor of NY makes $179,000.00 a year. Our Superintendent’s made $294,000.00 last year and has had her pay increased 17% ($43,000.00) since she started in 2008. Her contract also guarantees paid life insurance, 24 vacation and an average 32 sick days each year.
• The average pay for our teachers is $107,000. a year. Teaching has become a part-time job consisting of only 182 days a year compared to 240 days for the typical worker. What’s worse is they only teach 3.3 hours a day as per their contract and get a 3.8% annual increase. A far cry from the same teacher who taught us all day long when we went to school. Go to http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/ to see your teachers and administrators base salaries.
Last, First, Middle Annual Pay Pay Year Title
Teseo, Robert F $152,328.52 2011 Math
Stella, Allen C $151,842.00 2011 Science
Dantuono, Mark J $145,132.48 2011 GYM
Ethe, David J $145,060.47 2011 Social Studies
Hoppner, Christopher J $144,234.68 2011 Science
Margiotta, William R $143,625.36 2011 Music
Rogin, James K $142,621.72 2011 Social Studies
Cannone, Edward M $142,257.72 2011 English
Green, Rachel B $142,058.56 2011 Foreign Language
Mulstay, Mary J $142,046.28 2011 Individual Needs
Mc Andrew, Daniel P $140,198.10 2011 GYM
Cagney, Monica A $135,598.68 2011 4th Grade
Craig, Catherine H $135,300.80 2011 Speech
Gould, Kenneth J $134,716.60 2011 Science
Fuggini, Francis L $133,959.12 2011 Science
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Wrong Anna aka Anon, I am a member and attend most of the meetings. I will stop posting now so as to give myself away. I do not need to be vilified like you have done with others on here.
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Oh Jack (Pig Farmer), what a double standard you exercise. Your quote sounds like a personal attack:
"But your primitive and angry comments to people are quite simply...pathetic."
But I guess it is okay when you do it and not those trying to defend their community and children's future from a school budget that is out control and out of ethics.
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Can we call a time out? I am new to this blog but figured I would do a little research on my own. I am actully an ex-Grumman employee who believes in Math & Science. I went to Newsdays website, here is the link
http://schools.newsday.com/long-island/regents/Chemistry/
and sorted the results for the Chemistry regents based on the top performers. Sadly Locust Valley does horrible. I have attended the BOE meetings and agree that our kids can make great commercials and nice paintings, but what about the technology that made this country what it was? I am not trying to knock artists, I paint as hobby. Take a look at the data. Is this worthy of all the money we spend?
I have to post the results in a second post, they won't fit here.
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Sadly we are so down on the list it doesn't show our school
Jericho Senior High School 0% 2% 38% 60%
Manhasset Secondary School 0% 2% 45% 52%
Great Neck South High School 0% 3% 47% 50%
Ward Melville Senior High School 0% 2% 50% 48%
New Hyde Park Memorial High School 0% 0% 53% 47%
Syosset Senior High School 0% 1% 55% 43%
Mineola High School 0% 4% 54% 42%
Roslyn High School 0% 3% 56% 41%
Cold Spring Harbor High School 0% 3% 57% 40%
Paul D Schreiber Senior High School 1% 3% 56% 40%
Garden City High School 0% 4% 58% 38%
Half Hollow Hills High School East 1% 7% 54% 38%
Mattituck Junior-Senior High School 2% 11% 51% 37%
Huntington High School 2% 7% 55% 36%
Earl L Vandermeulen High School 0% 5% 60% 35%
Great Neck North High School 2% 7% 58% 33%
Mount Sinai High School 0% 8% 59% 33%
Sanford H Calhoun High School 5% 13% 49% 33%
Shelter Island School 0% 0% 67% 33%
South Side High School 2% 10% 55% 33%
Wantagh Senior High School 0% 3% 64% 33%
Wellington C Mepham High School 2% 5% 60% 33%
George W Hewlett High School 0% 9% 59% 32%
Herricks High School 1% 9% 58% 32%
Sayville High School 3% 10% 55% 32%
W Tresper Clarke High School 0% 8% 61% 32%
Half Hollow Hills High School West 1% 7% 61% 31%
John F Kennedy High School 1% 10% 57% 31%
Plainview-Old Bethpage/JFK High School 1% 9% 59% 31%
Wheatley School 0% 4% 65% 31%
Shoreham-Wading River High School 0% 2% 67% 30%
Smithtown High School-West 0% 2% 68% 30%
Babylon Junior-Senior High School 1% 11% 59% 29%
Commack High School 1% 10% 59% 29%
Pierson Middle/High School 1% 6% 63% 29%
East Meadow High School 2% 7% 64% 28%
Northport Senior High School 1% 7% 64% 28%
Harborfields High School 2% 9% 62% 27%
Elwood/John Glenn High School 1% 10% 63% 26%
Floral Park Memorial High School 0% 3% 72% 26%
Valley Stream North High School 1% 8% 66% 25%
Bethpage Senior High School 2% 6% 68% 24%
H Frank Carey High School 2% 8% 66% 24%
Islip High School 2% 6% 68% 24%
Kings Park High School 1% 9% 66% 24%
North Shore Senior High School 3% 8% 65% 24%
Riverhead Senior High School 3% 12% 61% 24%
Comsewogue High School 4% 10% 64% 22%
Division Avenue Senior High School 0% 12% 66% 22%
East Islip High School 0% 6% 72% 22%
Hauppauge High School 1% 14% 62% 22%
Lynbrook Senior High School 1% 15% 62% 22%
Smithtown High School East 0% 5% 74% 22%
Southold Junior-Senior High School 7% 13% 58% 22%
Massapequa High School 1% 8% 70% 21%
Sachem High School North 2% 13% 63% 21%
Hempstead High School 8% 20% 52% 20%
School 7-Oceanside Senior High School 3% 16% 62% 20%
Westhampton Beach Senior High School 5% 13% 61% 20%
Bay Shore Senior High School 0% 18% 63% 19%
Brentwood High School 5% 18% 58% 19%
Carle Place Middle Senior High School 6% 9% 66% 19%
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and finally here we are:
Carle Place Middle Senior High School 6% 9% 66% 19%
Lawrence Senior High School 7% 24% 51% 19%
Long Beach Senior High School 3% 23% 54% 19%
Farmingdale Senior High School 4% 20% 59% 18%
Island Trees High School 1% 15% 66% 18%
Miller Place High School 2% 15% 64% 18%
Sachem High School East 2% 13% 67% 18%
Seaford Senior High School 2% 13% 67% 18%
Southampton High School 4% 19% 59% 18%
West Islip Senior High School 1% 15% 66% 18%
Bayport-Blue Point High School 3% 14% 65% 17%
Hicksville High School 6% 14% 63% 17%
Lindenhurst Senior High School 3% 18% 62% 17%
Locust Valley High School 7% 12% 64% 17%
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Bill,
I thought that perhaps, maybe, possibly, LVHS had a sizable number of students enrolled in IB HL Chemistry. So I checked:
http://truthaboutib.com/images/LVHS_IB_2011.pdf
Oh dear. Only a 33.3% pass rate. 3 out of 9 students.
You have clearly identified a very weak subject area.
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It's not just chemistry, it seems to be most math and science subjects. I must admit that I haven't voted in years but I will this year. I am just trying to better understand what is really going on at our school and if I shoul support it.
Here is the link again, http://schools.newsday.com/long-island/regents/Chemistry/
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On May 10th Obama Signed another Executive Order
Posted on May 11, 2012 by Henry Shivley
Premier Obama has signed yet another executive order, this one is Identifying and Reducing Regulatory Burdens, that when coupled with his Executive Order Promoting International Regulatory Cooperation and Executive Order Establishing a White House Council on Strong Cities, Strong Communities, opens a direct path to bring United Nations regulations to the grass roots of our body politic.
This latest executive order will allow the soviet socialists in our local communities through their committees to adopt and enact United Nations regulations designed to establish absolute United Nations’ control over our every resource.
The laws of the United States, individual states, counties, cities, and local municipalities, under our Constitution must be legislated. These executive orders bypass the legislative process and essentially nullify our representative form of government under the guise of allowing us to voice our opinion in reference to new regulation rather than enforce our will through elected representation.
The international soviet socialists have been failing to enact international regulatory policies like the Kyoto Protocol through the legislative process because the legislators know that if they enact any more laws to further cripple our economy they will be ousted and replaced at the next election.
Barack Obama AKA Barry Soetoro AKA Barry the Rat is an international socialist and that is where his priorities lie. Obama, in violation of our Constitution, became the first sitting President of the United States to Chair the UN Security Council. He has been given an assignment by the United Nation’s Politburo and that assignment is to bring the United States into the one world socialist order, using every means at his disposal.
If one examines these three executive orders closely, Obama’s agenda becomes clear. The international socialists, known as the United Nations, are worming their way into our political system at every level. Through the local socialist committees that will be assembled, local commissars will be elected.
These commissars, working in coalition with state and local agencies and sovereign nations/Indian Tribes, will attempt to initiate UN dictatorship over our lands, both private and public. And through regulation of the land, they will attempt to establish dictatorial control over the actions of we the people.
This is a sneak attack and it will not be publicized in the mainstream media. You will know these words are true when you see the soviet socialists in your area seizing control over your public and private lands using regulatory powers derived directly from the United Nations Agenda 21.
God bless the Republic, death to the international corporate mafia, we shall prevail.
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Bill got me thinking. How did LVHS's Regents Physics results compare to Roosevelt HS?
http://schools.newsday.com/long-island/regents/Physics/
-55 55-64 65-84 85-100
Locust Valley High School
10% 7% 56% 28%
Roosevelt High School
0% 0% 71% 29%
Oh but wait, we had 18 students enrolled in IB SL Physics! That must REALLY count for something, right?
Despite the fact that MOST universities do not even recognize IB SL for college credit, there are a few that do, but only with scores of '6' or '7'. So how many of those 18 students earned a '6' or '7'? Two.
How much does Mr. Stella get paid, again? Oh yes, $150,000+. Are our students getting our money's worth?
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Considering LVCSD's PR person, Pam Kaplan's "brainchild" to use a left-wing online petition to generate "support" for LVCSD, and considering said petition has not gained a single new signature in weeks (still at 144), does anyone else believe this position deemed a failure and cut?
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/parents/advocate_for_mandate_relief
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There is something far worse than LV's IB programs, science scores, and the superintendent's salary. It's called lack of moral values and lack of discipline. Rumor has it that the children in this district are talking about sex and sexual acts before they even reach middle school, kids are getting injured on the playgrounds due to a severe lack of supervision, bullying is alive and well and nothing is being done to prevent it, problem children and special needs children are allowed to stay in the regular classrooms and are distracting students while the teachers let it go on....making the kids that want to learn, suffer. The principal at Bayville intermediate is a phony. He has pulled the wool over everyone's eyes from day one. He's a wolf in sheeps clothing and lacks the morals a true leader should have. LV also decided to keep an accused child molester on the payroll. This is a man who sought out this district because LV doesn't perform background checks. They hired him because just like the principal, this district loves hiring wolves in sheeps clothing. Oh, and I almost forgot.......TONS drug use in this district. TONS of it........
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Don't you believe that parents are in some way responsible for any of this? Bullies learn their behavior from someone. Shouldn't parents be responsible for drug use too?? You can't pin those two things on the school.
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Let's see, I need to make a decision on who the believe:
US News
The Washington Post
Jay Mathews - one of the leading educational journalist
Harvard Dean of Admissions
Yale Dean of Admissions
Cornell Dean of Admissions
Stanford Dean of Admissions
Duke Dean of Admissions
or
Lisa
Paul and his alias
Now this is a real hard choice.
Congratulations to the students, teachers, support staff, administrators and Superintendents at South Side, Jericho, Commack and especially our special district Locust Valley on their outstanding accomplishments.
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http://www.newsday.com/share/1.3706969
Read it and weep.
Wow!!
LV IN THE TOP 100 SCHOOLS IN THE COUNTRY.
Three of the four best schools on LI are IB schools and South Side an IB school is #1 on LI.
I guess all the admission directors at the colleges and universities who praise IB are right after all.
The great part is this story is all over the national press.
Congratulations to our fine students!!!!!
Congratulations Dr. Hunderfund. You did it for Jericho and now you are doing it for LV.
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Locust Valley ranking as a top 100 nationally ranked high school is all over the national media. Not only Newsday, but the NYT, USA Today and WSJ has short blurbs.
Quite an accomplishment and credit to our students.
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Anonymous,
These lame-stream media rankings mean about as much as Barack Hussein Obama's Nobel Peace Prize. LVCSD gets a Gold Shield for dumbing-down its students and Obama gets a Nobel for the most U.S. soldiers killed in Afghanistan in a single year and engaging in war on Libya without Congressional approval. All hail the UN!
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Anonymous wrote:
Let's see, I need to make a decision on who the believe:
US News
The Washington Post
Jay Mathews - one of the leading educational journalist
Harvard Dean of Admissions
Yale Dean of Admissions
Cornell Dean of Admissions
Stanford Dean of Admissions
Duke Dean of Admissions
or
Lisa
Paul and his alias
Now this is a real hard choice.
Congratulations to the students, teachers, support staff, administrators and Superintendents at South Side, Jericho, Commack and especially our special district Locust Valley on their outstanding accomplishments.
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The Emperor has no clothes!
Phony rankings, phony praise, all driven by the teacher's union and Progressives.
When's the last time LVHS sent a kid to MIT?
Figure out a way to do better than Roosevelt HS in Chemistry on $35,000 per student and THEN ask us for mo'money!
VOTE NO TWICE!
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I think it would mean more if our kids could score competetively on the Regents. Our regents score are proof that Anna must be fired for what she has done to this district.
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Well stated Patriot, schools can either fosster a moral growth or discourage it. I thought I was the only one who noticed the BI Principal was a bit of a con man. I heard him making excuses after one of the standardized tests for English about how hard it was and those poor kids didn't stand a chance. After seeing what Bill posted about our perfomance on the Regents it is clear we need to change something. That something starting with Anna and Jack.
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Looks like our kids and us are not getting what we pay for. Is anyone from he district going to respond to my post? Anna> Jack, Annon....anyone?
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I see John Benstock at the Bayville library all the time. We are paying $117K a year in pay to him so he cab hang out all day. I can only imagine how much his legal fees are at this point. Great contract you allow these teachers to get away with Anna and Jack. He should have been suspended without pay and his salary escrowed in case he is proven innocent. If he is convicted that is the first crime, the second is him getting paid by the taxpayers for it. This is a great district.....if you are a criminal.
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Hopefully he's taking advantage of the mental wellness coverage in his health care policy which we are also paying for.
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What do you mean "if he is convicted that is the first crime"? do you feel he is innocent? As for being suspended without pay, I don't think the district can do that legally, without facing a costly legal battle. Nothing has been proven. The laws are the laws in this one.
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And I'm sure his going to trial won't have any emotional affect on his wife who is also employed to teach LVCSD children.
How many husband and wife teaching teams are left in LVCSD? I remember the Barrys the Knights, the Kreisburgs, the Benstocks, any others?
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Mary, please re-read what you wrote. You question me for not convicting Benstock before a trial and then you tell me the district can't do anything becuase "nothing has proven".
The district can write a contract that protects the taxpayers and all they have to is say is "it's for the children".
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Lisa,
The fund balance you speak of is at zero. The funds went into reserves. From my understanding of the multiply meetings I went to, the district is audited by at least three different companies. If there were an issue someone would catch it. Get off your soap box. The more you attack people the less believable you are.
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Joan,
I know LVCSD claims the AFB is at $0. I distinctly remember questioning where that money went last year. But Newsday claims it was $600,000. Another typo? The dates on the summary section are incorrect - the $73M budget was last year's, 11-12, not 10-11.
http://schools.newsday.com/long-island/districts/locust-valley/
There has been no audit between April 3rd and today, so don't give me that "somebody would have caught it crap". I am pointing directly to the 4/3/12 Board Action statement by Mr. Dolce and the budget summary, when it comes to State Aid. So which facts are correct?
So you are saying Newsday is wrong about the $600,000 and Jack lied about State Aid declining? So in other words, both Newsday and the Board President falsely reported these two line items?
No soapbox. Just very fair, $1.2M questions.
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Lisa,
The 2010/11 School year financial statements, WHICH ARE AUDITED shows the AFB being reduced to zero and the $1.5m being put into reserves split between the Capital and Repair reserve.YOU should FOIL the financial statements and audit as I did before shooting off your mouth. As always you lie and lie and lie.
If one takes the time to open the NEWSDAY link you find out THE AFB they list is from the 2010/11 school year not 2011/12 as you stated. Of course the actual amount as presented on all financial records and audited was actually $1.5m
Mr. Dolce's statement referencing state aid cutbacks were from 2007/08 to 2012/13. You know this since you referenced the Board's actions from THE April 3th which clearly states this
"Mr. Dolce commented on State aid reductions, indicating that New York City and downstate suburbs,
including Long Island, give more tax revenue to Albany than they receive back in State-funded expenditures.
In comparing regional State aid from 2007/2008 to 2012/2013, the Long Island region has seen a 4.24%
reduction in State aid, with the LVCSD experiencing a 16.14% reduction in aid."
but you choose to misrepresent the statement and give the impression it was year over year. State aid in 2007/08 was budgeted at $3.2m and came in at $3.6m. (I have copies of the Budget, you should FOIL THEM) State aid for 2012/13 was projected as the same as 2011/12 at $2.6m until the end of April when the state dramatically announced it would increase aid. LV then increased its aid revenue to $2.9m.
In summary Jack never lied about state aid falling. He said state aid fell from 2007/08 ($3.6m) to 2012/13 and it did, and in fact, by at least 16%. Second the audited statements show the AFB reduced from $1.5m to zero and the money put into reserves.
FOIL the information. And if you really think something unseemly happened bring it to the attention of the authorities. If not stop shooting off your mouth and making false accusations.
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Thank you Truth for helping me out. I so wanted to respond but, today was my Mother's Day, not tomorrow, so I was unable to respond until now. You did a great job explaining everything.
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First of all, I see that LVCSD won Jodre's lawsuit against them so Anna could hire her friend to be the AP at the HS. How much did that cost us in legal fees? http://www.courts.state.ny.us/reporter//pdfs/2011/2011_31076.pdf
Second of all,I should not have to FOIL basic budget information. This is a deliberate attempt by LVCSD to obfuscate and conflate the numbers and the numbers don't add up. Why doesn't LVCSD actually SHOW the 2010-2011 numbers on the summary where the appropriated fund balance is listed when it does in every other section?
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Budget_Information/Budget_SummaryFinal.pdf
Thirdly, the Newsday figures ARE for 2011-2012, not 2010-2011, and I think Newsday may have gotten that $600,000 # and the 2.9% from HERE:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_Actions/June_2011_Actions.pdf
2011-2012 Locust Valley Central School District Budget
Dr. Anna Hunderfund presented an overview of the following Budget Re-Vote Goals:
No impact to educational programs
A budget not to exceed 2.9% increase with consideration given to keeping the tax levies below
5.81% and the appropriated fund balance at or below $600,000, preferably at $0
It was a 2.7% increase, NOT a 2.9% increase as reported by Newsday, correct?
Fourthly, if you look at the NYS report card, you will see that in 2010-2011, LVCSD had 2167 students which Newsday reports as the enrollment for 2009-2010:
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/AOR-2011-280503060000.pdf
http://schools.newsday.com/long-island/districts/locust-valley/
Fifthly, nowhere is your $3.6M Stae Aid number mentioned in the Board Actions. In fact, the following data shows that State Aid in 2007 was $3.04M.
http://www.almanac.cc/Nassau2007DistrictPdfs/Nassau%20Finance/LOCUST%20VALLEY/LOCUST%20VALLEY%20Finance%20Estimates%20Screen.pdf
That's no 16.14% drop to $2.9M. As I said, your claims simply do not add up.
And sixthly, when student ENROLLMENT declines, as a rule, so does State Aid. However, LVCSD is receiving $300,000 MORE than it did last year (11-12, $2.6M) despite declining enrollment.
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You don't have to FOIL 2011/12 and 2012/12 budget numbers they are online. And you don't have to foil PRIOR years if you have records. If you don't you can FOIL THEM. Quite reasonable.
On the 20110/2011 Summary the budget shows the numbers for expenses ONLY, NOT REVENUES and the APB is a revenue. THE BUDGET IS CONSISTENT.
Read the Newsday link carefully the AFB is listed for 20110/11.. Other items are listed for 2011/12 but not the AFB.
Yes, it says the budget would not exceed 2.9% and it didn't and the Appropriate Fund Balance would not exceed $600k and preferably be 0, and it was 0.
The actual budget for 2007/08 shows state aid at $3,225,000, and the actual aid that was given at $3,646,913. I have all budget records going back to 2003/04. If you didn't keep records FOIL them. I use primary source data. the information presented was consistent with budget records and if fact conservative. If you feel something is inappropriate notify the authorities.
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Foil it! Then there is no disputing it is there? No.
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As the great George Martin said "you know nothing Jon Snow".
It amazes me how little the posters to this blog know about labor law, contract law, and NY State Education Law. Under Ed Law you can not suspend, firme or otherwise discipline a tenured teacher without due process. The LVCSD can not take any action against the music teacher until there is a 3020a hearing which won't happen until the conclusion of his criminal case.
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Well hello John, I heard you frequent the blog. Any update on trial? Have they started the pre-trial motions yet?
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I didn't think the blogger who asked the question about the reserve numbers not adding up was accusing anyone. Seemed she just wanted to know where it went. More importantly, why should we have to FOIL for information that should be forthcoming. I've never heard of that before. Isn't this our school district, or does it really belong to the unions like they say?
p.s. Being audited doesn't mean a damm thing. Get your head out of your a*s. Enron and Rosyln both had regular audits and everything was squeaky clean.
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The blogger , Lisa,that asked the question has every right to ask the question. If she want the truth she knows what to do do, she's been around along time like me. She just like to stir the pot. You are new to this Bill. You've been away and now your back.
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Just sounded like a question to me, not stirring the pot. Maybe the school wouldn't be in such a fiscal mess if more people questioned things. They threatened to cancel my grandaughters fall class because they want more money. Something is not right here, not accusing anyone, just saying something is not here. Night now, be well all.
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The information is public but if one didn't keep copies they can FOIL old information.
Audits are usually very reliable, especially with three different audit firms, and especially with information as basic and visible as the AFB, However, if one believes there is something unethical and illegal taking place they should report it to the authorities. However, I think this is just a bunch of hot air.
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I have to agree that I don't believe the district should be accused of any financial mismanagement. Ever since the Roslyn scandal the state has cracked down and audits happen, if I'm not mistaken. I also seem to remember that our credit rating was upgraded at some point in time over the past year or so.
To whoever was posting about science and scores - Do you think the scores are low because the school lets anyone take whatever class they want? I'm not sure of the educational lingo used to identify this practice but it has something to do with kids being pushed to take certain classes due to their academic level. In the past, kids that had trouble learning may not have been offered physics but something like environmental science instead. Now, any kid can take any class they want, including college-level classes. Do you think that may have an affect on the grades?
Also, in only the past few year, our school finally began a science research program. We had never had one before. Some of the students did well this year (say it on the website). We also have Lego Robotics at the elementary school and the middle school. The kids have done really well there too.
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Anon,
Back in the 90's, we had a cooperative science research program with Cold Spring Harbor Laboratories. I know this for a fact because the late Lenice Hertweck established it. In 1998, I featured LVHS student Chian Chuu in my Sciencemania assembly for the Bayville students. Ms. Chuu was an Intel semi-finalist. Open enrollment may partially account for the miserable IB math and science scores, but certainly do not explain why the Regents exam results are WORSE than Roosevelt HS!
Living environment? Do you really want to go there?
Locust Valley High School
5% 6% 62% 27%
Roosevelt Middle School
3% 0% 51% 46%
http://schools.newsday.com/long-island/regents/Environment/
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Definately hot air just meant to take the focus away from the fact that the LV high school is all over the media as one the best schools in the nation.
Congratulations to the students, teachers, support staff, administrators and Superintendent.
It seems Dr. Hunderfund is doing for LV in four years what she did for Jericho in fifteen.
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Yes, let's DEFINITELY focus on the phony lamestream media ranking systems and ignore the ACTUAL miserable Regents exam results.
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20120512/NEWS01/305110052/Schools-meeting-new-tax-levy-cap
"Fairport Central is cutting the International Baccalaureate program at its high school"
Oh look! Another NY district thinks cutting IB is a smart move! Imagine that!
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Keri, can you tell me why you and many other parents feel our teachers are the best and seemingly deserve all the money they want, yet they produce students that can't beat Roosevelt on the Regents exams?
I guess I see why the teachers are afraid of NY's new mandate to judge them based on student performance. Looks like we may have some teachers fleeing to Roosevelt.
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Why would you tell such an outrageous lie. You loose all credibility. Below is the link listing the Regents scores. You and your group lose all credibility with such silly statements.
ROOSEVELT LV
Regents Diploma 64 99
Advanced Regents Diploma 4 78
English 74 98
Integrated algebra 48 92
geometry 31 90
algebra 2 11 74
Global History 57 99
US History 76 99
living environment 67 92
earth science 27 99
chemistry 30 82
100 (7 of 276 took test ) 84
https://reportcards.nysed.gov/schools.php?district=800000049648&year=2011
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Please learn the difference between a "lie" and a Long Island newspaper misreporting data.
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https://reportcards.nysed.gov/files/2010-11/CIR-2011-280503060000.pdf
Below are the actual Regent passing (65%) percents as reported by NYS. The numbers for LV are exceptional. In all cases the numbers are among the top 20'%, on LI., many on the top 10-12%, World History and US History the school was #1 -- higher than South Side and Jericho. The link is above for all to verify.
Regents Graduation Rate 99%
Advanced Regents graduation Rate general education students 88%
Advanced regents graduation rate, including special needs students 78%
English 98%
Integrated algebra 92%
Geometry 90%
Trigonometry 74%
Global History 99%
Chemistry 82%
Living Environment 92%
Physcics 84%
Earth Science 99%
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Very good, Fact Checker. Thank you for proving that Newsday has messed up the numbers in yet another section of its schools report:
http://schools.newsday.com/long-island/regents/Environment/
You see, I never use Newsday as a CREDIBLE source, but cited it here because the LVCSD cheerleaders were gushing all over themselves with regards to Newsday's reporting on the district.
Sometimes it takes a little "shock value" to wake people up around here.
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Left out lv US History graduation rate 99%
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Why can't any of you say, "Gee, Lisa, those Newsday numbers DON'T correspond to the NYS Report Cards OR the LVCSD budget Summary?
Why can't you admit that Jack Dolce incorrectly reported (fearmongered) a 16% decrease in State Aid over 5 years when there was a $300,000 INCREASE over LAST year?
Why doesn't LVCSD report the 2010-2011 Appropriated Fund Balance, leaving us now to ponder (based on Newsday's inaccurate reporting?) whether $1.5M or $600,000 was "sent to the reserves" last year.
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I provided a link for my question, please respond to my post and stop the wild goose chase. Please try and answer one question before you start another thread.
Here is the link again, http://schools.newsday.com/long-island/regents/Chemistry/
Please answer, why do we so poorly on math and science?
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Why don't you stop wasting everyone's time and answer a simple question. Why do we perform so poorly in math and science against other schools. Save me the BS stat of kids passing. A lousy 65% will get you a passing grade, but other schools score much higher than us.
http://schools.newsday.com/long-island/regents/Chemistry/
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Tomorrow is voting day! I hope all of you mothers had a lovely Mother's Day. It's good to see that LVCSD was only able to muster a single additional signature on its left-wing petition, now at 145:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/parents/advocate_for_mandate_relief
For all of the Keris who read this blog, I know there's nothing that will convince you that your children will "lose out" if the budget is defeated. I will simply request that you look past your immediate self-gratification and consider the plight of LVCSD graduates who are burdened with student loans and have less than a 50% chance of landing a job. Think of the families and seniors who are scraping by to make their ever increasing mortgage payments every month. What will they "lose out" on because they now have to lay out over $10,000 a year in taxes? At this rate, LVCSD teachers will be part of the 1% in less than 10 years. Is that acceptable to you? Do you want YOUR children to be able to buy a house one day in this area? Should they have to pay $20-25,000 in taxes for a little 3 BR house? Because if LVCSD keeps going at this rate, that's exactly what they will pay.
Think about it. Why is Mr. Stella making $150,000 (who I believe started with the district in 2000) while Sheri Blask, who has been with us since the 80's "only" making $125,000? Because the "starting" salary for teachers in LVCSD has risen out of proportion to the COL index. Even the mandated Steps don't correct this imbalance.
A cap on teacher's salaries needs to be imposed. $100,000 cap for public school teachers is more than reasonable. We also need to reduce the entry level pay. For the children.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/05/schools-perplexed-by-their-high-us-news-world-report-rankings/257129/
But not LVCSD! Our district runs around waving its phony USNWR ranking like a cheap whore with tassels on her pasties!
VOTE NO TWICE! ONLY YOU CAN KEEP OUR TAX INCREASE AT 0%!
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Lisa, as classy as ever, you seem to know a lot about tassels.
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Hey! I'm not the one swinging those tassels in everyone's face!
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From: valerie friedman
To: HSPARENTCOUNCIL
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 5:26 pm
Subject: US NEWS HAS RANKED LOCUST VALLEY # 99 OUT OF 22,000 HIGH SCHOOLS
Dear Parents,
Please click on the link below to view the recently published US News High School rankings. Locust Valley has jumped ahead to be ranked 99th out of 22,000 schools. We are 4th on Long Island. This is something of which to be very proud.
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-highschools/new-york/rankings
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Gee...sounds like Locust Valley story. US News gives us the hollow accolade but our kids can barely pass the regents.
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And in the real news, Locust Valley scores miserably in the Chemistry / Phyics and Math Regents against other schools. Can you explain this Valerie? What are we paying for? A fluff article in the US News or actual regents scores that don't measure up?
http://schools.newsday.com/long-island/regents/Chemistry/
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go to the State report card! Newsday has it wrong.
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WHAT? The lamestream media got it wrong? Noooooooooo, impossible! Pam Kaplan better get on Newsday and demand a correction, dontcha think?
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Please vote yes, I need to hire extra staff at my East Quogue estate. Oh yes, it's for my kids. Uh...I mean the kids.
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Joan, I was considerate enough to provide an exact link showing the school by school comparison. I have not found such a link on the state website. I have seen our scores drop over the last 4 years though on the state sight though.
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tomorrow i will proudly VOTE NO in order to keep our school taxes from going up. i see no reason why $35,000 per student is not enough to provide our kids with an excellent education.
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Remember, just because your school district is only proposing a 2% increase over last years budget does not mean that your actual percentage rate increase wont be double, or even triple that proposed rate. Their proposed increase does NOT take into consideration "exempt" items, like teacher raises, medical benefits, and unfunded retirement costs. Those costs are NOT included in your school's proposed budget. THEY ARE IN ADDITION TO IT. Don’t be fooled... 2% does not mean 2% !!
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You are wrong. Employee raises are not exempt from the tax cap calculations. The only thing you vote on is the tax levy, your individual taxes may go up or down depending upon how your assessed evaluation changes in comparison to others in the district. So even if the value of your house goes up your taxes could go down if others go up more. Likewise your value of your house could go down but your taxes could go up if others go down even more. Once the budget is adopted and approved by the voters the amount of the tax levy does not change.
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You are wrong. Employee raises are not exempt from the tax cap calculations. The only thing you vote on is the tax levy, your individual taxes may go up or down depending upon how your assessed evaluation changes in comparison to others in the district. So even if the value of your house goes up your taxes could go down if others go up more. Likewise your value of your house could go down but your taxes could go up if others go down even more. Once the budget is adopted and approved by the voters the amount of the tax levy does not change.
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Pat, it worse than that. The actual budegt increase as stated by the district is 3.8% and the cost per homeowner will increase as the value of house goes up. Remember, real estate is in a slump now but it will go up and as a result so will the tax they collect based on the value of your house.
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Very well stated, I am sure our GYM teacher would do just as good as a job if he made $100K instead of the $145K he makes now. The teachers motivation should be "the children" not the cash!
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9:00 AM - IB battle in NH, listen live on NHPR:
http://www.nhpr.org/post/international-baccalaureate
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LI home prices continue downward
And the decline continues......at least our school taxes are going up.
http://www.newsday.com/classifieds/real-estate/li-home-prices-continue-downward-1.3717832
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Hmmm ... that 24" x 30" enlargement of the Newsday headline & story taped to the brick wall directly next to the door to enter the Polling place sure does push the envelope as to what constitutes "electioneering".
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I hope you ripped it down.
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No. But I did take a picture of it.
http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/iblocustvalleyny.html
Apparently, the Nassau County Board of Elections does not oversee school votes when it comes to electioneering. I have been advised to call the District Clerk. I'm sure that will be terribly effective.
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I know there are rules on placement of materials. Isn't it 100 feet or is it yards from polling location? If it is far enough away, it's OKAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mary,
Did you look at the picture? It is at the entrance to the polls, NOT 100 ft. away! I have no problem with the one up the road on the fence by the Vote sign. But taping it RIGHT AT THE DOOR to the polls is a clear attempt to influence.
I called our district clerk who was unable to respond to my inquiry. I asked her to have the district's attorney give me a call. I've yet to hear back.
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Just voted - No, No and No. Get out the vote.
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The Locust Valley 2012-2013 School budget has passed.
Voting results are as follows:
Yes:1652
No:1098
Suzanne Sgueglia and Erika Bruno have been re-elected for three year terms to the Board of Education.
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/News/#5596
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I can guarantee that those poll numbers are as legitimate as my birth certificate.
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Personal thanks to ALEX/JOHN/RYAN/PAUL and all you outside agitators who have probably already crawled under your rock for making this the biggest margin of victory in the history of the LVCSD.
Naturally, a special thanks to Lisa whose outrageous statement always contribute to a greater margin of defat.
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Hey Alex where are your smart as# remarks now. You are hiding under your rock. Remember you challenged Dolce for a Board position. Step forward you phony coward!!!
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Really jack, you have the nerve to call me a phony coward when you don' have the balls to post under yourreal name. You are the one who lacks a moral compass. I heard you are afraid to run next year. I guess you know the house of cards you built will be ready to fall down soon.
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Congratulations, LVCSD! Now you can continue to pay a child molester $117,000 and get busy re-writing your curriculum K-12 to meet the Commie Core Standards.
This country has gone to hell in a handbasket. At least 1,096 LVCSD residents other than my husband and myself had the brains to vote NO.
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The school has to pay Benstock whether the budget passes or not Lisa. You know that. You've been around long enough. Just a question...Did LVCSD ask for the Commie Core Standards? NO!! Sorry you don't like IB. Clean up your house so it can be sold! Or do you plan on starting your Vote Down the 2013-2014 Budget Campaign today?
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So Happy,
Have you been in my house? Who the F are you to tell me to "clean it up"? I've run open houses twice a month for a year now. Only one Realtor made a recommendation regarding an interior improvement, which we made. I clean my house top to bottom before every open house. The grounds are maintained. After spending 22 years in this house, I'll wait for the right buyer to come along who appreciates a 107 year old house and oversized property. It took a year and half for the lovely stone Tudor on Bayville Avenue to sell. Of course, now that my taxes will rise above $9,000, it's going to be that much more difficult to sell.
Btw, I'd hardly call my postings to the Bayville Blog a "campaign". If I was intent on campaigning against the budget, I would have invested in signage and taken out full page ads in The Leader like Keri did.
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Thank you Mr.Dolce. A top 100 National School and a super majority budget victory.
Alex, back under your rock, you coward. If you had anything worthwhile to say you have done so in public.
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Hahaha! The first thing I said to my husband when I saw the 60%-40% results was, "I bet Jack Dolce is saying, "Damn, we could have bilked them for more money!"
LVCSD only got 60% of the vote because they stayed under the tax cap. To assume that LVCSD would have gotten a "super majority" if it proposed a budget that exceeded the tax cap is not only unbelievable arrogant, it is incredibly ignorant.
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This blog is a public forum you nitwit. I have made my statements quite clear and backed them up by facts. Sadly the lack of ethics and lies has misled the public once again.
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The original goal of SaveBayville was to stop viloation of the tax cap. Our public awareness campaign forced the district to reign in their spending and stay within the cap. We are happy for that victory.
We are saddened that the people responsible for educating our children and providing a role model chose to lie and mislead the public.
We wish to thank all our volunteers and will be continuing the fight against future incompetance and lies from our school district.
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Lisa, the slime and their ilk who hide against anonymous names hardly deserve a response. They are true bottom dwellers. Like their colleague John Benstock who allegedly uses children for his gratification, so do they.
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Prayers for Paul, obviously a lost and misguided soul.
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Hi Paul, this is Patriot. I posted under the name Joey to show you that even real names like Joey and Paul can be used as monikers on a blog. Understand?
Next time you compare people who post on blogs under an assumed name with child molesters, you will force me to change my name patriot permanently to "Travolta".
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I am not comparing bloggers or school staff to child molesters. I was trying to say like Benstock who (allegedly) used children for his benefit, our school staff uses children for their (financial) benefit. Got it.
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Paul,
Ah. I misread your post as including me with the slime and their ilk, and I suppose it is those folks we should be praying for.
Thank you for your clarification.
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I get the impression that 700 of the votes were placed after 9PM
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What makes you say that?
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Hey! Maybe next year LVCSD can push spending up to $40,000 per student and set a national record! Yeah for higher taxes! Yeah for lower home prices! Yeah for the dumbing down of our students! Yeah for $150,000 teachers! Yeah for supporting UNESCO terrorists! Yeah for internationalmindedness!
My husband said when he went to vote, the 3 people in front of him each took 5,3, and 5 minutes in the voting booth. Now I ask you, what the heck were they doing in there?
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Largest margin of victory in Bayville's history (62%)
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Also some of the biggest lies in Bayville history from Jack and Anna.
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Poor boy, the truth hurts. It wasn't just a win, it was a landslide.
Our community is quite smart, name calling just won't work. Did you notice the top three high schools in the country are IB schools. The top two were recently feathered on 60 Minutes. It is the future.
Anna built Jericho and now LV.
Still, I will not dispute the helpful role your nasty comments played in the landslide. Thank you.
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Anna didn't build Jericho, you boob. Superintendent Grishman who has been ther for what, over 20 years now? Grishman built and maintains the highest levels of achievement at Jericho! Anna was in the position that She eliminated in this district that Judy Marino was last serving in. Judy Marino is a stand-up professional whom I have known since Kindergarten. If you had lured Grishman from Jericho, that would have been a coupe. Instead, you hired a "spot-filler" who lacks the management skills of a Grishman.
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So Judy is your friend Lisa? What happened to posting under your own nane.
Ask the Jericho teachers who built Jericho
It seems the success of IB is unraveling you.
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Judy and I were friends in elementary and high school, just as I was friends with the late Marie Colvin, the Sunday Times reporter killed in Syria. We were all in Girl Scouts together, Judy was more quiet, studious and reserved, Marie was always adventurous, brilliant and funny. My Mom was the troop leader for a few years. We were in some of the same Honors classes in HS. I watched Judy's family live in 3 different homes, from East Norwich to Brookville. I'm sure you are aware that Judy's Dad is the late NY Senator (R) Ralph Marino. We are all the Class of '74, as is Lee Ranaldo of the group Sonic Youth, a very dear friend of mine in HS. After HS, the only one I have had contact with as an adult has been Lee and then Judy when she was hired by LVCSD. How I wish I had had a chance to meet up again with Marie, laughing and alive, rather than at her funeral.
Oyster Bay wisely rejected IB years ago. They visited Dobbs Ferry. They decided it was too expensive, too imposing and unnecessary.
But speaking of IB Unraveled, this is a terrific paper by my Asian American friend in Arizona, Debra Niwa:
http://truthaboutib.com/images/IB_Unraveled_3.28.10_Niwa.pdf
I got bored with posting under my own name. Why should I?
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Correction - it was technically Muttontown, not Brookville where the Marinos moved to.
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Hey Anonymous ..... didja git the double entendre of my use of the tag "Name Dropper" for the above post?
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I was curious about the critieria for being in IB? What are the standards? How are students placed at LVHS?
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IB is an open enrollment program. Most students take Honors English in 9th and 10 th grade and then move on to IB. If they do not choose to go into the program the go into English Regents classes with many electives available to round out their experience.
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Dear New to Town,
Thank you for expressing an interest in the rigorous IB programme at LVHS! There are no standards to meet or pre-qualifications necessary to enroll in IB. The only thing required is that your child is motivated to become a lifelong learner who wants to obtain critical thinking skills. Your child should be open-minded, caring, compassionate and a risk-taker. He or she should also possess the desire to be an internationallyminded world citizen. If your child does not want to commit to the full IB Diploma (which consists of 3 HL, 3SL, TOK, EE and CAS) then he or she may take a single IB Certificate course and be considered an IB Certificate Candidate. You don't have to worry about the initial $237 IB exam fee because LVCSD generously passed that cost on to the taxpayers. Your child will receive an IB Certificate automatically, as long as he or she writes their name on the exam. You know, I've heard that college admissions officers are so impressed by the initials IB on a child's HS transcript that it doesn't matter if they fail the IB exams or fail to earn the Diploma. Just seeing "IB" will make them throw all those applications with AP Scholars with Distinction in the garbage and grab your child instead! Of course, when your child submits their work to IBO for assessment, they basically give up their intellectual property rights to that material to IBO, for IBO to anonymize and use for any purpose it deems "appropriate", but hey, what an honor THAT would be, right?
www.truthaboutib.com
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Just so you are aware, unless it has been changed, LVCSD Board of Education Policy requires the school to run an AP course if 8 or more students sign up for it. If your child has friends who are interested in a particular college-level course such as AP Calculus AB or BC, please get their parents to put it in writing and submit it to the Guidance Department and the Board of Education for approval. I guess the Principal should also be made aware of the request.
One other thing, little known by parents, if your child would like to pre-test on a Regents exam and scores an 85 or higher, the State will award them seat credit and they can skip that course, making room for more advanced studies as Regents is the most basic level of study offered.
LVHS currently only offers 3 AP courses, only one in 11th grade. However, if a student passes 3 or more AP exams by the end of their junior year, they could already be an AP Scholar by the time they begin applying for college in the fall of their senior year. By contrast, 5/6ths of the IB exams are administered at the end of the senior year, long after colleges have made their decisions regarding admission. In fact, the IB Diploma results don't even come out until July 5th or so, so your kid could go through LVCSD Graduation ceremony as an IB Diploma Candidate with that special sash and all, but still fail to get the IB Diploma. But it LOOKS like he or she got the IB Diploma and that's all that matters in LVCSD. It's all about public "image.
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Oh yeah. One more thing. IB eliminated any 11th & 12th grade Honors courses so they invented this cockamamie thing called "Honors by Achievement". It adds 3 pts. to a Regents class's GPA, but nobody really seems to know what it is, the teachers and Guidance kick the kids back and forth with it, and it's really not worth the hassle.
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If your child takes private music lessons (vocal or instrumental) and participates in NYSSMA, they can file for an independent full (1) credit that gets added to their HS transcript.
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Lisa how shameful. I also love the way you reference your own website.
Hey, what about 40% of both US News and Newsweek's top 20 schools are IB? I use to think IB was the future, well apparently the future is now.
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Giving a new person to town the true inside skinny on how LVHS operates and providing helpful tips is shameful? Why is that, Jack? Don't you swear on the Constitution to uphold LVCSD NEOLA policies?
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And please, do point to ANYTHING in the above replies to New to Town which you can prove are false statements. I stand by every point I make unless, as I said, the BoE has amended its class size policy since 2007.
Nobody CARES about your 2009-2010 data, Jack. Now go take your Newsday headline and a copy of USNWP and have a wild time with them ..... take care of that thrill you're getting up your leg. Your legs must be tired from all of the "rain dancing" you did Monday night to keep the seniors away.
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No, what is disappointing and shameful is abandoning your policy of posting under your name and not telling us.
In one sitting you added six names including, " New to Town" Pathetic. Thanks again for turning the budget vote into a landslide.
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Bwahahaha! Do you even read what you write and understand how stupid you appear?
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. Why should I be the ONLY person posting under their real name? I'm a TEAM player, Jack, I must assimilate with the anonymous Borg.
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Stop already! The budget passed and it's done. Most people are not going to post their real name EVER. That's the beauty and curse of the internet. Post your name or don't, it is easy to figure out who is who very quickly; that is if you pay attention to style. Lisa, you've NEVER been a TEAM player- as long as I've known you.
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I'm on Team Freedom, Jack, not Team Tyranny like you. I've always been for the kids, ALL of the kids, the gifted, the average, those with special needs and the taxpayers, NOT the teacher's union, fat cat administrators and wasteful spending.
Through my website, I'm offering LVCSD seniors a crack at a $500 Scholarship:
http://truthaboutib.com/2012scholarship.html
I hope you're offering them something better than the depressing graduation speech my child had to endure.
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The Bayville margin of victory is over 300 votes. Lisa, I think the voters didn't like what you said about their children.
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And I think the district is guilty of electioneering. While only a misdemeanor, it's a shame the district clerk didn't have LVCSD's attorney respond. Maybe if I'm bored I'll take it to a higher level.
http://truthaboutib.com/images/831_100_2092.jpg
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Jack not sure why you say Lisa is not a team player. Seems she is the only one looking out for kids and is the most knowledgable. I don't see how her fight against the facade of IB benefits her.
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You can call me Jack or Anna or whatever makes you happy, but I have lived in the village a long time and all my children attended the schools. You are either an outsider or totally unaware of what has happened in this village. I have seen Lisa with her nasty words and actions cause PC members and administrators cry.
Lisa "is the only one looking out for the kids" are you kidding me? Lisa has degraded our children time after time. Her own quote on this blog is representative of what she has said and what she thinks of our children. Nothing else need be or will be said.
Lisa said:
"LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?"
Sorry Lisa half our children are not drunk and illiterate. They are just not as gifted as your children. We do our best and it is too bad your daughter had to be contaminated by the presence of average struggling students, like my son.
Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control.
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Awwwww! I made a PC member and a teacher cry ...... wah, wah, wah! You must have been at that Curriculum Committee meeting where I patiently sat for 2.5 hours to address IB while the Chair kept pushing it further, and further down the agenda until it was 11:40 when I finally got to speak, only to be lectured by Miss Prissy Pearls that perhaps more people would listen to me if I had a better "tone". Well perhaps if you arrogant, obnoxious, holier-than-thou Stepford wives would have given me the courtesy of addressing an agenda item as it was listed, I might not end up with a frustrated, disgusted tone after 2.5 hours of your bullsh!t.
As to the unstable 6th Grade teacher who I made cry, well that's a funny story that is way too long to tell here. Did I make Richard Shear cry? Oh gee, I hope so .... LOL!
We've got elementary kids smoking. MS boys are getting BJ's out back of the school. You can live in denial that a large number of students are drunk or stoned in school. Not my problem. I served as one of the 3 Directors of CCSAP, a 501(c)3 which was designed as a community organization to work with LVCSD to reduce substance abuse in our area. Once IB hit the district, LVCSD cut all participation in the org.
You are a bunch of close-minded, holier than thou, brown-nosing ninnies and your apples don't fall far from the tree. My son will be thrilled to know that he is remembered as a gifted student by the Borg. Unfortunately, he didn't meet Bayville's criteria for Omega, but we did have Revolving Door back then, which unfortunately was abolished.
You think wearing your Ferragamo loafers and pearls make what you have to say more credible than what I have to say. The denigration of Bayville parents and students by the LV snob-fest has gone on forever. I remember hearing one former LVPC President comment, "Oh you can always tell which kids come from Bayville (sneer) by the way they dress."
Elitist snobs who think a 10 syllable label makes them intellectually relevant. Pathetic.
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I have been in Bayville since the 60's and funny how I have never met anyone named "Anonymous". Maybe you are the outsider or a LVHS teacher. I remember when this town was a gem and people loved it here. They kept their property's nice and business could afford to survive selling candy and newspapers. Now the school taxes have choked out the business sector and people have no money to keep their property up. Save your lecture for someone else. I have seen what this school district has done to Bayville. Bayville would be better off spliting LVHS district and getting back to the values that made this community great.
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Dear Everyone,
I am 4 year resident of Bayville with a two year old and one on the way. My presence on this blog is to see what people think and attempt to participate in a meaningful dialogue about a school district that I know very little about. I am curious about LVCSD and are certain that many things are positive as well as negative with respect to the entire district. I am a high school teacher at a very good high school in Nassau County that does not have IB. Therefore I asked the question to attempt to understand how the selection process works. I thank all of you for the considerable amount of responses. All are appreciated. Enjoy the weekend all.
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What subject do you teach? Enjoy your weekend!
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Welcome to Bayville, New to Town. Enjoy your babies, those years fly by way too fast. I would recommend keeping an eye on LVCSD to make sure that it doesn't take steps to implement the IB PYP and MYP. There is no opt out for the IB PYP. IBO mandates that the program(me) be implemented schoolwide. Please read the following letter I received last week from an IB PYP teacher who has taught on two continents:
http://truthaboutib.com/intnlibteachersspeak.html
In terms of a pre-school, I highly recommend Wesley Pre-School in East Norwich. Both of my children had a wonderful experience there.
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My children had great experiences at Wesley as well as St. John's Play Group. Every child is different so you need to look at the child and the school.
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Anna/Jack, the SAT scores prove once again we are getting ripped off by you two con artists: Nationally we rank 800 out of 1000 and locally we are just as bad. How come these scores are never discussed at the BOE meetings? No one please respond, this question is directed at the Dynamic Duds!
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Dear Fire Anna and Jack,
I waited to see if Jack would have the guts to reply, but of course he doesn't, nor does he care because the morons of LVCSD approved his gluttonous budget. But perhaps you would be interested in a little SAT history, here in LVCSD.
My son graduated in 2001. Back then, the HS profile (the glossy folder the school sends to a college providing an overview of the HS with your child's college application and transcript) used to list the "mean" SAT scores for the entire graduating class, AND the mean SAT scores for the top 10% of the graduating class. The HS profile also listed the number of AP Scholars (which always averaged around 35).
Then in 2004, along came IB. I remeber it like it was yesterday, October 19th, when we were warned that "no political" questions could be asked of Mr. Robin Collitri, IB Consultant from SouthSide HS. Mr. Collitri was asked, "Is there any evidence of SAT scores increasing in IB schools?"
Mr. Collitri responded, "Oh, that is a political question. The demographics are different so it's not fair to look at SAT scores."
The HS profile changed to reflect IB. The mean SAT score stat disappeared. Actually, the profile was a disgrace and I recall desperately trying to get the Curriculum Committee to do something about it before my daughter graduated in 2007. Let's just say, cooperation was NOT the word of the day.
I have no idea what LVHS's Profile folder looks like in 2012, but I highly recommend that parents of rising seniors stop by the Guidance Dept. and request a copy. Scan it and send it to me. I'd be interested to see what kind of BS is on there now. This is what the admissions officer is going to look at first when your child's app hits their desk.
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Keep in mind, Jodre was let go. The new HS Asst. Principal would be the one who presumably would have picked up the responsibility of overseeing the HS Profile. Not saying this to cause trouble, just looking out for the kids. With the change of administrative positions, this responsibility might have gotten ...... overlooked? Maybe it could use some "tweaking"?
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LVHS SENIORS!!!!
Surely there must be ONE LVHS senior who could use $500 towards college!
Attention all high school seniors who attend an International Baccalaureate High School! (Candidate IB High Schools also qualify, ie: Ozark HS, MO, Sag Harbor HS, NY, etc.)
Whether you are an IB student or a non-IB student, TAIB recognizes that the "culture" of IB permeates an entire school. This year, we are looking for the best essay that answers the question:
"WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND A GLOBAL CITIZEN?"
Rules
1. Essay must be a minimum of 1,000 words. No maximum.
2. Deadline is June 30th, 2012
3. Entries should be in .pdf format and sent as an attachment to an e-mail to: info@truthaboutib.com . Please write "Scholarship" in the subject line
4. Entries will be posted to this page and will be voted on by TAIB readers until July 15th. Public opinion will count for 60% of the final decision. The other 40% will be the opinion of TAIB administrators.
5. Be sure to include the name of your school and location so TAIB can verify that it is an IB school.
6. Submission of an entry grants TAIB permission to publish.
7. TAIB will deposit $500 in the winner's student account at the university they will be attending in the fall, on August 1, 2012.
8. Although this scholarship is primarily established for HS seniors, TAIB will accept entries from college students entering their sophomore year who graduated from an IB high school.
The winning essay will clearly define the qualities, rights and responsibilities of American vs. global citizenship. Proper grammar, spelling, factual support and overall composition, not the opinion expressed, will play a major role in determining the winner.
Good luck!
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I am so grateful that The Leader ran my letter. But I am still too much of a turd to sign my real name.
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That looks like a letter that Anna or the teachers union wrote. It is not from anyone who lives this community.
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Jack, why the double standard? You never post your real name when you blog here. Does the actual name change the content of the article or post? On a serious note, is the removal of Anna just a rumor or she is being fired?
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Jack, why the double standard? You and Anna never post your real names when you blog here. Does the actual name change the content of the article or post?
On a different note, is the removal of Anna just a rumor or she is being fired?
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Some of us don't get "The Leader". Can you tell us what the article is about?
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http://theleaderonline.com/2012/May%2023/page4.html
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http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/05/24/school-stops-teaching-basic-facts-goes-internationalist/
http://truthaboutib.com/breakingibnewsviews.html
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http://networkedblogs.com/y8Ieq?a=share
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